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| 00:02.28 | Eol | Well, time to call it aday. I love developing addons during company time! |
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| 00:06.25 | WrathTECH | Hrrrm. Seems my timer code broke at some point |
| 00:06.47 | Primer | Anyone here use github for a popular project? I'm wondering if the comments I'm leaving in an existing bug are just being ignored since adding a comment to a bug doesn't change the order of issues. Presumably the author receives emails for every comment? |
| 00:07.42 | Primer | The issue I'm commenting on is in page 3 of the issue tracker |
| 00:08.33 | nevcairiel | that depends if they choose to receive notifications for their project |
| 00:13.27 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.06 | Semlar | i bow to no deer |
| 00:36.39 | karl_w_w | oculus rift recommended specs are out, gtx 970/r9 290 + i5-4590 |
| 00:37.01 | nevcairiel | i find it odd that they are recommending specs, shouldnt that be left to the games =p |
| 00:37.27 | karl_w_w | https://www.oculus.com/blog/powering-the-rift/ |
| 00:38.48 | nevcairiel | its pretty high recommendations though, but well, its for hardware released a year from now, by then its probably just mediocre at best |
| 00:39.25 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/garywhitta/status/598189480474873856 |
| 00:39.37 | Amarande | and probably a good thing they're getting it out while the getting is good |
| 00:39.57 | Amarande | if 4k gets enough geek cred first, VR might well be vaporware reality |
| 00:40.41 | nevcairiel | 4K for gaming isnt really required, it just burns GPU resources for barely a tangible benefit |
| 00:41.04 | Amarande | in order for Rift to really take off it's going to need AAA game support, which means enough people need to buy it to justify to AAA publisher management their dev costs |
| 00:41.35 | Amarande | if it didn't get out till expectations got too high ... crater because of the economy meaning people are less, not more, able to afford new gadgets anymore |
| 00:42.02 | nevcairiel | there is a lot of big names backing VR, its going to happen |
| 00:42.55 | Amarande | wow, double USB3 |
| 00:43.05 | karl_w_w | hahahaha |
| 00:43.06 | Amarande | that could be a sticking point, especially depending on people's chassis design :| |
| 00:43.26 | Amarande | "you mean I have to hook this bastard up to the rear? that's awfully clunky" :P |
| 00:43.27 | karl_w_w | you think 4k might kill off VR? |
| 00:43.55 | karl_w_w | that's like saying HD TV might kill off IP TV |
| 00:44.07 | Amarande | karl_w_w: because if you tried to introduce VR as 4k, it would involve such high prices that not enough people would be able to afford it to justify the cost of support to AAA devs, who need millions of sales per title |
| 00:45.03 | Amarande | (I don't think there's enough people in the western 1% to produce AAA level sales, unless maybe nearly EVERYONE in the demographic played, heh) |
| 00:45.17 | karl_w_w | the rift is 2160Ã1200 |
| 00:45.25 | karl_w_w | and doesn't require AAA games |
| 00:45.36 | Amarande | yeah, that's a more reasonable resolution |
| 00:45.59 | Amarande | karl_w_w: if there aren't AAA games to play on it, a lot of game buyers might not be interested |
| 00:46.19 | Amarande | plenty of gamers only play the latest AAA and regard everything else as uncool :P |
| 00:46.40 | Amarande | then VR goes from being the next great thing to a niche geek tool |
| 00:47.15 | karl_w_w | regardless, plenty of AAA games can be modded to have rift support |
| 00:47.18 | Amarande | "We want to get back to development for OS X and Linux but we dont have a timeline." |
| 00:47.26 | Amarande | that's gonna be an issue of some sort too |
| 00:47.42 | karl_w_w | sure it's not perfect, but it's not like having a rift means you can't play AAA |
| 00:48.00 | nevcairiel | for the 1% of gamers that are dumb enough to think they can actually play any serious games on osx and linux :P |
| 00:49.04 | Amarande | nevcairiel, you do realise how many penguins there are in #wowuidev ... :) |
| 00:49.22 | Amarande | well, unless WoW isn't actually a serious game :D |
| 00:49.31 | nevcairiel | its a 10 year old game, so no |
| 00:50.27 | Amarande | but I was more thinking of the consequences of it taking off on the future of alternative operating systems |
| 00:50.42 | Amarande | (due to the eventual "you still need a SCREEN? c'mon dude, everyone wears the goggs now") |
| 00:51.13 | karl_w_w | wow the number of people complaining about no mac support in those comments |
| 00:51.46 | Amarande | karl_w_w: traditionally Macs have especially been at the forefront when it comes to graphical matters ... so yeah, not surprised |
| 00:51.47 | karl_w_w | people should be required to take a quiz before buying a mac |
| 00:52.09 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: i like that the only argument you need for them is "there is no Mac today that satisfies the recommended spec" =p |
| 00:52.49 | karl_w_w | along the lines of "do you understand that you're paying for a brand and that you are shooting yourself in the foot in anything related to gaming" |
| 00:54.15 | Amarande | wonder what the chance of that happening in the future is, though |
| 00:54.28 | Amarande | as in, the complete disappearance of traditional computer monitors/screens in favour of everyone wearing the goggles |
| 00:54.38 | nevcairiel | not going to happen |
| 00:55.53 | Amarande | yeah I suppose keyboard and mouse is an issue, come to think of it |
| 00:56.16 | karl_w_w | plus the straight up convenience |
| 00:56.18 | Amarande | I was thinking the future would be you'd wear the goggles and instead of the popular laptop you'd have some kind of compact computer that would go in your pocket, so no need for any kind of desk space or flat surface at all |
| 00:56.27 | Amarande | except yeah, how would you type :) |
| 00:56.40 | karl_w_w | and that is assuming they somehow manage to magically eliminate all the fatigue issues |
| 00:56.56 | Amarande | (since after all the primary reason laptops even still need to be the size they are is to accommodate the screen) |
| 00:57.40 | Amarande | also here's hoping AMD doesn't get utterly #rekt by this, too |
| 00:58.25 | Amarande | their CPUs are basically completely excluded (it takes an inferno-inducing FX-9370/9590 pretty much to hope to compete with that i5) |
| 00:58.47 | Amarande | but the big issue, some game devs apparently are so in bed with Nvidia that there's a significant performance dip with AMD cards |
| 00:59.37 | Amarande | e.g., Ubisoft |
| 00:59.58 | Amarande | possibly also Square, people are reporting that FFXIV performs far, far worse on AMD than on a similar tier Nvidia card |
| 01:00.29 | nevcairiel | thats just NVIDIA GameWorks |
| 01:01.14 | nevcairiel | even Blizzard used one feature of it in WoW now |
| 01:01.19 | Amarande | I guess nVidia is desperate, too heh |
| 01:01.34 | Amarande | seeing that they lost the console deals, PC gaming's about all they've got left to eat on |
| 01:01.39 | Amarande | they lose that, they're the next 3DFX :P |
| 01:02.29 | nevcairiel | nvidia has a 70% market share in gaming systems |
| 01:02.54 | Amarande | (well, I suppose there's the Tegra, but that's been a somewhat rocky ride in Androidland) |
| 01:03.02 | Amarande | nevcairiel: so did 3dfx at one point didn't they? :) |
| 01:03.29 | Amarande | back when the Rage and the Riva TNT were the only competition and half the games were so optimised for Glide that the ATI and nVidia cards were crap |
| 01:04.15 | Amarande | then 3dfx went under and it was practically another generation of hardware before you could play those games again on the newer systems, if I recall Ultima 9 right LOL |
| 01:04.25 | nevcairiel | the only thing AMD is good at is building low-end CPUs with built-in graphics, just the right thing console makers needed |
| 01:04.51 | nevcairiel | enter the high end market, Intel is unbeatable, and NVIDIAs market share has also been growing for a long time |
| 01:05.08 | Amarande | AMD seems to also be good at dealing with HDMI output to crappy old televisions |
| 01:05.17 | Amarande | ... actually wait, that's just another right thing console makers need :) |
| 01:05.35 | Amarande | that's a big reason I have my old HD 7850 installed in this PC right now |
| 01:05.54 | nevcairiel | AMDs GPUs are based on the same tech for 3 generations now, soon, 4 |
| 01:05.56 | Amarande | I switched back to my old TV so I wouldn't need a spider's web of switches and adapters to hook everything up like I did with the monitor |
| 01:06.15 | nevcairiel | you can just squeeze as many clock increases out of the same chip =p |
| 01:06.17 | Amarande | the nVidia 770 was not being very cooperative |
| 01:06.27 | Amarande | heh, nVidia had its phase of that too |
| 01:06.29 | Amarande | remember G92? :) |
| 01:07.23 | Amarande | mind you the real solution appears to be to use a VGA cable with this particular TV |
| 01:07.25 | nevcairiel | not for 3/4 whole GPU generations |
| 01:07.50 | Amarande | however, my VGA cable is currently somewhere between New Jersey and here and I don't even know where because apparently USPS appears to have been too lazy to transit scan this package |
| 01:08.17 | Amarande | nevcairiel: G92 = 8800, 9800, and 250GTS |
| 01:08.21 | Amarande | so yeah, three whole gens |
| 01:09.26 | Amarande | actually AMD is a mix, it seems like they come out with one or two actual new GPUs each gen and fill in the rest of the performance spectrum with rebadges |
| 01:09.57 | Amarande | whereas nVidia uses new ones for all (which is also why you get a lot fewer options for nVidia and at least a couple of them tend to be Ti flavours that don't come out till later) |
| 01:10.53 | nevcairiel | there is usually just one new card, the absolute high end |
| 01:11.04 | nevcairiel | which is terrible |
| 01:11.29 | Amarande | well, the absolute high end card is often the only one that's really better in performance than the past gen cards anyway |
| 01:11.55 | Amarande | if you look at things like the tomshardware charts, usually the old #1 ends up being still equivalent to the new #2, old #2 to new #3, etc. |
| 01:12.15 | nevcairiel | so a future 3xx series on AMD will be 3 generations of GPU chips, the cards that were originallx 7000 series, rebadged to 200 series, and then rebadged again to 300 series. then the chips that were actually introduced in the 200 series and rebadged to 300, adn the finally, the top end which was introduced for the 300 series |
| 01:12.30 | Amarande | also, proven hardware is a plus |
| 01:12.34 | Amarande | look at the 970 fiasco |
| 01:12.40 | nevcairiel | the 970 works perfectly fine |
| 01:12.45 | Amarande | "oh, it just functions as a 3.5 GB card, deal with it" |
| 01:12.50 | nevcairiel | people got upset about some parts of the spec they dont understand |
| 01:12.59 | Amarande | and with 3GB already getting to be small for a number of games? people are getting upset heh |
| 01:13.32 | Amarande | but hey, upgrade carrot for nVidia, which they seem to use RAM capacity for on a chronic basis |
| 01:14.01 | Amarande | e.g., looking at how 6GB 780s were common, but 6GB 780 Ti's were rare if they came out at all (I think there was one EVGA model and that was it), they were practically all the 3GB one |
| 01:14.22 | Amarande | that gives a convenient excuse to need to upgrade to the next gen which has more RAM (or at least does in the case of the 980, since the 970 is bugged and so has barely any improvement) |
| 01:14.58 | Amarande | AMD ... I've even seen an R7 240 with 4GB, heh |
| 01:18.59 | karl_w_w | it would be pretty hard for them to understand it nevcairiel, seeing as it wasn't written in the spec |
| 01:19.09 | karl_w_w | fun fact, it still isn't |
| 01:20.52 | Amarande | I wonder what Valve is thinking about the situation, seeing that SteamOS is all about Linux gaming |
| 02:00.12 | Semlar | that's not a fun fact |
| 02:00.28 | Semlar | you lied to me |
| 02:06.20 | kd3 | so how often does a whimsydale port open up? |
| 02:15.02 | Amarande | ... or maybe we should just all use Google Cardboard instead :) |
| 02:15.08 | Amarande | wait, is this actually REAL or am I being trolled |
| 02:15.59 | Amarande | this has got to have been an April Fool's joke |
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| 02:16.03 | Amarande | right? |
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| 02:42.27 | Amarande | ... WTF, apparently Candy Crush Saga becomes a default install game in the Windows 10 upgrade |
| 02:45.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: Have you one of those? If so, there's a Squarepusher video you might be interested in |
| 02:46.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: I haven't tried building a Cardboard yet |
| 02:46.11 | Amarande | tbh, it took me a bit to realise it was actually real |
| 02:46.23 | Amarande | it seemed like an April Fool's troll (lemme guess, that's how it started?) |
| 02:47.55 | Dagmar | You can get one ordered for less than $5 now |
| 02:48.06 | Dagmar | Just check around and make sure your phone is completely ready for it |
| 02:48.28 | Dagmar | The Galaxy S3, for instance, has the magnetometer on the wrong side, so... some modification is needed to use a "standard" layout |
| 02:49.04 | Dagmar | Since i'm a looney, I went to Michael's and bought backing board, laid everything out in Inkscape, printed it, glued it to the backing board, cut and assembled it, and then sprayed it with black rubber |
| 02:49.33 | Dagmar | ...but at least it fits my Galaxy S5 with the giant-ass ZeroLemon case and battery |
| 02:50.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: The absolute cheapest I've seen... http://www.tinydeal.com/diy-google-cardboard-vr-3d-glasses-for-iphone-samsung-cellphone-p-135220.html |
| 02:51.11 | Dagmar | "Time Left" is bullshit. It's been there for a month like that |
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| 03:57.49 | karl_w_w | http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2015/04/truecrypt-report.html |
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| 04:35.08 | karl_w_w | so im actually considering spending $260 on a modem/router |
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| 04:42.37 | Semlar | i wonder how much my wrt54g cost |
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| 04:43.54 | karl_w_w | this is the beauty I'm looking at http://www.asus.com/Networking/DSLAC68U/overview/ |
| 04:44.02 | karl_w_w | and I have to decide in the next hour |
| 04:44.15 | Semlar | sounds like a trap |
| 04:44.42 | karl_w_w | the store closes in an hour and the sale ends today :P |
| 04:44.53 | karl_w_w | otherwise it costs $289 |
| 04:45.17 | Semlar | well do you want to spend $260 on a router |
| 04:46.45 | karl_w_w | well, I don't think anyone ever wants to spend $260 :P |
| 04:51.00 | Amarande | karl_w_w, just build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8xsppg and install linux on it |
| 04:51.03 | Amarande | presto, wifi router :) |
| 04:51.14 | karl_w_w | I don't need a wifi router |
| 04:51.47 | Amarande | and good god you don't want a mouter |
| 04:51.54 | Amarande | usually that translates into the ISP getting to manage and monitor your LAN |
| 04:53.04 | karl_w_w | please take your american cable internet madness away from me |
| 04:55.35 | Amarande | karl_w_w: doesn't the ISP at least automatically flash their proprietary version of the firmware to your modem? |
| 04:55.49 | Amarande | (meaning at the least that the updatedness and options on your modem/router will be limited to their version?) |
| 04:56.05 | karl_w_w | no |
| 05:10.21 | karl_w_w | okay decision made, I'll hold off |
| 05:10.57 | karl_w_w | I'll wait until my current modem melts into a puddle or explodes or whatever fate it's lining itself up for |
| 05:17.05 | Dagmar | Note: They'd have no more legal right to monitor your internal traffic than you would to sniff the HFC network |
| 05:19.18 | Dagmar | Anything more than that is why you deploy a firewall at the border of "your" part of the network and "their" part of the network |
| 05:19.40 | karl_w_w | NAT > firewall |
| 05:20.23 | Dagmar | If "NAT > firewall" is true, then you have a shitty firewall |
| 05:21.18 | karl_w_w | well, for convenience |
| 05:21.22 | karl_w_w | everything is blocked |
| 05:21.32 | Dagmar | Even if you're getting a /27 fed to you via a "router" you can still pass it all through the firewall quite tranparently without the firewall having to consume a single external-facing IP |
| 05:21.58 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: If a firewall doesn't follow principle of least privilege, then it's not a firewall |
| 05:22.15 | Dagmar | ...or at least not anything like a "good" firewall |
| 05:22.27 | Dagmar | PoLP meaning deny by default |
| 05:22.38 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 05:22.47 | Dagmar | BY now, for me this stuff is as basic as the difference between up and down |
| 05:22.58 | karl_w_w | in the world of ADSL nothing gets through |
| 05:24.17 | Dagmar | ADSL isn't typically a medium that carries alien broadcast traffic |
| 05:24.20 | Dagmar | HFC is _bad_ about that |
| 05:25.34 | karl_w_w | I don't need to filter anything because the only stuff that gets in is forwarded to the lan IP |
| 05:26.21 | karl_w_w | which currently is traffic on exactly 4 ports |
| 05:34.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: most routers have both NAT and firewalling at least for IPv4 |
| 05:35.09 | Amarande | however, NAT is admittedly somewhat of a layer of security itself, given that inbound connections are inherently blocked unless specifically provided for |
| 05:35.18 | Dagmar | You mention router, but the problem is _who_ has admin rights on the border gateway |
| 05:35.26 | Amarande | (which means any sort of exploit that depends on the ability to arbitrarily connect to the target PC is pretty much toast) |
| 05:35.54 | Amarande | IPv6 is a more difficult matter |
| 05:36.04 | Amarande | even though ISPs seem to be supporting it somewhat, too many routers don't firewall it |
| 05:36.07 | Dagmar | If you're not running the sole and last thing connecting your network to theirs, whether they're legally allowed to doesn't mean they (or some damn spies) can't sniff the network segment the equipment they have admin control over is on |
| 05:36.11 | Amarande | which is why I don't use it even though Charter does have a 6RD relay |
| 05:36.47 | Dagmar | Whatever the other side controls should not be able to access the broadcast domain of your internal network |
| 05:36.56 | Amarande | maybe if I was the only person in the house, and I was already switched back to Linux |
| 05:37.04 | Amarande | however, there are other people on the network and I don't know how secure their PCs are |
| 05:37.17 | Dagmar | Nothing here will ever have a problem |
| 05:37.24 | Dagmar | I've got my own local DHCP and DNS |
| 05:37.30 | Amarande | indeed, the first thought that came to mind when I had connection issues with FFXIV a few months ago was that a family member must have caught a virus and started flooding the uplink |
| 05:37.58 | Amarande | (it actually turned out to be a strange faulty interaction between FFXIV specifically and the router's QoS feature ... other games had no problems so I hadn't seen it till then) |
| 05:38.33 | Amarande | I need to upgrade the router anyway, since it's only able to give me a third of the downstream we're paying for :( |
| 05:38.51 | Amarande | thinking of basing it off Linux or BSD and that pcpartpicker link from before |
| 05:39.47 | Amarande | only $194 and it's a full fledged, full control computer |
| 05:40.18 | Amarande | (sub in a 500GB 2.5" spinning drive and it makes a good baseline for a low budget regular PC, too) |
| 05:40.26 | Dagmar | I'm waiting for the Beaglebone or Pi people to realize they need a dual-ethernet model |
| 05:40.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8xsppg if you missed it |
| 05:41.05 | Dagmar | You do know I've built, literally, over 3,000 computers, right? |
| 05:41.35 | Amarande | also I think I've come to the conclusion that the cheapest you can build a functioning PC for, using whitebox parts, is approximately $180 |
| 05:41.45 | Amarande | (take that same spec and put in an Atom board, basically) |
| 05:41.55 | Dagmar | That's why I want a bloody Beaglebone or Pi with dual-ethernet |
| 05:42.08 | Dagmar | They're like $50 after you get a non-suck power supply for them |
| 05:42.43 | Dagmar | ...and the SDcards are stupid cheap |
| 05:43.32 | Dagmar | I've still got an electric bill that's over $80 most months, so I am kinda sensitive to the power comsumption and heat generation things |
| 05:43.52 | Dagmar | Those micro-boars _kill it_ on both counts |
| 05:44.31 | Dagmar | They basically get about skin temperature, and live off 1.5a |
| 05:45.07 | Dagmar | I just don't want to use a bloody USB-ethernet dongle, although I am seriously considering buying a pair for another reason |
| 05:45.38 | Dagmar | Come fall, I will be shopping hard for more plastic skulls |
| 05:46.03 | Dagmar | One of my neighbors got a load of what I did with the first one. Hehe |
| 05:46.15 | Dagmar | I need a _row_ of 'em |
| 05:46.39 | Dagmar | THe thing now contains a bluetooth reciever and speakers |
| 05:47.25 | Dagmar | I would like to replace my firewall with a skull bearing dual ethernet jacks. |
| 05:48.09 | Dagmar | For _that_ I'll embed some LEDs in the front |
| 05:49.19 | Dagmar | ...although I've got this cabin light thing that looks pretty weird, and has more than enough room to install a Pi |
| 05:49.43 | Dagmar | It's a big glass 6-sided prism |
| 05:50.35 | Dagmar | The existance of a system on a board the size of a playing card changes what you can really get away with for case design |
| 05:50.57 | Dagmar | Just need some xacto knives and a lack of adult supervision. ;) |
| 05:59.44 | Trela | "The national average of miles driven annually for pleasure is 12,000. Please feel free to change this estimate." That is double my typical commute mileage and I technically live quite far from work. o_o |
| 06:05.36 | karl_w_w | well what exactly is pleasure |
| 06:06.20 | karl_w_w | that could mean anything from only people who go for a drive simply for the enjoyment of the driving, to every single time you drive a car |
| 06:09.51 | Trela | Pleasure driving is meant as "I drive this on the weekends, just for fun." |
| 06:12.59 | karl_w_w | that must be a boring life |
| 06:13.40 | Trela | o_o |
| 06:13.45 | Trela | That makes no sense. |
| 06:14.08 | karl_w_w | sure it does |
| 06:14.24 | karl_w_w | having nothing better than to go nowhere to do nothing |
| 06:14.26 | Amarande | yeah, you take your significant other out to some remote location and ... wait, this is supposed to be a family friendly channel isn't it :( |
| 06:15.14 | Amarande | (Cut to censorship stars) |
| 06:15.35 | Trela | Not to do nothing. O_o o_O |
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| 06:54.19 | plaw | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0GBeOnxA4M |
| 06:54.42 | plaw | Shirik: don't try this at work... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0GBeOnxA4M |
| 06:56.03 | Shirik | and this is why the FAA won't let us have nice things |
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| 07:04.33 | neffi | Semlar! |
| 07:04.42 | Semlar | neffikins |
| 07:05.11 | neffi | semlar im v \drunk, more drunki then ie ever gbeen, i csnt go to sleep when im drunk. what shdu i do? |
| 07:05.27 | Semlar | drink some coffee |
| 07:05.38 | bluspacecow | bone the couch |
| 07:05.42 | Semlar | stay away from your phone |
| 07:05.44 | neffi | no i zcng xo ghzg |
| 07:05.56 | Semlar | say again |
| 07:06.02 | neffi | i cant do that |
| 07:06.03 | Semlar | you can't do that? |
| 07:06.09 | Semlar | it's okay i speak neffi |
| 07:07.01 | neffi | dloctor said to minimize the caffeine |
| 07:07.09 | Semlar | alright well then drink some water |
| 07:07.16 | neffi | i am |
| 07:07.26 | Semlar | hang on there's no way your doctor approved copious amounts of alcohol |
| 07:07.30 | neffi | but im still like reall out o f it |
| 07:07.56 | neffi | lol no way my dco would approce of tonight |
| 07:08.06 | Semlar | eat some bread |
| 07:08.14 | neffi | but i dont want to make it eorse |
| 07:08.17 | neffi | worse |
| 07:08.29 | neffi | i am eating bread. also bacon |
| 07:08.41 | Semlar | well the caffeine should speed up your metabolism |
| 07:09.04 | bluspacecow | hey anyone with a working PTR wanna do a log goblin for me ? |
| 07:09.20 | bluspacecow | I kinda messed with some patch server settings and wanna figure out what they should be at |
| 07:09.38 | neffi | sorry srerious wow ui dicussion i shrush now |
| 07:10.17 | bluspacecow | ~/lart neffi |
| 07:10.23 | bluspacecow | ~lart neffi |
| 07:10.23 | purl | executes killall -TERM neffi |
| 07:10.30 | neffi | :( |
| 07:12.34 | bluspacecow | nvm looks like they got reverted |
| 07:12.37 | bluspacecow | ~love neffi |
| 07:12.38 | purl | If you love neffi so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 07:12.50 | bluspacecow | *puts ring on neffi* |
| 07:13.03 | neffi | :d |
| 07:13.08 | Semlar | hoof it spacecow |
| 07:13.15 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 07:13.29 | Semlar | NEFFI IS TAKEN |
| 07:15.50 | neffi | Semlar, i think i srsly went way overb9rd\ |
| 07:16.01 | Semlar | don't die neffi |
| 07:16.01 | neffi | how do i sober up |
| 07:16.06 | Semlar | time |
| 07:16.07 | neffi | no its ok |
| 07:16.37 | neffi | L( |
| 07:17.28 | Amarande | bluspacecow: love: No such file or directory |
| 07:17.38 | Amarande | (of course there isn't, remember what happens when you ask Linux to make it! :D) |
| 07:22.40 | plaw | Shirik: yarp :( |
| 07:29.33 | bluspacecow | https://vine.co/v/MAaMYgFqvxM |
| 07:34.36 | Amarande | wow, these new windows update policies for 10 are not sitting well with me |
| 07:34.55 | Amarande | one, you're more or less forced to update as MS wants you to, even on Pro, unless you go for the "current branch for business" stuff |
| 07:35.14 | Amarande | two, unless you're a volume licensee, you're forced to take every new feature MS pushes, whether it's good or bad |
| 07:35.27 | Amarande | only volume folks get access to the update branch that only gives security fixes and makes feature changes optional ... |
| 07:35.33 | Amarande | ... and Candy Crush Saga is a default install app. |
| 07:35.51 | Amarande | seriously, Microsoft. :( |
| 07:36.15 | Amarande | It's Linux time. :) As soon as I get my VGA cable, I guess ... maybe a little longer, so I can finish FF7 from Steam before I move |
| 07:40.37 | NuSuey | haven't read about the microsoft windows shits.. guess I have to.. |
| 07:42.39 | Amarande | http://www.zdnet.com/article/piecing-together-the-windows-as-a-service-puzzle-for-windows-10/ |
| 07:44.22 | NuSuey | lol no option to delay things? "nice" |
| 07:46.42 | karl_w_w | crazy people |
| 07:46.53 | karl_w_w | just accept windows as your lord and saviour |
| 07:47.15 | Amarande | hm, the rate the world is going, I think if Linux ever becomes truly unviable I might have to see into getting a Mac |
| 07:47.21 | Amarande | and I'm not even an Apple fanboy |
| 07:47.29 | Amarande | in fact more often than not I bash Apple |
| 07:47.30 | Amarande | :| |
| 07:48.01 | karl_w_w | why? |
| 07:49.07 | Amarande | karl_w_w: because from what it looks like, Windows is going to be the worst deal of them all before long |
| 07:49.29 | Amarande | Forced updates, gotta take the new features that come down the pipe no matter whether you want them or not, oh and you might have to pay an annual computer fee |
| 07:49.53 | Amarande | plus the increasing vibe that MS wants to integrate ads into the OS on top of everything else |
| 07:50.08 | Amarande | first it was Bing integration, then it's the "suggestions" and lockscreen stuff in 10, who knows what it'll be eventually |
| 07:52.11 | Amarande | karl_w_w: don't forget that forced updates combined with the new "no more Patch Tuesday" policy means that you might be in sudden need of a reboot without any notice |
| 07:53.19 | Amarande | I kinda started to get the vibe with 8, but now I'm really catching it full on |
| 07:53.33 | nevcairiel | you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about |
| 07:53.37 | Amarande | namely, that Microsoft really doesn't have any coherent idea anymore as to exactly what they ought to be doing with Windows |
| 07:54.12 | Amarande | nevcairiel: ok, what's the truth, then? |
| 07:55.00 | Amarande | (especially given that I can run KDE and have basically the same desktop paradigm as Windows without having to run Windows) |
| 07:55.22 | nevcairiel | Go do that, and while you're at it, uninstall IRC for ever =p |
| 07:57.22 | nevcairiel | First people complain that they need to wait a month for critical updates to arrive, now they complain that updates can happen at any time .. get over yourselves |
| 07:57.58 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I think the thing is that people want critical updates, but they dislike the Windows architecture mostly forcing a reboot after any significant update |
| 07:58.37 | Amarande | (which seriously is a major flaw in the arch, seeing as Linux barely ever needs a reboot for updates unless it is the kernel, init, or maybe one of a *tiny* few other things) |
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| 07:58.59 | PsyTech | Is there something about ShowToolTip() that causes it to revert the cursor? |
| 07:59.18 | nevcairiel | fun fact is that many linux systems stay vulnerable after security updates because its users don't know what they actually need to restart for the apps and services to pick up the fixed binaries |
| 07:59.23 | nevcairiel | rebooting would be a much safer option |
| 08:00.27 | Amarande | hmm. do they? I thought APT at least caused services that got a package update to individually restart themselves after the package goes through, but I could be wrong |
| 08:00.54 | Amarande | applications, of course, yeah, but sometimes you're in the middle of something and don't want to have to stop and save right then and there |
| 08:01.35 | nevcairiel | windows also doesnt force you to reboot right here and now, and i doubt windows 10 will do that either, you will have the typical choices to delay it until its comfortable |
| 08:02.12 | Amarande | yeah, that's something folks are afraid of, since the article at least sounds like delaying is a "special privilege" for higher tier licences |
| 08:02.35 | Amarande | (and indeed even in 8.1 you need to use gpedit - which is Pro only - or a registry hack to override the normal forced time limit on rebooting) |
| 08:03.07 | nevcairiel | i didnt override anything, and i can delay the reboot at least for half a day or so, dont think i ever let it sit any longer |
| 08:03.10 | Amarande | still, on linux you generally are encouraged to just restart the specific software in question, whereas Windows likes you to reboot the whole PC |
| 08:04.30 | Amarande | (And then deal with the whole mostly silent hold-your-horses, as anyone who's tried to open programs too soon after login on Windows knows :P) |
| 08:05.01 | nevcairiel | get a faster system, as soon as I see my desktop, I can start opening things |
| 08:05.16 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I have a Xeon E3 hyperthreading and an SSD |
| 08:05.39 | Amarande | still, if I try to, say, load Chrome the moment that the desktop comes up, I get an odd message about Chrome not shutting down properly |
| 08:05.55 | Amarande | apparently because the system is still doing some background housekeeping even when the desktop first becomes interactive |
| 08:06.09 | Amarande | (if you wait, you don't see the "didn't shut down" message at all) |
| 08:07.24 | Amarande | apparently, this is because Windows waits till you actually log in to do many initialisation tasks (okay, Linux has the DE initialisation, but other than that everything's squared away during boot) |
| 08:07.56 | Amarande | (from what I hear this is so that Microsoft can sell customers on faster boot speeds) |
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| 08:45.49 | karl_w_w | isn't it interesting that youtube videos load painfully slowly |
| 08:45.58 | karl_w_w | all except for movie trailers |
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| 16:41.49 | kd3 | haha. the whitehouse petition to do something about the banwave got deleted. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/today-5132015-world-warcraft-population-demands-unbanning-their-toon-and-change-terms-so-we-can-play |
| 16:42.19 | Ressy | lol |
| 16:43.23 | mikma | kd3: that's because the banwave was deserved. fuckers. |
| 16:43.53 | kd3 | oh I agree. I'm still just laughing at the whole situation |
| 16:44.42 | mikma | yes, true. laughing is ok |
| 16:44.50 | Fisker | why deleted kd3 _ |
| 16:45.09 | Fisker | I thought this was america |
| 16:45.17 | mikma | fisker: white house doesn't care about WoW!!!!111oneoneoneeleven |
| 16:45.40 | Fisker | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2zlPNGuPbw |
| 16:46.19 | mikma | hah |
| 16:56.38 | Arrowmaster | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRsfOGJ5lZg |
| 16:56.51 | Arrowmaster | you cant not laugh at that |
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| 17:06.15 | kd3 | whee, my fourth legendary. thori'dal. too bad it's just going right in my bank |
| 17:13.55 | Gnarfoz | waiting for restrictions on xmog to be lifted one day? ;p |
| 17:14.12 | kd3 | nah. just surprised that it dropped out of the blue |
| 17:14.29 | kd3 | I'm still kinda annoyed that one of illidan's glaives dropped on the 6.1 ptr for me... |
| 17:17.04 | Shirik | russian rocket just failed |
| 17:17.12 | Shirik | seems like they're not having much luck recently |
| 17:18.21 | kd3 | you mean since the mexican satellite failure this morning? |
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| 17:43.46 | Gnarfoz | aaand I cut myself chopping salad stuffs. more proof that salad is evil. |
| 17:44.12 | Stanzilla | dont have to do dressing now |
| 17:44.14 | Semlar | it was self defense |
| 17:44.15 | Stanzilla | all done |
| 17:45.11 | Stanzilla | http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/3627ws/last_night_the_world_of_warcraft_community_saved/ |
| 17:46.31 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: wound dressing |
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| 17:47.58 | WrathTECH | Stanzilla, is that your post on reddit? |
| 17:48.12 | Fisker | Obviously |
| 17:48.21 | Stanzilla | WrathTECH: no |
| 17:48.33 | WrathTECH | kk |
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| 17:52.05 | WrathTECH | Fisker, sorry for asking, been dealing with depression and anxiety myself. |
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| 17:52.38 | Kowh | idly hates upon Windows focus behaviour, again. |
| 17:53.00 | Fisker | It's alright WrathTECH I'm only kidding around |
| 17:53.46 | WrathTECH | lol. I can't tell atm. Sleeping pills are kicking into full gear |
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| 19:13.03 | kd3 | wait, what? actually sending flight commands? bad, bad... https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2082796-gov-uscourts-nynd-102002-1-0.html |
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| 19:19.18 | Fisker | What is it about kd3? |
| 19:19.29 | Fisker | Can't watch that properly on my phone |
| 19:19.48 | kd3 | someone was sending flight commands from the in-flight-entertainment system on a united flight |
| 19:20.38 | Fisker | Why can you do that from the entertainment system? |
| 19:20.45 | kd3 | because united are idiots |
| 19:20.47 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/fbi-researcher-admitted-to-hacking-plane-in-flight-causing-it-to-climb/ |
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| 19:22.37 | Fisker | Oh that guy |
| 19:27.30 | fewyn | http://gooseberrycreative.com/cmder/ i just realized this comes with ssh and scp so i don't have to use putty anymore |
| 19:27.36 | fewyn | also it has ~tabs~ |
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| 20:06.02 | zenzelezz | another Russian rocket failed... this is getting awkward |
| 20:23.04 | Shirik | This is why America is fat. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/carls-jr-most-american-thickburger_n_7285596.html |
| 20:24.55 | fewyn | https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn this is why everyone is fat |
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| 20:31.11 | Shirik | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/uw61003707#general_summary |
| 20:31.17 | Shirik | not fair, I didn't even get to feel it :( |
| 20:31.23 | Shirik | it's only like 20 miles from me |
| 20:31.44 | cogwheel | i would've slept through the Napa quake if my wife & dogs hadn't freaked out |
| 20:31.50 | kd3 | eh. I'm going to have to get used to sleeping through earthquakes soon |
| 20:32.11 | kd3 | coming from atlanta where tremblors are enough to take down the 911 call centers in half the state... |
| 20:32.14 | cogwheel | by the time it got to our house it was still high magnitude but the two mountain ranges between here and napa acted like a low pass filter |
| 20:32.22 | cogwheel | so it was a nice gentle swaying |
| 20:33.40 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 20:34.01 | cogwheel | Shirik: more like "this is why carls jr is the best large fast food burger chain" |
| 20:34.28 | cogwheel | ohai |
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| 21:26.32 | Shirik | y u no hey Fisker? |
| 21:26.56 | Fisker | You never call :( |
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| 21:52.26 | plaw | Cairenn|afk: https://imgur.com/gallery/YInrX8l |
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| 22:26.00 | Cairenn|afk | is confused by that pic |
| 22:36.28 | Kowh | Cairenn: Think Terrance and Phillip |
| 22:47.30 | fewyn | the amazon silverlight player for instant video sucks |
| 22:50.10 | Cairenn|afk | ah,of course, duh |
| 22:51.43 | foxlit | so eu battle.net auth servers died. |
| 23:12.43 | p3lim | blizzard makes the longest minutes |
| 23:13.16 | kullervo | nah, the military makes those |
| 23:13.51 | p3lim | I'm pretty sure blizzard puts up a stiff competition |
| 23:15.15 | kullervo | they sure do |
| 23:29.27 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk: I'm pretty sure I've never seen a cat do this before now... https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CFKIyncWIAABTCH.mp4 |
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| 23:33.03 | kd3 | one of my parents' cats likes getting picked up like a toddler. walks up to you, stands on it's back legs, puts its forelegs on your thigh and starts meowing until you grab it's torso |
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| 23:43.38 | p3lim | login servers are back up |
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| 23:52.09 | Amarande | welp, no VGA cable for me it seems. seriously, USPS? undeliverable as addressed? in the wrong ZIP altogether? |
| 23:52.19 | Amarande | *shakes head* |
| 23:52.29 | Amarande | well, a few more years of this and I betcha local business districts start thriving again |
| 23:52.49 | Amarande | pity it's at the expense of innocent consumers like me, though :| |
| 23:57.55 | plaw | https://imgur.com/gallery/xYybEzx |
| 23:58.45 | Amarande | hm, that garry's mod or something else? |