| 00:40.31 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: yeah |
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| 00:54.10 | fewyn | enhance or elemental? |
| 00:55.22 | fewyn | wait not a question i don't have any 1hs for enhance to use as heirlooms |
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| 01:48.33 | fewyn | https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/2zpdje/super_troopers_2_is_officially_happening_and_the/ |
| 01:48.35 | fewyn | yesssssss |
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| 03:17.09 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/KASVOQT |
| 03:17.24 | Neffi | lookin good karl_w_w ;) |
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| 04:25.07 | Shirik | fewyn: blah |
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| 06:36.48 | znf | Semlar, are you sending people upstairs to kill those shits? |
| 06:37.12 | Semlar | course |
| 06:38.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.23 | znf | well, everything seems fine |
| 06:40.32 | znf | just people taking a lot of unecesarry damage from the explosive rounds |
| 06:41.21 | Semlar | who do you normally send up |
| 06:41.41 | Semlar | because we've got like a tank a healer and a dps |
| 06:42.02 | znf | we have boomkins :D |
| 06:42.20 | znf | boomkins, warriors |
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| 06:43.27 | Semlar | Your raid's average item level is 683.9. The minimum average item level required to beat this boss is 592.7. |
| 06:43.35 | Semlar | :| |
| 06:43.58 | znf | https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VaD6PNKqZdv8wYC9#fight=29&view=execution |
| 06:44.05 | startxkdm | Anybody have a simple way to showing a frame while CTRL-TAB is pressed, and hiding it if not pressed? Pretty new to Lua.. |
| 06:44.06 | znf | see @ Incendiary Shot who we sent |
| 06:44.21 | znf | 2 boomkins, 1 tank, 1 healer |
| 06:44.43 | Semlar | hook the keybind |
| 06:45.00 | startxkdm | Will google that, ty |
| 06:45.27 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetOverrideBindingClick |
| 06:46.44 | znf | It really looks fine, you just need a bit more practice :) |
| 06:47.16 | Semlar | we've spent a lot less time on him so far than we did on furnace |
| 06:47.25 | znf | Fendril's healing seems a bit on the low side |
| 06:48.05 | Semlar | i'm not sure what phase 3 is like since we've only gotten him to 30% once |
| 06:48.28 | Semlar | but i think we have most of the fight down up to that point |
| 06:48.30 | znf | we use a simple strategy |
| 06:48.44 | znf | bombs to the left, marks to the right :P |
| 06:48.54 | Semlar | we'll try it again on sunday, probably with a smaller group |
| 06:49.07 | Semlar | we don't usually have as many people show up |
| 06:51.10 | Semlar | maybe one of these days a ranged weapon will actually drop for us |
| 06:52.04 | znf | But yes, just the explosive round damage seems to be excessive |
| 06:52.13 | znf | we got ~21mil with 26 people |
| 06:52.49 | znf | you got ~24mil with 18 |
| 06:54.11 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure fendril is trying to kill everyone with it |
| 06:54.37 | znf | maybe he doesn't have a boss mod? |
| 06:54.57 | Semlar | i'm sure he does, i just like that he caused 74 hits with it |
| 06:55.20 | znf | just make them spread better, make them turn on their proximity alert sound so it bugs the shit out of them |
| 06:55.27 | znf | worked for me @ Beastlord Mythic :D |
| 06:55.39 | Semlar | people also need to just get out of the way too |
| 06:56.44 | Semlar | maybe it's because he's the healer going up, do they have less room |
| 06:57.14 | Semlar | the healer you sent up has 82 |
| 06:58.04 | znf | I am not sure, to be honest, I'm completely clueless as what goes upstairs :D |
| 07:01.39 | znf | P3 is like this: http://i.imgur.com/kYpBLmy.png |
| 07:02.08 | Semlar | we may just not be killing the guys as fast as you are |
| 07:02.42 | znf | could be |
| 07:02.44 | znf | send your boomkin up |
| 07:02.49 | znf | and make him starfall the shit out of it |
| 07:03.04 | Semlar | i thought he was going up, i don't know why he isn't |
| 07:04.00 | Semlar | they may just not be getting hit |
| 07:04.33 | znf | I know I completely fucked up on going upstairs on my druid the first 2 times :D |
| 07:21.25 | startxkdm | Aight, this SetOverrideBindingClick is giving me a run for my money. |
| 07:23.02 | Iriel | startxkdm: Problems? |
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| 07:24.02 | startxkdm | Unfortunately yes. Attempting to Show a frame while a keybind is held down, then hiding it on release. |
| 07:24.24 | startxkdm | CTRL-TAB or ALT-` |
| 07:24.29 | Iriel | Thatâs not really what SOBC is for |
| 07:25.05 | Iriel | SOBC is to have a binding thatâs temporarily active (generally while a frame is visible) that takes precedence over other bindings, then release it cleanly later. |
| 07:25.39 | startxkdm | Hrmm, I managed to get the show/hide with just a simple key function, while LALT or LCTRL is held but can't get it to have multiple key's. |
| 07:28.10 | startxkdm | The second post by Phanx on http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48469 was the script that works, just not with the keybind I am hoping for. |
| 07:29.15 | Iriel | Doing stuff with modifiers (especially multiple of them) is fraught with peril |
| 07:30.06 | startxkdm | Haha. Yeah, I am learning that pretty quick. In learning Lua starting this week... definitely been the biggest pain. |
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| 07:36.12 | startxkdm | Maybe I will just make a "HotSpot" to Mouseover, then on button click/ESC press, hide the frame. |
| 07:37.06 | Semlar | why not use an override binding iriel, do you really want a permanent key binding for an addon temporarily showing a frame |
| 07:37.49 | Iriel | Well, the requirement was to SHOW the frame on key down, and HIDE on key up. |
| 07:38.01 | Iriel | so the binding has to be active before the frame is shown (i.e. always) |
| 07:38.05 | startxkdm | Yeah |
| 07:38.40 | Semlar | and if they stop using the addon? |
| 07:39.17 | Iriel | Then the binding wont be active? |
| 07:39.34 | startxkdm | Tbh, Im not sure if this will be on Curse... all depends on how it turns out being my first Add-On |
| 07:41.10 | Semlar | if you create and save a binding as far as i know it doesn't just go away when you disable the addon |
| 07:41.20 | Semlar | it may not do anything, but it's active |
| 07:41.45 | Semlar | and you overwrote whatever the keybind was previously set to |
| 07:42.34 | Semlar | whereas if you override the binding it's only active until you decide to take it off or disable the addon |
| 07:43.02 | Iriel | But if you create an override binding, it OVERRIDES any attempt to use the same key for a normal binding |
| 07:43.09 | Iriel | so itâs not really the right tool for the job |
| 07:43.21 | Iriel | But by all means use it |
| 07:43.26 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 07:43.28 | Iriel | it was invented for stuff like popup action bars |
| 07:43.44 | Iriel | where, when the frame is visible, it can âstealâ the normal 1-9 bindings |
| 07:43.48 | Iriel | and then release them later |
| 07:43.58 | Iriel | the override bindings are basically âlayeredâ over the normal bindings, like a stack |
| 07:44.01 | Semlar | the only difference is it doesn't permanently overwrite the key binding |
| 07:44.29 | karl_w_w | Neffi, please note that picture does not represent australia |
| 07:44.43 | karl_w_w | those are just the poor photoshop skills of 1 man |
| 07:45.30 | Semlar | the override takes priority, which has the same effect as SetBinding, except when the addon is turned off it goes back to whatever it was set to before |
| 07:45.47 | startxkdm | Eh, I am thinking I will just stick with the hotspot mouseover. It works if anything, and is simple enough to work around any issues. |
| 07:46.03 | Iriel | Semlar: you CAN use it that way, but that isnât why it was created |
| 07:46.19 | Iriel | The âoverrideynessâ was intended to be something that comes and goes DURING a play session |
| 07:46.35 | Semlar | i know, i just don't generally think it's a good idea to overwrite the existing binding |
| 07:46.56 | Iriel | Whenever I have an addon with a key binding, I make it an actual binding int he options page |
| 07:53.37 | startxkdm | Anyways, thanks for the help guys. It's sorted, and working with this alternate way |
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| 07:54.13 | Semlar | are you sure you don't want us to argue some more? |
| 07:54.29 | foxlit | #wowuidev-is-useless. |
| 07:54.35 | Iriel | Iâll note that SetOverrideBinding was something I asked for and specced out 8-) |
| 07:54.38 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 07:54.42 | startxkdm | Lol. Nah, it's all good :P |
| 07:54.51 | startxkdm | Unless, you two are having fun! |
| 07:55.53 | Iriel | grrs at The Talos Principle - Where are my stars! |
| 07:56.07 | Fisker | I can give you stars Iriel |
| 07:56.09 | Fisker | metaphorical ones |
| 07:56.50 | Simca | yeah I think the design intent for SetOverrideBinding was something like how I use it in Pet Battles - I set up the override bindings when the pet battle starts and release them on pet battle end. |
| 07:57.07 | Iriel | Simca: Exactly |
| 07:57.31 | Semlar | i use it as a temporary binding, just for the entire duration that my addon is active |
| 07:58.13 | Simca | I suppose that works if you don't expect your addon to be used often |
| 07:58.30 | Semlar | when would it ever be a problem |
| 07:59.00 | Simca | it's kind of confusing to a user to have the binding options split between your addon's config and the game menu controls config |
| 07:59.16 | Simca | in a situation where your addon will override whatever choices they're making |
| 07:59.22 | Semlar | ah, you're thinking my addon has options |
| 07:59.24 | Simca | in the official menu |
| 07:59.26 | startxkdm | Okay, out of curiosity. When you guys are programming an add-on, do you sit in WoW using the add-on Hack or Cube, and just make a bunch of snippets? |
| 07:59.53 | Simca | I think most people just use their text editor of choice, potentially with |
| 08:00.00 | Simca | Lua or WoW syntax highlighting |
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| 08:00.16 | startxkdm | Yeah, I use Notepad++ also. But when I'm compiling the entire deal |
| 08:00.24 | Iriel | I usually mount the disk from my mac and use emacs there |
| 08:00.39 | Semlar | i just design and debug the entire thing in my mind |
| 08:00.47 | Simca | lol |
| 08:00.53 | Semlar | and decide i really didn't want to write it anyway |
| 08:00.57 | startxkdm | Haha. I wish. Incredible being a nab... |
| 08:01.01 | Simca | that's more like it |
| 08:01.47 | Semlar | >_> |
| 08:02.38 | startxkdm | If anything, you sit there wondering.. why, am I doing this, and not raiding! |
| 08:03.08 | Semlar | i could be watching dr who right now |
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| 08:03.15 | startxkdm | ^ |
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| 08:11.37 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/smoke.jpg << nobody will suspect a thing |
| 08:12.24 | Fisker | I'll know |
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| 08:27.31 | znf | How the f* do you solo Thorim? |
| 08:27.41 | Semlar | bring a friend |
| 08:28.18 | znf | !? |
| 08:28.30 | foxlit | just run. |
| 08:28.37 | znf | where?! |
| 08:28.39 | Semlar | i assume he still despawns if there isn't someone in the middle room |
| 08:28.52 | foxlit | to thorim :) |
| 08:28.56 | Semlar | there's a tunnel that opens on the side that goes to the boss |
| 08:29.08 | znf | my problem is more like... how do I open the lever? |
| 08:29.09 | Semlar | but if you don't get down it fast enough it just despawns |
| 08:29.45 | znf | I can't stay for 10s untouched |
| 08:29.45 | znf | ... |
| 08:29.52 | foxlit | kill the mobs? |
| 08:30.02 | znf | I am? |
| 08:30.19 | znf | closest I got was ~8s, but then he hammer-slapped me |
| 08:30.33 | startxkdm | Thorim is fixed, mobs don't despawn now. |
| 08:30.35 | Semlar | i don't think i ever had a problem opening the door |
| 08:30.35 | foxlit | dunno. I don't remember anything particularly problematic about him. |
| 08:30.48 | znf | says the hunter... |
| 08:30.52 | Semlar | it's been a long time since i tried to solo ulduar |
| 08:31.04 | startxkdm | Just soloed it 2 weeks ago. |
| 08:31.05 | foxlit | <druid; it didn't reset. |
| 08:31.25 | znf | can't keep the mobs away from me :-/ |
| 08:31.32 | Semlar | kill them |
| 08:32.07 | Simca | just run in to the fight and aoe to start it, killing them all, then immediately use the lever |
| 08:32.09 | znf | they spawn too fast O.O |
| 08:32.22 | Simca | you should be 1shotting them basically |
| 08:32.42 | znf | I can't 1-shot 10 mobs... |
| 08:32.52 | Simca | you have 0 aoe abilities? |
| 08:32.57 | Semlar | holy nova a few times |
| 08:33.25 | Semlar | i seem to recall standing around quite a long time trying to figure out what you were supposed to do on that fight |
| 08:33.26 | znf | I don't have holy nova anymore... |
| 08:33.36 | Semlar | and whose fault is that |
| 08:33.42 | Simca | his, its a glyph |
| 08:33.56 | Semlar | what about mind sear or whatever |
| 08:34.13 | znf | holy nova is disc only now |
| 08:34.17 | znf | or holy |
| 08:34.20 | znf | who the fuck knows |
| 08:36.02 | znf | made it |
| 08:36.11 | Semlar | i knew you could do it! |
| 08:36.29 | Simca | semlar the believer |
| 08:38.50 | znf | with Mind Sear, the target mob dies too fast :P |
| 08:40.48 | karl_w_w | can't you cast it on the tank? |
| 08:41.50 | Semlar | cast it on yourself! |
| 08:42.55 | startxkdm | Allright. GetFramerate() is working, but how in the world do you get it to display only one decimal point, or even none. o.O |
| 08:43.05 | Semlar | floor it? |
| 08:43.17 | Semlar | normally you'd use string.format |
| 08:43.28 | startxkdm | Oh fun. lol |
| 08:43.38 | Semlar | eg. format('%.1f', GetFrameRate()) |
| 08:45.46 | startxkdm | Ty ty ty |
| 08:46.06 | znf | I'm alone... |
| 08:46.09 | znf | and no, I can't cast it on myself |
| 08:46.46 | Semlar | what about your shadow fiend |
| 08:47.48 | znf | doesn't matter now, it's done |
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| 08:49.34 | znf | I have no idea where to go now |
| 08:49.38 | znf | I killed mimiron, now what? |
| 08:52.54 | znf | they really need to fix Tab-Targetting :( |
| 09:04.06 | Semlar | :( |
| 09:06.26 | Constie | You should kill the other bosses. |
| 09:06.28 | Constie | And loot them. |
| 09:19.10 | Constie | Suffer not the dragon to live. |
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| 09:43.15 | karl_w_w | znf if you're alone how is the target of your mind sear dying? |
| 09:44.24 | znf | karl_w_w, I can target it on mobs...?! |
| 09:44.39 | znf | and since 5.1 or so, mind sear also does damage to the target |
| 09:44.51 | karl_w_w | oh I didn't know that |
| 09:45.13 | znf | actually I think it's since 4.x |
| 09:49.32 | Semlar | then how come it doesn't kill friendlies |
| 09:57.20 | Constie | I wish it did. |
| 09:58.08 | Constie | Although then I wouldn't cast anything else, and that would probably end up lowering my DPS at least some of the time. |
| 10:03.58 | Semlar | lowers constie's dps |
| 10:04.28 | Constie | They actually really should make it not damage the target so that there's no possibility of Mind Sear being better than Mind Flay against one target, so they can feel free to increase MS's damage more. |
| 10:04.58 | Constie | But I guess the Insanity change kind of took care of that. |
| 10:05.30 | Semlar | they should make it damage the priest |
| 10:05.49 | Semlar | and you should be able to cast it on yourself |
| 10:06.23 | Constie | I'd like that for avoiding repair bills. |
| 10:11.21 | mikma | semlar: fix navi |
| 10:11.36 | Constie | You have one job, Semlar. Come on. |
| 10:11.56 | Semlar | what's wrong with it |
| 10:12.47 | Semlar | i consider breaking twitter links a feature |
| 10:13.17 | mikma | hah |
| 10:13.59 | mikma | semlar: https://play.spotify.com/track/6bLrpN46HQU6gHngETWqYD?play=true&utm_source=open.spotify.com&utm_medium=open |
| 10:15.29 | mikma | also, buttstallion is worth 6,750,000,000$ - https://www.facebook.com/borderlandsgame/photos/a.137673624080.103823.104080139080/10152887826524081/?type=1 |
| 10:16.28 | mikma | heh, that's Sandstorm playing in the background |
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| 10:42.36 | mikma | is there an addon that eats up minimap buttons and puts them in somewhere |
| 10:43.10 | Semlar | several |
| 10:43.19 | mikma | what's the best then |
| 10:43.24 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 10:43.47 | mikma | pfff |
| 10:44.04 | mikma | join my minecraft server so i can explode you |
| 10:44.18 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/mbb |
| 10:44.24 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/minimap-button-frame |
| 10:45.12 | Semlar | i've never used either one so i can't say what's different |
| 10:45.30 | mikma | me neither |
| 10:45.58 | mikma | but current situation seems to be the fact that lots of addons have gotten a minimapbutton in the past |
| 10:46.07 | Semlar | i have no minimap buttons period because i replaced my minimap with a custom addon and never bothered writing something like this for it |
| 10:46.22 | mikma | previously i had like 5 buttons, now i have about 10 |
| 10:47.57 | Semlar | the only time i've really missed minimap buttons was trying to use bugsack without one |
| 10:48.03 | Semlar | it's basically unusable |
| 10:50.50 | mikma | oh lord |
| 10:51.07 | mikma | you can move around the minimapbuttons in MBB and it sticks them where you move them |
| 10:51.11 | mikma | and the other....... |
| 10:51.13 | mikma | oh lord |
| 10:51.22 | mikma | you have to see this, semlar ... moment |
| 10:52.16 | mikma | semlar: http://pbrd.co/1BgRNGM |
| 10:52.21 | mikma | B-E-A-UUUUUTIFUL! |
| 10:53.01 | Semlar | i think that's what it's supposed to look like, aside from the button's background texture |
| 10:53.16 | mikma | yes, but the button.. aww hell no |
| 10:53.32 | Semlar | that could be caused by something else skinning it or maybe the template they're using does something different now |
| 10:57.04 | Semlar | or maybe it has skins |
| 10:57.52 | mikma | i disabled skins, it was only for the buttons. but the button doesn't change |
| 10:57.55 | mikma | nor it can be changed |
| 10:58.23 | Semlar | it doesn't look like that in their screenshots |
| 10:58.49 | mikma | it looks pretty in their ss |
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| 11:26.52 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.03 | Torhal | fails at typing, apparently. |
| 11:27.12 | Semlar | gently pats torhal |
| 11:27.18 | startxkdm | Isn't there a simple way to display total add-on memory usage with GetAddOnMemoryUsage()? |
| 11:28.52 | zenzelezz | I swear Elite: Dangerous keeps trolling me. Entire empty spacestations, and what spot does it keep giving me? One immediately inside the gate, which makes for some annoying acrobatics |
| 11:29.12 | Semlar | iterate from 1 to GetNumAddOns() and add it up? |
| 11:30.04 | startxkdm | Kind of what seems is needed to be done. |
| 11:31.30 | Semlar | how are people post-hooking SetItemRef or ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow without throwing an error when someone clicks a custom hyperlink |
| 11:32.22 | Semlar | i'm looking at two addons that post hook this to avoid social ui taint but i'm not sure how they're avoiding errors |
| 11:33.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.46 | mikma | can't you create links without hooking the OnHyperlinkShow |
| 11:35.55 | Semlar | yes, i can create a link |
| 11:36.03 | Semlar | clicking on it sends it to blizzard's link handler which breaks |
| 11:36.13 | Semlar | which is why i had to pre-hook it in my addon |
| 11:36.23 | mikma | and there's no way of adding your own function without hooking |
| 11:36.27 | Semlar | but if i pre-hook it i taint it and break socialui |
| 11:36.41 | Torhal | Hooking is illegal in some places, Semlar. Be careful. |
| 11:42.29 | Semlar | you can't posthook anything because blizzard's link handler will break if it gets sent an invalid link type |
| 11:42.58 | Semlar | but at least 2 addons i've looked at posthook the link function |
| 11:43.06 | Semlar | and i don't understand how they could possibly not be throwing errors |
| 11:46.45 | Torhal | Test? |
| 11:46.50 | Torhal | Or hook Fisker. |
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| 11:47.38 | Fisker | Endlösung time Torhal |
| 11:48.24 | Semlar | it just.. doesn't work |
| 11:49.05 | Semlar | doesn't WA use custom links too |
| 11:49.50 | Semlar | Stanzilla: did you have to deal with this |
| 11:50.50 | Semlar | this is your fault mikma, because my addon works perfectly fine unless you need to use your social links or whatever is causing the problem |
| 11:51.03 | Semlar | i don't even have twitter activated |
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| 12:04.47 | Torhal | #SemlarBlamesMikma |
| 12:12.08 | mikma | \o/ |
| 12:12.51 | mikma | can mobs and bosses crit you? |
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| 12:35.51 | karl_w_w | not if you crit them first! |
| 12:49.18 | znf | Does anyone know if iOS has a native sip stack? (like android does) |
| 12:49.28 | znf | ie: something to integrate in the default dialer, like android does |
| 12:50.01 | zenzelezz | it didn't in the 3-series, but no clue now :-p |
| 13:00.54 | Kalroth | http://full.pr0gramm.com/2015/03/21/3dc986bf715b8e55.jpg rooar |
| 13:02.14 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 13:05.44 | Fisker | Why won't installers stop this Kalroth ? |
| 13:06.06 | Fisker | Why didn't Microsoft make some kind of mandatory design requirement for windows applications? |
| 13:06.20 | Fisker | WHY DO I HAVE TO GET A POPUP THAT GETS IMMEDIATELY DISMISSED BECAUSE I'M CHATTING ON IRC? |
| 13:07.11 | foxlit | Semlar: i'm looking at two addons that post hook this to avoid social ui taint but i'm not sure how they're avoiding errors << bonus question: why does it even taint the social ui? |
| 13:08.06 | Kalroth | Fisker: that's a lot of questions and i'm afraid i do not have a lot of answers |
| 13:08.11 | Fisker | Damnit |
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| 13:19.50 | Fisker | my mouse is doing morse it appears Kalroth |
| 13:21.16 | Kalroth | it is NSA again |
| 13:21.30 | Kalroth | they have installed a TOR node in the firmware on your mouse |
| 13:21.51 | Kalroth | and they're trying to lure Snowden into communicating with it |
| 13:22.08 | Fisker | aaaaaaah |
| 13:22.16 | Fisker | shutting down my mouse worked |
| 13:23.35 | Fisker | I don't want to reboot :( |
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| 13:26.50 | karl_w_w | harhar Fisker got moused |
| 13:55.04 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/03/21/7755a254bb5f087f.jpg take a breath of fresh air |
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| 14:11.06 | karl_w_w | god dammit Fisker |
| 14:11.13 | karl_w_w | I just lost to a 1 in 300 |
| 14:11.46 | Fisker | good |
| 14:12.50 | karl_w_w | BibleThump |
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| 18:41.30 | Simca | exporting Astrolabe's initial values and comparing them against DBC data to find out what it does wrong |
| 18:43.18 | mikma | funtimes |
| 18:45.37 | Simca | foxlit: minor exp calculation bug - http://i.imgur.com/ZBlEn5E.png vs http://i.imgur.com/m7EjwNs.png - the two epic followers in the first pic have exp training trait, so in theory they should get more exp. However, there is only one follower who needs exp, and he only needs 14181 exp to epic. Because of this, the 95% + two exp training traits comes out worse than 100% + one exp training trait and shouldn't be listed first. |
| 18:46.46 | znf | are you a wizard, Simca? |
| 18:47.30 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/3fW4e4A.jpg |
| 19:12.12 | Stanzilla | Semlar: yes, sylvanaar and I had problems with it in chatter/prat |
| 19:12.28 | Fisker | Maybe I had them too |
| 19:18.48 | Simca | heh, that's cute. i never knew it printed a little comment if it had to skip outputting a function - http://i.imgur.com/gr7c4Ou.png |
| 19:19.23 | zenzelezz | travelling around in Elite: Dangerous to get a few star systems away, and during one of the steps I get a (seemingly) random direct message... "pewpewpew". Nothing more; no sign of the guy. Wonder if he had intended to take me on |
| 19:20.20 | Fisker | Don't be silly zenzelezz how would "pewpewpew" be threatening in any way? |
| 19:22.14 | zenzelezz | you're right; he probably just wanted to discuss church furniture |
| 19:24.07 | zenzelezz | reminds me of a guild name back in Anarchy Online, "liek omg lazers pew pew". Made for amusing combat messages... "Your towers are being attacked by liek omg lazers pew pew" |
| 19:24.35 | Fisker | lol |
| 19:33.54 | foxlit | Simca: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/tickets/348 yawn. |
| 19:34.50 | Simca | oic |
| 19:44.54 | foxlit | but how would you fix that? |
| 19:47.46 | Simca | you could fix this specific instance by reranking the possible groups by real XP gain at the very end |
| 19:47.58 | Simca | after it had discarded the other alternatives |
| 19:59.30 | foxlit | the other survivor isn't necessarily better, probably. |
| 20:00.07 | Simca | well, it is obviously better XP |
| 20:00.12 | Simca | it may not bring more followers to cap |
| 20:00.43 | Simca | but at least when you show 2 options to the user, the one that brings more XP is always first |
| 20:01.11 | Simca | as long as the one that brings the most people to cap is in the list, I'm not sure it matters that it is first |
| 20:04.23 | foxlit | nah, still don't like it. |
| 20:06.26 | Simca | oh well |
| 20:07.09 | fewyn | you know what's cool? i don't even have to go to nagrand anymore on alts with heirlooms + full rested |
| 20:07.47 | Simca | foxlit: you could record the number of followers who will hit cap based on the real XP gain of the group, then order by # of followers to cap first and exp second |
| 20:07.51 | foxlit | in some cases, the first suggestion is intentionally earning less real xp than the second; forcefully sorting them clobbers that. |
| 20:08.00 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/F5uMx |
| 20:09.29 | Simca | in my example, the first mission only results in (on average) 0.95 followers capping XP. the second mission results in 1 follower capping XP |
| 20:10.10 | Simca | i'm not sure how badly that would wreck performance though |
| 20:12.17 | foxlit | correctness is kind of more important |
| 20:12.48 | Simca | this is more correct though |
| 20:13.33 | Simca | if your reasoning for adding the fake XP in the first place is to value capping followers over XP, then you should just sort by capping followers first and XP second |
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| 20:15.40 | Simca | depending on the amount of fake XP you're adding, the only case that suggestion would change is one where the first listed mission is one that you would never actually take (because it is inferior in every way to the other options) |
| 20:16.01 | foxlit | except I merely wanted to avoid a situation where a follower at 99999/100000 is never dinged. |
| 20:16.13 | foxlit | wasted xp is still bad :) |
| 20:19.53 | Simca | you're worried that sorting by "followers capping from mission" before real XP gain might change -all- mission suggestions to variations of the same group (capping the 1-2 followers you need) whereas currently your fake XP is low enough that it can be overtaken by very successful groups gaining a really high amount of real XP? |
| 20:20.02 | Simca | (at least that's the only concern I can think of) |
| 20:22.46 | foxlit | right, I think that extending the xp cap is a smaller potential distortion |
| 20:26.57 | foxlit | while expected number of capped followers seems somewhat wild (0.1 capped followers + X xp vs 0 capped followers + >3X xp) |
| 20:29.27 | Simca | yeah the only easy solution I see is sorting by weighted XP where weighted XP = number of capping followers * SOME_CONSTANT + Real XP |
| 20:31.33 | foxlit | the solution i had in mind was to store who benefits from xp in each group, and, if those are identical, compare on real xp only. |
| 20:32.27 | Simca | yeah that is probably the best way to do it |
| 20:33.58 | foxlit | it might break sorting. |
| 20:34.24 | foxlit | (i.e. claim that a > b > c > a) |
| 20:36.08 | Simca | I guess you could just do a once-over pass at the very end of sorting and only compare adjacent results |
| 20:36.52 | Simca | that way you would never compare a vs c on real XP if they had identical benefiting followers |
| 20:56.16 | Semlar | Stanzilla: did you come up with a solution for making custom links? |
| 21:01.04 | jnwhiteh | oh shit |
| 21:01.06 | Stanzilla | Semlar: yeah we RawHook SetHyperlink |
| 21:01.08 | jnwhiteh | i have heirlooms |
| 21:01.13 | jnwhiteh | i should use those for levelling |
| 21:01.15 | jnwhiteh | do they scale to 100? |
| 21:01.26 | Stanzilla | if you upgrade them, yes |
| 21:01.39 | jnwhiteh | huh.. you can upgrade heirlooms |
| 21:01.46 | Maldivia | you can now :) |
| 21:02.01 | jnwhiteh | I know nothing |
| 21:02.14 | Maldivia | well, was just added with latest patch :) |
| 21:03.21 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 21:03.32 | jnwhiteh | I know 0 about what happened in MoP |
| 21:03.37 | jnwhiteh | and possibly less about WoD |
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| 21:04.26 | Maldivia | we discovered a mystical island, and wrecked havoc there, and now we're going back in time to wreck havoc there |
| 21:04.32 | Stanzilla | just forget MoP, it was terrible |
| 21:04.41 | jnwhiteh | I did |
| 21:04.50 | jnwhiteh | I used the char boost |
| 21:04.53 | jnwhiteh | i couldn't handle it. |
| 21:05.00 | Stanzilla | good! |
| 21:05.00 | jnwhiteh | all I would have done was level in dungeons |
| 21:05.02 | jnwhiteh | non-stop |
| 21:05.14 | Maldivia | mop... isn't that something you use to clean the floor |
| 21:07.51 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: *wreak :o |
| 21:08.40 | Maldivia | oh yeah, the other is a shipwreck :) |
| 21:09.10 | Maldivia | oh well |
| 21:11.18 | Semlar | i actually have ItemRefTooltip.SetHyperlink = function commented out in this script already |
| 21:11.55 | Semlar | i wonder why i decided not to do that |
| 21:16.57 | Semlar | mikma: replace ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow with ItemRefTooltip.SetHyperlink |
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| 21:18.14 | karl_w_w | sometimes when i turn the flashlight on on my phone it makes a loud pop noise |
| 21:26.08 | mikma | semlar: ok |
| 21:26.30 | Semlar | 2 instances of it |
| 21:26.38 | Simca | hm. either astrolabe is doing this wrong or wow is doing it wrong or both |
| 21:27.16 | Semlar | maybe you just think it's doing it wrong |
| 21:27.19 | Simca | what astrolabe calls floor 2 of this map is floorIndex 1 in the DBC. in astrolabe, floor 1 is nil |
| 21:27.42 | Semlar | which map |
| 21:28.03 | Simca | it has floors 0, 2-15. DBC has floors 1-14 (and floor 0 is the map's base coordinates, so that is accounted for) |
| 21:28.06 | Simca | 953 |
| 21:28.32 | Simca | so one of them is doing it wrong |
| 21:29.09 | Semlar | it's because it uses the terrain map |
| 21:29.45 | Simca | ? |
| 21:29.56 | Simca | why would that cause a random nil floor to be inserted? |
| 21:30.44 | Semlar | the base map isn't a dungeon map |
| 21:31.10 | Primer | Simca: So what's going on with the Astrolabe fork? Are you guys still deciding what's the best approach? |
| 21:31.31 | Simca | no, it's just that the best approach takes further debugging |
| 21:31.49 | Simca | I have to figure out why Astrolabe is missing so much floor data now |
| 21:32.18 | Simca | Semlar: the game's API says it is floor 1 apparently |
| 21:32.27 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.34 | Semlar | if DungeonUsesTerrainMap() you subtract 1 from its floors |
| 21:32.39 | Simca | returns worldMapID 953, floorIndex 1 |
| 21:33.21 | Simca | oh, so Astrolabe offsets that by adding 1 to the floors when it adds them? |
| 21:33.35 | Semlar | it should be subtracting 1 |
| 21:34.12 | Simca | it would be 0% surprising if Astrolabe was broken in Dungeons because nobody uses it for that |
| 21:34.33 | Simca | like literally nobody maybe |
| 21:34.37 | Semlar | i know for a fact it used to work |
| 21:34.45 | Primer | It would be more interesting to find out that's what was causing my addon to go into an infinite loop |
| 21:34.50 | Primer | when zoning |
| 21:35.08 | Primer | A problem I've never been able to figure out |
| 21:35.10 | Semlar | but i don't see DungeonUsesTerrainMap in tomtom's astrolabe |
| 21:35.19 | Primer | going on...4-5 years now? |
| 21:35.30 | Semlar | i don't know if someone removed it or what |
| 21:35.36 | Simca | tomtom's astrolabe is different from the official one by like 2 lines |
| 21:35.40 | Simca | and neither uses that |
| 21:35.52 | Simca | yeah it's not present in the official either |
| 21:36.35 | Simca | so I guess it is back to the drawing board on why astrolabe is taking the floor data and storing it wrong |
| 21:36.42 | Simca | when the API is giving it out right |
| 21:37.32 | Simca | Primer: part of it is that the map API is quirky as hell |
| 21:37.52 | Simca | if you GetMapInfo() when in a MoP capital, it will tell you that you are in vale |
| 21:38.11 | Simca | if you WorldMapFrame:Show() GetMapInfo() it will tell you are in the capital |
| 21:38.19 | Primer | nice |
| 21:38.27 | Semlar | for SetDungeonMapLevel, the return from GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel is correct |
| 21:39.16 | Simca | it should be using the modern API over ancient APIs that require setting maps when possible, and that means GetDungeonMapInfo's floor numbering |
| 21:39.17 | Semlar | but if you're referencing the texture paths for the map, and DungeonUsesTerrainMap() is true then you have to subtract 1 for the file name to be correct |
| 21:39.43 | Simca | oh you're talking for referencing the LUA globals of the names? |
| 21:39.48 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:39.56 | Simca | interesting |
| 21:40.10 | Simca | I don't think astrolabe supports floor names atm |
| 21:41.13 | Semlar | you can't get all information about a map without setting it to the current map though |
| 21:41.24 | Simca | you can get floor numbering |
| 21:42.22 | Simca | huh |
| 21:42.42 | Simca | odd, Astrolabe code looks like it should be working fine |
| 21:43.42 | Simca | it's literally just taking the first return of GetDungeonMapInfo and using that as the floor number, like it should be. However, when I do GetDungeonMapInfo(789 |
| 21:43.42 | Simca | ), the first return (floor) is 1. but it is storing that floor's data as 2. |
| 21:44.38 | Simca | oh, I see. it only uses GetDungeonMapInfo if it detects the flag for a micro dungeon |
| 21:44.42 | Simca | weird. |
| 21:44.59 | Simca | it returns very accurate info for instances too, they should be using it for everything |
| 21:46.11 | Simca | the old set maps technique didn't work well for micro dungeons, so maybe they just added this section post-5.x and never bothered to revamp the old dungeon code that used the older method |
| 21:47.56 | Simca | Ah, Semlar they are accounting for it, but not by using the function |
| 21:48.06 | Simca | band(flags, WORLDMAPAREA_DEFAULT_DUNGEON_FLOOR_IS_TERRAIN) == WORLDMAPAREA_DEFAULT_DUNGEON_FLOOR_IS_TERRAIN ) |
| 21:48.33 | Simca | I guess that function is just a simple flag comparison, so they inline it |
| 21:50.11 | Simca | yeah, they define that constant as 0x00000004 and the flags for map 953 is 4. |
| 21:52.01 | Semlar | i see |
| 22:01.52 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/1426972064037.webm |
| 22:07.58 | znf | Simca the wizard |
| 22:10.14 | Simca | Semlar: you said that function indicates whether or not the first floor is a copy of the base, right? How come though there is an actual floor 1 here. |
| 22:15.47 | Simca | ohhhh, I see. DungeonUsesTerrainMap() means that there is no floor 0, and that the lowest floor that exists is floor 1. |
| 22:16.39 | znf | There aren't many moments that are sader in a single persons' life than when one realizes he forgot to put ice bags in the freezer and he has to drink his vodka without it :( |
| 22:19.53 | mikma | https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153190592246303 |
| 22:25.18 | Simca | ahhh, all of that code gets skipped because reasons |
| 22:26.13 | Simca | (it uses GetAreaMaps() and dungeons aren't in that function - I wonder how the data will change if I just replace that table with "for id = 1, 1200 do") |
| 22:32.59 | Simca | well |
| 22:33.09 | Simca | I guess that answers that: http://i.imgur.com/nn1BPiq.png |
| 22:36.21 | fewyn | this izombie tv show already feels cheesey |
| 22:42.17 | Primer | Simca: so what's the verdict? |
| 22:42.27 | Simca | lots more debugging |
| 22:42.38 | Primer | Let me know if I can help |
| 22:55.08 | znf | Stanzilla, http://www.twitch.tv/Znuff |
| 22:56.03 | Stanzilla | znf: what do you want me to look at |
| 22:56.44 | znf | oh, crap |
| 22:56.45 | znf | wait |
| 22:57.37 | Simca | debugging for pros: http://i.imgur.com/9NnCy0o.png |
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| 23:01.16 | znf | there we go, Stanzilla: http://www.twitch.tv/znuff/ |
| 23:01.28 | Simca | unbork x1, bork x15, rebork x14, rebork 2 x15. interesting. |
| 23:01.34 | Stanzilla | znf: what do you want me to look at |
| 23:04.22 | Stanzilla | okay I'll just finish watching my movie then :D |
| 23:04.53 | haste | znf: that doesn't look like cities sylines! |
| 23:05.39 | fewyn | huh izombie actually turned out to be pretty decent after the super cheesey opening |
| 23:05.59 | znf | Stanzilla, a silly game on steam, obviously! |
| 23:06.00 | znf | haste, shhhh |
| 23:11.28 | Semlar | Simca: dungeons are in GetAreaMaps, just not their floors |
| 23:11.47 | Semlar | otherwise you couldn't set the map to them |
| 23:12.14 | Simca | yeah i see that now |
| 23:12.20 | Semlar | using SetMapByID i mean |
| 23:12.26 | Simca | i'm even more confused as to why this astrolabe code doesn't work then |
| 23:13.05 | Semlar | the only issue with astrolabe the last time i checked was because they broke the order of the zone IDs which it never should have been using in the first place |
| 23:13.18 | Semlar | so i'm not sure what the problem is with it now |
| 23:13.59 | Semlar | the stupid SetMapZoom functions should be avoided altogether |
| 23:15.49 | Semlar | and i personally would replace the unit position functions with the api function they implemented, unless you need the map the player is on |
| 23:15.50 | Simca | -a- problem I've noticed is /dump DongleStub("Astrolabe-1.0").HarvestedMapData[953][1] is nil while /run SetMapByID(953) SetDungeonMapLevel(1) GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel() returns valid data |
| 23:16.24 | Simca | why Astrolabe has a random nil floor is the focus of my current debugging |
| 23:17.24 | Simca | at one point it literally does SetMapByID(953) SetDungeonMapLevel(1) GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel() in Astrolabe, so it's hard to figure out why it is not working out in the data it records |
| 23:21.26 | Stanzilla | I see you guys are having fun again |
| 23:22.32 | Simca | interesting, the game reports map 953 has 15 floors. but it only has 14 floors. |
| 23:22.48 | Stanzilla | cow level |
| 23:24.22 | Simca | the 'real' data: http://i.imgur.com/h6eg88K.png |
| 23:24.23 | Semlar | there are 15 floors |
| 23:24.34 | Simca | counting floor0? |
| 23:25.03 | tz | I believe when I struck that, floor1 was nil and assumed it was the same geometry as floor0 |
| 23:25.22 | Semlar | just look at the map in game, there are clearly 15 floors |
| 23:26.06 | Simca | interesting |
| 23:26.12 | tz | hmmm |
| 23:27.01 | tz | mine needed to map between encounters in EJ to positions on map, so I guess the nil map wasn't one of the encounter levels :s |
| 23:27.02 | Semlar | either 0 - 14 or 1 - 15 depending on how you want to count them |
| 23:27.29 | znf | I have no idea what I'm playing here :D |
| 23:28.03 | Simca | heh the error is in the API itself |
| 23:28.42 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.45 | Simca | returns only '1' |
| 23:28.51 | Simca | no coordinate data |
| 23:28.53 | Semlar | that's not an error |
| 23:29.09 | Semlar | DungeonUsesTerrainMap is true, so it's a zone |
| 23:29.23 | Semlar | so you do GetCurrentMapZone() |
| 23:29.42 | Semlar | or GetAreaMapInfo if you want |
| 23:29.57 | Simca | yeah, Astrolabe has a conditional for cases when the coordinates are nil where it just throws the entire floor away and moves up |
| 23:30.07 | Simca | that needs to be adjusted to consider this case I guess |
| 23:30.45 | tz | hmmm, I should probably fix mine in that respect too |
| 23:30.48 | Semlar | well it would be getting the coordinates from the area maps if it's scraping those |
| 23:31.00 | Simca | it isn't |
| 23:31.50 | Simca | well, it is scraping it but it isn't gathering coordinates from it (local terrainMapID, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, flags = GetAreaMapInfo(mapID)) |
| 23:32.15 | Semlar | it's using GetCurrentMapZone.. |
| 23:32.34 | Semlar | in harvestMapData |
| 23:33.19 | Simca | it never considers assigning that to floor 1 though, semlar |
| 23:33.25 | Semlar | it's not floor 1, it's floor 0 |
| 23:33.43 | Semlar | it should be subtracting 1 from the dungeon floors |
| 23:33.48 | Semlar | so they're 1-14 |
| 23:34.10 | Semlar | i don't know if that's what it's actually doing though |
| 23:34.17 | Simca | it definitely isn't |
| 23:35.25 | Simca | the DBCs may call it 0-14, but the API refers to it as 1-15 |
| 23:35.43 | Semlar | the api will always start with 1 |
| 23:35.46 | Simca | so I think Astrolabe should move floor 0 to floor 1 in cases where floor 1 is nil |
| 23:36.02 | Simca | so that Astrolabe will return 1-15 correctly instead of 0 + 2-15 |
| 23:36.30 | Simca | because in reality, people are going to use this for compatibility with the API, nobody uses the dbcs except a select few |
| 23:39.23 | Semlar | pretty sure it uses the harvested floor 0 data as floor 1 later |
| 23:39.57 | Semlar | where it checks the flags against WORLDMAPAREA_DEFAULT_DUNGEON_FLOOR_IS_TERRAIN |
| 23:41.13 | Simca | yeah, that is where it tries to compensate. I wonder why it fails. |
| 23:41.19 | Simca | going to add some debug statements there |
| 23:42.27 | Simca | just added a if mapID==953 then print("bork") end and it never appears |
| 23:42.40 | Simca | one part of that if condition is failing |
| 23:42.50 | Semlar | maybe the flag check is wrong |
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| 23:45.10 | Semlar | i don't think so though |
| 23:45.18 | Simca | oh god, I see the problem |
| 23:45.21 | Simca | I think |
| 23:45.33 | Semlar | it may be that mapData[f] exists |
| 23:45.38 | Simca | yeah, it has to be |
| 23:45.55 | Simca | I moved my debug statement up one level and it is still failing |
| 23:46.14 | Semlar | then what is it storing |
| 23:47.23 | Semlar | maybe it's the meta that forces it to return data |
| 23:47.34 | Semlar | i don't know if it's set at that point |
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| 23:48.25 | Semlar | harvestMapData should definitely not be storing anything for floor 1 |
| 23:48.53 | Simca | it is definitely nil all the way through atm so it isn't |
| 23:49.18 | Semlar | there is a meta table set at some point that forces it to return data for maps that don't exist, at least i thought there was |
| 23:49.49 | Semlar | the setmetatable(mapData, zeroData) |
| 23:50.06 | Simca | yeah |
| 23:50.13 | Semlar | but that should be after this |
| 23:51.24 | Semlar | i guess i should enable this so i can actually look myself |
| 23:51.55 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.36 | Semlar | well, i put a print statement after the check for DUNGEON_FLOOR_IS_TERRAIN and it certainly is printing for mapID 953 |
| 23:56.13 | Semlar | if mapID == 953 then print(mapID, f, 'HEYOOO') end |
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| 23:56.26 | Semlar | so that block is being run |
| 23:58.14 | Semlar | i don't think this is being saved |
| 23:58.36 | Semlar | it's not editing the original table |
| 23:59.18 | Simca | oh, it's putting the result into a local table, WorldMapSize, I guess |
| 23:59.55 | Semlar | so you're dumping something different from what it's working with |
