| 00:02.40 | znf | how am I going to find a decently priced case with 4 USB on top? ;-/ |
| 00:03.51 | foxlit | I hesitate to guess, but I have a feeling you might use the Internet to do that. |
| 00:04.00 | Ressy | I'm using a Corsair. |
| 00:04.04 | Gnarfoz | by adjusting your expectation of "decently priced" :> how do you even have a case where your card doesn't fit into |
| 00:04.09 | Ressy | 2 USB2, 2 USB3 |
| 00:04.14 | foxlit | and/or redefine youre definition of "decently prices"... whatever Gnarfoz said. |
| 00:04.27 | Gnarfoz | (no, your card isn't "too large", your case seems to be to small) |
| 00:05.01 | znf | Gnarfoz, have you see my new GPU? >_< |
| 00:05.02 | Gnarfoz | well, in any case (ha), you got the card for free, so now you pay a little for a better case ;P |
| 00:05.09 | Gnarfoz | yes, 5 times in the last 3 days or so! |
| 00:05.13 | znf | good! |
| 00:05.28 | znf | also, why aren't cases with 4 usb ports more common (front usb) |
| 00:05.40 | Gnarfoz | because cases with EVEN MORE ports are also around |
| 00:05.42 | foxlit | because what kind of weird abomination needs 4 usb ports? |
| 00:05.45 | kd3 | my case has 0 front ports |
| 00:05.50 | kullervo | znf: why would you want usb on the case |
| 00:05.52 | kd3 | I'm quite happy with that |
| 00:05.58 | kullervo | you optimally don't want it so close it's within hand's reach |
| 00:06.16 | znf | because I plug a lot of gadgets in front? |
| 00:06.21 | Semlar | you can just get a usb hub |
| 00:06.25 | znf | fuck USB hubs |
| 00:06.28 | znf | I hate those pieces of shit |
| 00:06.33 | Semlar | okay |
| 00:06.37 | kd3 | get a non-$3.99 hub and they work just fine |
| 00:06.57 | Semlar | anything with 4 ports in it it's just a usb hub plugged into the motherboard inside the case |
| 00:07.07 | Gnarfoz | pssst |
| 00:07.19 | Gnarfoz | and no, most of the time it's 2 leads to onboard headers |
| 00:07.27 | Amarande | I have an Apevia X-Dreamer4 ... there's 2 2.0 and 1 3.0 on the front |
| 00:07.44 | znf | Gnarfoz, my mobo has 2x USB 2.0 headers and 1x USB 3.0 headers available |
| 00:07.56 | Gnarfoz | similar here, so? |
| 00:07.57 | foxlit | list of things that you should plug into front usb: ... .... flash sticks? |
| 00:08.13 | znf | foxlit, usb headphones, flash drives, sometimes more than one, my phone, my e-cig charger etc. |
| 00:08.39 | Amarande | yeah phones/cameras ... and yup e-cig chargers if you swing that way |
| 00:08.39 | kd3 | charging stuff goes into a usb port on your power strip |
| 00:08.59 | Amarande | although I do also have 2 charging ports on the UPS |
| 00:09.05 | Amarande | and I don't smoke or do e-cigs |
| 00:09.16 | kd3 | if you're buying a $150+ case, you can swing the $20 or so for a power strip made this millenium |
| 00:09.22 | Amarande | it does keep occurring to me that e-cigs must be great at getting people into the habit though :S |
| 00:09.33 | Gnarfoz | he's not buying a 150$ case, tho |
| 00:09.39 | foxlit | or just a normal socket->usb brick that you can also take with you when you travel. |
| 00:09.49 | Gnarfoz | (which could easily cover 4 USB ports. :P) |
| 00:10.12 | Gnarfoz | don't any of your screens or maybe your keyboard have an integrated USB hub |
| 00:10.17 | znf | Every time I had to buy a new case was out of necessity :-/ |
| 00:10.23 | Gnarfoz | (oh well, you're using a chiclet keyboard, so probably not) |
| 00:10.48 | znf | Gnarfoz, when I'll get a new screen! |
| 00:10.53 | kd3 | looks at his case from 2007 or so |
| 00:10.56 | znf | until then, I prefer the 4 usb ports in front :P |
| 00:10.58 | Gnarfoz | how many times have you bought new cases? and when will you realize that buying a proper one will save you from doing it again for basically forever? |
| 00:11.03 | Semlar | i've only had like 2 computer cases |
| 00:11.26 | znf | Gnarfoz, 2 times in ~10 years?! |
| 00:11.28 | znf | maybe 3? |
| 00:11.36 | Semlar | and that's only because the first one i bought wasn't that great |
| 00:11.49 | kd3 | the case before this one was bought circa 2001 |
| 00:11.57 | Gnarfoz | what's in the way, anyway? |
| 00:12.00 | Gnarfoz | HDD cage? |
| 00:12.05 | znf | Gnarfoz, kind of, let me take a pic |
| 00:12.41 | Torhal | [19:09:22] <Amarande>it does keep occurring to me that e-cigs must be great at getting people into the habit though :S <-- Huh? I used 'em to quit smoking. I didn't realize how bad I had smelled or exactly how horrible I had felt until I'd been switched over for a few months. |
| 00:12.58 | Gnarfoz | Torhal! |
| 00:13.02 | Torhal | No, Gnarfoz! |
| 00:13.07 | Gnarfoz | making me read Amarande by proxy :( |
| 00:13.09 | Torhal | Your eyes deceive you! |
| 00:13.23 | Gnarfoz | they do? |
| 00:13.28 | Gnarfoz | rubs eyes |
| 00:13.40 | Amarande | Gnarfoz seems to take pride in ignoring me LOL |
| 00:13.48 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/I7sY3tT.jpg |
| 00:13.57 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/upthvjS.jpg |
| 00:14.04 | Semlar | i have a cooler master haf.. some model number that i don't remember |
| 00:14.04 | foxlit | monsterous! |
| 00:14.09 | znf | excuse the dust |
| 00:14.14 | kd3 | that gpu looks bigger than any gpu ought to be |
| 00:14.20 | znf | and the non-existent wire management |
| 00:14.41 | Amarande | znf: and the fact that you didn't check the graphics card length before purchasing |
| 00:14.45 | kullervo | znf: ca you hard hack the case? |
| 00:14.58 | Amarande | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A |
| 00:15.05 | Stanzilla | znf: that kind of gypsy pc is that |
| 00:15.07 | znf | Amarande, I did! |
| 00:15.09 | Semlar | get the hacksaw |
| 00:15.10 | znf | Stanzilla, huh? |
| 00:15.11 | Stanzilla | XXXS? |
| 00:15.11 | kullervo | Oh, seems it's attached with a... what are those called in english |
| 00:15.17 | Stanzilla | super small |
| 00:15.26 | znf | Stanzilla, it's big enough! >_< |
| 00:15.32 | Stanzilla | obviously not? |
| 00:15.36 | kullervo | it's not about the size, it's about how you use it |
| 00:15.36 | Stanzilla | also that's what he said? |
| 00:15.47 | Semlar | i think it's exactly about the size |
| 00:16.00 | Semlar | how is he supposed to use that any differently! |
| 00:17.15 | kullervo | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102102423/20140121_194025.jpg |
| 00:17.19 | znf | I don't even know what case I have |
| 00:17.28 | kullervo | aww yiss hardhacked hdd bay |
| 00:17.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 00:17.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 00:18.08 | kullervo | there's so much room for activities there I rent it to a chinese family |
| 00:18.16 | Amarande | wow I thought my cpu cooler was big :) |
| 00:18.24 | Semlar | it doesn't look like he can remove the cage, but it's hard to tell from the pictures |
| 00:18.28 | kullervo | and now Iriel gets to guess what the subject's about |
| 00:18.29 | Amarande | (well, actually Akasa does have one that's about the size of your Noctua too) |
| 00:18.53 | Iriel | kullervo: 8-) |
| 00:18.55 | kullervo | oh my god really those two lines out of context |
| 00:19.13 | Iriel | kullervo: I wont even try until my brain cools down (itâs hot outside) |
| 00:19.22 | znf | Ah, this is the case I have https://www.pcgarage.ro/carcase/cooltek/k3-evolution/ |
| 00:19.36 | Semlar | it's a mid tower |
| 00:20.02 | znf | >Lungime GPU285 mm |
| 00:20.06 | znf | (GPU Lenth) |
| 00:20.08 | znf | Length |
| 00:20.12 | znf | mine is 294 mm... |
| 00:20.15 | Semlar | ATX |
| 00:20.17 | Stanzilla | rekt |
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| 00:21.37 | Amarande | znf: I'll have to give it to you again, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A :D |
| 00:21.49 | znf | ... |
| 00:21.54 | drazisil | Hey Semlar, I figured out what it was.. |
| 00:22.02 | Semlar | oh yeah? |
| 00:22.18 | drazisil | gimp likes to save really bad tga files |
| 00:22.34 | drazisil | it was my stupid icon |
| 00:23.08 | Semlar | i thought it might be a bad file |
| 00:23.11 | znf | Are there cases with 2.5" bays? |
| 00:23.23 | Semlar | but i didn't think it was even loading that |
| 00:23.43 | drazisil | it was as part of the ldb init |
| 00:23.54 | kd3 | ugly, ugly: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59175614/20150530_172259.jpg |
| 00:24.19 | Semlar | i removed the lua file so the only thing it was loading was the xml |
| 00:24.19 | znf | geez, everyone has like 5 HDDs o.o |
| 00:24.29 | foxlit | psu->mothrboard cables are *never* the right length |
| 00:24.34 | Neffiphone | [20:23] (znf) Are there cases with 2.5" bays? <- yeah, its becoming popular |
| 00:24.35 | kd3 | znf, most of those are from when I built the case, back before TB drives were a thing |
| 00:24.38 | Gnarfoz | znf: hum, well. the previous pics were all with the card on its own. I underestimated how huge that actually is. wouldn't fit in my case, either |
| 00:24.56 | znf | ^^ |
| 00:25.00 | Gnarfoz | (up to 290 mm) |
| 00:25.13 | znf | that's why I said "Yes" when the guy asked me if my case will fit it |
| 00:25.34 | Iriel | Ive become fond of cases which make it easy to hide the excess neatly away without messing up the airflow |
| 00:25.35 | Gnarfoz | can't make any statements deterring someone from giving you a free high-end GPU! |
| 00:25.36 | drazisil | Semlar, so I just wanted to stop in with the answer and say thanks again for the help :) |
| 00:25.47 | Semlar | well it's good you found the problem |
| 00:25.59 | znf | Gnarfoz, to my defense, I was pretty sure it would fit :D |
| 00:26.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.14 | Gnarfoz | kd3: is that a stock intel HSF |
| 00:26.27 | kd3 | yes |
| 00:26.34 | kd3 | my cpu's at 36 right now |
| 00:26.41 | kd3 | works just fine |
| 00:26.51 | Gnarfoz | probably thanks to the other 4 fans! :D |
| 00:27.09 | znf | I really need to clean up my PC for dust, though |
| 00:27.21 | Gnarfoz | excuse me, other FIVE fans |
| 00:27.29 | Gnarfoz | 6! |
| 00:27.29 | Iriel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/2012-05-11-NewMachine/SideNoFlash.jpg |
| 00:27.30 | Gnarfoz | omg! |
| 00:27.34 | Gnarfoz | 6 fans man! |
| 00:27.49 | znf | This *almost* fits my need: http://www.pcgarage.ro/carcase/game-daemon/6001/ -- except the awful red and the fact that it only has 1 port :( |
| 00:27.52 | kd3 | 2 on top, 2 on the side with the door open, one in back, one on bottom, one in front, one more on the other side |
| 00:27.56 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: tidy <3 |
| 00:27.58 | kd3 | + the cpu cooler |
| 00:28.03 | Gnarfoz | 8 fans?! |
| 00:28.12 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: indeed, though I canât take credit for doing it. |
| 00:28.23 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: the sticker makes that pretty obvious :> |
| 00:28.42 | Iriel | Though with that case itâs much less difficult to be tidy |
| 00:28.44 | Stanzilla | Iriel: corsair brother, highfive |
| 00:29.19 | znf | Hmmm. They should make cases with USB Type-C! |
| 00:29.27 | Iriel | Stanzilla: 8-) Quiet, cool, and trouble-free |
| 00:29.52 | Semlar | cept the water pump |
| 00:29.57 | Gnarfoz | kd3: https://youtu.be/KE4oAswaY94?t=3m50s :D (never mind the German) |
| 00:29.58 | Stanzilla | there is no pump |
| 00:30.01 | Stanzilla | that's the secret Semlar |
| 00:30.07 | Semlar | there's clearly a pump |
| 00:30.15 | Iriel | The pump is in the CPU cooler |
| 00:30.23 | Iriel | it really is quiet tho. |
| 00:30.32 | foxlit | except at start-up. |
| 00:30.33 | Iriel | Only really beaten my my macs |
| 00:30.34 | Stanzilla | yeah well |
| 00:30.35 | Semlar | i have the same thing, it's not completely silent |
| 00:30.37 | Stanzilla | super small minipump |
| 00:30.40 | Semlar | i mean it's not bad |
| 00:30.50 | Gnarfoz | it's not even remotely bad |
| 00:30.51 | Semlar | but when it turns on you can hear it |
| 00:30.55 | kd3 | lol. with my case closed, all I hear are the HDDs unless I'm compiling something for 10-15 minutes and the cpu fan speeds up |
| 00:31.00 | foxlit | 2 SECONDS OF ROCKET ENGINE before something realizes "oh hey, it's not actually that hot here" |
| 00:31.01 | Iriel | Well, yes, itâs not passively cooled |
| 00:31.16 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: you do know why that is tho :P |
| 00:31.37 | Semlar | because you woke it up while it was dreaming |
| 00:31.49 | Semlar | and it had a mild panic attack |
| 00:31.59 | Gnarfoz | I shall get one of those 388 W fans |
| 00:32.08 | znf | Antec P100 looks decent |
| 00:32.57 | kd3 | looking forward to building my next system to celebrate my new job... one spinning HDD in the case, everything else is getting put in the NAS |
| 00:33.01 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure I have any presentable recent pics of mine |
| 00:34.07 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: one thing that stands out though: your PSU is massively overdimensioned for what it's powering |
| 00:34.13 | Stanzilla | znf: i have this one http://www.corsair.com/en/obsidian-series-650d |
| 00:34.22 | Gnarfoz | unless that's an older pic and you now have triple-SLI in there or so :D |
| 00:34.49 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: that is largely correct, I do often have quite a lot of USB junk hanging off the thing tho, and wanted to be sure I could add an additional GPU |
| 00:35.04 | Semlar | that is a lot of wattage |
| 00:35.33 | Iriel | My experience with decent modern PSUâs has been that theyâre pretty well behaved on low loads |
| 00:35.44 | znf | Stanzilla, expensive! |
| 00:35.46 | Gnarfoz | well-behaved in what way? |
| 00:36.02 | Gnarfoz | they're still quite a bit more efficient closer to their maximum load |
| 00:36.30 | Iriel | Theyâre relatively efficient (not quite as much as their lower power cousins, but not enough to worry about) |
| 00:36.33 | kd3 | hell, my 750W psu is way overpowered. my case is drawing ~115W at idle |
| 00:36.34 | Gnarfoz | anyway, my initial thought was more in the "1000W PSUs are not cheap" area |
| 00:36.37 | Semlar | i have like a 650w psu |
| 00:36.57 | Semlar | actually the higher watt power supplies aren't that much more expensive |
| 00:37.10 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: if I was /that/ cost-conscious I would have built the thing myself |
| 00:37.16 | Dagmar | Let's try "1000W PSUs that are cheap should not be used for any purpose." |
| 00:37.45 | znf | my PSU is 550W :P |
| 00:37.52 | Iriel | (Though I did save on shipping by driving to Digital storm to pick it up) |
| 00:37.56 | znf | had it for years now |
| 00:38.10 | Dagmar | That's probably fine unless yu're usnig dual-high-end video cards or something |
| 00:38.23 | Semlar | the first corsair psu i had was faulty |
| 00:38.24 | Dagmar | The number of ricers I've seen who have PSUs that are double their expected peak load... Sheesh |
| 00:38.32 | Semlar | they had to replace it |
| 00:38.51 | znf | Huh, actually it's 500W |
| 00:38.54 | Semlar | i bought it almost exclusively because i didn't want to have to return it if it was bad |
| 00:39.20 | Gnarfoz | not sure I understand that line of thinking |
| 00:39.20 | Semlar | so i would say there's not much point shelling out extra money for a more reputable brand |
| 00:39.25 | Amarande | Semlar: hah, sounds like when I bought my first LGA115x era board |
| 00:39.28 | Torhal | Semlar: Do you use Sublime Text? |
| 00:39.29 | Gnarfoz | Corsair *is* a reputable brand |
| 00:39.34 | Semlar | yeah, it is |
| 00:39.40 | Gnarfoz | I don't get what you're saying, then |
| 00:39.41 | Amarande | I figured "ok I'll go with Intel ... I had an Intel brand board back in the Pentium III days, the brand's reliable ..." |
| 00:39.42 | Amarande | ... DOA |
| 00:39.43 | Semlar | which is the ONLY reason i bought that psu instead of a cheaper one |
| 00:39.47 | Semlar | and it was bad |
| 00:40.08 | Semlar | so it delayed my project a couple weeks |
| 00:40.09 | Gnarfoz | how does buying Corsair mean you don't have to return it if it's bad |
| 00:40.13 | Gnarfoz | weeks |
| 00:40.15 | Gnarfoz | are you in Australia |
| 00:40.19 | Stanzilla | corsair is the best brand :< |
| 00:40.38 | Semlar | i'm not sure how you don't understand this |
| 00:40.52 | Iriel | I think he was hoping that a good brand would have better tested devices leaving the factory |
| 00:40.57 | Amarande | Semlar: east coast + newegg only doing RMAs out of cali? |
| 00:40.58 | Gnarfoz | I don't understand this: ow does buying Corsair mean you don't have to return it if it's bad <- |
| 00:41.01 | Iriel | And he got unlucky |
| 00:41.04 | Semlar | i expected better quality control from a more expensive product |
| 00:41.06 | Iriel | He was hoping IT WOULD NOT BE BAD |
| 00:41.11 | Semlar | because i didn't want to have to send it back |
| 00:41.16 | Gnarfoz | well then that sentence made not sense :D |
| 00:41.23 | Stanzilla | just a case of shit happens then :p |
| 00:41.23 | Iriel | I understood it! |
| 00:41.43 | Iriel | A much older machine - these guys knew how to do wiring: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/FalconWiring.jpg |
| 00:41.58 | Amarande | Sometimes it seems like God is pretty fond of using BioWare dice. :P |
| 00:42.04 | Gnarfoz | wiring is fun |
| 00:42.15 | Gnarfoz | just takes time ^^ |
| 00:42.22 | Semlar | zip ties everywhere |
| 00:42.32 | Gnarfoz | zip ties best ties |
| 00:42.37 | Amarande | "These next three rolls will only fail on 1's." *three 1's roll in* |
| 00:43.01 | znf | I'd end up cursing the first time i have to change something if I'd use zip ties |
| 00:43.08 | znf | Not like I haven't burned myself using those ever |
| 00:43.19 | Iriel | Just cut them off |
| 00:43.23 | Gnarfoz | better make your mind up before you start, then :P |
| 00:43.29 | Amarande | Iriel: fear of accidentally cutting the wiring too |
| 00:43.34 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, get a proper pair of snips |
| 00:43.35 | Amarande | especially if it's a power wire ... ZOOOOOOOOOT |
| 00:43.36 | Semlar | they can be a pain to cut off if they're tight |
| 00:43.38 | Gnarfoz | easy as pie |
| 00:43.52 | Gnarfoz | in a pinch, safety scissors from a first aid kit ^^ |
| 00:43.57 | Semlar | no room to slip something under them |
| 00:44.02 | Iriel | or screwdriver blade under the tie, and a very sharp blade |
| 00:44.07 | Iriel | to cut |
| 00:44.42 | Gnarfoz | in any case (duh!), most important is to have the right length cables starting out |
| 00:44.47 | Gnarfoz | nothing is worse than excessive slack |
| 00:44.47 | Iriel | though there is a problem if theyâev been fasted far too tightly |
| 00:45.14 | Gnarfoz | you could get zipties with built-in release levers (which also makes them reusable) |
| 00:45.24 | Iriel | then you have to leave the tails on |
| 00:45.27 | Iriel | and thatâs ugly as sin |
| 00:45.41 | Gnarfoz | only if you plan on reusing them on something bigger than before! :P |
| 00:46.37 | Iriel | Also, they cost something like 3c each |
| 00:46.49 | Iriel | I can see the point in reusable ties when theyâre fairly large and expensive |
| 00:47.00 | Iriel | but for computer case work youâre using tiny ones anyway |
| 00:47.06 | znf | yeah, think I'm sticking with the Antec P100 |
| 00:47.31 | znf | that Corsair Stanzilla has is out of stock, and it's 200⬠:-/ |
| 00:47.45 | Gnarfoz | 137⬠you mean |
| 00:47.54 | znf | 200⬠here |
| 00:47.58 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 00:48.39 | Iriel | I have the Corsair Obsidian 550D |
| 00:48.51 | znf | heck, the 750D is actually cheaper... |
| 00:48.55 | znf | but, again, out of stock |
| 00:48.57 | Gnarfoz | get with the times and move here, then |
| 00:49.15 | Dagmar | I typically just use electrical tape instead of zip ties, being that I've got five different-colored rolls of the stuff here. |
| 00:49.31 | Semlar | i just ball up the wires and stuff them in there |
| 00:49.33 | Dagmar | That whole dangly-end thing pisses me off too |
| 00:49.37 | Semlar | problem solved |
| 00:49.45 | Dagmar | Semlar: Savage! |
| 00:49.48 | Semlar | lol |
| 00:50.07 | Neffi | balls up Semlar and stuffs him in Torhal |
| 00:50.13 | znf | Semlar, pretty much what I do. |
| 00:50.13 | Semlar | not again! |
| 00:50.15 | Iriel | Dagmar: the only problem I have with electrical tape is that, unlike zip ties, you canât âmostlyâ tie stuff together, do fine-tuning, then tighten it all up |
| 00:50.22 | znf | I plug/unplug stuff too often to care about how they're managed |
| 00:50.25 | Dagmar | ...although I'll admit to doing that with microATX cases because the damn things are tiny and already have bad airflow |
| 00:50.31 | Iriel | Properly applied it is pretty spiffy though, especially with good color coding |
| 00:50.55 | Dagmar | Iriel: Actually if you use binder clips to put things in place first you can |
| 00:51.02 | Iriel | Ah, interesting |
| 00:51.05 | Iriel | I may have to try that |
| 00:51.13 | Iriel | I have no shortage of binder clips |
| 00:51.14 | znf | or, hey, I could buy the Obsidian 900D for just 400â¬! |
| 00:51.19 | Dagmar | Otherwise you practically need three hands to keep the wires together while you wrap them |
| 00:51.32 | Gnarfoz | znf: seems legit |
| 00:52.24 | znf | still haven't found an alternative to that Antec P100 |
| 00:53.02 | Dagmar | That's not surprising. It's one of their nicer looking cases without having to go into their "specialty" stuff |
| 00:53.29 | znf | 93⬠:-/ |
| 00:53.36 | Gnarfoz | really |
| 00:53.59 | Dagmar | It's got grommets and padding and a nice layout |
| 00:54.02 | znf | ya'rly |
| 00:54.02 | Amarande | I feel pity for this one guy in the "no flying rant" thread |
| 00:54.04 | Iriel | Am I the only person who has a problem with this picture showing how a case vents hot air: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/img/products/AventumII/Overview-2.jpg |
| 00:54.12 | Amarande | "Can't quote a good MMO but Witcher III is awesome. I just ordered a new GeForece [sic] GTX 780 video card to play it. It will be my WOW replacement for quite awhile" |
| 00:54.23 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: haha |
| 00:54.24 | Amarande | ... Witcher 3 is awful on Kepler |
| 00:54.27 | kd3 | uh, wow |
| 00:54.31 | Amarande | ... apparently, even more awful than on AMD, heh |
| 00:54.36 | Dagmar | Iriel: You're not. Wow |
| 00:54.42 | Dagmar | Like, the obvious vent is obvious |
| 00:54.56 | znf | maybe their case changes the laws of physics |
| 00:54.58 | znf | you never know :D |
| 00:55.09 | Dagmar | Maybe they lost their mind and the PSU actually pulls air in |
| 00:55.30 | Gnarfoz | but would it have an exhaust to the side |
| 00:55.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:55.35 | Gnarfoz | to that side, in particular |
| 00:55.41 | Gnarfoz | also, is that two PSUs |
| 00:55.48 | Iriel | Itâ s really the down arrow on the red that makes me go âwait, what?' |
| 00:55.55 | Dagmar | I'm not sure that fan is going to do much good 1/2 inch from the side wall without a vent |
| 00:56.05 | znf | huh, indeed, those are 2 PSU's |
| 00:56.18 | Gnarfoz | with different plugs, to boot |
| 00:56.22 | Gnarfoz | C13 and C19 mixed :D |
| 00:56.31 | Dagmar | Everyone loves unbalanced dual feeds |
| 00:56.50 | Gnarfoz | seeing that the C13 one is already 1 kW, I wonder what monster the C19 one is |
| 00:56.53 | znf | ...how does that work? |
| 00:57.03 | Dagmar | With little margin for error I'd think |
| 00:57.06 | Gnarfoz | it... just does, even though it's not really recommended |
| 00:57.12 | znf | does it even work with normal mobos? |
| 00:57.18 | znf | I thought only server mobos do that |
| 00:57.21 | Gnarfoz | why wouldn't it |
| 00:57.24 | Dagmar | You *can* power different peripherals with different power supplies |
| 00:57.30 | znf | Dagmar, I am aware of that! |
| 00:57.33 | Dagmar | You'd just better be buying high quality ones |
| 00:57.47 | Iriel | Their example photos are a quad GPU setup |
| 00:57.47 | Dagmar | Otherwise, lultacular voltage to ground and shiite |
| 00:57.49 | Gnarfoz | two things: you'd have to hardwire one of the PSUs to always be on |
| 00:57.55 | kd3 | is reminded of linking up two PS1s on different circuits with a link cable and having them both release the magic smoke |
| 00:58.00 | znf | actually I'm not sure how dual-psu actually work in a server environment |
| 00:58.10 | Dagmar | kd3: Home wireing is so awsome |
| 00:58.34 | Dagmar | znf: Generally they're 1) hot-pluggable and 2) precisely identical |
| 00:58.41 | Gnarfoz | other thing: try not to put things that have *other* power connections on different PSUs |
| 00:58.52 | kd3 | znf, for failover purposes |
| 00:58.58 | znf | Dagmar, how are they wired internally? |
| 00:58.59 | znf | that's what I don't get |
| 00:59.08 | znf | do the mobos have 2 headers for each? |
| 00:59.18 | Dagmar | Through expensive circuitry that doesn't immediately release magic smoke when one goes down and they're immediately unbalanced |
| 00:59.19 | kd3 | the mobo has headers for each psu |
| 00:59.42 | znf | And how do you power the HDDs? |
| 00:59.42 | Gnarfoz | some of them don't even have headers and plug straight into the PSU ^^ |
| 01:00.08 | Dagmar | znf: They typically feed to a daughterboard that manages feeding the rest, or the motherboard itself has that built in and feeds everything else |
| 01:00.14 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 01:00.15 | znf | Ah. |
| 01:00.22 | Gnarfoz | I'm too slow at typing tonight |
| 01:00.45 | znf | I've only played with one of those servers, but I never bothered to actually take the lid off to check out if works |
| 01:03.05 | Dagmar | I helped out more than a few admins when I was in the NOC when they'd get something like replacement RAM in and were afraid to open the case |
| 01:03.07 | Gnarfoz | znf: http://en.community.dell.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-components-userfiles/00-01-84-16-63/mb_2500_20conns.jpg "1" and "6" are the PSU connectors |
| 01:03.23 | znf | ah, nice |
| 01:03.36 | Gnarfoz | admins afraid of opening cases? what kind of admins are those |
| 01:03.37 | Semlar | so many labels |
| 01:03.53 | Dagmar | A large part of why I didn't bounce out of there at the first better offer was that I got to mess with a class of hardware I'd hardly seen before |
| 01:03.56 | znf | Gnarfoz, just had like 1 hour to play with it :D |
| 01:04.15 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: People who are mainly professors of some kind or other and not engineering types |
| 01:04.23 | Gnarfoz | professors... admins? |
| 01:04.35 | Dagmar | A university |
| 01:04.42 | Gnarfoz | so, not really admins |
| 01:04.43 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 01:04.58 | znf | Wonder if I can sell my HD 5750 for ~50⬠(200 RON) |
| 01:04.59 | Dagmar | It doesn't take a _whole_ lot other than a budget to get a departmental server up when you have free undergrads to do the rest |
| 01:05.10 | Gnarfoz | znf: I could play with those all day, but they just... work - don't really need to look at them that often |
| 01:05.19 | Dagmar | ...but they were understandably quirky about people touching the inside of something they paid $8,000 for. |
| 01:05.43 | Dagmar | ...and I built something like 10,000 desktop machines |
| 01:05.53 | Iriel | Ah, for the good old days when servers were more like $200K |
| 01:05.54 | Dagmar | Very, very familar with PC hardware |
| 01:06.00 | Iriel | Dont miss those days ONE BIT |
| 01:06.06 | Dagmar | Truth |
| 01:06.19 | Gnarfoz | why would you build 10k desktops |
| 01:06.21 | znf | well, this server I had time to play with, dunno why they ever bought that one with 2 PSUs, it wasn't in a data-center, they didn't have 2 different power lines... so, dunno |
| 01:06.28 | Dagmar | There are a _few_ cases where essentially absentee admins were a problem |
| 01:06.32 | Gnarfoz | znf: easy: because they could! |
| 01:06.43 | znf | >because someone told them it's better that way |
| 01:06.44 | znf | :D |
| 01:06.44 | Dagmar | One old Solaris box that was being used by three physics profs mysteriously went down one day |
| 01:06.59 | znf | because the seller worked on commision! |
| 01:07.00 | znf | :P |
| 01:07.10 | Dagmar | I was talking to them about it, and after the second one told me they hadn't done anything but push coursework to it in four or five years, I had them call up the third one |
| 01:07.15 | Dagmar | ...then they gave me a login |
| 01:07.20 | Ressy | Still looking at cases? >.> |
| 01:07.37 | Dagmar | The reason it went down was that hackers had broken in two years ago, and were _actively maintaining_ the server so they had an IRC box |
| 01:07.50 | kd3 | ahahahaha |
| 01:07.51 | Dagmar | SOmeone accidentally ran halt without the reboot command |
| 01:08.07 | Dagmar | I was laughing as I showed them the logs |
| 01:08.11 | znf | Ressy, think I've settled for the P100 |
| 01:08.25 | Dagmar | They were acutally quietly patching the thing and keeping it secure. Hehe |
| 01:08.34 | znf | I was doing that when I was a kid |
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| 01:08.36 | kd3 | too many stories of profs at my old university getting called by security because their servers got rooted and were DDoSing the rest of the network |
| 01:08.40 | Ressy | ehh |
| 01:08.46 | Dagmar | "I will leave the decision to remove their accounts up to you guys. These are the commands to use if you need them." |
| 01:08.56 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/RessyM/status/556261205866606593 |
| 01:09.06 | znf | Our "groups" IRC bouncer was online for about 4 years |
| 01:09.10 | Dagmar | kd3: I have respect for hackers with self control |
| 01:09.36 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/RessyM/status/556485402660712448 |
| 01:09.39 | znf | The bouncer process never got killed or anything, you'd be damned if that box wasn't in mint condition even if it was abandoned :D |
| 01:09.59 | znf | Ressy, what case is that? |
| 01:10.00 | Ressy | tons of space i that case. |
| 01:10.12 | Gnarfoz | Ressy: most cases don't have hinged doors, that's actually the rarer thing :p |
| 01:10.12 | Ressy | Corsair graphite 730t |
| 01:10.23 | Ressy | The doors make things so much easier |
| 01:10.32 | Gnarfoz | how? |
| 01:10.34 | Ressy | And theres a dust filter in the front |
| 01:10.37 | Amarande | dammit, why does everyone else's pc look so much neater than mine |
| 01:10.47 | Ressy | No trying to slide the damned doors back on & fight with it. |
| 01:10.52 | Gnarfoz | uhh |
| 01:10.56 | Gnarfoz | fight? |
| 01:10.58 | znf | Meh, 150â¬, out of stock |
| 01:10.59 | Gnarfoz | with a side panel |
| 01:11.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's the OCD people who are most likely to take pictures of the inside of their cases |
| 01:11.04 | znf | Why are all the things out of stock? |
| 01:11.05 | kd3 | if you're fighting with it, you've done something wrong |
| 01:11.08 | Ressy | yeah.. My old Antec 900, I had to fight it. |
| 01:11.14 | Iriel | Hinges would prevent me from opening my case without unplugging and re-locating the thing |
| 01:11.15 | Ressy | It was bent slightly in shipping |
| 01:11.24 | Iriel | I love slide off panels when the guide channels and locks arenât stupidly small |
| 01:11.34 | Ressy | Iriel, it hinges, then lifts right off. |
| 01:11.56 | Gnarfoz | so it's really a side panel with a retainer, not a door |
| 01:12.09 | znf | is vaping Blueberry Cheesecake |
| 01:12.10 | znf | not bad |
| 01:12.23 | znf | a bit too much on the sweet side, though |
| 01:12.25 | Gnarfoz | I'd take soem actual blueberry cheesecake |
| 01:12.29 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/RessyM/status/556261205866606593 |
| 01:12.40 | Ressy | Both doors hinge open, then lift off their hinges to be taken off completely. |
| 01:13.15 | znf | I bought 7 different flavors of e-liquid |
| 01:13.20 | znf | 3 I couldn't stand |
| 01:13.38 | znf | There was a chocolate one that made me feel like throwing up. Had to clean up the whole e-cig |
| 01:14.06 | Gnarfoz | znf: Torhal: http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/style/clothing/vaprwear-smokable-hoodies.asp |
| 01:14.08 | Amarande | e-liquid makes acquiring a nicotine habit sound interesting ... heh |
| 01:14.19 | znf | I smoke 0mg |
| 01:14.29 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: That is the vaper's equivalent of the beer hat. |
| 01:14.32 | Torhal | So not doing that. |
| 01:14.36 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:14.39 | Torhal | znf: You smoke nothing. |
| 01:14.40 | znf | that website is not loading |
| 01:14.43 | znf | Torhal, I vape! |
| 01:14.57 | Amarande | znf: as opposed to the days when you basically had to smoke it, which means gagging on smoke and the fact that your usual only flavours available are 'tobacco' and 'mentholated tobacco' |
| 01:15.11 | Amarande | not that I smoke or vape, heh |
| 01:15.11 | znf | I'm not a smoker |
| 01:15.14 | znf | I just picked up vaping |
| 01:15.55 | Amarande | I don't have the budget for that kind of habit these days |
| 01:16.03 | Amarande | hell I don't even have the budget right now to play wow |
| 01:16.20 | Amarande | or even get some higher end liquor instead of the occasional $1.29 pint can of beer |
| 01:16.23 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 01:16.26 | znf | eh http://i.imgur.com/rHXsHIF.png |
| 01:16.26 | Amarande | budgets suck! |
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| 01:16.54 | Amarande | znf: eu realms :( |
| 01:17.01 | Amarande | it's only a bit more than half that in america |
| 01:17.04 | znf | Gnarfoz, well, that certainly looks interesting, but wouldn't actually wear such a horribel crap :D |
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| 01:17.52 | znf | Amarande, it does indeed start getting a bit expensive when you start buying more batteries, different coils etc. |
| 01:18.04 | znf | I'm contemplating buying a new battery this week |
| 01:18.56 | znf | It's like having a personal hookah with you, everywhere! :D |
| 01:23.03 | Stanzilla | http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a7yz79q_460s.jpg |
| 01:23.16 | Stanzilla | oh wrong channel |
| 01:23.19 | Stanzilla | oh well |
| 01:25.30 | znf | also old |
| 01:27.44 | znf | heh, I just stumbled upon something mentioning JSONx |
| 01:27.49 | kullervo | yeah that's what one deserves for browsing 9gag |
| 01:27.56 | znf | every time I think about JSONx I giggle |
| 01:28.21 | Dagmar | Binary format JSON? |
| 01:28.35 | znf | no |
| 01:29.28 | znf | {"key": "value"} becomes something like <json:object><json:string name="key">value</json:string></json:object> |
| 01:29.33 | Dagmar | Okay. Having looked it up... I'm baffled |
| 01:30.19 | Iriel | Ah, itâs an IBM standard |
| 01:30.23 | Iriel | suddenly it all makes sense |
| 01:30.45 | foxlit | and now you can use native XPath! |
| 01:30.45 | Dagmar | I can only assume IBM has a lot of people who aren't allowed to install any new anythings, so if one box has no support for XML and another box has no support for JSON they can be sold an appliance to trivially translate them |
| 01:30.49 | Amarande | "how can we top EBCDIC today?" |
| 01:30.57 | Iriel | IBM have a LOT of XML-based tools and appliances |
| 01:34.18 | znf | well, no work for me tonight |
| 01:34.25 | znf | I procrastrinated to the fullest |
| 01:34.40 | znf | I should try sleeping, friends want me to go to the beach with them tomorow :-/ |
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| 04:04.36 | Iriel | Anyone else lost their bnet connection? |
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| 04:23.52 | kd3 | dns just fell over, but I think I can blame comcast for that |
| 04:24.04 | Iriel | Yeah, looks like theyâre having a massive routing issue |
| 04:24.17 | Iriel | (Based on a twitter search for âcomcastâ) |
| 04:24.30 | Iriel | (who are also my ISP) |
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| 04:24.32 | cogwheel | yeah, i can only get to a handful of sites |
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| 04:25.26 | kd3 | wait, why am I using comcast dns anyway? |
| 04:25.30 | kd3 | pokes his router |
| 04:26.01 | Iriel | I use googleâs DNS and I still canât GET to a bunch of sites |
| 04:26.56 | cogwheel | seems to be coming back a bit... |
| 04:27.19 | Iriel | Indeed, bnet connected again for me |
| 04:27.44 | cogwheel | i'm on opendns |
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| 04:29.40 | Iriel | heh - https://twitter.com/oshanada/status/604866410435612672 |
| 04:29.55 | kd3 | haha |
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| 04:32.28 | kd3 | oh, greater bay area folks, how much does a smog test generally run? |
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| 04:33.33 | Iriel | the web says $30 for my area |
| 04:33.56 | kd3 | hm, then I got gouged |
| 04:34.03 | Iriel | (with a coupon) |
| 04:34.12 | Iriel | So Iâm guessing somewhere in the 50-75 range without |
| 04:34.31 | kd3 | eh, I was going to say... paid north of 50 for mine |
| 04:34.46 | kd3 | I'm used to Georgia's ~$18 tests |
| 04:34.48 | Iriel | (And I see all of these deals have âPlus 8.25 for the state certâ) |
| 04:34.52 | Iriel | Welcome to california |
| 04:35.25 | kd3 | cali's are every other year, right? |
| 04:35.26 | Iriel | I drive a diesel car, I have to get it tested every year. |
| 04:36.30 | Iriel | And yes, every other year |
| 04:37.12 | Iriel | Actually, no, the diesel is still every other year, but it doesnât get a free pass for its first 6 years like other cars. |
| 04:37.30 | Iriel | found the facts - https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/vr/smogfaq#BM2535 |
| 04:37.58 | Dagmar | Damn canadians |
| 04:38.09 | Dagmar | I have to get mine tested every year |
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| 04:39.40 | Iriel | Iâve discovered that it takes them about as long to do a smog check as it does for me to buy groceries at the trader joes across the street. |
| 04:39.47 | Iriel | Which makes it a less time-wastey exercise |
| 04:40.15 | kd3 | yah, that kinda surprised me too. georgia's is ~5 minutes or less generally. plug into the OBD2, check the gas cap, out the door |
| 04:40.51 | Dagmar | Same here. |
| 04:41.39 | Dagmar | The car I sold last year didn't have OBD2 (1981 model) but it still didn't take more than about five minutes for the wand test |
| 04:42.14 | Dagmar | Now I'll be really happy if the next time I go both their data link and their supply of registration renewal stickers are in so I can _actually_ do both in one stop |
| 04:42.27 | Dagmar | Three years ago it worked, and it was _awesome_ |
| 04:43.16 | Dagmar | They were so pleased with it I watched the tech put the sticker on an old lady's tag so she wouldn't have to bend over to do it herself. |
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| 08:34.07 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/ORHQaaK.png |
| 08:54.27 | zenzelezz | mikma: :D |
| 08:58.52 | zenzelezz | I've always found it interesting that all the Norwegian "question words" (why ("hvorfor"), where ("hvor"), what ("hva"), who ("hvem"), how ("hvordan"), which ("hvilken/hvilket"), probably some I don't recall off the top of my head) start with a silent H |
| 08:59.04 | zenzelezz | but apparently back in the day (way back) they were pronounced |
| 09:00.08 | nevcairiel | which begs the question, how do you pronounce a leading h |
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| 09:00.52 | zenzelezz | pretty much like in English, such as in "hotel", "handball", etc. |
| 09:01.12 | zenzelezz | just sounds more convoluted before a V |
| 09:01.21 | nevcairiel | but in that case the sound of the "h" depends on the vowel following it |
| 09:01.26 | nevcairiel | a lone h has no sound |
| 09:01.51 | zenzelezz | a lone H is basically just a slightly strained exhalation |
| 09:02.27 | zenzelezz | obviously everything I say now is my opinion, nothing I can back up |
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| 09:14.38 | mikma | zenzelezz: (in norvegian) hah! |
| 09:14.46 | Semlar | bork bork bork |
| 09:14.53 | mikma | s/norvegian/norwegian/ |
| 09:22.13 | WrathTECH | How would I add the ALT key as a modififier to " if button == "LeftButton" " |
| 09:22.21 | WrathTECH | Want ALT+LeftClick |
| 09:23.15 | mikma | wrathtech: if IsAltKeyDown() and button == "LeftButton" then |
| 09:23.18 | zenzelezz | looks like they got the lightsail thing to respond |
| 09:23.31 | mikma | zenzelezz: apparently reboot was successfull |
| 09:23.48 | WrathTECH | Thank you very much mikma |
| 09:25.22 | WrathTECH | Didn't notice, only issue is there is multipe and statements with that. |
| 09:25.23 | WrathTECH | if IsAltKeyDown() and button == "ALT+LeftButton" and not self.isMoving then |
| 09:25.40 | WrathTECH | oops, forgot to take ALT+ out...... |
| 09:26.56 | zenzelezz | why is that an issue? |
| 09:27.55 | mikma | can't see an issue there |
| 09:30.53 | WrathTECH | I would assume you could also use IsCtrlKeyDown()?? |
| 09:31.38 | mikma | wrathtech: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsControlKeyDown |
| 09:32.37 | WrathTECH | Of course, Shift also, then why the heck is Alt not Alternate |
| 09:32.54 | WrathTECH | Programming could kill an OCD person. lol |
| 09:32.59 | mikma | because nobody ever calls it like that |
| 09:33.06 | WrathTECH | True |
| 09:33.07 | mikma | "alt control delete" |
| 09:41.06 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:58.35 | WrathTECH | Feels good to be back up and programming again, finally got triple monitors running, and my new desk setup xD |
| 10:00.55 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 10:44.52 | crudos | Hi, this is where I can ask questions for making an addon right? |
| 10:48.47 | mikma | yes |
| 10:58.16 | crudos | kk, I wanted to know if there are any resources that exist for creating an auto-completing edit box. Like a user would type an H or something and a drop down menu with 5-10 entries would show up that start with an H. |
| 11:00.24 | mikma | wow ui sources and wowprogramming.com |
| 11:06.12 | nebula169 | crudos: in particular, https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/19865/AutoComplete.xml for how blizzard does it, but basically just an editbox that has script handlers for OnChar/OnTextChanged/etc |
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| 16:28.10 | fewyn | http://adios-hola.org/ |
| 16:32.47 | Dagmar | yeah, I'm kind of surprised by that |
| 16:36.01 | fewyn | i'm not |
| 16:36.16 | fewyn | one of the reasons i never trusted it really |
| 16:36.20 | zenzelezz | never heard of Hola before o_O |
| 16:36.45 | fewyn | i know a lot of people who use it |
| 16:36.52 | fewyn | i've always used traditional vpns instead |
| 16:36.53 | Fisker | I said the same thing about mediahint |
| 16:39.13 | Fisker | If you really want to pirate stuff just go ahead and do it instead of paying for it and using dubious programs to do it |
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| 16:42.10 | Stanzilla | hola was more used for avoiding country restrictions on legal content by most of the people I know |
| 16:44.06 | Fisker | They were not country restrictions but licensing restrictions |
| 16:49.50 | fewyn | the people i knew who used it lived in canda or europe to access us netflix |
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| 19:11.27 | foxlit | warsong commander + frothing berserker + armorsmith + grim patron + whirlwind + whirlwind. |
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| 19:46.35 | karl_w_w | isn't that like 15 mana foxlit? |
| 19:47.02 | foxlit | you play emperor whatshisface the turn before, and throw in some inner rages for added insult |
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| 21:31.16 | Amarande | hm. I have to say I rather agree with some of these anti-Blizzard forum posters now as well. specifically on this argument - that flying is removed because basically Blizzard wants the game played in a specific fashion, and not how players choose to play it :| |
| 21:31.21 | Amarande | you know what bugs me about that notion too |
| 21:31.34 | Amarande | it seems like gaming in general has been trying to move in that direction increasingly lately |
| 21:31.52 | Amarande | used to be games, especially RPGs, gave you quite a lot of freedom in how to go about attempting the game's goals |
| 21:32.04 | Amarande | nowadays there seems this ever increasing impetus towards keeping the player on rails :( |
| 21:32.17 | Amarande | what happened to gaming? |
| 21:33.12 | zenzelezz | this just in: developers want games to work their way |
| 21:33.15 | zenzelezz | news at 11 |
| 21:33.42 | nevcairiel | instead, you should rather be happy that blizzard is willing to make controversial changes for the sake of the game, instead of following some crowd-pleasing tactic |
| 21:36.02 | nevcairiel | its always a good sign that a game is still alive and kicking |
| 21:36.30 | Amarande | zenzelezz: compare say the first nine Final Fantasy games (where you get pretty much total freedom to wander the landscape, albeit sometimes in stages) with X and XIII in particular |
| 21:37.03 | Amarande | actually X still had some considerable amount of freedom, as seen by all the challenge playthroughs that see just how fine of a shoestring you can let your characters use in terms of power and still win, but XIII on the other hand is pretty much the poster child for rails in practically every sense |
| 21:37.16 | zenzelezz | Amarande: fuck Final Fantasy |
| 21:37.54 | Amarande | or DOOM, where part of the design POINT was getting you to explore the levels thoroughly (including things like all those secret rooms!), vs. modern FPS where either deviating from the marked path results in a booming RETURN TO THE COMBAT AREA!!! or else it's like HL2 where you basically just don't have the chance TO leave the marked path |
| 21:38.31 | zenzelezz | so go play a sandbox if that's your ideal |
| 21:38.42 | zenzelezz | WoW never claimed to be anything like it |
| 21:38.45 | Amarande | or even the earlier days of WoW vs. now |
| 21:39.08 | Amarande | there was a far more encouraging attitude placed towards exploration and all that in earlier xpacks, now it seems like they want you on rails to the latest raid as soon as possible |
| 21:39.43 | zenzelezz | at this point I'm just going to say what I tell people in World of Tanks, QQ |
| 21:39.44 | nevcairiel | early wow just had loads of unfinished/unused areas, but exploring those gained you nothing .. other then having been there |
| 21:40.20 | Amarande | ... or am I actually having dawn on me the reason why so many other MMOs that I've always sung the praises of have ended up having to go Free to Play, while WoW still manages to be successful in its original model? :S |
| 21:41.28 | Amarande | because if you don't channel the bulk of the playerbase to the same endgame (because you want to make world exploration and leveling more rewarding), you end up with so few players being raid-ready at the same time that everyone drops off the top end and unsubs for want of something to do? |
| 21:42.03 | nevcairiel | in fact, the whole rewards for exploring thing only really started with mists of pandaria with the hidden treasures, and was greatly increased in WoD .. can't be helped if people install addons to find all treasures in an hour or two, but you could just explore the world and find them on your own =p |
| 21:43.13 | Amarande | nevcairiel: that's probably a failing of the MMO model ... in a competitive multiplayer environment, you may not even know most of the treasures even exist, because there's no real clue unless you're lucky enough to stumble on them while they're still up and no one else has got there yet |
| 21:43.43 | Amarande | (and yeah, there are times when I've wondered if the PvE MMO environment is starting to become a dying paradigm) |
| 21:45.11 | nevcairiel | It was advertised by Blizzard that there are treasures to be found if you go look for them, so if you like exploring the world, you had all the info you needed to do it. you dont need flying to do that, in fact, flying makes certain aspect of exploration so much more boring |
| 21:46.01 | nevcairiel | the only people that complain about no-flying are those that want the treasures anyway, but don't want to actually explore for them |
| 21:46.30 | Amarande | Yeah, that seems to be another crux, the stance of people on each side of the fence about being able to avoid the monsters while looking for the treasures |
| 21:47.00 | Amarande | Pro-flyers think this is a good thing because it means you can actually focus on the world itself and searching for your quarry, while anti-flyers say "now you don't have to fight anything or face any dangers, how boring" |
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| 21:50.51 | zenzelezz | I sometimes hate you World of Tanks. Mission: "spot enemies, letting your allies cause 4000 damage to enemy vehicles". "Cool, I'll give it a go". "BTW, we're putting three more scouts in the game, LULZ" |
| 21:50.53 | Amarande | nevcairiel: also I think a lot of people were prepared to accept no flying in Draenor, but find the whole "AND NEVER AGAIN" addition to be too harsh |
| 21:51.44 | zenzelezz | have you talked to a lot of people about it, or is this just your speculation? |
| 21:51.58 | zenzelezz | forums don't count |
| 21:52.09 | Amarande | zenzelezz: World of Tanks looked interesting, then I read about the cash shop and how heavily pay to win it seems to be (seriously, to get good AMMO you have to buy it for real cash on a per unit basis??) and then never quite was interested anymore :( |
| 21:52.35 | zenzelezz | you haven't looked at it for a very long time then |
| 21:52.38 | Amarande | forums don't count? since when? forums are the primary means in which non-real-time discussion is held by scattered distant groups on the internet |
| 21:52.49 | zenzelezz | been a year and a half, or more, where you can buy premium ammo for in-game credits |
| 21:53.30 | zenzelezz | what they earn money from now is that people love to put camo paint and insignias on their tanks |
| 21:54.00 | zenzelezz | Amarande: forums is the primary place where disgruntled players go |
| 21:55.03 | nevcairiel | many online discussions about "issues" in a game are usually driven only by the disgruntled players, most happy players wont even know such a discussion exists, since they wont go look for it |
| 21:55.07 | Amarande | zenzelezz: discussion in general will always be biased that way, people in general grouse more than they cheer |
| 21:55.31 | nevcairiel | which is why you will never have any kind of even remotely accurate image |
| 21:55.33 | zenzelezz | Amarande: hence why I asked if you have talked to a lot of people outside of forums to base this claim of yours |
| 21:56.01 | Amarande | do keep in mind that these flying argument threads are maxing out rapidly and are getting tens of thousands of reads as well |
| 21:56.04 | zenzelezz | granted you said "think", so it's not necessarily wrong |
| 21:56.47 | zenzelezz | getting thousands of reads doesn't mean they have thousands of supporters |
| 21:57.58 | zenzelezz | I'm entirely prepared to be wrong; it's happened lots of times, but I recall far more "flying ruined WoW!" threads than "removing flying sucks!" |
| 21:58.34 | Amarande | hm, I don't recall anyone really claiming flying ruined WoW |
| 21:58.55 | Amarande | in fact, the only anti-flying argument I can really think of myself is that it makes things easier for gather bots, but garrisons have kind of obsoleted traditional gathering anyway at the relevant end sooo ... |
| 21:59.59 | zenzelezz | among the opponents of flying, a number felt it made the world feel empty |
| 22:00.10 | Amarande | the big sticking point at least seems to be, "people had all kinds of different play styles and flying added to that choice, now Blizzard is trying to put us back on the rails" |
| 22:00.46 | nevcairiel | the proper term is "on the ground", you can still move freely :P |
| 22:01.29 | Amarande | zenzelezz: people blamed flying for that? that's pretty much the fault of garrisons, it probably wouldn't matter a jot if you could fly in draenor in that regard |
| 22:01.36 | Amarande | even Orgrimmar is a ghost town lately |
| 22:01.47 | zenzelezz | Amarande: this was as far back as WotLK |
| 22:02.50 | Amarande | the other thing bothering people is how long it's taking to get from place to place now, apparently |
| 22:03.51 | Amarande | as in, either having to take inefficient flight paths (which is pure and utter down time, plus if you run Fullscreen you can't even alt-tab ...) or being constantly accosted by menial mobs on the way (but high enough level that if you try to just ride by you'll get dazed and have to stop and fight) |
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| 22:04.12 | Amarande | especially folks whose wow time is already limited |
| 22:04.16 | zenzelezz | if you have issues with full screen and alt-tabbing, then just set it to windowed full-screen |
| 22:04.34 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, that's what I do, although there's probably some folks who need it full screen for some reason (and I know Nvidia recommends it) |
| 22:04.55 | zenzelezz | really? |
| 22:05.12 | Amarande | yup. if you have it set windowed fullscreen the nvidia game optimiser will tell you it's not optimised and you should select fullscreen |
| 22:06.10 | Amarande | not sure about AMD, I found that whole Gaming Evolved thing to not suit my style when I had a Radeon, it felt too much like bloatware |
| 22:06.20 | zenzelezz | oh, I see... I've never used those programs in a decade |
| 22:06.53 | zenzelezz | uncheck everything except the base driver |
| 22:07.01 | Amarande | no player controlled flight does make it take longer when you're just trying to get from A to B, though. that is very much valid. |
| 22:07.18 | Amarande | I still remember in the olden days of BC it took close to 15-20 minutes to report to Kara |
| 22:07.27 | zenzelezz | basically you want instant teleportation to anywhere |
| 22:07.45 | Amarande | since you had to take that nice scenic flight from undercity to stonard which was 11.5min, and then the walk to kara itself |
| 22:08.14 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I'm quite sure I could reach Stonard from Undercity on a 310 (maybe even 280) mount in well under 11 and a half minutes |
| 22:08.24 | Amarande | (plus I wouldn't even need to stop at Stonard, I could fly straight to Kara) |
| 22:08.37 | zenzelezz | that has nothing at all to do with what I said |
| 22:09.05 | Amarande | what people are noting is it already took time to get between places as it is, and it's increased significantly by not being able to fly your own mount |
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| 22:09.51 | zenzelezz | then tell them to find a single-player game like Skyrim and use teleportation mods |
| 22:09.57 | Amarande | either because you're stuck at half the speed (max ground vs. max flying) plus have to keep stopping to fight, or because the flight paths tend to take the scenic route (and I'm not even sure they're notably faster than 280-310 flying as it is) |
| 22:10.32 | Amarande | maybe it's time to replace the oldschool flight path system with a pay-and-teleport system like ffxiv has? |
| 22:10.58 | zenzelezz | the more you say, the more it sounds to me like you have some other favorite game(s) that you feel WoW should be |
| 22:11.43 | Amarande | zenzelezz: you haven't told me how it actually benefits the game to force people to take longer to get from A to B |
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| 22:11.59 | zenzelezz | Amarande: you haven't told me how it does |
| 22:12.07 | Amarande | (except in terms of Blizzard's pockets, since in the aggregate, the longer it takes you to do X, Y, and Z, the less of it you can do in a month and thus the longer you'll stay subbed if you want to do it all) |
| 22:12.08 | zenzelezz | you've told me opinions of people who complain online |
| 22:12.33 | Iriel | My experience is that few people want to do it all. |
| 22:12.45 | Iriel | Based on how many of my friends insult me for my completionist tendencies |
| 22:13.05 | Amarande | Iriel: wow ... I actually tended to think completionism was the norm |
| 22:13.11 | Constie | I think if you successfully convince zenzelezz of this Blizzard will probably change their minds. |
| 22:13.20 | zenzelezz | :D |
| 22:13.21 | Iriel | I think a lot of folks just want to have fun |
| 22:13.26 | Amarande | especially in this modern day and age of games with achievements and trophies |
| 22:13.45 | Iriel | I could be wrong, maybe my circle of friends is abnormal in the other direction. |
| 22:13.46 | zenzelezz | Constie: I don't even entirely disagree with him, I just don't like the way he presents his arguments |
| 22:14.07 | zenzelezz | (I *mostly* disagree, but not completely - he has valid points, sometimes) |
| 22:15.03 | Amarande | zenzelezz: as I noted previously ... if you control your flying mount you can take a straight as the crow flies path at up to about double the speed you can ever do with a ground mount, to the destination |
| 22:15.14 | zenzelezz | Amarande: ... and? |
| 22:15.34 | nevcairiel | that sounds entirely like convenience instead of freedom =p |
| 22:15.57 | Amarande | if you cannot do so, you must either use the flight paths (which lose a lot of time in taking scenic detours compared to a straight path), or you must use a ground mount (where not only is your potential speed cut in half, but you have mobs and terrain to deal with too) |
| 22:16.04 | Amarande | in either case it's going to take a lot longer |
| 22:16.30 | Iriel | Wouldnât you agree that sometimes constraints are what make things more interesting? |
| 22:16.47 | Iriel | Itâs not that big a leap from âI demand to flyâ to âI demand to be able to click on any point in a map to fast travel there' |
| 22:17.03 | Amarande | Iriel: I think the trouble is people mainly want things to be interesting at the destination location :) |
| 22:17.53 | Iriel | Amarande: I guess - to me itâs the difference between a âworldâ and a series of canned encounters |
| 22:17.57 | zenzelezz | all I keep hearing is "people think it takes too long to get around", "Blizzard just wants to rush people to end game"... I don't see how those two don't conflict. And I can only imagine how much fun the "takes too long between patches!" discussions would be if they made it even faster to get around |
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| 22:18.28 | Iriel | Most of the time âPeople thinkâ really means âI think' |
| 22:18.40 | Stanzilla | fellow nvidia graphics card users, here's your treat of the day http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=563995 |
| 22:18.54 | zenzelezz | Iriel: that's basically where this discussion (between me and him) started :D |
| 22:19.16 | Iriel | steps back from the 3rd rail and hopes itâs not too late 8-) |
| 22:19.18 | Amarande | Iriel: also after a while you've experienced the world, but you still need to travel to get to your weekly grind |
| 22:19.40 | Amarande | and some folks don't have all the time in the world to play wow |
| 22:19.58 | Iriel | And those folks are the ones who think a weekly grind is their best use of their time? |
| 22:20.14 | Amarande | I know this well myself, when I raided in ICC10, our second raid night of the week ended up being placed at 8:00 on Thursday evenings |
| 22:20.30 | Amarande | and at the time I worked till 7:30 on many a Thursday and got home maybe 5 minutes before I had to be there |
| 22:20.58 | Iriel | PResumably you used some other night of the week to get yourself prepared, when time wasnât critical? |
| 22:21.00 | Amarande | In Wrath, that worked out just fine, since it was a really quick matter to get from Dalaran to ICC thanks to flying |
| 22:21.43 | Iriel | Also, warlocks. |
| 22:21.57 | Amarande | hah |
| 22:22.03 | Amarande | you should have seen the class diversity in this raid, or lack of same |
| 22:22.13 | Iriel | Sounds like you had a ton of other problems |
| 22:22.22 | Amarande | I think it was like 4 druids, 1-2 warriors, 1-2 DKs, couple priests and pallies |
| 22:22.25 | Amarande | and a mage |
| 22:23.00 | phelps | I did ICC with all druids except for 2 fights I think |
| 22:23.05 | Amarande | can't recall we ever had a regular warlock, one of the GM's alts was a rogue but wasn't always played |
| 22:23.21 | Amarande | we had an off-and-on shaman who would come help us from another guild when we needed to fill in a 10th |
| 22:23.29 | Amarande | and I think there was maybe one week the whole time when we ever had a hunter |
| 22:23.39 | Amarande | (and yes, we DID get a fairly steady stream of mail armour and ranged weapons ... LOL) |
| 22:23.39 | Iriel | The point I was TRYING to make is that there are mechanisms to solve the âget togetherâ problem, including in-game mechanics and forward planning. |
| 22:24.11 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing Amarande and I somehow never encountered the same groups of people |
| 22:24.24 | Amarande | zenzelezz: europe or us realms? |
| 22:24.52 | zenzelezz | I at least heard people whine about every time they changed transportation; meeting stones, instance teleportation, flying mounts |
| 22:25.14 | zenzelezz | even when they added flight paths all over the continents, but that one I didn't quite understand |
| 22:25.21 | Iriel | I think that âI at least heard people whine about X every time they changed Xâ is a tautology |
| 22:25.23 | Amarande | yeah, I don't get most of those complaints |
| 22:25.24 | zenzelezz | except that it made the flight map horrible |
| 22:25.41 | zenzelezz | Iriel: absolutely |
| 22:25.45 | Amarande | meeting stones? the only thing I can think bad about that is if you were a vanilla warlock who sucked so bad that the only reason you were kept around was to summon people and hand out healthstones |
| 22:26.33 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I didn't say I agreed with those things :-p Flying is the only one I've never liked |
| 22:27.48 | zenzelezz | as much as I dislike different aspects of different MMOs, I've come to realize I just have peculiar opinions and will have to make do :D |
| 22:27.50 | Amarande | I praise flying mounts every time I level a new alt, especially horde side |
| 22:28.06 | Amarande | it makes hellfire orders of magnitude more bearable :) |
| 22:28.11 | zenzelezz | oh yeah; being able to use mounts before 40, that was also a complaint I heard |
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| 22:28.37 | zenzelezz | really don't agree with that one myself, 20 is fine |
| 22:28.47 | Amarande | yeah that one sounds like grumpy grognard grapes over newer players not having to deal with the barrens the same way that we used to :) |
| 22:29.16 | Iriel | Or when Darnassus only had one mailbox |
| 22:30.06 | Amarande | Iriel: during the great elf break-up, the blood elves stole them all :) |
| 22:30.27 | Iriel | Bastards! |
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| 22:32.09 | zenzelezz | I wonder how much work went into making Silvermoon and... that draenei city. Some of the original capital cities were already low on travellers; the new ones didn't last long, if at all |
| 22:32.20 | Amarande | Exodar |
| 22:32.36 | Amarande | I think they expected them to be more popular |
| 22:33.06 | Iriel | They did okay when they were new |
| 22:33.27 | Amarande | Silvermoon survived a lot better than Exodar, certainly |
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| 22:34.27 | Amarande | probably because of the fact that Ghostlands was so heavily recommended for 10-20 for years |
| 22:34.37 | Amarande | I don't think anyone really recommended otherwise until post-cata |
| 22:35.08 | Amarande | ghostlands had better loot and much better quest flow |
| 22:37.49 | Amarande | also you actually revisited Ghostlands later on, thanks to Zul'Aman |
| 22:38.04 | Amarande | you never had any reason to go back to the Draenei islands unless you were a hunter and wanted certain pets |
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| 22:55.08 | WrathTECH | So I got SavedVariables to save at PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD, but it seems I am having an issue loading/initializing them. using print(savedvarname) keeps reporting nil |
| 22:55.32 | Iriel | WHEN are you printing it? |
| 22:57.43 | WrathTECH | Near the start, I just don't know how to mget the SavefdVariables to load up correctly. |
| 22:58.14 | WrathTECH | The print is in a ScriptOnMouseDown to run it. |
| 22:58.51 | Iriel | Hm, if the print is in something you trigger manually then it /should/ work |
| 22:59.15 | Iriel | Is your variable global? do you have any code that could nil it out after it got set? have you checked itâs actually saved in the SV file? |
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| 22:59.33 | WrathTECH | My Lua file in the SaveVaariables does update when I modify the variable,. |
| 22:59.52 | WrathTECH | *In the SavedVariables folder |
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| 23:07.31 | Semlar | you don't have to do anything to load your saved variables |
| 23:09.43 | WrathTECH | That's what I thought. |
| 23:13.20 | Semlar | when ADDON_LOADED fires for your addon, your variables are accessible |
| 23:14.26 | WrathTECH | Hrmm. Whats a good addon that lets you drag a frame, and saves the location in a saved variable? I need to look at someone elses and see what I am doing wrong. |
| 23:15.21 | nevcairiel | we have a library for that, called LibWindow |
| 23:15.25 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libwindow-1-1/ |
| 23:16.12 | nevcairiel | (because properly saving positions isnt as trivial as it sounds) |
| 23:16.29 | Semlar | eh |
| 23:16.36 | Semlar | i just let the client handle that |
| 23:16.55 | Gnarfoz | you better never disable your addon |
| 23:17.17 | Semlar | why would that wipe out the settings |
| 23:17.24 | Gnarfoz | ask Blizzard? |
| 23:17.46 | WrathTECH | I have a few addons that reset their position if disabled... really annoying |
| 23:18.10 | Semlar | i don't know, i never disable any addons i use |
| 23:18.16 | nevcairiel | even without disabling the addon, it randomly loses position for me |
| 23:18.25 | Stanzilla | also uiscale |
| 23:18.28 | nevcairiel | probably related to having the addon disabled on one character and i never noticed that |
| 23:18.47 | Semlar | now i have had that happen but only in an addon i've been working on and had an error in it |
| 23:19.00 | nevcairiel | its f'ing annoying in any case |
| 23:19.05 | Semlar | and who changes their ui scale |
| 23:19.18 | WrathTECH | SLTimex is one of them |
| 23:19.24 | Stanzilla | nobody |
| 23:19.34 | Stanzilla | and their 6million friends |
| 23:20.53 | Stanzilla | (many people do because they dont know better) |
| 23:21.01 | Stanzilla | (i.e. scaling individual parts of the UI is possible) |
| 23:25.04 | Iriel | I frequently scale my UI |
| 23:25.33 | WrathTECH | Yeah I normally bring mine to the minimum then configure my UI from there |
| 23:25.35 | Iriel | Generally big monitor + decent eyesight |
| 23:25.37 | Constie | Is that a euphemism? |
| 23:25.51 | Iriel | Constie: no but it probably should be |
| 23:26.56 | Torhal | Semlar: You're a slacker, so your statement makes perfect sense. |
| 23:27.18 | Semlar | my bigwigs is more than 120 revisions out of date |
| 23:27.31 | Semlar | it lets me know every time someone joins the raid |
| 23:27.32 | WrathTECH | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15098760248 |
| 23:27.40 | WrathTECH | This appears to do exactly what I want. |
| 23:28.07 | Semlar | i literally just use SetUserPlaced on the frame |
| 23:28.14 | Constie | Semlar is so lazy he just upgrades his CPU whenever his gigantic list of addons he never reduces slows WoW down too much. |
| 23:28.26 | Semlar | releases |
| 23:28.37 | Constie | Also that. |
| 23:28.38 | Gnarfoz | Constie: if only that worked |
| 23:28.41 | Semlar | >_> |
| 23:29.21 | WrathTECH | Constie: If your computer can't handle 180 addons like mine, you best upgrade xD |
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| 23:29.53 | WrathTECH | lol, back in a few peeps |
| 23:30.21 | Constie | OK. |
| 23:30.21 | kd3 | right. barring a power outage or comcast falling over, my pi should be online 24/7 from now on. everything on the network path is plugged into a UPS now |
| 23:30.54 | Gnarfoz | why not put it on the UPS, too? |
| 23:31.17 | kd3 | it's on the ups, but the battery's only probably got about 10 minutes of runtime |
| 23:33.14 | WrathTECH | Back |
| 23:34.13 | Amarande | just don't overzealously go and put the UPS on the UPS :) |
| 23:34.29 | Amarande | (I'm guessing that mistake might lead to magic smoke?) |
| 23:35.11 | WrathTECH | Smoke? Smoke! Yummy. |
| 23:35.27 | Dagmar | Also, much hilarity |
| 23:35.32 | WrathTECH | ^^^ |
| 23:35.51 | Dagmar | UPS feeding a UPS won't make magic smoke, but it's definitely power-wasteful |
| 23:36.14 | WrathTECH | kd3: What all do you have hooked up to the UPS? |
| 23:36.28 | Dagmar | I've moved my own servers before by daisy-chaining UPSes in the back seat of my car |
| 23:36.39 | kd3 | on the battery side, my case, one of the monitors, the modem, router, and pi |
| 23:36.56 | WrathTECH | Ahh, sounds like you need a much larger unit. |
| 23:37.02 | Dagmar | With 320 days of uptime, you can bet your ass I was not going to let moving to a new location break the year |
| 23:37.02 | WrathTECH | So spendy thought :S |
| 23:37.34 | WrathTECH | Dagmar: That sounds like a very eventful trip. |
| 23:37.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: you know you're obsessed over uptime when ... |
| 23:37.57 | Dagmar | I keep my cablemodem, cable tuner, and router on their own UPS simply for circuit isolation |
| 23:38.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hey I had the uPSes spare |
| 23:38.15 | Dagmar | This is Nashville. Fuckin' lightning man. |
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| 23:38.34 | Dagmar | If you don't buy UPSes, over a ten year span you're basically _going_ to lose equipment |
| 23:38.35 | WrathTECH | Wishing I had that last year, lightning struck the house. |
| 23:39.02 | WrathTECH | Amazingly, no computers or equipment died cept our DVD player and a smoke detector. |
| 23:39.21 | Amarande | WrathTECH: pretty much no normal surge protector or UPS really works against DLS anyway |
| 23:39.29 | Dagmar | You should probably scrutinize the ground connctions on your outlets carefully then |
| 23:39.31 | Amarande | house-level surge protector maybe, that's about it |
| 23:39.53 | Dagmar | We've had a strike that actually fused wires in the wall |
| 23:39.56 | WrathTECH | Oh we went through every pissing thing we could. |
| 23:40.06 | Dagmar | First we knew of it was 45 minutes later when the UPS was complaining about the lack of incoming power |
| 23:40.17 | Dagmar | 60VAC is a terrifying thing to see coming from a wall outlet |
| 23:40.22 | WrathTECH | Fire dept had a heat scanner and checked all the walls also. |
| 23:40.35 | Dagmar | WrathTECH: That won't show a bad ground |
| 23:40.49 | WrathTECH | No, but it's a start if there is a short |
| 23:40.59 | WrathTECH | Would be a hotspot in the wall. |
| 23:41.00 | Dagmar | You should be seein' less than 2 ohms from neutral to ground |
| 23:41.20 | Dagmar | 50-100 ohms, everything will work fine, but your stuff won't handle overcurrent properly at all |
| 23:42.09 | WrathTECH | Didn't check the ohms, that's one thing I don't have oddly, a multimiter. But the last year, no issues. |
| 23:42.28 | Dagmar | Very little household stuff will even care if the neutral and hot lines are swapped, but once again, this is where a UPS will scream bloody murder |
| 23:43.31 | WrathTECH | Honestly, I've never had a UPS, not much reason to when you don't have a web server or anything thats hosted online. |
| 23:43.56 | kd3 | try living in an area with a pathetic grid |
| 23:44.01 | WrathTECH | I do how ever want to create a very small web server for my addons I deveolop over time. Just as a personal touch for my portfolio. |
| 23:44.02 | kd3 | brownouts, blackouts, etc |
| 23:44.38 | WrathTECH | Yeah this place isn't bad kd3. If anything it's the damned squirrles that keep getting on the lines ad shorting the power lines out. LOL |
| 23:45.25 | WrathTECH | Was playing a hardcore toon the other day on D3, power went out... while fighting a boss. Amazingly, he didn't die. |
| 23:48.24 | Amarande | yeah squirrels are nature's original terrorists :P |
| 23:48.30 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 23:48.36 | Amarande | WrathTECH, sounds like you need to up the torment tier then |
| 23:48.52 | WrathTECH | Nah, still leveling |
| 23:49.06 | WrathTECH | Currently 68, so close, so grindy. >.> |
