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| 01:29.48 | Seerah | Torhal: hehehe |
| 01:29.53 | Seerah | no one will understand! |
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| 01:51.43 | drazisil | How do I get tabs into a string for my addon? |
| 02:03.43 | Semlar | \t |
| 02:04.01 | Semlar | although i doubt it'll display how you want |
| 02:04.52 | Arrowmaster | it almost certainly wont display properly |
| 02:06.21 | tz | perhaps it's for export |
| 02:06.30 | tz | copy/paste out of wow |
| 02:07.32 | drazisil | No, it's for a titan panel plugin. |
| 02:07.48 | Semlar | why not use spaces |
| 02:07.50 | drazisil | It seems to work great there, but shows as ? when I try |
| 02:08.27 | drazisil | Because then it makes lining up dynamic length text a lot harder |
| 02:09.04 | Semlar | you're trying to make a tooltip with columns? |
| 02:09.09 | drazisil | yes |
| 02:09.27 | Semlar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libqtip-1-0/ |
| 02:09.52 | drazisil | thank you :) |
| 02:28.35 | drazisil | Will that work with a LDb addon? I'm talking about the menubar tooltip, it doesn't have it's own frame |
| 02:28.59 | drazisil | Semlar ^ |
| 02:30.28 | drazisil | oh, nm, I just found what I wanted |
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| 06:22.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.righto.com/2015/05/bitcoin-mining-on-55-year-old-ibm-1401.html |
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| 08:33.13 | Semlar | foxlit: can you hook when a binding is run, aside from capturing key strokes and figuring it out from there |
| 09:00.13 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: Yeah. Slightly faster than working them out on a pocket calculator |
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| 09:00.55 | Eol | If anyone's awake. Anyone aware of an APi call I can to translate a quest objective to an item id? |
| 09:09.08 | Semlar | Eol: do you have an example quest |
| 09:09.39 | Eol | C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns\TradeSkillMaster |
| 09:09.41 | Eol | er |
| 09:09.47 | Eol | www.wowhead.com/quest=25155/ogrezonians-in-the-moodc |
| 09:10.23 | Semlar | and you want Jagged Jasper? |
| 09:10.25 | Eol | yes |
| 09:11.13 | nevcairiel | i dont think you can, it only gives you the text from the API iirc |
| 09:11.21 | Eol | yeah, that's what i've found |
| 09:12.01 | Eol | local have, need, item = string.match("%d/%d %s",text) doesn't extract anything. is that correct for 0/3 Jagged Jasper to give have = 0, need = 3, item = "Jagged Jasper" |
| 09:14.21 | Semlar | no, %s means a space |
| 09:14.39 | Semlar | and you're not capturing the query |
| 09:15.48 | Semlar | and the first argument is the string you're comparing against not the pattern |
| 09:16.19 | Semlar | should be more like string.match("0/3 Jagged Jasper", "(%d+)/(%d+) (.+)") |
| 09:17.41 | Eol | ah that worked, thanks |
| 09:18.25 | Semlar | what are you making |
| 09:19.19 | Semlar | you may not be able to get the item id but the name might be enough for certain tasks |
| 09:21.03 | Eol | Now i gotta link that back to the tradeskillspellid |
| 09:21.39 | Eol | TSM enhancement. When you open up your profession, it'll scan your open quests and offer to craft anything that's craftable |
| 09:21.59 | Semlar | you should be able to do that with just the name |
| 09:24.52 | Semlar | in this case you should be able to match it against the exact name of the recipe |
| 09:25.22 | Eol | yeah. |
| 09:25.59 | Semlar | i don't know if they're all like that or if you might have to check the actual items crafted by each recipe |
| 09:46.07 | Eol | thanks for the help, got it working |
| 09:47.23 | Semlar | hooray |
| 09:53.48 | Eol | wayy past bedtime. g'night |
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| 10:21.46 | zenzelezz | https://www.komplett.no/ax-accessories-axm4610/808874 ... so I only use three monitors right now, but -65%... |
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| 11:14.52 | karl_w_w | only 3 zenzelezz? |
| 11:15.29 | karl_w_w | how on earth do you get by |
| 11:16.08 | Semlar | i don't know how i would even plug 6 monitors into my computer |
| 11:17.07 | Constie | Very carefully. |
| 11:17.32 | nevcairiel | Some AMD GPUs support 6 screens, otherwise, multiple GPUs |
| 11:17.41 | nevcairiel | most newer ones support at least 3, sometimes 4 |
| 11:21.15 | zenzelezz | Semlar: I don't just use one computer |
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| 12:02.46 | karl_w_w | well, ex machina is an odd movie |
| 12:05.34 | Maldivia | odd good, or odd bad+ |
| 12:06.47 | karl_w_w | good I suppose |
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| 14:39.29 | Maldivia | hmm, how can anything ever be copyrighted, when it technically naturally occurs somewhere in Pi |
| 14:42.08 | zenzelezz | copyright is something we arbitrarily made up, it has no respect for natural events |
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| 14:51.18 | jleclanche | Maldivia: it doesn't need to occur in pi or anywhere, if it can be digitized then it's expressible as a number, which means that people and corporations can own arbitrary numbers |
| 14:51.41 | Maldivia | :) |
| 14:54.24 | jleclanche | Maldivia: more concerning is that because of the nature of copyright and media formats, any copyright on media arguably implies that people and corporations can own an infinity of numbers |
| 14:54.46 | jleclanche | IP laws sure are fun. |
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| 16:56.03 | foxlit | did they raise the arch fragment cap for all fragment types, or only wod ones? |
| 17:02.36 | kullervo | seems IgnoreThemAll has been removed from curse, anyone got an alternative suggestion? |
| 17:04.56 | Semlar | it's on curseforge |
| 17:05.01 | Gnarfoz | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/ignorethemall/ |
| 17:05.10 | Semlar | hasn't been updated since 2013 though |
| 17:05.13 | Gnarfoz | why do you need a replacement |
| 17:05.22 | Gnarfoz | has it stopped working? |
| 17:05.32 | Semlar | probably, there's a post on that page that says it didn't work in 5.4 |
| 17:05.43 | Maldivia | (I read it as Ignore The Mall) |
| 17:06.03 | foxlit | Maldivia: get that cAPs blINDness checked out. |
| 17:07.23 | Maldivia | foxlit: well, I saw the link before kullervo's question |
| 17:09.23 | kullervo | it works, but I had to mod it to not spam the chat, constantly reminding me of the trolls I've ignored |
| 17:09.39 | kullervo | also it can't ignore guilds with spaces in their name |
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| 18:21.07 | Seerah | Torhal: "I'll tell you so you can do it, but you can't tell anyone else!" |
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| 20:10.15 | jleclanche | What are you thoughts on blizzard's decision about Flying? |
| 20:10.16 | jleclanche | Resilience will fix it? (OccupyGStreet) |
| 20:10.18 | jleclanche | 10/10 |
| 20:10.24 | jleclanche | would definitely GC again. |
| 20:12.48 | Kalroth | flying made the world too small, need to go back to the roots |
| 20:13.49 | Kalroth | should disable mounts and running too, leave walking and hopscotching as the only means of travel |
| 20:14.29 | Fisker | I think they lost the code for flying |
| 20:14.35 | Maldivia | Blink FTW |
| 20:15.29 | Kalroth | http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/05/24/5d6948c592a63d04.jpg |
| 20:20.02 | Kowh | Flying made it harder to make a world worth exploring, but I think they're taking the easy way out. |
| 20:20.51 | Maldivia | just add some flying mobs that would randomly attack you, so flying was, yes, faster, but also had its perils |
| 20:21.09 | Kowh | Yeah. And/or have a legendary style questline to unlock. |
| 20:21.24 | Kowh | If the issue is everyone has it, make it harder to get/use. |
| 20:21.27 | Kowh | But keep it in. |
| 20:29.08 | nebula169 | that never works |
| 20:30.10 | nebula169 | if it's something everyone can do/wants to do they can't just make it arbitrarily hard and call it done |
| 20:31.11 | Semlar | why do people care so much about flying |
| 20:31.15 | nebula169 | no idea |
| 20:31.38 | nebula169 | i don't miss it, my gf that farms like crazy hates that it's gone, though |
| 20:31.58 | Semlar | flying kind of detracts from the game |
| 20:32.20 | Kowh | That's why you put it in at max level. |
| 20:33.27 | Kowh | Flying lets you bypass meaningless timewasters, among other things. |
| 20:34.20 | Semlar | the game? |
| 20:34.26 | jleclanche | <Kowh> Flying made it harder to make a world worth exploring, but I think they're taking the easy way out. |
| 20:34.29 | jleclanche | oh man you're so right |
| 20:34.47 | Kowh | Yes, MMOs are about timewasting, but you get nothing out of dispatching lowbies. |
| 20:34.57 | Kowh | They just take time |
| 20:35.13 | Kowh | Time spent for no reward -> resentment |
| 20:35.26 | jleclanche | getting rid of flying mounts as questhopping machines is excellent |
| 20:35.33 | jleclanche | but they are definitely taking the easy way out |
| 20:36.52 | Kowh | jleclanche: Yeah. Surely they could have come up with a game mechanic that keeps the good bits of flying while reducing the incentive for the bad bits. |
| 20:37.06 | Kalroth | make flying a limited resource, 5 mins every hour |
| 20:37.18 | Dagmar | Anti-aircraft turrets |
| 20:37.29 | Kowh | That's no longer flying then, that's a special use item. |
| 20:37.37 | Semlar | oh god i remember those demon anti air turrets from BC |
| 20:37.37 | Kowh | Like the feather |
| 20:37.50 | jleclanche | i hold the unpopular opinion that they had the right idea with wod |
| 20:37.51 | Maldivia | Semlar: those were fantastic! |
| 20:37.55 | jleclanche | they just didnt push it through enough |
| 20:38.02 | Semlar | hilarious getting shot out of the sky |
| 20:38.10 | jleclanche | there were several items that allowed you to fly in various areas |
| 20:38.37 | jleclanche | i think we needed more of those |
| 20:39.18 | Kowh | It does seem silly from a logic perspective that with all this magic and ranged attacks, enemies on the ground do nothing about the rather obvious guy-on-a-dragon flying over their heads. |
| 20:39.25 | jleclanche | as a side-thought, taxis are absolutely dumbn |
| 20:39.41 | jleclanche | players dont want to use them because they travel in elaborate scenic paths |
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| 20:39.56 | jleclanche | its cool the first time but already not the 2nd one |
| 20:40.17 | nevcairiel | most draenor taxis dont even use sceneic paths anymore, they just go pretty straight |
| 20:40.28 | Semlar | through a mountain |
| 20:40.31 | jleclanche | lol |
| 20:40.45 | Kowh | Some sort of skill-check on flying in the most dangerous (L100) areas would be a key part of a game mechanic for keeping flying I think. |
| 20:40.47 | jleclanche | it doesnt matter though, the point is you cant go *where* you want, you have to go *near* where you want |
| 20:40.52 | Maldivia | but flying from your garrison all the way to the other end of the map... ok, time to go to the bathroom and sit for 10 minutes... |
| 20:41.01 | jleclanche | taxis are fucking awesome irl because you tell the guy where you want to go and you GO there |
| 20:41.06 | Semlar | now there's an idea, how about flying garrisons |
| 20:41.13 | Kowh | Horde got screwed on Ashran, vs Alliance. |
| 20:41.35 | Kowh | Taking the flight path between your garrison and warspear is a mug's game |
| 20:41.45 | Maldivia | Semlar: well, if Naxxramas could fly, why not our garrison? |
| 20:41.46 | Semlar | float your garrison wherever you want and park it |
| 20:42.19 | Kowh | The war tower is just an ugly patch on that. |
| 20:42.39 | Semlar | is it too late to trade my garrison for a necropolis |
| 20:42.42 | Maldivia | Semlar: it could even be a predefined locations -- like where you have garrison buildings in the individual zones? |
| 20:42.46 | jleclanche | Maldivia: there's contractors looking for work in dalaran. |
| 20:42.52 | Kowh | If they didn't have it people would never go to Ashran, but they had to put it up on a tower to provide at least a minimal speedbump. :/ |
| 20:43.44 | Kowh | Wildstar's housing was entirely out of world. You'd warp there, and when you warp out you're right back where you were. Something like that would be nice. |
| 20:43.57 | Semlar | they should have made garrisons guild-wide, the fact that they're instanced isolates you from ever seeing anybody |
| 20:44.00 | jleclanche | i didnt like wildstar's housing tbh |
| 20:44.04 | jleclanche | something felt off about it |
| 20:44.22 | Kowh | It was cut down and polished |
| 20:44.32 | Kowh | If they had finished it properly I think it would have worked better |
| 20:44.42 | Kowh | Made them less static/dead |
| 20:45.03 | jleclanche | i think wildstar housing makes an excellent UX case stud |
| 20:45.06 | jleclanche | case study |
| 20:45.17 | jleclanche | there was far too much you could do |
| 20:45.43 | jleclanche | and that was awesome in.. some ways |
| 20:46.06 | Kowh | Garrisons also aren't very compatible with their desire to have populated capitals. |
| 20:46.07 | jleclanche | it was also overwhelming |
| 20:46.43 | jleclanche | if they want populated capitals they can just bump up the xrealm caps there |
| 20:46.45 | Kowh | Instead they just reserve the odd function for capitals to force you go to them, and that just feels arbitrary/annoying. |
| 20:47.58 | jleclanche | part of the failure of garrisons is that you feel compelled to stay there as long as possible when you're online i think |
| 20:48.00 | Kowh | Rather than have Warspear way out on Ashran, really should have made the garrison area into a captial for WoD. You have your core instanced area, then step outside and it's shared. |
| 20:48.04 | jleclanche | there's very few command tables outside of them |
| 20:48.28 | Kowh | That whole farmville thing was poorly implemented, really. |
| 20:48.57 | jleclanche | anything gets boring when you beat on it for days |
| 20:48.59 | jleclanche | just ask Kalroth. |
| 20:49.06 | Kalroth | still beatin' |
| 20:49.21 | Kowh | Yes it gives catch-up, and content for people who can't play long, but it makes the optimal path not the fun path. |
| 20:49.45 | Kowh | Which is a key design principle. Players will take the optimal path, and blame the game for not being fun. Even if there's a fun path. |
| 20:50.20 | jleclanche | i think mmo designers could use a lesson from the other entertainment industries |
| 20:50.21 | jleclanche | "always leave them wanting more" |
| 20:50.39 | jleclanche | garrisons were universally recognized as fucking awesome, the first couple of weeks |
| 20:50.44 | jleclanche | and then people grew tired of them. |
| 20:51.24 | jleclanche | you're overwhelmed with things your followers can do, you can keep them rolling essentially 24/7 |
| 20:51.48 | jleclanche | so you at first want to do it all the time, and then it just feels like you *need* to do it all the time |
| 20:52.10 | Kowh | Yeah. |
| 20:52.20 | Kowh | There really isn't any fun path there, it's just a job. |
| 20:52.29 | Kowh | But if the optimal path is *especially* unfun. |
| 20:52.42 | jleclanche | yep. instead of the rewarding feeling of "sweet, my followers are done! let's gather the spoils!" |
| 20:53.02 | Kowh | It's "I have to click on a bunch more things now, ug" |
| 20:53.04 | jleclanche | and then you complete 1-2 missions that took over a day, get an avalanche of gold, xp and what not |
| 20:53.17 | Kowh | More missions, dealing with rewards (salvage), etc. |
| 20:53.50 | Kowh | Salvage I especially hate these days. I get the odd great drop from them. |
| 20:53.56 | Kowh | But most of the time they're just a pain in the ass. |
| 20:54.21 | Kowh | I could stop doing salvage, but then I'm not going to get those rare great drops. |
| 20:54.27 | Kowh | Optimal, but not fun. |
| 20:55.00 | jleclanche | blizzard really missed out on "less is more" yeah |
| 20:55.13 | jleclanche | something team5 seems to understand really well |
| 20:55.17 | jleclanche | maybe they should talk to them. |
| 20:55.41 | jleclanche | in fact both teams could really use a chat between them. fucking extremes man. |
| 20:57.09 | mikma | wanna see some kinky stuff? http://imgur.com/gallery/ViEfT |
| 20:57.21 | Kowh | If you're going to have busywork, you should have hmm, levels? of it. E.g. you mine your mine manually at first and process the output manually, then automate one or the other, then both, then progress to some other meta game built around that. Laying out a mine or something. |
| 20:58.03 | Semlar | paragon garrison points |
| 20:59.46 | Kowh | Metalworking porn. :D |
| 21:00.17 | Kowh | Friction stir welding also is neat to watch. |
| 21:00.46 | mikma | awwwwwwwwwww yisssssss |
| 21:02.15 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPuI_pbCYOI |
| 21:02.32 | mikma | metal construction \,,/ O_o \,,/ |
| 21:02.51 | Kowh | Doing that with heavy machinery where it could get caught seems a bit too metal. |
| 21:02.55 | kullervo | looks like deconstruction to me |
| 21:03.41 | Stanzilla | Simca_: you tehre mate |
| 21:27.37 | Tuller | nevcairiel, you should add bagsync + libitemsearch to inventorian, and probably just have a button near the money frame to toggle between showing justice points/currency |
| 21:28.19 | nevcairiel | i dont like those, the new maintainer keeps breaking things |
| 21:30.05 | Tuller | i meant this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15351-BagSync.html and not bagbrother |
| 21:30.34 | nevcairiel | oh, i actually use bagsync for the tooltips |
| 21:31.02 | nevcairiel | i never bothered to find out if it has an API to show other peoples bags |
| 21:31.09 | jleclanche | yes! |
| 21:31.13 | jleclanche | beat the necrodancer |
| 21:32.30 | jleclanche | man thats a really fun, good game |
| 21:35.10 | jleclanche | crypt of the necrodancer is probably the first game i see where its been taken to its *full* potential |
| 21:36.14 | jleclanche | multiple game modes, multiple game types, mod support, builtin level editor, seeded game support, training modes for every enemy and boss |
| 21:36.44 | jleclanche | and really fun exploration of the potential of the mechanics |
| 21:37.13 | jleclanche | awesome music too. highly recommended. |
| 21:37.48 | Stanzilla | Tuller: I hope you still feel bad for leaving us with jaliborc! :( |
| 21:38.15 | nevcairiel | Tuller: does bagsync have some official-like API? i dont find something obvious =p |
| 21:38.37 | Tuller | Stanzilla, somewhat |
| 21:39.01 | Tuller | nevcairiel, nope, but it is essentailly a fork of Bagnon_Forever |
| 21:40.32 | nevcairiel | i guess i could just look into its data table, but that feels ugly |
| 21:41.56 | Tuller | yep :) |
| 21:42.08 | nevcairiel | anyway, i kinda like the extra currency pop-out there, interestingly until someone requested the feature i didnt even know you could do that |
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| 22:47.15 | Arrowmaster | i need a paladin deck for dailies |
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