| 00:15.06 | Shirik | stab stab stab |
| 00:15.14 | Shirik | pip doesn't work in windows 10 |
| 00:15.17 | Shirik | how is this even a thing? |
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| 00:16.16 | aggixx | what's the easiest way to do CPU profiling? I've tried messing around with it before but never got it to work |
| 00:17.36 | Semlar | debugprofilestop() to time a function |
| 00:18.27 | Semlar | there are other solutions depending on what you want to monitor |
| 00:18.57 | Amarande | Shirik: and meanwhile FF7 Steam edition is proving a huge (technical, not game ... I played the game on PS1 ages ago and enjoyed it a lot) disappointment to me on Windows 8.1 |
| 00:19.04 | Amarande | does Microsoft even know what direction it's taking Windows in anymore? heh |
| 00:19.36 | Amarande | I remember describing the NT architecture the other day to another channel as being about as consistent as the design of Sarah Winchester's famous mansion, heh |
| 00:19.36 | Semlar | there are some dev tool addons that turn cpu profiling on so you can see how much your addon is using in general |
| 00:20.16 | Amarande | let's see, unless I go track down mods or special window manipulation programs (which I have to make sure to turn off before playing anything like WoW or D3 because they get detected as cheats), I have two choics |
| 00:20.38 | Amarande | a butt-ugly windowed mode (because it won't actually let you pick a window size that isn't the same as a screen resolution, but IT HAS FRIGGIN BORDERS WTF) |
| 00:21.03 | Amarande | or full-screen (which crashes every time I use alt-tab, to the point that I have to actually SIGN OUT from the CAD menu to get control again because it also pins itself on top, thus causing Task Manager to get covered so I can't close it heh) |
| 00:22.10 | Amarande | *sigh* Windows, Windows, Windows. *shakes head* |
| 00:25.35 | aggixx | Semlar: Trying to identify which addon is causing lag when I do certain things (open inventory, open toybox, etc) |
| 00:28.18 | aggixx | I tried using brokercpu a couple times but could never figure out how to actually turn on profiling :P |
| 00:31.32 | Semlar | you can try optionhouse |
| 00:32.06 | Semlar | still worked the last time i used it |
| 00:32.12 | aggixx | will give it a shot, thanks! |
| 00:44.04 | aggixx | seems like the profiling doesn't work |
| 00:45.23 | Semlar | there is a button you push to enable cpu profiling |
| 00:45.33 | aggixx | yeah, when I enable it nothing happens |
| 00:45.37 | Semlar | did you reload |
| 00:45.45 | aggixx | oh there we go |
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| 01:10.24 | Amarande | yay, found a 1680x1050 windowed mode for FF7, now it looks way way better |
| 01:16.50 | aggixx | very interesting info, was able to optimize several of my weakauras a fair bit |
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| 01:34.47 | Primer | aggixx: I'd say you're doing something wrong in them then |
| 01:35.32 | Primer | I once had a friend try to send me a weak aura with code in it (that he wrote) and I audited it and told him..."You realize this creates a new frame...ON_UPDATE?" |
| 01:37.05 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.07 | Primer | EVIL!! |
| 01:38.42 | Amarande | ahh, uptime with days ... something I'll be seeing in the future again |
| 01:38.47 | Amarande | atm, all I get is an hours based one |
| 01:38.50 | Amarande | ** SysInfo ** Client: HexChat 2.10.2 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro ** CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1240 v3 @ 3.40GHz (3.00 GHz) ** RAM: 16303 MB Total (13533 MB Free) ** VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 ** Uptime: 413.28 Hours ** |
| 01:39.42 | Primer | years, even |
| 01:39.52 | Primer | well, one complete one so far |
| 01:40.12 | Primer | Linux chuck 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 25 05:59:43 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:40.13 | Semlar | creates a new primer onupdate |
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| 01:40.19 | Primer | Debian Lenny :/ |
| 01:40.48 | Primer | It's our NAT box here at the office. |
| 01:46.28 | A-KO | ew |
| 01:46.34 | A-KO | who the fuck uses linux to nat in an office? |
| 01:46.35 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:46.48 | Primer | a lot of people (and many don't even know it) |
| 01:47.17 | Amarande | A-KO: a lot of people (and the only objection I can think of is "might FreeBSD be a better choice") |
| 01:47.27 | Amarande | it's certainly better than the bullshit firmware OS that most consumer routers use |
| 01:47.32 | Amarande | (which a lot of small offices also use) |
| 01:47.54 | A-KO | Amarande: Sure, but for most SMBs I'd just go with something like sonicwall. It's cheap enough and works well enough. I mean....I also think larger scale, too; so. |
| 01:48.00 | Amarande | and yeah, what exactly would be better, besides maybe FreeBSD or IllumOS, perhaps |
| 01:48.03 | Primer | Amarande: sigh, don't feed the troll |
| 01:48.12 | A-KO | troll? There's no trolling about it. |
| 01:48.26 | A-KO | Working in IT in large organizations you learn a whole lot about this stuff.... |
| 01:48.29 | Primer | We're an office of 6 people with time warner cable... |
| 01:48.53 | Primer | It was that or make the linksys running dd-wrt (also Linux) do it |
| 01:49.06 | Primer | and I didn't feel like having and underpowered box run openvpn |
| 01:49.15 | Primer | as that box is also an openvpn endpoint |
| 01:49.24 | Primer | as well as client to our production endpoint |
| 01:50.35 | Amarande | probably should upgrade my router at some point as it's limiting me to a third of the bandwidth I'm actually getting since Charter doubled our bandwidth in October with the Spectrum upgrade |
| 01:51.07 | Amarande | but that'll wait till I've got a couple hundred bucks to either buy a *good* router or maybe build something like http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8xsppg |
| 01:52.56 | A-KO | My router is a ubiquiti edge router lite |
| 01:53.04 | A-KO | wap is a netgear something or another in AP mode |
| 01:53.15 | A-KO | uses linux ;) |
| 01:53.23 | A-KO | I just wouldn't build it in a PC, personally. waste of resources. |
| 01:53.39 | Primer | not unless you have an old box sitting around |
| 01:53.41 | A-KO | Had to replce my SSG5, this setup is in lieu of my pending SRX upgrade (Juniper) |
| 01:53.47 | Primer | and don't care about power usage |
| 01:54.21 | Primer | The NAT box here is about 9 years old |
| 01:54.46 | A-KO | dunno, I'm so used to watching the difference in performance between say onboard nics and dedicated intel nics and other things (like how fast ACLs will block traffic without going through any stateful engines) it's really hard for me to advocate the cheap old dumb pc that people have sitting around. |
| 01:54.48 | A-KO | But I'm biased. |
| 01:54.55 | Primer | heh, it's a dual dual core opteron |
| 01:54.57 | A-KO | latency is kind |
| 01:55.02 | A-KO | king* |
| 01:55.22 | Primer | not when your upstream is time warner |
| 01:55.39 | A-KO | I use Comcast... |
| 01:55.57 | Primer | we get 2m up |
| 01:56.03 | Primer | and like it, as we can get nothing else |
| 02:08.11 | aggixx | Primer: It was just a matter of changing a couple auras from on update to triggered, they weren't really doing any heavy lifting so I'm not sure why it had such an impact |
| 02:08.28 | aggixx | maybe the CPU usage is listed in something other than cpu seconds |
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| 02:09.41 | plaw | grabs another bucket of popcorn http://steamcommunity.com//app/271590/reviews/ |
| 02:10.52 | aggixx | it just says "CPU/sec" maybe that's operations per second |
| 02:11.17 | aggixx | but what ever the number signifies, it went down significantly |
| 02:12.12 | Amarande | A-KO: from what I've seen, good consumer routers cost about the same $200 that that PC build I just linked costs |
| 02:12.28 | Amarande | then again, you do get ethernet ports with that ... whereas the PC build linked would be WLAN only |
| 02:12.43 | Amarande | then again, consumer routers often have weak CPUs that can't handle a full high speed cable connection anymore |
| 02:12.57 | Amarande | which is the problem with mine ... my D-Link is just lovely, except its CPU isn't fast enough to handle more than 20Mbps down |
| 02:13.16 | Amarande | and we got bumped up from 30 to 60 in October (everyone got 2x speed from Charter when they went Spectrum) |
| 02:13.36 | Amarande | 30Mbps at 20, that I didn't really care much about since I figured congestion would probably cut the performance at peak hours anyway ... but 60Mbps at 20 is kinda :( |
| 02:14.55 | Amarande | though I'm also not sure (regarding building a low end PC for router use) how much or if one might cut the costs by using Atom instead of Kabini |
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| 02:28.13 | cogwheel | waves at Iriel |
| 02:28.48 | Iriel | locg |
| 02:28.52 | Iriel | locog, even |
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| 02:43.14 | Jamash | Amarande: http://amzn.com/B00I2N6O0W (haven't used it myself, but DD-WRT built-in for $130 is pretty sweet) |
| 02:50.29 | Simca | reviews are pretty mediocre |
| 02:56.04 | Simca | assuming you don't give a crap about AC, I can recommend http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Wireless-Router-Gigabit-WNDR3700/dp/B002HWRJY4/ |
| 02:56.13 | Simca | I have a couple of them and they work pretty great |
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| 03:02.53 | Ressy | I have the 3700v2 as an AP.. Its a nice router. |
| 03:11.10 | Cairenn | Ackis: Well, that was unexpected - at least by the Tories |
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| 04:03.32 | Jamash | Simca: the crappy reviews are from before the firmware update that fixed it, apparently |
| 04:13.18 | phelps | so how exactly does this free curse premium work |
| 04:13.22 | phelps | I just keep getting it |
| 04:14.27 | phelps | is it because I put an addon up ? |
| 04:14.34 | Torhal | phelps: Project popularity threshold. |
| 04:14.38 | Torhal | Yup. |
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| 04:15.05 | Torhal | Not because you have project(s) but due to a certain level of popularity. |
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| 04:16.45 | phelps | well thats nice of them |
| 04:20.43 | Amarande | phelps: when you're popular, you earn lots and lots of money for Curse to send Torhal to BlizzCon with :) |
| 04:20.55 | Torhal | :O |
| 04:21.00 | Amarande | right? |
| 04:21.01 | Torhal | I NEED MONIES |
| 04:21.11 | Amarande | or does curse not sponsor your blizzcon trip :( |
| 04:21.20 | Torhal | I can't afford that. |
| 04:21.33 | Torhal | Sole household income, 17 cats... |
| 04:21.59 | Dagmar | An interesting purrency. |
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| 04:39.06 | WrathTECH | Anyone know of a really good free alternative to Fraps, albeit Nvidia Gedofr Experieience has a pretty dang good game corder |
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| 04:48.39 | Guest60243 | OBS |
| 04:49.35 | WrathTECH | Heard of it, don't think I have ever used it before though. +1 for it being Open Source though |
| 05:05.35 | Semlar | are you saying i'm popular torhal |
| 05:06.32 | Shirik | obs is good |
| 05:14.21 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:23.07 | WrathTECH | Heck with Windows, upset with it's buggy gaming. Anybody run Mageia before> |
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| 05:47.49 | Shirik | sigh |
| 05:47.59 | Shirik | there's this french song stuck in my head and I can't find it and I have no idea what the lyrics are T_T |
| 05:49.26 | Stanzilla | humm it for Shazam |
| 05:52.03 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.06 | Shirik | it got me nowhere :( |
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| 06:44.07 | WrathTECH | You upload your addons to Curseforge right? |
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| 07:35.44 | karl_w_w | william shatner destroys some guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMV1bwXyi54 |
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| 08:06.20 | Gnarfoz | WrathTECH: that's one of the options |
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| 09:54.08 | WrathTECH | How do you get a spell model/particle to display with an addon? Trying to get Shadowbolt to attach to a frame |
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| 09:59.23 | karl_w_w | pretty sure you can'y WrathTECH |
| 09:59.26 | karl_w_w | can't |
| 09:59.40 | WrathTECH | _Cursor already does it |
| 10:21.09 | mikma | well see the source of _Cursor and do it like |
| 10:22.07 | WrathTECH | Been trying too |
| 10:22.36 | WrathTECH | Trying to debug a new features I just added in. |
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| 11:26.50 | Industrial | Hi. Anyone know of Team Fortress Classic IRC channels? |
| 11:27.19 | mikma | you mean, the shitty remake with half life or the original quake1 mod? |
| 11:27.45 | AcidWeb | Make one - and you will have 100% of playerbase there. |
| 11:32.31 | karl_w_w | is there even a reason to play it instead of tf2? |
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| 12:14.29 | znf | WOAH |
| 12:14.32 | znf | the token price in KR |
| 12:14.33 | znf | wtf |
| 12:14.33 | znf | :D |
| 12:15.53 | znf | 120k starter price |
| 12:15.55 | znf | china = 65k |
| 12:17.01 | nevcairiel | asian markets work quite differently |
| 12:24.03 | Lopeppeppy | This is the day that never ends, it just keeps dragging on and on... |
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| 12:36.11 | Torhal | Semlar: I wouldn't know, Semlar. I haven't been in highschool for 21 years. |
| 12:42.07 | karl_w_w | holy plot twist batman |
| 12:42.19 | karl_w_w | agents of shield is a good show |
| 12:43.31 | Lopeppeppy | Nooo! *covers ears* I'm behind. |
| 12:46.54 | karl_w_w | having watched age of ultron, I wouldn't watch episode 20 without seeing the movie first |
| 12:47.13 | karl_w_w | it is kind of spoilery |
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| 13:09.59 | karl_w_w | there need to be less antialiasing techniques, I can't remember what they all do |
| 13:10.18 | Gnarfoz | then forget about all of them \o/ |
| 13:13.01 | karl_w_w | ew no |
| 13:13.16 | karl_w_w | then I'd forget how horrible FXAA is and might end up using it by mistake |
| 13:14.43 | Gnarfoz | no, forget AA exists at all |
| 13:15.40 | Gnarfoz | or stop calling everything that's not perfect horrible - it's a performance/quality trade-off, that's why there's multiple methods to choose from |
| 13:19.41 | karl_w_w | no fxaa is horrible |
| 13:19.58 | karl_w_w | it's worse than no AA and adds a performance cost |
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| 15:15.07 | VIad | anyone good with iptables? |
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| 15:27.52 | fewyn | https://www.oculus.com/blog/first-look-at-the-rift-shipping-q1-2016/ |
| 15:27.53 | fewyn | oh shit |
| 15:27.56 | fewyn | itshappening.gif |
| 15:28.58 | nevcairiel | In a year |
| 15:29.07 | fewyn | still a release date |
| 15:29.10 | fewyn | or well |
| 15:29.12 | fewyn | a vague one |
| 15:29.22 | fewyn | all i want to know is $$$ |
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| 15:33.34 | VIad | room full of hackers but no one can iptables, kind of suspicious |
| 15:34.00 | VIad | was just wondering if iptables can help reroute domain.com to a new IP:port |
| 15:36.00 | nevcairiel | That depends, iptables works on a IP/port level, not a domain level, so if the IP is used exclusively for the one thing you could try to do that, but its probably better to use your web server to do that |
| 15:36.12 | VIad | ugh |
| 15:36.17 | VIad | my new ISP blocks port 80 |
| 15:36.20 | VIad | this is causing me issues |
| 15:36.44 | VIad | for instance I wanted to hijack a domain with hosts and redirect to my own server but, oh wait, won't work since port 80 is blocked |
| 15:37.05 | VIad | so to buypass that will take a lot of work, though figured I could iptables my android, since I will atm only be testing with that only |
| 15:37.32 | VIad | figured iptables might help, first hosts to redirect the domain, then iptables to properly redirect the port |
| 15:37.46 | VIad | but need a bit help with the iptables part as I dont use those enough to feel comfortable trying out commands :P |
| 15:38.58 | nevcairiel | I have no idea what weird stuff you are into |
| 15:39.23 | nevcairiel | But just host it in any other port and don't use any magic, just change address to use a port? :p |
| 15:39.30 | VIad | no |
| 15:39.34 | VIad | I can't alter the software |
| 15:39.43 | VIad | it has a predefined set of lookup providers for caller id |
| 15:40.01 | VIad | since I can't edit it I can only edit the networking, i.e. make it visit my server instead and I'll feed it data |
| 15:40.12 | VIad | easiest way would be hosts edit the domain to go to my ip, done |
| 15:40.21 | VIad | but since port 80 is blocked I must deal with that issue too |
| 15:40.35 | VIad | my phone will be trying to access the original url with port 80 as any other regular urls |
| 15:40.44 | nevcairiel | Why would a ISP block 80, that like breaks the internet |
| 15:40.48 | VIad | because |
| 15:40.58 | VIad | their router/modem uses port 80 and is OPEN for router administration |
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| 15:41.12 | VIad | they figured let's block ALL port 80s in our centers to fix the issue |
| 15:41.28 | VIad | instead of properly only allowing access to router at port 80 from within the network, but anyway |
| 15:41.28 | nevcairiel | You are obviously confused |
| 15:41.42 | VIad | dunno, but you can't reach the network from port 80 |
| 15:41.44 | VIad | it times out |
| 15:42.06 | nevcairiel | Just let the phone connect to it's original destination, no mess to be had |
| 15:42.11 | VIad | no |
| 15:42.28 | VIad | I want to add caller id lookup on my phone |
| 15:42.34 | VIad | android has built in US services |
| 15:42.38 | VIad | that won't work for me |
| 15:43.16 | VIad | like https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_Dialer/blob/cm-12.0/src/com/android/dialer/lookup/zabasearch/ZabaSearchReverseLookup.java |
| 15:43.18 | nevcairiel | Just built a custom android ROM with a new url |
| 15:43.21 | VIad | ops I mean |
| 15:43.23 | VIad | right |
| 15:43.32 | VIad | why bother if I could just edit iptables on my phone? :P |
| 15:43.43 | VIad | seems like the longer way around to fixing the issue |
| 15:43.55 | VIad | * https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_Dialer/blob/cm-12.0/src/com/android/dialer/lookup/zabasearch/ZabaSearchApi.java |
| 15:44.06 | VIad | hosts "IP www.zabasearch.com" |
| 15:44.22 | VIad | but due to port 80 issues need to make it "IP:8080 www.zabasearch.com" |
| 15:44.30 | VIad | but hosts can't do that, need iptables or something to help me |
| 15:45.09 | VIad | let's say I do this to my hosts "254.254.254.254 www.zabasearch.com" how do I iptables to make 254.254.254.254:80 -> IP:8080 |
| 15:45.14 | VIad | (IP being my proper IP) |
| 15:45.30 | VIad | just using unused IP space for the trick |
| 15:45.43 | nevcairiel | Then redirect all traffic to localhost and have iptables rerroute that elsewhere on another port, good luck getting the remote server not to freak out though :D |
| 15:46.07 | Arrowmaster | or get a vps |
| 15:46.08 | VIad | why would it freak out? |
| 15:46.22 | VIad | don't iptables rewrite the destination port properly? |
| 15:47.10 | nevcairiel | Or run a small http proxy on your phone that redirects http directly |
| 15:47.21 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:47.24 | VIad | I'll look into that |
| 15:48.12 | VIad | in any case, long story short, my new ISP blocking port 80 makes me have headaces |
| 15:48.18 | VIad | headackes |
| 15:48.22 | VIad | headaches** |
| 15:48.27 | VIad | typo:( |
| 15:48.50 | VIad | they told me themselves they block port 80 for security reasons |
| 15:48.53 | nevcairiel | Just buy a new router |
| 15:49.00 | VIad | it's a modem/router deal |
| 15:49.03 | VIad | fiber |
| 15:49.12 | VIad | has connectivity for tv too and such |
| 15:49.18 | VIad | it's not just a router |
| 15:49.25 | VIad | some hybrid custom hardware |
| 15:49.35 | nevcairiel | Put a second router behind that one, use it as modem only |
| 15:49.38 | VIad | I have my own, proper, router behind |
| 15:49.44 | fewyn | i don't see why they are blocking port 80 |
| 15:49.49 | fewyn | that seems |
| 15:49.51 | fewyn | unusual? |
| 15:49.55 | VIad | the port blocking happens at the routers outside my port |
| 15:50.05 | VIad | their router/modem thing has port 80 open to router admin screen |
| 15:50.11 | VIad | it is open to outside connections as well |
| 15:50.33 | fewyn | whoa what happened to wow token prices? they jumped back up to 27k |
| 15:50.35 | VIad | they plugged the hole by blocking all port 80 access between their station and the routers in the houses |
| 15:51.06 | nevcairiel | Then use a server in the interwebs to host something |
| 15:51.21 | VIad | ugh |
| 15:51.31 | VIad | I already got one but to get a dedicated IP is really expensive |
| 15:51.55 | VIad | also lame that something I had before is now not available and I still pay my ISP damn it |
| 15:52.16 | nevcairiel | You don't need a dedicated ip |
| 15:52.26 | VIad | sure I do |
| 15:52.32 | nevcairiel | You do not |
| 15:52.40 | VIad | the host uses virtualservers |
| 15:52.45 | VIad | so it checks domain to make out where to go |
| 15:52.53 | VIad | if I want that not to be an issue |
| 15:52.58 | VIad | they need to setup a server just for me |
| 15:53.04 | VIad | that costs |
| 15:53.35 | nevcairiel | Obviously the android thing uses a domain for its caller id so it can just be another virtual server |
| 15:53.38 | nevcairiel | No IP needed |
| 15:54.00 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:54.35 | VIad | ok let's say I do edit hosts and add "194.63.248.80 www.zabasearch.com" |
| 15:54.53 | VIad | that IP is the IP of the server that handles my domain www.bool.no |
| 15:55.07 | VIad | note that going to the IP shows a blank page because they can't make out where to send me |
| 15:55.25 | VIad | they'd also see the requests coming from a domain they don't know where it should lead, giving another error |
| 15:56.11 | nevcairiel | So your server needs a virtual host for zabasearch.com |
| 15:56.14 | VIad | yes |
| 15:56.23 | VIad | and my host don't do that |
| 15:56.28 | nevcairiel | I don't see the problem |
| 15:56.32 | VIad | they keep many virtual servers on their server |
| 15:56.37 | VIad | I can't add my own virtual servers |
| 15:56.45 | VIad | they just give me that one I pay for atm |
| 15:56.55 | VIad | only way is if I own zabasearch.com :p |
| 15:57.08 | nevcairiel | Unless you have some crappy managed solution and not actually your own server |
| 15:57.14 | VIad | no |
| 15:57.16 | VIad | exactly |
| 15:57.19 | VIad | own server costs a lot |
| 15:57.46 | VIad | this is the cheapest I can buy in norway and it costs around 50$ a year |
| 15:59.36 | VIad | can maybe ask my host |
| 15:59.47 | VIad | if they'd do me a favor for a good price, being with them for so many years :P |
| 15:59.56 | VIad | if they add me to dedicated IP I'd be happy |
| 16:00.11 | karl_w_w | VIad, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B04VzmSKnlz8dGNPMmtLZWkxY00/view |
| 16:00.12 | VIad | then I could just redirect the traffic as I please |
| 16:00.21 | VIad | yes karl_w_w :D |
| 16:00.23 | VIad | gaben |
| 16:00.38 | VIad | I love the money flying into his sexy face |
| 16:01.38 | VIad | btw nevcairiel |
| 16:01.48 | VIad | can you use ipv6 in a url? |
| 16:01.53 | VIad | just curious |
| 16:02.00 | nevcairiel | You can |
| 16:02.01 | VIad | tried with one and it tried to google for it :P |
| 16:02.06 | VIad | what is the syntax+ |
| 16:02.16 | VIad | strip the :'s ? |
| 16:02.24 | nevcairiel | IP in square brackets I think |
| 16:02.38 | VIad | hmm |
| 16:03.06 | VIad | maybe it won't work because my ISP don't got ipv6 :P |
| 16:03.08 | karl_w_w | also VIad, I learned dota looks much better with anti-aliasing turned off |
| 16:03.14 | VIad | it does karl? |
| 16:03.28 | karl_w_w | yes cos the AA makes it blurry |
| 16:03.30 | nevcairiel | [::1]:80 |
| 16:03.33 | nevcairiel | Etc |
| 16:03.51 | karl_w_w | and you don't really notice this jagged edges because of the view |
| 16:03.57 | nevcairiel | I cannot stand aliasing artifacts though, they make me punch the screen |
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| 16:04.52 | karl_w_w | the AA in dota is fxaa only |
| 16:05.16 | karl_w_w | I didn't even know that until today |
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| 16:06.51 | VIad | karl_w_w: do you like trymike4instance? |
| 16:07.31 | karl_w_w | he's my best friend |
| 16:07.34 | VIad | :D |
| 16:08.33 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaINwwc_bpk repost |
| 16:13.28 | VIad | btw nevcairiel I just like the ability to host on ALL my ports :D |
| 16:13.38 | VIad | really lame port 80 is not an option by default, ugh |
| 16:13.54 | VIad | makes me want to change ISP back and pay that extra 50% just for the port 80 |
| 16:14.08 | bluspacecow | why wont sempai host my ports ? |
| 16:14.33 | VIad | :( |
| 16:15.03 | VIad | because sempai, by default, has port 80 open for router admin and it is accessible from outside the subnet |
| 16:15.24 | Arrowmaster | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/10119-Grand-Theft-Auto-Online-Review |
| 16:15.25 | VIad | recall 500 hardware or change the central to block port 80 |
| 16:16.08 | fewyn | are you sure there's no way to disable the port 80 block? |
| 16:16.11 | Arrowmaster | this review is a literary masterpiece |
| 16:16.20 | VIad | it's done at the central outside my home |
| 16:16.22 | fewyn | that seems like something that would be a setting in the router |
| 16:16.27 | VIad | it's not :P |
| 16:16.30 | fewyn | that seems so retarded |
| 16:16.34 | VIad | tested and asked my isp about it |
| 16:16.42 | VIad | they said its blocked in their central outside my home |
| 16:16.46 | fewyn | wait |
| 16:16.50 | fewyn | if port 80 is blocked |
| 16:16.53 | fewyn | how does the internet work? |
| 16:17.00 | Arrowmaster | port 80 inbound |
| 16:17.02 | VIad | yes |
| 16:17.04 | fewyn | oh |
| 16:17.04 | Arrowmaster | THEY GO BOTH WAYS |
| 16:17.05 | VIad | inbound is blocked |
| 16:17.06 | bluspacecow | http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/23/league-of-legends-tops-mmo-revenue-list-hearthstone-no-10/ |
| 16:17.08 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 16:17.09 | fewyn | INBOUND |
| 16:17.18 | fewyn | i thought you were saying outbound is blocked |
| 16:17.22 | bluspacecow | LoL is not a MMO , itâs a MOBA. And F2P |
| 16:17.29 | VIad | ah no |
| 16:17.35 | fewyn | ehhhh |
| 16:17.36 | VIad | I wanted to host on port 80 like before with my old isp |
| 16:17.36 | fewyn | blu |
| 16:17.38 | VIad | but no can do atm |
| 16:17.39 | fewyn | TECHNICALLY |
| 16:17.46 | fewyn | MMO = massive multiplayer online |
| 16:17.47 | bluspacecow | *offers small fluffy squirell called george for fewyn to pat* |
| 16:17.49 | fewyn | so yes |
| 16:17.54 | fewyn | league is an MMO |
| 16:18.06 | VIad | massive multiplayer online |
| 16:18.06 | VIad | :D |
| 16:18.07 | fewyn | now if they said MMORPG |
| 16:18.09 | Arrowmaster | squirrel |
| 16:18.25 | fewyn | then they'd be incorrect |
| 16:18.40 | fewyn | hearthstone is at #10 though? |
| 16:18.42 | fewyn | shit |
| 16:18.46 | fewyn | i didn't know that |
| 16:18.53 | bluspacecow | called george Arrowmaster. |
| 16:20.07 | fewyn | wow will probably climb back to the top with the wowtoken |
| 16:20.21 | phelps | I have a spare VM if anyone has a good use for it. 1 CPU, 512MB RAM, 10GB SSD, 500GB xfer |
| 16:20.29 | fewyn | maplestory is still a thing? |
| 16:20.38 | fewyn | and lineage 1? |
| 16:20.50 | bluspacecow | yeaj |
| 16:20.57 | bluspacecow | those figures are out of date now. |
| 16:21.19 | fewyn | this is last years numbers |
| 16:21.21 | fewyn | from october |
| 16:21.23 | fewyn | but still |
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| 16:21.49 | fewyn | also wth is crossfire? |
| 16:21.58 | fewyn | guessing an korean game |
| 16:22.00 | Jamash | AMD/ATI SLI |
| 16:22.09 | Jamash | wait what are we talking about |
| 16:22.13 | fewyn | yep |
| 16:22.14 | fewyn | korean |
| 16:22.21 | fewyn | thought it sounded familiar |
| 16:22.24 | fewyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossFire_(video_game) |
| 16:22.35 | Jamash | oh, CrossFire, not Crossfire |
| 16:23.20 | bluspacecow | wows up to 867 as of December 2014 |
| 16:23.29 | bluspacecow | http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ACTI/4062805265x0x822202/B3182DA4-35AA-41BA-BA4D-CE8014B533BB/ATVI_2015_Annual_Report_Spread.pdf |
| 16:24.02 | fewyn | when is the next share holder meeting? |
| 16:24.15 | bluspacecow | the AGM ? or the conference call ? |
| 16:24.29 | fewyn | oh |
| 16:24.32 | fewyn | today |
| 16:24.39 | fewyn | http://investor.activision.com/eventdetail.cfm?EventID=158452 |
| 16:26.26 | bluspacecow | yeah and their Annual meetings on June 3 too |
| 16:26.46 | fewyn | wonder if they will have wowtoken numbers |
| 16:26.52 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 16:26.57 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 16:26.58 | Fisker | hey |
| 16:27.01 | bluspacecow | lol nope |
| 16:27.08 | Fisker | hey everybody but bluspacecow |
| 16:27.11 | bluspacecow | Apr 7 go live for Tokens |
| 16:27.18 | Semlar | hey |
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| 16:27.23 | bluspacecow | this report has info Jan 1 to March 31 |
| 16:27.26 | fewyn | ah |
| 16:27.44 | fewyn | so the next one we'll probably get some numbers |
| 16:27.48 | fewyn | i'm just curious |
| 16:27.52 | Fisker | unhey bluspacecow |
| 16:27.57 | bluspacecow | lol Fisker |
| 16:28.04 | bluspacecow | hey yeh to you too |
| 16:28.14 | Fisker | no |
| 16:40.12 | Jamash | bluspacecow: you mean "down to" |
| 16:40.48 | bluspacecow | ummm where ? |
| 16:40.51 | Jamash | 2012: $986M, 2013: $912M, 2014: $867M |
| 16:41.42 | bluspacecow | i meant is in comparison to the engadget figures :P |
| 16:42.07 | Jamash | oh who cares about engadget |
| 16:42.16 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 16:50.01 | g0urra | lolwut http://www.mountainsofmouthness.com/ |
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| 17:05.35 | Jamash | g0urra: wtf |
| 17:07.11 | Fisker | Hey cogwheel |
| 17:07.32 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 17:08.51 | bluspacecow | hey is the job quest oh coggy |
| 17:11.42 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.48 | cogwheel | dat sentence |
| 17:11.49 | bluspacecow | yet another ship with name of â[ph]â |
| 17:12.05 | bluspacecow | its hard to feel awesome about your fleet when 50% of it is ships named â[ph]" |
| 17:12.10 | cogwheel | so you would say your fleet is not pH balanced? |
| 17:12.18 | bluspacecow | nope! |
| 17:13.31 | cogwheel | just call it your phleet |
| 17:13.34 | cogwheel | you'll be good |
| 17:13.38 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:13.52 | cogwheel | ~whaleslap Phisker |
| 17:13.53 | purl | ACTION beats Phisker upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 17:15.59 | Fisker | No phiskering |
| 17:16.00 | bluspacecow | $shrug |
| 17:16.04 | bluspacecow | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:16.07 | bluspacecow | :P |
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| 17:27.09 | pompy | zenzelezz, kd3: https://youtu.be/OpH684lNUB8?t=15m48s ! |
| 17:33.31 | pompy | anotehr viewpoint https://youtu.be/5bhW2h08zhY |
| 17:37.41 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 17:37.44 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17261958152?page=2#40 |
| 17:37.52 | bluspacecow | Am i semi-coherent here about copyright law ? |
| 17:38.14 | Fisker | what do you mean coherent? |
| 17:38.45 | cogwheel | do you start with IANAL? :P |
| 17:39.05 | bluspacecow | *rubs at eyes* |
| 17:39.11 | bluspacecow | did I start with Anal ?\ |
| 17:39.36 | cogwheel | Start your day with a big bowl of Wheaties & Anal |
| 17:39.41 | Fisker | what the fuck is that guy on about? |
| 17:39.41 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 17:39.46 | Fisker | That's all you needed to write |
| 17:40.02 | Semlar | why are you reading forums |
| 17:40.09 | bluspacecow | because im mad |
| 17:40.17 | Semlar | no you're mad because you're reading forums |
| 17:40.30 | Fisker | I agree |
| 17:40.34 | cogwheel | truth |
| 17:40.51 | bluspacecow | to quote pink floyd âIâve been mad for years" |
| 17:41.09 | Fisker | Been on the forums for years too |
| 17:41.30 | cogwheel | ~Fisker++ |
| 17:41.40 | Fisker | I remember being on the forums |
| 17:41.55 | Fisker | But my MVP was usurped by content theft |
| 17:41.55 | bluspacecow | making people salty |
| 17:42.19 | cogwheel | i switched from forums to e-drums to take out my aggression... |
| 17:45.18 | Fisker | I was trolling the other day bluspacecow |
| 17:45.40 | Fisker | A friend told me a certain star was the visibly biggest one in the sky |
| 17:46.02 | Fisker | And I told her there was one a lot bigger than that and she told me to show her |
| 17:46.21 | Fisker | And I told her to wait a day and look into the sky with protective glasses |
| 17:46.23 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 17:47.54 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 17:56.01 | Fisker | wow bluspacecow |
| 17:56.03 | Fisker | rolled 100 |
| 17:56.09 | Fisker | somebody said I wouldn't roll good again |
| 17:56.12 | Fisker | rolled 100 again |
| 17:56.16 | Fisker | R E K T |
| 17:58.08 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 17:58.10 | bluspacecow | OP |
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| 17:59.47 | fewyn | wat |
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| 18:03.34 | bluspacecow | kk sleepy tiems bai |
| 18:03.36 | karl_w_w | what is a diagnostics tracking service and why do I need a windows update to enable it |
| 18:07.56 | karl_w_w | "Diagnostics Tracking Service is a Windows 10 service. Looks like they are slowly converting everyone over bit by bit." I'll take that one |
| 18:19.56 | Primer | They're tracking your porn usage |
| 18:21.51 | karl_w_w | oh no |
| 18:22.02 | karl_w_w | they'll find out it's abnormally low |
| 18:31.24 | g0urra | damnit blizzard, SWE stands for sweden https://twitter.com/BlizzardCareers/status/596007175576625152 |
| 18:31.35 | Fisker | n o p e |
| 18:31.52 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/MZ224fC.jpg g0urra |
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| 18:39.02 | karl_w_w | jackbox party pack is 50% off |
| 18:39.09 | karl_w_w | that's the one with fibbage in it |
| 18:46.07 | g0urra | I guess you don't want to play tabletop simatulor Fisker |
| 18:46.18 | g0urra | or simulator |
| 18:48.12 | karl_w_w | holy shit holy shit oculus rift q1 2016 |
| 18:48.12 | fewyn | neeeeetsplit |
| 18:48.12 | fewyn | yeah karl_w_w |
| 18:48.12 | fewyn | can't wait to hear a price though |
| 18:48.29 | Dagmar | I'll believe it when I see it in a store |
| 18:48.59 | karl_w_w | it's not this year but at least they've given us a quarter |
| 18:49.12 | Fisker | why g0urra ? |
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| 20:07.51 | Jamash | so Q6 2015? |
| 20:11.44 | zenzelezz | no Q |
| 20:14.13 | Semlar | QQ? |
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| 20:19.03 | zenzelezz | Q Who? |
| 20:27.09 | Maldivia | uhh, the episode that introduced the Borg :) |
| 20:27.18 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 20:27.28 | kullervo | how the hell do I get into frostfire ridge as alliance without Aviana's feather? |
| 20:27.35 | zenzelezz | he might be an asshole, but I quite like Q |
| 20:28.52 | Maldivia | who doesn't? |
| 20:31.57 | g0urra | wow, WoW dropped almost 3 million subs compared to q4 |
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| 20:35.31 | foxlit | and how much did it jump in q4? |
| 20:45.46 | nevcairiel | Its still higher than the absolute low of pandaria |
| 20:46.07 | nevcairiel | Probably all those returning players figured out they don't actually like it anymore |
| 20:47.53 | Semlar | more raiders are getting to the point where they've killed heroic blackhand and suddenly have nothing to do |
| 20:49.04 | nevcairiel | Go do mythic |
| 20:49.40 | Semlar | heh, most guilds won't be doing mythic since it doesn't have flex capabilities and it's extremely difficult to support exactly 20 raiders compared to a flexible team |
| 20:50.03 | foxlit | "extremely difficult" |
| 20:50.19 | Semlar | yep |
| 20:50.34 | foxlit | literally standard gameplay for like 4 expansions |
| 20:50.37 | Mihau | Trying to herd the exact twenty cats that you need each night. |
| 20:50.53 | nevcairiel | Flexible is quite a nice addition to all difficulties |
| 20:50.56 | Semlar | what? having a 20 man raid group hasn't been the standard for a while |
| 20:51.06 | nevcairiel | Well heroic anyway |
| 20:51.24 | Semlar | 10 man? |
| 20:51.29 | nevcairiel | Getting 10 in MoP was probably easier |
| 20:52.43 | Semlar | but it's impooossible to balance a flexible mythic raid so we'll drastically reduce the number of people who will be able to do it |
| 20:52.52 | foxlit | I don't think the number makes that much of a difference compared to it not being flexible |
| 20:54.28 | Semlar | i wouldn't even care if they gated mythic raiding for the first few weeks or something to require 20 people if they reverted it to flex mode so more guilds could actually play on that mode rather than just quit after heroic |
| 20:56.34 | Semlar | or i guess continue farming bosses that are no longer challenging |
| 20:56.41 | nevcairiel | One of the main points of mythic 20 was to give the developer a fixed tuning target, which this would defeat |
| 20:57.21 | Semlar | who cares if the majority of players won't be able to play it not because of the difficulty, but because of the number of people required |
| 20:57.38 | nevcairiel | My build seems to have just the right speed though, we're working on black hand now and next raid will probably open in a month or so |
| 20:57.57 | foxlit | progression raiding has *never been* flexible |
| 20:58.26 | nevcairiel | Making heroic flexible already opened up an entire new world for those flex guilds |
| 20:58.41 | nevcairiel | They probably did lfr and flex in mop |
| 20:58.46 | Semlar | foxlit: how is that a valid argument |
| 20:58.46 | nevcairiel | Which was a joke |
| 20:59.07 | Semlar | it's never required 20 people before either |
| 20:59.08 | Stanzilla | man that austrian on the earnings call cracks me up |
| 20:59.10 | Stanzilla | 100% arnold |
| 20:59.25 | foxlit | Semlar: right, it required 40. |
| 20:59.26 | foxlit | or 25. |
| 20:59.29 | Semlar | or 10 |
| 20:59.37 | Semlar | which is much more attainable, but also has no bearing on this |
| 21:00.06 | foxlit | "boohoo it's too difficult to find 20 people" |
| 21:00.06 | Semlar | it being a certain way in the past does not mean it should continue being that way |
| 21:00.22 | nevcairiel | Removing 10m mythic was one of the known compromises they did for mythic |
| 21:00.24 | foxlit | "People have managed to field 40/25 in the past." |
| 21:00.44 | Semlar | not really, it just closed it up to even fewer players |
| 21:00.48 | nevcairiel | So that they can get a better and more balanced tuning |
| 21:01.15 | Semlar | and 40 man raiding sucked balls |
| 21:01.18 | nevcairiel | But we will see if they stick to it next expac |
| 21:01.37 | foxlit | 40 man raiding was fine, what are you on about? |
| 21:01.43 | Semlar | are you kidding me |
| 21:02.03 | Semlar | it was the worst raiding experience up to this point |
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| 21:02.12 | nevcairiel | Honestly the number of people that would make any serious progress mythic that only cannot do it because of 20m is probably extremely minisculr |
| 21:02.35 | Semlar | uhh |
| 21:02.41 | nevcairiel | If you really want to go, you find peoplr |
| 21:03.15 | Semlar | the only reason my guild can't raid on certain days is purely because we end up with 19 or 18 people able to make it and has nothing to do with the difficulty of mythic |
| 21:03.26 | foxlit | so recruit more people. |
| 21:03.38 | Semlar | and then have too many people who then have to be benched |
| 21:03.41 | nevcairiel | So recruit 2 more people |
| 21:03.41 | nevcairiel | Its not rocket science |
| 21:03.43 | Semlar | it's fantastic |
| 21:04.07 | nevcairiel | Progress raiding requires benching, always has, always will |
| 21:04.14 | Semlar | it's so much better than just making mythic flexible and having it slightly easier or more difficult at certain numbers of people in the raid |
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| 21:04.32 | nevcairiel | Its not about convenience, its about serious commitment |
| 21:04.47 | Semlar | that's retarded |
| 21:05.35 | Semlar | you actually believe it should be closed off to people not because of the difficulty, but because it should require an arbitrary number of people to show up |
| 21:05.39 | nevcairiel | You want a lazy fun raid? Do normal or heroic |
| 21:05.53 | Semlar | i don't want lazy fun, i want it to be hard |
| 21:06.09 | foxlit | clearly the answer here is that heroic is undertuned. |
| 21:06.12 | Semlar | i don't want to not be able to raid or have to exclude people because it requires exactly 20 people |
| 21:06.34 | Semlar | no, it's not undertuned, this is how progression works |
| 21:06.41 | nevcairiel | Then get people that show up all the timr |
| 21:06.53 | Semlar | unless it progressively got harder, people are going to clear it and want to do the next level of difficulty |
| 21:07.05 | foxlit | Right, so the problem is that you're out of content now |
| 21:07.13 | foxlit | If heroic was harder, you wouldn't be out of content now. |
| 21:07.38 | nevcairiel | Mythic requires commitment, what that means for everyone is different |
| 21:08.01 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.22 | Semlar | it's a videooooo game |
| 21:09.01 | nevcairiel | With that attitude, stick to heroic |
| 21:09.08 | Semlar | why should the next level of difficulty require a certain number of people when they have the ability to scale it |
| 21:09.29 | Semlar | it is COMPLETELY ARBITRARY that it requires 20 people |
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| 21:10.03 | foxlit | It could be 40! |
| 21:10.06 | zenzelezz | Semlar: does that requirement harm your experience? |
| 21:10.10 | Semlar | yes! |
| 21:10.12 | bshelden | Not so. Making automatic scaling be tuned to a razor's edge is not trivial. |
| 21:10.41 | foxlit | "okay, this mythic boss is easier if we kick steve and steve here and do it as a 16-man instead of 18-man. Sorry steves!" |
| 21:10.54 | Semlar | like i said earlier, if they wanted to gate it for the first few weeks while the people who were uber hardcore wanted to down the bosses first before quitting the game, they could |
| 21:11.42 | foxlit | few weeks seem arbitrary |
| 21:11.43 | Semlar | for the entire rest of the population of players, that tuning isn't going to matter |
| 21:11.45 | foxlit | how about a few months? |
| 21:12.28 | Semlar | it's in blizzard's best interest because it's like releasing new content without actually doing any work |
| 21:14.12 | foxlit | except all that work to actually balance it. |
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| 21:15.48 | Semlar | i must just be underestimating how much work it is for them to scale boss abilities |
| 21:16.39 | Semlar | they do it for 3 difficulties |
| 21:17.24 | foxlit | of which two are so undertuned that they're cleared on launch day |
| 21:18.50 | foxlit | and the third doesn't scale for mysterious reasons |
| 21:21.38 | Amarande | foxlit: wait, which of the three non-mythic ones doesn't scale? |
| 21:21.52 | nevcairiel | if they wanted to do that, they would have to tune it for every player count individually, because otherwise people will start variying player count per-boss on mythic to get the sweet spot, and thats terrible |
| 21:22.10 | Amarande | since there's four difficulties after all ... flex/lfr, normal, heroic, and mythic |
| 21:22.42 | Amarande | yeah, what nevcairiel said |
| 21:23.10 | Amarande | can you imagine being the equivalent of the raid's "relief pitcher"? and not being invited to raid at all except for atts on one or two specific bosses for which the team composition indicates that you're necessary and proper? |
| 21:24.08 | Amarande | and mythic is presumably actually hard enough that guilds would consider it a necessity to do so, too :| |
| 21:24.26 | Amarande | unless I'm grossly overestimating Blizzard's ability to actually provide challenge in PvE anymore |
| 21:25.12 | Amarande | since if Arrowmaster's spewing is to be believed, apparently all the sadists were moved to the Hearthstone AI team |
| 21:25.40 | Arrowmaster | fuck those random ass naxx class challenges |
| 21:25.55 | plaw | my kind of idiot http://wavy.com/2015/05/06/bank-robbery-suspect-instagrams-crime-video-robbery-note/ |
| 21:25.58 | Semlar | nevcairiel: because people do that for heroic mode? |
| 21:26.19 | Amarande | plaw: heh, they should go in a cell with the idiots who were taking selfies while looting baltimore |
| 21:26.46 | nevcairiel | Semlar: heroic isnt hard enough to annoy your raiders which such tactics |
| 21:27.00 | nevcairiel | s/which/with/ |
| 21:27.18 | fewyn | i wish [Iron Horde Scraps] had a vendor price |
| 21:27.38 | Amarande | Semlar: exactly, mythic is actually hard enough that people would be willing to cause mass guild drama to get an edge |
| 21:27.42 | Semlar | we've spent less time downing mythic bosses than heroic bosses |
| 21:27.45 | Amarande | or so I hear, anyway |
| 21:28.02 | plaw | Amarande: nah, mob stupidity is fairly easy to get caught up in ;) |
| 21:28.05 | Amarande | like I said, I'm not entirely confident in Blizzard's ability to provide a challenge these days |
| 21:28.06 | Semlar | because we have better gear relative to when we were doing heroic |
| 21:28.24 | Amarande | and no 'FUCK WHY ARE THERE NO DRAKE RIDERS IN STORM PEAKS' is not a 'challenge', that is rage-inducing irritation |
| 21:28.46 | Amarande | though for some reason they appeared again ... on Tuesday, though. yay another quest that you basically can only do on Tuesday I guess |
| 21:29.04 | Semlar | it's a smaller margin for error, but it's really not that difficult |
| 21:29.24 | Amarande | much like ... what was that one before cata ... ah yes, the one where you had to click that outhouse in western plaguelands and often by the weekend the outhouse had bugged out and you couldn't click it and it stayed that way till server reset on tuesday |
| 21:30.07 | Semlar | quite literally the only thing slowing our progression down is attendance, and we're not on a server where we can just drop someone else geared enough for mythic into the raid group, because there isn't anybody |
| 21:30.46 | Amarande | :( |
| 21:30.51 | Amarande | Semlar, that's a saddening thought |
| 21:31.00 | Semlar | and conveniently you also can't pull people from other servers into your raid group for mythic |
| 21:31.03 | Amarande | even with the connected realms system meaning that almost every realm unit has 100,000+ people now? |
| 21:31.07 | Semlar | because reasons |
| 21:31.24 | Amarande | (you do know you can pull people from other servers in your specific connected realm unit as if they were native, right?) |
| 21:31.54 | Amarande | although they still show as cross-server people in chat, because names |
| 21:33.13 | Amarande | but yeah, on the US realms system, there are only two realm-units that have less than 100k players - Tol Barad and Drakkari |
| 21:33.27 | Amarande | and there STILL aren't that many geared folks you can recruit? :( |
| 21:33.50 | Amarande | well 100k characters but you get what I mean |
| 21:34.30 | Amarande | it's suggesting people don't really raid anymore (but what are people doing at 100 then, just farmvilling garrisons and pvp?) |
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| 21:58.26 | WrathTECH | Evening everyone. |
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| 22:07.35 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope more server merges happen soon |
| 22:07.36 | Mr_Rabies | my realm is dead, we're having a hard time fielding a 20-man heroic team, people keep bailing on wow in general |
| 22:20.46 | kullervo | someone's "leveling" in this cave that spawns -91 gorens |
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| 22:28.29 | WrathTECH | Wait, Mr_Rabies, they are still working on connecting realms? |
| 22:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | they haven't touched them since a bit before 6.0 |
| 22:28.49 | Mr_Rabies | but they need to |
| 22:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | we have two guilds with any mythic progression at all on my realm |
| 22:29.21 | Mr_Rabies | our sustainable raiding population is probably just a bit above 100 players |
| 22:33.37 | Jamash | I'm looking forward to them abolishing realms entirely |
| 22:34.00 | Jamash | when you log on, you pick pvp/pve and rp/regular and it matches you into an appropriate playspace |
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| 22:37.55 | Shirik | I really liked Aion's system |
| 22:37.56 | Mr_Rabies | they're working on it |
| 22:38.10 | Shirik | everyone was on the same server, but if the server became overloaded people would just be pushed into a different phase |
| 22:38.17 | Shirik | if you needed to group up with someone you could be pulled into the same phase |
| 22:38.22 | Mr_Rabies | before they stopped working on CRZ stuff, it tended to prefer guildies and friends to be in the same world as you |
| 22:38.46 | Shirik | that way it was never too crowded, but you had everyone effectively on the same server |
| 22:38.53 | Mr_Rabies | that'll eventually be the end thing, you're dynamically assigned but it prefers being linked to guildies/friends |
| 22:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's how most korean mmos tend to do, shirik, but it is a bit awkward |
| 22:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | it feels a lot less like a cohesive world when you can just tell you're in the new, dead instance instead of the lively one |
| 22:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather just have dynamic assignment at regional boundaries, preferring you to group up with people from your realmgroup, guild, and friends |
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| 22:52.40 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: which realm are you on? |
| 22:57.26 | Mr_Rabies | llan-arygos |
| 22:57.29 | Mr_Rabies | llane* |
| 22:58.37 | Amarande | Wow, according to realmpop you have 154,010 characters in the group |
| 22:58.42 | Amarande | and you still have that few active raiders? |
| 22:59.40 | Mr_Rabies | yup, and realmpop isn't really reliable |
| 23:00.19 | Amarande | and Quel'dorei-Sen'jin has 206,372 characters and wowprogress is saying we're about on the same level as you :( |
| 23:01.04 | Mr_Rabies | make it lv 100 only and it's 20k characters |
| 23:03.26 | Amarande | hmm, wonder what happened to raiding |
| 23:03.38 | Amarande | are the serious players mostly moving to PvP, I wonder? |
| 23:03.46 | Amarande | doesn't really help the disproportionate rewards for either |
| 23:04.25 | Mr_Rabies | the serious players all realm transfer |
| 23:04.35 | Amarande | If you're a PvP great, you get mounts that are once-ever deals per each season (in WoW's case), you get into e-sports tournaments, and as of the LCS in 2013, the US Government even considers you an ATHLETE if you get good enough at PvP |
| 23:04.38 | Mr_Rabies | except me because i'm not paying to fix blizzard's problem |
| 23:04.48 | Amarande | as in you can literally get an athletic visa to the USA for being good enough at e-sports :P |
| 23:05.23 | Amarande | If you're a PvE great, well ... as far as anyone in mainstream society's concerned ... you're that nerd who stays up too late and is sleepy in the morning at work :P |
| 23:05.50 | Amarande | and no one is ever going to give you government perks for it, even if you're the likes of Nihilum or Ensidia heh |
| 23:06.27 | Amarande | wow, and I used to think WoW was the one MMO not to be infected with pay to win, too |
| 23:06.33 | Amarande | sounds like serious players pay to win now, though :| |
| 23:06.43 | Amarande | between realm transfer fees and they probably boost every character too I'd imagine |
| 23:07.42 | Amarande | especially with how much time the boost might save you depending on circumstances (it's far more useful than the only other MMO I've played that offers a boost, certainly) |
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| 23:09.13 | Amarande | (And the quips on Wowhead about things like the Brawler's Guild basically requiring you to buy highish end hardware thanks to evilness like Hexos, heh) |
| 23:10.06 | WrathTECH | Hell with Hexos... I hated him so much being a mouse clicker and not having a game pad |
| 23:10.37 | kullervo | WrathTECH: I once watched a guild wipe on him for an hour, logged my mistweaver and killed him on the first attempt |
| 23:10.48 | WrathTECH | Rofl |
| 23:11.00 | kullervo | s/guild/guildie |
| 23:12.45 | WrathTECH | Half the issue for me was having a bit higher lag then most. |
| 23:13.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's been that way since wrath, it's just gotten more prevalent |
| 23:13.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's a snowball effect |
| 23:13.33 | Mr_Rabies | more people leave empty realms, makes them more empty |
| 23:13.39 | Mr_Rabies | more people leave because they're more empty |
| 23:13.59 | WrathTECH | Nah, I am on a 4G LTE connection. No cable or DSL which would help out a lot |
| 23:14.26 | Mr_Rabies | and hexos really didn't require high-end hardware, it had no compensation for latency and required a ton of skill and some luck to complete |
| 23:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | if you could get 20 fps you were probably good for hexos, but over 100 ping or so and it was basically impossible |
| 23:15.11 | WrathTECH | I've always had a beefy computer, so that wasn't the issue. Just that dang lag. |
| 23:15.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:15.21 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't graphically intense or anything |
| 23:15.24 | Mr_Rabies | just some particle effects |
| 23:15.45 | Mr_Rabies | hexos is basically this in wow form: http://superhexagon.com/ |
| 23:16.00 | WrathTECH | I would expect if anything, having to turn your toon so fast would kill your FPS. |
| 23:16.24 | Amarande | I still haven't acquired a brawler's pass yet |
| 23:16.34 | Mr_Rabies | you can't give them away on my realm |
| 23:16.43 | Mr_Rabies | they're down to under vendor price i think |
| 23:16.53 | Amarande | mostly because I won't pay through the nose for it and find the BMAH hair-tearingly awkward to use efficiently |
| 23:16.58 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: yeah I had pretty good times on super hexagon when hexxos was released |
| 23:17.09 | Amarande | it needs to use ebay-style maximum bids, seriously |
| 23:17.37 | Mr_Rabies | that's by design |
| 23:17.38 | Amarande | instead if you want to try to get a good deal you have to bid, stay on all day so you can get outbid, go to the mailbox, grab your gold, travel all the way BACK to the BMAH NPC and try again, rinse, repeat |
| 23:17.42 | Mr_Rabies | they don't want anyone to just set a maximum |
| 23:17.43 | WrathTECH | Back in a bit guys. WinDoze is pissing me off. Gotta restart. |
| 23:18.00 | Mr_Rabies | they want you to keep having to return to get stuff |
| 23:18.01 | Amarande | they want you to waste time on travel instead of actually doing content? :) |
| 23:18.15 | Amarande | then again, maybe they do |
| 23:18.20 | Mr_Rabies | just buy a brawler's pass on the AH |
| 23:18.22 | Amarande | explains the nearly 15 minute trip to Kara for Horde every week :P |
| 23:18.30 | Amarande | (back when Kara was a thing, anyway) |
| 23:19.00 | Mr_Rabies | they want it to require input to use, and want it basically to be as big of a gold sink as possible |
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| 23:19.37 | WrathTECH | Thinking this weekend I am going to switch back to Linux, see how it goes with the gaming. |
| 23:20.39 | Amarande | yeah I'm planning to make the switch soon |
| 23:20.51 | Amarande | need to find a small box for my windows discs this time |
| 23:20.56 | WrathTECH | Did you ever upgrade past Win7? |
| 23:21.00 | Amarande | and tape it up really good and mark it "OPEN ONLY IF YOU ARE A WIMP" |
| 23:21.17 | Amarande | on 8.1 at the moment |
| 23:21.26 | WrathTECH | Eww. Soo fugly. |
| 23:21.30 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 23:21.47 | Mr_Rabies | i can't imagine using anything other than windows as a daily driver |
| 23:21.50 | Amarande | Ended up getting 8 around launch when it was $40, as I was trying to diagnose some kind of odd windows problem I was getting and thought maybe it was some glitch with win7 |
| 23:22.19 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I would love to upgrade. I've heard Windows 8 gaming is better then Windows 7 gaming. |
| 23:22.34 | Amarande | like, in the vein of since my hardware was fairly new, maybe I kept getting bad Windows installs due to some driver or other in the Win7 install disc being too old and getting stuff corrupted before the opportunity to install proper drivers |
| 23:22.48 | WrathTECH | Can't stand the metro UI though, and the graphics.. would have to install 3rd party visual styles |
| 23:22.57 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like a hardware problem more than anything else, Amarande |
| 23:23.06 | Amarande | (no it didn't fix the problem, turned out to be my hard drive itself was bad, and in that very annoying sort of bad where it passes all the smart tests and such, no bad sectors, but corrupts data like a mofo) |
| 23:23.52 | Amarande | no HD I've had before or since has had that kind of issue ... ##hardware suspects it was probably bad RAM on the internal drive controller |
| 23:24.22 | WrathTECH | Rofl. I really don't miss the days when you coulnd't have more then 2 or 3 Firefox tabs open. |
| 23:24.25 | Amarande | went through several hundred dollars of extra hardware that I wouldn't have otherwise needed diagnosing it, too :( |
| 23:24.48 | WrathTECH | Jut opened 50 tabs like a pro. xD |
| 23:24.59 | Amarande | at first thought it was the RAM, mobo (actually, as a kicker, I actually did end up with a bad mobo at one point during the great diagnostic days), even maybe the CPU's IMC |
| 23:25.50 | Amarande | because yeah the thing was the HD would pass any diagnostic tests you'd toss at it |
| 23:26.04 | Amarande | but Windows would always install in a corrupt form that would need to be repeatedly restored/reset/reinstalled/refreshed/etc. |
| 23:26.19 | Amarande | I should have suspected the HDD sooner in hindsight |
| 23:26.31 | WrathTECH | Had that happen a few times before. It's definitely one hell of a headache. |
| 23:26.34 | Amarande | mostly because, while the particular faults seemed to be random, once established, they repeated pretty reliably |
| 23:26.53 | Amarande | if it had actually been RAM or CPU memory controller at fault, the faults should have been random on every occasion |
| 23:27.53 | Amarande | but yeah, ended up with Windows 8 thanks to that (just like upgrading to Vista came thanks to diagnosing another fault ... that time I thought it was something to do with my video cards and Vista had newer drivers available than XP ... turned out it actually WAS bad RAM then, go figure heh) |
| 23:28.31 | Amarande | very subtly bad RAM, at that ... I didn't even think to check the DIMMs until WoW 2.4 came out and I was getting 132's left and right |
| 23:29.14 | Amarande | (again I should have suspected it though in hindsight, especially since Guild Wars had been failing its integrity check almost every play) |
| 23:29.26 | WrathTECH | Aight, I have had it... I need a nap. : / |
| 23:29.40 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:29.42 | Amarande | naps are good |
| 23:29.51 | Amarande | anyway, I run 8 instead of 7 because 8 seems to work better with newer hardware than 7 |
| 23:30.08 | Amarande | last time I tried to run 7 I managed to leave myself with an unusable PC in a very curious way |
| 23:30.32 | WrathTECH | Yeah, luckily my rig is 4 years old, going on 5 soon. But the CPU is still in the top 10 list as of April |
| 23:31.13 | Amarande | basically, before installing Win7, I had apparently subtly erred in seating the USB 3.0 front panel cable in the mobo (as in on a cursory glance it looked like it was seated but apparently it wasn't) |
| 23:31.26 | Amarande | then I was running into all kinds of odd problems with that USB port that I couldn't figure out |
| 23:31.51 | Amarande | googled and reliable seeming help documents told me, if you have a problem with usb on windows, delete the usb controller in device manager and reboot |
| 23:32.01 | Amarande | tbh, I suspect in 8 it would have gone just ducky |
| 23:32.14 | Amarande | but in 7, I rebooted and ... apparently Windows *didn't* re-recognise the USB controller |
| 23:32.19 | Amarande | ... and guess what all my HIDs are ... heh |
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| 23:32.58 | Amarande | yup. basically left myself with either reinstalling windows yet again (which I did and decided to just go with 8 that time) or spending $20+ on new keyboard/mouse just to fix my gaffe :P |
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| 23:51.45 | WrathTECH | I just about fell asleep, then low and behold, parents call cause the internet isn't working. fml |
| 23:52.14 | WrathTECH | Swear, never buying Cisco or LinkSys again! |
| 23:55.53 | Amarande | did they get an old or a new linksys? |
| 23:55.59 | Amarande | linksys routers are belkin now ... belkin is even more terrible |
| 23:56.19 | Amarande | I bought a Belkin router once at Radio Shack, thought it would be a good deal since it supposedly offered IPv6 support for the future and N600 |
| 23:56.41 | Amarande | got it home, the wifi was a lot faster of course, but the internet connection was significantly SLOWER than it was with my old WRT54G I had at the time :P |
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| 23:56.58 | Amarande | and the IPv6 was just passthrough support for a native connection ... not the 6RD you need on Charter |
| 23:57.15 | Amarande | that Belkin router was returned a day or two later :P |
| 23:57.27 | Amarande | and I barely EVER return stuff to the store unless it's actually broken |
