| 00:08.12 | Torhal | I think he was referring to "in this channel" |
| 00:08.16 | Torhal | >.> |
| 00:09.42 | Shirik | And now, I present to you, how to call the fire department |
| 00:09.44 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8FwMlkoxjI |
| 00:13.52 | Amarande | hah, that's worse than turkey deep fry epicfails |
| 00:46.01 | Primer | Anyone else here pissed about the direction Game of Thrones is taking? |
| 00:46.33 | Primer | I certainly am. |
| 00:49.18 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.05 | Stanzilla | Primer: what do you mean |
| 00:59.22 | Arrowmaster | Primer: have you missed out on my rantings everyweek? |
| 00:59.28 | Arrowmaster | im about to start ep4 |
| 00:59.30 | nebula169 | whine whine it's not like the books |
| 00:59.57 | nebula169 | it can't be like the books, they don't have the characters for it |
| 01:00.11 | nebula169 | dorne is going a bit wierd, though |
| 01:00.12 | Arrowmaster | BECAUSE THEY CUT THEM ALL FOR NO GOOD REASON |
| 01:00.27 | nebula169 | because they can't have a million people casted! |
| 01:00.40 | Arrowmaster | could too if they just tried |
| 01:00.41 | Primer | It's just that it's starting to look like I read 5 books for nothing |
| 01:00.45 | Primer | especially the last 2 |
| 01:01.13 | Arrowmaster | it will only be for nothing if grrm never finishes the books |
| 01:01.23 | Primer | Which I'm going to guess now is likely |
| 01:01.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 01:01.54 | Amarande | eh, why would he not finish the books, with how hotcakes-like they seem to be selling especially since the TV series started |
| 01:02.07 | Amarande | unless something unfortunate happens to him like, say, Robert Jordan |
| 01:02.11 | Primer | because he's too focused on the TV show |
| 01:02.18 | nebula169 | eh? meereen and the north are following pretty close, kingslanding's story is a bit behind, but it's setup to follow pretty close, cut all the riverlands stuff :( |
| 01:02.20 | Arrowmaster | or doing other stuff |
| 01:02.26 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 01:02.26 | Amarande | (And another author was able to satisfactorily finish Wheel of Time, anyways) |
| 01:02.40 | Arrowmaster | the north is not following anything remote to close |
| 01:03.01 | Primer | What about the brotherhood line? |
| 01:03.06 | nebula169 | that was all cut |
| 01:03.09 | Primer | Completely cut |
| 01:03.13 | Arrowmaster | completely |
| 01:03.15 | Torhal | Primer: He writes exactly one episode per season. |
| 01:03.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont think hes even doing one episode this season |
| 01:03.33 | Primer | but it had an impact on several of the major characters and where they are now |
| 01:03.40 | Primer | Recall where Brienne ended up in the books... |
| 01:03.46 | Arrowmaster | and jamie |
| 01:03.52 | Torhal | And all of this is like bitching about the MCU not following the comics. They're alternate realities as far as I'm concerned. |
| 01:04.00 | Torhal | Two different paths. What's the big deal? |
| 01:04.02 | nebula169 | i'm sure she'll end up just as dead |
| 01:04.04 | Torhal | They're both enjoyable. |
| 01:04.09 | Primer | The big deal as those are finished stories |
| 01:04.14 | Primer | Alternate endings are fine |
| 01:04.18 | Arrowmaster | nebula169: SHES NOT DEAD YET |
| 01:04.32 | Primer | Alternate endings without the ending having happened in the first place. NOT FINE AT ALL! |
| 01:04.43 | Primer | s/place\./place\?/ |
| 01:04.48 | Arrowmaster | unless im remembering wrong |
| 01:05.24 | Primer | Too regexy for the bot to handle? |
| 01:05.25 | Arrowmaster | jamie and brienne are both caught up with LSH in the books and it hasnt been resolved what LSH did with them yet |
| 01:05.27 | nebula169 | she died to zombie stark |
| 01:05.38 | Amarande | And people didn't complain about Saruman dying at Orthanc instead of post-Mordor in the Shire, either :P |
| 01:05.48 | Primer | nebula169: some people might not have read the books |
| 01:05.53 | Primer | which is why I left that vague |
| 01:05.55 | Torhal | nebula169: That wasn't ever definitively stated. |
| 01:05.55 | Amarande | (Actually, when it came to LOTR the only main thing I can recall folks grousing about was the fact that Tom Bombadil wasn't included) |
| 01:06.02 | Arrowmaster | ah i forgot then |
| 01:06.36 | nebula169 | not stated? thought it was pretty sure she was tried and stoneheart was like DEAD |
| 01:06.36 | Primer | but now that you've brought it up, Torhal is correct. That was left unresolved, but she was on her way to being executed, yes |
| 01:06.58 | Torhal | Yup. |
| 01:07.01 | nebula169 | fair enough |
| 01:07.15 | Arrowmaster | nebula169: i thought it was one of those things where LSH said she was going to hang her but it was never told as happening yet |
| 01:07.15 | Amarande | And you didn't hear people complaining that the Roger Moore James Bond movies didn't really follow the correspondingly titled books, either |
| 01:07.25 | Amarande | I'm not sure why folks are so up in arms about GOT |
| 01:07.55 | nebula169 | people always get pissy when adaptions don't follow the original medium |
| 01:07.58 | Primer | Anyhow, my point is that with the TV series getting an ending before the books, the books now become the alternate ending, despite the fact that GRRM might have (and probably already did) map the last 2 books out. |
| 01:08.18 | Arrowmaster | because its not just the occasional small change, its massive changes that people cant make any sense of |
| 01:08.23 | Primer | Which just make me feel that reading the books was futile |
| 01:08.38 | nebula169 | you're and idiot then? |
| 01:08.43 | nebula169 | read the books to enjoy the books |
| 01:08.48 | Primer | wow dude |
| 01:08.51 | Primer | why the attack? |
| 01:08.54 | nebula169 | watch the show to enjoy the show |
| 01:08.57 | Primer | This is a friendly discussion |
| 01:09.01 | Primer | no need to be an asshole |
| 01:09.05 | Arrowmaster | grrm did map out how the books will go and how the story will end, d&d know that ending |
| 01:09.06 | nebula169 | because it always comes down to that |
| 01:09.16 | nebula169 | it's its a stupid thing to say |
| 01:09.18 | Primer | Someone being an asshole? No, it doesn't. |
| 01:09.32 | Arrowmaster | hey now im the official asshole in here |
| 01:09.46 | nebula169 | no, people arguing they can't enjoy different adaptations because they're different |
| 01:10.22 | Primer | I'm honestly not enjoying it, but because of the reason I've mentioned twice already: The TV series will be setting the ending, not the books. |
| 01:10.35 | Gnarfoz | for you, maybe |
| 01:10.58 | Primer | Heck, I'm very easy to please. I for one LIKED Jar Jar! |
| 01:11.06 | Primer | I had no problem with him |
| 01:11.07 | Gnarfoz | this discussion is over |
| 01:11.10 | Torhal | You haven't been staked yet? |
| 01:11.11 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:11.14 | Amarande | there's probably going to be distinctly separate endings for the TV series and the books |
| 01:11.18 | Primer | He was comic relief, and it was simple to understand that |
| 01:11.20 | Amarande | (which will probably cause its own row) |
| 01:11.34 | Amarande | mind you, given the pace at which the books are being written, that's assuming human civilisation doesn't expire before then :P |
| 01:11.46 | Primer | Amarande: indeed |
| 01:12.05 | Primer | I have a feeling GRRM will just sit back, enjoy his royalties from the TV show, and say "fuck it" |
| 01:12.12 | Primer | and the last 2 books never even happen |
| 01:12.16 | Arrowmaster | wtf is this shit with the sparrows cutting their foreheads |
| 01:12.21 | Gnarfoz | you're what's wrong with the internet, Primer |
| 01:12.32 | Primer | Gnarfoz: WTF! |
| 01:12.43 | nebula169 | nah, he'll be busy with his dunk and egg novellas |
| 01:12.49 | Gnarfoz | that last sentence reads like crap straight from a Blizzard forums whine thread |
| 01:12.50 | Amarande | ... or that people stop being able to afford books before then, given that the GOP would like to squeeze most of us to death financially for their own enrichment while the Democratic path seems like it's going to lead to your paycheque being merely a description of taxes you've paid with no actual money :P heh |
| 01:13.17 | Primer | Gnarfoz: Why? Not plausible? |
| 01:13.24 | Primer | I wholeheartedly disagree. |
| 01:13.26 | Gnarfoz | he's been writing this series for how long now? and suddenly it's about TV show royalties? |
| 01:13.42 | Primer | Consider how long he's sat on book 6 |
| 01:13.46 | Gnarfoz | 5 |
| 01:13.49 | Primer | 6 |
| 01:13.56 | Primer | Is the pending one |
| 01:14.27 | Gnarfoz | then my english is bad, or yours is ("has sat"? doesn't that mean he's done sitting?) |
| 01:14.50 | Primer | no |
| 01:14.52 | Primer | it doesn't |
| 01:15.10 | Stanzilla | hello, this is the internet drama police |
| 01:15.13 | Stanzilla | please calm your tits |
| 01:15.23 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Haven't watched ep4 yet. |
| 01:15.28 | Torhal | GF has been an evilkin. |
| 01:15.30 | Gnarfoz | anyway, it just makes it all the more obvious how much you value the TV series over the books, if you're afraid that the TV show will devalue the books yet to come |
| 01:15.55 | Primer | Not sure how you come to that conclusion |
| 01:16.06 | Gnarfoz | by reading what you wrote, tada |
| 01:16.09 | Primer | I had read all 5 books by the time season 3 aired |
| 01:16.31 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 01:16.39 | Torhal | I'd read all five books before the second season. Actually started the books before watching the show. |
| 01:16.39 | Primer | There's absolutely no way you can derive that from any of my statements |
| 01:16.57 | Gnarfoz | sure " The TV series will be setting the ending, not the books." |
| 01:17.11 | Primer | That's a statement of fact |
| 01:17.17 | Gnarfoz | if the show is so crap and bad and such a big deviation from the books - who will care about the TV show ending? |
| 01:17.39 | Primer | I will |
| 01:17.40 | Gnarfoz | the TV series will be setting the TV series ending |
| 01:17.52 | Gnarfoz | see? so even though it's crap, you're still valuing it above the books |
| 01:17.56 | Primer | As I watch the show, but I get to watch it through the lens of someone that's read the books |
| 01:18.37 | Primer | yeah, still not sure how you figure that. |
| 01:18.58 | Gnarfoz | not sure how I can make this any clearer ^^ if the integrity of the books was what's important to you, why the hell do you care how the TV show ends |
| 01:19.07 | Gnarfoz | if you don't like it, just ignore it |
| 01:19.20 | Primer | Everything is black and white in your world? |
| 01:19.31 | Primer | Sure seems that way |
| 01:19.53 | Gnarfoz | back at you ^^ |
| 01:19.59 | Torhal | I see it as a separation of concerns. The television show is an _adaptation_ of the books. Due to the fact that the books are lagging behind the show, they're going their own route. Doesn't mean it has to smother the books. |
| 01:20.19 | Torhal | Two different stories that started on the same path, but diverged. |
| 01:20.24 | Torhal | Happens all the damn time. |
| 01:20.49 | Primer | Torhal: Well put. But how often do you see this happening when the adaptation runs ahead of the source? |
| 01:21.00 | nebula169 | all the damn time |
| 01:21.04 | nebula169 | re anime |
| 01:21.04 | Gnarfoz | or do the thing everbody who's ever read "the books to the film", ever (regardless of which came first, or if it is the reverse scenario): pick one and claim the other one is wrong! ^^ |
| 01:21.09 | Primer | pfft anime |
| 01:21.47 | Torhal | True Blood did it. Was pretty true to the first book in the first season, then did the same shit GoT is doing now. |
| 01:22.25 | Torhal | The MCU is doing the hell out of it. |
| 01:22.36 | Torhal | Then again, comics have always done it to themselves. |
| 01:22.59 | Gnarfoz | outlaw making film/TV adaptations of source material that hasn't been concluded, yet, it's the only way! |
| 01:24.04 | Gnarfoz | force "NOT CANON" overlays onto any scenes not accurate to the books? |
| 01:24.50 | Gnarfoz | or as an unskippable trailer, like those absurd FBI warnings on DVDs |
| 01:25.00 | Gnarfoz | is running out of ideas |
| 01:25.25 | Torhal | "THIS WILL PISS YOU OFF. DO NOT WATCH." |
| 01:25.41 | Gnarfoz | Book fans hate him. |
| 01:25.43 | Torhal | COme t othink of it, that should be on MOST shows. |
| 01:26.00 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:26.02 | Primer | ok, that was funny |
| 01:30.50 | Amarande | ugh |
| 01:30.55 | Amarande | if there's one thing that induces rage when watching a movie |
| 01:31.05 | Amarande | it's when that goddam "NO!" icon appears when you press something reasonable on the remote |
| 01:31.56 | Amarande | not that the movie industry cares about us, I suppose |
| 01:32.10 | Amarande | if they did, they wouldn't have wasted loads of plastic and energy resources pressing DVDs of Fifty Shades of Grey |
| 01:32.24 | Amarande | which apparently are unleashed upon the world this Friday :| |
| 01:33.35 | Torhal | sells Stanzilla's tits. |
| 01:33.41 | Amarande | sad thing is I'm not even sure DVDs are recyclable, or if that's a waste of non-renewable resources that will mostly infest landfills until the aliens come a few billion years from now, survey our garbage, and note down how crass and tasteless of a civilisation Earth people had heh |
| 01:34.48 | Amarande | (I'm assuming if they're smart enough to make it here, they're smart enough to figure out the DVD video format on their own, too :) |
| 01:39.18 | Arrowmaster | in a billion years aliens will come along and start excavating the earth, only to find atari cartages for ET |
| 01:41.20 | Stanzilla | Torhal: not nice dude |
| 01:42.13 | Torhal | But... Stanzilla... Monies. |
| 01:44.37 | Arrowmaster | woah some new story thats actually good |
| 01:46.24 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: "civilisation's creative acumen is amazingly primitive" |
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| 02:09.12 | Arrowmaster | and more shit that didnt happen in the books just to give the audience something exciting in mareen |
| 02:09.22 | Arrowmaster | mareen is fucking boring and should be left boring |
| 02:11.30 | fewyn | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/04/microsoft_windows_10_updates/?mt=1430791634566 |
| 02:13.17 | Amarande | fewyn: ugh, another reason I'm glad to be switching to Linux |
| 02:13.26 | Amarande | on the one hand, yeah, more responsive patching, great |
| 02:13.29 | fewyn | why is this ugh? |
| 02:13.36 | fewyn | linux has the same thing |
| 02:13.39 | fewyn | boggles |
| 02:13.45 | Amarande | fewyn: on the other hand, more responsive patching that means any random day you could be suddenly harangued to drop what you're doing and reboot |
| 02:13.54 | Amarande | fewyn: most Linux updates don't require a reboot, most Windows ones do :P |
| 02:14.02 | fewyn | except most don't |
| 02:14.05 | fewyn | not really |
| 02:14.12 | Torhal | Not for awhile. |
| 02:14.37 | fewyn | there's usually only 1 update a month that requires a reboot |
| 02:14.42 | fewyn | but because they do monthly patches |
| 02:14.45 | fewyn | you always get one |
| 02:15.15 | Amarande | huh. I seem to remember most individual Windows Updates I've seen saying "after this update you may need to restart your computer" |
| 02:15.26 | Amarande | however, since you get your patches once a month, you only have to reboot once after the lot of them |
| 02:15.26 | fewyn | back in xp yes |
| 02:15.45 | Dagmar | Yeah, you just don't get the updates now except once a month unless you've configured it to do otherwise |
| 02:15.48 | Amarande | mind you, what's really at fault is the basic paradigm Windows uses for executable file access |
| 02:16.06 | fewyn | windows 10 tech preview has "rings" in it |
| 02:16.14 | fewyn | slow and fast |
| 02:16.14 | Amarande | Linux loads the whole executable in, and then doesn't care about the original program file anymore for that instance of the program, therefore, it's easy to update programs even as they're already running |
| 02:16.19 | fewyn | fast gets updates more often |
| 02:16.38 | Amarande | Windows opens the executable somewhat like a document, and won't let you touch it at all till it's closed (or if a DLL, till EVERYTHING using it is closed) |
| 02:16.50 | Amarande | therefore, the larger number of reboots to release .exe and .dll files for change :S |
| 02:21.43 | Torhal | ...rebooting has never been required to close a file. I think the issue in the past was "We didn't architect this any way but monolithically, so it's all or nothing due to everything being in RAM" |
| 02:22.01 | Torhal | That's an assumption, but makes more sense than requiring a reboot to close files. |
| 02:22.26 | Dagmar | They have more reboots because literally every third update changes their ntkernel |
| 02:22.34 | Torhal | Or they just didn't bother to keep track of what opened what, which WOULD be a reason to reboot to close files. |
| 02:22.36 | [TOM_RUS] | you can rename old files, then place new file with same name in most cases, so that's definitely not the case |
| 02:23.00 | Torhal | replaces Fisker's kernel. |
| 02:23.06 | Dagmar | Character map bugfix? Better patch the kernel. Mouse driver graphical update? Oh hell yiss, all up in that kernel. |
| 02:24.46 | Amarande | Dagmar: and then we wonder why Windows has so many ACE security problems ... heh |
| 02:25.27 | Dagmar | If you ever start doing filesystem checks to see what it is they actually change and compare it to what the notes for these updates say... you won't be just angry about it, you'll be hulk-smash angry |
| 02:25.29 | Amarande | hmmm ... "ATA constantly scrutinizes your office network, and uses basic machine learning techniques to identify suspicious behavior by devices and users, and raise the alarm if necessary." |
| 02:25.45 | Amarande | wait, the computer itself decides what it thinks is suspicious based on its own learning? |
| 02:25.48 | Amarande | WINDOWS 10 NOW WITH SKYNET |
| 02:26.13 | Dagmar | Good plan. A dumb computer learning from the behaviour of an even dumber user |
| 02:27.00 | Amarande | And I'm guessing "device on network does not run Windows" is probably going to get flagged, heh |
| 02:27.15 | Amarande | (especially seeing that MS seems specifically to be adopting these new measures as a lambast at Android, too :|) |
| 02:27.24 | Dagmar | Talk like that makes me want to slap someone and say "WHITELISTS, M*TH*RF*CK*R." |
| 02:28.27 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm not even sure why I didn't stay off the Windows bus last time I got off it |
| 02:28.56 | Amarande | probably something something gaming something something ... I really need to put in more effort to get Wine to work after my next OS switch |
| 02:29.13 | fewyn | glwt |
| 02:29.23 | fewyn | i gave up years ago trying to get wine to work |
| 02:29.28 | Amarande | fewyn: yeah, I'm never quite sure what I've bungled up |
| 02:29.32 | foxlit | guys guys |
| 02:29.41 | fewyn | i'll just ride the msft train |
| 02:29.43 | fewyn | choo choo |
| 02:29.47 | foxlit | i have to reboot once a month |
| 02:29.54 | Amarande | typically, I download the source package (since debian is usually a few geological epochs behind with Wine, heh), follow the instructions to build it |
| 02:29.56 | fewyn | i don't even reboot once a month |
| 02:30.07 | Amarande | it compiles just fine, and then things don't work for some reason |
| 02:30.08 | fewyn | i usually forget to install the updates until the day before next patch tuesday |
| 02:30.10 | Amarande | and I'm never sure why. heh |
| 02:30.12 | foxlit | this is an utterly terrible wasye of all of two minutes of my precious precious time |
| 02:30.41 | foxlit | #DESTROYALLCOMPUTERS |
| 02:30.44 | fewyn | my computer takes longer than 2 minutes to reboot :( |
| 02:30.47 | fewyn | i miss having an SSD |
| 02:30.48 | Amarande | foxlit: for many people it's the pet peeve of having to reboot based on Microsoft's schedule rather than yours |
| 02:31.02 | Amarande | foxlit: especially since 8.x where it forces you to after a time, like it or not |
| 02:31.20 | Amarande | and unless you've got Pro (where you can suppress it through Group Policy), you have to do a friggin registry hack to disable that |
| 02:31.22 | fewyn | this is why you turn off automatic updates |
| 02:31.33 | fewyn | currently |
| 02:31.50 | Amarande | speaking of which, if you've got 8.1 Pro will you get 10 Pro with the update or is it going to revert you to plain jane 10 and you'll have to buy 10 Pro separately if you want to keep that feature tier? |
| 02:32.11 | fewyn | they haven't gone into details yet |
| 02:32.25 | fewyn | which means they probably aren't sure |
| 02:32.33 | fewyn | 10 won't be out until Q4 |
| 02:32.37 | fewyn | at the earliest |
| 02:32.43 | foxlit | in short, I think your storm in a teacup is premature. |
| 02:37.08 | Torhal | Oh, come on people! The AMD exec "messed up" and leaked that Windows 10 will be out in July, so it MUST BE TRUE!!! |
| 02:37.34 | Torhal | I should have added a few more exclamations there. |
| 02:37.42 | Torhal | Maybe even oneoneone11one! |
| 02:38.12 | fewyn | did he? |
| 02:38.23 | fewyn | unless msft is really changing their normal time table |
| 02:38.42 | Dagmar | There needs to be #'s and @'s involved before you got oneelevenone! |
| 02:39.15 | fewyn | http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/20/8456049/windows-10-launch-late-july-claims-amd |
| 02:39.26 | fewyn | it was during their earnings call |
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| 03:06.31 | pompy1 | ~lart Torhal |
| 03:06.31 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Torhal, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 03:06.41 | pompy1 | lol |
| 03:11.35 | pompy1 | http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/05/04/earthquake-nearly-as-powerful-as-nepals-strikes-papua-new-guinea-no-tsunami-risk-to-u-s/ |
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| 03:14.07 | Torhal | looking good, pompy1 http://i.imgur.com/NL4H70J.jpg |
| 03:15.04 | pompy1 | dafuq |
| 03:15.11 | Arrow|tablet | Fucking hell. The one thing I hate with Linux is how configs are fucking everywhere |
| 03:15.55 | Arrow|tablet | I fucked something up and can't launch any programs and can't find where the damn messed up setting is stored |
| 03:18.17 | Arrow|tablet | The irc channel for the DE is being completely unhelpful |
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| 03:23.15 | Amarande | Arrow: you mean as opposed to Windows where all the configs are often in the registry and if anything goes wrong with the registry the whole system is hosed? |
| 03:23.26 | Amarande | ... and the IRC channel for Windows here often isn't the most fun place in the world either :S |
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| 04:04.25 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 04:04.53 | phelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.08 | phelps | 162 MiB, thats not bits, bytes |
| 04:05.12 | phelps | lol |
| 04:05.56 | phelps | 1.2gbit/s |
| 04:10.19 | jnwhiteh | I have decided that I won't be able to support LightHeaded, TomTom, or any addons other than Clique any longer. |
| 04:10.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm looking for people who are interested in taking them over or caring for them. |
| 04:10.53 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:11.00 | jnwhiteh | If you are interested or know someone who is, please get in touch with me |
| 04:11.00 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 04:11.00 | jnwhiteh | hi Fisker |
| 04:11.09 | jnwhiteh | I can be reached at <---- @gmail.com |
| 04:13.02 | Fisker | <---- @gmail.com is totally invalid |
| 04:13.03 | Fisker | :P |
| 04:13.21 | jnwhiteh | they dont' let danish people use that email address |
| 04:13.24 | jnwhiteh | google is very racist |
| 04:13.40 | Fisker | Danish isn't really a race but thanks |
| 04:13.47 | jnwhiteh | psh |
| 04:13.49 | jnwhiteh | that's what you think |
| 04:14.10 | Fisker | I know we're viking master race but we don't go around rubbing it in |
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| 04:17.48 | winny | anybody here play hearthstone mind friending me so i can finish the spectator quest |
| 04:19.54 | Fisker | which server? |
| 04:20.33 | winny | i don't think hearthstone is split into regions |
| 04:20.38 | winny | i'm in NA |
| 04:20.40 | Fisker | it is |
| 04:20.45 | winny | oh okay |
| 04:20.46 | Fisker | what is your battle tag? |
| 04:20.53 | winny | SystemW#1534 |
| 04:20.59 | winny | or i can friend you |
| 04:21.05 | winny | whichever is less bother for you |
| 04:21.40 | winny | nice rounded battletag |
| 04:21.42 | winny | ty |
| 04:22.10 | Fisker | Torhal has the worst |
| 04:22.24 | winny | hehe |
| 04:22.38 | winny | are you a mage fanatic? |
| 04:22.42 | winny | mage is my fav |
| 04:22.46 | winny | and maybe warrier |
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| 04:23.04 | Fisker | I'm not on NA so this is what I had available |
| 04:23.07 | Fisker | along with shaman |
| 04:23.23 | winny | oh so this in on another battle.net account? |
| 04:24.23 | Fisker | same one |
| 04:24.27 | Fisker | but since it's split in region |
| 04:24.35 | winny | oh, how do you log into a different region in hearthstone? |
| 04:24.48 | Fisker | you choose it on the launcher |
| 04:24.48 | winny | i was wondering why i can't see one of by b.net friends in hearthstone |
| 04:24.55 | winny | oh gotcha |
| 04:27.26 | winny | lol my hearthstone is being funny -- https://i.imgur.com/CEuavGq.jpg |
| 04:28.50 | Fisker | never lucky |
| 04:29.12 | winny | dat rng |
| 04:29.50 | Fisker | never miss lethal |
| 04:30.15 | winny | lol |
| 04:30.22 | winny | i think you have to win to get the quest |
| 04:30.25 | Fisker | oh |
| 04:30.28 | winny | but ty, that was entertaining |
| 04:30.34 | Torhal | Fisker: LIES. |
| 04:30.41 | Torhal | How do I have the worst? |
| 04:30.44 | Fisker | Yeah probably not gonna do that with a basic deck |
| 04:30.46 | Fisker | 1313 |
| 04:30.49 | Torhal | Best. |
| 04:30.54 | Fisker | And I have to go to work soon :( |
| 04:31.00 | winny | i was kind of hoping to get somebody who uses the NA hearthstone i can creep on |
| 04:31.09 | winny | creeeeep on |
| 04:32.58 | Fisker | so Torhal |
| 04:33.09 | Fisker | Why are there all these pretty neat free editors |
| 04:33.12 | Torhal | so Fisker |
| 04:33.14 | Torhal | Namaste? |
| 04:33.33 | Torhal | Because developers, developers, developers, Fisker. |
| 04:33.45 | Fisker | no |
| 04:34.18 | Torhal | Ok. |
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| 04:35.45 | Fisker | What's the end game Torhal |
| 04:35.59 | Torhal | We take over the world. |
| 04:36.07 | Fisker | Not possibru |
| 04:37.27 | Fisker | But we have a great free html editor, we have a great free all-around editor that has plugin support, and now we have code as well |
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| 04:42.02 | Fisker | oops |
| 04:42.30 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.37 | purl | Fisker, you Fail! |
| 04:42.46 | Torhal | ~pickle Fisker |
| 04:42.46 | purl | ACTION crams Fisker in a barrel, adds some brine and seasoning, and lets Fisker sit for a long while in a dark room until Fisker is ripe |
| 04:42.48 | Torhal | :O |
| 04:43.12 | Fisker | I just updated quassel on my server |
| 04:43.13 | Fisker | pls |
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| 04:47.57 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 04:48.09 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 04:48.11 | Torhal | Spec ops? |
| 04:48.15 | Fisker | should I go to work? |
| 04:48.26 | Torhal | Ask Scrapbucket. |
| 04:49.12 | Fisker | already used half a gig this morning |
| 04:49.15 | Fisker | I want my internet back |
| 04:49.31 | Fisker | Probably shouldn't have downloaded 3 text editors though |
| 04:49.34 | Torhal | You shouldn't be running botnets from your phone, Fisker. |
| 04:49.44 | Fisker | I run those from russia |
| 04:49.48 | Torhal | Oh, ok. |
| 04:50.00 | Fisker | rekt |
| 04:50.04 | Fisker | drops the beat |
| 04:50.09 | Fisker | also the mic |
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| 04:53.55 | Arrowmaster | i dont think this is the first time hes done this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UowkIRSDHfs |
| 04:55.05 | Torhal | Did he mount a GoPro on the dog's ass? |
| 04:55.19 | Thunder_Child | I read that as 'in' >.< |
| 04:55.49 | Fisker | Yeah he used the gopro dogassmount Torhal |
| 04:55.55 | Torhal | Whoah. |
| 04:56.48 | Fisker | also |
| 04:56.53 | Fisker | I predict the alarm going today |
| 04:57.24 | Fisker | Since I can't come in to work early, and the other guy is probably sick, and the third guy usually takes the second entrance instead of the main entrance |
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| 05:02.36 | karl_w_w | bad news Fisker |
| 05:02.42 | karl_w_w | reddit is down for emergency maintenance |
| 05:19.46 | Fisker | damn |
| 05:19.56 | Fisker | I was hoping it would stay down |
| 05:20.02 | Fisker | internets back Torhal |
| 05:20.04 | Fisker | j e l l y? |
| 05:32.22 | jnwhiteh | I'm working on posting this, but won't get to finish linking it until later today |
| 05:32.22 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=308611#post308611php?id=3953 |
| 05:32.54 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: I'll link to that thread on curse unless there's a better way to do it |
| 05:33.11 | jnwhiteh | It would be nice to have one place to respond to people |
| 05:33.22 | jnwhiteh | For now, I'm going to go drink coffee. |
| 05:33.27 | jnwhiteh | and shower, possibly together. |
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| 05:51.54 | cogwheel | ~whaleslap Fisker |
| 05:52.01 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 05:52.24 | cogwheel | dat lag |
| 05:56.16 | jnwhiteh | WB cogwheel! |
| 05:57.07 | jnwhiteh | someone emailed me about taking over TomTom |
| 05:57.11 | jnwhiteh | is that person in this channel? :P |
| 05:58.38 | cogwheel | ohai |
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| 06:28.19 | cogwheel | moos at bluspacecow |
| 06:28.30 | bluspacecow | OMG a cogwheel is here ! |
| 06:28.40 | bluspacecow | hihi |
| 06:28.42 | cogwheel | ermagherd! |
| 06:28.46 | cogwheel | grabs his shotgun |
| 06:28.55 | cogwheel | doesn't have a shotgun |
| 06:29.03 | bluspacecow | has berks! |
| 06:33.34 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 06:33.36 | WrathTECH | I have some buttons that are disabled, but i still need to interatct with the button OnHover to show a tooltip. |
| 06:34.23 | nebula169 | there's something like :EnableMotionsScriptsWhileDisabled(true) |
| 06:34.52 | WrathTECH | Thank you much, nebula169 |
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| 06:35.06 | nebula169 | SetMotionScriptsWhileDisabled, i was close |
| 06:37.31 | WrathTECH | Question is, where does it go? just at the start of the lua file? |
| 06:38.28 | nebula169 | where you create the button, most likely |
| 06:42.16 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.28 | WrathTECH | http://pastebin.com/z2B6HFR3 |
| 06:46.43 | nebula169 | probably want to change enabled to true |
| 06:46.47 | WrathTECH | even with the OnEnter script set where the button is made, still no results |
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| 06:47.44 | WrathTECH | Thank you. Forgot I had issues with enabled in the past |
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| 06:54.38 | WrathTECH | Perfect, works awesome! |
| 07:31.08 | WrathTECH | Is there an encoded alt code for the copyright symbol? |
| 07:45.45 | WrathTECH | Mmm, nevermind, wrong file encoding, changing to UTF-8 did the trick |
| 07:45.58 | pompy1 | ~wowalert |
| 07:45.58 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 07:46.13 | pompy1 | 1 hour |
| 08:04.16 | WrathTECH | Oh god don't do that to me Pompy. still have 4 hours till maintenence here. lol |
| 08:05.07 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/r6Ukhw9.jpg useful |
| 08:22.18 | WrathTECH | Isn't there a way to detect what your current client is, not your account? Trying to check if it's in Starter Account mode |
| 08:29.55 | WrathTECH | Anyone able to help me floor/convert IsRestrictedAccount. showing just a bunch of numbers atm, not a clue what to do |
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| 08:30.50 | Gnarfoz | bunch of numbers? |
| 08:30.53 | Gnarfoz | like, what? |
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| 08:32.00 | nebula169 | it's a boolean? |
| 08:32.17 | Gnarfoz | it's a function, most importantly |
| 08:32.41 | Gnarfoz | hope you're not doing something like print(IsRestrictedAccount) ^^ |
| 08:32.48 | nebula169 | sorry, returns one |
| 08:33.04 | Gnarfoz | if you are, then you want to be doing print(IsRestrictedAccount()) instead |
| 08:33.11 | Gnarfoz | which should clear up your confusion |
| 08:33.52 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. you'd be printing the address? identifier? (what is that, even?) of the function, not the result) |
| 08:34.25 | WrathTECH | about 17 numbers and a letter |
| 08:34.52 | WrathTECH | not sure what it is |
| 08:35.12 | Gnarfoz | but you should be sure what you're doing or where you're getting that number from ^^ |
| 08:35.28 | Gnarfoz | what are you doing to get that value? |
| 08:35.39 | WrathTECH | variable = IsAccountRestricted |
| 08:36.14 | WrathTECH | just trying to report if the client is in starter mode |
| 08:36.28 | Gnarfoz | well, read again what I just wrote above |
| 08:36.34 | nebula169 | you're setting variable to a function reference, need to actually call it to get the value, like Gnarfoz said |
| 08:36.41 | WrathTECH | function |
| 08:37.02 | WrathTECH | sorry, was outside smoking, give me a min |
| 08:37.25 | Gnarfoz | after "variable = IsAccountRestricted" you could do "print(variable())" to get what you really wanted -- if that makes it more clear what the mistake is |
| 08:37.45 | Gnarfoz | (vs. print(variable), which you probably tried) |
| 08:37.46 | WrathTECH | yes, thank you. adding the () did the trick |
| 08:37.58 | WrathTECH | vell i set the variable with out the () |
| 08:38.18 | WrathTECH | restricted = IsRestrictedAccount() |
| 08:38.18 | WrathTECH | print(restricted) |
| 08:38.26 | WrathTECH | returns true/false |
| 08:38.50 | Gnarfoz | yeah, like nebula169 said, that just gives you a reference to the function |
| 08:39.37 | Gnarfoz | wow, it's actually a boolean for once, not 1/0? way to go, Blizzard! ^^ |
| 08:39.50 | WrathTECH | lolol |
| 08:40.05 | WrathTECH | All part of learning Lua, when I know zip. |
| 08:40.19 | nebula169 | they converted most 1/0 1/nil to true/false with 6.0 |
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| 08:40.46 | Gnarfoz | how... oddly cleanly of them |
| 08:41.23 | WrathTECH | So, I missed IsTrialAccount |
| 08:41.41 | WrathTECH | I take that and IsRestrictedAccount are checking the same thing? |
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| 08:52.06 | Gnarfoz | hard to say, really |
| 08:52.43 | Gnarfoz | there is even IsVeteranTrialAccount(), if you want to make it even more confusing |
| 08:52.54 | WrathTECH | Rofl |
| 08:54.01 | WrathTECH | If it was one of you who made this BLP plugin for Photoshop, you have the utmost respect..... |
| 08:54.32 | nevcairiel | both istrial and isveterantrial are clear defined, not sure what isrestricted really does |
| 08:55.14 | WrathTECH | Seem's it tells if the account is trial for sure, but might go further in-depth, like if someong got a partial-ban or something. |
| 08:55.15 | nevcairiel | maybe its as simple as veteran or trial |
| 09:23.10 | phelps | setup a seedbox for friends, decent bandwidth http://i.imgur.com/bx0I1PW.png |
| 09:23.58 | phelps | 1.3MiB of overhead for bittorrent |
| 09:34.35 | Gnarfoz | 10 DKs vs Blackhand heroic? np |
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| 09:44.03 | karl_w_w | http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/i-followed-my-stolen-iphone-across-the-world-became-a-celebr |
| 09:44.25 | Mr_Rabies | you've tricked me into going to buzzfeed karl_w_w |
| 09:44.39 | karl_w_w | I've never been to buzzfeed before |
| 09:44.52 | karl_w_w | though from what I've heard, I'm surprised it's not a top 10 list |
| 09:46.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's clickbait of the highest caliber |
| 09:49.37 | Mr_Rabies | okay this is mindblowing, though http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-03/30/11/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-15151-1427728391-2.png |
| 09:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | i figured since i gave them the click i might as well read it :v |
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| 09:52.01 | jleclanche | are the armor set/weaponry items worth something in 6.2? |
| 09:56.44 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:56.52 | Mr_Rabies | okay it was worth it, actual content on buzzfeed, karl_w_w, i'm impressed |
| 09:56.58 | nevcairiel | followers dont get anything in 6.2, its all ships |
| 10:00.31 | Mr_Rabies | pfft |
| 10:00.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'm gonna build armor for my ships out of extra armor sets |
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| 10:28.51 | bluspacecow | *flys into PTR Garrison* |
| 10:29.03 | bluspacecow | *everything gone , like Garrison deleted* |
| 10:29.07 | bluspacecow | *waits* |
| 10:29.11 | bluspacecow | *all buildings load* |
| 10:29.18 | bluspacecow | Hazzah my garrison is back on the PTR |
| 10:29.21 | bluspacecow | *turns around* |
| 10:29.32 | bluspacecow | *al buildings gone again but garrison mostly there* |
| 10:29.37 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.02 | bluspacecow | tis all Fiskerâs fault |
| 10:30.13 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:30.19 | bluspacecow | hey |
| 10:59.51 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/Uyuhxiw |
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| 11:27.49 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I am teh stalker of IRCs. |
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| 11:44.29 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpybgwVnTp8 |
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| 11:50.22 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 11:57.14 | nevcairiel | the amount of effort they put into all those simulator games is fascinating |
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| 12:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, everypeople. Heya, Fiskerboo. |
| 12:23.54 | Simca | hmm, have to decide to take a course in Java, Python, or mobile apps (objective C maybe?) |
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| 12:52.30 | Constie | ~â¥~Lopeppeppy~â¥~ |
| 12:52.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, hearts upon thars! |
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| 13:20.20 | Amarande | huh, that's strange. yet another quest that you basically have to do on Tuesday, I guess :| |
| 13:28.54 | Ironi | is it possible to crash the client with pasting too many chars inside a editbox ? ;p |
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| 13:29.06 | Amarande | Ironi: doubt it |
| 13:29.16 | Semlar | maybe on the ptr |
| 13:29.19 | Amarande | Ironi: that would be something they would have fixed at the very first |
| 13:29.40 | Amarande | keep in mind, "crash from pasting too much stuff" practically automatically tends to go hand in hand with buffer flow exploit |
| 13:29.44 | Amarande | which ... would be disastrous |
| 13:29.52 | Semlar | i doubt it would crash the live client |
| 13:30.05 | Amarande | that would probably literally produce a "you can get your account hacked from game chat" situation, so yeah, can't imagine the live client having that kind of gaping gap |
| 13:31.15 | Ironi | i pasted ~50k chars inside a editbox and my client crashed |
| 13:32.04 | Ironi | no idea how i could avoid that |
| 13:32.47 | haste | by not pasting 50k chars into a editbox obviously :) |
| 13:32.50 | Ironi | 125k* |
| 13:32.58 | Ironi | :D |
| 13:33.42 | Ressy | Thats why arl splits our profession dumps up into multiple editboxes, based on expansion. :) |
| 13:35.27 | Ironi | the problem is that i need(want) to get data from wow -> website -> back to wow, copying/pasting data from editbox seemed like a good idea :P |
| 13:36.09 | Ressy | any chance you can split it into multiple pastes? |
| 13:36.17 | Ressy | or multiple edit boxes? |
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| 13:38.37 | Ironi | if that is the only way to do it, yea |
| 13:39.59 | Ironi | funny thing is that i don't have any problems adding that many chars to editbox using :SetText() and exporting the data, importing is the problem |
| 13:40.24 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.26 | bluspacecow | http://www.squishable.com/pc/squish_great_white_shark_15/Big_Animals/Squishable+Great+White+Shark |
| 13:40.29 | bluspacecow | ^^ Cairenn |
| 13:43.37 | Gnarfoz | Ironi: if it doesn't have to be user-friendly, put it in a variable in an addon and change the file; reload ui on change |
| 13:45.02 | jleclanche | fucks sake |
| 13:45.08 | jleclanche | my bluetooth controller on linux isnt finding anything |
| 13:47.02 | Ironi | Gnarfoz unfortunately thats really not an option, it would slow user (me) too much :/ |
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| 14:30.24 | Torhal | Ironi: You can severely slow the client with too much text in an editbox. |
| 14:30.44 | Torhal | With MoP I had to split the ARL recipe dumps by expansion. |
| 14:31.33 | Torhal | It was actually causing client disconnects before I did that. |
| 14:31.58 | Ressy | That was fun. lol |
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| 14:32.18 | Torhal | So instead of "dump all the recipes" which causes thread lock until it's done, it became "dump classic recipes, then dump TBC recipes" so the main thread could resume between. |
| 14:32.40 | Ironi | im starting to think that the smartest thing would be using wtf file when importing data |
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| 14:43.07 | WrathTECH | Any way to get the current music volume and set to a variable? |
| 14:43.22 | nevcairiel | read the cvar |
| 14:43.40 | WrathTECH | Have been, not having much luck. |
| 14:43.42 | nevcairiel | GetCVar("Sound_MusicVolume") |
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| 14:47.05 | WrathTECH | Works perfect, needed to mute then return the colume |
| 14:54.50 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: it was just displaying the text that slowed it down? not generating the dump? |
| 14:55.29 | Ressy | Was taking too long to generate the single dump of text. |
| 14:55.54 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Yeah, I believe it was the display because even split into expansions there's a discernible pause when switching tabs. |
| 14:56.03 | Arrowmaster | should have used coroutines to generate it then |
| 14:56.19 | Torhal | I actually do. |
| 14:56.38 | Arrowmaster | string operations are expensive in lua |
| 14:56.40 | foxlit | unsolicited ignorant performance advice best kind of performance advice. |
| 14:56.59 | Ressy | Froze the game engine, game engine didn't communicate with game servers in time, voila.. disconnect |
| 14:57.15 | Ressy | was fun |
| 14:57.28 | Torhal | And that was with the coroutines. |
| 14:58.02 | Torhal | It's an issue with too much text in an EditBox. I actually tried to find information about it and found a blurb about it from Slouken. |
| 14:58.23 | Torhal | So now there are several EditBox instances! |
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| 15:06.05 | Semlar | resets torhal's instances |
| 15:06.21 | Torhal | gives Semlar an internal mail system error. |
| 15:07.40 | Gnarfoz | uuencodes Semlar and attaches him to an email addressed to Torhal |
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| 15:10.28 | Amarande | Torhal: btw, is this too-much-data thing related to why ARL has been broken out into separate addons for each prof now? |
| 15:10.38 | Amarande | like, how you have to download ARL and then individual plugins for each prof you want to use it with |
| 15:12.36 | Torhal | Amarande: Not the EditBox issue. It was mainly because we'd had complaints over the years along the lines of "I only care about X profession" or the absurd "Why does this use so much memory?!?!?!?!?!?" and before Ackis decided he hated me and left WoW forever, he and I discussed it and thought it would be a neat thing to do. |
| 15:12.50 | Torhal | So two years later, I buckled down and did it. |
| 15:13.54 | Torhal | Now we have people complaining that they don't want to download them separately. It's fucking awesome. Can't please everyone. :D |
| 15:14.44 | foxlit | no, see, what you do is pointedly ignore people who complain about memory usage |
| 15:14.50 | Amarande | hah, my first reaction was more "WTF, why isn't this working like it used to? ... oh." |
| 15:15.32 | Torhal | foxlit: I did, for years. The split simply had the side-effect of shutting them the hell up. |
| 15:17.05 | WrathTECH | How the heck do you stop a OnUpdate loop after it's make it's loop (5 1 seconds loops) |
| 15:17.36 | Semlar | set the onupdate script to nil |
| 15:18.00 | foxlit | hide the frame. |
| 15:18.06 | foxlit | figure out that you're done and exit early |
| 15:18.10 | foxlit | WRITE SOME DAMN CODE. |
| 15:18.17 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 15:18.22 | foxlit | NO SEMLAR. |
| 15:18.27 | Semlar | hides |
| 15:18.32 | Gnarfoz | is that like "NO MERCY"? |
| 15:18.50 | WrathTECH | foxlit. do I really have to go over this again, im in the process of learning. |
| 15:19.28 | Gnarfoz | just ignore him if he's being grumpy ;) |
| 15:19.35 | nevcairiel | Torhal: package them all, load them on demand when the procession is active on the char, no extra mem use, still only one download? :d |
| 15:19.35 | Semlar | if |
| 15:19.40 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 15:19.42 | nevcairiel | profession* |
| 15:20.08 | foxlit | stylistic expression aside, I just think you should think more about what it is you're asking before you hit "send" |
| 15:20.39 | Ressy | nevcairiel: I do believe they were already load on demand. |
| 15:20.45 | Ressy | problem is, it'd load them all i think. |
| 15:20.54 | foxlit | because that really should've been answerable from the knowledge required to ask it. |
| 15:20.57 | WrathTECH | you do realize that I have 10 tabs open on lua programming. |
| 15:21.45 | Gnarfoz | beginners can quite quickly exhaust the "why is this happening?" space |
| 15:21.55 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.08 | WrathTECH | On top of being piss ass tired. -_- |
| 15:22.32 | Semlar | are you always tired |
| 15:22.45 | Gnarfoz | in this case, the information is probably out there, that's true, but perhaps he doesn't yet have the necessary grasp to connect the dots |
| 15:22.46 | WrathTECH | Nope. Just past my bed time, |
| 15:22.53 | Gnarfoz | sleepy tiems \o/ |
| 15:23.08 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: no, I mean it's entirely viable to answer it by internal reflection, not external resources. |
| 15:23.13 | WrathTECH | Don't all Dev's work past bed time? lol |
| 15:23.23 | Gnarfoz | professional ones don't |
| 15:23.31 | nevcairiel | Ressy: so, a bunch of lines of extra code couldnt fix that, so it needed to be split? =P |
| 15:23.36 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 15:24.52 | Ressy | shrugs |
| 15:24.56 | Ressy | I'm not the one who does the code. |
| 15:25.32 | foxlit | "So I have this OnUpdate handler that I set on some frame that I no longer want to run after some specific condition is met. I wonder how I can stop it from running." |
| 15:25.38 | Ressy | also resulted in me getting more than $0.20 a day, for doing all the db work. |
| 15:26.17 | foxlit | "I could stick a giant if around its guts" / "I could call SetScript again to remove it" / "I could hide the frame to stop OnUpdate from even running in the first place" |
| 15:26.45 | nevcairiel | the last one may not be obvious if you dont know that relation |
| 15:26.47 | Gnarfoz | the last bit is rather not-obvious |
| 15:27.07 | foxlit | right, but I'm kind of assuming you should know wtf an OnUpdate handler is since you're already using one. |
| 15:27.09 | Gnarfoz | also "maybe there is :StopUpdate()" |
| 15:27.26 | nevcairiel | since there isnt StartUpdate, that seems far-fetched |
| 15:27.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:27.35 | Gnarfoz | beginners be beginners |
| 15:27.38 | foxlit | because otherwise, you're doing programming-by-copy-paste, and that's just an endless string of annoyances and disasters waiting to happen. |
| 15:27.48 | Gnarfoz | but it's the modus operandi for MANY people |
| 15:27.55 | nevcairiel | thats how Stanzilla works |
| 15:27.59 | Gnarfoz | especially in scripted systems like this |
| 15:28.33 | Gnarfoz | "this mod does X, that mod does Y, I wonder if I can combine those! *kludges*" |
| 15:28.50 | nevcairiel | this is why we have so many terrible mods |
| 15:28.58 | Gnarfoz | cleraly |
| 15:29.01 | Gnarfoz | *clearly |
| 15:29.12 | Semlar | pastes nevcairiel onto gnarfoz |
| 15:29.14 | Gnarfoz | but not everyone is the "I'd rather it not exist in the first place, then" camp |
| 15:30.03 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: hey, I'm squishy |
| 15:31.41 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/HbKST |
| 15:32.52 | Dagmar | Hey, copypasta programming works _if_ you're actually interested in learning the language |
| 15:36.11 | Shirik | nevcairiel: s/mod/software/ |
| 15:36.23 | VIad | s/software/* |
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| 15:39.27 | WrathTECH | Something in the API change recently? cen't determine the sound channel as Master |
| 15:39.36 | WrathTECH | With PlaySoundFile |
| 15:39.44 | foxlit | Simca: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/tickets/494 |
| 15:40.42 | WrathTECH | If that was ou foxlit, I had you on ignore. |
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| 15:55.08 | Simca | sound API stuff changed a bit |
| 15:55.27 | Simca | it is called by SoundEntries name in addition to file name |
| 15:55.41 | pompy | http://store.steampowered.com/app/362890/ |
| 15:56.25 | Simca | foxlit: meh. PEBKAC. obviously you can't use two addons that do the same thing (auto complete garrison missions) and expect them to work |
| 15:56.41 | Simca | I guess I can just have mine disable itself if MasterPlan is present |
| 15:59.03 | bluspacecow | oh goody PTR garrison buildings are back ! |
| 15:59.08 | bluspacecow | *turns to the right* |
| 15:59.14 | bluspacecow | *no path to shipyard* |
| 15:59.19 | bluspacecow | Iâm on Live :( |
| 15:59.35 | foxlit | Simca: might be easier just to hook the framexml code instead of the API |
| 16:02.09 | Dagmar | there's a shipyard now? Cool |
| 16:02.39 | Simca | yeah probably. when I made the addon though, the frameXML wasn't remotely finished or stable for garrison missions |
| 16:06.19 | pompy | "eBay and PayPal will be separate companies soon. We've updated the eBay and PayPal User Agreements and Privacy Notices" |
| 16:07.16 | fewyn | unlocking the tier3 gearworks is annoying esp if you only have it on one alt |
| 16:08.28 | Amarande | pompy: wonder if that will start making it actually reasonable for individuals to sell stuff on ebay again |
| 16:09.00 | Amarande | as opposed to the present, where unless you're basically a company with a risk plan or you don't actually care about giving away your stuff ... |
| 16:15.38 | Dagmar | You can always refuse to accept bids from people without safe-looking histories |
| 16:15.57 | Dagmar | I see people lissting all the time saying up front they'll reject your bid if you have no buying history or rep |
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| 16:18.54 | Dagmar | It disblieves in the TLD |
| 16:18.57 | Dagmar | !@#!@ |
| 16:19.37 | WrathTECH | So setting the timer to nil, bugs out the game. There any other way to stop a OnUpdate timer loop? |
| 16:19.53 | Dagmar | Exit the game. |
| 16:19.54 | zenzelezz | hide the frame |
| 16:20.18 | Dagmar | OnUpdate is going to call every time the item is being shown and the screen updates |
| 16:20.19 | WrathTECH | There's no frame to be hidden. I't a delay to re-enable sound |
| 16:20.33 | zenzelezz | onupdate is tied to frames |
| 16:20.34 | Dagmar | Whether or not you do anything inside OnUpdate is your call to make |
| 16:21.01 | WrathTECH | Hrmm. Is there a better way to put in a delay then |
| 16:22.00 | Amarande | Dagmar: still, it's pretty severely damaged the used PC parts market, to the point of further depreciating such stuff :| |
| 16:22.30 | Amarande | Sellers get forced to either artificially reject demand (lowering value) or go to less buyer-loving establishments like Craiglist (but which have smaller potential markets, lowering value) |
| 16:25.05 | Amarande | If PayPal's a separate company, hopefully they won't stand for "let's yank your money back months later" crap like ebay is known for now :) |
| 16:40.08 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaINwwc_bpk |
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| 16:57.05 | WrathTECH | Well if that wasnt a fun task. Time for round two, getting the sound to incrementally go up |
| 17:05.16 | jleclanche | Dagmar: btw, update on fireplace: http://hearthsim.info/New-site-new-blog-new-events-api/ |
| 17:20.55 | g0urra | http://www.thestatelyharold.com/#!Silent-Hills-officially-UNcancelled-the-petition-changed-our-minds/cmbz/5547ce530cf2836c8816e2bc |
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| 17:36.42 | Arrowmaster | fucking facebook just ate my post from mobile |
| 17:37.14 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 17:37.36 | Arrowmaster | was probably the wifi signal dropping when i hit post |
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| 17:38.18 | Arrowmaster | ill retype it later |
| 17:40.49 | Amarande | yeah that's one thing mobile architects haven't really seemed to find a good way to handle gracefully |
| 17:41.32 | Amarande | that, and when you're coming or going from home (or somewhere where you've got wifi on a regular basis so you've got the hotspot remembered) and connections go out of wack because of the switchover between cell and wifi connection |
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| 17:55.08 | Jamash | load up launcher to work on addon |
| 17:55.11 | Jamash | open ptr |
| 17:55.14 | Jamash | forget it is tuesday |
| 17:55.22 | Jamash | facepalm |
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| 18:02.52 | fewyn | what the frack http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/5/8553491/skype-name-trademark-sky-broadcaster-europe-ruling |
| 18:04.19 | zenzelezz | wow |
| 18:04.48 | zenzelezz | "Sky originally filed its complaint in 2005" - well, at least it shouldn't have been a surprise to MS then |
| 18:09.33 | Jamash | all they need to do is change the logo |
| 18:09.58 | Jamash | capitalize it differently |
| 18:09.58 | Jamash | done |
| 18:11.16 | Jamash | throw some random punctuation in for good effect |
| 18:11.24 | Jamash | like SK-YPE |
| 18:11.42 | Jamash | or s'KyPe |
| 18:12.24 | zenzelezz | Åkỳp⬠|
| 18:12.32 | Arrowmaster | do it in gaelic, that will teach them englishmen |
| 18:12.58 | zenzelezz | or mix it up |
| 18:13.03 | Jamash | or come up with a better name than skype which I could probably do in five minutes |
| 18:13.06 | zenzelezz | Pykes |
| 18:13.08 | Jamash | they're called microsoft |
| 18:13.10 | Jamash | it's a phone |
| 18:13.13 | Jamash | microPHON3 |
| 18:13.18 | Jamash | that will be ten million dollars |
| 18:13.21 | zenzelezz | Psyke |
| 18:13.24 | Jamash | ^ |
| 18:13.42 | Arrowmaster | knowing MS it will be Onepe |
| 18:13.58 | Jamash | xbox phone |
| 18:14.05 | Arrowmaster | xbox one phone |
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| 18:14.11 | Jamash | sxboxype |
| 18:14.17 | zenzelezz | Bing VoiceX |
| 18:14.27 | Jamash | MicrophONE |
| 18:14.34 | Jamash | Microph1 |
| 18:14.40 | Jamash | brilliant |
| 18:14.49 | Jamash | just stupid enough for MS |
| 18:14.50 | zenzelezz | we're basically doing their job for them |
| 18:14.55 | Jamash | well someone has to |
| 18:15.00 | Jamash | they're certainly not |
| 18:15.10 | Arrowmaster | this is a billion dollar meeting going on right here |
| 18:15.21 | Jamash | trademarks microph1 |
| 18:15.34 | Arrowmaster | buy the domains too! |
| 18:16.24 | Arrowmaster | i need to go vote and piss in a cup |
| 18:16.32 | Arrowmaster | hopefully not at the same time |
| 18:17.09 | Jamash | saves time |
| 18:17.21 | zenzelezz | what are you voting for that requires a urine test? |
| 18:17.27 | Arrowmaster | im not |
| 18:17.41 | Arrowmaster | its election day and i also have to do a pre employment piss test |
| 18:18.01 | zenzelezz | is that normal over there? |
| 18:18.09 | Arrowmaster | pre employment piss tests? |
| 18:18.19 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 18:18.31 | Arrowmaster | yes, ive had to do one for all three of my fulltime positions now |
| 18:18.39 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/aTXFFux.png btw |
| 18:19.10 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 18:19.10 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 18:19.10 | Arrowmaster | OneLync! |
| 18:19.10 | Arrowmaster | genius |
| 18:19.34 | Arrowmaster | that seriously sounds like a name they would rebrand it to |
| 18:19.42 | Arrowmaster | somebody buy that domain now |
| 18:25.49 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I'm beginning to wonder if this has to do with Murdoch presumably having a personal hate for Microsoft :| |
| 18:26.13 | Amarande | one, I've never seen any brands containing 'sky' get sued except for, oddly enough, things owned and operated by Microsoft (SkyDrive, Skype) |
| 18:26.37 | Amarande | two, it occurs to me that Sky is owned by Fox ... Fox vs. MSNBC rivalry anyone? |
| 18:27.02 | zenzelezz | entirely possible |
| 18:27.19 | Amarande | they're Microsoft! you're not supposed to get your news from MSNBC you're supposed to get your fair and balanced information from FOX News! *eyeroll* |
| 18:28.08 | Amarande | Haven't seen e.g. Bethesda get pinged for "Skyrim", even though I've seen trademarks get abused that way (King.com and "Saga" coming to mind) |
| 18:28.46 | Jamash | And "scrolls" |
| 18:29.28 | Jamash | ok, so now my challenge is to work on my addon without getting distracted by playing the game |
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| 18:30.50 | Jamash | I'm trying out Brackets, a FLOSS programmer's text editor from Adobe on the advice of my html/css class instructor |
| 18:31.06 | jleclanche | Jamash: that's an atom fork isnt it? |
| 18:31.35 | Jamash | it seems pretty neat but I was rather bemused when it choked on a file with one (1) non-UTF-8 character in it |
| 18:31.44 | Jamash | jleclanche: I have no idea |
| 18:33.15 | zenzelezz | Jamash: because real coders only need 7 bits plzthx |
| 18:33.36 | Jamash | anyway I converted the file to utf8 and it works fine |
| 18:39.11 | Jamash | Brackets and Atom seem similar in that they both are clones of Sublime Text |
| 18:46.21 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: it's not |
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| 19:02.57 | foxlit | Semlar: psst, QueryCastSequence |
| 19:03.14 | Semlar | what now |
| 19:03.27 | Semlar | is this for getting what a castsequence is on |
| 19:03.48 | foxlit | that is what it does. |
| 19:04.56 | Semlar | wait if you have two identical castsequence strings in different macros bound to different keys would they advance at the same time |
| 19:05.44 | foxlit | there is no magic; of course that's how it works. |
| 19:06.21 | Semlar | i assumed the macro would store its index internally |
| 19:06.55 | Semlar | not storing it based on the unique string |
| 19:08.02 | foxlit | it also means that a single cast can advance multiple sequences |
| 19:11.05 | Semlar | is it based exactly on a unique castsequence string or does it do some sort of normalization |
| 19:11.28 | Semlar | i guess it's probably implemented in the framexml |
| 19:11.35 | foxlit | it is; look it up. |
| 19:12.45 | Semlar | it's all in chatframe.lua? |
| 19:13.32 | foxlit | iirc yes |
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| 19:21.14 | fewyn | http://dev.modern.ie/platform/changelog/ |
| 19:21.20 | Semlar | well then i guess i lied about there being no easy way to figure out what a castsequence is on |
| 19:23.11 | Gnarfoz | lol, https://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2976 bug 2976: fix to bug 11 (!) introduced erroneous behaviour and nobody noticed for 8 years |
| 19:23.24 | Gnarfoz | also, slouken sighting! |
| 19:25.28 | Semlar | now if only firefox would fix the fact that tabs randomly bleed over onto other tabs when you switch between them |
| 19:25.35 | Semlar | i don't even know what to call this |
| 19:29.25 | Semlar | it doesn't draw the elements of the new tab, it continues displaying what the previous tab looked like unless you happen to roll over a link or something on the new tab and it'll show it |
| 19:31.53 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.43 | zenzelezz | what is hydra's role in that? |
| 19:32.52 | Semlar | i don't know, but it's powered by them |
| 19:33.03 | zenzelezz | anyway; I've seen the same thing (minus hydra) a few times |
| 19:33.16 | Semlar | this is currently supposed to be displaying a page on wowpedia |
| 19:33.20 | zenzelezz | only in the last version or two I think |
| 19:33.27 | Semlar | nah it's been doing this for a long time |
| 19:33.32 | Semlar | i don't know what version it started on |
| 19:34.00 | Semlar | i thought it had something to do with pandora but it could just be because i always have pandora open |
| 19:35.37 | Semlar | i usually just tab back and forth to fix it |
| 19:35.47 | Gnarfoz | step 1: disable all addons, plugins, and extensions, try again |
| 19:35.52 | Gnarfoz | but you've surely done that before |
| 19:35.59 | Semlar | use the internet without adblock? surely you jest |
| 19:36.20 | Gnarfoz | those seem to be Wikipedia and Wowpedia, don't you TRUST THEM? :> |
| 19:36.23 | Semlar | the trouble is it appears pretty randomly |
| 19:36.29 | Gnarfoz | oh, well |
| 19:36.53 | Gnarfoz | blame heightened solar activity and flipped bits, then |
| 19:37.38 | Semlar | i've noticed absolutely no correlation between how long the browser has been open or anything other than the fact that i've never seen it happen without pandora open |
| 19:37.56 | Semlar | but that could just be a coincidence |
| 19:39.42 | Semlar | especially since i can't imagine how that could work |
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| 20:07.31 | zenzelezz | oh god no |
| 20:07.42 | zenzelezz | the Nepal earthquake made Mount Everest shrink by about an inch |
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| 20:13.17 | fewyn | OH NO |
| 20:13.20 | fewyn | whatever will we do |
| 20:22.55 | Semlar | from what point do they measure these things |
| 20:23.23 | Semlar | sea level i suppose |
| 20:24.41 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 20:25.13 | nevcairiel | so maybe global warming c aused the sea level to raise instead of the mountain shrinking?!? |
| 20:25.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont think sealevel is where the water is anymore |
| 20:26.13 | zenzelezz | according to the article it lost the height because the crust fell a little in the quake (terminology may be wrongly translated) |
| 20:30.27 | Thunder_Child | Is it really too much to ask that both FF and Chrome render element positions the same? |
| 20:30.59 | bshelden | Do they actually use something like average local sea level or just count off the geoid? |
| 20:31.02 | zenzelezz | shouldn't be, but I don't often see them disagree anymore... what's the case now? |
| 20:31.42 | zenzelezz | "The term above sea level generally refers actually to above mean sea level (AMSL)" |
| 20:31.55 | zenzelezz | so yeah, some average (or mean) |
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| 20:35.16 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: http://i.imgur.com/NfcEmd4.png |
| 20:35.31 | Arrowmaster | im a terrible person to give gifts to, i got some today and i already found out that the quality of it is crap compared to what it used to be for this item and thinking they probably overpaid for it and should have just asked me for a recommendation instead of looking for something on their own |
| 20:36.22 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: same css? |
| 20:36.27 | Thunder_Child | Yes. |
| 20:36.44 | Arrowmaster | confusing |
| 20:36.45 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: wow, that's not even close |
| 20:37.21 | Thunder_Child | I know. I am less than pleased. |
| 20:37.44 | zenzelezz | are they actually given dimensions? I know they sometimes seem to disagree on "default" values in some circumstances |
| 20:38.20 | zenzelezz | Chrome definitely renders the font smoother |
| 20:38.52 | Thunder_Child | The silver bubble does. but not the sub divs |
| 20:39.51 | zenzelezz | most peculiar. I'm not much good for CSS at the best of times; can't even guess what's wrong here :-| |
| 20:40.19 | zenzelezz | it seems to get the text vertically right on the "note" box at least, but not the others... which seems a bit odd to me |
| 20:40.20 | Arrowmaster | last time i did css was back when html4.1 was a new thing |
| 20:41.54 | Thunder_Child | It's just frustrating. |
| 20:42.46 | Thunder_Child | Although it's perfectly reasonable in humans to describe the same thing and still get two different responses. |
| 20:43.45 | fewyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq33Evr92Jc |
| 20:43.48 | fewyn | hillarious |
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| 20:50.35 | Eol | What's the appropriate way to determine if something's already known. e.g. looking at the garrison blueprint vendor, how do I know that my character already knows Level 3 - Mines? |
| 20:51.25 | Semlar | there are a couple addons that do this but i don't remember their names |
| 20:51.33 | kullervo | altoholic highlights them |
| 20:51.38 | Semlar | and i don't know if they do something other than scan the tooltip |
| 20:51.42 | kullervo | but the böozzard tooltips include the data |
| 20:51.55 | Eol | ok, so I can't get it through a normal API call? I have to scan the data? |
| 20:51.56 | Amarande | yeah tooltips are pretty complex things |
| 20:52.03 | Semlar | boozzard |
| 20:52.09 | Amarande | That's how it's possible for a "mere tooltip" to lead to catastrophes like that one infamous bug early in Wrath :) |
| 20:52.15 | Semlar | BOOZZARD |
| 20:52.22 | Eol | what bug? |
| 20:52.32 | kullervo | Böossard, Semlar |
| 20:52.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah what but? |
| 20:52.37 | Arrowmaster | bug |
| 20:52.49 | Amarande | Eol: early in Wrath there was a bug with certain environment clickables where if you moused over them, the tooltip code would wig out and proceed to devour every bit of RAM the WoW process could address |
| 20:53.01 | Amarande | (as in, the quest clickables that yield cogwheel icons kinda things) |
| 20:53.04 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember that |
| 20:53.39 | Amarande | it was pretty catastrophic, especially since back then a lot of people still only had 2GB, meaning it would create a full system crash too |
| 20:54.46 | Eol | So you could, theoretically, create a mapping of items to known spellids, and do it that way through api calls |
| 20:54.54 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/alreadyknown |
| 20:55.30 | WrathTECH | Maybe I'm too tire or whatever, but I can't get these if statements to display an image to work for the life of me. http://pastebin.com/XdNSRGNJ |
| 20:56.06 | Semlar | the indentation on this is out of control |
| 20:56.27 | Eol | Yeah, looks like it just scans tooltips |
| 20:56.27 | WrathTECH | Yes, it is. I need to go back through and polish it |
| 20:56.57 | Semlar | i assume Horde is not a variable you've defined somewhere |
| 20:57.19 | Semlar | so this is just comparing with nil |
| 20:57.45 | Semlar | and where is playerFaction being defined |
| 20:57.48 | WrathTECH | playerFaction = UnitFactionGroup("player") |
| 20:57.56 | WrathTECH | at the start of the file |
| 20:58.16 | Semlar | and when is it being defined, i'm not sure if it returns valid data until PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 20:58.28 | Semlar | you should print it to make sure |
| 20:58.52 | WrathTECH | Already did, prints Horde and Alliance |
| 20:58.52 | Semlar | and what i mean is you literally have Horde and Alliance as variables, not strings |
| 20:59.09 | Semlar | if you mean to reference the global variables they're in all caps |
| 20:59.25 | WrathTECH | Wasn't on my computer |
| 20:59.28 | Semlar | or if they're supposed to be strings they need quotes around them |
| 21:00.38 | Semlar | you could try FACTION_HORDE and FACTION_ALLIANCE |
| 21:01.19 | WrathTECH | It all worked great until the if statement |
| 21:01.42 | WrathTECH | FACTION_HORDE and FACTION_ALLIANCE breaks it |
| 21:02.09 | Semlar | oh the function doesn't return a localized version of the string anyway |
| 21:02.17 | Semlar | just put quotes around Horde and Alliance |
| 21:02.27 | WrathTECH | Tried that and it broke also. |
| 21:02.34 | Semlar | you'll have to be more specific |
| 21:03.29 | WrathTECH | "Horde" |
| 21:03.30 | WrathTECH | 3x Platter\Platter-1.0.lua:437: attempt to call method 'SetTexture' (a nil value) |
| 21:03.31 | WrathTECH | Platter\Platter-1.0.lua:437: in main chunk |
| 21:03.40 | Semlar | okay that's an actual error not a failing if statement |
| 21:04.05 | Semlar | because factionLogo is the frame not the texture |
| 21:04.36 | Semlar | you need to call SetTexture on factionLogoTex |
| 21:04.36 | WrathTECH | I had it set to the texture also before. Let me try it with the quotes |
| 21:04.50 | Semlar | well you definitely need quotes around horde and alliance |
| 21:05.05 | Semlar | and then you need to change factionLogo:SetTexture to factionLogoTex:SetTexture |
| 21:05.31 | Semlar | but the lua error basically tells you what's wrong |
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| 21:05.46 | WrathTECH | factionLogoTex with quotes worked |
| 21:07.21 | WrathTECH | Then, at that, theoretically this should works also |
| 21:07.22 | WrathTECH | else if playerFaction == "nil" then |
| 21:07.23 | WrathTECH | factionLogoTex:SetTexture(nil) |
| 21:07.28 | Semlar | no |
| 21:07.35 | Semlar | nil shouldn't have quotes around it because it's not a string |
| 21:07.40 | WrathTECH | k |
| 21:07.44 | Stanzilla | nils Semlar |
| 21:07.46 | Semlar | do you understand why you need quotes around the other strings |
| 21:07.54 | WrathTECH | Learning. |
| 21:08.46 | Semlar | if you don't put quotes around Horde it's going to try and look up the variable Horde, and failing that it assumes the value of nil |
| 21:09.05 | Semlar | nil is lua's version of nothing |
| 21:09.12 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.40 | WrathTECH | The nil version without quotes seems to work, no errors and no logo showing. (Made a temp pandaren) |
| 21:09.54 | Semlar | i'm also pretty sure putting a space after else is going to be a problem |
| 21:10.24 | Semlar | which is probably why you have 3 "ends" |
| 21:10.45 | Semlar | it's just "elseif" |
| 21:11.14 | WrathTECH | that will bring the ends down to just one then? |
| 21:11.18 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:11.29 | WrathTECH | Kk, ty, didn't know about that trick. |
| 21:12.16 | Semlar | i think the way you have it probably technically still works but it's not how it should be written |
| 21:12.45 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I'm all game for optimizations. I will be running this through a few validation tools. |
| 21:13.19 | Semlar | well it's not an optimization, the logic is wrong but will have the same result |
| 21:13.30 | Semlar | you have nested if statements |
| 21:13.33 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.17 | WrathTECH | Aight, I best be off for a bit, dinner time |
| 21:14.31 | Semlar | which is why the indentation looked bizarre |
| 21:14.43 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/at7qT0rD this is how what you have would be indented |
| 21:15.51 | WrathTECH | That will be one of my last steps, re indenting everything. Notepad++ messed up quite a bit. Plus, sleeping meds. lol |
| 21:16.46 | Semlar | you should just get in the habit of indenting things as you go along because it will make it a hell of a lot easier to identify problems |
| 21:17.23 | WrathTECH | I'm in the habit of it, for HTML/CSS, Lua is a bit different indentation I am working on learning. |
| 21:17.59 | fewyn | iZombie is pretty cheesey but great |
| 21:18.04 | Semlar | the indentation is the same, although it's generally up to the programmer how to implement it |
| 21:18.11 | WrathTECH | Yup. |
| 21:18.17 | WrathTECH | Aight. afk. Dinner. |
| 21:18.23 | Arrowmaster | this warlock naxx challenge in HS is bullshit |
| 21:18.55 | Amarande | ow. |
| 21:19.03 | Arrowmaster | any minion i play he kills it off with a spell |
| 21:19.10 | Amarande | I'm surprised I haven't reduced my right little toe to powder over the years ... clocking it on corners of things and such ... heh |
| 21:24.38 | Arrowmaster | omfg saved by drawing jaraxxus with 2hp left |
| 21:25.35 | Arrowmaster | omfg 1hp left and he still fucking got me |
| 21:25.50 | Arrowmaster | fucking 1 ho |
| 21:25.50 | Semlar | you face jaraxxus |
| 21:26.05 | Semlar | eradar lord of the burning legion |
| 21:35.24 | Arrowmaster | grim patron + commanding shout combo in unranked.... |
| 21:36.32 | Arrowmaster | zoo warrior.... |
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| 21:42.12 | aggixx | So I have a weakaura that does a graphic overlay over a buff icon and very occasionally the overlay doesn't properly reset when the buff fades. Is it possible that SPELL_AURA_REMOVED isn't always triggering? |
| 21:42.33 | aggixx | its a tricky one to troubleshoot since I don't have a way to replicate it |
| 21:44.38 | Mr_Rabies | you can do /etrace and see if the event isn't firing, i guess? i'm not an addon developer or anything, but might be worth a shot |
| 21:44.59 | Mr_Rabies | i know the default buff frames really don't like doing a lot of things in combat that aren't default behaviors |
| 21:46.31 | aggixx | I would have to figure out how to invoke the behavior somehow. I know things start to really break when I've got very high ping. |
| 21:48.55 | Semlar | unless the combat log breaks it should still be firing |
| 21:49.34 | Semlar | what buff are you watching |
| 21:49.56 | aggixx | Rake, Rip, and Thrash |
| 21:50.31 | Semlar | i don't suppose you're doing anything unusual with how your aura is set up |
| 21:50.48 | Semlar | there isn't any logic involved that might be breaking |
| 21:51.11 | aggixx | I wouldn't call it usual, but the logic seems fine as far as I can tell |
| 21:51.46 | Semlar | are you doing something other than straight up untriggering the aura on SPELL_AURA_REMOVED |
| 21:52.41 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: I know the UI in general doesn't like doing a lot of things in combat that aren't default behaviours FTFY :) |
| 21:52.45 | aggixx | yes, very different. I'm tracking snapshotting information on many targets and only refreshing the display when needed, so there's some caching sort of thing |
| 21:53.09 | Semlar | okay, i'm going to say you probably have an issue with your logic somewhere, probably a race condition |
| 21:53.25 | Semlar | that's much more likely than the event not firing |
| 21:54.26 | aggixx | yeah I would've assumed as much as well but I can't see any issues just following the logic |
| 21:54.35 | Semlar | without seeing the lua i can't make any guesses |
| 21:54.35 | aggixx | the high ping thing is really what throws me for a loop |
| 21:55.22 | Semlar | well, if it's really only happening with high latency you probably have an event you're watching fire locally sooner than something that's happening as a response from the server that doesn't normally happen in that order |
| 21:55.49 | Semlar | maybe not "probably", but that's a possibility |
| 21:56.23 | aggixx | yeah that's a good point |
| 21:56.35 | Semlar | if you're watching UNIT_SPELLCAST events in addition to the combat log |
| 21:56.52 | Semlar | the combat log event could be delayed |
| 21:57.18 | aggixx | I only use CLEU |
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| 21:58.17 | Semlar | if you only ever use the combat log i would think the events would generally stick to their order regardless of your latency |
| 21:58.41 | Semlar | but you can't always rely on those events firing in the order you expect them to |
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| 22:00.04 | Semlar | paste your code somewhere and maybe someone can help |
| 22:00.40 | Semlar | but i have to go for now, 23 skidoo! |
| 22:00.51 | aggixx | thanks for the help |
| 22:02.14 | aggixx | this is the import string, but its a couple hundred lines of code between several triggers http://pastebin.com/GhXd9bjY |
| 22:04.35 | aggixx | the display gets refreshed whenever my custom events WA_FOO_APPLIED, WA_FOO_REMOVED, or WA_TARGET_CHANGED are triggered. The first two only occur if the application/refresh/remove happen on the enemy I'm currently targeting, and then target change occurs every time I change targets |
| 22:04.58 | aggixx | as far as I can tell the display should refresh any time that it would need to, yet it does not. |
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| 22:30.25 | aggixx | oh hmm, its definitely a logic issue, durr |
| 22:30.38 | aggixx | how it even works as well as it does with such a glaring mistake is beyond me |
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| 22:48.22 | aggixx | got it figured out, its because I was only clearing the snapshot data if the debuff faded while I had the enemy targeted. So the display was actually updating perfectly, its just that the data it was using to update the display was sometimes wrong. |
| 22:48.26 | aggixx | thanks again Semlar :) |
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| 22:51.12 | Eol | So if I wanted to determine if I knew the lunarfall inn, level 3 schematic, through an api (not tooltips) where should I start? |
| 22:51.59 | Eol | I found through wowhead it's building 36, and there's a spellid of 155872 somehow associated to something, but that spellid is not known |
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| 23:54.21 | Semlar | Eol: as far as i can tell, whether you need the plan or not is the last (6th) return of C_Garrison.GetBuildingTooltip(36) |
| 23:55.00 | Semlar | if it's false you have the plan |
| 23:56.50 | Eol | Yeah, looks like garrision plans need to be handled differently.. it would have been nice if they were SpellIds |
| 23:57.29 | Semlar | for what purpose |
| 23:57.56 | Amarande | Eol: that depends |
| 23:58.02 | Amarande | is building garrison plans a protected function or not? |
| 23:58.33 | Eol | Basically, it's to color an item on a vendor a particular color, I wanted to use APIs to get the data, not rely on scanning tooltips |
| 23:58.48 | Eol | I could create an association between ITemID -> SPellID, and IsPlayerSpell() would tell me if it was known |
| 23:59.26 | Amarande | (what I'm aiming at being, if it was a SpellID, then presumably building would have to use ActionCastSpell, which would mean if it's not protected as it is, it would become so) |
