| 00:00.07 | Semlar | hello |
| 00:00.27 | mikma | is new better call saul out yet? |
| 00:00.44 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 00:01.27 | Stanzilla | yes mikma |
| 00:01.34 | Stanzilla | yesterday |
| 00:02.15 | mikma | but i hope it's out in europe netflix also |
| 00:04.04 | mikma | oh yes, yes yes. s1e8, Rico |
| 00:10.22 | mikma | this may be the best spinoff evah |
| 00:15.57 | Semlar | well, my addon that shows what type of trader is in the garrison is wrong today |
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| 00:20.01 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_032515_021939.jpg |
| 00:20.03 | kullervo | fuck this boss |
| 00:20.08 | kullervo | doesn't want to die |
| 00:20.50 | mikma | more dps |
| 00:21.21 | kullervo | doesn't help :D |
| 00:22.34 | mikma | LeoLog |
| 00:24.11 | kullervo | best addon |
| 00:24.13 | mikma | yeah, it's bugged. wife oneshotted that boss today with a friend and no problem |
| 00:38.33 | mikma | kullervo: http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_032215_193834.jpg :D |
| 00:42.26 | mikma | kullervo: http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_031915_235030.jpg now thats a kullirvo |
| 00:45.13 | kullervo | I wasn't quite sober during either of those |
| 00:48.30 | mikma | atleast you were not naked, like finns usually are when naked. that also projects into their toons |
| 00:48.49 | kullervo | I'm only naked when I come from the sauna |
| 00:49.06 | mikma | so, pretty often then |
| 00:49.18 | kullervo | previous time when the nakednes was extended I claimed the sissik wouldn't mind be being naked so obviously nobody present shouldn't be offended either |
| 00:49.26 | kullervo | and no it's not a common occurence :| |
| 00:50.19 | kullervo | I was forced to wear pants |
| 00:50.27 | kullervo | some girl later returned my pink underwear |
| 00:51.28 | kullervo | I'm not sure if this was a positive thing or not |
| 00:52.26 | mikma | she stole your pink underwear? unacceptable. |
| 00:53.05 | kullervo | but I just said she returned it |
| 00:53.20 | kullervo | I don't much care what she did with it beforehand, I was going to wash it anyway |
| 00:53.46 | mikma | never steal a mans pink underwear. there will be consequences |
| 00:56.04 | Shirik | http://guff.com/glt-scientists-delete-hiv/20?ts_pid=2 |
| 00:56.50 | mikma | take that, stupid HIV. DELETED LOL! |
| 00:59.46 | Shirik | baleeted |
| 01:12.52 | kd3 | trolling a pregnant woman seems like a death wish... https://i.imgur.com/2pESjr3.jpg |
| 01:17.17 | mikma | kullervo: http://9gag.com/gag/ap0Re2W?ref=fb.s |
| 01:18.07 | kullervo | tbh most are pretty good |
| 01:18.11 | kullervo | especially the flying machine |
| 01:18.15 | kullervo | compared to the english version |
| 01:18.36 | mikma | i also liked the salmon snake |
| 01:19.59 | mikma | "my favorite one is Santa Claus = Christmas goat (joulupukki)" |
| 01:20.02 | mikma | haha |
| 01:30.01 | mikma | http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=7b45e0ccbe61 |
| 01:32.27 | mikma | ( http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=554_1427122292 same, but this is prolly nsfw because allahu akbar ) |
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| 02:00.05 | kullervo | yeah next reset when I've got just a little bit more gear |
| 02:00.17 | kullervo | I'll solo imperial vizier on my dk |
| 02:00.19 | kullervo | proof of concept |
| 02:07.43 | kullervo | and afaik, nobody's done this before, damn do people who claim to solo shit fail at their class |
| 02:09.18 | kullervo | sure a priest might solo the boss but a DK? IMPOSSIBRU!!! |
| 02:13.53 | mikma | -.- |
| 02:13.56 | mikma | --- |
| 02:14.05 | mikma | stupid kraps |
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| 03:44.10 | karl_w_w | http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-32036513 |
| 03:45.07 | kullervo | what a useless url |
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| 06:33.47 | Semlar | Simca: do you know what the flags in ItemDisplayInfo.dbc represent |
| 06:43.17 | karl_w_w | I have some important news for you Semlar |
| 06:43.24 | karl_w_w | you are HIV Aladeen |
| 06:43.48 | Semlar | i'm not sure about that |
| 06:44.10 | Semlar | i think you have me confused with someone else |
| 06:53.10 | karl_w_w | I think this is the world's most british website http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/ |
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| 07:08.30 | Mr_Rabies | this is the most scottish thing on the internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPu4DnKBuM [warning: loud] |
| 07:17.02 | karl_w_w | so old, rabies carrier |
| 07:17.16 | Mr_Rabies | it ages like wine |
| 07:18.34 | Simca | Semlar: tbh i didn't remember it had flags |
| 07:18.44 | Simca | lemme see |
| 07:19.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.25 | Semlar | they're identical aside from one being part of the shaman set |
| 07:19.31 | Semlar | so it's shaman-only |
| 07:20.04 | Semlar | i'm wondering what the flags can control |
| 07:21.02 | Simca | hmm |
| 07:21.13 | Simca | 192 isn't a lone flag |
| 07:21.22 | Simca | it's 64 & 128 |
| 07:21.53 | Simca | but it looks like everything with 128 is shaman shoulders (with one exception, challengepriest shoulders) |
| 07:22.18 | Simca | 64 is mostly challenge mode gear for various classes |
| 07:22.41 | Simca | 512 apparently means "my belt is fucking huge, look at this belt" |
| 07:22.44 | Semlar | do you know if the flags can potentially modify the look of an item |
| 07:23.06 | Simca | it could definitely alter the game's interpretation of it |
| 07:23.48 | Simca | oh you know, a lot of these have phys files |
| 07:23.58 | Simca | challenge mode gear, overly large belts, shaman shoulders |
| 07:24.04 | Simca | that is something they all share in common |
| 07:24.16 | Semlar | it's these http://www.wowhead.com/item=105799/fleshsmoke-chain-shoulders |
| 07:24.32 | Semlar | and i think these http://www.wowhead.com/item=99647/shoulderwraps-of-celestial-harmony |
| 07:25.07 | Semlar | they have different appearance IDs, but look the same |
| 07:25.56 | Semlar | my addon is supposed to list out all of the items you have that look the same, but since these have different appearance IDs it's causing a problem |
| 07:26.06 | Simca | I'd wager that up to 50% of the entries in itemdisplayinfo are duplicates or unused |
| 07:26.31 | Simca | let's just say when it comes to blizzard QA and blizzard databases |
| 07:26.32 | Simca | well |
| 07:26.34 | Simca | there isn't any. |
| 07:26.58 | Semlar | should i just merge every entry with the same model / texture / particle effect whatever columns |
| 07:27.05 | Semlar | and ignore the flags |
| 07:27.56 | Simca | that's probably fine |
| 07:28.30 | Simca | i'd do it and then if a user lodges a complaint then you can make an exception for that specific bit flag |
| 07:28.34 | Semlar | probably better than the way it is now anyway |
| 07:29.09 | Semlar | should decrease the size of the database too |
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| 08:04.40 | startxkdm | Isn't there a way to change your username on Curse or is it one of those, just create a new account. |
| 08:05.13 | Fisker | There used to be some kind of rename token system at some point |
| 08:06.09 | startxkdm | Eh, that's what i was expecting. >.> probably just easier to create a new account then. Thank you |
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| 08:38.42 | nevcairiel | it keeps asking me on every other curse website if i want to change my name |
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| 10:09.00 | karl_w_w | the system once got my name mixed up with some guy called karlswow |
| 10:09.02 | karl_w_w | on curse |
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| 10:09.38 | karl_w_w | so I they put a name change option on my account, but they patched it so I didn't need to |
| 10:10.16 | karl_w_w | but I'm sure there's still some curse sites out there that I haven't said 'no thanks' on, like nevcairiel |
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| 10:45.22 | mikma | https://ninite.com/ |
| 10:48.24 | karl_w_w | how's it got realVNC on there when that's not free |
| 10:49.28 | p3lim | http://xkcd.com/1503/ :D |
| 10:58.23 | mikma | karl_w_w: https://www.realvnc.com/download/open/ ? |
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| 13:52.24 | Krapsy | mikma: u r stupid |
| 13:52.55 | karl_w_w | real cross platform gaming http://www.ru-gamer.com/grand-theft-auto-5-outlander-sega-mega-drive-genesis-game-russian-release/ |
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| 14:03.18 | mikma | krapsy: why thank you, you too! |
| 14:04.31 | Krapsy | you said it first! |
| 14:05.47 | pompy1 | zenzelezz: https://www.facebook.com/ulalaunch/photos/a.138389650378.140600.131613310378/10153036006015379/?type=1 |
| 14:06.03 | pompy1 | so 4.5 hrs from now |
| 14:06.32 | jleclanche | [TOM_RUS]: ping |
| 14:06.58 | mikma | krapsy: an i mean it |
| 14:07.18 | Krapsy | rud |
| 14:07.20 | Krapsy | e |
| 14:07.51 | mikma | insert "boy" after it and you'll get a hitsong by rihanna |
| 14:08.10 | Krapsy | true |
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| 14:19.50 | pompy1 | http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=1592549&mode=2 aw one hatched |
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| 14:23.54 | Gnarfoz | g0urra: how much Red Bull per day? |
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| 14:24.27 | g0urra | ? |
| 14:26.07 | Gnarfoz | g0urra: ...did you use to drink - referring to your FB post |
| 14:26.27 | Gnarfoz | also, Sweden, right? (ingredients vary by country) |
| 14:28.10 | Gnarfoz | I drink a lot of (non-Red Bull brand) energy drinks daily, too - since I'm suffering from gout, which is kidney-based, your post history over the last few has me worried (not to mention worried for you. DUDE! wtf! :D get better :)) |
| 14:28.21 | g0urra | about 25 oz per day |
| 14:30.57 | Gnarfoz | US oz? |
| 14:31.01 | g0urra | though I suspect the doctor is full of crap since he talked about the taurine being extracted from bull testicles and that they are sex steroids ("könshormon") |
| 14:31.05 | g0urra | yes |
| 14:32.13 | mikma | mm mm, liquid bull testicles |
| 14:32.39 | mikma | so that's why they call it "Red bull" |
| 14:33.27 | Semlar | well it is called taurine |
| 14:33.30 | g0urra | well, he probably heard about the urban legend and called it a day |
| 14:36.31 | mikma | semlar: not the weirdest thing i've put in my mouth |
| 14:36.35 | VIad | bugs used for food coloring |
| 14:37.20 | VIad | kopi luwak is coffee made out of the poop of some mountain cats after they've eaten some specific berries :D |
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| 14:39.34 | Semlar | i can pretty much guarantee it's synthesized because the cost of extracting anything from an animal wouldn't be worth it |
| 14:39.47 | VIad | thats why it costs ten times more than other coffee :P |
| 14:39.52 | VIad | "exotic" |
| 14:40.29 | Torhal | extracts several working AddOns from Semlar. |
| 14:40.35 | Semlar | GOOD LUCK |
| 14:40.44 | Torhal | MAGIC, MOTHERFUCKER! |
| 14:41.04 | Semlar | drinks torhal's milkshake |
| 14:41.24 | Torhal | That...that wasn't a milkshake. |
| 14:41.32 | Torhal | I hope your internals were lead-lined. |
| 14:41.50 | Semlar | they're intestine-lined |
| 14:42.35 | Torhal | Wow, man. Such exotic fare. |
| 14:44.11 | Semlar | you are what you eat |
| 14:51.41 | mikma | torhal: but Navi already works |
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| 15:16.01 | mikma | http://www.kingston.com/en/company/press/article/7704?Article-Title=HyperX-announces-availability-of-HyperX-Predator-PCIe-SSD |
| 15:16.07 | mikma | now, that's interesting SSD |
| 15:53.11 | Gnarfoz | about as interesting as the other almost identical products |
| 15:58.40 | mikma | gnarfoz: there's more pcie ssd's out? |
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| 16:01.54 | Gnarfoz | http://geizhals.de/?cat=hdssd&sort=p&xf=4832_4#xf_top |
| 16:02.35 | Gnarfoz | (although that's the "old" and thus not really amazing category. you'd really want stuff from this one (PCIe 3.0): http://geizhals.de/?cat=hdssd&sort=p&xf=4832_3#xf_top) |
| 16:05.17 | mikma | do those come with suitable card |
| 16:05.32 | Gnarfoz | with what? |
| 16:05.57 | mikma | you need a card with those that you use to plug in the pcie |
| 16:06.18 | Gnarfoz | no, you put them in your motherboard's M.2 slot |
| 16:06.37 | mikma | but older pc's don't have that |
| 16:06.41 | mikma | they have pcie |
| 16:06.42 | Gnarfoz | if you don't have that, why would you even buy one of these, |
| 16:07.50 | mikma | because of the speed :P |
| 16:08.06 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 16:08.30 | Gnarfoz | may I point you to the 15 times more model diversity available in the "PCI-E plugin card" section: there's 15 times http://geizhals.de/?cat=hdssd&xf=4830_3 |
| 16:09.23 | Gnarfoz | s/there's 15 times// |
| 16:09.37 | Gnarfoz | oh, welcome back, purl |
| 16:09.57 | Gnarfoz | multiple personality disorder overcome, apparently ^^ |
| 16:10.59 | mikma | to me, it still seems like those kingston ssd's are faster |
| 16:11.15 | mikma | but cba to google more nowm apexis daily |
| 16:11.20 | mikma | now, * |
| 16:11.47 | pompy1 | wasn't kingston the one with the ssd controversy? |
| 16:12.04 | Gnarfoz | that makes it sound like there was just one controversy |
| 16:12.17 | Gnarfoz | (not sure what you're talking about, though) |
| 16:16.54 | MiRai | I'm guessing you're referring to OCZ with its Sandforce controllers |
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| 16:39.22 | ZorbaTHut | I am looking forward to the day when rotary drives vanish entirely |
| 16:41.42 | ZorbaTHut | dang, samsung's planning a 32" 4k freesync panel |
| 16:45.01 | jleclanche | ~seen cogwheel |
| 16:45.03 | purl | cogwheel <26632af2@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 291d 21h 44m 30s ago, saying: 'discoworld*'. |
| 16:47.24 | karl_w_w | cogwheel last online 40 minutes ago |
| 16:47.35 | karl_w_w | he doesn't love irc anymore :( |
| 16:48.38 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: wont happen, nothing else has the storage density |
| 16:49.15 | ZorbaTHut | SSDs have easily enough storage density. They don't have the storage per dollar right now, but they're progressing a whole lot faster than rotaries are |
| 16:49.52 | mikma | karl_w_w: he might, but he doesn't love wow anymore |
| 16:49.54 | ZorbaTHut | you could make a 2.5" SSD today with more capacity than any 3.5" HDD. 'course you'd be paying five thousand bucks for it - that's the part that has to be fixed |
| 16:51.46 | jleclanche | could just give $5000 to everybody! |
| 16:52.00 | Thunder_Child | I saw a 1TB for ~$350 which is not bad for the progression of $:b. |
| 16:52.04 | ZorbaTHut | (and that's $5000 *if* you could get it mass-produced, realistically you'd never succeed in that) |
| 16:52.06 | Thunder_Child | 1TB ssd* |
| 16:52.14 | jleclanche | could just give $500000 to everybody! |
| 16:52.25 | ZorbaTHut | thunderchild, yeah, I bought one for I think $450 a few months back. They're certainly not up to par yet in terms of price but they're moving *fast* |
| 16:52.40 | jleclanche | 1tb for $350 ssd storage is insane |
| 16:52.45 | pompy1 | Gnarfoz, MiRai: http://www.overclock.net/t/1457629/psa-about-the-kingston-v300-ssd-probable-foul-play-by-kingston |
| 16:52.48 | jleclanche | (insanely cheap that is) |
| 16:53.54 | MiRai | pompy1: It was all Sandforce drives really, but OCZ was hit the hardest since they were early adopters. |
| 16:54.07 | MiRai | it was all drives with Sandforce controllers* |
| 16:54.27 | MiRai | SandForce is mentioned all throughout that post |
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| 17:06.58 | Shirik | http://www.dorkly.com/post/73528/oh-wow-an-egyptian-mall-thought-twitch-plays-pokemon-fan-art-was-hieroglyphs |
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| 17:14.41 | mikma | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/super-troopers-2 |
| 18:01.28 | zenzelezz | pompy1: cheers |
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| 18:20.12 | pompy1 | zenzelezz: indeed, 15 mins |
| 18:25.31 | mikma | http://www.wired.com/2015/03/60-gadget-thatll-make-car-hacking-easier-ever/ |
| 18:25.36 | mikma | HACK THE PL... car |
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| 18:29.02 | zenzelezz | pompy1: wonder if this commentator is new or just excited; she seems to almost stumble on words |
| 18:30.05 | pompy1 | zenzelezz: lol pprolly an intern |
| 18:31.38 | karl_w_w | oh my gosh |
| 18:32.02 | karl_w_w | windows key + Q brings up search without having to go to the start screen |
| 18:32.10 | karl_w_w | 1 more key press but less ugly |
| 18:33.16 | pompy1 | I like Marty's voice lol |
| 18:34.54 | pompy1 | zenzelezz: shitty weather tho :\ |
| 18:36.24 | pompy1 | vroom vroom |
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| 19:24.47 | Semlar | neffi how long have these nameplateOverlapH and nameplateOverlapV cvars been here |
| 19:25.13 | Neffi | never heard of those |
| 19:25.32 | Semlar | i'm assuming it modifies their stacking behavior |
| 19:26.12 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, since about 4.1.x version |
| 19:26.26 | Semlar | i wonder if they actually do anything |
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| 19:59.18 | Semlar | here neffi http://gfycat.com/ParchedClassicBoto |
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| 20:36.56 | kd3 | heheh |
| 20:45.43 | karl_w_w | very much nsfw, and in poor taste to boot: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1427309766576.jpg |
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| 20:47.40 | kullervo | I expected it to be more lulzworthy but the pop culture reference was aimed at a too narrow audience |
| 20:58.40 | mikma | karl_w_w: 404!!!!11 |
| 21:00.00 | mikma | So, Super Troopers 2 is going to happen now :D |
| 21:04.13 | zenzelezz | I really don't know why, but I keep reading that as "Starship Troopers 2" |
| 21:05.44 | karl_w_w | http://oi60.tinypic.com/98afdj.jpg mikma |
| 21:18.28 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: that already happened |
| 21:22.55 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: that's irrelevant to my point, but yes |
| 21:26.28 | mikma | karl_w_w: that's some 4chan quality you got there, mate! |
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| 22:02.57 | Primer | wtf, it seems gxMonitor in Config.wtf is now gxWindow? |
| 22:03.22 | Primer | My Left, Right, Middle shortcuts for starting wow in those respective displays just stopped working |
| 22:04.33 | Primer | or not...selecting a different monitor in game does nothing |
| 22:05.16 | Primer | nm...it requires a game restart |
| 22:06.06 | Primer | now if only I could get sed.exe to stop dropping temp files all over this directory... |
| 22:13.15 | Primer | wow, this is a bug and it's been there for 4 years |
| 22:13.50 | Primer | I wonder if I can invoke cygwin's sed from a .bat file...guessing it'll work |
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| 22:15.18 | Primer | yup, works great |
| 22:24.07 | kd3 | an interesting post on writing about games in this day and age: http://www.nodontdie.com/anonymous/ |
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| 22:27.51 | Mr_Rabies | i've almost totally cut myself off from gaming blogs and i feel like i've improved my life as a result :v |
| 22:28.04 | Amarande | kd3: one wonders how much freer people would feel if they just ignored threats and kept calm and carried on |
| 22:28.17 | Amarande | as it is, people are trained to basically stop, drop, and answer when a threat comes in |
| 22:30.37 | Amarande | and how many of these (mostly teenage, I'm sure) mouth-offers are really capable of carrying out the threats they spew, anyway? |
| 22:31.40 | Amarande | (I know, the counter is "do you want to take that chance?" but then again, did the first person to blink ever win?) |
| 22:34.02 | Mr_Rabies | not to mention numerous cases of the threats being made up for more PR, etc |
| 22:36.10 | Mr_Rabies | >Itâs a culture-war thing, basically. At least I think so. Most game journalists are lefties and a big percentage of the audience is right-libertarian. |
| 22:36.12 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:37.40 | Primer | So if you go /tar somethig a few times while out and about, you get taint in Prat |
| 22:37.41 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm not even quite sure where I stand politically anymore ... I'm starting to fall in the "can the system just let us all do our thing and stop politicising everything?" category I think :| |
| 22:37.44 | Mr_Rabies | identity politics and stereotypes don't really do your case many favors, anonymous developer person |
| 22:38.04 | Amarande | And Democrats, "let us all do our thing" INCLUDES not taxing the living daylights out of us so we wonder if we can't *afford* to do our thing :P |
| 22:38.06 | Primer | I was looking for a guildy in Stormshield, did /tar him about 5-6 times...taint |
| 22:38.15 | Primer | and now it'll do it every time until I reload |
| 22:38.43 | Dagmar | I'm thinking the GOP makes what goes on in China's inner circles look calm and well-balanced. |
| 22:39.38 | Amarande | Because it keeps seeming like, under the GOP, we're going to end up with some sort of nightmare amalgamation of The Trial, 1984, The Handmaid's Tale, and Neuromancer. But hey, we won't be taxed to death so at least we'll have a paycheck! |
| 22:39.56 | Amarande | Under the Democrats? Oh, you'll *nominally* have more freedoms. But after you pay your taxes you just won't have any money left to do anything with them. :P |
| 22:40.40 | Mr_Rabies | i think this anonymous developer needs to get out of AAA game development, that's basically all i've taken out of this interview, kd3 :/ |
| 22:40.58 | Mr_Rabies | for their own happiness |
| 22:41.00 | Dagmar | Taxing really isn't the problem |
| 22:41.27 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: "AAA game development" shouldn't be a special subclass of things anyway ... there should just be game development, with everyone trying to make a great game no matter what the budget tier is :) |
| 22:41.48 | Dagmar | The problem is employers and corporations simply _never_ do fair deals with citizens/employees |
| 22:41.49 | Mr_Rabies | it is a subclass, though |
| 22:42.03 | Mr_Rabies | if a game has a huge budget, a bunch of developers, and a huge marketing campaign |
| 22:42.07 | Mr_Rabies | it's definitely a AAA game |
| 22:42.08 | Dagmar | Statistically, the majority of people aren't paid nearly enough, and they're overcharged for everything possible |
| 22:42.13 | Mr_Rabies | they need to get out of that environment |
| 22:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | they clearly don't enjoy it and need to move to a smaller studio and either self-publish or find a more agreeable publisher |
| 22:42.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, I'm guessing we're probably getting a Neuromancer future at least, even if we can head off the more Orwellian, Kafkaesque, and Atwoodian aspects :| |
| 22:43.06 | Mr_Rabies | because in the end, the high-budget games aren't there to make good games |
| 22:43.10 | Mr_Rabies | they're there to make lots of money |
| 22:43.12 | Dagmar | There's a lot of ways in which we're well past what was going on in Neuromancer |
| 22:43.29 | Mr_Rabies | that may apply to smaller games too, but it almost ALWAYS applies to the high-budget games |
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| 22:44.26 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: yeah, there are an awful lot of subpar AAA games lately (resists the temptation to just link to "List of Ubisoft games" at Wikipedia, LOL) |
| 22:44.43 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, most games are sub-par nowadays |
| 22:45.13 | Mr_Rabies | i know that |
| 22:45.18 | Mr_Rabies | technically doesn't make sense |
| 22:45.34 | Amarande | and hey, even if we don't have the AAA industry, we'll always have a steady flow of RPG Maker VX Ace games :) |
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| 22:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | so i'll say "most games aren't worth what the price tag is nowadays" |
| 22:45.45 | Dagmar | Remember, at one point Gibson sort of made a joke about Miss America pushing propaganda to the people through a major news outlet |
| 22:45.48 | Amarande | I wonder what the awful:good ratio is for those, whether it's similar or different to the normal awful:good ratio of things |
| 22:45.56 | Dagmar | ...and then CNN fucking *started doing that* |
| 22:46.27 | Mr_Rabies | and they're trying to raise the base price on games AGAIN |
| 22:46.31 | Mr_Rabies | to $70 |
| 22:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | i personally can't wait for the next gaming bubble burst |
| 22:47.26 | Amarande | wonder how well that's going to go over |
| 22:47.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna be the only thing that might slay the hydras that are ubisoft, EA, activision, etc |
| 22:47.31 | Amarande | gamers are already balking at $60 |
| 22:47.45 | Amarande | it's why World of Warcraft is such a huge profit maker and Call of Duty is struggling |
| 22:47.59 | Amarande | WoW has a small monthly fee, and until WoD anyway it was less than 50 bucks every couple years for the expansion packs |
| 22:48.08 | Mr_Rabies | i balk at more than about $30 unless i know for sure the game's gonna be good |
| 22:48.21 | Amarande | it's the sort of thing that's easy to pay for (and with the WoW Token we might not need to pay for subs at all, we can do it on someone else's dime :D) |
| 22:48.23 | Mr_Rabies | i usually wait for the GOTY edition with all the dlc to drop below about $30 |
| 22:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | i recommend everyone do the same :V |
| 22:48.45 | Amarande | CoD charges $60, and then comes out with a ton of what is it, $15 DLC packs that basically end up being almost mandatory? |
| 22:48.57 | Amarande | (at least, if you do not want to keep suffering "YOU HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE GAME BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE THIS MAP") |
| 22:49.27 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really buy DLC unless there's a GOTY edition, and then i buy that once it's at a reasonable price |
| 22:49.34 | Mr_Rabies | like the arkham games, bethesda games, etc |
| 22:49.36 | Amarande | and gamers are already balking at both the possibility of price hikes and at having to buy all that DLC |
| 22:49.41 | Mr_Rabies | not really worth it until the whole game's out |
| 22:50.02 | Amarande | I've pondered sometimes if that is part of the reason WoW jacked the expansion price up, so that more money (since WoW has a huge profit percentage) can be siphoned over to the CoD devs |
| 22:50.11 | Mr_Rabies | the problem is that the beast that is the gaming industry is way too big and there's way too much money |
| 22:50.25 | Amarande | but if CoD isn't making good money why doesn't Activision just drop it :| |
| 22:50.43 | Amarande | they could make mad bank into eternity just off what Blizzard makes, I'm sure |
| 22:50.48 | Mr_Rabies | they're perfectly happy paying $100 million for PR for a game they're gonna sell for $100 that's worth maybe $20 at launch, maybe |
| 22:51.02 | Mr_Rabies | assuming it's even finished from a playability standpoint |
| 22:51.09 | Amarande | mind you, even $70 isn't the highest I've seen games get |
| 22:51.20 | Mr_Rabies | CoD is making great money still |
| 22:51.26 | Amarande | the Ultima VII games both retailed for $80 when they came out ... which is like $120 in today's dollars after inflation |
| 22:51.29 | Mr_Rabies | they just got freakin' kevin spacey for a game |
| 22:51.40 | Mr_Rabies | call of duty: digital kevin spacey |
| 22:51.47 | Amarande | plus they had expansion packs (which due to bugginess in the original games were all but MANDATORY to have a smooth experience) that were apparently $40 each when they were new |
| 22:52.01 | Amarande | (I was late to the party so I never had to pay that much myself) |
| 22:52.11 | Amarande | come to think of it $70 might actually be fair, alas |
| 22:52.24 | Amarande | for an FPS anyway ... seeing that the original Doom was $40, and if we inflation adjust, that's about $65 now |
| 22:53.00 | Amarande | still gamers are gonna balk |
| 22:53.20 | Amarande | I tried to protest the WoD increase by waiting till it went down to $40 at Amazon :) |
| 22:54.34 | Mr_Rabies | i knew WoD was gonna be worth it, so i broke my golden rule of not preordering and preordered about a week early |
| 22:54.37 | Constie | I'm not sure pretending inflation isn't a thing would be a good idea for developers. |
| 22:55.54 | Mr_Rabies | i bought Dark Souls II at launch for $40 and then it had ~$25 of DLC i'm not gonna buy despite loving dark souls games |
| 22:56.19 | Amarande | the only other things I can think of for a WoW price increase are a) that they finally caved in to inflation, or b) that they were anticipating that Net Neutrality would fail and they would need to incur lots of extra expenses to consumer ISPs to retain their popular juggernaut status :P |
| 22:56.23 | Mr_Rabies | they're doing a directx11 version with all the dlc included and better graphics, i might grab that if the discount is good enough for existing paying customers |
| 22:57.07 | Amarande | although I'd think b) would be funded through raising subscription costs more than expansion prices |
| 22:57.07 | Mr_Rabies | i mean the real reason was they felt that the features in the expansion added enough value to increase the price to $50 and still almost 100% of the current playerbase would buy it |
| 22:57.18 | Constie | I was happy to buy the DS2 DLC considering how good the DS1 one was. Liked each one more than the base game, pretty much. |
| 22:57.19 | Amarande | this is probably the only time I'll get to cheap out on a WoW expansion though |
| 22:57.35 | Amarande | I came in in mid-late TBC, bought Wrath, Cata, and Mists at launch |
| 22:57.36 | Mr_Rabies | i never played the dark souls 1 dlc |
| 22:57.41 | Amarande | so this is the only time I've waited, actually |
| 22:57.54 | Amarande | and probably will be the only time, especially if Blizz accelerates the expansion schedule |
| 22:57.59 | Mr_Rabies | DS1 was such a bad pc port that i got it for like $10 and still feel a bit ripped off |
| 22:58.12 | Amarande | sooner or later we'll have to buy them all at launch in order to get our money's worth |
| 22:58.30 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: was it Dark Souls or Demon's Souls that had the rep for extreme difficulty? |
| 22:58.48 | Mr_Rabies | i paid $50 for the xbox 360 version and also $20 on a strategy guide (this was before the wikis had any good info, i never buy strategy guides, also the strategy guide had a semi-artbook in it) |
| 22:58.56 | Mr_Rabies | then i bought a $50 artbook for dark souls |
| 22:59.09 | Mr_Rabies | both, Amarande |
| 22:59.26 | Mr_Rabies | though the rep was mostly because of demon's souls difficulty |
| 22:59.36 | Mr_Rabies | none of the games are really -that- hard once you learn how to play them |
| 22:59.46 | Mr_Rabies | they'er hard in comparison to modern games, for sure |
| 22:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | but modern games are basically hallways and cutscenes |
| 23:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | maybe a quicktime event here and there |
| 23:00.37 | Amarande | although it still seems like Dark Souls is overranked in difficulty |
| 23:00.43 | Mr_Rabies | but i'd say the souls franchise as a whole is probably about as hard as the pre-metroidvania castlevania games |
| 23:00.52 | Amarande | mainly since at GameFAQs it's ranked as harder than Wizardry IV, and I can't imagine THAT being the case |
| 23:00.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty heavily inspired by them in various ways |
| 23:01.01 | Mr_Rabies | there are different kinds of difficulty |
| 23:01.08 | Amarande | most of the other ones that are harder than Wizardry IV are Roguelikes which probably actually *ARE* that hard, otoh |
| 23:01.29 | Amarande | (#1 is NetHack, btw.) |
| 23:01.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say the souls games have real difficulty and you can actually improve by getting more familiar with them |
| 23:01.36 | Constie | The PC port becomes fine if you use the DSfix thing that does things that shouldn't require a third-party patch. |
| 23:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | roguelikes aren't really particularly difficult, they're just prone to killing you via RNG |
| 23:01.55 | Mr_Rabies | eh, Constie |
| 23:02.00 | Mr_Rabies | it still feels very, very floaty |
| 23:02.08 | Amarande | and hard to say how the Wizardry games measure up |
| 23:02.11 | Mr_Rabies | in comparison to the console versions or DSII |
| 23:02.15 | Amarande | though they are well known for vicious RNG |
| 23:02.42 | Constie | That doesn't sound right to me, but maybe that's just an opinion thing. Oh well. |
| 23:02.46 | Amarande | of course that was also from a day and age where if a game wasn't sadistic to the point where you'd think it was made by Guantanamo interrogation specialists, IT WAS TOO EASY heh |
| 23:03.29 | Amarande | and kids these days complain about how hard stuff is :) |
| 23:03.36 | Mr_Rabies | where does the difficulty in the wizardry franchise derive from? |
| 23:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't ever played it |
| 23:03.51 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: it's heavily D&D-like, so a lot of it is from RNG |
| 23:04.00 | Arrowmaster | DS is just wear no armor, learn to roll and attack at the perfect time and win, then tell everybody online that they suck if they cant roll and attack at the perfect times |
| 23:04.11 | Amarande | a lot of it is also from extremely unforgiving dungeon design, and persistent death |
| 23:04.22 | Mr_Rabies | that's not real difficulty to me, tbh |
| 23:04.25 | Amarande | not usually *absolutely* permadeath, but very close to it (and could be permadeath in some cases) |
| 23:04.29 | Mr_Rabies | RNG isn't really difficulty, it's just, sometimes you die |
| 23:04.48 | Amarande | like, in Wizardry I-III anyway, if your party died, you had to actually create a new party and go gather the corpses to have them rezzed if you wanted to use those characters again |
| 23:05.41 | Amarande | IIRC, progression was key item based like Ultima III, so it was only kinda sorta starting the game over from the beginning, if you could recover the key items from the dead party |
| 23:05.56 | Amarande | and if a given character died, that was saved to disk so you HAD to go to the trouble of getting them rezzed, you didn't get to just reload your save |
| 23:06.00 | Mr_Rabies | the souls games have a type of difficulty that is very classic, in that you learn how to counter various parts of the game through both victories and losses and as you master your weapon's moveset you become better and better |
| 23:06.02 | Amarande | (Ultima III did that too) |
| 23:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 23:06.17 | Mr_Rabies | not your character |
| 23:06.18 | Mr_Rabies | YOU |
| 23:06.42 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: ah. both an interesting and a worrisome evolution to the RPG |
| 23:06.45 | nevcairiel | which is why its considered hard, you actually have to learn yourself |
| 23:06.58 | Amarande | interesting because it's a brand new mechanic that brings unique new situations |
| 23:07.01 | Mr_Rabies | you can beat the game fully naked at level 1 if you're good enough, but that's gonna take a REALLY long time |
| 23:07.10 | nevcairiel | in other games you just have to play more so your character gets stronger =p |
| 23:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | soul level makes the game easier in various ways but |
| 23:07.29 | Amarande | worrisome because I'm rather not keen on videogames evolving in a direction where we mostly don't get to play a character anymore because everything is judged off our own human limitations |
| 23:07.33 | Constie | What's good about Dark Souls's difficulty to me is that what you learn by trial and error is more classes of enemies and attacks than like a billion individual patterns, and that you're allowed to make mistakes but just not too many too close together. |
| 23:07.46 | Mr_Rabies | it won't ever replace actually being good at the game |
| 23:07.57 | Amarande | as it is, character's Agility and Evasion have practically been replaced by the player's in an ever increasing number of games |
| 23:08.10 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think it's an evolution |
| 23:08.13 | Amarande | Strength could probably be replaced too, with motion controllers that could measure how hard you can swing |
| 23:08.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's just a return to form |
| 23:08.32 | Amarande | only armour and magical type attributes are really "protected" against returning to player-based rather than character-based |
| 23:08.37 | Mr_Rabies | castlevania didn't rely on stats and just putting more hours in to be better |
| 23:08.48 | Mr_Rabies | castlevania relied on you, the player, being able to learn and get better |
| 23:08.51 | Amarande | Yeah, a lot of it is what you grew up on |
| 23:08.58 | Mr_Rabies | now, post metroidvania, |
| 23:09.08 | Mr_Rabies | stats made the games so easy that there was no challenge left whatsoever |
| 23:09.08 | Constie | This thing here says the PC version of Dark Souls takes less time to beat on average than the PS3 and 360 versions. I wonder how much of that is Blighttown framerate issues. |
| 23:09.22 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, Constie |
| 23:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | i bet most of it is that many people playing it on pc played it on something else a LOT first |
| 23:10.16 | Constie | That's probably true, really. http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=2224 |
| 23:10.27 | Amarande | us career RPG players probably see it differently from folks who grew up on mainly action games |
| 23:10.38 | Amarande | especially those of us who don't consider ourselves exceptionally nimble, heh |
| 23:11.10 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 23:11.10 | Amarande | and that's another thing, it would be nice to see more games that test the player's mind more than their dexterity |
| 23:11.17 | Amarande | however, I'm not 100% sure that is really possible anymore :( |
| 23:11.22 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls has a sliding defense system |
| 23:11.22 | Mr_Rabies | where |
| 23:11.36 | Mr_Rabies | you can choose to dodge attacks, or tank them |
| 23:11.41 | Mr_Rabies | more armor makes you really, really slow |
| 23:11.46 | Mr_Rabies | so dodging isn't really effective |
| 23:11.49 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 23:11.54 | Mr_Rabies | you can take a lot of hits, typically |
| 23:12.02 | Amarande | does it actually work out in practise? |
| 23:12.12 | Mr_Rabies | the weaker something is at protecting you, the less it weighs |
| 23:12.28 | Mr_Rabies | eh, people of course find ways to game the system |
| 23:12.29 | Amarande | or is it like all too many action based games where the 'tank' approach becomes unviable in the long run because of too many super overwhelming power attacks in major fights? |
| 23:12.37 | Constie | Tanking can be super effective in DS1 and 2, if you keep up on gear upgrades. |
| 23:12.43 | Amarande | thus *forcing* you to the 'dodge' approach |
| 23:12.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, tanking is very gear reliant |
| 23:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls also uses the same currency for everything - souls |
| 23:13.19 | Mr_Rabies | leveling your character? souls |
| 23:13.23 | Mr_Rabies | buying gear from vendors? souls |
| 23:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | upgrading gear? souls plus the appropriate upgrade tokens' |
| 23:13.48 | Mr_Rabies | "tokens" |
| 23:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | rather |
| 23:14.11 | Constie | I guess it's probably a bit less effective in 2 since there are more unblockable attacks, but I've played through the game just fine as a tank. |
| 23:14.23 | Amarande | ah, so pretty much imagine Wild Arms 4 or 5 if the only vendor was the black market, then |
| 23:14.48 | Amarande | (in the black market, you bought things with *levels*) |
| 23:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | even then the unblockable stuff typically tanks pretty well |
| 23:14.56 | Amarande | ah |
| 23:15.07 | Mr_Rabies | though i always prefer playing the nimble type that dodges attacks |
| 23:15.17 | Amarande | yeah, most games that seem to offer a choice tend to end up rewarding the nimble dodger, while the slower, methodical tanker eventually ends up in a fix |
| 23:15.20 | Mr_Rabies | fighting pursuer is incredibly fun as a low-armor type |
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| 23:15.38 | Amarande | because eventually you get some OMGpowerful attack from a boss that does nothing if you dodge it, but no matter how much armour you've got basically obliterates you if you're hit |
| 23:15.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's not -really- that way in dark souls, but it of course does value active gameplay versus passive gameplay |
| 23:15.49 | Amarande | or at least takes out so much health that you lose the endurance match |
| 23:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | thing is |
| 23:16.15 | Mr_Rabies | you can |
| 23:16.24 | Mr_Rabies | at any point, just strip naked and learn to dodge |
| 23:16.33 | Mr_Rabies | you're not reliant on tanking if you choose that method |
| 23:16.43 | Amarande | whereas in some other RPGs, the tank approach is basically God ... Shin Megami Tensei for instance, load up on immunity skills and bosses are laughable (and in fact this is how you're pretty much meant to beat bosses) |
| 23:16.53 | Mr_Rabies | you can still use the light armor, and some of your stats may be less optimal for one play style over another |
| 23:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 23:17.04 | Mr_Rabies | optimal really isn't necessary in dark souls |
| 23:17.13 | Amarande | heh, which is rather surprising |
| 23:17.22 | Mr_Rabies | player skill will always trump optimal stats, etc |
| 23:17.23 | Amarande | since most ultra-hard games tend to rely on forcing you to be as optimal as humanly possible |
| 23:17.36 | Amarande | and even THAT often only gives you a wee sliver of a chance |
| 23:17.36 | Mr_Rabies | there are build guides, etc that'll make it easier |
| 23:17.44 | Mr_Rabies | but really you yourself have to learn how to play it |
| 23:17.55 | Amarande | can we say, the original published version of Joe Dever's "The Prisoners of Time" (not to mention "The Cauldron of Fear") ... heh |
| 23:18.38 | Constie | The best weapon in Dark Souls is the one whose moveset you are most comfortable with, more or less. Also applies to character archetypes. |
| 23:19.18 | Amarande | Constie: Ahh, basically like the way Troika tried to make Arcanum, then |
| 23:19.27 | Torhal | http://theuserisdrunk.com/ |
| 23:19.32 | Amarande | although Arcanum sadly kind of falls flat on its face in many cases in that way :( |
| 23:19.39 | Constie | Less horribly balanced, but yes. |
| 23:19.59 | Amarande | especially if you want a diplomatic mage ... that build is seriously a total pain in the bum |
| 23:20.18 | Amarande | diplomatic tech is just ducky, but diplomatic mage is extremely painful, and that's even if you know the Vendigroth Wastes XP cheese trick |
| 23:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | somewhat, Constie |
| 23:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | also, the best weapon is the one that fits the best for the fight if you're willing to learn more than one |
| 23:20.43 | Mr_Rabies | i.e. don't fight in a hallway with a polearm |
| 23:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | you're gonna hit the wall a lot |
| 23:20.58 | Mr_Rabies | or with a big mace, axe, etc |
| 23:21.01 | Amarande | Torhal: hah, nice, someone who actually does get to drink on the job in the 21st century :) |
| 23:21.12 | Constie | Clearly hitting the wall a lot is going to feel uncomfortable! |
| 23:21.17 | Amarande | these days you usually get fired for that :P |
| 23:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | i love the fast paced dual wield 1h gameplay in DS2 |
| 23:22.00 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: and that sounds like Morrowind, if Morrowind actually had had quarters close enough for it to matter |
| 23:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | i've got two katanas infused with poison |
| 23:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | see, i hate morrowind's combat like |
| 23:22.10 | Mr_Rabies | the MOST |
| 23:22.11 | Amarande | of course, it didn't, so the Daedric dai-katana was always the go-to weapon |
| 23:22.12 | Mr_Rabies | of any game |
| 23:22.22 | Amarande | that's how I basically broke the game last time I played |
| 23:22.30 | Amarande | like the 2nd or 3rd Dremora I encountered in ruins dropped a DDK |
| 23:22.32 | Constie | The "more or less" is because e.g. a build that relies on parries and backstabs can be great against regular enemies, but then parries and backstabs usually can't be executed on bosses, who of course have a lot of health. |
| 23:22.38 | Amarande | loaded it up with Absorb Health on Hit and was basically immortality itself |
| 23:22.41 | Mr_Rabies | it basically just felt like i was hitting someone and they lost hit points per hit and every fight was just standing in place clicking |
| 23:23.00 | Mr_Rabies | but dark souls is so much more deep, combat wise |
| 23:23.02 | Amarande | only things that could really cause me trouble were monsters that could paralyse |
| 23:23.12 | Mr_Rabies | you can actually dodge attacks by attacking, etc |
| 23:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | like if your weapon causes you to drop your head down |
| 23:23.27 | Mr_Rabies | and the weapon is supposed to hit at head height |
| 23:23.30 | Mr_Rabies | you can dodge via attacking |
| 23:23.35 | Amarande | absorb health on hit was just redonkadonk broken in Morrowind ... wonder if there's a way to get it in Oblivion or Skyrim |
| 23:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | i think my favorite thing in the elder scrolls franchise so far |
| 23:24.06 | Mr_Rabies | was the spell i made, and then later put on arrows |
| 23:24.21 | Mr_Rabies | it paralyzed for 5 seconds, then boosted the target's speed and horror by a massive amount |
| 23:24.38 | Mr_Rabies | in oblivion |
| 23:24.47 | Amarande | I should have tried going over to Tribunal and seeing if it was godly enough to make even Gaenor easy |
| 23:24.52 | Mr_Rabies | so i'd hit them with it, they'd tumble down the hill and then bolt at mach speed away from me |
| 23:24.55 | Mr_Rabies | it was hilarious |
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| 23:31.19 | Amarande | I never got around to making spells last time I tried Oblivion |
| 23:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | i just did it in the uh |
| 23:31.37 | Amarande | actually that was one thing that irritated me pretty strongly about it ... the early-game limitation woes |
| 23:31.38 | Mr_Rabies | creation kit |
| 23:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | thing |
| 23:31.44 | Amarande | oh, you bought the DLC? |
| 23:31.50 | Mr_Rabies | nah, the mod tools |
| 23:32.54 | Amarande | sadly it seemed Oblivion biased way too hard in favour of a standard Gygaxian melee tank fighter in terms of being able to get going without pain, and I wanted to be a battlemage there |
| 23:33.03 | Amarande | the big problem is trying to get any significant amount of gold early on |
| 23:33.39 | Amarande | most of the money sources in the beginning are from selling enemy gear ... except it tends to be heavy armour with very poor sale prices |
| 23:34.01 | Amarande | and if you're not a Conan, it takes ages of 10 steps forward, 9 steps back before you can actually amass enough gold to afford anything |
| 23:34.19 | Amarande | since you can only carry so much and almost all of it goes to upkeep on the armour you wore to win the fights in the first place |
| 23:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | i like the combat in skyrim more than the other games in the franchise but even it really is kinda bland |
| 23:48.26 | phelps | http://i.imgur.com/Rj2txT3.jpg |
| 23:48.32 | phelps | got some tornados in oklahoma |
| 23:49.46 | Primer | Don't suppose anyone here uses stance in their warlock macros? |
| 23:50.07 | Primer | I want to make a single-press Metamorphosis + Dark Soul macro |
| 23:50.16 | Primer | Metamorphosis is not on the GCD |
| 23:51.15 | foxlit | so? |
| 23:51.49 | Amarande | foxlit: I suppose the trouble is if it's infinitely togglable (which I think it is if I remember last time I was on my lock) |
| 23:51.57 | Primer | So, shouldn't I be able to make a macro like such: /cast [stance:0] Metamorphosis\n/cast Dark Soul: Knowledge ? |
| 23:52.11 | Amarande | then, since you need one hardware event per cast spell action, it's going to be trouble getting Meta to not keep overriding Dark Soul every time |
| 23:52.45 | Amarande | also I may have remembered that totally wrong about meta |
| 23:52.52 | Primer | negative |
| 23:53.06 | Amarande | it has been far too long since I set foot in Azeroth, and my package is still on its way through UPS SuuuuuuuuurePost LOL |
| 23:53.14 | Primer | I have a macro where I can cast EMFH and Demonic Circle: Teleport with one click |
| 23:53.54 | Primer | #showtooltip /cast Every Man for Himself(Racial) /cast Demonic Circle: Teleport <-- Works |
| 23:54.05 | mikma | lol |
| 23:54.11 | mikma | panic GTFO |
| 23:54.12 | foxlit | maybe; so what happens with your would-be macro? |
| 23:54.14 | mikma | nice! |
| 23:54.16 | Amarande | huh. I thought you weren't allowed to put more than one spell into one click, it would just cast the first one |
| 23:54.22 | Primer | mimka: HAHA the macro is named GTFO! |
| 23:54.22 | Amarande | (anti-Decursive type measure, ofc) |
| 23:54.44 | foxlit | eu is basically in "character not found"-land atm, so I can't test a thing |
| 23:55.27 | mikma | primer: maybe i should do the same with my hunter, /cast EMFH /cast Disengage |
| 23:55.53 | mikma | also known as "you are falling to your death." |
| 23:55.55 | Primer | well, it's definitely situational...I wouldn't use that if my back was to a hill, for example |
| 23:56.07 | Amarande | Mind you I'm always a little paranoid about what's "allowed" in WoW ... like whether keyboards with inherent macro capability are a no-no even if you don't use the keyboard macros (which I'm pretty sure *aren't* allowed) because presumably Warden would detect the keyboard driver itself as a possible exploit program |
| 23:56.38 | fewyn | blizzard would then have to ban everyone whoever bought a gaming keyboard |
| 23:56.43 | fewyn | and i doubt they will |
| 23:56.45 | mikma | primer: http://www.forumsextreme.com/images3/Funny_Pictures_General_Thanks_Captain_Obvious.jpg |
| 23:56.47 | Primer | I know that EMFH is not on the GCD, which is why shit like this works |
| 23:56.54 | Amarande | (wouldn't be the first time drivers have been picked up by cheat protection either, I still remember reading about the infamous video driver VAC fiasco from a few years ago ... heh) |
| 23:57.09 | Amarande | fewyn: yeah, that's probably true, especially since there are WoW branded gaming keyboards, at that |
| 23:57.33 | Primer | If I manually hit meta, I can immediately cast anything, no waiting on GCD |
| 23:57.41 | Primer | same for EMFH |
| 23:58.03 | Amarande | If I'm gonna resurrect my warlock I basically have to find a raid spot though :S |
| 23:58.29 | Amarande | seeing that she's a JC, which has had its value kicked through the floor with 6.0, and PvP on warlocks right now is practically "no just no" |
| 23:58.37 | Primer | ok, it works |
| 23:58.51 | Primer | but only when I remove the [stance] conditional |
| 23:59.02 | Primer | which now has me wondering if stance even works for locks any more |
| 23:59.08 | Amarande | (speaking of JC, is "gem socket" even the BiS random attribute most of the time?) |
| 23:59.26 | Primer | I would have to guess "yes" |
| 23:59.40 | Primer | not sure how that has anything to do with JC, per se |
| 23:59.59 | Amarande | Primer: because if gem socket is not BiS, it further injures the role of gems (and thus the value of JC) |
