| 00:08.09 | fewyn | god damn do any of my 100s have the ore trader today? |
| 00:08.09 | fewyn | no one cares for you muradin |
| 00:08.42 | Stanzilla | just /lfd |
| 00:09.19 | fewyn | wooo my hunter has ore trader |
| 00:21.59 | kd3 | wow. non-negligible dps queues for lfr today |
| 00:24.00 | fewyn | no more ore but i have [Primal Spirit]x1431 |
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| 00:25.20 | znf | what'cha gonna do with it? :-| |
| 00:25.39 | kd3 | blood x28 |
| 00:25.40 | znf | I'm being serious |
| 00:26.02 | znf | I think that much ore would have sold for more... |
| 00:26.47 | fewyn | yeah |
| 00:26.50 | fewyn | turning it into blood |
| 00:26.59 | fewyn | it wouldn't |
| 00:27.01 | znf | what's blood worth for you? |
| 00:27.03 | fewyn | ore is pretty much useless |
| 00:27.08 | znf | ours is 300g/ea (blood) |
| 00:27.13 | fewyn | i an either turn them into upgrade items |
| 00:27.16 | kd3 | ore's up to about a gold/unit. blood's north of 430 on my (dead) realm |
| 00:27.18 | fewyn | or just sell the blood outright |
| 00:27.34 | fewyn | blood is about ~450g here |
| 00:28.55 | znf | ore is 2.5g/ea on our realm |
| 00:29.04 | fewyn | ore just kinda builds up |
| 00:29.11 | fewyn | i have 12 alliance 100s |
| 00:29.14 | fewyn | that i did this on |
| 00:29.27 | znf | so, let's see, based on my market price |
| 00:29.43 | znf | 1 blood = 300g = 50 spirits |
| 00:30.10 | znf | to get 50 spirits, you need 250 ore |
| 00:30.19 | znf | 250 * 2.5g = 625g |
| 00:30.42 | fewyn | except ore is about 1g each at least prior to ore trader day |
| 00:31.07 | znf | not here, it hovers at over 2g |
| 00:31.20 | fewyn | https://theunderminejournal.com/#eonar/item/109119 |
| 00:31.21 | znf | different economies, but meh |
| 00:34.09 | kd3 | amusing looking at ore day price spikes |
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| 00:37.36 | fewyn | it's pretty smart |
| 00:37.41 | fewyn | supposedly there's an order to it |
| 00:37.50 | fewyn | so it should be more predictible in the future |
| 00:42.39 | Simca | the biggest problem with the map API is that there are only 2 things which -require- you to move the map around still: filename and micro dungeon filename |
| 00:42.51 | Simca | the thing is, neither of things are actually required or useful for any reason at all |
| 00:43.03 | Simca | however, almost every single map addon is coded around them existing |
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| 00:51.49 | kd3 | wow, my lfr group managed to pull the slag behemoth from the bridge |
| 00:52.09 | kd3 | aggroed on a healer |
| 00:52.09 | kullervo | kd3: yes that's easy |
| 00:52.20 | kullervo | no the healer was just the #1 on global threat |
| 00:52.44 | kullervo | it can be pulled by having a brewmaster place the totem right on top of it |
| 00:52.50 | kullervo | or perhaps by a hunter |
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| 01:11.36 | karl_w_w | I swear these people are geniuseshttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=405777360 |
| 01:11.58 | karl_w_w | s/geniuses/geniuses / |
| 01:25.54 | p3lim | https://youtube.com/watch?v=fV3gTHDTXc0 |
| 01:26.01 | p3lim | I don't want to live on this planet any more.. |
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| 01:32.05 | karl_w_w | so you're off to mars then? |
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| 01:32.53 | p3lim | If you spot me the ticket |
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| 02:22.26 | kd3 | whee, maidens lfr is fun |
| 02:32.39 | kullervo | I bet |
| 02:33.03 | kullervo | do random players get forced on the ship? |
| 02:38.26 | kd3 | no |
| 02:38.32 | kd3 | have to manually send a group |
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| 03:14.15 | kd3 | rofl, twice in two weeks I'm one of the last few alive on kromog |
| 03:14.46 | kullervo | this is only noteworthy if you kill the boss |
| 03:14.52 | kd3 | we did |
| 03:15.10 | kullervo | hmm.. I wonder if I could carry that on my main |
| 03:19.50 | Tain | The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain. |
| 03:20.53 | kd3 | getting kinda concerned now, another ptr build and they've still got the wrong toc |
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| 04:59.07 | Arrowmaster | i really need to figure out what ive done to my main firefox profile to make it so crashhappy |
| 05:13.22 | Fisker | get chrome |
| 05:14.03 | Neffi | get links |
| 05:25.17 | Primer | What's the event for when a raid member dies? |
| 05:28.00 | Neffi | CLEU -> UNIT_DIED ? |
| 05:29.53 | Semlar | health event probably |
| 05:30.26 | Semlar | i don't think there's anything specific to just a raid member dying |
| 05:30.45 | Semlar | all the events you can watch fire for a bunch of stuff |
| 05:31.10 | Neffi | I dont think _HEALTH fires for death, does it? |
| 05:31.21 | Neffi | also there may be scripted events where hitting zero health doesnt mean death |
| 05:31.24 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that's what it looks for |
| 05:31.28 | Neffi | or death happens without a health event firing |
| 05:32.03 | Semlar | neffi how is the player going to die without losing health |
| 05:32.18 | Neffi | wills it. |
| 05:34.07 | Neffi | kills Semlar. |
| 05:34.28 | Semlar | the blizzard raid frames check if the unit is dead on UNIT_HEALTH, UNIT_HEALTH_FREQUENT, and PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED |
| 05:34.47 | Neffi | fair enough |
| 05:35.47 | Semlar | and unit_connection but that's probably just for the connected text |
| 05:40.10 | Primer | I just want to make a WA to count if I'm the last person alive so I can shadowmeld |
| 05:40.25 | Primer | So perhaps watching the combat log is the best way? |
| 05:40.51 | Semlar | WA doesn't have some custom death event? |
| 05:41.06 | Primer | it does |
| 05:41.10 | Primer | I just found it |
| 05:41.14 | Semlar | it can check if all the other players are dead i'm pretty sure |
| 05:42.21 | Primer | well, I want to be alive |
| 05:42.32 | Primer | I want a number, so I can see it's down to 1 |
| 05:53.20 | Ironi | if you want to know if you can shadowmeld or not, you will need to check for vanish/stealth , invisibility and feign death |
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| 06:06.58 | Primer | yes, I'm going to add that too |
| 06:44.27 | jnwhiteh | Morning all |
| 06:50.21 | Fisker | morning some jnwhiteh |
| 06:51.51 | Semlar | i should make an aura that tells me which mage is iceblocking to make sure i die while feigned |
| 06:52.37 | Semlar | the rest of my raid is just trying to get me killed |
| 06:53.02 | Fisker | so how goes jnwhiteh |
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| 07:05.18 | Primer | So in WA I have a trigger that's firing and the display is a text that's set to custom, "Update cusotm test on..." trigger update |
| 07:05.49 | Primer | hrmm, maybe since I don't have a hide set it's hiding instantaneously as well? |
| 07:05.52 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, is there an auction addon that supports connected realms yet? |
| 07:06.25 | Primer | nope...set it to 2s and the custom function (which has a print() in it) never runs |
| 07:13.13 | Primer | nm, figured it out |
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| 07:19.13 | jnwhiteh | I'm alright |
| 07:27.07 | Primer | hrmm, now I need to get a format() string inside of a WA |
| 07:27.13 | Primer | but it seems to be escaping it |
| 07:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 07:28.51 | Mr_Rabies | i'm manually editing saved variables |
| 07:28.54 | Mr_Rabies | i shouldn't be doing this |
| 07:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm copying my auctionator database from one connected realm to the other |
| 07:29.51 | Mr_Rabies | 300k lines or so just thrown into it, lol |
| 07:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | oh wow that actually worked |
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| 07:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | SV went from 7 MB to 10 MB lol |
| 07:55.42 | Primer | I'm trying to print colored boxes as text in WA. I can make the boxes appear, but there's space between them and I can't figure out how to remove the spaces. Basically just printing this: "|TInterface\\ItemTextFrame\\ItemText-Marble-BotRight:8:8:0:0:1:1:0:0:0:0:%s|t" |
| 07:56.20 | Primer | where %s is "0:0:255" for blue (magic), "0:255:0" for green (poison), etc. |
| 07:56.37 | Primer | local t="|TInterface\\ItemTextFrame\\ItemText-Marble-BotRight:8:8:0:0:1:1:0:0:0:0:%s|t" |
| 07:56.48 | Primer | return format(t,"0:0:255") .. format(t,"255:0:0") .. format(t,"0:255:0") .. format(t,"255:0:255") |
| 07:56.53 | Primer | as a test |
| 07:57.23 | Primer | Can anyone tell what's adding the spacing? If I just go something like this: return "This is a test", there's no extra spaces |
| 08:01.12 | Primer | ok, seems changing the size in the WA display did it |
| 08:07.47 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, where does wow store the enabled addons when you select "All" |
| 08:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | in the addon manager dealio |
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| 08:17.42 | karl_w_w | well well well |
| 08:18.17 | karl_w_w | this copy of raising steam doesn't have any publisher mentioned on it |
| 08:18.26 | karl_w_w | does that mean it's self published? |
| 08:25.41 | karl_w_w | ah, well amazon says it's published by doubleday |
| 08:30.56 | Mr_Rabies | it would usually say inside even if they missed it on the cover |
| 08:31.12 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes logos vanish and stuff and no one notices until things have been printed :v |
| 08:31.39 | Mr_Rabies | also hmm, i wonder what profession building would be the most useful |
| 08:32.03 | karl_w_w | your professions and enchanting |
| 08:32.09 | karl_w_w | the rest all seem to be useless |
| 08:32.16 | Mr_Rabies | my professions are engineering and enchanting :v |
| 08:32.19 | Mr_Rabies | engineering is uh |
| 08:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | super useless |
| 08:32.31 | karl_w_w | nice :P |
| 08:32.36 | karl_w_w | wow, terry pratchett has a daughter called rhianna |
| 08:33.36 | karl_w_w | and she's a writer for video games, with such credits as lead writer on the tomb raider reboot, and an additional writer on bioshock infinite |
| 08:36.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'd get rid of the salvage yard if anything else was worth putting in its spot |
| 08:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | i'm thinking maybe tailoring if i can make the huge bags |
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| 08:56.04 | karl_w_w | decent xpm, VIad? http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/538969922 |
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| 10:38.08 | bluspacecow | *noms wobin* |
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| 11:38.17 | Simca | *noms bluspacecow* |
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| 11:41.35 | jleclanche | foxlit: how does masterplan know the potential epic ability of a follower? |
| 11:41.52 | nevcairiel | there is a "pool" you can actually query through an API |
| 11:42.34 | nevcairiel | at least thats how i think it works |
| 11:42.40 | nevcairiel | worst case, just hardcode the list based on class |
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| 13:03.38 | VIad | karl_w_w: a pro meepo wins always :p fact |
| 13:03.44 | VIad | at least in pub games |
| 13:04.32 | VIad | he probably had 3-400 xpm but since each meepo has his own xp earn if you split them up in farm cycles and such you get more xpm :p 3 meepo in lane, 2 in jungle, e.g. |
| 13:04.38 | VIad | still impressivle |
| 13:09.40 | VIad | http://www.dotabuff.com/players/690558/records |
| 13:09.43 | VIad | what is yours karl? |
| 13:10.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.dotabuff.com/players/71802041/records |
| 13:13.44 | karl_w_w | holy shit 808 xpm |
| 13:14.10 | VIad | we should play once together |
| 13:16.16 | karl_w_w | where do you live? |
| 13:16.33 | karl_w_w | or, sort your servers by ping |
| 13:16.39 | Stanzilla | transilvania |
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| 13:39.49 | VIad | karl_w_w: norway |
| 13:39.54 | VIad | I play on EU usually |
| 13:41.12 | karl_w_w | EU is unplayable for me, what's your ping to india or dubai? |
| 13:43.52 | VIad | 36 Russia |
| 13:43.53 | VIad | 51 EU-W |
| 13:43.53 | VIad | 74 EU-E |
| 13:43.53 | VIad | 141 US-E |
| 13:43.53 | VIad | 197 US-W |
| 13:43.57 | VIad | rest was 200-300 |
| 13:44.36 | VIad | you dont have a FTL router? |
| 13:54.42 | VIad | karl_w_w: why do some use <font face=ravie> in their dota name? makes no sense... |
| 13:57.18 | karl_w_w | dont know |
| 13:59.06 | karl_w_w | my servers are aus 100, SEA 170, india 320, dubai 350, USW 370, USE 400 |
| 13:59.23 | karl_w_w | USE is the first one that I can't realistically play on |
| 14:04.40 | karl_w_w | though i know my dubai ping is usually lower than what it says on test thing |
| 14:04.43 | karl_w_w | what is an FTL router, VIad? |
| 14:07.06 | Torhal | Faster Than Light? |
| 14:07.22 | karl_w_w | yeah that's what I thought |
| 14:13.10 | bluspacecow | I want a FTT router |
| 14:13.40 | bluspacecow | Faster Than Torhal router :P |
| 14:14.18 | Simca | nevcairiel: no API, MasterPlan uses hardcoded lists based on DB2 data |
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| 14:40.50 | VIad | yes faster than light router :p |
| 14:41.19 | VIad | is masterplan a clone of masterplanner? |
| 14:44.23 | jleclanche | why is it they added a jukebox with dozens of songs but no shuffle function |
| 14:45.58 | VIad | probably because it was a simple feature rammed in for the sake of adding in a feature :p |
| 14:46.35 | jleclanche | heh |
| 14:47.09 | VIad | besides any sane person that likes the music would just go to wowhead and rip those 30 songs as mp3s |
| 14:47.26 | VIad | nice idea but poor execution if you ask me |
| 14:47.39 | VIad | at least a shuffle would be nice idd |
| 14:47.54 | jleclanche | or the fact that some of the songs lack their best parts |
| 14:47.59 | jleclanche | like mountains of thunder |
| 14:48.23 | VIad | tbh those should be the extended version of the songs |
| 14:48.38 | VIad | like the original pluss what ever additions to make longer, if length was an issue :p |
| 14:49.05 | VIad | the wod song is 12 min, by far the longest |
| 14:49.16 | jleclanche | yeah it's sad |
| 14:49.19 | jleclanche | like |
| 14:49.24 | VIad | but also a bit irregular, like last 4 min go between several different songs I think :p feels unregular |
| 14:49.27 | VIad | irregular* |
| 14:49.30 | jleclanche | they explicitly had to add extra songs |
| 14:50.57 | VIad | is the invincible song full or? |
| 14:51.01 | VIad | about 4 min |
| 14:51.04 | jleclanche | i dont have it yet |
| 14:51.11 | jleclanche | oh wait i do |
| 14:51.14 | VIad | I just listened to it on wowhead :P |
| 14:51.22 | VIad | to decide what I wanted to farm :p |
| 14:51.30 | VIad | cba to farm songs that arent worth it for me |
| 14:51.40 | VIad | considering the music is per character - should be account wide but what ever |
| 14:52.10 | VIad | it is after all quests that get flagged as completed to make you eligible for the gossip option |
| 14:52.22 | VIad | they didnt wanna expand on the infrastructure to make those account wide I guess |
| 14:52.32 | jleclanche | looks to be full |
| 14:54.18 | jleclanche | i mean its a nice song |
| 14:54.23 | jleclanche | but on repeat in the garrison, rly |
| 14:54.45 | VIad | nah too much |
| 14:54.56 | VIad | any song repeat is too much |
| 14:55.31 | VIad | maybe not if its a 1 hour song with variety of music, like a mix |
| 14:55.58 | VIad | with smooth changes between songs |
| 14:56.01 | jleclanche | exactly why this needs a shuffle |
| 14:56.06 | jleclanche | and the full fucking songs |
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| 15:00.56 | VIad | people say, why complain about new features and not just enjoy the new feature? sometimes it feels like the new feature was hastily implemented making it subpar compared to what it could have been. |
| 15:01.09 | VIad | great idea, could be done better and actually be usable |
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| 15:01.21 | VIad | atm I muted the music channel again because cba to go swap songs all the time :p |
| 15:01.28 | VIad | and just listen to the music in my music player |
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| 15:01.50 | VIad | got the wow soundtracks queued up so can even go to specific tracks if I want to |
| 15:15.59 | kullervo | i.imgur.com/51cH7Ee.png |
| 15:17.17 | kullervo | http://mfw.dy.fi/i/647812.gif |
| 15:24.16 | VIad | kullervo: I dont get it. dont everyone get invincible first HC run? |
| 15:24.38 | kullervo | ... surely you jest |
| 15:25.01 | rid_ | lol kullervo |
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| 15:58.35 | Simca | drop rate for all of them is probably somewhere from 25%-50% |
| 15:58.51 | Simca | no music roll that drops from an NPC is 100% |
| 15:59.06 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 16:22.48 | pompy | http://www.weather.com/science/news/california-earthquake-report |
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| 16:36.44 | Simca | I think I'm going to make a "Map API megathread" in the tutorials section of the WoWI forums |
| 16:42.04 | Arrowmaster | well that was a good laugh http://backupchain.com/i/why-you-shouldnt-buy-a-nas-like-drobo-synology-buffalo-netgear-qnap |
| 16:43.45 | foxlit | Simca: [18:57:03] Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/8fPoeLf.jpg level 98, ilvl 637 :D << wait, why is that wrong? |
| 16:44.06 | Simca | it isn't. it is correct. |
| 16:44.19 | Simca | MasterPlan's automatic calculations and exp estimate is wrong |
| 16:44.44 | Simca | on the eye dropdown it says i will get 21k exp for that mission instead of the actual 36k+ |
| 16:44.55 | Fisker | Microsoft Gold Partner Arrowmaster ? |
| 16:44.56 | Fisker | :3 |
| 16:45.13 | foxlit | so the projection is right, but the group composition doesn't use it properly. gr. |
| 16:46.34 | foxlit | does MoI work with Harrison, at least? |
| 16:47.08 | Simca | it works with his treasure hunter |
| 16:47.19 | Simca | i haven't seen any other suggestions for him outside that mission |
| 16:47.28 | foxlit | and today's jones daily is a dupel so its expected 6 days till I get him. |
| 16:48.17 | Simca | lemme use some of the million extra armor upgrades i have to push him higher than 637 |
| 16:48.27 | Simca | that -should- make MoI want to use him in several places |
| 16:48.55 | Fisker | why is he level 98? |
| 16:49.13 | Simca | he's not, Fo Sho Knucklebump is |
| 16:49.14 | foxlit | its always dicy if you've already got plenty of upgraded followers |
| 16:49.19 | Simca | yeah |
| 16:49.50 | Simca | i have about 4-5 that aren't though because they aren't very great, it may end up using one of them with him |
| 16:51.27 | Simca | hm. foxlit, this is odd, lol. |
| 16:51.48 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/Id4m4c9.png |
| 16:52.40 | Simca | 24k is listed as first option instead of the 28k (28k option has 2x exp training followers + harrison, 24k has my lowbie + harrison, so it is in reality about 40k) |
| 16:52.40 | foxlit | nah; ~22k for harrison, 2k for the 90. |
| 16:52.56 | Simca | right but shouldn't it show 28k first |
| 16:53.44 | Simca | oh, mission has a gold reward. |
| 16:53.49 | foxlit | probably not; 100g is where the xp/success split moved recently. |
| 16:53.57 | Simca | first entry is maximizing gold |
| 16:53.59 | Simca | i see |
| 16:54.49 | Simca | i honestly couldn't ask for a better setup anyway. 300g + 20k exp on lowbie (which should take him to level 99 from 90) |
| 16:58.20 | Simca | that does mean group composition is treating him as level 100 though foxlit. without Mentor, a level 90's traits would not apply |
| 16:58.28 | foxlit | no. |
| 16:59.25 | Simca | ah, is there an exception for traits that don't contribute success chance? |
| 17:01.05 | Simca | success chance calculations are right using Mentor at least. Expected: http://i.imgur.com/gAft5Yl.png - Actual: http://i.imgur.com/YeBtw3e.png |
| 17:02.03 | foxlit | I don't compute those. Anyhow, I ended up doing something silly, like tring to index the follower id to get its item level |
| 17:02.40 | Simca | ah |
| 17:03.10 | foxlit | obviously the string was less than impressed and as a result I don't store mentor item levels for those groups at all. as xp calcs are done after the fact, they all think there is no harrison. |
| 17:04.55 | foxlit | while the projection tooltips arent in a tight loop, so they actually call out to the api to get mentor levels for the cureent party |
| 17:05.22 | Torhal | Oh, dear. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/con-man |
| 17:06.40 | foxlit | http://i.gyazo.com/b6736778bd3ac0d8ec112a58d6b61129.png << mildly sad |
| 17:07.03 | foxlit | I wonder if I should go for bug parity with blizzard code, |
| 17:07.55 | Stanzilla | were you able to fix the SetFormattedText error I had btw? |
| 17:09.07 | Simca | everyone has* |
| 17:09.22 | Stanzilla | ok :D |
| 17:12.35 | Simca | also jeeze I have a BRF mission, lessons of the blade (ilvl 675 retraining scroll rare mission), and an elemental rune mission all at once on my main |
| 17:12.51 | nevcairiel | i get brf and elemental on the same day always |
| 17:12.59 | nevcairiel | and lessons of the blade every 4 days or s o |
| 17:13.12 | nevcairiel | so not really special |
| 17:13.15 | Simca | lessons does seem very common for a rare |
| 17:13.17 | foxlit | expiry times of "might as well be never" all around. |
| 17:13.34 | Simca | i wonder if it is because it is the only rare for its ilvl |
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| 17:20.28 | Simca | heh, apparently the character transfer gold cap is easily avoided now since garrison blueprints have the same buy price and sell price. |
| 17:20.41 | Fisker | old |
| 17:20.59 | Simca | yes |
| 17:21.36 | foxlit | flag them all unique: blueprint (5), problem solved. |
| 17:22.24 | Simca | I wonder how many months it will take for that to happen |
| 17:22.37 | Simca | I bet it will be an undocumented change in Patch 8.2 |
| 17:23.21 | foxlit | tweet "HOT EXPLOIT, ECONOMY BROKEN" and it'll be hotfixed before lunch. |
| 17:23.32 | Fisker | heh |
| 17:23.33 | Simca | rofl |
| 17:23.37 | Fisker | I remember when I found an exploit |
| 17:23.39 | Fisker | reported it |
| 17:23.45 | Fisker | went unfixed for a major patch |
| 17:23.52 | Fisker | posted a video, was fixed the very next patch |
| 17:23.58 | Fisker | a minor one |
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| 17:25.37 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/tickets/387-fstack-doesnt-work-with-masterplan-addon/ |
| 17:29.22 | [TOM_RUS] | fstack works fine for me, probably some other addon causing this |
| 17:29.54 | Simca | it is related to the garrison frame being open |
| 17:29.58 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/alXHgBR.jpg |
| 17:30.36 | foxlit | it has args and stuff now |
| 17:31.54 | Simca | it doesn't occur with master plan disabled either |
| 17:34.39 | Stanzilla | Simca: there is a bug in your soup! |
| 17:35.09 | Simca | very buggy soup |
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| 17:37.35 | Stanzilla | I should not have talked about the SetFormattedText error |
| 17:37.42 | Stanzilla | now I'm even getting it when hovering over chat links |
| 17:37.44 | Stanzilla | it's haunting me :< |
| 17:37.54 | foxlit | /reload will fix it |
| 17:38.50 | Simca | i get it when salvaging, when picking up work orders, when doing basically anything |
| 17:38.59 | Simca | once it starts, it keeps going and it won't stop until you reload |
| 17:39.59 | Stanzilla | it's like when my grandma starts talking |
| 17:40.04 | Stanzilla | it just does not stop |
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| 17:57.20 | Simca | [13:52:27] [2] [Lelendris-Tro]: wts [Ethereal Soul-Trader] 10k [Guardian Cub] 20k |
| 17:57.35 | Simca | man, what was once the rarest pet, now less rare than a freaking guardian cub |
| 17:57.44 | Simca | yay duping |
| 17:58.42 | zenzelezz | how did I miss this all these years... finally I can become a hacker too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM |
| 18:01.20 | [TOM_RUS] | Simca, guess what blizzard says? there's no duping :D |
| 18:02.05 | Simca | yeah |
| 18:02.49 | Simca | it's stupid though, they could prove it easily by watching the amount of them in circulation |
| 18:06.00 | Gnarfoz | maybe you're wrong though, and there's simply more of them or the market is saturated :p |
| 18:10.36 | Simca | Gnarfoz: the price was at 150k for 5 years and dropped to 10k in the course of 3 months |
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| 18:10.50 | Simca | the card stopped being printed 2 years ago |
| 18:11.14 | Gnarfoz | that is not proof of anything apart from the price dropping |
| 18:11.15 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 18:11.33 | Semlar | neffi i got a mythic warforged hat with a socket that i can't use because it would break my 4 set |
| 18:12.02 | Gnarfoz | sounds like you need to get another set piece |
| 18:12.14 | Semlar | can't kill the boss that drops it |
| 18:12.17 | Simca | i feel safe enough in the conclusion that there is duping going on that I would bet my life on it |
| 18:12.20 | Simca | lol |
| 18:13.00 | Gnarfoz | he ded |
| 18:13.03 | Gnarfoz | liek so ded |
| 18:13.22 | Simca | though i suppose it hardly matters |
| 18:13.33 | Simca | the market is ruined, stopping the duping won't change that |
| 18:13.55 | Neffi | Semlar: D: |
| 18:14.19 | Semlar | :( |
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| 18:29.05 | kd3 | will this stop the QQing or open the floodgates? "We've applied a hotfix that reduces PvP damage by 10% in response to an overall increase in damage since Patch 6.1 launched." |
| 18:29.25 | nevcairiel | both |
| 18:30.06 | Stanzilla | qq will just switch to "healers are op" now |
| 18:34.46 | Fisker | healers are op |
| 18:35.03 | Stanzilla | see? |
| 18:35.37 | Fisker | Just saying it was silly since healers were op |
| 18:35.46 | fewyn | HEALERS ARE OP |
| 18:35.51 | fewyn | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 18:36.48 | Fisker | oh boy |
| 18:36.54 | Fisker | Apple store is finally down for a real reason |
| 18:44.23 | znf | they're adding more usb type-c adapters for $100? |
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| 18:58.22 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: http://cardsagainstoriginality.com/ |
| 18:59.47 | Simca | interesting |
| 18:59.53 | Simca | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentMapZone is completely wrong |
| 19:00.24 | Simca | wonder why/when its returns radically changed |
| 19:00.49 | nevcairiel | the returns of it didnt change |
| 19:01.01 | nevcairiel | the returns of the getmapzones function changed |
| 19:01.20 | Simca | GetCurrentMapZone() has 5 returns now |
| 19:01.27 | Simca | wowprogramming's version says 1 return |
| 19:01.41 | nevcairiel | oh yeah they added the map size a long time ago |
| 19:02.15 | Torhal | WoW Programming (the book) was released for WotLK. The map API changed in Cata |
| 19:02.26 | Torhal | So yeah, unless someone edits that page it's going to be wrong. |
| 19:02.34 | Simca | and further in MoP |
| 19:02.49 | Simca | (access to map transforms) |
| 19:02.52 | Torhal | Looks like WoWPedia's is wrong as well. |
| 19:03.18 | Fisker | however old Torhal |
| 19:03.50 | nevcairiel | The big thing is that before 6.0, GetMapZones() returned a list that matched the index as returned by GetCurrentMapZone |
| 19:03.55 | nevcairiel | since 6.0, the API is different |
| 19:04.17 | Fisker | did you try coding a gui in visual basic? |
| 19:04.29 | nevcairiel | and the only way to get it is to use SetMapByID and calling GetCurrentMapZone |
| 19:05.01 | Simca | You should be able to every single relevant piece of info without any SetX functions now |
| 19:05.14 | Simca | the only thing you can't get is map file name |
| 19:05.17 | Simca | and you don't need that |
| 19:05.23 | Simca | because 0 functions use it |
| 19:05.34 | nevcairiel | you kinda do if you want API users to allow using it |
| 19:05.39 | nevcairiel | which is kinda convenient |
| 19:05.49 | Simca | they shouldn't be using outdated shit |
| 19:05.55 | Simca | they should be using the numbers |
| 19:06.38 | Simca | I know strings are pretty and shiny but the string is useful for no purposes other than looking at it |
| 19:07.43 | Simca | I have a dream that someday we will live in a world where addons don't move the map. |
| 19:07.49 | nevcairiel | this is true, but if i were to actually finally build my map library, it would be super inconvenient to not support it |
| 19:09.02 | Simca | i think the best way to be backwards compatible with badly coded addons is to hardcode the map file names in a Constants.lua file and have the repo open. somebody can update it each patch. |
| 19:10.05 | Simca | that way you don't move the map for the sake of addons that want strings so badly, and if there is ever a delay in updating, it is the outdated addons that are punished instead of the user. |
| 19:11.18 | nevcairiel | could generate the constants.lua with a script, but yeah |
| 19:11.48 | nevcairiel | with foxlits lua casc and db parsers its so easy to do this stuff |
| 19:12.14 | Stanzilla | are you on LibNavigon atm? |
| 19:12.40 | nevcairiel | i bet the minute i start actually properly writing it, someone else comes up with a library =P |
| 19:14.21 | Stanzilla | if you keep delaying it, sure :D |
| 19:16.50 | Simca | i'm sure he's like most people here and already juggling many projects |
| 19:17.11 | Stanzilla | and I'm only nagging him because it's fun anyway :p |
| 19:17.25 | Torhal | Simca: Chiefest project is laziness, according to him. |
| 19:17.50 | nevcairiel | pretty busy with work atm, so any free time i prefer to play |
| 19:19.02 | Semlar | Simca: you can't get the current floor without setting the map |
| 19:19.24 | Simca | GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel()? |
| 19:19.29 | Semlar | current map |
| 19:19.38 | Simca | you said current floor |
| 19:19.56 | Semlar | it returns what the MAP is set to |
| 19:20.02 | Semlar | not your current location |
| 19:20.16 | Simca | right |
| 19:20.37 | Simca | if addons never touch SetX, the map will always show your current location |
| 19:20.42 | Semlar | that's not true |
| 19:21.14 | Semlar | if you move between floors on a map like going from orgrimmar to the cleft it will not update the map |
| 19:21.44 | Simca | that is true because the floors are not really floors but sub areas |
| 19:21.44 | nevcairiel | the game actually only changes the map to current location on open, not while its open, so yeah if you move it can be wrong |
| 19:21.54 | Simca | as well |
| 19:22.27 | Simca | I wonder what it would do if you called RefreshWorldMap() |
| 19:24.15 | Semlar | it would be nice if they made it possible to use all of the map functions as if you had called SetMapToCurrentZone without calling SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 19:25.32 | Simca | I was thinking this morning, how many problems would it solve if there was a GetDBValue(dbName, row, fieldName) function |
| 19:25.38 | nevcairiel | there is a bunch of info relating to floors that dont seem to be available |
| 19:25.55 | nevcairiel | ie. GetNumDungeonMapLevels, GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel, DungeonUsesTerrainMap |
| 19:26.33 | Simca | what is DungeonUsesTerrainMap anyway |
| 19:26.43 | Semlar | orgrimmar uses the terrain map but has multiple floors |
| 19:26.49 | nevcairiel | i forget what it does exactly |
| 19:26.55 | nevcairiel | would need to look up |
| 19:27.13 | Semlar | an instance like ragefire wouldn't be considered to use the terrain map because it's nothing but dungeon maps |
| 19:27.30 | Semlar | but orgrimmar is outdoors, and a zone map basically |
| 19:27.38 | Semlar | so it's treated differently |
| 19:27.50 | Simca | man the lua API people just invented words every time they felt like it |
| 19:27.59 | Simca | terrainMapIDs are something completely different then |
| 19:28.03 | Semlar | a dungeon map is literally any map with floors |
| 19:28.11 | nevcairiel | so right now, i dont see how you could make a comprehensive map library without setting the map |
| 19:28.26 | nevcairiel | or without hard-coding *a lot* |
| 19:28.47 | Simca | i'm pretty sure GetNumDungeonMapLevels is the return of another function |
| 19:28.52 | Semlar | i would set the map once on a zone change and record everything you might need |
| 19:29.07 | nevcairiel | but i might need info for zones i'm not in |
| 19:29.16 | Semlar | for what |
| 19:29.16 | nevcairiel | a library cant make assumptions on stuff people use it for |
| 19:29.54 | nevcairiel | setting all maps on login isnt really that bad |
| 19:30.07 | Semlar | it's not ideal and not necessary |
| 19:30.22 | Semlar | if you really need that information, i would cache it in a saved variable |
| 19:30.30 | Semlar | and then clear it when the game version changes |
| 19:30.32 | nevcairiel | libraries cant have SVs |
| 19:30.45 | Semlar | of course they can, datastore has them |
| 19:30.54 | nevcairiel | but its super annoying to manage them |
| 19:31.03 | nevcairiel | because you cant be a simple embedded lib |
| 19:31.18 | nevcairiel | i might as well build a script to generate hard-coded tables |
| 19:31.40 | Semlar | but those would have to be updated whereas this would update itself |
| 19:32.06 | Semlar | but realistically you don't need to store information about other maps unless you're trying to draw them |
| 19:32.19 | Simca | yes, you do, for path calculation |
| 19:32.22 | Semlar | no you don't |
| 19:32.40 | Simca | you need to know where the borders of your destination are |
| 19:32.43 | Semlar | what possible reason could you have to store other map information when you have global coordinates |
| 19:33.28 | Semlar | you have the instanceID, the global x and y and you can point it out from anywhere in that instance |
| 19:34.09 | Simca | data is stored for these addons in the format: zoneID/name, localX, localY |
| 19:34.12 | Semlar | not to mention you can get the boundaries of zones if you need them without switching maps |
| 19:34.25 | Simca | yeah you would need to do that. |
| 19:34.31 | Semlar | data should not be stored for the addons that way |
| 19:34.49 | Semlar | a new map library should NOT do taht |
| 19:34.57 | Simca | yeah it's the user-end of things |
| 19:35.15 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.25 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.35 | Simca | or whatever |
| 19:35.35 | Semlar | i already wrote a function that takes a map name and local coordinates and converts it to global coordinates without changing maps |
| 19:36.03 | Simca | yeah you only need GetAreaMaps/GetAreaMapInfo |
| 19:36.31 | nevcairiel | but then there are maps where getareainfo returns all zeros, because they have floors |
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| 19:36.48 | Semlar | i cover that too |
| 19:37.33 | Semlar | or rather, there are no maps where the base map isn't in the area table |
| 19:37.52 | Semlar | all maps with floors still have an area id |
| 19:37.55 | Stanzilla | this just made my day https://github.com/ShareX/ShareX/issues/543#issuecomment-78341940 |
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| 19:38.51 | Semlar | so unless you need to support something like /way Skull Rock 50 50 you don't need to handle the dungeon maps too |
| 19:40.01 | Semlar | if you do need to do that you need to store the name from GetMapInfo which requires setting the map at some point |
| 19:41.12 | Simca | name from getmapinfo is file name, you would want localized name from GetMapNameByID |
| 19:41.31 | Semlar | i'm talking about the floor name, which requires the map file name |
| 19:41.45 | Semlar | because they're stored in global variables based on the map file name |
| 19:42.10 | Simca | ah, right, i forgot about that lovely lovely system |
| 19:42.39 | Semlar | eg. skull rock is technically a floor belonging to durotar (even though you can't set it), and its name is in a global variable based on durotar's file name |
| 19:43.43 | Simca | in theory nobody needs floor names and you can build the rest of the info about the floors with GetDungeonMaps/GetDungeonMapInfo |
| 19:43.48 | Semlar | i had at one point written a function to unregister WORLD_MAP_UPDATE from every frame in the interface while i scanned maps and set them back |
| 19:44.10 | nevcairiel | thats not particularly hard |
| 19:44.24 | Semlar | i'm hoping that can't cause any race conditions |
| 19:44.42 | Simca | taint all the things |
| 19:44.47 | Semlar | shouldn't taint anything |
| 19:45.04 | Semlar | but i don't want to re-register the event if it somehow was supposed to be unregistered while it was scanning |
| 19:45.09 | Semlar | i don't think that's possible |
| 19:45.33 | Simca | no, shouldn't be |
| 19:45.56 | Simca | events can happen out of order but I don't think they can ever just 'not happen' |
| 19:46.09 | Semlar | basically just loop over the frames registered for the event and store the frame reference in a table so you can register it again when you're done |
| 19:46.35 | Semlar | should cut down on any addons doing any processing in response to the massive number of map changes while you scan |
| 19:47.31 | nevcairiel | i tried to find the floor info without changing the map when i wrote this code initially for gathermate, but i couldnt associate the data from the area ids to the parent map id |
| 19:47.44 | Semlar | still, i'd like to collect information about the player's current map every time they change zones |
| 19:48.13 | nevcairiel | the code for some micro-optimization for that will probably end up being quite weird and confusing, i rather just gather it once |
| 19:48.21 | nevcairiel | i do that with gathermate without any significant performance cost |
| 19:48.54 | Semlar | sometimes you need to know what map and mainly what floor a player currently on |
| 19:49.01 | pompy | http://toyland.gizmodo.com/you-can-now-play-cards-against-humanity-online-with-any-1690772752 |
| 19:50.05 | fewyn | that's been around for awhile |
| 19:50.18 | fewyn | or well versions of it |
| 19:50.22 | fewyn | not sure if it's that specific one |
| 19:55.49 | nevcairiel | The only annoying part with map info is getting the current position in local coordinates, which would involve requiring a set map call on a zone change at the least |
| 19:55.56 | nevcairiel | but admittedly a single call is probably irrelevant |
| 19:57.08 | nevcairiel | gathermate does that too, and it seems to be working fine for now |
| 20:00.09 | Primer | I've been noticing this casting "lag" recently, but it's not really lag. The cast bar shows no lag (quartz). It just seems that I can't start the next cast as soon as I used to be able to. |
| 20:00.48 | Primer | Others have been able to confirm it too, in that it just "feels" different, but with no visible latency issues. |
| 20:01.14 | karl_w_w | this is pretty awesome http://www.pcgamer.com/the-strange-tale-of-a-cities-skylines-town-with-only-one-house/ |
| 20:01.34 | Primer | I'm wondering if anyone else here has experienced this recently |
| 20:01.38 | Semlar | Primer: they changed how the network works or something to be more responsive |
| 20:01.44 | Semlar | but that was a while ago |
| 20:01.52 | Primer | Well, I want it changed back! |
| 20:02.12 | Semlar | like before you could execute a series of commands they'd be processed as a batch |
| 20:02.24 | Semlar | every x milliseconds |
| 20:02.35 | Primer | It seems this is a 6.1 thing |
| 20:02.37 | Semlar | and now it just does it as soon as you press the button or something |
| 20:02.38 | Primer | that's when I noticed it |
| 20:03.49 | Semlar | i don't remember what they called it |
| 20:03.58 | Semlar | may be something unrelated anyway |
| 20:04.46 | Semlar | http://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Warlords_of_Draenor#Reduced_latency it's described here though |
| 20:06.40 | Primer | I think this is something more recent than that |
| 20:09.11 | Semlar | i don't know then |
| 20:09.49 | Primer | I feel it more as a healer, but a guildy mage said he felt it too |
| 20:09.53 | Primer | that it just "felt wrong" |
| 20:14.02 | zenzelezz | I swear the single hardest dish in Hell's Kitchen is scallops. Every contestant will speak of how simple it is, and they all fail at it |
| 20:15.00 | Semlar | WELCOME TO HELL |
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| 20:20.14 | jleclanche | Shirik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0u4M6vppCI |
| 20:20.50 | jleclanche | It's a bit weird it's resurfacing now |
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| 20:41.12 | Neffi | here Cairenn http://i.imgur.com/IomGkRU.webm |
| 20:41.42 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:42.34 | Cairenn | poor little kittehs, they have no idea what's going on |
| 20:43.37 | Thunder_Child | Tbh neither do humans. |
| 20:44.11 | Cairenn | True enough |
| 20:50.06 | fewyn | :( elsanglin.com is down |
| 20:51.39 | fewyn | seems lunkers can drop without nat now |
| 20:51.42 | fewyn | that's interesting |
| 20:51.46 | fewyn | i don't remember that note for 6.1 |
| 21:02.31 | Stanzilla | probably a bug |
| 21:02.38 | Stanzilla | so glad that I'm done with that shit btw |
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| 21:02.43 | Stanzilla | probably spent 3 days just fishing |
| 21:02.58 | fewyn | i stil need like 75 more coins |
| 21:03.05 | Simca | all of el's sites have been down for a week now |
| 21:03.14 | fewyn | el has more than one site? |
| 21:03.26 | Simca | personal blog about transportation issues (his real job) |
| 21:03.30 | Simca | it's slightly worrying |
| 21:03.30 | fewyn | ah |
| 21:04.07 | Simca | since he hasn't posted a message on the forums or twitter since Feburary either |
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| 22:05.27 | fewyn | thank god almost done disenchanting all these greens |
| 22:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | i vendor any green that sells for <200g on the AH unless it's gonna give me draenic dust |
| 22:17.28 | fewyn | old mats sell decently |
| 22:24.23 | zenzelezz | seems like Youtube started showing "1K", "4K" etc. on the like counter O_o |
| 22:25.52 | karl_w_w | http://esportsexpress.com/2015/03/top-8-awkward-esports-videos/ :D |
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| 22:31.03 | foxlit | jleclanche: guesswork from game data based on class. |
| 22:31.11 | jleclanche | mmk |
| 22:37.27 | foxlit | (in principle, there is no reason it should be accurate, but nobody has complained thus far) |
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| 23:23.43 | foxlit | i wish there was a way to flag google translate-sourced translations in the curse translation UI as permanently needing review |
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| 23:24.31 | nevcairiel | how does permanent review make sense, what if they actually get reviewed and corrected |
| 23:24.57 | foxlit | its an unfortunate solution; you can guess the relevant problem. |
| 23:25.51 | foxlit | or just generally communicate that you shouldn't flag anything as not needing review unless you're at least mildly competent in the relevant language |
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| 23:27.34 | foxlit | (I guess a less-flawed solution might be to give me a button that says "never let this guy review translations", although that still requires an almost impossible amount of attention and knowledge on my part) |
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