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| 00:46.01 | tz | ugh, my kingdom for a UnitAuraByID() |
| 00:56.52 | nevcairiel | why, iterating isnt exactly hard |
| 00:57.51 | tz | I know, but I'm lazy |
| 00:57.55 | kd3 | yay, I may be moving to san fran |
| 00:59.30 | Ressy | pokes Zeldo |
| 01:07.04 | fewyn | hurrah flash is back tonight |
| 01:09.43 | kd3 | oh shit. sewage is backflowing up the river and flooding one of my suburbs |
| 01:09.47 | kd3 | (I haven't built a dam!) |
| 01:10.23 | tz | go get a paddly |
| 01:10.25 | tz | paddle |
| 01:10.29 | tz | 'cause you're up shit creek |
| 01:13.16 | kd3 | yay for having just started my session... loaded the save and installed some pumps where the water level's risen. wtf wow |
| 01:14.38 | Neffi | Anyone have experience with WD Elements externals? Thoughts? Newegg has a 4 TB one for $120 right now marked down from $220. This price seems way too good to not be suspicious. |
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| 01:19.55 | Semlar | it looks like the connector is one of those super thin ones |
| 01:20.33 | Neffi | yeah I don't mind that |
| 01:20.37 | Neffi | I dont even have usb3 |
| 01:20.51 | Semlar | could break if you unplug it a lot |
| 01:21.29 | Neffi | it'd be semi-permanent |
| 01:21.49 | Neffi | i'd probably only take it on the go occassionally. going with external because laptop, can't stick an internal drive in there |
| 01:22.12 | Semlar | it's probably fine |
| 01:22.38 | Semlar | my experience with prepackaged external drives has not been great |
| 01:22.56 | Neffi | I'm wary because it'd cost more for me to buy a cheap WD Green, let alone an enclosure too. And now I see the warranty is 1 year. |
| 01:23.04 | Semlar | green drives suuuck |
| 01:23.20 | Neffi | it's for storing movies and such. speed is of no concern. |
| 01:23.44 | Semlar | i have a green drive in my computer and it shuts itself off so every time you want to access it it has to spin up again |
| 01:23.50 | Neffi | but I just meant that it's cheaper than the a cheap as hell bare drive, so what the hell? |
| 01:24.00 | Neffi | you can disable that, Semlar |
| 01:24.05 | fewyn | i hate the green drives |
| 01:24.10 | fewyn | how do you do it Neffi |
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| 01:24.22 | Neffi | hmm, lemme see if I can find it |
| 01:24.37 | Semlar | well, it's fine because i never use it for anything any more |
| 01:24.42 | Semlar | actually i think it may have died |
| 01:24.49 | Semlar | i'm not sure which one was the green drive |
| 01:25.55 | Semlar | i have 2 identical 4tb seagates in there now that only get used for recording video |
| 01:26.17 | znf | karl_w_w, what's your population? |
| 01:26.43 | Neffi | I dunno, I know you can do it. Google around for your drive and "head parking". |
| 01:27.07 | Neffi | Semlar: Seagates consistently get the poorest reliability ratings. I'd rather go WD or HGST |
| 01:28.18 | Semlar | i've had more WD drives fail than seagates |
| 01:28.42 | Semlar | it's a coin toss as to how long any drive you buy is going to last |
| 01:28.44 | Neffi | nice sample size |
| 01:28.48 | Neffi | that's true |
| 01:29.14 | Semlar | i mean literally, you can buy two identical drives and one will die within a month and the other one could last 5 years |
| 01:29.18 | Neffi | I hear about more problems with Seagates than anything. I hear about much more Seagate hate. And published tests usually confirm that Seagates are less reliable. |
| 01:29.38 | Semlar | marketing |
| 01:29.40 | Neffi | on average, of course. it's a lottery, kinda |
| 01:30.33 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/01/hard-disk-reliability-examined-once-more-hgst-rules-seagate-is-alarming/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/putting-hard-drive-reliability-to-the-test-shows-not-all-disks-are-equal/ two tests a year apart |
| 01:31.37 | Semlar | i've seen it |
| 01:31.51 | Neffi | I used to think WD was the best but their reliability I hear is not as stellar as people claim |
| 01:32.03 | Neffi | HGST is supposed to be better I think |
| 01:33.40 | Semlar | "After reading the source report, there's actually one model of Seagate drive that had a 120% failure rate, and another that did have a 25% annual rate. The number of these drives used is relatively tiny, but those rates are staggering." |
| 01:37.26 | jleclanche | Neffi: hgst is shit |
| 01:37.39 | jleclanche | Neffi: Hitachi, the old company before they were bought by WD, was excellent |
| 01:38.01 | jleclanche | but ive had three fresh failures on new-gen hgst drives, it's bullshit |
| 01:38.07 | jleclanche | (out of seven drives) |
| 01:38.15 | jleclanche | WD doesn't fare much better |
| 01:38.25 | Ressy | my wd blacks lasted me 6 yrs. |
| 01:38.41 | jleclanche | drives can always last a long time |
| 01:38.48 | jleclanche | what matters is what the odds are for them to fail |
| 01:39.04 | Semlar | that's impressive though because the blacks run hot and tend to die quicker |
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| 01:39.47 | kullervo | Semlar: 120% failure rate. How. |
| 01:40.00 | Semlar | they failed so hard they took out other drives |
| 01:40.03 | kullervo | Is this like that one surgeon who achieved a 300% mortality rate in an operation? |
| 01:40.36 | jleclanche | seagate is the worst though |
| 01:40.59 | jleclanche | seagates don't die early, but they have a much higher failure rate after a year or two |
| 01:41.05 | jleclanche | fucking scary |
| 01:41.17 | jleclanche | the buyer's guide of hard disk drives is "don't' |
| 01:41.24 | jleclanche | get a samsung ssd |
| 01:41.29 | jleclanche | or a VPS |
| 01:41.59 | kullervo | sandisk has lower failure rate than samsung |
| 01:42.02 | kullervo | would you believe |
| 01:42.08 | jleclanche | on ssds? |
| 01:42.23 | jleclanche | the non-pros are pretty shit from samsung's lines |
| 01:42.31 | jleclanche | but the samsung pros are the most reliable |
| 01:42.49 | kullervo | yeah on SSDs |
| 01:42.53 | Semlar | yeah well you generally get what you pay for |
| 01:43.02 | jleclanche | (Sent from my Samsung 512GB 840 Pro) |
| 01:43.38 | kullervo | my laptop has a first generation kingston whateverthefuckitwas |
| 01:43.53 | jleclanche | the way i see it, there's three tiers of people who care about storage |
| 01:44.14 | jleclanche | 1. those that want some decent amount of storage on their computer for personal use. get one or two large SSDs, it's *worth it* |
| 01:45.03 | jleclanche | 2. those that want a fairly large amount of personal storage for data they don't use on a regular basis. get a vps, get a dropbox or whatever - you don't deal with drives, you don't deal with backups etc. your data is safe and it's probably the best option |
| 01:45.53 | jleclanche | 3. those that want a *really* large amount of personal storage because they watch their porn in HD. invest in a lot of mid-range HDDs and set up proper arrays with backups and so on. |
| 01:46.02 | Neffi | you seem to assume everyone has assloads of disposable income and go for premium just because 'why not' |
| 01:46.04 | Neffi | the EVO line is fine |
| 01:46.21 | kullervo | jleclanche: you seem to have some weird preconceptions about motivational material being valuable enough to backup |
| 01:46.23 | Neffi | and I'd gladly go for a few terabytes of SSD storage if you're offering to pay for it |
| 01:47.19 | jleclanche | the evo line dies early and hard-locks when it does |
| 01:47.31 | Neffi | yeah I just wanna be able to store an appreciable amount of HD movie rips and music without having to go "fuck I need to uninstall this game I havent played in a month" |
| 01:47.32 | jleclanche | prevents reads and writes, it's stupid |
| 01:47.53 | kullervo | jleclanche: isn't that the intel failure mode? |
| 01:48.11 | jleclanche | intels go read-only i believe |
| 01:48.21 | kullervo | until the first reboot |
| 01:48.27 | kullervo | which probably happens instantly if it's the system drive |
| 01:48.50 | jleclanche | i had a sandisk issd fail on me during a move .. the worst fucking feeling |
| 01:49.05 | jleclanche | so, yeah, if you don't give a shit about your time and data, go for something cheap, but then you're unlikely to care enough about ssds in the first place |
| 01:49.37 | Neffi | I'm just familiar with what it's like to be broke. I see you're not. ;) |
| 01:49.37 | kullervo | I had my home server's hdd fail when I installed another drive to back up the data and remove the old drive |
| 01:49.49 | jleclanche | Neffi: fuck off with your assumptions |
| 01:49.53 | jleclanche | really |
| 01:50.09 | Neffi | seems a pretty well founded assumption with how you're speaking |
| 01:50.37 | jleclanche | evidently not |
| 01:51.18 | kullervo | Neffi: I remember being broke, I'm not exactly well off, but electronics are my hobby so I buy good shit |
| 01:51.26 | jleclanche | and there's a difference between "assloads of disposable income" and "enough disposable income to invest into basic insurance in critical parts" |
| 01:52.00 | kullervo | it's not the parts you're supposed to have backups for but data |
| 01:52.12 | Neffi | and there's a big difference between enough disposable income to be able to afford premium parts, and no disposable income whatsoever and barely able to manage a cheap external |
| 01:52.27 | Neffi | apparently we have different defnitions of 'broke' |
| 01:52.28 | kullervo | if the data isn't worth the hdd's price, then it's not worth having fast/local backups |
| 01:52.36 | Neffi | you don't get to say you're broke if you can afford premium, in my book |
| 01:53.09 | jleclanche | Neffi: are you trying to steer shit? because the word "broke" was said four times and every time by you. |
| 01:53.25 | kullervo | jleclanche: oh I said it once too, in context of once being something |
| 01:53.35 | jleclanche | yes but I have you on ignore kullervo so it's ok! |
| 01:53.38 | jleclanche | (kidding) |
| 01:53.45 | kullervo | (I could tell) |
| 01:53.47 | jleclanche | Neffi: I said "enough disposable income to invest into basic insurance in critical parts", I don't know how I can lawyer it up any better |
| 01:53.48 | Neffi | <jleclanche> Neffi: fuck off with your assumptions <- yeah, because this was totally a reasonable response |
| 01:54.03 | kullervo | http://mfw.dy.fi/i/Awp0c.gif |
| 01:54.07 | jleclanche | it was an unreasonable assumption, you got what you asked. |
| 01:54.35 | Neffi | no, it was you taking a jest way to fucking seriously. get over yourself. |
| 01:55.21 | jleclanche | Neffi: I'm answering to you out of courtesy; if you don't want to speak to me, don't speak to me. |
| 01:56.12 | Neffi | I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but glad to see you're on the morally superior end of this. |
| 01:56.12 | jleclanche | you don't get to piss off others, call it "jest", and then say "well, dur, get over yourself" |
| 01:57.01 | Neffi | I didn't see me pissing off anyone, but I guess some people are touchy |
| 01:57.24 | jleclanche | are you trolling or what? |
| 01:57.42 | jleclanche | nevermind I'm done with this |
| 01:57.51 | Neffi | Glad to hear. |
| 01:58.10 | Neffi | So any further constructive opinions on cheap large-ish external drives? |
| 01:58.52 | jleclanche | I've given you three options. it'd help if you stated your budget... |
| 01:59.20 | jleclanche | and how much storage you actually need, and what you need it for (is it critical, is it "i dont care" data...) |
| 02:00.10 | Neffi | $150-200 max, at least a couple terabytes, non-important data |
| 02:00.25 | Stanzilla | wb black/red |
| 02:00.27 | Stanzilla | *WD |
| 02:00.40 | jleclanche | wd mybooks are decent as external |
| 02:00.43 | Neffi | one of them and an enclosure will run me more than that |
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| 02:01.03 | Stanzilla | red is cheaper |
| 02:01.04 | jleclanche | I'd get two separate 1tb mybooks |
| 02:01.09 | Stanzilla | I think I paid 199 euros |
| 02:01.19 | Neffi | I started this off by asking why the WD Elements is so cheap and if they're trustworthy, jleclanche |
| 02:01.27 | Neffi | the Book is like $20 more, so that's doable too |
| 02:01.40 | jleclanche | i havent tested the Elements series |
| 02:01.48 | jleclanche | you could ask in #datahoarder |
| 02:01.56 | jleclanche | someone probably has |
| 02:02.24 | Neffi | there's an irc channel for everything <_< |
| 02:02.27 | Neffi | thanks |
| 02:02.30 | jleclanche | but i mean |
| 02:03.00 | jleclanche | from what you're telling me id put you in the 2nd tier i mentioned earlier |
| 02:03.05 | kd3 | heh, there are dogs in skylines |
| 02:03.20 | kd3 | just saw one casually waiting at a bus stop |
| 02:03.28 | jleclanche | 2 terabytes of storage is fairly easy to get your hands on, online |
| 02:03.33 | jleclanche | and you get proper backups and all |
| 02:03.57 | kullervo | kd3: does it use the public transit? |
| 02:04.09 | kd3 | yup, it was following an uneducated child around |
| 02:04.11 | Neffi | I have a VPS with a bit of storage on it. That's fine for stuff I wanna hold onto and not access frequently. My full rip of all South Park episodes or my library of music on the other hand, I want random immediate access to. |
| 02:04.36 | kullervo | kd3: damn, I was hoping it'd do that by itself |
| 02:04.50 | Neffi | not a huge deal if I lose this stuff, I can get it again, but if I'm gonna spend money, I'd like to buy something that isn't totally fail prone, hence asking for advice |
| 02:06.09 | jleclanche | Neffi: the basic rule of external hard drives is the larger they are, the more fail-prone they are |
| 02:06.26 | jleclanche | and the more fail-prone they are, the larger they need to be because you need more redundancy |
| 02:06.48 | Neffi | yeah I'm still contemplating going 2 TB instead of 4 TB for that reason |
| 02:06.51 | jleclanche | so getting 4 1tb hdds is a lot better than 1x 4tb |
| 02:07.16 | jleclanche | but the problem with that is that with externals, that's a pain in the genitalia |
| 02:08.05 | Neffi | down the line when I have the cash I will probably pick up a passable 4-bay NAS unit to do storage more seriously. this is to hold me over while I'm primarily jobless and can't spend the cash to do a good setup. |
| 02:08.26 | jleclanche | does it really need to be external? |
| 02:08.43 | Neffi | my main computer is a laptop, so it needs to be USB or LAN interfaced, yes. |
| 02:08.58 | jleclanche | cant you build a cheap server at home? |
| 02:09.01 | Neffi | the alternative is using an adapter and putting it in a cardboard box with a second hand PSU :P |
| 02:09.06 | jleclanche | yes |
| 02:09.13 | jleclanche | that's exactly what i have in my closet |
| 02:09.14 | Neffi | I have pretty much no money to my name, so no |
| 02:09.35 | Neffi | I set aside enough to get myself a drive, and the rest is probably spent |
| 02:09.59 | jleclanche | the difference between a good 1tb drive, and the same 1tb drive in a mybook/whatever enclosure can be up to $70 or so |
| 02:10.25 | jleclanche | that $70 buys you a raspberry pi and then some |
| 02:10.34 | Neffi | if I choose to go for a 2 TB I can most likely afford a good one plus an enclosure, so I'll think on it |
| 02:11.46 | jleclanche | enclosures themselves can create failure |
| 02:11.59 | jleclanche | and in some drives, you cant actually take the drive out without corrupting the data |
| 02:12.09 | jleclanche | because the firmware does some voodoo shit |
| 02:12.15 | Neffi | o.o |
| 02:12.28 | jleclanche | yeah, I have a dead drive in my drawer that's exactly like that |
| 02:12.30 | jleclanche | i cant even format it |
| 02:12.32 | Neffi | shouldn't it just be a SATA controller bridged over USB? |
| 02:12.37 | jleclanche | usually it is |
| 02:12.44 | jleclanche | sometimes that bridge does some extra stuff |
| 02:13.00 | jleclanche | some of the mybooks used to do that. WD got hounded for it. |
| 02:13.29 | Stanzilla | my external case fried 2 drives |
| 02:13.30 | Neffi | maybe that's what that one newegg review meant by being able to safely reuse the enclosure. |
| 02:13.47 | Neffi | I've never heard of this. It seems bonkers. |
| 02:14.02 | jleclanche | it's not uncommon |
| 02:14.32 | jleclanche | on prebuilt externals-in-enclosure, you lose warranty when you open the enclosure |
| 02:14.34 | Stanzilla | I still have them here because they have important data and I wanted to send them to specialists if I have the money some day.. |
| 02:14.37 | jleclanche | so the manufacturers dont give a shit |
| 02:14.51 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: you're in germany arent you? |
| 02:14.56 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:15.00 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: which city? |
| 02:15.04 | Stanzilla | munich |
| 02:15.07 | jleclanche | hm |
| 02:15.09 | Neffi | I meant picking up a standalone enclosure, not a prebuilt |
| 02:16.53 | jleclanche | Neffi: OH |
| 02:16.59 | jleclanche | standalone enclosures are completely fine |
| 02:17.10 | Neffi | ah! ok |
| 02:17.15 | jleclanche | sorry |
| 02:17.24 | Neffi | yeah, I was talking about getting a decent/good internal and a separate enclosure |
| 02:17.31 | Neffi | if I go down to 2 TB I should be able to afford that |
| 02:17.33 | jleclanche | let me find the one i used |
| 02:17.58 | Stanzilla | I mostly buy Icyboxes |
| 02:18.03 | jleclanche | Neffi: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BHARA6O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage |
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| 02:30.10 | kd3 | gah! no matter what I do I can't stop the flow. I'm backfilling a river |
| 02:30.23 | jleclanche | toilet trouble kd3? |
| 02:30.47 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:30.52 | kd3 | got 130k in the city |
| 02:31.22 | kullervo | kd3: where are you draining it? |
| 02:31.36 | kd3 | into a river that's not flowing fast enough |
| 02:31.47 | kd3 | don't really have any options on this map |
| 02:32.20 | kd3 | I could dump it into the lake but that's not really going to work either |
| 02:32.56 | kullervo | also, water treatment |
| 02:33.04 | kullervo | should reduce problems |
| 02:33.12 | kd3 | yah, I've got 11 water treatment plants |
| 02:33.14 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:33.21 | kullervo | and pipe it somewhere |
| 02:33.40 | Simca | presumably that's what the river is for |
| 02:33.48 | kullervo | no, I meant, further away |
| 02:33.53 | kullervo | like all the fuck away |
| 02:36.51 | kd3 | http://imgur.com/MnRrW1x |
| 02:37.06 | kd3 | you can see where I was dumping waste water and where I'm dumping it now. it's still not enough |
| 02:37.19 | kd3 | elm district (lower-left) is going under |
| 02:37.57 | kd3 | I'm putting out so much waste that the river coming in from the right is diverting to the elm district river (which is also flowing in from left to right) |
| 02:38.21 | kd3 | tried putting pumps where that one still is north of elm district, but it didn't help |
| 02:40.53 | kullervo | so it flows... north? |
| 02:41.29 | kd3 | the river flows north, yes |
| 02:41.34 | kd3 | or, well, it did |
| 02:42.09 | kullervo | yeah see the area is problematic if the current simulation is on any sort of a reasonable level |
| 02:42.20 | kullervo | you'd have to pipe it even further north |
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| 09:31.50 | Arrowmaster | fucking Baader-Meinhof phenomenon fucking again today |
| 09:31.57 | Arrowmaster | what the fucking fuck |
| 09:33.43 | Arrowmaster | had it happen from something tuesday from something in my book on monday night, then a completely fucking different topic from monday night came up 3 fucking unrelated times later tuesday from different fucking sources |
| 09:33.58 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 09:34.13 | Arrowmaster | is broken |
| 09:34.33 | nevcairiel | you sound broken, as you are not making any sense |
| 09:36.32 | Arrowmaster | i cant reality any more |
| 10:05.34 | karl_w_w | kd3 why does it matter? |
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| 13:33.23 | znf | karl_w_w, http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=408705348&searchtext= |
| 13:33.29 | znf | so now you can reddit while building! |
| 13:34.00 | karl_w_w | dont use it znf |
| 13:34.31 | karl_w_w | never mind, it's fixed |
| 13:34.44 | karl_w_w | it was corrupting saves for a while |
| 13:39.06 | znf | the game started raping my CPU :( |
| 13:59.33 | znf | weee, just hit 150k pop |
| 14:04.00 | znf | well, this is an issue http://i.imgur.com/QC1OJk5.jpg |
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| 14:32.53 | sb | znf: too many cars! |
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| 14:36.02 | znf | oh shit, that moment when you accidentally bulldoze a power line tower |
| 14:36.06 | znf | and half the map goes dark :D |
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| 14:59.25 | Ackis | why the hell can't android mount network shares? :( |
| 15:02.54 | pompy | :o |
| 15:07.12 | znf | pretty sure it can |
| 15:07.17 | znf | as long as you have the cifs/smbfs module :D |
| 15:12.40 | karl_w_w | tat's not good znf |
| 15:12.45 | karl_w_w | the traffic |
| 15:13.25 | karl_w_w | that big on ramp from the bottom left of the screen should merge more smoothly |
| 15:13.33 | karl_w_w | so they can get on without slowing down |
| 15:14.40 | znf | I'm so annoyed of how traffic works in the game |
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| 15:15.00 | Jamash | I'm a university student! :D |
| 15:15.01 | znf | like, we have 5 highway lanes available, let's use only one! |
| 15:15.02 | znf | :-| |
| 15:15.58 | karl_w_w | man I'd love to get my hands on that intersection :P |
| 15:16.09 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't make it pretty but I'd make it work! |
| 15:16.25 | znf | I already fixed |
| 15:18.31 | Constie | You're doing it, Jamash! |
| 15:19.15 | znf | now, I have no idea how to fix this, yet: http://i.imgur.com/orhljBo.jpg |
| 15:21.43 | karl_w_w | oh I'll show you what I did with that roundabout I showed you early on znf |
| 15:22.01 | karl_w_w | worked out awesome |
| 15:22.43 | znf | fuckin' roundabouts are so retarded in this game |
| 15:22.56 | znf | I mean, where the fuck in the world does a car actually STOP while IN the roundabout thingie? |
| 15:23.58 | karl_w_w | skylines isn't in this world :P |
| 15:25.55 | karl_w_w | you don't give your people free public transport? :P |
| 15:27.23 | znf | fuck that! |
| 15:27.30 | znf | I'm already in the red with the transport costs! |
| 15:27.49 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/qrrVzPh.png |
| 15:28.01 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/1TOU3mW.png |
| 15:28.02 | znf | >_< |
| 15:28.24 | karl_w_w | well yes, transport is always a cost |
| 15:28.26 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/CjSD7lr.png |
| 15:28.41 | karl_w_w | notice how the roads are designed on the left of the 'roundabout' |
| 15:28.48 | karl_w_w | it gets them using all 6 lanes |
| 15:29.02 | znf | I was thinking of doing just that |
| 15:29.50 | karl_w_w | 1 intersection higher than where you can see is where the initial freeway comes in |
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| 15:30.56 | znf | they still want more commercial zones |
| 15:30.57 | znf | jesus christ |
| 15:30.58 | karl_w_w | in other news, I tried completely flooding my whole city, but it seems there is a limit to how much water is allowed on the map or something |
| 15:31.50 | karl_w_w | because the water overlay still shows water flowing into the reservoir, but the level didn't rise after 10 hours on max speed |
| 15:33.48 | karl_w_w | I could improve that roundabout by using highway instead of 6 lane, but I haven't had a problem with it since the change |
| 15:35.45 | znf | mine is a micro roundabout |
| 15:35.51 | znf | I can't upgrade it to anything else, there's no space |
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| 15:38.24 | karl_w_w | does it have traffic lights on it? |
| 15:41.47 | znf | no |
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| 15:56.28 | karl_w_w | I need to build out somewhere but I'm completely uninspired about where and how |
| 15:58.15 | mckenziemc | the neighboring city |
| 15:58.20 | mckenziemc | build a landfill in their city limits |
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| 16:16.20 | karl_w_w | trying to build things next to each other when they keep snapping together is just infuriating |
| 16:17.57 | karl_w_w | especially when the thing you're building is road and it keeps wanting to connect to railway |
| 16:18.06 | karl_w_w | even though that's simply impossible |
| 16:18.15 | znf | I have a dead people problem O.O |
| 16:18.18 | znf | I closed down some cemeteries |
| 16:18.25 | znf | but I replaced them with 2x crematorium |
| 16:18.27 | znf | didn't work |
| 16:20.48 | karl_w_w | are the cemetaries still emptying? |
| 16:22.42 | Jamash | I know skylines just came out but switching windows and seeing " I have a dead people problem O.O |
| 16:23.03 | Jamash | " is slightly startling |
| 16:23.47 | Jamash | karl_w_w: dude, trains with road wheels are the new hotness |
| 16:24.41 | kullervo | that's actually a thing now |
| 16:24.42 | Jamash | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road-rail_vehicle |
| 16:25.07 | Jamash | and by "new hotness" I mean "abandoned decades ago for anything except railway maintenance" |
| 16:25.26 | kullervo | karl, does some modifier stop snapping? |
| 16:26.00 | znf | karl_w_w, yeah, I had to turn them back on... I was trying to get rid of them, but it's not feasable |
| 16:26.05 | kullervo | like in say, photoshop |
| 16:26.09 | znf | also, just hit 163k pop, yay |
| 16:26.14 | znf | and they still want shopping malls! |
| 16:27.15 | kullervo | znf, of course, the youth needs a place to loiter at |
| 16:29.32 | karl_w_w | you can gradually empty the cemetaries by keeping an eye on how much space there is in the crematoriums |
| 16:30.46 | znf | my crematoriums never have actual used space... |
| 16:30.50 | znf | they're always empty |
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| 16:33.13 | karl_w_w | then your problem is your crematoriums are probably too close together |
| 16:33.54 | karl_w_w | a hearse won't stick near the crematorium, it will drive all over the map picking up slack in other areas |
| 16:34.21 | karl_w_w | and usually it will drive backwards and forwards |
| 16:34.27 | karl_w_w | so you need nice even coverage |
| 16:35.07 | kd3 | which is _really_ annoying |
| 16:35.14 | kd3 | wtb the ability to limit services to districts |
| 16:35.30 | kd3 | so they're not driving all the way across the map when there's a closer provider a block away |
| 16:35.52 | Jamash | mckenziemc: the city where I actually live created a thiiiiiiiin extension of its city limits so it could site a wastewater treatment plant "within city limits" but way over there |
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| 16:40.39 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: i just got some custom printed CAH cards from a guy on reddit today, one of them is "An exceptionally good Scotch." |
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| 17:06.34 | karl_w_w | the largest expense in my budget is garbage -_- |
| 17:13.25 | mckenziemc | so your budget is garbage? |
| 17:20.56 | karl_w_w | apparently |
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| 17:26.00 | kd3 | heh, from someone e-famous: "Why the bloody hell is nobody bringing fuel to my coal power plant" |
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| 17:30.43 | Arrowmaster | ah im getting downvoted for bashing on people that drink fireball |
| 17:31.07 | znf | are we higher ilvl yet? :( |
| 17:31.12 | Arrowmaster | and cant handle whiskey neat |
| 17:31.28 | znf | is fireball that cinamon thingie? |
| 17:31.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 17:31.57 | znf | sounds interesting |
| 17:32.04 | znf | never tried it, not available around here |
| 17:32.19 | Arrowmaster | 5 minutes and im down to -2 |
| 17:32.57 | Arrowmaster | i feel honored how offended they must be |
| 17:34.36 | Arrowmaster | haha the comments are getting good too |
| 17:44.23 | Unkle | Fireball is like if you took those "Atomic Fireball" candies, and dissolved them in alcohol, then drank it. |
| 17:44.47 | Unkle | It tastes nasty. |
| 17:45.29 | Unkle | Companies have been trying to make cinnamon booze a thing for a long time. And man... it's just ... vile. |
| 17:45.52 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
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| 17:56.29 | Arrowmaster | fucking assholes http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/17/gun-control-group-sets-up-fake-store-shames-first-time-buyers/ |
| 17:57.34 | znf | your country is fuckin' weird |
| 17:57.54 | Unkle | every country is fucking weird. |
| 17:58.07 | Thunder_Child | Every country has weirdos. |
| 17:58.17 | Thunder_Child | Ours just seem to be a bit more public. |
| 17:58.22 | Thunder_Child | And stupid. |
| 17:58.50 | Unkle | Nah, they're all stupid. We just have a profit motive to share our stupids more openly. |
| 17:59.39 | Fisker | Denmark isn't weird |
| 18:00.42 | Unkle | ... |
| 18:00.53 | mikma | lol, lego. |
| 18:00.58 | Unkle | Your country once had a financial meltdown because of fucking tulips. |
| 18:03.25 | Fisker | What are you saying? |
| 18:03.38 | Unkle | Denmark is weird. |
| 18:03.49 | Unkle | France is weird. |
| 18:03.55 | Unkle | Canada is weired. |
| 18:04.01 | Fisker | It's not true |
| 18:04.20 | Unkle | Greece, Turkey, Germany, Switzerland, ALL FUCKING WEIRD. |
| 18:04.44 | Unkle | And don't even get me started on South America! |
| 18:05.10 | Unkle | You know why all those places are weird? because humans. |
| 18:05.23 | karl_w_w | assholes? awesome more like |
| 18:08.10 | mikma | no homo intended |
| 18:11.35 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: you didnt even start on finland |
| 18:12.14 | Unkle | FINLAND: FUCKING WEIRD. |
| 18:13.07 | mikma | that hurts our feelings so bad. good thing that our free medicalcare will take care of that |
| 18:13.30 | Unkle | And your free university gives you all that education to deal with things. |
| 18:13.42 | mikma | ouch. please stop |
| 18:14.40 | Unkle | See? FUCKING WEIRD. |
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| 18:41.49 | zenzelezz | Unkle: you think those countries are weird? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_butter_crisis |
| 18:45.25 | Unkle | Listen, it's those winters and ice. I mean your ancestors terrified the entire world with the whole "sail out in boats, rape, loot, pillage, burn everything." I think if they'd just found some nice tropical island somewhere a whole lot of weird and unpleasant could have just been avoided altogether. |
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| 18:48.05 | Unkle | And if a few English, French, and Spanish kings could have stopped being dicks to their populations for like... 5 minutes ... a lot more could have been avoided, and this might all still be colonies. |
| 18:48.46 | Unkle | (Thus endeth the rant on history which has nothing to do with WoW or AddOn development). |
| 18:50.10 | zenzelezz | wait, this channel is about WoW and addons? |
| 18:50.19 | fewyn | it's about what |
| 18:50.24 | karl_w_w | they did Unkle |
| 18:50.39 | karl_w_w | that's how we got the modern world |
| 18:52.45 | karl_w_w | it was quite some time ago that we changed from the country serving the monarch to the monarch serving the country |
| 18:55.20 | Unkle | "quite some time ago" means something like ... late 19th century. Which is practically yesterday in terms of societal evolution. *grin* |
| 18:57.42 | Pursche01 | Hello there, I am currently trying to make a plugin for Auctioneer, my goal is to add a column in the SearchUI like this: http://i.imgur.com/jIBljGO.png (RMP), I currently have it working but only by editing Auctioneer itself. I am struggling with making this into an actual plugin and I was wondering if anyone has experience with Auctioneer or knows of a |
| 18:57.42 | Pursche01 | current addon that adds a column in the SearchUI? |
| 18:59.52 | karl_w_w | I believe Anne was the first one Unkle |
| 19:00.08 | karl_w_w | start of the 18th |
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| 19:12.11 | Primer | hrmm, speaking of auctioneer, I recall that it doesn't display item levels in items properly |
| 19:12.43 | Primer | it doesn't differentiate between normal, heroic, and mythic. It always shows the normal item level |
| 19:13.22 | Primer | Pursche01: what exactly is RMP? Pardon my ignorance... |
| 19:14.28 | Pursche01 | RMP in this case stands for Regional Median Price and is the median price for all realms on the region (EU, US etc). You get this value from WoWUction. |
| 19:14.41 | Pursche01 | I implemented the thing you see right there like this: http://pastebin.com/dYCcnfpA |
| 19:14.55 | Pursche01 | By adding two rows, I just wish that I didn't have to edit Auctioneer at all. :P |
| 19:15.24 | Primer | I'm going to guess that's going to be the only way to do this |
| 19:17.06 | Pursche01 | I was afraid of that, I would have wanted to release it publicly but I guess that I might have to make an installer in Python (or maybe powershell) and only give it to my friends because it would be harder to maintain and would require someone to run the script after every auctioneer update. :/ |
| 19:18.45 | Pursche01 | I asked around in #Norganna but it seems rather dead. :/ |
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| 19:38.24 | kd3 | the ilvl hotfix is in for the americas region |
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| 19:53.49 | znf | Can anyone on US confirm that the ilvl for the ring has been upgraded to 715? |
| 19:54.31 | Semlar | the ring hasn't changed |
| 19:54.56 | Semlar | why would it |
| 19:55.47 | znf | looks at Semlar |
| 19:55.49 | znf | looks at Simca |
| 19:55.51 | znf | make up your mind |
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| 19:57.25 | pompy | ~lart znf |
| 19:57.25 | purl | takes znf to the vet for a "special" visit |
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| 20:00.11 | Simca | znf: http://i.imgur.com/CxMHo7G.png |
| 20:01.52 | Semlar | so they literally only buffed one version of the ring? |
| 20:02.10 | Semlar | mine is 690 |
| 20:02.39 | Stanzilla | the 690 version is highmaul loot |
| 20:02.44 | Stanzilla | and they dont buff highmaul loot |
| 20:02.52 | Semlar | no, it's not highmaul loot |
| 20:03.00 | Semlar | and the latest one is not brf loot |
| 20:03.01 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:04.34 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: Yeah, breitbart.com is pretty rude most of the time. |
| 20:04.49 | Jamash | oops, was still scrolled up, pay no mind |
| 20:04.57 | Simca | Semlar: the 690 and lower versions are the same. 710 is 715. |
| 20:05.20 | Simca | the 710 (now 715) version was from BRF quests, so it was at least related to BRF. |
| 20:06.45 | Stanzilla | it was build from the items from brf |
| 20:06.48 | Stanzilla | so it is basicly brf loot |
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| 20:14.20 | karl_w_w | znf, the calm http://i.imgur.com/KJaacdG.jpg |
| 20:22.50 | VIad | finished interstellar, oh the feels |
| 20:26.05 | zenzelezz | the movie? |
| 20:26.16 | Simca | yeah |
| 20:26.54 | VIad | haven't seen a movie that I found to be this good in a long time - good as in actually making me forget it lasts 3 hours and really appreciate everything about it during the ride :P |
| 20:27.30 | karl_w_w | I'm watching that tomorrow |
| 20:27.45 | karl_w_w | which is code for "I was going to watch it today but then Skylines" |
| 20:27.48 | VIad | tbh works best when completely alone with the sound at max not hearing anything but the audio |
| 20:28.06 | VIad | the mood would be totally ruined by social customs if I sat in the cinema :P |
| 20:28.11 | VIad | like I wouldn't be able to cry |
| 20:28.18 | karl_w_w | the imitation game is incredible |
| 20:30.13 | zenzelezz | VIad: I know what you mean; sometimes it's better to just be a man - sit at home alone and cry in a corner while you watch sad movies |
| 20:30.23 | VIad | it's the best zenzelezz |
| 20:30.34 | VIad | the movie just has to be good enough and it's perfect |
| 20:31.04 | zenzelezz | not going to lie, tears have been shed to Forrest Gump more than once |
| 20:32.17 | VIad | ofc |
| 20:32.31 | VIad | just havent shed many tears recently so felt good |
| 20:32.54 | zenzelezz | books can work too sometimes |
| 20:34.36 | VIad | I loved the cast in the movie |
| 20:34.38 | zenzelezz | found it peculiar once, in a book where people died (or more accurately got posessed) all over, I didn't feel any for them... but once a sentient spaceship was performing its last glorious flight before plunging in towards a planet to die... that made me sad |
| 20:34.39 | VIad | so many actors :D |
| 20:34.50 | zenzelezz | so many, or so many good? |
| 20:34.58 | VIad | (didnt read anything about it, just watched it, better to be surprised :D) |
| 20:35.04 | VIad | so many actors I love |
| 20:35.09 | VIad | and theydid great jobs |
| 20:35.24 | VIad | also noticed hans zimmer like one of my favorite drama music authors :D |
| 20:36.25 | zenzelezz | doesn't he do like 90% of Hollywood's music though? (But yes, he's good) |
| 20:37.40 | VIad | dunno, haven't seen a movie with him for a while... |
| 20:37.58 | VIad | but usually I notice his music because he is really good at putting it in the right places :p |
| 20:39.43 | zenzelezz | do the musicians get to really decide that? I always thought they were just given some direction about scenes/moods, and came up with stuff, but I base that on 0% evidence |
| 20:40.11 | zenzelezz | as far as game music goes, I notice Jesper Kyd seems to be pretty popular |
| 20:42.51 | VIad | no clue but usually works really well when he does his stuff :p even in games like MW2 I really enjoyed his dramatical scores and thought it fits perfectly with the scene |
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| 21:03.49 | Primer | Simca: There have been a few new comments made to http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/astrolabe/#comments |
| 21:04.57 | Primer | It seems someone else just hard coded all the missing values |
| 21:05.45 | Simca | yeah |
| 21:06.01 | Simca | at that point you almost just want to use LibMapData heh |
| 21:07.12 | Semlar | tries to calm simca down |
| 21:07.34 | Primer | Except LibMapData doesn't put icons on the map |
| 21:07.53 | Simca | honestly i consider that a pro and not a con |
| 21:08.26 | Simca | it should be a mapping library and not a minimap icon library |
| 21:08.39 | Primer | Is there a minimap icon library? |
| 21:08.45 | Semlar | astrolabe |
| 21:08.47 | Simca | the majority of astrolabe's complexity (and CPU use) is in minimap handling |
| 21:09.18 | Semlar | yes, but it was made to put icons on the map and minimap |
| 21:09.23 | Primer | All I really need is bearing and distance to locations, some of which I need to be able to put on the map and minimap myself |
| 21:11.48 | Simca | Semlar: yeah, that's part of the reason I hope somebody makes a pure mapping library and/or a pure icon library |
| 21:12.33 | Simca | if the LibMapData API was slightly different, I'd pick up its development and make it not suck |
| 21:12.46 | Semlar | what api are you looking for |
| 21:13.29 | Semlar | if i had a list of what the functions should take and do i could throw something together |
| 21:15.32 | Semlar | i guess i could just look at astrolabe |
| 21:16.06 | mikma | noooooooooooo |
| 21:16.14 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:17.42 | Semlar | i just need to know what everyone thinks a map library should provide |
| 21:20.44 | mikma | hoho |
| 21:21.04 | mikma | semlarlabe |
| 21:21.18 | mikma | or, semlarlube |
| 21:21.35 | Semlar | you're making neffi jealous |
| 21:22.21 | mikma | good. |
| 21:22.46 | mikma | then you can fix navi |
| 21:28.30 | Primer | heh, so looking closer at this, it seems the wow-pro-guides people forked TomTom's fork of Astrolabe |
| 21:28.45 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 21:28.49 | Stanzilla | I already told jnwhiteh |
| 21:28.59 | Stanzilla | it even states in the file that people should not do that :< |
| 21:29.08 | Primer | I know! |
| 21:31.24 | mikma | is wow-pro-guides dugi's |
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| 21:49.41 | Gethe | mikma: wow-pro is not dugi's, but it's based on it |
| 21:54.04 | Semlar | semlar-pro |
| 21:54.32 | mikma | how tu jump like a pro |
| 21:54.41 | Semlar | now with twice the semlars |
| 21:57.51 | Unkle | New SemLabeZero - With fewer calories. |
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| 22:27.21 | g0urra | I wish it was possible to have a map editor with full control |
| 22:27.38 | g0urra | in C:S |
| 22:27.45 | g0urra | not just highways |
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| 23:42.03 | kd3 | </3 breaking hyjal summit |
| 23:42.59 | Unkle | Did you fail to correctly position for the final boss and he despawned? |
| 23:44.23 | kd3 | nah. started the horde waves. first wave never spawned |
| 23:44.42 | kd3 | 2nd, 3rd waves spawned as normal but it's waiting on the timeout to advance waves as it thinks I still have 14 mobs to kill |
| 23:46.03 | kd3 | hopefully the boss will spawn |
| 23:55.22 | kd3 | and it reset just as wave 8 spawned |
| 23:55.23 | kd3 | damn it |
| 23:55.40 | Unkle | damn |
