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| 02:22.57 | WrathTECH | Evening fellow zombies. |
| 02:26.47 | WrathTECH | Sheehs, I was only kidding... one would think everyone really was zombies. *crickets* |
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| 03:06.51 | WrathTECH | Would 850w power supply be enough to power a i7, dual sli 980gtx video cards, 1 ssd (no hdd or cd drives), and a 670gtx? |
| 03:07.15 | WrathTECH | i would expect im getting a bit close without the 670gtx |
| 03:11.25 | Dagmar | There are many websites you can just punch those specs in and find out |
| 03:14.00 | WrathTECH | Yes, but I don't really trust them. They all tend to say different from each other by quite a bit. |
| 03:14.44 | WrathTECH | Which of the sites do you tend to trust most, Dagmar? |
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| 03:42.16 | WrathTECH | Well, sites are saying 630-680w needed, should be good then. |
| 03:42.47 | WrathTECH | Good, I can get rid of this generic pos card I found in a dumpster for my 2nd and 3rd monitors. |
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| 03:58.12 | Kowh | For an easy guesstimate if you add up all the TDPs for the bits and the total is less than your PSU, you're fine. |
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| 04:00.46 | Gethe | ugh, decoupling RealUI is such a pain :( |
| 04:01.15 | Kowh | Is there any code that isn't a pain to decouple? |
| 04:01.56 | Gethe | i'm sure, but this is my first |
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| 04:59.51 | Shirik | Kowh: code that was designed well in the first place? |
| 05:01.18 | cogwheel | in which case you probably wouldn't be tasked with decoupling |
| 05:01.42 | Kowh | Positing that such code exists, you probably wouldn't be decoupling it then. |
| 05:02.23 | Kowh | You extend it to add a new module, or whatever. |
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| 05:45.47 | VIad | idea for awesome Postal pluigin: mail habits, i.e. let's say I always mail some type of item, or specific items to my character X, make it easier to do so! :D |
| 05:50.18 | WrathTECH | I'd also like to see a "Send gold to banker toon w/ keep x amount gold on toon" option. |
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| 05:57.21 | Kowh | VIad: TSM does that, with a rather hard to use UI though. |
| 05:57.49 | VIad | perhaps a "Banking" plugin for Postal to make it even more awesome |
| 05:57.52 | VIad | what is TSM? |
| 05:58.03 | Kowh | Setup predefined groups of items, and which character they get mailed to. Then at the mailbox you press one button and it mails all of those items to all of the characters. |
| 05:58.41 | Kowh | TradeSkillMaster |
| 05:58.49 | Kowh | Sort of a framework with plugins |
| 05:59.25 | Kowh | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/tradeskill-master |
| 06:00.04 | Kowh | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/tradeskillmaster_mailing is the specific module |
| 06:00.46 | Kowh | I use it for that, and as a queue for crafting (with the dailies automatically added). |
| 06:01.28 | VIad | seems like the TSM mailing is standalone? |
| 06:01.30 | Kowh | Figuring out how to get TSM to do something (and if it can do something) is a pain though. |
| 06:01.56 | Kowh | Yeah, you can use it without the other TSM bits. Still need the core though. |
| 06:07.53 | Kowh | https://lunchmoneyenterprises.wordpress.com/tsm-2-the-ultimate-guide/tsm-2-the-ultimate-guide-part-5-mailing-operations-distribution/ <-- Simplest guide I could find. |
| 06:08.06 | Kowh | Still more than you need. I just have one group per char. |
| 06:10.11 | Kowh | E.g. I have a group for my tailoring alt, and in that group of items are all the tailoring mats. I set up a simple "operation" as they call it to just mail everything to that alt. |
| 06:12.37 | Kowh | So whenever I go to a mailbox I can open the TSM Groups tab and click "Send all mail" or whatever the button is called. |
| 06:13.20 | Kowh | Pretty sure you can configure it to do the gold thing too, but I haven't tried. |
| 06:15.06 | Kowh | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/tradeskillmaster_cooldowns is the auto-queing I mentioned. |
| 06:16.25 | Kowh | Anything checked gets added to your queue automatically upon CD, and can then just open the crafting windows and click "Craft next" under the queue until all your dailies (for that char) are done. |
| 06:17.27 | Kowh | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/tradeskillmaster_destroying is good for bulk DE/milling |
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| 09:27.18 | drazisil | so I seem to have made an addon that crashes wow...how would I even troubleshoot that? |
| 09:27.43 | karl_w_w | https://www.humblebundle.com/ what the fuck is this shit? |
| 09:27.52 | karl_w_w | The Humble Nindie Bundle is region-locked and can only be redeemed on North, Central, and South American Wii U and 3DS consoles (with the exception of Brazil). See full list of countries here. |
| 09:28.04 | karl_w_w | surely that's like against the spirit of humble or something |
| 09:28.33 | Semlar | drazisil: presumably it's from a recent change you made to the code |
| 09:29.33 | Semlar | there are 2 ways to crash the game; if it stops responding it's from an infinite loop, and if it gives an actual error message it's from a bad api cal |
| 09:29.36 | Semlar | l |
| 09:29.57 | drazisil | It's an illeagal access error |
| 09:30.19 | Semlar | what does your script do |
| 09:30.32 | Semlar | or just post it |
| 09:30.41 | drazisil | sure, one sec |
| 09:32.26 | drazisil | https://gist.github.com/drazisil/aad812ca84f8841f9856 |
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| 09:35.40 | Semlar | at what point does it crash the client |
| 09:35.47 | nebula169 | you know you're using add double line, with only one line? can't be arsed to actually trouble shoot, but that looked /shades fishy |
| 09:36.11 | drazisil | the second wow tried to load it |
| 09:36.19 | Semlar | so as soon as you log in it crashes |
| 09:36.21 | drazisil | and I'm using double. |
| 09:36.22 | drazisil | yes |
| 09:36.29 | nebula169 | ah, i see |
| 09:36.39 | Semlar | on live? |
| 09:36.51 | drazisil | PCF.L_get_fish_name(111671) is the first, "Enormous Abyssal Gulper Eel" is the second |
| 09:36.53 | drazisil | and yes |
| 09:37.22 | Semlar | this file by itself is not crashing my game but it probably also isn't completely loading |
| 09:37.45 | drazisil | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/pcfishing/ if you want the whole thing |
| 09:38.03 | nebula169 | Stanzilla you test ora cd recently? i'm think i'm pretty close to being happy enough with it to release it |
| 09:38.11 | drazisil | the only other file is the localization...but it does need Total Panel and Auctionator as well |
| 09:38.25 | drazisil | Titan* |
| 09:41.32 | Semlar | welp it does crash the game |
| 09:41.54 | drazisil | I know...isn't that supposed to be impossible? |
| 09:42.12 | Semlar | not impossible, just difficult |
| 09:42.21 | drazisil | I'm...special. x.x |
| 09:43.12 | Semlar | it's not that file though |
| 09:43.12 | drazisil | any thoughts? I'm barly doing anything...not sure what to supect |
| 09:43.47 | drazisil | something in titan panel or aunctionar then? |
| 09:43.53 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 09:44.15 | Semlar | but it's not from PCFishing.lua |
| 09:44.25 | Semlar | because i deleted the entire file and it's still crashing |
| 09:44.59 | drazisil | The heck? is it Localization.lua? That's my only other file |
| 09:45.14 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 09:45.37 | Semlar | theoretically one of the files it's trying to load could be corrupted somehow |
| 09:46.06 | drazisil | Do I have anything stupid in the toc? |
| 09:47.50 | Semlar | it appears to be the xml file |
| 09:48.57 | Semlar | but.. i don't know why |
| 09:50.27 | drazisil | I think...it's calling functions I renamed |
| 09:50.34 | Semlar | that shouldn't do it |
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| 09:50.57 | Semlar | but then again, it shouldn't be crashing |
| 09:52.49 | Semlar | alright well it's definitely being caused by the function it's trying to call in the onload tag |
| 09:53.07 | nebula169 | doesn't crash for me, i removed the deps so i didn't have to get them |
| 09:53.14 | nebula169 | 3x AceLocale-3.0-6: PCFishing: Missing entry for 'PCFISHING_ADDON_ID' |
| 09:53.23 | nebula169 | so it may actually be the other addons :p |
| 09:53.48 | Semlar | as far as i can tell it's being caused purely by this xml file |
| 09:53.58 | Semlar | i got rid of everything else |
| 09:55.09 | Semlar | and it's not because it's calling a function that doesn't exist |
| 09:56.04 | Semlar | it has to be explicitly what it's trying to call for it to crash |
| 09:56.15 | Semlar | if i change the line at all it just throws a normal error |
| 09:57.04 | drazisil | does it have an evil char code in there somwehere? |
| 09:57.06 | Semlar | PCFishing.Button_OnLoad(self) does this do anything in conjunction with those other addons |
| 09:57.40 | drazisil | I don't think it could, it's namespaced |
| 09:58.04 | Semlar | well it's trying to call a method on the frame it's creating |
| 09:58.14 | Semlar | because the frame is called PCFishing |
| 09:58.52 | drazisil | so we should get a missing function error, right? |
| 09:59.03 | Semlar | if i change Button_OnLoad to something else it doesn't crash, which would seem to indicate that it's actually trying to do something |
| 09:59.16 | Semlar | which makes no sense |
| 09:59.34 | drazisil | Is it somehow trying to call UIParent's method? |
| 10:00.15 | Semlar | i think something is going on internally that it's interfering with |
| 10:00.35 | Semlar | i would either just make your frame in lua or rename your functions |
| 10:00.40 | nebula169 | should change the name of your global table |
| 10:00.49 | nebula169 | it's killing the frameref |
| 10:01.06 | Semlar | that too |
| 10:01.26 | nebula169 | actually, it probably wouldn't since the frame is created second, but yea |
| 10:01.43 | nebula169 | imagine the wonk is there |
| 10:02.00 | drazisil | hm, is UIParent even a thing? |
| 10:02.15 | Semlar | yes |
| 10:02.39 | Semlar | it's a frame that most of the visible elements are parented to |
| 10:03.50 | Semlar | is there a reason you called it "Button_OnLoad" instead of something else |
| 10:04.15 | drazisil | editing titan panel's ldb example |
| 10:04.20 | drazisil | no other reason |
| 10:05.36 | Semlar | it's being caused by titan |
| 10:05.47 | Semlar | i wonder what it's doing |
| 10:06.22 | Semlar | it won't cash if it doesn't load titan |
| 10:09.49 | VIad | Semlar: did you ever find a proper formula for calculating the vignette coordinates to minimap coordinates? |
| 10:10.18 | Semlar | as far as i know whatever i came up with on the beta worked fine |
| 10:11.05 | VIad | I know, just remember you found some magic numbers that worked for most resolutions, but couldn't remember if you had a formula to calculate the exact translations or used aproximation |
| 10:11.28 | Semlar | my calculations were based on observation |
| 10:11.30 | VIad | like if you set your game to 10000x1000 resolution would yours work? remembering that resolution aspect had something to do with it |
| 10:11.38 | VIad | yeah that's what I remember too |
| 10:12.08 | Semlar | what i had worked at any resolution |
| 10:12.31 | VIad | even custom once? |
| 10:12.36 | VIad | some have 8k setups these days it seems |
| 10:12.49 | VIad | or weird 4 screens lineup with insane width :p |
| 10:12.58 | Semlar | presumably it follows the same formula |
| 10:13.09 | drazisil | hm, so is there an easy way to make this work without titan being a derp, or should I just restart from scratch? |
| 10:13.14 | VIad | if its one of the standard ratios I guess it will |
| 10:13.16 | Semlar | regardless nobody ever leaves their garrisons so it doesn't really matter |
| 10:13.19 | VIad | but if ratio matters then :( |
| 10:13.38 | VIad | just annoying me there isnt a proper formula from the observations |
| 10:13.48 | drazisil | I'd leave mine if I had flying. *angry face* |
| 10:13.49 | Semlar | what do you mean proper |
| 10:14.16 | Semlar | drazisil: yes, just rename your functions |
| 10:14.17 | VIad | like, you feed it your ui scale and screen dimensions and it poops out the translation matrix to get the coordinates to proper minimap coordinates |
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| 10:14.30 | VIad | or what ever variables affect the output |
| 10:14.37 | Semlar | drazisil: literally anything should work other than what you have |
| 10:15.02 | drazisil | ok |
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| 10:15.18 | drazisil | thank you very much for the help on hunting it down |
| 10:15.20 | Semlar | PCFishing.Button_OnLoad(self) needs to be something like PCFishing_Button_OnLoad(self) instead |
| 10:15.41 | Semlar | or PCFishing_OnLoad |
| 10:15.52 | nebula169 | or just don't use xml :x |
| 10:15.56 | Semlar | or don't use xml |
| 10:16.12 | drazisil | I'd prefer that route, actually |
| 10:16.18 | drazisil | JUust not sure how |
| 10:16.24 | Semlar | it's not like this frame would be particularly difficult to create in lua |
| 10:16.40 | Semlar | it's purely just being used to call scripts |
| 10:17.31 | drazisil | How do I use PCF.LDB_frame = CreateFrame("Frame") instead? |
| 10:18.26 | drazisil | ie: how do I tell it call scripts? |
| 10:18.34 | nebula169 | local PCF = CreateFrame("Frame") PCF:SetScript("OnEvent", your onevent func) PCF:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED") then add if event == "ADDON_LOADED" and ... == "PCFishing" then Init() |
| 10:18.53 | Semlar | he already has a frame being created there |
| 10:19.09 | nebula169 | not if you delete the xml? |
| 10:19.22 | Semlar | he has PCF.LDB_frame = CreateFrame('frame') in his lua file |
| 10:19.41 | Semlar | so he's making a frame for something |
| 10:19.53 | drazisil | for ldb I guess |
| 10:20.10 | Semlar | well regardless, you have a frame reference, you can call it whatever you want |
| 10:20.12 | nebula169 | it's not needed for ldb |
| 10:20.16 | nebula169 | but yea |
| 10:20.32 | Semlar | you can assign a variable to it like local f = PCF.LDB_frame or just use PCF.LDB_frame directly |
| 10:20.45 | VIad | Semlar: why do you think the C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInfoFromInstanceID returns these unusual scaled x,y coordinates, as opposed to the rest of the coordinate related APIs? |
| 10:20.49 | Semlar | PCF.LDB_frame:SetScript('OnEvent', PCF.Button_OnEvent) |
| 10:21.18 | Semlar | VIad: because they probably never intended us to have the coordinates in the first place |
| 10:21.49 | Semlar | the coordinate system being used appears to be something they use internally |
| 10:22.25 | nebula169 | the ones that correspond to UnitPosition? or something else? |
| 10:22.40 | VIad | what was the trick you did with moving the minimap under the cursor, was it to read the name of the npc? |
| 10:22.46 | Semlar | no it's some bizarre x, y system relative to the minimap based on your resolution |
| 10:22.55 | nebula169 | awkward |
| 10:24.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.36 | VIad | in 5.4 there was a issue with negative instance ids because of overflow, is it still an issue? |
| 10:25.45 | Semlar | no |
| 10:25.52 | nebula169 | it's a guid now, not an int |
| 10:26.27 | VIad | ah right |
| 10:26.35 | Semlar | they're actually in that screenshot |
| 10:32.31 | drazisil | ah, right. without the xml titan panel doesn't see it. |
| 10:32.50 | VIad | titan still exists? wasnt it replaced by newer framework? |
| 10:36.47 | drazisil | ldb, I'd assume...which as what I'm using |
| 10:39.59 | Semlar | if you're doing it in lua there is no OnLoad script, so anything that would have normally done would just have to be called directly after you create your frame |
| 10:40.16 | drazisil | ah, thank you |
| 10:44.26 | Simca | nebula169: it was a GUID before too, but when the hex was converted to int in the C code, it would overflow |
| 10:44.38 | Simca | and it would throw a C error |
| 10:45.01 | zenzelezz | http://fortune.com/2015/05/29/apple-iphone-bug/ - well, as long as it works... |
| 10:45.02 | Simca | it's not an issue post 6.X though |
| 10:46.28 | drazisil | I'm...back to my crash x.x |
| 10:46.29 | drazisil | https://gist.github.com/drazisil/aad812ca84f8841f9856 |
| 10:46.38 | drazisil | no xml this time |
| 10:52.46 | Semlar | what about if you comment out PCF:LDB_Init() |
| 10:54.15 | Semlar | as far as i could tell it was being caused by titan, so titan may just be borked |
| 10:54.15 | drazisil | I'll try that in a sec, right now I'm renaming all instances of PCF. to PCF_, just to see |
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| 10:55.05 | drazisil | But it works for other plugins? Granted, they are all titan plugins...maybe it honestly doesn't correct convert LDB |
| 10:55.09 | Neffiphone | senmlat |
| 10:55.21 | Semlar | are you drunk neffi |
| 10:55.24 | Neffiphone | semlar |
| 10:55.36 | Neffiphone | no in foks |
| 10:55.37 | Semlar | it is way too early for that |
| 10:55.48 | Neffiphone | Kik u mddn kayeh |
| 10:55.55 | Semlar | i don't even |
| 10:56.12 | Semlar | you better hope you're drunk |
| 10:56.17 | Semlar | because if not |
| 10:56.20 | Neffiphone | injuli y you semlar |
| 10:56.44 | Neffiphone | ðð |
| 10:56.54 | Semlar | aw |
| 10:57.03 | Semlar | i emoji you too |
| 10:57.49 | Neffiphone | jeokne ekfj |
| 10:57.59 | Semlar | go home neffi |
| 10:58.14 | Neffiphone | u DM home |
| 10:58.33 | Semlar | how do you slur your text |
| 10:59.04 | drazisil | this is amusing......is this a regular thing? |
| 10:59.33 | Semlar | he's normally more comprehensible |
| 11:00.03 | Neffiphone | n I'm she s in fin fin fine fine |
| 11:00.09 | Semlar | i hope you aren't driving |
| 11:00.21 | Neffiphone | ho in in bed |
| 11:00.38 | Semlar | ah are you just getting in or just getting out |
| 11:01.04 | Neffiphone | in |
| 11:01.08 | Semlar | that's good |
| 11:01.16 | Neffiphone | nxkkwj lu |
| 11:01.27 | Semlar | you too |
| 11:01.54 | drazisil | heh. I should be asleep, but I want this to work. so, yah, looks like TP can't LDB...what's the preferred display addon out there? |
| 11:02.12 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 11:03.50 | Semlar | i can't track down what in titan panel is causing the problem |
| 11:04.21 | Neffiphone | ilu aemalw semald semalt semqlr semlar |
| 11:04.33 | Semlar | love you too |
| 11:04.38 | drazisil | It's gotta be something in LDBToTitan.lua, right? |
| 11:04.45 | Neffiphone | @3 |
| 11:04.50 | Semlar | night night neffi |
| 11:05.02 | Neffiphone | nn |
| 11:06.19 | Semlar | does it need to inherit the frame template from titan |
| 11:07.12 | Semlar | that wouldn't make sense |
| 11:07.52 | drazisil | I edited from http://sourceforge.net/projects/titanpanel/files/StarterLDB.zip/download |
| 11:07.57 | drazisil | if that helps |
| 11:12.47 | Semlar | does the startldb crash the game if you try to load it |
| 11:12.52 | Semlar | starterLDB |
| 11:13.02 | drazisil | I haven't tried, actually |
| 11:13.07 | drazisil | I'm afraid it's time for bed. thanks much for the help and if you keep working on it and wanna pm me if you figure out anything...if not, night :) |
| 11:13.10 | Semlar | might want to try that first |
| 11:13.43 | Semlar | because it seems bizarre that yours would be doing that if you're just copying something that's supposed to work |
| 11:14.30 | drazisil | I think it did, because I'm nearly sure mine was working fine and then it just stopped and started crashing...and I have no clue what I changed |
| 11:15.30 | Semlar | it shouldn't be possible to crash the game like it's doing, so it would be good to identify what is causing it |
| 11:15.54 | Semlar | but i don't really want to sift through titan's code to figure it out |
| 11:16.44 | drazisil | Well, I have good? news...it crashes with titan completely gome and chocoletebar used instead |
| 11:17.14 | drazisil | so it HAS to be me |
| 11:17.36 | Semlar | it's possible you're missing something that LDB is requiring you to have |
| 11:18.50 | drazisil | maybe. I'll have to review https://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/wiki/How-to-provide-a-dataobject when I'm awake |
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| 11:19.14 | drazisil | That STILL should cause a memory crash though :_/ |
| 11:19.25 | drazisil | shouldn't* |
| 11:20.35 | drazisil | anyway, really gotta sleep. |
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| 14:06.48 | Amarande | ... wow that's practically another step towards free to play, Blizzard |
| 14:08.39 | Amarande | just pay once, and you can coast on tokens the rest of your game life, as long as you've got at least one gather profession pretty much and are on the US realms |
| 14:08.53 | Amarande | well, that was always the thing I suppose, but now that they've pretty much just saved everyone 10,000g per character ... :S |
| 14:09.04 | karl_w_w | you mean theoretically, not practically |
| 14:09.36 | Amarande | karl_w_w: oh, it's purely a de facto step here, so I suppose we could say practically heh |
| 14:09.59 | Amarande | yank flying from not only Draenor but apparently from future expansions too, now there is absolutely no real point to buying anything faster than 150% |
| 14:10.19 | Amarande | so now every character saves 10,000g while leveling and will easily reach the US token cost by the time their first month is done |
| 14:11.07 | Amarande | mind you, wonder if it'll inflate the prices of tokens too, though |
| 14:11.56 | Amarande | seeing that most of the stuff on the AH for people to consider spending gold on instead at/above that price tier were flying mounts of some sort or another |
| 14:12.28 | Amarande | (and one of the largest gold sinks has been the vendor mats for same ...) |
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| 14:21.27 | Ressy | Elvine's already paid for the next 10 months or so via tokens. |
| 14:21.59 | Amarande | but yeah, in the past it seemed Blizzard loved gold sinks ... now they've basically made there be no point whatsoever to buying 280% and 310% flying |
| 14:22.31 | Amarande | by the time you can afford those, you've only got a few levels left maybe before you're heading to Pandaria (where you can't fly till 90 still IIRC?) and then on to Draenor where your wings are clipped |
| 14:22.47 | Amarande | and apparently will stay so in future xpacks too ... seems Blizz has decided flying is evil or something LOL |
| 14:23.32 | Amarande | (otoh, except for Square Enix in Heavensward, it seems like MMO devs have been anti flying mounts in general lately ...) |
| 14:45.15 | A-KO | Amarande: They decided flying sucked years ago |
| 14:45.39 | A-KO | this isn't something they really newly decided :P |
| 15:08.32 | zenzelezz | I remember you didn't actually need flying very much in Outland; there were only a few areas that were inaccessible by foot |
| 15:09.39 | Arrowmaster | im not sure if tonight is going to be awesome or im going to end up traumatizing my family |
| 15:10.21 | Arrowmaster | i had to get a last minute date to a wedding and the girl im taking is a wild one |
| 15:10.40 | zenzelezz | "a wild one"? |
| 15:11.07 | Arrowmaster | very bubbly personality, no filter, former stripper |
| 15:11.47 | Arrowmaster | she reminding me right now about an incident we had with a liquor store clerk |
| 15:12.26 | Arrowmaster | that i am not repeating |
| 15:12.56 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:16.07 | karl_w_w | so i just opened geoguessr and the first one it's given me is some fucking insanely good looking range of hills, and on the side of the road is what I guess is a no hitchhiking sign |
| 15:16.34 | Arrowmaster | prison |
| 15:29.35 | karl_w_w | it was here https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-30.667444,29.471808,3a,75y,297.9h,79.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZd0Aqfdbhthp6cnRJg1NFw!2e0?hl=en |
| 15:31.45 | nevcairiel | that looks more like a sign warning of hikers crossing the street, to me anyway |
| 15:32.50 | Fisker | Looks like a warning of robbers sign |
| 15:33.58 | karl_w_w | not the triangle sign nevcairiel |
| 15:34.10 | karl_w_w | the round one on the other side of the road |
| 15:34.41 | nevcairiel | oh yeah i guess that could mean that |
| 15:34.44 | Fisker | Actually a no Facebook allowed |
| 15:34.53 | nevcairiel | heh yeah, "no liking allowed here" |
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| 18:40.04 | znf | https://devhumor.com/content/uploads//images/April2015/best-exception-ever.png |
| 18:41.04 | foxlit | very dubious code, though. |
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| 19:13.19 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/m6/flag |
| 19:13.57 | foxlit | I wonder if that makes sense. |
| 19:17.20 | Kowh | Makes sense to me. /unsetflag makes more sense than foo= though |
| 19:17.59 | foxlit | Might be nice to have both, and/or /toggleflag or something |
| 19:18.06 | Kowh | Sure |
| 19:18.43 | Kowh | I suspect though it'd enable one-button rotations though, and that seems verbotten. |
| 19:19.26 | Kowh | Macro stuff that used to allow for that has been removed |
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| 19:21.28 | Kowh | Could get around that by allowing a skill on the GCD *or* setting a flag, but then you kill a lot of the utility. |
| 19:22.08 | foxlit | this is essentially addon code that works on live. |
| 19:22.47 | Kowh | Doesn't mean Blizz won't squash it. :P |
| 19:23.02 | foxlit | some people just want to see things squashed. |
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| 19:26.27 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.13 | foxlit | Anyhow, I think this is pushing to the "your class design sucks if it is defeated by /castrandom" line. Both potential outcomes are sufficiently interesting to pursue. |
| 19:29.49 | Kowh | I think I prefer designs closer to that than the ones closer to giant switch() statements. Some call having a million and one conditionally useful skills as "skillfull", I call it "tedious". |
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| 19:59.23 | Semlar | squashes foxlit |
| 20:00.07 | foxlit | stop that, Semlar, and write me a sandwich. |
| 20:00.18 | Semlar | there's also literally already an addon that does this and they don't seem to mind too much |
| 20:01.56 | Semlar | i need to write me a cup of coffee |
| 20:02.34 | Neffiphone | writes Semlar a cup of tea. |
| 20:02.40 | Semlar | hi neffi |
| 20:02.52 | foxlit | I also have "/qsequence Fireball, Fireball, Pyroblast", which is like another addon. |
| 20:02.53 | Neffiphone | write me a cheeseburger and fries |
| 20:03.01 | Neffiphone | Cajun fries. spicy. |
| 20:03.09 | Semlar | i haven't implemented /castrandom into gnomesequencer because *that* just seemed like going a little too far |
| 20:03.41 | Semlar | even though it would be really easy to add |
| 20:03.55 | kd3 | going too far? in the sandbox blizz provides us? >.> |
| 20:04.09 | foxlit | And obviously /castrandom |
| 20:04.28 | Semlar | well it reproduces functionality they already explicitly removed from the actual castrandom function |
| 20:04.36 | Semlar | so i have a feeling they don't want you doing that |
| 20:04.48 | foxlit | np, either everything is okay or the world perished in next patch |
| 20:04.57 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 20:05.46 | Neffiphone | forks Semlar's work and implements all the haxx. |
| 20:07.36 | Semlar | don't fork me bro |
| 20:11.47 | foxlit | puts [cooldown:Arcane Power] away. |
| 20:14.19 | Semlar | >_> |
| 20:17.11 | Amarande | kd3: and 'sandbox' is spelled pretty much r-a-i-l-s? :) |
| 20:19.13 | foxlit | bonus: haxx no longer require writing lua code |
| 20:24.19 | Semlar | oh good, not only did this crash the game it left the process open in the background |
| 20:24.35 | Amarande | Semlar: good thing there's no such thing as Hardcore characters in WoW :) |
| 20:24.54 | Amarande | you know, that would be a pretty neat idea though |
| 20:25.26 | Amarande | well, maybe not. it might actually ruin the game |
| 20:25.39 | Amarande | imagine how long expansions would have to run to keep the hardcore raiders from complaining that they never get to finish content :) |
| 20:25.50 | foxlit | wow doesn't do enough to telegraph that something is capable of killing you. |
| 20:26.13 | Semlar | boss abilities? |
| 20:26.14 | Amarande | foxlit: also wow doesn't do enough to allow you to escape an unwinnable situation ... quite the opposite in fact, it usually seems |
| 20:26.46 | Amarande | Dazed, monsters getting super-fast steroid-rush movement speed when aggroed, etc. ... |
| 20:27.24 | Kowh | People would just play like that dude that max leveled an unfactioned panda. |
| 20:27.27 | foxlit | Semlar: even just melee attack strength swings wildly with no indication. |
| 20:28.08 | Semlar | i guess you're supposed to just know how hard something hits from previous experience |
| 20:28.44 | kd3 | what previous experience if you're going in blind? on softcore characters? |
| 20:28.46 | Amarande | hence why expansions would have to run on and on and on, imagine entire raids having to reroll and redo all their previous progression just to get another *attempt* at the next instance :) |
| 20:28.55 | kd3 | there's no outside knowledge that patchwerk or brutallus would hit like trucks |
| 20:29.06 | Semlar | when you run back from the first death of course |
| 20:29.12 | foxlit | and boss abilities swing between you're-supposed-to-facetank-this-as-a-healer-pressure-thing and you're-going-to-die-faster-than-you-can-tweet-about-it with little to tell the two apart. |
| 20:29.15 | Amarande | kd3: or how tight the timer is on brutallus in particular |
| 20:29.42 | Amarande | sunwell was kind of a dick move like that, because it was literally telling less progressed raiders 'sorry you will never ever get to properly raid this iconic piece of content' |
| 20:29.57 | Amarande | since unless you were basically completely maxed out from black temple already, you weren't going to have the numbers to beat brutallus |
| 20:30.00 | Semlar | technically it does warn you about boss abilities in the encounter journal |
| 20:30.06 | Semlar | i don't know how useful that is |
| 20:30.08 | Amarande | and by the time you did have the numbers, wrath was going to be there |
| 20:30.33 | Amarande | one could argue the same about ruby sanctum but one the numbers weren't nearly as tight there and two, that was just a bonus boss basically, not a whole lore-vital instance |
| 20:31.04 | Amarande | Semlar: don't forget the encounter journal is fairly recent, too |
| 20:31.33 | Amarande | in fact, that's possibly one of the biggest arguments in favour of the 'wow is definitely past its heyday' proponents |
| 20:31.49 | Semlar | me and the encounter journal have very different ideas about which abilities should be marked as deadly |
| 20:31.52 | Amarande | I'm trying to actually remember now when the last time we've gotten a new feature in WoW that hasn't been basically borrowed from some other MMO that did it first ;( |
| 20:32.02 | Amarande | I think the dungeon finder may be the most recent such feature actually :( |
| 20:33.17 | Semlar | the only one of gruul's mythic abilities it has marked as deadly are the fireballs which do like a third of your health and add a debuff |
| 20:33.37 | Amarande | actually hmm maybe the encounter journal is an innovation, come to think of it ... hmmm. |
| 20:33.58 | Amarande | Semlar: also speaking of Gruul that's another problem with the journal markings |
| 20:34.05 | Semlar | when overhead smash will basically one shot you if you get hit |
| 20:34.30 | Amarande | think back to the Gruul from BC ... the chief thing there was the grow thing, do soft enrages get marked deadly of themselves? I'm guessing not |
| 20:39.33 | Semlar | foxlit: http://pastebin.com/czhgJE4U |
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| 20:54.53 | foxlit | heh, I wonder how that happened. You apparently can't edit named macros? |
| 20:56.00 | Iriel | since when? |
| 21:01.39 | foxlit | no, those are not the macros you're thinking of. |
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| 21:18.53 | Semlar | i break everything i touch |
| 21:24.38 | foxlit | Semlar: https://www.townlong-yak.com/m6/files/M6-fclp.zip |
| 21:26.14 | Semlar | :O |
| 21:27.06 | Semlar | is the name you type for the macro actually used anywhere |
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| 21:43.38 | foxlit | you can "/runmacro [] the name you type for the macro" |
| 21:46.05 | Semlar | i see |
| 21:46.33 | Semlar | are the names unique or does it just pick one of them |
| 21:46.50 | foxlit | names are unique and it just picks one of them. |
| 21:48.10 | foxlit | (editor enforces uniqueness in its own pool of named things, but it's not the only source feeding /runmacro, so globally it's a tossup if you try to call everything Steve) |
| 21:51.57 | Semlar | does it look at its own macros first or just whatever it finds |
| 21:52.43 | foxlit | I think the moral of the story was that you shouldn't call everything Steve. |
| 21:53.03 | Semlar | but what if i want to call everything steve |
| 21:55.02 | foxlit | then the last steve standing wins. |
| 21:56.10 | Semlar | is there a reason you don't have the drag script on the buttons pick them up instead of having to right click to put them on your bars |
| 21:56.34 | foxlit | (it doesn't prefer its own macros, because /runmacro is blissfully unaware that it has its own macros) |
| 21:59.01 | foxlit | avoids picking things up accidentially, because at some point you might need to deactivate stuff you aren't actually using on your action bars. |
| 22:00.12 | Semlar | i would just deactivate anything that isn't on an action slot |
| 22:01.13 | foxlit | that drops sabt-derived action bars. |
| 22:02.42 | foxlit | since you could reference macros by name or text from those. |
| 22:04.00 | kullervo | >2015, still using action bars instead of direct spell binds |
| 22:11.05 | Amarande | hrm ... http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17605632090?page=4#65 |
| 22:11.31 | Amarande | likely truth, that the no-fly-future thing was pushed by some super powerful Sr Management like that implies, or is that a tinfoil conspiracy? |
| 22:12.25 | Amarande | otoh, why would senior business management want to override the devs like that (given that WoW is a successful project already so the dev team can be labeled as "they know what they're doing" presumably :P) |
| 22:14.14 | Iriel | That smells like conspiracy theorists to me. |
| 22:14.23 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:15.25 | Iriel | Though I suspect ultimately there are a couple of folks who have to make the call, theyâre very unlikely to do something that nobody else agreed with. |
| 22:17.46 | Amarande | yeah, I really can't think of a good reason to make it a permanent thing either, though |
| 22:18.08 | Amarande | one. it's a 10k gold sink per character that's being sacrificed, not to mention all the gold sink that goes into all those crafted mounts because except for the bike, they're all flying ones |
| 22:18.26 | Amarande | two, players like flying |
| 22:18.58 | Amarande | I believe one comparison made in that thread says it all ... soaring majestically over the Storm Peaks vs. constantly finding yourself on foot with the Dazed debuff as apparently happens in Draenor |
| 22:19.35 | Amarande | I'm trying to think of anything that's exactly *bad* about flying, other than that it assists gather bots pretty egregiously |
| 22:19.53 | Iriel | It ruins the puzzles of âhow do I get to Xâ |
| 22:20.13 | Amarande | oh yeah. I'm starting to be kinda glad I never made it to Draenor before I had to go on hiatus |
| 22:20.14 | Iriel | which, of course, is a reason a bunch of people WANT flying mounts |
| 22:20.22 | Amarande | platforming parkour puzzles are apparently a regular thing now? :| |
| 22:20.33 | Iriel | Itâs not platforming itâs just spacial awareness |
| 22:20.55 | Iriel | Iâm fine not being able to fly unless iâm feeling particularly lazy |
| 22:21.46 | Amarande | flying is also quite helpful for those of us who need to multitask, instead of having to log out altogether we can mount up and rise up into the air a bit and unless the minority of mobs with ranged attacks pat by we're safe |
| 22:21.59 | Iriel | Go to your garrison |
| 22:22.01 | Iriel | youâre safe there |
| 22:22.02 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 22:22.02 | foxlit | "I want to do something else instead of playing the game" |
| 22:22.36 | Amarande | foxlit: "I want to be able to play the game but not have to devote 100% attention for hours on end unless I'm actually in a group content setting which demands it" |
| 22:22.37 | zenzelezz | it amuses me greatly how horrible losers people are in World of Tanks. This week they all seem to have learned the word "cancer", using it along with the normal "cunt", "whore", "polak/polski" to shout at you when they die |
| 22:23.06 | Amarande | zenzelezz: s/World of Tanks/ |
| 22:23.10 | foxlit | Amarande: so what's wrong with logging out? |
| 22:23.46 | zenzelezz | Amarande: true |
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| 22:24.36 | Amarande | foxlit: less convenient than alt-tabbing from a safe vantage? |
| 22:24.52 | Amarande | mind you, it kinda seems like blizzard does want people to log out more than they do |
| 22:25.28 | Amarande | given funnery like, say, the whole fullscreen + taxi DC issue (for which the savvy solution of course is use borderless windowed but still) |
| 22:26.56 | Amarande | also it takes about 5 seconds or so to mount your flyer and get a bit above the ground, vs. 20 to log out if you don't want to go all the way back to an official inn |
| 22:27.18 | foxlit | it takes 1 second to hit the logout button |
| 22:27.29 | foxlit | at which point you go do whatever it is you so desperately need to do. |
| 22:27.46 | Amarande | foxlit: and you should know at least as well as I that apparently the "exit now" button and alt-f4 do not properly save your addon settings :( |
| 22:28.05 | Amarande | (nor, even, apparently, does getting DC'd without warning ... only a console reloadui or a correct logout) |
| 22:29.04 | Amarande | foxlit: also consider if you might get called away from the game for a few seconds at a time, but for reasons that will cause people to be annoyed if you don't take those few seconds right then and there. :) |
| 22:29.21 | Amarande | a full logout just to attend to a short thing kinda sucks |
| 22:29.23 | Amarande | oh, and queues |
| 22:29.59 | Amarande | "just log out!" is kind of brutal if it means going back to the back of the line just because you had to hit the bathroom or pull the pizza out of the oven or whatever :) |
| 22:30.08 | foxlit | (a) no queues. |
| 22:30.14 | foxlit | (b) log out to character selection |
| 22:33.41 | foxlit | also, as far as I know, SV serialization works correctly in everything short of abrupt process termination, which generally doesn't happen. |
| 22:45.41 | zenzelezz | I think I've used "log out" less than 1% of the time I leave the game, and never had any trouble with addons not saving stuff |
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| 23:09.26 | Semlar | i alt+f4 out of the game every time and don't lose my saved variables |
| 23:10.40 | Semlar | when did they fix [flyable] in draenor |
| 23:16.58 | foxlit | 6.1, maybe. I wouldn't know; I fixed [flyable] before draenor on nov 13. |
| 23:17.28 | Semlar | they must have done it in secret because nobody seems to be aware that it works now |
| 23:18.43 | foxlit | that's, um, the default way to fix anything. |
| 23:19.33 | Semlar | they have patch notes though :( |
| 23:20.02 | Amarande | Semlar: in the opinion of a greater torrent of players than I think I've ever seen on ANY topic on the wow forums, they haven't really fixed [flyable] in Draenor, if you get my drift :P |
| 23:21.02 | Amarande | and to add to the kicking in the pants, they announce this just days (conveniently just a couple days too long compared to the buyer's remorse period, too) after releasing a new store mount :| |
| 23:21.22 | Amarande | not that I've bought any of those, but they're pretty popular, as I remember when sparkle pony came out LOL |
| 23:21.47 | foxlit | ui/api documentation is a bit of a joke. |
| 23:22.18 | Semlar | i wonder what it's like trying to work on this stuff on their end |
| 23:22.19 | Amarande | first time I saw someone on celestial steed I was like "cool, hmm, where's that from ... hmm, only $25? maybe I'll consider it, especially compared to those LOTRO mounts that cost $20 and only even apply to a single character" |
| 23:22.39 | Amarande | then the next time I go into Orgrimmar, it's like EVERYONE'S on one and I'm like "meh. now it's not special anymore" so I didn't buy :) |
| 23:23.49 | foxlit | Semlar: presumably nobody has enough spare time to bother publicly documenting changes. |
| 23:23.54 | Amarande | but yeah I wonder how many people bought that most recent store mount and now feel especially kicked in the pants |
| 23:24.06 | Amarande | as in, if it was just Draenor that might have been ok, especially with the accelerated expansion schedule being planned |
| 23:24.15 | Amarande | but to find out now they won't be able to fly in ANY future xpac |
| 23:24.17 | Semlar | well they have to add more mounts to the store |
| 23:24.31 | Amarande | Semlar: the removal of flying kinda murders the market though |
| 23:24.32 | Semlar | any spare time gets dedicated to that |
| 23:25.07 | Amarande | especially since now all those cool looking mounts you mostly never saw before because they were ground bound and nobody wanted to use a ground bound mount when there was flight are basically all back in black :) |
| 23:25.15 | Semlar | i kid, sort of |
| 23:27.27 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.03 | Amarande | Grey's an arrow? :) |
| 23:32.23 | kullervo | does someone know if Freesync works in windowed fullscreen? |
| 23:52.38 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/rHXsHIF.png |
| 23:52.59 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/uWfJ3IH.jpg |
| 23:53.03 | znf | oh come on... |
| 23:55.40 | Semlar | not even a little surprising |
| 23:56.48 | znf | kullervo, gsync doesn't, so I doubt freesync does, but I don't have it, so... |
| 23:57.24 | kullervo | znf: clÃt |
| 23:57.37 | znf | I'll keep it as Clit |
| 23:57.40 | znf | I'm still in a guild! |
| 23:58.05 | znf | also, I'm impressed, I was actually able to make a new char with the name ClÃt |
| 23:58.15 | Semlar | flags znf for a rename |
| 23:58.41 | znf | I still need to figure out how to stuff my new GPU in my case |
| 23:58.52 | Semlar | cut a hole in it |
| 23:59.38 | *** join/#wowuidev paramourne (~asdf@unaffiliated/paramourne) |
