| 00:02.39 | Gnarfoz | <kd3> try living in an area with a pathetic grid <-- like, the US? :D |
| 00:02.52 | kd3 | yup |
| 00:03.18 | Gnarfoz | one day, they'll modernize it |
| 00:03.20 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure |
| 00:04.10 | WrathTECH | I call BS! Can't even get DSL or Cable here in the US where we live, even when it's avaliable on the other side of the road. |
| 00:06.36 | Gnarfoz | or join Elon's dream of solar+batteries! he sells both of those now ^^ |
| 00:07.43 | WrathTECH | You sayin I live in a remote location? >.> |
| 00:07.44 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 00:07.59 | Gnarfoz | not sure I said that, no |
| 00:08.12 | WrathTECH | Haha, just pullin your leg. :) |
| 00:13.54 | WrathTECH | Okay I took out the move frame code, and my button wont return to where it should be. -_- |
| 00:16.32 | WrathTECH | Later, gonna get rid of AdiIRC, go in back to HexChat. It keeps forgetting my UI Settings |
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| 01:06.10 | znf | geez, that's a lot of checkins in a week http://i.imgur.com/fVqEzqY.png |
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| 01:41.37 | Arrowmaster | that was a silly HS match, vs rejuv shaman playing shreaders sludges and rivendare, i played a rivendare + sneeds and sludge belcher |
| 01:43.24 | znf | freakin' facebook and US favoritism |
| 01:43.39 | znf | Oh, you want to change your page's name? well, unless you visit the website with an US IP address... |
| 01:45.12 | znf | oh, that's cool |
| 01:45.17 | znf | it took 5 minutes for them to approve the change |
| 01:47.13 | znf | in other news, FB showed me an ad for some interesting looking shoes |
| 01:47.20 | znf | except they're $740/pair shoes, fuck that |
| 01:47.24 | Torhal | ~slap znf |
| 01:47.24 | purl | ACTION slaps znf, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 01:47.53 | znf | slaps Torhal with a pair of $740 shoes |
| 01:56.00 | kd3 | hm. something on the lan is spamming icmp6 data |
| 01:59.13 | kullervo | who the hell spends $740 on shoes, they probably won't last over five years anyway |
| 02:01.39 | Dagmar | For $740 they better be able to levitate |
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| 02:02.33 | kullervo | (and yes my line implied my shoe budget per year is >$100) |
| 02:02.51 | Iriel | Can you buy a decent pair of shoes for less than $100 these days? |
| 02:03.00 | Dagmar | YEah |
| 02:03.15 | kullervo | yes, if the cashier's gay and you're cute enough |
| 02:03.25 | kullervo | â(´ã¼ï½)â |
| 02:03.36 | Dagmar | Since I've been burning up shoes playing Ingress (go figure) I'm still buying the latest model number of New Balance sneakers for much less than that |
| 02:03.50 | Iriel | Hm, I guess I should say âwork appropriateâ shoes |
| 02:04.25 | kullervo | still not very descriptive |
| 02:04.41 | kullervo | http://threepanelsoul.com/comics/2015-04-27-368.png |
| 02:04.41 | Amarande | yeah $740 shoes had better include the jetpack we were supposed to have by now |
| 02:04.45 | Dagmar | Well I think if I showed up in pumps there would be some questions. |
| 02:05.16 | kd3 | looks at his black sneakers |
| 02:05.19 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:05.50 | Dagmar | Yeah, in some places (like SF) they'll look at you funny if you try wearing hard-soled dress shoes |
| 02:05.57 | kullervo | I have very nice black sneakers... And don't work in IT |
| 02:06.06 | Dagmar | They make a clear statement of "I can't even walk to lunch" |
| 02:06.34 | kullervo | used to wear some shoes that could be worn with a suit yet had soles suitable for running |
| 02:06.50 | kullervo | but damn, they'd wear out so fast |
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| 02:07.38 | Dagmar | Yeah. I tried a pair of shoes like that once. Sort of heavy sponge on the bottom |
| 02:07.48 | Dagmar | Comfy, but they practically evaporate |
| 02:08.28 | Dagmar | I just stick with all-black leather cross-trainers now |
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| 02:33.39 | Arrowmaster | i have black leather redwing boots and work in IT.... |
| 02:41.54 | Semlar | i've had a pair of magnum boots for the last ten years that they don't appear to make any more |
| 02:42.16 | Fisker | You guys have shoes? |
| 02:42.23 | Semlar | shoes |
| 02:42.37 | kd3 | we can't very well hoverboard around the server room |
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| 02:47.06 | Dagmar | Semlar: That's part of the reason I go for New Balance. They just seem to iteratively improve the model each year and add 1-2 to the model number. At this point the soles are oliophobic, so I can pretty much walk on ice without a problem |
| 02:47.21 | Dagmar | ...not like there's every likely to not be a market for all-black sneakers |
| 02:53.13 | Fisker | I bought black sneakers the other day |
| 02:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | whoa |
| 02:54.20 | Mr_Rabies | i got shoes too fisker we should be pals |
| 02:54.29 | Mr_Rabies | whao i didn't think anyone else had em |
| 02:55.00 | Fisker | Me neither |
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| 03:22.47 | jleclanche | Dagmar: game of thrones aired while watching that episode |
| 03:22.52 | jleclanche | Dagmar: today is a good day |
| 03:27.09 | znf | man, I hate servers without SSD |
| 03:27.37 | znf | takes like 3 mintues to convert a sql table to innodb :-/ |
| 03:29.16 | znf | and that operation pretty much kills the sql server O.o |
| 03:30.42 | jleclanche | znf: good occasion to move to postgres? :p |
| 03:30.51 | znf | I'm not a masochist |
| 03:31.08 | jleclanche | yet you use mysql! |
| 03:31.21 | znf | mysql works everywhere |
| 03:31.26 | znf | postgres... meh |
| 03:31.34 | jleclanche | mysql *is* everywhere. whether it works is another story :) |
| 03:32.07 | znf | whcih is a good thing that it is everywhere |
| 03:32.25 | znf | doing anything else other than mysql with php is masochism |
| 03:32.31 | jleclanche | oh php |
| 03:32.34 | jleclanche | fair enough |
| 03:34.32 | znf | but, the lack of ssd is the bitch here :P |
| 03:34.40 | znf | that and raid 1 |
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| 03:38.52 | Iriel | Isntâ the conversion to innodb something you do once? |
| 03:39.36 | znf | Yes |
| 03:39.39 | znf | that's what I'm doing |
| 03:39.41 | znf | for the last 30 minutes... |
| 03:41.40 | znf | I should *really* set up separate permissions for all these domain names |
| 03:41.53 | znf | but I'm lazy to configure php for that :-/ |
| 03:46.05 | Gnarfoz | you realize "converting" a table means a full copy + rebuilding all indexes? |
| 03:46.20 | znf | Yes |
| 03:46.23 | Gnarfoz | 3 minutes seems reasonable depending on size ^^ |
| 03:46.47 | znf | this table has been going for 10 now, I think |
| 03:46.48 | Fisker | Maybe it was empty |
| 03:46.58 | znf | 5:26 actually |
| 03:47.03 | znf | no, wait |
| 03:47.14 | znf | since 05:26, so that's 21 minutes |
| 03:47.55 | Gnarfoz | and you're doing that on a live system that has 1 pair of disks? |
| 03:47.57 | karl_w_w | a button has appeared saying get windows 10 |
| 03:48.02 | znf | Gnarfoz, ofc! |
| 03:48.08 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure what you expected, then, really ;p |
| 03:48.41 | Gnarfoz | I expect to be very tired when I have to get up in 3 hours, that's all I know |
| 03:48.58 | znf | it's also using fulltext indexing |
| 03:48.59 | znf | so... |
| 03:50.37 | znf | and it's almost 7am, and I think I should stop this |
| 03:51.27 | znf | oh, ofc, the query keeps going on, even if I stopped the script, doh |
| 04:00.05 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/ktGpIYR.png |
| 04:00.15 | znf | oh my fuckin' !@#@! get over with it |
| 04:02.12 | Shirik | oh god |
| 04:02.14 | Shirik | converting to innodb? |
| 04:02.22 | Shirik | that sounds like something miserable |
| 04:02.40 | Shirik | I'm actually surprised you can do that on a live server |
| 04:02.45 | znf | beats MyISAM |
| 04:02.49 | Shirik | that's not really what I mean |
| 04:02.56 | Shirik | just that you are basically rewriting the database |
| 04:03.03 | znf | pretty much |
| 04:07.48 | znf | At this point I'm not sure if I should kill the process |
| 04:09.02 | znf | oh, it's done |
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| 04:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, what should i replace my alchemy lab with in my garrison, hmm |
| 04:22.39 | Mr_Rabies | i replaced my engie building with it a while back, but i have so many alchemical catalysts i don't even need it anymore |
| 04:22.40 | Semlar | a meth lab |
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| 05:43.26 | Torhal | Don't fuck with Neffi's meth lab, Semlar. He gets mad. |
| 05:43.54 | Semlar | s'all good, man |
| 05:44.32 | Torhal | No, Semlar. I am not Saul Goodman. |
| 05:45.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:48.33 | Torhal | !!! |
| 05:48.51 | Semlar | >_> |
| 05:49.55 | WrathTECH | o.O I just got a notice to reserve my free upgrade to Windows 10 |
| 05:50.38 | WrathTECH | Sweet. Even if it's only free for a year, I'll take the performance improvements now they have the start menu back ^-^ |
| 05:53.48 | WrathTECH | Also, finally got my username registered... kept on forgetting to do that. |
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| 06:27.13 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn http://imgur.com/gallery/6GuZIHD |
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| 08:21.22 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIvtuLOJTtY |
| 08:21.24 | mikma | ouch man |
| 08:21.48 | tz | yeah that didn't look at all fun |
| 08:28.36 | WrathTECH | So apparently, you don't need to use SavedVariables for moving frames. frame:SetUserPlaced(enabled) |
| 08:30.06 | Semlar | i said that when you brought it up earlier |
| 08:30.41 | WrathTECH | I must have missed you said that Semlar, been pretty fatigued all day. |
| 08:31.13 | bluspacecow | prehaps mikma needs coffee |
| 08:31.15 | bluspacecow | with TNT |
| 08:31.17 | WrathTECH | Pretty damn close to going to a hospital for help. |
| 08:31.19 | bluspacecow | coffee with TNT in it |
| 08:31.27 | bluspacecow | or Wrath |
| 08:31.34 | bluspacecow | or maybe blu needs the coffee |
| 08:31.44 | WrathTECH | -_- 10 cups of cappucino sure didn't do anything. |
| 08:31.51 | WrathTECH | TNT might tho |
| 08:31.58 | tz | hmmm, monks were supposed to have dark chi? |
| 08:32.02 | tz | interesting |
| 08:32.51 | WrathTECH | tz: dark chi? Isn't Chi a neutral resource, just energy in lore? (Not D3 specifiic.. irl) |
| 08:33.12 | WrathTECH | Can be used for light and dark. |
| 08:33.13 | tz | it is, but I'm looking at the interface files and there's images for both light and dark |
| 08:33.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.23 | WrathTECH | Huh. Interesting. |
| 08:33.48 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I completely missed it Semlar, terribly sorry. |
| 08:34.53 | WrathTECH | tz: What program are you using to extract the D3 game files?? |
| 08:35.24 | tz | wow, not d3, and wow-64.exe |
| 08:35.41 | tz | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code |
| 08:36.39 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I have done that before, extracing the files with the actual game client. |
| 08:36.56 | bluspacecow | lol http://www.kungfury.com |
| 08:41.26 | mikma | bluspacecow: just cooking up a batch |
| 08:41.36 | bluspacecow | om nom nom nom |
| 08:50.23 | WrathTECH | Omg my memory isn't working tonight. How the heck do you add the Alt key modifier again to: hotSpot:SetScript("OnMouseDown", function(self, button) |
| 08:50.23 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.01 | WrathTECH | I should just quit and go to bed early. |
| 08:51.13 | Maldivia | and IsAltKeyDown() |
| 08:56.27 | Semlar | i feel like i'm scrolled up |
| 08:57.47 | nevcairiel | scrolls Semlar down |
| 08:57.55 | Semlar | thanks |
| 08:58.18 | bluspacecow | *scrolls Semlar sideways like willy wonka* |
| 08:58.25 | Semlar | NO BAD SPACECOW |
| 08:59.51 | bluspacecow | get down and get groovy like willy wonka! |
| 09:00.45 | Semlar | how high are you right now |
| 09:06.30 | bluspacecow | RADDISH! |
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| 09:41.36 | Gnarfoz | tz: yes, early on: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/24/blizzcon-2011-early-monk-abilities-and-the-dark-side-of-the-for/ |
| 09:46.47 | tz | interesting |
| 09:47.53 | Semlar | shadow monk |
| 09:59.23 | WrathTECH | point, relativeTo, relativePoint, xOfs, yOfs = hotSpot:GetPoint() xOfs and yOfs are returning 0 no matter where the frame is on the screen. printing to screen via *hotSpotX = xofs* and *print(hotSpotX)* |
| 09:59.47 | WrathTECH | The code is at the end of the file, definitely after the frame would be created |
| 10:02.39 | Semlar | doesn't mean it's after its anchors have been set |
| 10:04.37 | Semlar | GetPoint is rarely used, what are you trying to do with it |
| 10:05.23 | WrathTECH | I attempted your SetUserPlaced but disabling the addon and having the location reset is too annoying. |
| 10:05.39 | WrathTECH | Just trying to get the frame position to save it's location to be called later |
| 10:06.58 | Semlar | and you don't want to use libwindow? |
| 10:07.42 | WrathTECH | I could, will have to research how to incorporate a library. |
| 10:09.37 | nebula169 | eh, something weird is probably happening, i use :GetPoint(1) to save position in lots of things |
| 10:10.52 | Semlar | well he has a user placed frame and he said he was calling that when the file loaded and the frame is likely being positioned from the saved variables after that |
| 10:11.02 | nebula169 | also, for SetUserPlaced to work, the frame needs to have a name (it's pretty much used by default when you move the frame anyway) |
| 10:12.26 | Semlar | he should be checking the point after the frame has been moved |
| 10:12.35 | nebula169 | yes |
| 10:12.51 | Semlar | but that's not what he described |
| 10:13.53 | WrathTECH | The frame does have a name, it seems to work, until you disable the addon. |
| 10:14.11 | WrathTECH | Sorry, was running a quick rift.. needed a quick break |
| 10:14.36 | WrathTECH | so put that code into the script right after it stopsmoving? |
| 10:15.05 | Semlar | well, presumably you have OnDragStop or OnMouseUp |
| 10:15.21 | WrathTECH | Yes, I have OnDragStop |
| 10:15.22 | Semlar | where you stop the frame's movement |
| 10:15.31 | Semlar | that would be where you save the frame's position |
| 10:16.10 | nebula169 | and yes, if the game loads and can't find the frame it removes it from cache |
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| 10:20.07 | WrathTECH_ | Ahh yes, Semlar. I moved that code into *hotSpot:SetScript("OnDragStop", function() hotSpot:StopMovingOrSizing() end)* |
| 10:20.20 | WrathTECH_ | It works now. |
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| 10:20.49 | Semlar | good |
| 10:21.53 | WrathTECH_ | Whelp. I'm off to bed, feel like i've been drinking all night and ready to pass out in an odd position cause I don't know what I am doing. |
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| 12:08.37 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:08.42 | Fisker | For free |
| 12:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Free Monday, Fisker! |
| 12:09.01 | Fisker | Thanks |
| 12:09.22 | Fisker | Hopefully happy not free Monday Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:45.37 | karl_w_w | you work for free on mondays, Lopeppeppy? |
| 12:45.50 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
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| 13:20.45 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: in service to the Queen, of course |
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| 14:42.46 | Gnarfoz | znf: did you ever fix that proxy_cache problem of yours? |
| 14:43.03 | Gnarfoz | znf: if not, do you have the pastebin URI handy |
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| 15:03.31 | fewyn | anyone in here play with rasberry pis? i have a couple now and i vaguely remember a website which had pre-setup images and such for various things does anyone remember the website? |
| 15:04.43 | Fisker | the official website |
| 15:04.46 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 15:05.00 | Fisker | https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ |
| 15:05.04 | fewyn | i thought i remembered another site |
| 15:05.10 | Fisker | Maybe you did |
| 15:05.12 | Fisker | Maybe you didn't |
| 15:05.17 | Fisker | Maybe Lopeppeppy is awesome |
| 15:05.22 | Fisker | Just kidding that's not a maybe |
| 15:05.41 | Fisker | Don't tell anybody I said that though |
| 15:05.43 | fewyn | it's been awhile since i looked at raspi stuff and i wasn't expecting |
| 15:05.48 | fewyn | to get one or even two |
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| 15:12.06 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: kd3, Arrowmaster I think |
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| 16:45.13 | znf | Gnarfoz, he did. It was a time-zone issue. |
| 16:51.46 | Gnarfoz | znf: oO |
| 16:52.02 | znf | the server it was proxying had a different time-zone setting |
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| 16:57.27 | Gnarfoz | so all timestamps were in the past? |
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| 17:07.12 | Unkle | station! |
| 17:07.49 | Fisker | Train |
| 17:10.56 | zenzelezz | oh my, I can reserve my free Windows 10 upgrade now |
| 17:11.07 | Gnarfoz | you and everyon else! :D |
| 17:11.21 | zenzelezz | that's where my "oh my" came from |
| 17:11.43 | zenzelezz | I suppose I could've added a smiley or </sarcasm> :) |
| 17:11.54 | Gnarfoz | I understood ;) |
| 17:12.11 | zenzelezz | I must say I'm cautiously optimistic about 10 |
| 17:13.15 | Gnarfoz | since 8.1 is great, if they want to keep up with the "good bad good bad" pattern, 10 should suck |
| 17:13.25 | Gnarfoz | but I hear it's ok, so they might just break the pattern ;p |
| 17:13.47 | zenzelezz | I didn't care for 8.1 (though it was far better than 8), but we'll see soon enough |
| 17:13.58 | zenzelezz | not letting go of my Win7 OEM DVD :-p |
| 17:14.29 | Unkle | Maybe, since they're offering their 'free upgrade' path they'll spike down XP use in consumer machines. |
| 17:14.44 | Gnarfoz | that's pretty low already outside of China, anyway |
| 17:14.54 | nevcairiel | Do XP users even get that free upgrade? I thought not |
| 17:15.03 | Torhal | Just 7 and 8.1 users. |
| 17:15.16 | nevcairiel | thats what I thought |
| 17:15.30 | nevcairiel | Got a call from my father this morning about some weird upgrade popup though =P |
| 17:15.31 | zenzelezz | I hope they've changed the stupid attitude Win8 had about hardware upgrades. "Dude, bro, your hardware is different! You better call our automated activation phone and go through 300 steps to revalidate!" |
| 17:15.37 | zenzelezz | I had changed graphics card |
| 17:15.41 | Unkle | Looks like 7 and up. My bad. |
| 17:15.43 | Gnarfoz | that's not win8 related at all |
| 17:15.53 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: Win7 never did that |
| 17:16.02 | Gnarfoz | sure it did if you changed enough hardware |
| 17:16.07 | zenzelezz | never for me |
| 17:16.11 | Gnarfoz | maybe you changed enough over time that the GPU was the last drop necessary |
| 17:16.17 | zenzelezz | perhaps it was the OEM version that didn't care |
| 17:16.25 | nevcairiel | all versions care |
| 17:16.32 | zenzelezz | for 8 I *only* changed the graphics card |
| 17:16.34 | Gnarfoz | OEM versions are pre-activated via BIOS, but even they get fed up after a while ^^ |
| 17:16.38 | nevcairiel | but as Gnarfoz said, it requires a certain number of hardware changes |
| 17:16.44 | Gnarfoz | same/upgraded installation? |
| 17:17.06 | Gnarfoz | the north remembers! |
| 17:17.07 | zenzelezz | I always do (did? guess it depends how 10 installs) clean installs |
| 17:17.10 | Gnarfoz | errr... Windows might |
| 17:17.18 | nevcairiel | usually replacing a mainboard will do it right there |
| 17:17.23 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: Winter is coming. So is the Long Night. |
| 17:17.24 | nevcairiel | not that their phone thing is that bad |
| 17:17.37 | Gnarfoz | 300 steps is a big exaggeration, yeah. |
| 17:17.46 | zenzelezz | no kidding :-p |
| 17:17.57 | Torhal | YUGE exaggeration. |
| 17:17.58 | zenzelezz | it worked just fine, not complaining about that; it just felt excessive to me |
| 17:18.14 | Gnarfoz | it's "please put in these 30 digits" "wait 20 seconds" "here's your 30 digit code, have a nice day" ^^ |
| 17:18.40 | Fisker | Every other activation triggers oot |
| 17:18.44 | Fisker | Fact |
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| 17:19.10 | Gnarfoz | my Windows doesn't know how to count, then |
| 17:19.10 | Fisker | And it's not version specific |
| 17:19.47 | Fisker | Every other activation where it feels the old one is no longer valid then |
| 17:19.51 | zenzelezz | I must've somehow just been lucky before 8 |
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| 18:09.05 | karl_w_w | possibility of HL3 announcement increases: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/383o6d/source_2_is_happening/ |
| 18:10.05 | Mihau | If Half-Life really is the vehicle for new technology announcements, then hopefully! |
| 18:15.23 | fewyn | hl3 is never going to happen |
| 18:15.32 | fewyn | there's just so much hype for it |
| 18:15.38 | fewyn | that it'd never live up to expectations |
| 18:16.00 | fewyn | so why even try |
| 18:19.28 | g0urra | see: DNF |
| 18:21.40 | Mihau | There is so much hype because they made promises and never delivered. |
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| 18:58.52 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/wpdev/status/605447227717382144 |
| 18:58.54 | fewyn | windows 10 |
| 18:58.56 | fewyn | july 29th |
| 18:59.27 | Ressy | Thats been posted for hours now :P |
| 19:00.09 | fewyn | :( |
| 19:00.18 | fewyn | first i saw of it |
| 19:00.24 | Torhal | fewyn: I think she just want all uppity and "old"ed you. |
| 19:00.31 | Torhal | s/want/went/ |
| 19:00.35 | foxlit | there's still time to make it Windows 11. |
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| 19:48.48 | Fisker | hugtackles Cairenn |
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| 19:58.25 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 19:58.29 | Cairenn | How's your leg? |
| 20:00.55 | Fisker | Slightly better |
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| 20:36.04 | WrathTECH | Do you hate waking up caught you got a really good idea for your addon? --- |
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| 20:40.33 | Icicle | WrathTECH: once woke up from a nightmare that I wasnt doing enough work for my day job. Consequently had a great idea to solve a problem I had... never hate waking up for that :D |
| 20:40.56 | WrathTECH | Rofl! I suppose so. xD |
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| 20:41.42 | Icicle | related note: I am starting to hate PHP :( |
| 20:43.11 | WrathTECH | Eww. I never got around to leanring it, I have heard it's really picky and irritating. |
| 20:43.21 | Mihau | Icicle: Let the hate flow into you. It will make you a better PHP developer. |
| 20:43.40 | Mihau | WrathTECH: Picky, nope. |
| 20:44.15 | WrathTECH | Can't one use SetVertexColor for a button template? |
| 20:44.19 | Icicle | Mihau: WrathTECH but... but... javascript w/Node can do it all now |
| 20:44.33 | Mihau | PHP is so loosely typed that "100sdfsdf23#@$%$%$#" == 100 is tue. |
| 20:44.55 | Mihau | Node does not make Javascript good. |
| 20:45.02 | WrathTECH | Mihau: Soud fun enough. :p |
| 20:45.23 | Unkle | PHP is like herpes - once you get it, you have it forever and all you can do is treat the symptoms. |
| 20:45.48 | Icicle | Node just gives me server side calls is all. |
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| 21:11.10 | WrathTECH | CharacterMicroButton:GetWidth() + SpellBookMicroButton:GetWidth() should theoretically work, no? Tring to get the width of the micro menu, since it doesnt have a frame of its own and the buttons are just place the the Main\MenuBar |
| 21:12.08 | nevcairiel | it probably has some padding, too |
| 21:12.48 | WrathTECH | Yeah, |
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| 21:58.40 | foxlit | it bugs me that /setflag foo /cast [flag:foo] Moonfire wouldn't provide correct feedback, but fixing that is such a can of nastiness :( |
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| 22:25.21 | Amarande | WrathTECH, you might want to look at how Bartender does it, since it lets you manage the micro menu |
| 22:25.33 | Amarande | and somehow knows how wide it is, since it has the green placement bar for it when you're moving bars |
| 22:27.05 | WrathTECH | of course, and I use Dominoes lol |
| 22:27.47 | WrathTECH | In dominoes, the green placement bar doesn't actually mean it's the actual width. Hidding or adding buttons, the bar stays the same. |
| 22:28.05 | WrathTECH | Back in a few, need to restart |
| 22:31.43 | Amarande | hmm, this is interesting. reading some more of the flying furore forum fur-flying ... and someone kind of makes the claim that gamers make bad game devs |
| 22:31.49 | Amarande | is that really a truism nowadays? :| |
| 22:32.07 | Amarande | I always thought gamers made the best game devs, because they inherently themselves have the love of the game and know what's fun |
| 22:32.30 | Amarande | as opposed to bean-pushers who often have never seen a video game in their lives unless they're buying it at Wal-Mart for the kids :P |
| 22:32.54 | Amarande | (or worse, hotshots like Activision's head honcho who actually *pride* themselves on being non gamers ... LOL) |
| 22:33.01 | Mr_Rabies | turns out people that like art tend to be better artists than people that hate art but love money |
| 22:33.29 | Mr_Rabies | who was claiming this? someone on NeoGAF? because that place is beyond a cesspool nowadays |
| 22:33.56 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: it was a post on one of the early pages of the fourth flying forum thread |
| 22:34.03 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
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| 22:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | the blizzard forums are only slightly better than neogaf |
| 22:34.54 | Amarande | the one talking about "business<->customer" vs "Dungeon Master<->player" paradigms |
| 22:35.12 | Amarande | I'm not sure I've ever visited NeoGAF, except maybe in passing from a link from some other games news site sometime |
| 22:35.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's a good business decision to bring flying back, and the fact that they're not doing it makes me respect them more, honestly |
| 22:35.38 | Mr_Rabies | they're making the game they want to make |
| 22:35.49 | Amarande | actually, that's part of what's being debated |
| 22:36.04 | Amarande | whether the devs really wanted to remove flying or whether they were pushed to it by management and told to make it look like this is what they wanted |
| 22:36.23 | Amarande | a number of people seem to have claimed Bashiok's responses sound 'forced' |
| 22:36.28 | Mr_Rabies | they absolutely did intentionally |
| 22:36.36 | Mr_Rabies | on their own accord |
| 22:36.44 | Amarande | as if he doesn't really want to give the responses he's giving, but he's being prodded to it by a higher authority |
| 22:37.20 | Amarande | it's hard to see how a permanent removal of flying really advantages the game |
| 22:37.33 | Amarande | unless the devs have decided that having each expansion basically replace the earlier game rather than add to it is the way to go :( |
| 22:37.44 | Mr_Rabies | draenor rewards exploration in ways that would be totally trivialized by flight, it's not just some weird artificial removal |
| 22:37.46 | Amarande | (in other words, they're really, as I once derided such practise as, "contraction packs") |
| 22:38.00 | Amarande | that explains Draenor, doesn't really explain the "or in the future either!" bit |
| 22:38.08 | Torhal | What I thought was amusing is that the CE comes with a flying mount. |
| 22:38.27 | Mr_Rabies | in the future they're gonna keep designing zones that reward exploration, and flight trivializes that |
| 22:39.08 | Mr_Rabies | draenor will likely have flight sometime after 6.2, possibly with 6.3/6.4/6.5 or 7.0 |
| 22:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | for alts, etc |
| 22:40.37 | Mr_Rabies | basically they have no plans on flight being available for relevant content for the forseeable future, and the fact they're sticking to their guns on it is pretty commendable |
| 22:42.21 | Amarande | Torhal: yes, that too, and the fact that they JUST put a new store mount on the market, and marketed it heavily on its ability to fly (with the only caveat being it wouldn't fly *in Draenor*, no mention of this "not in the future" thing) |
| 22:42.43 | Amarande | much is also being made of the fact that they announced this just a couple days after the buyer's remorse window closed for people who bought the runesaber at launch |
| 22:43.18 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: that's also kinda pissing off the community though, since it seems like part of the reason to remove flight is to enforce parkour puzzles |
| 22:43.35 | Mr_Rabies | it's pissing off a vocal subset of the community, yeah |
| 22:43.40 | Amarande | and a lot of people are considering parkour puzzles to be a horribly odious means of stretching out content by introducing tedious action-game mechanisms |
| 22:43.56 | Amarande | ... to which I rather agree, if I wanted to play Crash effing Bandicoot, I'd play Crash effing Bandicoot |
| 22:44.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad they're not just bowing down to them |
| 22:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad they're making the game they want to make instead of bowing to people whining on forums |
| 22:44.27 | Amarande | however, I suck at Crash Bandicoot, which is why I watch LP videos of it and do not try to play it myself anymore :D |
| 22:45.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm of the camp that would prefer flying never been added to wow |
| 22:45.50 | Amarande | yeah there are a fair number of folks that say that it would have been better if we'd never had flight in the first place |
| 22:45.57 | Amarande | whereas giving it to us and then pulling the rug out seems kind of half assed |
| 22:45.59 | Mr_Rabies | now that it exists, you can't really stuff it back in the can, but the world works better without flying |
| 22:46.37 | Amarande | (and I'm still wondering how it's going to impact the in-game economy when you consider each alt is now probably going to bring 8-10k gold to the table that would otherwise have gone back to Blizzard) |
| 22:46.46 | Mr_Rabies | if they could find a way to make flying interesting, compelling, have some actual gameplay, it'd be neat |
| 22:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | but as it stands it's basically noclip with collision turned on |
| 22:47.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's boring, it shrinks the world, it trivializes all of the open-world game design |
| 22:47.32 | Amarande | the real problem is probably that they never came up with proper mounted combat |
| 22:47.47 | foxlit | is there any good open-world game design in thegame? |
| 22:47.51 | Amarande | if we'd had that, it would be simple, just have more flying mobs to contend with, but since you can't fight at all while flying unless it's a specific vehicle quest ... |
| 22:48.07 | Mr_Rabies | they tried here and there with vehicles in WotLK, but it wasn't well-received, so they stopped bothering with it |
| 22:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | i personally loved them and wish they'd kept working on them |
| 22:48.34 | Mr_Rabies | there's tons, foxlit |
| 22:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | plenty of neat puzzles to solve, items to find, etc |
| 22:48.53 | Amarande | Vehicles are kind of a meeting-halfway thing though |
| 22:48.57 | foxlit | because the entirety of draenor's "exploration rewards" fall squarely into the category of "meh" |
| 22:49.03 | Amarande | what we really should have had eventually was real mounted fighting |
| 22:49.11 | Amarande | I'm not sure any game has really managed that though apart from LotRO |
| 22:49.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure it would have happened had work continued on vehicles |
| 22:49.32 | Mr_Rabies | but since the response was so negative, they just scrapped them, and that's a shame |
| 22:49.39 | Amarande | at least among the traditional MMO paradigm games, that is ... FFXIV has the ability to have your chocobo serve as a combat pet, but not while you're riding it |
| 22:50.05 | foxlit | as for shrinking the world, #nomounts2017. |
| 22:50.46 | Mr_Rabies | are you dropping hashtags in irc D: |
| 22:50.49 | Amarande | (and even they haven't got it quite right, in particular a chocobo counts as an additional party member, which in particular prevents you from using one while waiting in queue ... pity as dps queues are so long and melee DPS really benefit from the healer choco) |
| 22:51.27 | Primer | SOOOOOO! |
| 22:51.32 | foxlit | #its-a-channel |
| 22:51.32 | Primer | How about that GoT? |
| 22:52.24 | Primer | I think I'm going to cancel my WoW subscription...it's been active BC was released. I recall it was a January when I started, but I don't remember what year. |
| 22:52.37 | Amarande | 07? |
| 22:52.44 | Primer | Sounds about right |
| 22:52.44 | Amarande | or was it 06? |
| 22:53.03 | Primer | January 16, 2007 |
| 22:53.06 | Amarande | I know Wrath came out in December 08, but I'm fuzzy about BC, 2.2 was current when I joined |
| 22:53.12 | Primer | according to https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=when+was+burning+crusade+released |
| 22:53.31 | Amarande | yeah I'm not sure I'll be back now myself |
| 22:53.49 | Amarande | I may actually end up paring my MMOs of interest list down to just SW:TOR and FFXIV now |
| 22:53.55 | Primer | My raid died. We were on a low pop realm and just couldn't get 20 people for mythic |
| 22:54.24 | Primer | We pulled beastlord a few nights in mythinc, but that was about it |
| 22:54.37 | Amarande | I liked LOTRO, but it's developing vital failings lately and I might be 2 expansions behind by the time I get back which means $80-100 in expansion costs just to get back in the game |
| 22:54.50 | Amarande | and yeah, seems like it's time to wave farewell to Azeroth |
| 22:55.30 | Amarande | SW:TOR has actually been on a significant upswing lately, Shadow of Revan really infused new life into the game after the meh-fest that was Hutt Cartel |
| 22:55.33 | Mr_Rabies | that's a huge problem right now, everyone's migrating to the huge servers |
| 22:55.45 | Amarande | And FFXIV seems practically like the golden boy that can do no wrong, MMO-wise :) |
| 22:55.46 | Mr_Rabies | they need to get back to connecting servers asap |
| 22:55.46 | fewyn | http://store.steampowered.com/app/332310/ lego minecraftception |
| 22:55.53 | Primer | I don't want to pay the blizz extortion again |
| 22:56.13 | Primer | it's already bad enough that I transfered a total of 5 toons just to play with people I know |
| 22:56.38 | Amarande | (although I did get frustrated over certain things, most especially that my main class seemed to continually be being shat upon) |
| 22:57.03 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's blizzard's problem to fix, not yours, primer |
| 22:57.06 | Amarande | hell, even the other active BLM in my FC didn't feel very happy about how well the class was doing in endgame |
| 22:57.18 | Mr_Rabies | if you do cancel make sure you let them know they need to connect realms |
| 22:57.51 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure they know they need to, but there's something keeping that from happening |
| 22:58.00 | Mr_Rabies | could be the transfer revenue, but i doubt it |
| 22:58.13 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: it's odd though ... since you'd think transfers would be mitigated by the realm types |
| 22:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | they're losing more from dropped subs than they're making on transfer |
| 22:58.34 | Amarande | as in, you wouldn't think that many people would want to transfer from PvE to PvP realms, which the mega servers almost entirely are (except for Stormrage and Area 52, pretty much all the really big ones are PvP) |
| 22:58.50 | Mr_Rabies | there are some pretty huge normal realms...emerald dream i think? |
| 22:58.57 | Amarande | Emerald Dream is RPPvP |
| 22:59.03 | Primer | Stuck on crappy low pop server and refuse to pay the extortion fee again to transfer to a high pop server. |
| 22:59.07 | Primer | was the comment I left |
| 22:59.18 | Primer | when citing "other reason" as the reason for deactivating |
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| 22:59.33 | Amarande | I've also heard it talked that Blizzard is trying to wind down the focus on WoW nowadays, too |
| 22:59.54 | Amarande | and try to hype up Heroes of the Storm, Hearthstone, SC2 ... also this Overwatch thing I've only just recently started hearing about |
| 23:00.08 | Mr_Rabies | wait, stormrage is pve duh |
| 23:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's the largest realm |
| 23:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | everyone's transferring there from every pve realm, more or less |
| 23:00.22 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking SR was pvp |
| 23:00.41 | Amarande | i.e., that the entire PvE MMO paradigm may be dying out, and they want to shift focus to the MOBA and online-card-game paradigms |
| 23:00.50 | Mr_Rabies | eh, the moba's already on the way out |
| 23:01.00 | Mr_Rabies | they were way too late with HoTS, i think |
| 23:01.01 | Amarande | You're probably mixing Smolderthorn up with Stormrage :) |
| 23:01.37 | Mr_Rabies | the market's so saturated with moba games now, they've basically hit player cap on interested parties |
| 23:02.04 | Primer | there, done |
| 23:02.08 | Primer | my wife will be thrilled |
| 23:02.59 | Mr_Rabies | they're also not different enough and no one really knows what do much with them to differentiate |
| 23:03.19 | Amarande | also like wow the top games get so much attention as to kinda strangle out the rest |
| 23:03.33 | Mr_Rabies | at least when every game was an fps there were some differences |
| 23:03.35 | Amarande | wasn't that basically the problem with mmos, that wow was saturating so much of the market that the others didn't get enough people? |
| 23:03.54 | Amarande | except in mobas the stakes can get higher, because of the whole e-sports thing |
| 23:03.57 | Mr_Rabies | well, and they were all wow clones |
| 23:04.12 | Amarande | the most distinguished MOBAs, championship tier players can actually get life changing rewards |
| 23:04.16 | Mr_Rabies | if you're trying to compete with the leader by being worse than the leader, you're gonna lose |
| 23:04.24 | Amarande | not just cash prizes, but even being legally recognised as athletes by some governments |
| 23:04.42 | Amarande | IIRC, the LCS players for LoL the last time LCS was in the US got actual athletic visas for the event |
| 23:05.25 | Amarande | ... yes, this same US government that dragged Bobby Fischer through the mud over playing a chess match in Belgrade during the Yugoslav embargo, even though sporting events aren't supposed to be considered subject to embargo, and unlike these so called e-sports, the IOC actually DOES recognise chess as a legitimate sport ... |
| 23:05.37 | Amarande | SMH |
| 23:11.24 | Amarande | it does make one wonder if that's further injuring PvE gaming, though |
| 23:11.37 | Amarande | PvP greats get recognised as athletes ... PvE greats are "those nerds that spend all their time on this raiding thing" |
| 23:13.30 | Amarande | unless you're a great twitch streamer, it doesn't really seem like there's much in the way of positive social recognition for being good at pve :( |
| 23:14.45 | Mr_Rabies | only from the point of view of people that only care about competitive gaming |
| 23:15.12 | Mr_Rabies | plenty of people really don't care about pvp and only talk about the top 20 pve guilds, etc |
| 23:16.02 | Mr_Rabies | i personally really don't much care for esports, i think the games that focus on them tend to have miserable communities |
| 23:16.13 | Mr_Rabies | every moba ever has a totally miserable community so far |
| 23:16.47 | Amarande | game experience may change during online play indeed :| |
| 23:17.42 | Amarande | wonder if the focus on team competition partly has to do with it, players get super harsh on one another because "if it wasn't for you we would have won" kinda thing |
| 23:18.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's really just part of the design of mobas |
| 23:18.11 | Amarande | by comparison you don't seem to see this nearly so much in solo competition ... most of the chess greats in history seem to have been quite pleasant people, say |
| 23:18.12 | Primer | So this token thing that can now be used to extend your account. I've never even bothered looking into this because I'm an adult with a well-paying job and credit cards. Anyhow...how does that shit work? |
| 23:18.26 | Primer | How much time can one buy right now with 250k gold? |
| 23:18.33 | Amarande | Primer: it works in two ways |
| 23:18.34 | Mr_Rabies | in that if you're doing them in a pub it's not like, say, counter-strike |
| 23:18.42 | Mr_Rabies | where one player can't really make the team lose |
| 23:18.51 | Amarande | if you want extra gold for cash, you buy a token at a fixed cost of 20USD and it goes up on the auction house at the current rate along with all the other tokens there |
| 23:18.52 | Mr_Rabies | but one player can easily make or break a moba game |
| 23:18.56 | Amarande | someone eventually buys your token and you get golds |
| 23:19.08 | Mr_Rabies | that combined with the fairly high learning curve and totally unhelpful teammates results in a miserable community |
| 23:19.10 | Amarande | if you want free game time for gold, you buy a token off the AH at the current rate |
| 23:19.25 | Primer | Amarande: and the token can be traded? |
| 23:19.26 | Amarande | and then the token goes into your inventory (note, it's not like PLEX or CREDD, you can't re-trade it onward) |
| 23:19.26 | Icicle | jumping in a bit late to the WoW convo :). I thought the current main issue is there is actually very little community with each server anymore due to the connection of realms. |
| 23:19.29 | Primer | I have 2 accounts |
| 23:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | most moba players at the top level are fine people |
| 23:19.42 | Primer | I suppose I can send gold back and forth too |
| 23:19.48 | Amarande | Primer: no, you cannot trade the tokens once purchased |
| 23:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | 250k gold would buy you about 10 months of game time in the US right now primer |
| 23:20.02 | Amarande | although you can let them sit in your inventory until you want to use them, you don't have to do so immediately |
| 23:20.10 | Mr_Rabies | https://wowtoken.info/ |
| 23:20.13 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: thanks |
| 23:20.29 | Primer | my realm is low pop, so I have a feeling it'll be more there |
| 23:20.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's shared |
| 23:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | across all realms |
| 23:20.39 | Amarande | Primer: yeah, they're region wide |
| 23:20.40 | Mr_Rabies | in the region |
| 23:20.47 | Amarande | it's about 20-24K in the US region, about 40Kish in the EU |
| 23:21.02 | Amarande | EU price seems to stay about exactly steady |
| 23:21.12 | Mr_Rabies | 220k on taiwanese realms |
| 23:21.13 | Mr_Rabies | somehow |
| 23:21.14 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even |
| 23:21.20 | Amarande | US prices undulate smoothly ... like ... green hills! |
| 23:21.21 | Primer | ok wait, it's not determined by the market? |
| 23:21.29 | Mr_Rabies | it is, but |
| 23:21.41 | Amarande | Primer: it is, but equilibrium was reached pretty quickly |
| 23:21.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's not the regular AH, and it's averaged out so it doesn't really spike |
| 23:21.54 | Primer | interesting |
| 23:22.03 | Primer | I wonder how many people made bank when this first came out |
| 23:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | you buy them on the regular AH, but honestly it doesn't really use anything from the AH |
| 23:22.22 | Mr_Rabies | it started at what...30k? |
| 23:22.36 | Amarande | Primer: not all that many ... it reached equilibrium quite fast if I recall right |
| 23:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | and then dropped pretty quickly to 11k or so, then back up to 20k |
| 23:23.01 | Mr_Rabies | and it's been very, very slowly increasing since 20k, week to week |
| 23:23.02 | Amarande | also, you can only buy a certain number of tokens per month per account (think it's 10) |
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| 23:23.24 | Primer | So say I let my account expire but I have 1 token in my inventory. Can I reactivate on the web site without shelling out cash? |
| 23:23.27 | Amarande | yeah, generally it will drop to about 20k, then it will creep up slowly to 24-25k or so and then it starts dropping again |
| 23:23.37 | Mr_Rabies | you can reactivate from the char select screen primer |
| 23:23.38 | Mr_Rabies | it'll say |
| 23:23.42 | Mr_Rabies | "you're out of game time" |
| 23:23.49 | Mr_Rabies | "would you like to use/buy a token?" |
| 23:23.51 | Mr_Rabies | basically |
| 23:23.59 | Primer | Seems they thought of everything |
| 23:24.16 | Primer | So I can even buy one on the character selection screen? Does it give me an AH UI too? |
| 23:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | you can also make alts and keep them in your guild for free |
| 23:24.33 | Amarande | the only thing that ever quite seems odd is why they prevented tokens from being traded onward |
| 23:24.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's a different ui |
| 23:24.52 | Mr_Rabies | almost definitely to combat fraut, Amarande |
| 23:24.56 | Mr_Rabies | fraud* |
| 23:25.04 | Amarande | CREDD and PLEX can be, and I'm pretty sure the upcoming SW:TOR token will be tradable as well, since Cartel Market items practically always are (after the first 36 hours) |
| 23:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | much like the store mount fraud |
| 23:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | people buy a token, trade it |
| 23:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | then cancel payment |
| 23:25.33 | Mr_Rabies | what happens to the token? |
| 23:25.40 | Amarande | well yeah, that's why SW:TOR binds cartel market purchases to you for 36 hours after buying them (and I really wish this was to account and not character but ...) |
| 23:26.23 | Amarande | but after that they're tradable (except a very few things, mainly rep tokens and jawa salvage) and there doesn't seem to be an issue there |
| 23:27.35 | Mr_Rabies | they could maybe lock them onto the account for a month or so, but the reason plex nor credd really have that kind of fraud is that there's no real market for them :v |
| 23:27.49 | Mr_Rabies | whereas wow still remains pretty valuable to account thieves, etc |
| 23:27.49 | Amarande | well other than me just smh at the total lack of any relation between real world cost of items and their GTN credits trading values, e.g., you'll have a single colour crystal (relatively cheap in the grand scheme) that goes for a couple million, meanwhile a hypercrate (pack of 24 of the random item gamble packs, basically, and it costs 70 bucks worth of cartel coins) goes for maybe 5-10 mil |
| 23:28.29 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:28.38 | Amarande | credd maybe, I don't hear much at all about wildstar lately |
| 23:28.39 | Mr_Rabies | at one point a bnet account u/p combination was worth more on the black market than a full credit card swipe |
| 23:29.07 | Amarande | plex on the other hand seems highly worthful, they always go on about how much money was "lost" (really: CCP making free money, heh) when there's a big cartel war in EVE |
| 23:29.15 | Mr_Rabies | since the real risk of stealing a wow account is basically negligible, and you could just do a chargeback on a credit card |
| 23:29.33 | Mr_Rabies | also: actual investigations tend to happen with credit card fraud, etc |
| 23:29.48 | Amarande | and yeah, it would probably be really profitable for blizz if the tokens were tradable |
| 23:30.02 | Mr_Rabies | probably, but the extra support cost might outweigh that |
| 23:30.04 | Amarande | I mean, again, think what happens with plex, if the tokens aren't actually redeemed, that's free money for Blizz |
| 23:30.37 | Amarande | although the big difference with PLEX is that it can also get destroyed outright, and CCP seems to be fairly laissez-faire about player fraud |
| 23:30.49 | Amarande | it's a dog-eat-dog corporate galaxy, and it's up to you to cover your own sorry ass, after all :) |
| 23:31.25 | Amarande | I'm not even quite sure what you'd have to do in terms of ripping off another player to get banned, given all the things that are allowed to happen in EVE |
| 23:31.43 | Primer | I'm guessing they don't condone hacking? |
| 23:32.03 | Amarande | Yeah, I doubt real-world hacking into accounts is allowed :P |
| 23:32.28 | Amarande | otoh, in say WoW, if you rip off players in trades, you can actually get banned for that |
| 23:32.37 | Amarande | in EVE, tough, pretty much |
| 23:33.19 | Primer | phelps: So all that streaming stuff I did was all on a single machine with a 3 drive raid 5...and 2 of the drives failed |
| 23:33.33 | Primer | the nginx side of things, that is |
| 23:33.36 | Amarande | Primer: RAID is not a substitute for a backup :P |
| 23:34.05 | Gnarfoz | gj :D |
| 23:34.24 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: and yeah, it's kind of puzzling that a mere game, even a popular one like WoW, should be so obsessed over by thieves, as a real theft market at that |
| 23:34.29 | Gnarfoz | at the same time? :( |
| 23:34.35 | Primer | but to have 2 drives die within days of each other...that really sucked |
| 23:34.56 | Primer | well, I wasn't keeping an eye out, but it was like, one day it was fine, then a few days later it was toast |
| 23:34.59 | Amarande | especially one like WoW. D2 was probably even more understandable, since there was no such thing as soulbound items there ... WoW, most of the good stuff isn't tradable |
| 23:35.19 | Gnarfoz | you weren't... keeping an eye out? |
| 23:35.21 | Primer | reboot, and md (yes, software raid on Linux) reported 2/3 drives out of sync |
| 23:35.30 | Gnarfoz | meaning you didn't have email alerts set up :o |
| 23:35.38 | Amarande | Primer: yeah, that's kinda not surprising |
| 23:35.52 | Primer | well, this was a home server I setup exclusively to run an lxc for postgres |
| 23:35.54 | Amarande | especially if you bought the drives together, they probably came from the same batch, and thus have similar lifespan properties to one another |
| 23:35.59 | Primer | for my home dev environment |
| 23:36.06 | Primer | which wasn't all that important, honestly |
| 23:36.12 | Amarande | hmm, wonder if that might actually be a RAID truism, there |
| 23:36.12 | Gnarfoz | (mdadm is just fine) |
| 23:36.25 | Amarande | Never buy all your RAID array drives from the same supplier |
| 23:36.27 | Primer | It just so happened that I was using the host OS to run that streaming stuff |
| 23:36.46 | Primer | heh, those drives were left overs from the office and were at least 7 years old |
| 23:37.07 | Gnarfoz | the reached the other end of the bathtub curve ^^ |
| 23:37.10 | Gnarfoz | *they |
| 23:37.36 | Primer | the machine they're running on is about 9 years old |
| 23:37.42 | Primer | a quad core c2d |
| 23:37.59 | Primer | well, maybe 7 years old too |
| 23:38.18 | phelps | Primer, thats hardcore bad luck bro |
| 23:38.45 | Primer | phelps: I bet I can dig though my IRC logs and find the pastebins of the nginx.conf, which was the important part :) |
| 23:40.15 | Primer | bah, seems they've all expired |
| 23:40.16 | Primer | oh well |
| 23:41.01 | Primer | heh, my logs in #wowace go back to 2007 |
| 23:41.07 | Primer | when I started on my addon |
| 23:43.40 | Semlar | well, did you finish it? |
| 23:45.52 | Primer | No, I never did implement all the features I set out to add to it |
| 23:45.59 | Primer | it became moot with WoD |
| 23:46.04 | Primer | since the addon was about flying |
| 23:46.40 | Semlar | that's my kind of timeline |
| 23:47.11 | Torhal | commits Semlar to a CVS repository. |
| 23:48.44 | Semlar | but i'm already comitted |
| 23:55.32 | Semlar | to my local cvs pharmacy |
| 23:55.50 | Icicle | ewww cvs |
| 23:56.01 | Icicle | I cannot see the repos fore the trees |
