| 00:00.01 | WrathTECHa | Yeah Belkin is a pretty crappy brand |
| 00:00.16 | WrathTECHa | I've alwyas had my faith with D-Link |
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| 00:02.48 | WrathTECH | Im sure that Windows Internet Connection Sharing is also another good cause of my issues. But I gotta run it to get internet to another building. :( |
| 00:03.03 | kullervo | WrathTECH: why not use hardware |
| 00:03.42 | WrathTECH | It's in credibly complicated. Can't run a underground cable du to placement of the Power and Phone lines. |
| 00:03.55 | kullervo | directed wlan |
| 00:04.47 | WrathTECH | I'm using Wlan, works fine. Other building gets 4 bars (only about 100 feet away) |
| 00:04.56 | kullervo | then why do you need windows connection sharing |
| 00:05.09 | Amarande | yeah I like my D-Link, except that it limits my 60/3 cable connection to 20/3 (seems to be a hardware limitation, probably the CPU is too weak to keep up) |
| 00:05.12 | WrathTECH | Like I said, it's incredibly complicated. |
| 00:05.25 | kullervo | surely just because you're making it |
| 00:05.34 | WrathTECH | My other techie friends don't see another way around |
| 00:05.54 | WrathTECH | No, just cause you don't know the land here doesn't make it so you can say that. |
| 00:06.02 | Amarande | WrathTECH: can't run a Linux machine with wifi as a router? |
| 00:06.08 | Amarande | ICS is like ... crap |
| 00:06.20 | WrathTECH | Yeah, Im switching to Linux for it also |
| 00:07.08 | WrathTECH | I used, a Linux distro in the past, meant soley for ip routing, was incredible, till an update ruined it. |
| 00:07.16 | WrathTECH | SmoothWall, iirc |
| 00:07.23 | Amarande | ... this is why you run stable distros for production purposes |
| 00:07.50 | Amarande | like debian |
| 00:07.52 | WrathTECH | Well, it's not like this is a huge corporation, it's just a house. |
| 00:08.05 | Amarande | hell even testing debian usually runs at a sedate enough rate that stuff rarely breaks |
| 00:08.08 | WrathTECH | Cant download Debian unless I hijack someone elses internet. |
| 00:08.23 | Amarande | (also the testing branch has friendlier IRC support) |
| 00:08.27 | WrathTECH | Data capped internet sucks ass, no cable or dsl |
| 00:09.05 | WrathTECH | Okay, back to my nap. Turning the phone off this time. : / |
| 00:09.52 | Amarande | hm |
| 00:09.56 | WrathTECH | One last thought, wish I had a Raspberry PI, or something like that. |
| 00:10.04 | Amarande | wonder if the newer routers these days actually have proper firewall support for IPv6 |
| 00:10.06 | WrathTECH | Would be a fun LAN Home Server |
| 00:10.28 | Amarande | most routers (including mine) that support IPv6 make it a gaping security wound if you activate it because the firewall support is IPv4 only |
| 00:10.38 | WrathTECH | Everything I have supports IPv6 but I don't know a thing about it, just disable it on everything. lol |
| 00:10.54 | Amarande | well sooner or later everything will have to move to IPv6 |
| 00:10.59 | WrathTECH | Yup |
| 00:11.13 | WrathTECH | Not home Lans, anything internet connected will though. |
| 00:12.20 | Amarande | yeah I don't think I can pull the plug on IPv4 on the LAN just yet here, probably not for years |
| 00:12.25 | Amarande | mostly since my laser printer doesn't do IPv6 |
| 00:15.44 | WrathTECH | So much for a nap, neighbors dogs are barking like crazy now......... |
| 00:17.31 | pompy | kd3: another string of 3+ mag earthquakes in concord .. feel any of em? |
| 00:18.15 | WrathTECH | Anyody know where I put my 10' USB Cable? -_- |
| 00:27.49 | WrathTECH | Lol. Found a mousepad that was missing for 2 years. -_- |
| 00:42.31 | WrathTECH | I sure hope one of my friends didn't mkae a mistake and throw it out when they helped me clean a couple months ago. :( |
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| 01:33.57 | WrathTECH | And THAT, is the last straw. The second I tae a sleeping pill... I gotta stop programming. If it wasn't for a automated backup I would have lost ALL progress........ |
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| 02:02.52 | Jamash | Amarande: While Comcast is terrible at most things, they're actually really good on ipv6 for some reason. The otherwise crappy home gateway they gave us supports ipv6 for both routing and firewalling |
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| 02:32.19 | WrathTECH | What's the best way to have a SetCVar wait to run until after a sound file finishes playing? |
| 02:37.44 | Amarande | WrathTECH: Welcome to the wonderfully woeful world of WoW work |
| 02:38.11 | Amarande | unfortunately, what Lua is by far the least capable of is rigidly ensuring stuff happens in a specific order |
| 02:38.15 | WrathTECH | Yup. I actually like it though, puts your mind to good work. |
| 02:38.19 | Amarande | in fact, it's almost completely incapable of doing so, as I understand it :( |
| 02:42.05 | phelps | WrathTECH, Amarande |
| 02:42.17 | phelps | you know the length of the sound byte ? its simple |
| 02:42.20 | WrathTECH | I'm sure there is a way, I think Van32 did something. |
| 02:42.28 | WrathTECH | I can get it. Sec |
| 02:42.38 | WrathTECH | Just seconds? |
| 02:42.58 | WrathTECH | 4min 41sec |
| 02:43.25 | phelps | C_Timer.NewTimer(function() SetCVar() end, 4*60 + 41) |
| 02:43.46 | phelps | other way around |
| 02:44.02 | phelps | C_Timer.NewTimer(4*60 + 41, function() SetCVar() end) |
| 02:44.32 | phelps | that'll run the function (callback) you pass it after that number of seconds has passed |
| 02:44.40 | WrathTECH | Lol. Brilliant! |
| 02:45.21 | phelps | you can also cancel it if required |
| 02:45.29 | phelps | myTimer = C_Timer... |
| 02:45.39 | phelps | myTimer:Cancel() |
| 02:45.59 | phelps | http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_C_Timer.NewTimer |
| 02:46.11 | WrathTECH | It's just a OnClick "Easter Egg" I wanted to implement, so it's only going to play a sound file OnClick |
| 02:46.40 | WrathTECH | Fuck, I am horrible when it comes to programming, I tend to bloat things a bit. : / |
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| 02:52.54 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.36 | WrathTECH | Yes, Definitely a brilliant way to do that Phelps. Thank you! |
| 02:55.07 | WrathTECH | Back in a few minutes, I need to reset Windows Icon Cache. |
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| 03:27.56 | WrathTECH | I used to run Rocketock... WinStep Nexus is 100x better, imho. |
| 03:28.08 | WrathTECH | *Rocketdock |
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| 04:34.05 | WrathTECH | Who want's to install Linux on my computer for me. I hate going through and getting things backed up. : / |
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| 04:44.12 | Arrowmaster | if i did it you still wouldnt have any backups |
| 04:44.24 | WrathTECH | LOL |
| 04:44.43 | WrathTECH | Who needs them any ways right? I only have some 100+ hours into this addon. :D |
| 04:44.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont do dual boot, windows never played nice in my experience |
| 04:45.24 | WrathTECH | Yeah, Im going strictly Linux. Thonights been the bigggest horsecrap ever. |
| 04:46.19 | Amarande | besides, part of the big point of linux is you rarely have to reboot |
| 04:46.55 | WrathTECH | Yup. Not that my computer is on for 16 hours a day anyways. If I am home, it's on. |
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| 05:43.27 | WrathTECH | Hrmm, using SetCurstor and setting it back to normal with SetCursor(NORMAL_CURSOR) makes a black box, that disappears after my addon is hidden. |
| 05:45.05 | WrathTECH | Nevermind |
| 05:45.55 | WrathTECH | NORMAL_CURSOR must have been depreciated or something. Need to use POINT_CURSOR |
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| 07:11.39 | WrathTECH | Semlar, you there? |
| 07:21.05 | Gnarfoz | *deprecated |
| 07:21.31 | Torhal | WrathTECH: SetCursor isn't something that should be messed with anymore. |
| 07:22.27 | Torhal | What, exactly, are you trying to do? |
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| 07:24.16 | WrathTECH | Program a bunch of buttons, used to html, having the cursor change while over a clickable element |
| 07:25.43 | Torhal | Ah. Well, since WotLK, or at most Cata, they made modifying the cursor a non-trivial thing. |
| 07:25.53 | Torhal | In most cases, the default UI is constantly refreshing it. |
| 07:26.10 | WrathTECH | Im not modding it. Just using a built in function to change it to another that's in the game |
| 07:26.19 | WrathTECH | Very very easy to do |
| 07:26.21 | Torhal | Modifying what it displays as |
| 07:26.44 | Torhal | Yes, as of either WotLK or Cata, they made the functions not so useful. |
| 07:26.54 | WrathTECH | I mean not modifiying it as in hacking the casc files |
| 07:27.48 | WrathTECH | It's still in the API to be used. Im just surprized noone uses it.. only seen one addon that did, was a info bar. Glance, maybe? |
| 07:28.14 | Torhal | It's broken. The functions still exist because the default UI uses them. |
| 07:28.56 | WrathTECH | Setill not breaking any ToC's, at least |
| 07:29.09 | Torhal | I mean, you can do it temporarily when entering a frame, but that's about it. It'll be reverted when you mouse out. |
| 07:29.20 | Torhal | Breaking ToC? Huh? |
| 07:29.39 | WrathTECH | I have it change back to normal OnLeave |
| 07:29.43 | WrathTECH | Nevermind. |
| 07:29.50 | WrathTECH | Getting tired. o.O |
| 07:30.19 | WrathTECH | Btw, Torhal.. you help run Curse? |
| 07:30.23 | Torhal | Well if you only care about it changing when entering a frame, you don't need to worry about OnLeave - as I said, the default UI will take care of that automagically. |
| 07:31.22 | Torhal | I'm employed by Curse, and work on the new version of CurseForge/help run it from a community perspective. |
| 07:31.45 | WrathTECH | Oh sweet. I always wondered what it would be like to be employed by them. |
| 07:32.37 | Torhal | WrathTECH: https://twitter.com/hashtag/lifeatcurse |
| 07:32.39 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 07:32.53 | WrathTECH | Hahaha. I'll be juggured |
| 07:32.58 | WrathTECH | jiggured* |
| 07:33.09 | WrathTECH | However the bloody hell you spell that. lol |
| 07:33.15 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that there's a hashtag for this is a bit creepy |
| 07:33.24 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 07:33.36 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: No idea how long it's been around. Just started noticing it about a month ago. |
| 07:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 07:33.54 | Mr_Rabies | also torhal gief new curse client plox |
| 07:34.25 | WrathTECH | If anything, make a plugin for MMOUI Minion so we can keep ALL addons updated. xD |
| 07:34.48 | Torhal | WrathTECH: :P |
| 07:34.57 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Soon. Ish. |
| 07:35.05 | Torhal | I've been harassing the client guys for months. |
| 07:35.29 | WrathTECH | Lol... you know how to pull your own weight for millions of players then. :) |
| 07:35.33 | Torhal | They've been working on Curse Voice, then the Minecraft plugin for the v6 client, but WoW is still on the v5 client. |
| 07:36.20 | Mr_Rabies | i hope they get ksp added soon too |
| 07:36.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love for steam workshop, but they got curse, so client support would be the next best thing :p |
| 07:37.10 | Torhal | You know, I haven't heard anything on that. No idea how the mods are even set up. |
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| 07:40.58 | WrathTECH | Okay, I need help (Of course, right), but can't get this model to move with an animation |
| 07:40.58 | WrathTECH | local tx = CreateFrame("DressUpModel", "MyModelFrame", UIParent, "ModelTemplate") |
| 07:40.59 | WrathTECH | tx:SetModel("spells\\manafunnel_impact_chest") |
| 07:40.59 | WrathTECH | tx:SetSize(100,100) |
| 07:40.59 | WrathTECH | tx:SetPoint('CENTER') |
| 07:40.59 | WrathTECH | local ag = tx:CreateAnimationGroup() |
| 07:41.01 | WrathTECH | local translation1 = ag:CreateAnimation('Translation') |
| 07:41.03 | WrathTECH | translation1:SetOrder(1) |
| 07:41.05 | WrathTECH | translation1:SetDuration(0) |
| 07:41.07 | WrathTECH | translation1:SetOffset(100, 0) |
| 07:41.09 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.11 | WrathTECH | local translation2 = ag:CreateAnimation('Translation') |
| 07:41.13 | WrathTECH | translation2:SetOrder(2) |
| 07:41.15 | WrathTECH | translation2:SetDuration(3) |
| 07:41.17 | WrathTECH | translation2:SetOffset(-100, 0) |
| 07:41.19 | WrathTECH | translation2:SetEndDelay(2) |
| 07:41.21 | WrathTECH | translation2:SetSmoothing('OUT') |
| 07:41.23 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.25 | WrathTECH | ag:SetLooping('REPEAT') |
| 07:41.27 | WrathTECH | ag:Play() |
| 07:41.31 | WrathTECH | whoops. meant to list the pastebin |
| 07:41.55 | WrathTECH | http://pastebin.com/AVgAaFxz |
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| 07:49.29 | plaw | for the love of all that is /topic, pastebin |
| 07:54.30 | mikma | plaw: "10:41 <WrathTECH> whoops. meant to list the pastebin" |
| 07:54.57 | WrathTECH | ty mikma |
| 07:56.14 | plaw | whoops, yeah my bad. I just saw a wall of code with the last line of 'http' |
| 07:56.22 | plaw | apologises to WrathTECH and thanks mikma |
| 07:56.44 | Gnarfoz | weren't you trying to sleep hours ago, WrathTECH |
| 07:57.39 | WrathTECH | Yea, still am. Insomnia sucks. |
| 07:58.39 | WrathTECH | I thought Curseforge and Curse used the same ID and passwords? |
| 07:59.07 | nevcairiel | they do |
| 08:12.47 | WrathTECH | Ugh reverse engineering is a pain at times |
| 08:53.23 | WrathTECH | So you can't fill in a temp description so you can just reserve your addon's name, and not give people hints on what your addon is. /clap |
| 08:54.45 | nevcairiel | Most people start with an idea of what their addon is supposed to do, and only then figure out a name, not the other way around =p |
| 08:55.14 | WrathTECH | lol, yeah, I tend to do thing in wierd orders. |
| 08:56.07 | nevcairiel | that seems like a really weird scenario .. "I should really write an addon called X, but what could it do? Hmmmmm!" |
| 08:56.13 | WrathTECH | Man 3D models are kicking my butt. Finally got a spell to show, but theres tons more I want. -_- |
| 08:56.41 | WrathTECH | Nah, the name actually came early, it makes good sense. |
| 08:56.53 | WrathTECH | Didn't think the name up before i started programming. |
| 08:57.20 | nevcairiel | then you already know what it does, so write that into the description =p |
| 08:57.39 | WrathTECH | Was just hoping to not give ay hints out to ppl. lol |
| 08:57.40 | WrathTECH | Meh |
| 09:01.49 | WrathTECH | I think if anything I just don't want people to take my idea. It is pretty original |
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| 09:35.47 | WrathTECH | Does anyone remember the name of the addon back in Cata? When you opened the talent frame it would be embedded in a block pincushion and your character would slide in from the side. Was a very very minimal UI also |
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| 09:53.36 | Gnarfoz | if you don't want people to "steal" your idea, don't make the addon public until it's ready? |
| 09:53.40 | Gnarfoz | seems pretty straight-forward |
| 10:10.41 | rid_ | (: |
| 10:13.50 | karl_w_w | oh that is brilliant, a name for a selfie stick, narcissis-stick |
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| 11:24.18 | karl_w_w | can somebody in US tell me the price for this game? http://store.steampowered.com/app/227300/ |
| 11:24.27 | karl_w_w | just the base game |
| 11:31.19 | karl_w_w | and also anyone who can name some games that have had an expansion recently would help me a lot |
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| 11:41.00 | rid_ | karl_w_w: https://steamdb.info/app/227300/ |
| 11:41.47 | karl_w_w | thanks rid_ |
| 11:43.15 | rid_ | you're welcome |
| 11:50.10 | karl_w_w | wow train simulator has $5000 worth of DLC |
| 11:50.40 | haste | better buy it all karl_w_w |
| 11:51.07 | karl_w_w | I find the game excessively boring |
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| 12:15.42 | Semlar | nevcairiel: what's the point of making an addon if you can't think of a great name for it |
| 12:16.39 | rid_ | o_o |
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| 12:27.29 | nevcairiel | Semlar: you usually still start with an idea for the addon, not the name without a clue what its going to do =p |
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| 12:29.57 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:31.37 | Semlar | >_> |
| 12:33.14 | WrathTECH | Can, you feel, the love, tonight... |
| 12:35.16 | Semlar | go to sleep |
| 12:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | It's past my bedtime, Semlar. |
| 12:41.54 | Semlar | go to sleep Lopeppeppy |
| 12:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | ZZZZzzzzz. |
| 12:57.28 | rid_ | I miss Fisker |
| 13:02.15 | Semlar | hey |
| 13:02.29 | Semlar | hey rid_ |
| 13:03.25 | Fisker | I miss rid_ even more |
| 13:06.35 | rid_ | hey Semlar o> |
| 13:06.41 | rid_ | impossible Fisker |
| 13:07.09 | Fisker | n |
| 13:07.20 | Fisker | It's an unsigned 128-bit integer |
| 13:07.46 | rid_ | ncie |
| 13:07.54 | rid_ | also, nice |
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| 15:35.02 | Ackis | anyone here have a recommendation for a pdf viewer/editor that works well with adobe but isn't adobe? |
| 15:41.21 | Amarande | Ackis: chrome? |
| 15:41.33 | Amarande | actually chrome is perhaps even more capable than adobe |
| 15:41.50 | Amarande | I still remember when my sister got one of the dogs microchipped and went to register it |
| 15:42.03 | Arrowmaster | does chrome let you type in fillable fields? |
| 15:42.05 | Amarande | there was this form generated that had to be printed out and signed and snailmailed back to the microchip firm |
| 15:42.27 | Amarande | chrome printed it like a champ ... otoh every time we tried to print it from adobe reader, it would literally crash the printer firmware |
| 15:42.36 | Amarande | like I'd get five blinking amber lights and have to power cycle the printer kind of crashed firmware :P |
| 15:42.40 | nevcairiel | sounds like your printer is crap |
| 15:43.04 | Amarande | nevcairiel: seems more like it received severely malformed postscript instructions, presumably thanks to a terribly formed PDF |
| 15:43.18 | Amarande | no, I'm still not sure how the microchip firm managed to screw up a simple PDF that bad :P |
| 15:43.39 | Arrowmaster | those firms dont know anything about the chips they sell |
| 15:44.00 | Arrowmaster | they buy the chips and programmers from china and just manage the database |
| 15:44.08 | Amarande | It's a Lexmark networked laser printer ... pretty decent stuff. :) |
| 15:44.48 | Amarande | and I don't ever recall a document crashing it before or since like that |
| 15:45.27 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure Chrome re-formats the whole document in its printing engine, at least when you use Ctrl-P and not the system dialog method, so that's probably at least partly why it worked OK from Chrome |
| 15:45.31 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: not sure about fillable fields |
| 15:45.56 | nevcairiel | I wish one of those pdf readers just let me write text on the form no matter having fillable fields |
| 15:46.23 | Amarande | it was a godsend though in that case, even though usually nowadays I hate printing stuff from Chrome's print system, because it tends to be painfully slow |
| 15:46.51 | Amarande | like, this is supposed to be something on the order of a 30ppm printer and I'd get print speeds that made me feel like I still had an ink jet |
| 15:47.43 | Maldivia | print speed is basically how fast it can run a blank sheet through the machine without printing anytng on it... |
| 15:48.45 | nevcairiel | on modern laser printers, thats probably true |
| 15:48.50 | nevcairiel | printing doesnt really slow it down |
| 15:48.50 | Amarande | Maldivia: anything I've had printed through Windows or Linux print systems normally has been several times faster than anything that goes through chrome's snazzy print preview |
| 15:49.21 | Amarande | (excepting Debian wheezy's version of cups that seemed to be extraordinarily, well, wheezy for some reason ... I have to wonder if there was code in common there ...) |
| 15:49.23 | nevcairiel | maybe unless you try to send it an uncompressed high-dpi bitmap instead of text |
| 15:49.58 | Amarande | jessie's cups printed quite fast, wheezy's was slow like a wheezy old man :P |
| 15:55.53 | Amarande | okay, this has to be the most absolutely sadistically placed ore deposit in the entirety of WoW, and that counts the tin vein in Silverpine that taunts you with its unreachableness :) |
| 15:56.59 | Amarande | at hyjal, there is an obsidium node that is spawned literally right beneath Baron Geddon's feet |
| 15:57.15 | Amarande | I wonder how much gold Blizzard's reclaimed over the years from the economy in the form of repair bills when suckers try to grab it :) |
| 16:06.48 | cogwheel | Ackis: Nitro pdf maybe? (TinyCo kicked their asses at ping pong) |
| 16:09.15 | Ackis | ouch - I was looking for something free cogwheel =/ |
| 16:09.32 | nevcairiel | sumatra pdf maybe |
| 16:09.33 | cogwheel | idunno... i just used the viewer |
| 16:09.37 | nevcairiel | no idea how well it works |
| 16:09.42 | nevcairiel | or do you actually want a writer |
| 16:10.07 | Ackis | mainly a reader, but the ability to print to pdf |
| 16:10.32 | nevcairiel | doesnt every modern version of office include a built-in pdf converter or something |
| 16:10.59 | Ackis | hell if I know |
| 16:11.02 | cogwheel | most pdf printers i've seen are either paid or crap |
| 16:11.34 | cogwheel | office 2007+ will save to pdf |
| 16:11.58 | Amarande | or you could use Linux, it seems like the open source pdf viewers tend to be pretty good |
| 16:12.17 | Ackis | my linux box is headless |
| 16:12.32 | Amarande | Ackis: time to get an X11 server installed on your windows box then :) |
| 16:12.52 | Amarande | you know, that makes me think of something sad |
| 16:12.58 | Ackis | I started doing that but them got lazy |
| 16:13.06 | Amarande | is wayland even going to have that capability? |
| 16:13.14 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:13.25 | Amarande | or is it going to be basically local applications only on linux once it takes over, unless you use heavy-duty full-blown remote desktop stuff :| |
| 16:13.41 | Amarande | assuming wayland even takes over, with flaws like that |
| 16:14.08 | Amarande | uptake seems to be pretty slow except maybe among the gnome folks (some of whom seem to actively disdain any open source os that isn't linux lately) |
| 16:14.44 | Amarande | doubtless because FreeBSD is sticking to X11 like glue, and a lot of open sourcers aren't too keen on breaking compatibility with BSD (or even more to the point I suppose, OSX) |
| 16:16.03 | Amarande | heh, from a little google, it seems to be that more likely it's going to be X11 on top of wayland in order to do remote X11 apps |
| 16:16.15 | Amarande | ... which kinda makes me wonder, what exactly is the point of wayland if many use cases are going to need you to use X ANYWAY :) |
| 16:32.30 | fewyn | joy, so the pipes under our sink in the kitchen rusted out and burst a hole... thankfully it was only on the drain |
| 16:35.41 | Amarande | fewyn: ouch |
| 16:35.52 | Amarande | we had a pipe break during the winter here ... due to the ridiculously brutal winter connecticut had |
| 16:36.08 | Amarande | "YOU ARE FOOLS TO HAVE COME TO THIS PLACE! THE ICY WINDS OF CONNECTICUT WILL CONSUME YOUR SOULS!" |
| 16:38.49 | fewyn | we live in an apartment at least |
| 16:38.54 | fewyn | which means we can call maint |
| 16:38.56 | fewyn | to get it fixed |
| 16:39.07 | fewyn | barely any water which is good |
| 16:39.19 | fewyn | so nothing ruined besides the box the trash bags were in |
| 16:39.30 | fewyn | which is fiiiiiine |
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| 16:40.28 | Unkle | station! |
| 16:40.58 | fewyn | potato |
| 16:41.28 | Dagmar | Your water pipes _rusted_? |
| 16:41.39 | Dagmar | No, that's not terrifying at all |
| 16:41.40 | fewyn | yes under the sink |
| 16:41.51 | fewyn | there;s a dime sized hole in it |
| 16:41.54 | fewyn | yeah |
| 16:41.59 | Dagmar | Yeah so there's a reason copper and chrome are involved normally |
| 16:42.01 | fewyn | it's just this one bendy pipe |
| 16:42.08 | fewyn | no idea how old it is |
| 16:42.13 | fewyn | we just moved in 2? months ago |
| 16:42.17 | Dagmar | I'd ask the next plumber you trust to look closely at some other things |
| 16:42.38 | fewyn | rest of the pipes i can see in the house look fine |
| 16:42.46 | fewyn | it's just this one that looks ancient and rusted |
| 16:42.50 | Dagmar | ...and they're made of copper, not iron? |
| 16:43.02 | Amarande | actually if they're iron pipes, wouldn't copper and chromium make things worse? |
| 16:43.03 | fewyn | yes |
| 16:43.28 | Dagmar | Amarande: Not as bad a running water through iron pipes would be |
| 16:43.31 | Amarande | hm, where's that standard electrode potential list |
| 16:44.06 | Dagmar | I mean sure, everyone could probably use a little extra iron in their diet, but generally not much more than you'd get from one bloody mary a day |
| 16:44.32 | fewyn | this is a drain pipe fyi Dagmar |
| 16:44.41 | fewyn | so it's not like i'm drinking water coming through it |
| 16:45.20 | Amarande | yup, electrochemical series favours oxidation of Fe over Cu or Cr |
| 16:45.32 | Amarande | so yeah, reverse galvanisation effect, same reason tin-plated iron was a bad idea :) |
| 16:45.42 | Unkle | Lots of large joint/angle pipes for drains have been made of treated iron for a long time. How old is the house? |
| 16:45.49 | fewyn | no idea |
| 16:45.59 | fewyn | it's a townhouse/duplex type dealio |
| 16:46.34 | Unkle | If the plumbing is really old it might be from WWII era when copper was at a premium and less ideal metals were subbed. |
| 16:46.49 | Dagmar | ...and have clay pipes underground |
| 16:46.54 | Dagmar | Those are _super_ fun |
| 16:47.07 | Amarande | yeah, presumably our pipe fracture happened from ice strain, meanwhile |
| 16:47.15 | Unkle | Yeah. My last place had clay pipes all the way to the street. That ... did not work out well for me. |
| 16:47.27 | Amarande | not much for it when the pipes run through the garage at a point and connecticut had winters that would make icecrown seem balmy |
| 16:47.28 | Semlar | did you pay the iron price |
| 16:47.30 | Dagmar | It wasn't working well for this condoplex |
| 16:47.58 | Dagmar | Every asshole contractor who ignored the signs saying "Emergency vehicles only" behind the buildings managed to keep crushing the _sewage line_ |
| 16:48.16 | Dagmar | They stopped when I started running a camera back there and the HOA started handing out $250 fines |
| 16:48.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: but you're supposed to back up your system regularly! :) |
| 16:48.39 | Amarande | also, HOAs are vile and evil |
| 16:48.46 | Dagmar | Amarande: "Back up" isn't even remotely as bad as what happens when you crush the pipe and it leaks raw sewage |
| 16:48.47 | Amarande | I'd probably rather buy a house from the Twilight's Hammer than from an HOA, heh |
| 16:48.52 | Unkle | The trees that had been planted in the 1920s when that place was built had infiltrated the pipes enough that the would block up if I had chili-cheese fries for lunch. |
| 16:48.57 | Amarande | from what I understand, when you have an HOA you don't even really OWN your house? |
| 16:49.03 | Amarande | you pretty much, effectively, just rent it from the HOA? |
| 16:49.21 | Dagmar | There's only so often I really want to smell raw sewage in my kitchen area, and that is slightly less than _never_ |
| 16:49.33 | Amarande | (not that you ever get to own a house anymore anyway, since when you consider property taxes, you basically just rent it from the damn town anyway) |
| 16:49.40 | Amarande | it's like feudalism all over again! |
| 16:49.43 | Unkle | No. But you're part of a group that can wrest control of your property from you. Really depends on the bylaws. |
| 16:50.00 | Amarande | Unkle: that's what I mean, you don't actually have proper property rights, so you might as well just be a glorified tenant |
| 16:50.04 | Dagmar | These are condos, and the HOA's primary job is just setting reasonable rules |
| 16:50.12 | Dagmar | Primarily rules preventing total savagery |
| 16:50.37 | Dagmar | I've only known them to exercise those rules a few times, one of which prevented me from having to put some people in the river |
| 16:50.43 | Dagmar | So there is that at least |
| 16:50.46 | Amarande | since they basically get to set any rules they damn well want to, as long as it's not discriminatory against protected groups :| |
| 16:51.15 | Dagmar | One set of people who were leasing actually _were_ pretty close to total savages |
| 16:51.22 | Amarande | though that's rather broad, I read of one HOA that wanted a particularly tony image being forced to revoke a rule about what cars you could display in the driveway |
| 16:51.38 | Amarande | because they'd set the rule so that all the white families in the group qualified while the black families all had "unacceptable cars" |
| 16:51.49 | Amarande | and thus it was exposed as a ploy to try to evict all the black families from the neighbourhood |
| 16:52.01 | Dagmar | Things reached a breaking point when they had about 20 people over at the pool, _with no actual residents supervising them_, and their "guests" decided to become rowdy and menacing |
| 16:52.29 | Dagmar | This was about a week after I got wind that these people found a litter of fresh-born stray kittens and _threw them into the dumpsteR_ |
| 16:53.47 | Dagmar | Bodies turn up in the Cumberland river all the time |
| 16:53.51 | Dagmar | The cops barely notice anymoe |
| 16:53.53 | Dagmar | anymore |
| 16:54.39 | Dagmar | ...but if I'd have been the person who caught them doing that, they'd be finding their way out of the dumpster when it was being emptied into a truck. Maybe. |
| 16:57.20 | Amarande | The rules I hear about that bother me the most are probably ones where you're given a duty to keep your property all prettied up for the sake of high property values for the other ... hmm, we'll call them "ownants" since you don't really get full property rights in an HOA as said ... who want to be able to sell and move more easily while some folks might want to just have a house and live there for decades |
| 16:57.20 | Dagmar | Some HOAs are a vehicle for busybody nonsense, I'll give you that |
| 16:57.25 | Amarande | Wonder how that's going to play out in California, heh |
| 16:57.38 | Dagmar | It only took about a year for my brother to stop being gung-ho about their being an HOA at his first house |
| 16:57.52 | Amarande | since there's probably countless HOAs that mandate you maintain shiny washed down exteriors and pretty green lawns, meanwhile CA is trying to crack down on that tomfoolery because of the water crisis ... |
| 16:58.55 | Dagmar | I'm probably not helping matters |
| 16:59.07 | Dagmar | I keep sending videos of it raining to one of my friends there |
| 16:59.12 | Dagmar | :) |
| 16:59.48 | Dagmar | We've even sent him a mason jar full of fresh rainwater |
| 17:00.22 | Amarande | Mind you, I'm probably of an obsolete frame of mind when it comes to sell-and-move attitudes, heh |
| 17:00.53 | Dagmar | Well, my brother took the easier route. The HOA didn't do their paperwork right and didn't actually have any authority in his neighborhood |
| 17:00.55 | Amarande | I'm a late Gen X'er and my family comes from the era where you settled down, and dammit, you settled down |
| 17:01.24 | Amarande | the millennial gen seems a lot more about lots of moving around sometimes every year or 2 heh |
| 17:01.39 | Amarande | I don't think we actually have HOA rules around here, which is a little surprising since it's a "private community" |
| 17:03.00 | fewyn | i'm just happy it didnt go really south and burst the water lines |
| 17:03.04 | fewyn | because to be honest |
| 17:03.14 | fewyn | i didn't know where the shut off valve was |
| 17:03.18 | Amarande | fewyn: significant leaks probably actually prevent bursting |
| 17:03.19 | fewyn | until i just went to find it |
| 17:03.23 | Amarande | path of least resistance and all that |
| 17:03.39 | Amarande | just like how you don't actually have to pierce the hot dogs in the microwave, because basic physics :) |
| 17:04.23 | Dagmar | Yeah it's way better that the hot dogs look like exploded alien eggs |
| 17:27.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: hah, it was actually baked potatoes that we'd refer to as xenomorph eggs at the table for a while :) |
| 17:27.14 | Amarande | (and they actually kinda do bear a passing resemblance ... even in colour ...) |
| 17:27.17 | Dagmar | I can see that |
| 17:27.27 | Amarande | before Dad went on dialysis anyway |
| 17:27.29 | Dagmar | I forgot to poke a few potatoes before |
| 17:27.36 | Amarande | now we don't usually have baked potatoes anymore because too much potassium |
| 17:28.07 | Dagmar | Of course, I'm also the guy who got as far as actually putting them in the microwave before I realized I might need to change the way I was preparing them |
| 17:28.36 | Dagmar | ...cuz a tinfoil-wrapped potato might be perfect for a conventional oven, but not so happy for the microwave |
| 17:29.03 | Dagmar | Worst part: I bought more tinfoil when I bought the potatoes |
| 17:29.12 | Dagmar | ...KNOWING I was going to cook them in the microwave |
| 17:30.07 | Arrowmaster | all 3 of my dailies in hearthstone are to win games as a warlock |
| 17:30.46 | Amarande | hrm |
| 17:30.54 | Amarande | I hope quest density increases in this zone really soon |
| 17:31.08 | Amarande | I'm chewing through Hyjal what seems awfully fast compared to the number of quests the quest achievement calls for |
| 17:31.27 | fewyn | are you wearing full looms? |
| 17:31.31 | Amarande | (yeah, this and Un'Goro are the only two zones pre-Draenor that I don't have the loremaster achievements for yet) |
| 17:31.39 | fewyn | oh |
| 17:31.40 | Amarande | fewyn: no, the only loom I'm even using is weapon |
| 17:31.43 | fewyn | you're just questing |
| 17:31.46 | fewyn | for achieves |
| 17:31.57 | fewyn | hyjal is pretty short tho |
| 17:32.01 | fewyn | from what i remember |
| 17:32.03 | Amarande | I'm talking about number of quests I've done compared to amount of zone geography I've covered compared to total number of quests that I'm apparently expected to do for achieve |
| 17:32.05 | fewyn | haven't really done it since cata |
| 17:32.16 | fewyn | almost all my alts are RAFed through dungeons |
| 17:33.05 | Amarande | the nice thing about starting new characters and not boosting is |
| 17:33.14 | Amarande | the sheer amount of spare cash that one gets to accumulate doing it |
| 17:33.23 | Amarande | even if you try to level professions normally along the way too |
| 17:33.54 | Amarande | though of course part of it is the 10,000g you get to save I suppose or I'd be back down to a little under 3000g at level 80 |
| 17:34.38 | Amarande | (lots of extra spare change because you might as well stick with 150% flight because unless you get hardcore into archaeology it's utterly idiotic to plunk even the 5000g for 280% when you know you're not going to get to use it when you reach current content) |
| 17:37.43 | VIad | wow subs dropping like rock :D |
| 17:37.54 | VIad | I see a trend, subs havent been rising since end of wotlk :D |
| 17:38.17 | VIad | atm it's like around the lowest it was end of mop when there was nothing left to do |
| 17:38.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah when they annouced 10mil again it was purely because of new expansion then everybody left again |
| 17:39.07 | VIad | I don't play either atm, nothing to do kind of |
| 17:39.23 | VIad | except the two raids, no new content if you think about it |
| 17:40.05 | VIad | pets, heirloom farm, wod questing, pvp zone, only gets you this far |
| 17:40.40 | Arrowmaster | do they release the region breakdown anymore? |
| 17:40.58 | VIad | what is that? |
| 17:41.27 | Arrowmaster | i remember years ago when they released one it was only 2mil US, 2.5mil EU and 6mil china |
| 17:42.40 | Amarande | yeah, I hate to sound like the sky is falling since I do it too often here |
| 17:42.46 | Amarande | but I think WoW might be finally starting to die :( |
| 17:42.56 | VIad | the graph suggests sky slowy falling since early cata |
| 17:43.08 | Arrowmaster | hey thats when i quit |
| 17:43.09 | Amarande | between the dropping subs, the reports on Gamespot that Destiny has 20 million players and 30 million are playing Hearthstone as well/instead of WoW |
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| 17:43.30 | Amarande | and Mr_Rabies' mention yesterday about how he can't find spare raiders easily on a server with well over 100,000 active characters |
| 17:43.31 | Arrowmaster | destiny doesnt have a monthly fee |
| 17:43.38 | Arrowmaster | neither does hearthstone |
| 17:43.59 | Amarande | Hell, *I* don't see much in the way of raid group recruitment go on in chats like /2, and my server cluster (Quel'dorei/Sen'jin) has over 200,000 active characters |
| 17:44.19 | VIad | btw blizz killed the scenario thing really quick |
| 17:44.24 | VIad | didnt even last past mop :p |
| 17:44.37 | VIad | also no new arenas or bgs for pvpers |
| 17:44.38 | VIad | kind of lame |
| 17:44.41 | VIad | why no pvp love? |
| 17:45.13 | Amarande | I'm not sure PvP players really care that much about new battle arena art? |
| 17:45.21 | Amarande | Hell, look at Counter-Strike |
| 17:45.25 | Amarande | CS:S, that is |
| 17:45.30 | VIad | they made new maps for it |
| 17:45.31 | VIad | :D |
| 17:45.42 | VIad | also you have million of community maps |
| 17:45.42 | Amarande | no matter how many maps came out, official or player, 90% of the time you'd be playing de_dust2 till you died of boredom |
| 17:45.46 | VIad | so kind of not comparable |
| 17:45.59 | VIad | cs moddability is awesome |
| 17:46.11 | Amarande | (mind you it probably didn't help that some server hosting services didn't allow custom maps :S) |
| 17:46.41 | Amarande | but yeah, almost every CS:S server I saw was running de_dust2, or occasionally 1 or 2 other default maps |
| 17:47.25 | Amarande | or deathmatch in the old Doom days ... despite the proliferation of deathmatch custom maps, including Anthony Czerwonka's absolutely beautiful GothicDM and GothicDM II full 32 level replacements |
| 17:47.38 | Amarande | ... everyone pretty much kept on with map01, map07, or dwango5 map01 :| |
| 17:48.01 | VIad | maybe it helps that it was free to play on these games |
| 17:48.07 | VIad | you dont pay 20$ per month :D |
| 17:48.27 | VIad | if I had to sub for CS I'd probably have it removed when I last properly played it like in 2005 |
| 17:48.33 | Amarande | Not sure how it is these days for Doom, I haven't really kept up on things like Odamex (which seems to be the popular haven for Doom deathmatch lately) |
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| 17:49.14 | Amarande | but yeh, custom PvP maps tend to get a lot less love than their proliferation suggests they get |
| 17:49.24 | Amarande | at least on open access servers |
| 17:49.55 | Amarande | also, in the case of WoW, new PvP battle zones can have surprisingly far-ranging issues |
| 17:50.12 | Amarande | keep in mind that if an exploit is discovered in PvP, they fix it as a huge priority, even if it trashes parts of PvE |
| 17:50.16 | Amarande | *cough* Redridge *cough* |
| 17:51.26 | VIad | still wonder why the rate of content for wow has dropped so much comparing with wotlk and before and post cata (think it started with mop if you ask me) |
| 17:51.59 | VIad | like in tbc I remember the next raid tier was usually in game and waiting while you finished the current one :D |
| 17:52.53 | Amarande | VIad: my sad thought, especially since I'm usually quite the cheery person (then again, there's actually a link between nihilism and cheeriness ... maybe that's not so odd after all) |
| 17:53.06 | Amarande | is that persistent world PvE itself is dying, for probably a number of reasons :( |
| 17:53.18 | Amarande | at least, persistent world PvE on a mass scale |
| 17:53.25 | VIad | why world pvp |
| 17:53.28 | VIad | oh |
| 17:53.30 | VIad | world pvE |
| 17:53.36 | VIad | wont work with so much cross realm |
| 17:53.39 | VIad | too many people |
| 17:53.40 | Amarande | there'll probably still be occasional geeks with their MUDs and their retro Neverwinter Nights servers and all |
| 17:53.47 | VIad | worked before when realms were limited to their own guilds |
| 17:53.48 | Amarande | but MMORPG PvE in general seems like it's on the rocks :( |
| 17:53.58 | VIad | i.e. 5 good raiding guilds wanted to do the world boss, and not 100 like atm |
| 17:54.19 | Amarande | I don't just mean world boss type stuff |
| 17:54.30 | Amarande | I mean the notion of a PvE world where you have persistent characters interacting on a massively multiplayer scale |
| 17:54.34 | Amarande | like ... you know, WoW |
| 17:54.49 | Amarande | basically the whole genre seems to be in full engine stall of late |
| 17:55.03 | VIad | in the old days I cared more about my parties |
| 17:55.04 | VIad | now I cba |
| 17:55.08 | VIad | random people every time |
| 17:55.09 | Amarande | although LOTRO apparently just finally got the Helm's Deep raid cluster out after aeons of having like, no real endgame at level 100 :| |
| 17:55.11 | VIad | why should I care? |
| 17:55.47 | Amarande | But that's about the only real progress I've seen lately in the genre apart from WoW's latest raid, and LOTRO is getting dangerously pay to win especially with the direction legendary items are now taking |
| 17:56.13 | Amarande | (especially if they move to *all* legendaries becoming Imbued from the get go, as is indicated as a possible future after the initial rollout) |
| 17:56.15 | VIad | I dont know much about other mmos, not much time for those |
| 17:56.34 | Amarande | right now it's an opt in process for level 100 requirement legendaries only, but there is talk about it being extended to lower level items, and perhaps replacing the current LI system altogether |
| 17:56.36 | VIad | tried warhammer once, got shutdown |
| 17:57.13 | Amarande | VIad: basically, LOTRO legendary items (they come as weapons or as "class specific slot" items) have randomised attributes called legacies, which start at a base tier and can be leveled up |
| 17:57.29 | Amarande | formerly, you'd spend Legendary Item Points (gained as the item gains "item XP" and levels up itself) to improve legacies |
| 17:57.41 | Amarande | but with imbuement it's moving to a system where the legacies improve automatically as item XP is gained |
| 17:57.53 | Amarande | nice enough, except for the method by which new legacies (you can have up to 7) are gained |
| 17:58.05 | VIad | sounds overly complicated |
| 17:58.19 | Amarande | an item always starts out with 3 legacies (used to be a random 2-4), and under the normal system, you got to pick one of two new ones to add at item level 10, 20, and 30 |
| 17:58.59 | Amarande | thus ending up with 6 (the 7th, except for old and now very much low level LIs that started with 4, is only available through an item that is one of those "it's mostly a store item but REALLY rarely one might drop" deals) |
| 17:59.33 | Amarande | however, imbued items do NOT gain new legacy slots on their own even if they were below level 30 to start with, to add the additional slots you HAVE TO USE the aforementioned crystal |
| 18:00.09 | Amarande | ... which means that if they ever move it to "all new LIs use the imbued system" you'll have to buy 4 crystals (at $10 a pop too IIRC) to get your maximum slots :| |
| 18:01.49 | Amarande | but yeh, it's been getting a lot more pay to win lately it seems :( |
| 18:02.04 | Amarande | then you have Old Republic, which you might actually enjoy in a way VIad |
| 18:02.14 | VIad | Ive played it |
| 18:02.17 | VIad | got bored of leveling |
| 18:02.29 | Amarande | well, mainly I said it because TOR hasn't adopted a cross-server matchmaking system at all yet, so it's still groups where you end up caring about the people you interact with |
| 18:02.30 | VIad | the combat felt weird to me |
| 18:02.42 | VIad | enjoyed Aion more tbh |
| 18:02.43 | Amarande | especially with the relatively small pool of people that you seem to get in queues, so there's a lot more chance you re-encounter the same people even in randoms |
| 18:02.44 | VIad | combat wise |
| 18:03.15 | VIad | btw wierd that in a +0.1 patch wow adds like, old dungeons scaled up? |
| 18:03.23 | VIad | hurray |
| 18:03.35 | VIad | 6.1 added heirloom farm, yay if you got all classes to 100 :D |
| 18:03.40 | VIad | and all the heirlooms from before |
| 18:04.45 | VIad | better than nothing but didnt the titan devs join back the wod dev team? |
| 18:05.00 | VIad | would imagine some would be making dungeons, others making raids, others making new areas, e.g. |
| 18:05.12 | VIad | or maybe only one dev team can work on the game at a time |
| 18:05.19 | VIad | guess blizz needs to try github |
| 18:05.28 | VIad | awesome at merging |
| 18:05.39 | Amarande | The one trouble with TOR is that they're suffering from a severe case of the "TBC Heroics" right now |
| 18:06.10 | Amarande | which basically means at level 60 using the queue to group up is like, impossible, because everyone's discovered the hardmode flashpoints are way too damn hard to queue pug so almost nobody queues except premades |
| 18:06.25 | Amarande | actually, maybe that's part of the issue with MMOs in general |
| 18:06.48 | Amarande | significantly challenging content and matchmaking group systems don't really work out well together :( |
| 18:07.03 | Amarande | so you end up with watered down content almost out of necessity |
| 18:07.49 | Amarande | or FF14 where the EX Primals demand well-coordinated groups of eight ... guess which part of that you don't get in a duty finder pug :) |
| 18:09.06 | Amarande | but yeah, the big problem with PvE is that it takes a lot of cost and effort for a lot less reward on the part of the game companies, I'm sure :( |
| 18:09.36 | Amarande | you have to keep spending money on content or your subs sink like a stone like happened to WoW during the end of Cata and Mists |
| 18:10.00 | Amarande | and that content buys you maybe 3-4 or so more months before people are clamouring for more |
| 18:10.17 | Amarande | with PvP, like I said before you have to develop a lot less content because players are content to *be* the content and fight each other in the same environments over and over |
| 18:11.11 | Amarande | so you don't get the end of expansion ennui effect (in fact, do new expansions really affect the PvP environment much at all, apart from class rebalances and resetting gear progression? heh) |
| 18:12.07 | Amarande | plus PvP has a lot more prestige thanks to e-sports and the fact that the more mainstream populace has usually leaned towards PvP gaming (look at console games about the last 10-12 years or so basically since the xbox came out ... trend has been to PvP almost always) |
| 18:13.05 | Amarande | and in the case of the big PvE MMOs like WoW, it seems like they're running low on new content ideas too, thanks to so many of the ones they've had already having been used |
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| 18:28.19 | karl_w_w | is it possible to turn off the fucking external link warning you get from steam? |
| 18:41.32 | karl_w_w | there's little that annoys me more than clicking a link and getting an interstitial page to tell me I've clicked a link |
| 18:42.18 | Semlar | you are now leaving curse |
| 18:47.19 | phelps | the only time that makes sense is when it has to do with money |
| 18:47.38 | phelps | banks, paypal, payment forms |
| 18:52.15 | winny | what is this TOR game |
| 19:04.19 | karl_w_w | stupid Fisker taking steam down again |
| 19:04.27 | Fisker | ban karl_w_w |
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| 19:39.14 | fewyn | there we go pipes all fixed now |
| 19:40.55 | karl_w_w | | |
| 20:03.13 | winny | so WoW trading card game sounds like a baby hearthstone |
| 20:06.56 | Thunder_Child | hearthstone would be wowtcg 2.0 more or less. |
| 20:07.12 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/835fWAw |
| 20:15.20 | fewyn | i hate the inside job quest from the legendary chain :( |
| 20:17.28 | Gnarfoz | it's so easy now, after the nerf |
| 20:18.34 | fewyn | it's just giving me bad flashbacks to the rogue one from cata |
| 20:19.29 | fewyn | grrr |
| 20:19.34 | fewyn | i was nowhere near that one |
| 20:27.07 | fewyn | there we go |
| 20:27.37 | fewyn | ugh primal slayer and fury slayer? |
| 20:27.38 | fewyn | lame |
| 20:35.25 | Simca | oh man, I hate it when this happens. wrestling with an error that happens 100% of the time in Release, but doesn't happen (or doesn't always happen) in Debug |
| 20:35.38 | fewyn | those are the best issues |
| 20:35.51 | fewyn | breaks in production but doesn't in dev |
| 20:35.54 | fewyn | those are so much fun |
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| 20:50.40 | Semlar | are player GUIDs changed when the character is renamed |
| 20:56.46 | Amarande | hmm, think I've found a new worst.quest.ever candidate heh |
| 20:57.05 | Amarande | these ones where you flap around and have to ram twilight guys in the air |
| 21:00.36 | Amarande | ... okay, it's not actually that bad |
| 21:00.48 | Amarande | I got the impression it was eventually going to get up to some nightmarish time trial or something :) |
| 21:00.54 | Gnarfoz | single piece of anecdotal evidence: no |
| 21:04.09 | karl_w_w | I doubt it Semlar |
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| 21:35.28 | foxlit | and they screwed up eu patch servers |
| 21:35.50 | nevcairiel | what are we patching in the EU |
| 21:36.22 | foxlit | not so much patching as just refusing-to-start-wow-from-client |
| 21:36.49 | nevcairiel | works here |
| 21:37.05 | nevcairiel | i had that a couple days ago though, the client would always say "Update" on the button and then just error out |
| 21:37.11 | foxlit | I get perpetual "Update" -> "Whoops! Looks like something broke. Give it another shot." |
| 21:41.52 | Semlar | updates to foxlit 2.0 |
| 21:43.17 | karl_w_w | "Give it another shot." Blizzard encouraging insanity |
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| 21:51.38 | Gnarfoz | it's what they do |
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| 22:05.53 | Mr_Rabies | <Amarande> and Mr_Rabies' mention yesterday about how he can't find spare raiders easily on a server with well over 100,000 active characters |
| 22:06.03 | Mr_Rabies | i wouldn't count anything below 100 as active at this point, tbh |
| 22:06.11 | Mr_Rabies | and there's about 20k |
| 22:06.21 | Mr_Rabies | but that's from realmpop, which isn't reliable |
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| 22:59.15 | plaw | Thunder_Child: http://photos.imgix.com/racking-mac-pros |
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| 23:12.16 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 23:12.36 | Amarande | I am going to guess that there is absolutely no point to doing level 80 content on anything other than Heroic nowadays, judging by the effects of the stat squish |
| 23:13.54 | Amarande | (as in given how tiny the difference between i174-i232 and i232-i272, the numbers difference between normal and heroic on any wrath endgame stuff must be vanishingly tiny) |
| 23:29.55 | Thunder_Child | plaw: Interesting. Thanks. |
| 23:32.30 | Amarande | Also good god I don't remember getting this powerful after the first zone of cata before :) |
| 23:32.50 | Amarande | went back to finish off some level 75 group quests in grizzly and judgment feels more like I'm GOD than a mere Paladin LOL |
| 23:35.57 | plaw | Thunder_Child: I mean, I grok where they're coming from but I honestly can't believe it'd be cheaper long term or something like that (ie, TFlop/cm3/kW inc upgrades etc.) |
| 23:36.15 | plaw | Thunder_Child: but... I'm sure someone's done their maths somewhere and decided it must be worth it |
| 23:38.06 | Thunder_Child | Not long term, but if you only need burst rendering, it's great. |
| 23:57.00 | fewyn | i have the space jam song stuck in my head |