| 00:07.48 | karl_w_w | http://www.9news.com.au/health/2015/04/01/23/36/paracetemol-could-be-doing-more-harm-than-good |
| 00:13.02 | Semlar | if it's ineffective then why would people be taking it |
| 00:13.08 | foxlit | "A dropdown menu has been added to the Death Recap screen, so you can immediately tweet your favorite developer about how you died." << someone should clearly get on that. |
| 00:13.30 | Semlar | maybe if we could access any of the social ui stuff |
| 00:13.58 | foxlit | which you can. |
| 00:14.19 | Semlar | you could probably post some text to the frame but that's lame |
| 00:15.14 | foxlit | what else would you want, Semlar, a moose? |
| 00:15.26 | Semlar | immediately tweeting? |
| 00:16.05 | foxlit | close enough. |
| 00:16.11 | Semlar | pfft |
| 00:23.19 | fewyn | man i love the flash... it keeps getting better and better |
| 00:23.21 | Shirik | people still take tylenol? |
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| 00:24.02 | Shirik | I refuse to. The standard dosage is way too close to the maximum dosage. |
| 00:25.04 | Mr_Rabies | it's the only pain relief thing my mom can take i think |
| 00:25.17 | Mr_Rabies | she had a kidney removed and advil is 100% off limits as a result |
| 00:26.14 | Shirik | that's fine, so make it a prescription drug for those kinds of uses |
| 00:26.15 | Mr_Rabies | also "maximum dosage" is as low as it is because even though it's way lower than dangerous dosage dangerous dosage is so dangerous that it's worth keeping the maximum low |
| 00:26.22 | Shirik | no |
| 00:26.24 | Shirik | it's not |
| 00:26.39 | Shirik | paracetamol is an insanely dangerous drug |
| 00:27.45 | foxlit | for some definitions of all of those words. |
| 00:27.46 | Mr_Rabies | the real messed up thing is using it as a deterrent against abusing stronger painkillers |
| 00:27.54 | Simca | yeah, you have a low definition of insane |
| 00:28.01 | Simca | there are far, far, far more dangerous things |
| 00:28.06 | Shirik | ok let me change it up a little |
| 00:28.12 | Mr_Rabies | if someone's addicted to oxycontin, they're not gonna worry about eventual liver damage and use that as a deterrent |
| 00:28.20 | Shirik | for over-the-counter medicines, tylenol is probably the most dangerous available |
| 00:28.47 | Shirik | easiest to overdose on? maybe that's clearer |
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| 00:30.41 | Mr_Rabies | what if i told you there was an OTC that mixed tylenol, pseudoephedrine, and a sedative? |
| 00:30.44 | Cairenn | Unless you have chronic pain and build up a huge flippin' tolerance for the damn stuff |
| 00:30.51 | Shirik | here's a google thingy; I have no idea what the reputation of this site is http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/03/26/acetaminophen-overdose.aspx |
| 00:31.22 | Shirik | actually I've convinced myself that's a terrible site |
| 00:31.34 | Shirik | but regardless, tylenol's toxicity is pretty well documented |
| 00:31.36 | Mr_Rabies | i got myself some bad pseudoephedrine once |
| 00:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | it was a store brand and i think the time release stuff wasn't working correctly |
| 00:31.54 | Mr_Rabies | i felt like jason statham in Crank |
| 00:33.01 | Mr_Rabies | Joseph M. Mercola (born 1954) is an alternative medicine proponent, osteopathic physician, and web entrepreneur, who markets a variety of controversial dietary supplements and medical devices through his website, mercola.com |
| 00:33.04 | Mr_Rabies | so yeah :p |
| 00:33.06 | Mr_Rabies | not very reputable |
| 00:33.15 | Shirik | yeah I realized it when I read that it was a "natural health care" site |
| 00:33.39 | Mr_Rabies | Mercola's website has called microwave ovens dangerous, claiming both that they emit dangerous radiation and that microwaving food alters its chemistry. |
| 00:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | ffffffff |
| 00:33.50 | Shirik | ffs |
| 00:33.56 | Shirik | choose literally any other site |
| 00:34.00 | Shirik | you will find the same data |
| 00:34.21 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not making fun of you for picking him, i'm just floored |
| 00:34.22 | Mr_Rabies | by this guy |
| 00:34.25 | Mr_Rabies | Mercola has questioned whether HIV is the cause of AIDS. He says that the manifestations of AIDS (including opportunistic infections and death) may be the result of "psychological stress" brought on by the belief that HIV is harmful. |
| 00:34.36 | Shirik | it doesn't change the facts - for example, acetaminophen is the #1 cause of acute liver failure, or that the FDA has said that taking just a second dose of tylenol can harm your liver |
| 00:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | you already said it was crap before i looked him up |
| 00:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | i was just like "oh hey natural health lets see how much of a nutter butter is this guy" |
| 00:35.04 | Mr_Rabies | turns out he owns the peanut farm |
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| 00:36.56 | Primer | phelps: I'm trying to get OBS connected to my rtmp server, but I'm failing. It seemed so simple. I have logging setup in the publish script, but it's never being hit. I can see packets coming to port 1935 using tcpdump, but no other debug info. Thoughts? |
| 00:37.14 | Primer | Nothing in the nginx log either |
| 00:39.05 | Primer | seems OBS doesn't like rtmp://10.1.1.13/live/STUFF_HERE |
| 00:40.16 | phelps | Primer, |
| 00:40.34 | Primer | guessing I need name/key |
| 00:40.47 | phelps | rtmp server gets rtmp://10.1.1.13/live |
| 00:40.57 | phelps | key gets stream1?key=123 |
| 00:41.27 | Primer | yay, it works |
| 00:41.37 | Primer | http://home.ceregatti.org/ |
| 00:41.45 | Primer | that's dynamically generated |
| 00:41.56 | Primer | but I'm not sure how wow's gonna look at 1920x1080 |
| 00:42.07 | Primer | wtf, the res is wrong |
| 00:42.14 | Primer | that's supposed to be dynamic too |
| 00:43.03 | Primer | doh, seems it's still hard coded elsewhere |
| 00:43.44 | Primer | plus I haven't added any way to remove a stream from the list once it stops |
| 00:47.53 | Primer | ok, refresh http://home.ceregatti.org/ |
| 00:48.23 | Primer | heh, seems I need to make it smaller when it's 1920x1080 |
| 00:49.54 | Primer | done |
| 00:50.45 | Primer | I made it so that if the width is > 1000, both width and height are cut in half |
| 00:51.53 | Primer | phelps: care to give it a quick test? |
| 00:52.17 | phelps | both are working |
| 00:52.24 | Primer | Just let me know if both are working? The root shows 2 streams, and when you pick a stream, you have the choice to try the HTML version |
| 00:58.25 | phelps | both streams and formats |
| 00:58.25 | Primer | lovely |
| 00:58.25 | Primer | thanks |
| 01:00.03 | Primer | phelps: I presume there's an on_something that triggers when a stream disconnects? |
| 01:00.18 | phelps | on_publish_done |
| 01:19.27 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/1427933994533.webm |
| 01:19.48 | phelps | that was a risky click karl_w_w |
| 01:25.19 | Primer | ok, got it totally working |
| 01:25.56 | karl_w_w | besieged http://i.4cdn.org/b/1427935154260.webm |
| 01:26.53 | kd3 | one of my favorite besiege weapons: http://i.imgur.com/QtT0gPE.gifv |
| 01:27.37 | Neffi | lol wat |
| 01:27.51 | kd3 | it's a jack-in-the-box |
| 01:28.07 | Neffi | har har |
| 02:06.19 | Torhal | transforms Semlar into the Reverse Neffi. |
| 02:06.32 | Torhal | goes to bed. |
| 02:06.39 | Semlar | follows |
| 02:18.13 | karl_w_w | Semlar wasn't already the reverse Neffi? |
| 02:18.22 | Semlar | opposites attract |
| 02:29.13 | kd3 | heh http://www.twitch.tv/darude |
| 02:48.47 | Ressy | sandstorm.. awesome |
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| 02:49.01 | kd3 | not that it's ever anything else on twitch |
| 02:49.39 | Dagmar | Well, since they banned that blonde girl, anyway |
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| 03:06.01 | pompy | Dagmar: blondiewondie? |
| 03:10.56 | Dagmar | Ginger Banks |
| 03:11.46 | Dagmar | While I may be a fan of boobies, I would really rather known in advance they're about to be on my screen |
| 03:17.57 | Semlar | i prefer to be surprised |
| 03:32.03 | Dagmar | Yeah well, your girlfriend wasn't over at the time |
| 03:32.16 | Neffi | you don't know that |
| 03:32.17 | Dagmar | "Whatcha doing?" "Looking into this LoL thing" |
| 03:32.32 | Dagmar | "Why is there a naked girl on the screen then/" |
| 03:32.55 | Dagmar | I wasn't even watching that monitor when she whipped 'em out. lol |
| 03:33.08 | pompy | lol |
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| 03:45.27 | mckenziemc | lol LoL |
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| 05:45.56 | karl_w_w | my PC has this 1 temperature reading called aux which is higher than everything else, wildly variable and doesn't seem to respond to fan speed changes |
| 05:49.02 | Shirik | it doesn't have to be a temperature |
| 05:49.12 | Shirik | I assume you're using some third party tool to read them? |
| 05:49.38 | Shirik | a lot of this stuff is proprietary so they do their best to figure out how to read it, but sometimes it's wrong |
| 05:49.42 | Shirik | it's not uncommon |
| 05:50.06 | karl_w_w | speedfan and open hardware monitor agree on it |
| 05:54.22 | karl_w_w | i guess it's just a meaningles snumber |
| 05:54.31 | karl_w_w | other people have had weird things from it |
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| 07:23.04 | plaw | tackle hugs Shirik |
| 07:23.46 | plaw | karl_w_w: could be some bus thing that takes a 3rd party sensor and nothing's plugged in so it's just reading noise |
| 07:25.08 | karl_w_w | i always miss out on all these parties |
| 07:31.54 | phelps | http://weather.phelps.io/ |
| 08:39.23 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: or it's short for "faux" |
| 08:39.37 | karl_w_w | huh? |
| 08:39.41 | karl_w_w | oh |
| 08:39.43 | zenzelezz | the aux temp |
| 08:39.52 | karl_w_w | it seems unlikely :P |
| 08:40.08 | zenzelezz | I know it's hours old, but this channel is so dead at this time of day it's not even a quarter of the way up my screen |
| 08:40.57 | karl_w_w | maybe its some kind of running average |
| 08:41.31 | karl_w_w | cos it's not so unruly that it's not connected to anything |
| 08:42.05 | zenzelezz | I never saw it used for anything, but also didn't bother looking it up :D |
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| 09:02.14 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 09:02.19 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 09:02.19 | bluspacecow | ~d3alert |
| 09:02.19 | purl | http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) or http://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 09:02.27 | bluspacecow | ~torhalalert |
| 09:02.42 | bluspacecow | ~hearthstonealert |
| 09:02.54 | bluspacecow | ~hotalert |
| 09:03.00 | bluspacecow | purl am i hot ? |
| 09:03.01 | plaw | tackle hugs bluspacecow |
| 09:03.15 | bluspacecow | :D |
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| 09:58.44 | bluspacecow | @karl_w_w ty |
| 09:58.56 | bluspacecow | sorry big head mode in heroes is amusing :P |
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| 11:46.27 | Fisker | foxlit my friend |
| 11:51.45 | Shirik | There is a seeing eye dog on my plane o.o |
| 11:57.24 | karl_w_w | hah, lucy lawless in shield |
| 12:01.54 | Torhal | karl_w_w: Old. |
| 12:01.57 | Torhal | :D |
| 12:02.03 | Fisker | Torhal young |
| 12:02.14 | Torhal | shrinks Fisker. |
| 12:02.45 | Fisker | Hi |
| 12:03.01 | Fisker | I was doing the garona quest |
| 12:04.10 | zenzelezz | Shirik: what's o.o about that? Visually impaired people travel too |
| 12:04.45 | Fisker | I don't know what a seeing eye dog is |
| 12:04.57 | zenzelezz | "blindehund" in Norwegian |
| 12:05.15 | Fisker | I'm not Norwegian |
| 12:05.25 | Shirik | Zenzelezz I just didn't think I'd see someone do it alone like he is |
| 12:05.27 | Fisker | And even if that was the case that name doesn't even make sense |
| 12:05.32 | zenzelezz | Danish tends to be close enough |
| 12:05.48 | zenzelezz | but "blind dog"; the ones that help guide blind/strongly visually impaired people |
| 12:06.17 | Fisker | It's not blind dog |
| 12:06.25 | Fisker | It's dog for the blind |
| 12:06.33 | Fisker | And we use another term |
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| 12:07.09 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, fiskerdin. |
| 12:07.28 | zenzelezz | Fisker: I think we officially use a different term too, but colloquially we use that name. What do you guys call it? |
| 12:07.32 | zenzelezz | ohai peppy |
| 12:07.47 | Fisker | Førerhund |
| 12:08.00 | zenzelezz | that sounds about right, yeah |
| 12:10.34 | Shirik | There is a slash through your o |
| 12:10.47 | Shirik | You should use the backspace key not cross it out |
| 12:11.18 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 12:11.24 | Fisker | I might physically harm you |
| 12:11.26 | Shirik | Hey fisker |
| 12:11.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 12:11.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:11.40 | Shirik | You wouldn't kill me though |
| 12:11.44 | zenzelezz | Shirik: then drop the horizontal bar on your T; it has much the same effect |
| 12:12.32 | Lopeppeppy | ZENZELEZZ! All hail Z! |
| 12:13.12 | zenzelezz | everything okay with your ordeal? Sounded like you've had "fun" recently |
| 12:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | I still can't eat solid food! But my zombie bone is integrating nicely and you can hardly tell someone drilled a hole in my head a week ago! :) |
| 12:18.25 | zenzelezz | that's good then |
| 12:21.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Except for the retainer making it hard to eat/sleep, all the drama is over and just waiting to heal a while. |
| 12:32.48 | bluspacecow | oh2u Lopeppeppy |
| 12:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. |
| 12:33.11 | bluspacecow | âCall Pet card text now reads, âHello, this is dog.â |
| 12:33.21 | bluspacecow | *giggle snorts at Hearthstone April Fools path notes* |
| 12:33.47 | phelps | i got a pretty good laugh at the wow patch notes |
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| 12:40.31 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/RJOByaM.jpg |
| 12:40.39 | karl_w_w | glorius PC master race :P |
| 12:40.40 | Fisker | Kind of the oldest joke bluspacecow |
| 12:41.12 | bluspacecow | you never change Sir Fisker |
| 12:41.14 | bluspacecow | the Disker |
| 12:41.25 | Fisker | What do you mean? |
| 12:42.18 | karl_w_w | you're a disker! |
| 12:45.59 | bluspacecow | if Fisker had a hearthstone card its flavor text would be "old" |
| 12:48.17 | Fisker | That's not what I was on about bluspacecow |
| 12:48.36 | bluspacecow | what are you on about ? what would your flavor text be ? |
| 12:48.55 | bluspacecow | im confused. ignore me :P |
| 12:50.12 | Fisker | The reference isn't funny when it's stolen |
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| 13:25.52 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 13:25.53 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 13:25.53 | mckenziemc | refers Fisker to a mental institution. |
| 13:26.01 | bluspacecow | ~d3alert |
| 13:26.01 | purl | http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) or http://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 13:26.31 | mckenziemc | you forgot ~bluspacecowalert |
| 13:26.44 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 16:25.03 | Amarande | hmm, WoW is patching |
| 16:25.12 | Amarande | I thought that 6.1.4 patch notes thing was an April Fools joke |
| 16:25.16 | Amarande | and I'm pretty sure I already had 6.1.2 |
| 16:25.30 | Amarande | or is there a real 6.1.4 where I haven't actually seen the notes? |
| 16:26.08 | Semlar | those weren't a joke |
| 16:26.09 | znf | hotfix |
| 16:26.23 | fewyn | it's one of those fast patch things |
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| 16:29.28 | Torhal | Simca: Done with Astrolabe? |
| 16:30.42 | Simca | Torhal: yeah, you can go ahead and set Archy to use the fork that jnwhiteh made. should work better than current version |
| 16:31.21 | Torhal | Good deal! |
| 16:49.26 | Ressy | There was a patch yesterday to fix char names and such |
| 16:49.42 | Ressy | And kd3's email shows they fixed some API with the wow tokens |
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| 17:12.15 | VIad | hmm, so we are going away from Astrolabe? |
| 17:18.39 | Torhal | VIad: https://github.com/jnwhiteh/astrolabe |
| 17:19.09 | VIad | aha so jnwhiteh is now keeping it updated? |
| 17:22.24 | Torhal | And Simca, and someone else. |
| 17:26.06 | Semlar | not semlar |
| 17:42.49 | Torhal | Of course not Semlar; that dude does literally nothing. |
| 17:48.42 | VIad | chumbawamba |
| 17:48.46 | VIad | amusing name |
| 17:51.25 | VIad | ^_^ http://www.wowhead.com/mission=73#comments |
| 18:05.05 | Amarande | yay, Account Status ACTIVE |
| 18:05.36 | karl_w_w | activates Amarande |
| 18:05.47 | Industrial | deactivates Fisker |
| 18:06.26 | Kalroth | flips the Fisker-switch back on |
| 18:06.34 | Industrial | What is everyone playing these days (except wow)? |
| 18:06.41 | Kalroth | pillars |
| 18:06.55 | Industrial | I'm playing Elder Scrolls Online |
| 18:06.59 | Amarande | I have about a week or so left of subscription time on Old Republic before that goes back to preferred |
| 18:07.12 | Industrial | which is F2P now |
| 18:07.15 | Amarande | and really Bioware ... you should have called it Old Empire |
| 18:07.22 | Amarande | because Empire side is better side :) |
| 18:07.23 | Kalroth | did they switch to f2p yet? |
| 18:07.28 | Industrial | =) |
| 18:07.31 | Industrial | yes |
| 18:07.43 | Industrial | err |
| 18:07.57 | Amarande | I'm surprised how disappointingly short the Shadow of Revan expansion was :( |
| 18:08.27 | Amarande | seriously, the SoR prequel storyline (which I'm pretty sure came out before the xpac, since it's all level 55 content) is longer than the expansion storyline itself |
| 18:08.55 | Amarande | once I finally got through the intro flashpoints and went to Rishi I pretty much finished the whole thing in a day |
| 18:09.11 | Primer | I'm not surprised |
| 18:09.18 | Amarande | Primer: heh, yeah, it is a Bioware expansion pack |
| 18:09.24 | Amarande | I finished Dragon Age Awakening in a day too |
| 18:09.33 | Amarande | (mind you, that was a day where I didn't go to sleep till 10AM the next morning, but ...) |
| 18:10.08 | Amarande | Even Makeb was longer, though. |
| 18:10.14 | Amarande | Not that that was a good thing, because Makeb sucked. :P |
| 18:10.40 | Amarande | At least Rishi and Yavin 4 were fun, they were just too short :( |
| 18:13.18 | Primer | I only ever played the original release up to 1.2 |
| 18:14.01 | Primer | I recall doing the new OP for like 2 weeks, then I decided the end-game sucked and quit and never went back |
| 18:14.54 | Amarande | I find the raid prep phase is incredibly numbing in TOR, more than in any other MMO I've played :( |
| 18:15.46 | Amarande | in FFXIV it is not bad at all because just doing the storyline takes care of a lot of the prep, and if you rerun Castrum/Praetorium/Turn 2 (which all go really quick) you gain soldiery fast enough to catch up reasonably on gear real fast |
| 18:16.09 | Amarande | (since the maximum ilvl requirement for anything that's not Coil, as far as I'm aware, is 95 for Shiva Extreme, and soldiery tokens give ilvl 100 gear) |
| 18:16.30 | Amarande | in WoW it mainly depends on whether the current expansion's max level dungeons are fun or boring :) |
| 18:17.42 | Amarande | in TOR, the interphase is mind-numbingly long though, because it would take countless millions of creds to upgrade through buying crafted mods, you have the Augment money grind in any case (way way way worse than WoW enchants, even things like the 8000g jade whatever it was from MoP), and flashpoint queues are terrible for all classes pretty much |
| 18:18.07 | Amarande | and that's even despite the fact that TOR at least has a lot less of the gearism going on than is seen in WoW |
| 18:18.24 | Amarande | (basically, I put it as, if TOR were WoW, you'd be being asked to have i198 gear for story mode ops) |
| 18:19.08 | Amarande | And LOTRO I'm not sure about, because I've never actually managed to hit a level cap in LOTRO while it was still current :P |
| 18:19.46 | Semlar | deactivates torhal |
| 18:20.27 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i helped someone at some point so that makes me a contributor |
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| 18:39.51 | Torhal | disarticulates Semlar. |
| 18:40.09 | Kalroth | rude |
| 18:40.16 | Semlar | yeah, rude |
| 18:41.08 | Kalroth | if you're doing to dis him, couldn't you at least disseminate him |
| 18:42.04 | Torhal | But what if I wanted to disenfranchise him? |
| 18:42.26 | Semlar | i'm right here |
| 18:42.32 | Kalroth | it'd still be better than disowning him |
| 18:42.52 | Torhal | What if I wanted to disambiguate him? |
| 18:43.09 | Kalroth | that wouldn't be a disaster |
| 18:43.50 | Kalroth | we mean no disrespect, Semlar |
| 18:44.09 | Kalroth | by putting you on display like this |
| 18:44.21 | Semlar | stop dissing me |
| 18:44.41 | Kalroth | dispite what you think, you're dispersible! |
| 18:45.13 | Kalroth | dismounts this discussion before Semlar gets too dismayed |
| 18:50.15 | Stanzilla | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rJlo520f95g/VR18BdBmwOI/AAAAAAAAWo8/1OwU3xYg8jM/w506-h519/02.04.15%2B-%2B1 |
| 18:51.16 | Fisker | Doesn't work very well though Stanzilla |
| 18:51.27 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 18:51.28 | Torhal | disparages Semlar. Dispassionately. |
| 18:53.32 | Semlar | :( |
| 18:56.10 | znf | Semlar, how's LazyPlates going? |
| 18:56.30 | Semlar | i'm busy doing math |
| 18:56.40 | znf | cool story |
| 18:57.33 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.53 | Semlar | now i'm just making it more useful |
| 19:05.48 | znf | Is a PCIe 16x slot technically the same as 4 x4 slots? |
| 19:06.13 | znf | I mean, if given the technical possibility of fitting 4 devices in a x16 slot, would it be possible for them to actually function? |
| 19:07.50 | Amarande | znf: possibly, possibly not |
| 19:07.55 | Amarande | keep in mind that lanes are independent of power |
| 19:08.00 | Kalroth | znf: http://amfeltec.com/products/flexible-x4-pci-express-4-way-splitter/ like this? |
| 19:08.20 | znf | Kalroth, yes. cool. |
| 19:08.31 | Amarande | every PCI-E slot provides the same electrical capacity, regardless of how many data lanes it has |
| 19:08.34 | Kalroth | and power can be external, like most GPUs already are |
| 19:08.53 | znf | I was looking at this: http://www.tbsdtv.com/products/images/tbs2950/tbs2950_8.jpg |
| 19:08.58 | znf | and couldn't figure out how they do it |
| 19:09.08 | Kalroth | PCIe supplies up to 75W only, but the card doesn't have to draw it from the slot |
| 19:09.14 | znf | just like USB |
| 19:09.23 | znf | you can supply the power from anywhere else |
| 19:09.26 | Kalroth | yup |
| 19:09.56 | znf | for future references: even if you supply 5V from the PSU, your stupid device will still only draw 250mA, even if technically it can draw more. |
| 19:10.07 | Kalroth | i had a scryptcoin mining setup with 4 GPUs and none of them drew power from the PCI slot |
| 19:10.27 | Primer | znf: Are those for video feeds? |
| 19:10.39 | Kalroth | tv tuners, Primer |
| 19:10.40 | znf | Primer, yes. DVB tuners |
| 19:10.53 | Primer | For OTA? |
| 19:11.01 | Kalroth | you can get boxes with up to like 8 tuners |
| 19:11.02 | znf | Depends. It can fit DVB-C/S/S2/C |
| 19:11.13 | Kalroth | cable, satellite or air |
| 19:11.18 | znf | and T |
| 19:11.18 | znf | :P |
| 19:11.24 | Primer | well, most cable is encrypted |
| 19:11.32 | Primer | I imagine most satellite is too |
| 19:11.35 | znf | Most cable is encrypted rather simplistic :D |
| 19:11.37 | Kalroth | sure, you can add a card to the tuner |
| 19:11.52 | Kalroth | my tvtuner got two card slots |
| 19:12.03 | znf | I just have /usr/local/bin/oscam :P |
| 19:12.05 | mikma | http://www.break.com/video/the-most-insane-fight-scene-in-movie-history-2840074 |
| 19:12.50 | Primer | my security camera machine has a PCI tuner card |
| 19:13.07 | Primer | and I need to get another one |
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| 19:13.30 | znf | But they don't seem to make quad dvb-c tuners :( |
| 19:13.32 | znf | only dvb-s2 |
| 19:13.44 | Kalroth | znf: you can just put in multiple tuners, silly! |
| 19:13.51 | znf | Kalroth, 4x4 is more than 4x2 :D |
| 19:14.19 | znf | Looking at this: http://www.tbsdtv.com/products/moi-pro-amd.html |
| 19:15.04 | Kalroth | usb tuners works fine too |
| 19:15.25 | znf | but they're clunky |
| 19:15.43 | znf | and probe to "who the hell tripped over the cable?" |
| 19:15.47 | znf | prone* |
| 19:17.23 | znf | Interesting little box, though. Too bad we gave up on our efforts to provide IPTV |
| 19:19.03 | Kalroth | TV is dead anyways, netflix'ish is the future |
| 19:19.25 | Kalroth | watching TV without ads is like 100000000 better |
| 19:20.33 | znf | TIL: ISDB-T |
| 19:21.03 | znf | pfft http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Digital_broadcast_standards.svg |
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| 21:58.40 | phelps | Primer, |
| 21:58.46 | Primer | sup |
| 21:59.02 | phelps | Primer, you could stream each came to its own ingest, combine them from rtmp source on the master |
| 21:59.15 | Primer | you lost me |
| 21:59.25 | phelps | cam * |
| 21:59.34 | phelps | stream each cam to its own live/cam1 live/cam2 |
| 21:59.48 | phelps | so you have split video files for each cam when recording |
| 21:59.59 | Primer | not a bad idea |
| 22:00.05 | phelps | but you can combine them on your mosaic from the already existing streams |
| 22:00.14 | Primer | since moving to ffmepg, I noticed that the load on the machine hovers at about 3.5 |
| 22:00.22 | Primer | whereas with vlc it was never over 1.5 |
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| 22:00.45 | phelps | well, you're running both sides of it as well |
| 22:00.51 | Primer | TOO LATE, RESSY! WE HAVE YOUR IP NOW!! |
| 22:01.13 | phelps | i got back pocket shells, fire up my botnet |
| 22:01.26 | Primer | DDoS incoming! |
| 22:01.36 | phelps | idk about D DoS |
| 22:01.43 | phelps | maybe DoS, not much D tho |
| 22:01.49 | Primer | Anyone remember teardrop? |
| 22:01.59 | phelps | that sick song from house |
| 22:02.10 | Primer | The TCP fragmentation bug that affected pretty much every OS on the planet |
| 22:02.19 | Primer | it'd just crash your machine |
| 22:02.31 | Primer | I could send one packet and bam, your box was toast |
| 22:02.43 | Primer | this was back in 1997 |
| 22:02.45 | phelps | lol |
| 22:03.03 | phelps | being born in 1990, makes dates easy |
| 22:03.14 | phelps | date -> age directly |
| 22:03.17 | Primer | I went to comdex that year, when teardrop was still mostly unpatched (except for pretty much every open source kernel) |
| 22:03.23 | Ressy | Primer: Login looked to be lagging. :\ |
| 22:03.35 | Ressy | I have a script that logs in & opens my channels. |
| 22:03.53 | phelps | Primer, i guess you can see how simple making a site like Twitch.tv would be using this |
| 22:04.19 | phelps | Primer, the hard part is getting HLS fragments out to your CDN before they expire, about 15 seconds |
| 22:04.48 | Primer | phelps: indeed. I'm thinking about creating a simple service of this for friends |
| 22:05.04 | Primer | And hoping it'll blossom into something I can sell to Amazon for $1B |
| 22:05.06 | phelps | I've got one pretty much done, no good domain or server for it |
| 22:05.13 | Primer | heck, I'd settle for $10M |
| 22:05.26 | phelps | they just bought Twitch, i think they're ok |
| 22:05.29 | Primer | Well, you can always use AWS :) |
| 22:05.36 | phelps | AWS is expensive as fuck |
| 22:05.48 | Primer | but it's so damn easy to manage |
| 22:05.57 | phelps | idk |
| 22:06.05 | Primer | imagine the cost of buying hardware up front |
| 22:06.08 | Primer | that cost is HUGE |
| 22:06.25 | phelps | I've priced amazon for streaming with transcoding |
| 22:06.41 | phelps | since for REAL services youd need to transcode down |
| 22:06.46 | Primer | They have CUDA instances, you know |
| 22:06.54 | phelps | a stream would need to make $200 per month to bring profit |
| 22:06.57 | Primer | If there's a way to farm that to GPU, you're set |
| 22:07.04 | phelps | not really |
| 22:07.17 | phelps | ffmpeg can use CUDA but it doesn't get that much faster |
| 22:07.31 | Primer | You'd think that'd be ideal for transcoding |
| 22:07.36 | Primer | vs. CPU, that is |
| 22:07.38 | phelps | sure but the price |
| 22:08.26 | phelps | using their APIs built for this, each stream (6 hours a day, 5 days a week) costs $200/m |
| 22:08.42 | phelps | i think we did 250 viewers |
| 22:08.54 | phelps | so pretty damn lax, and it was still crazy expensive |
| 22:09.32 | phelps | Primer, this was purchased and colo |
| 22:09.36 | phelps | colo'd https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19145606/0723141947.jpg |
| 22:09.45 | phelps | that over Amazon |
| 22:10.10 | Primer | is that fiber channel or SATA? |
| 22:10.16 | phelps | SATA |
| 22:10.33 | phelps | i belive it was RAID 10 or RAID 1+0 |
| 22:10.40 | phelps | i didn't set it up |
| 22:10.56 | phelps | 0+1 |
| 22:11.16 | phelps | yeah, pretty sure it was 0+1 |
| 22:11.45 | phelps | i have no idea, it was setup for speed though |
| 22:12.03 | Primer | I'm not sure I could ever run real hardware ever again, unless it was to setup a cloud (i.e. openstack) |
| 22:12.19 | phelps | that was a cloud, used XenServer |
| 22:12.45 | phelps | there was a mirror of that server but we never shipped it |
| 22:12.48 | Primer | but then you're still talking big up front costs |
| 22:12.57 | phelps | oh for sure, that server was over $10k |
| 22:13.13 | phelps | the CPUs where almost 3k EACH |
| 22:13.21 | phelps | all bitcoins |
| 22:14.17 | phelps | the guy was an overall douche about the project, took too much credit for work he just didn't do, so I left the project |
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| 22:15.34 | Primer | I wonder how hitbox.tv is doing |
| 22:15.52 | phelps | its terrible to use |
| 22:16.03 | Primer | I remember people bitching about the sale of twitch and going "I will never use twitch again! Boycott twitch!! Use hitbox!!" |
| 22:16.11 | Primer | So I tried it, and it sucked, and I went back to twitch |
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| 22:16.20 | Amarande | say, you know what just occurred to me about wow's future, given that Blizzard seems to want to accelerate the expansion cycle? |
| 22:16.46 | Amarande | especially since you more or less are compelled to buy expansions to continue playing meaningfully anyway, why doesn't Blizzard just raise the sub price a few bucks a month and stop charging for the xpacks? :) |
| 22:16.54 | kd3 | blizz has wanted to accelerate the expansion cycle since burning crusade |
| 22:16.54 | Amarande | you know, basically bake the xpac costs into the subscription itself |
| 22:16.56 | kd3 | they have yet to deliver |
| 22:17.21 | phelps | $15/m is already expensive |
| 22:17.27 | kd3 | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Expansion#How_long_until_the_next_expansion.3F |
| 22:17.32 | Amarande | it'd probably save them trouble on the logistical end too, since then there's no need to track what accounts have what xpac level |
| 22:17.42 | Fisker | jumps in front of kd3 |
| 22:17.49 | kd3 | there are only two expansion levels... mists and warlords |
| 22:17.57 | Mr_Rabies | the answer is that they want to make $50/year from each customer ontop of subscriptions |
| 22:18.04 | Amarande | phelps: with the token, some folks are already going to be paying 20/month |
| 22:18.14 | Amarande | well, presumably not the same people paying, but that's how it works out effectively |
| 22:18.23 | phelps | i don't think you can really say that tho |
| 22:18.39 | kd3 | I've got enough gold. I'm probably never paying $15/mo again |
| 22:18.42 | phelps | those people aren't buying game time, they're buying gold |
| 22:18.42 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: just bump the sub to 20 a month whether you're buying a token or paying normally then :) |
| 22:18.57 | Amarande | phelps: yeah, but someone else is getting game time |
| 22:18.57 | phelps | you can't use the token yourself, you can't trade it to people, it can only be sold on the AH |
| 22:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure they've looked into it and the current method works better |
| 22:19.08 | Amarande | (since you can't re-trade the token, it's not like PLEX) |
| 22:19.10 | phelps | they're buying gold really |
| 22:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | since there are tons of people that buy an expansion, play for a month, and then quit again |
| 22:19.27 | Amarande | ah, they explicitly made sure you can't use it yourself, then |
| 22:19.34 | phelps | yeah |
| 22:19.36 | Amarande | I never quite thought they'd need to do that, seeing as you'd be an idiot to do so :) |
| 22:19.43 | kd3 | yup. also, if you have a token on the ah you can't buy tokens from the ah either |
| 22:19.50 | phelps | it can only be put on the AH, you can't even trade to a friend |
| 22:19.58 | Amarande | then again, there's lots of idiots on wow that have to be protected from themselves :P |
| 22:20.04 | kd3 | both token items are bop |
| 22:20.07 | Amarande | phelps: if you wanted to buy your friend gametime you would do it as a gift and pay $15 not $20 :) |
| 22:20.29 | phelps | yeah, but you can't really look at it in terms of gametime for $20 |
| 22:20.47 | Amarande | and yeah, it's an entirely different thing from PLEX, which is CCP basically being magnificent bastards at making money for nothing :D |
| 22:21.02 | Amarande | (I'm not entirely sure how CREDD works by comparison, don't really know much about Wildstar) |
| 22:21.06 | kd3 | you're buying x amount of gold for $20, and a month of game time for y amount of gold |
| 22:21.13 | kd3 | credd's closer to plex than it is to the wow token |
| 22:21.14 | phelps | blizz will make a shitload of money from the game tokens, I assure you |
| 22:21.35 | Amarande | come to think of it, speaking of EVE |
| 22:21.45 | Amarande | I wonder what percentage of PLEX purchased is ever actually redeemed |
| 22:21.51 | Amarande | compared to what just sits in cargo holds and/or gets destroyed |
| 22:22.08 | phelps | i want to like EVE, its just too steep of a learning curve |
| 22:22.20 | Primer | phelps: so I read another one of the articles written by the OBS dude that wrote the nginx rtmp streaming article, one about using DWM to do monitor capture with aero enabled. Thing is, I have 3 monitors, and it seems there's no way to pick a specific one. I don't suppose you know anything about that? Like, how to pick a different monitor using DWM monitor capture? |
| 22:22.40 | Amarande | phelps: yeah EVE looks neat but I'm the kind of player who wants to be able to show off my shinies and not have to hide them in a super secure vault instead to not be an idiot :( |
| 22:22.50 | Amarande | plus I'm not that great with FFA PVP :| |
| 22:22.51 | Primer | because running OBS without disabling aero is great |
| 22:23.10 | Amarande | as I've learned with such matters as the Gurubashi Arena and the time I tried leveling on Illidan |
| 22:23.23 | Amarande | though those might really be more a matter of having been hopelessly outgunned on gear than they were me being a bad player |
| 22:23.43 | phelps | Primer, don't think its possible |
| 22:23.45 | Amarande | I fought the good fight a lot when I was trying the pvp server leveling thing, but with everyone else in looms and such the numbers just weren't in my favour |
| 22:24.01 | phelps | Primer, but do this, capture monitor and use the NVENC codec, it'll pull right from the gfx card |
| 22:24.01 | Amarande | (and as a monk, it was basically just a raw numbers matchup, not much I could do strategically ...) |
| 22:24.26 | Amarande | CRZ, I think, is starting to kill off the old glory servers |
| 22:24.53 | phelps | Primer, http://i.imgur.com/k6Laxl9.png |
| 22:25.00 | Primer | phelps: NVENC looks like shit |
| 22:25.07 | phelps | not for regular desktop stuff |
| 22:25.13 | phelps | where you'd need monitor capture |
| 22:25.27 | phelps | the main reason is the 0 CPU usage for it |
| 22:25.31 | Primer | I just want a scene where I toggle to one of my displays |
| 22:25.35 | Amarande | part of the reason that servers like Illidan could rise to greatness so readily is that you didn't really have to worry about PvP while leveling, I think |
| 22:25.48 | Amarande | (because Alliance native to Illy are about as common as left-wing NRA members ... heh) |
| 22:25.51 | phelps | Primer, regular monitor capture works fine for me |
| 22:26.08 | Primer | but you disable aero? |
| 22:26.24 | phelps | doesn't make a difference |
| 22:26.39 | Amarande | soo ... with the new looms on account thing |
| 22:26.50 | Primer | Well, it's said that regular monitor capture with aero enabled with cause much FPS loss in the game |
| 22:27.00 | Primer | because that's what I'm streaming...a gam |
| 22:27.01 | Primer | e |
| 22:27.02 | Amarande | do I actually have to figure out which one of my kajillion characters actually originally had a given loom and log onto that specific toon in order to get it registered |
| 22:27.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a huge fan of shadowplay after getting a video card capable of it |
| 22:27.07 | Primer | Not just a desktop |
| 22:27.13 | kd3 | yes amarande |
| 22:27.20 | kd3 | just log in, wait a second, log back out |
| 22:27.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's not the crispest capture but it is truly lag-free |
| 22:27.23 | kd3 | you've got at most 50 |
| 22:27.26 | Primer | pretty sure shadowplay is just nvenc |
| 22:27.33 | Amarande | bleh, who did I put the 2H pvp sword on |
| 22:27.33 | Primer | which looks like shit for games |
| 22:27.51 | phelps | http://stream.phelps.io/ |
| 22:28.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's a little softer than i'd like but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaHFWo6179E here's some shadowplay capture |
| 22:28.20 | Amarande | Shadowplay ... that name always makes me think of the Joy Division song. :) |
| 22:28.38 | phelps | Primer, this is new |
| 22:28.43 | phelps | since the last update really |
| 22:28.43 | Primer | phelps: do that while running a game |
| 22:28.57 | Primer | and using the old monitor capture with aero |
| 22:31.12 | phelps | Primer, DWM is much nicer, yeah |
| 22:31.35 | Primer | yeah, I could tell the difference from watching your stream |
| 22:31.45 | Primer | it's just that you can't select which monitor to capture |
| 22:31.57 | Primer | at least, I haven't been able to determine how to do that |
| 22:32.03 | Primer | because I have 3x27" |
| 22:32.12 | phelps | maybe you can recompile it with the right monitor |
| 22:32.13 | Primer | and my game is already in the mail one |
| 22:32.22 | Primer | s/mail/main/ |
| 22:34.02 | Primer | your stream full screened looks like something happening on my local machine |
| 22:35.05 | Primer | /monitor |
| 22:37.40 | Primer | phelps: perhaps try #obs? :) |
| 22:39.36 | Primer | phelp: FYI, you're still streaming that |
| 22:39.44 | Primer | that other IRC channel, that is |
| 22:39.52 | phelps | oops, idc |
| 22:40.06 | Primer | Just making sure you knew |
| 22:40.10 | phelps | Primer, there might be 2 people in that channel who are smart enough to help |
| 22:40.24 | Primer | I'm sure my wife's walked behind me in her underwear a few times while I was streaming |
| 22:40.32 | Primer | that's why I've defaulted to leaving the camera off |
| 22:47.08 | phelps | Primer, IconicLivePreview |
| 22:47.14 | phelps | idk if its iconic |
| 22:47.23 | phelps | its neat, but thats a stretch |
| 22:47.56 | phelps | Primer, you can restrict playing just as easily as publishing |
| 22:48.27 | phelps | on_play event fires only with rtmp streams, you can't get the event for HLS or DASH |
| 22:49.51 | Primer | You've lost me once again |
| 22:51.11 | phelps | when you play the stream from flash, it plays using RTMP |
| 22:51.22 | phelps | you can get on_ events for that, like on_play |
| 22:51.36 | phelps | if you return anything but 200 or 300 status code, you can stop the stream from playing |
| 22:51.53 | phelps | just like with on_publish to stop anyone from publishing |
| 22:52.54 | Primer | Well, shit like that will come later...if I ever pursue this further than what I've already done |
| 22:55.55 | phelps | Primer, cant see anything directly in the source |
| 22:56.03 | phelps | im not that great with C++ either |
| 22:56.47 | znf | iptables -I INPUT -s <ip> ... |
| 22:56.49 | znf | fuck auth :D |
| 22:57.00 | Primer | One would presume the API has such a feature. I would not expect it to be in the source, considering it's not a feature I've seen in the interface |
| 22:57.35 | phelps | you'd think the ms docs would have something but it doesn't |
| 22:57.57 | phelps | it seems like a misuse of the API to begin with |
| 22:57.58 | Primer | s/the source/the OBS source/ |
| 22:59.00 | phelps | its what makes the preview windows work, so its designed to capture windows, not the entire display |
| 22:59.19 | phelps | they're probably asking for the window of explorer.exe or something |
| 23:00.33 | Primer | except for me that'd be a 5760x1080 window |
| 23:01.00 | Primer | 3x1920x1080 |
| 23:01.32 | Primer | but it's most definitely only grabbing the "main" display, in my case, the middle one |
| 23:02.23 | phelps | is it your primary dvi port on your gfx cards |
| 23:02.33 | phelps | the one with the + in it |
| 23:02.48 | phelps | thats the "primary" display |
| 23:03.35 | phelps | it'll be the one bios posts onto as well |
| 23:03.51 | Primer | no |
| 23:03.58 | Primer | it's what I decide is the middle one in the config |
| 23:04.05 | Primer | the one that gets the task bar |
| 23:04.19 | Primer | besides, the + is the analog part of a DVI-I |
| 23:04.34 | Primer | and all my shit here is digital |
| 23:04.57 | Primer | and IIRC, one of the ports on this card is DVI-D |
| 23:05.01 | Primer | which means it has no analog |
| 23:05.10 | phelps | well yeah, but usually that port is the primary |
| 23:05.14 | phelps | idk how you'd tell without that |
| 23:05.23 | phelps | the manual |
| 23:05.23 | Primer | all that decides is where the boot screen goes |
| 23:05.28 | Primer | after that it's all up to the driver |
| 23:05.46 | phelps | well, if it was selecting that display, it'd be something to do with hardware |
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| 23:06.11 | phelps | there isn't any way to select a display because this API isn't designed for that |
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