| 00:38.32 | jleclanche | Simca: ping |
| 00:38.57 | Simca | jleclanche: pong |
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| 01:40.46 | Simca | Primer: Tentative Astrolabe fix - http://www.curseforge.com/paste/11772/ |
| 01:40.54 | Simca | test when you have a chance plz |
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| 01:58.31 | Stanzilla | does it fix the horrible performance, too? :E |
| 02:36.59 | Simca | no |
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| 02:51.15 | Gnarfoz | does it fix the loading times? |
| 02:51.28 | Gnarfoz | (I guess that falls under performance) |
| 03:04.13 | Gnarfoz | lol, I hadn't timed it before |
| 03:04.15 | Gnarfoz | this is bad |
| 03:04.36 | Gnarfoz | disabling the 3 addons using Astrolabe reduces my ui reload time from 41 seconds to 11 |
| 03:05.12 | Gnarfoz | how can anyone maintaining an addon that uses Astrolabe live with this? :| |
| 03:05.42 | Neffi | infinitely fast computer? |
| 03:06.09 | Thunder_Child | Or no alternatives. |
| 03:08.18 | Gnarfoz | fork+fix seems viable |
| 03:09.09 | Iriel | or fix-and-mail-essamyn-a-patch |
| 03:15.52 | fewyn | [22:15:39] Congratulations, you have reached [Level 100]! |
| 03:16.23 | fewyn | #15 |
| 03:16.27 | Iriel | fewyn: First one? |
| 03:16.33 | fewyn | no |
| 03:16.36 | fewyn | 15th =p |
| 03:16.40 | Iriel | 15th!? Impressive! |
| 03:17.59 | Iriel | How many 90âs did you have before wod? |
| 03:18.03 | fewyn | uh |
| 03:18.05 | fewyn | too many? |
| 03:18.11 | fewyn | https://www.wowthing.org/u/fewyn/#overview |
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| 03:31.40 | Gnarfoz | dang, all of your female chars are married! |
| 03:47.55 | fewyn | lol |
| 03:48.00 | fewyn | it anons it for some reason |
| 03:48.04 | fewyn | can't turn it off |
| 03:53.20 | znf | gotta watch out for stalkers |
| 04:12.54 | Primer | Simca: testing now |
| 04:14.31 | Primer | Simca: Zoned into the mine just fine when ordinarily I'd see the problem |
| 04:16.55 | Primer | Simca: Thing is, what now? Fork it and put it in a repo? |
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| 05:17.13 | Semlar | blast furnace feels really overtuned |
| 05:17.23 | Semlar | or we're missing something |
| 05:39.08 | Simca | Primer: can try to find people who know esa |
| 05:40.20 | Iriel | I see him log into bnet pretty much every day |
| 05:40.23 | Iriel | heâs not on now tho |
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| 05:53.00 | Simca | Mr_Rabies: Enchanter's hut (level 2, horde) work order bonuses / XP gains are still 100% broken |
| 05:53.10 | Simca | so they didn't fix everything |
| 05:56.19 | Primer | Simca: I'll wait a few days on this to 1) make sure the bugs are gone and 2) see if Esammyn responds. Otherwise I'm forking Astrolabe. |
| 05:56.29 | Primer | Presuming the license allows it. |
| 05:56.38 | Simca | it does, it's LGPL iirc |
| 05:56.46 | Primer | I'm going to guess it does, as jnwhiteh has forked it. |
| 05:56.58 | Torhal | GNU Lesser General Public License version 2.1 (LGPLv2.1) |
| 05:58.02 | Simca | my solution works but it is not pretty so he may reject it on those grounds |
| 05:58.04 | Primer | Well, let's give him a chance to respond. |
| 05:58.16 | Primer | Iriel: perhaps give him a nudge when you see him on bnet? |
| 05:58.32 | Primer | Iriel: and point him to a URL Simca's about to give you :) |
| 05:58.36 | Primer | Simca: ^^^^^^ |
| 05:58.39 | Simca | http://www.curseforge.com/paste/11772/ |
| 05:58.55 | Iriel | I wont remember a URL! |
| 05:59.08 | Simca | i'm going to put it on his comments page for astrolabe on curseforge |
| 05:59.15 | Simca | just tell him to check there |
| 06:00.38 | Torhal | And tell him that dodging us is a meaniepants thing to do. |
| 06:02.07 | Iriel | I sent my work email a reminder |
| 06:02.21 | Torhal | goes to bed. |
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| 06:19.36 | Simca | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/astrolabe/#c29 Primer |
| 06:33.32 | karl_w_w | I am making just ridiculous amounts of gold out of my garrison |
| 06:34.11 | karl_w_w | which says to me I am in the minority as somebody who bothers to log in once a day to spend 5 minutes doing the rounds |
| 06:43.47 | karl_w_w | also, where are the movies Big Hero 1 through 5? |
| 06:47.09 | Arrowmaster | those are the sequels, the number keeps going down as characters are killed off |
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| 06:50.43 | karl_w_w | ah I see |
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| 07:08.18 | Primer | Simca: I plan to keep an eye on the Astrolabe repo, just in case this gets applied. Thanks for all your hard work! |
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| 07:33.34 | jleclanche | foxlit: the mission "Too Much Business" confuses me. It's level 90, but master plan says it's ilvl 675 |
| 07:34.32 | jleclanche | foxlit: http://i.imgur.com/LEQdlts.jpg |
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| 07:47.20 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, is the equipment manager stuff stored locally at all? |
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| 08:34.42 | foxlit | jleclanche: they can flag it as both. If you still have it, submit http://townlong-yak/master-plan/data/ ; it would be interesting to see how it actually resolves. |
| 08:35.15 | jleclanche | foxlit: i think i started it but it didnt finish yet, does that still help? |
| 08:35.33 | foxlit | nope, too late. |
| 08:35.54 | jleclanche | bah |
| 08:36.49 | jleclanche | foxlit: also thats not an url |
| 08:36.54 | jleclanche | well, it is, but it doesnt resolve |
| 08:37.00 | foxlit | .com |
| 08:37.07 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowdb.com/garrison/missions/379-too-much-business says it is indeed 90/675 |
| 08:37.57 | jleclanche | foxlit: for what its worth, my followers lvl 96 and such were red, but when i added them to the mission, they could handle the abilities np |
| 08:38.10 | foxlit | actually, what party did you send, and what is its success chance? |
| 08:38.49 | Mr_Rabies | aww yiss |
| 08:39.06 | Mr_Rabies | only one stack of determinance on kromog |
| 08:39.17 | Mr_Rabies | whipped the group into shape i guess :v |
| 08:39.40 | jleclanche | foxlit: ill get you a screenshot in 10 mins |
| 08:40.43 | foxlit | text of level/abilities/traits would be better |
| 08:41.57 | foxlit | but thank you; it sounds like I should ignore ilevel for non-100 missions. |
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| 08:44.44 | jleclanche | foxlit: actually the screenshot i sent you is the party i sent |
| 08:45.05 | jleclanche | i can get you the ability names in a bit |
| 09:08.55 | jleclanche | foxlit: hah, I have the mission again |
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| 09:09.16 | jleclanche | oh, I didnt start it, nvm |
| 09:10.17 | Simca | <jleclanche> foxlit: for what its worth, my followers lvl 96 and such were red, but when i added them to the mission, they could handle the abilities np |
| 09:10.31 | Simca | this sounds like a moderate blizzard bug |
| 09:10.50 | Simca | there's absolutely no chance this is intended to be a level 90 mission lol |
| 09:10.59 | Simca | a 4-mechanic level 90 mission, for srs? |
| 09:12.00 | Simca | i guess somebody was like "making 675 missions, what do I put for level... guess I'll just mash my face into the keyboard and see what happens" |
| 09:12.55 | jleclanche | Simca: and it costs 60 resources |
| 09:13.05 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:13.12 | Simca | it was obviously supposed to be 100/675 |
| 09:13.25 | jleclanche | you were obviously supposed to be 100/675 |
| 09:13.39 | jleclanche | https://imgrush.com/9DxGdbrmMweE |
| 09:13.40 | jleclanche | foxlit: ^ |
| 09:13.44 | jleclanche | foxlit: ill get you the data |
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| 09:15.17 | phelps | so I followed this guide and made some changes to my network config stuff on windows |
| 09:15.41 | phelps | went from 75mbps to 106mbps |
| 09:15.45 | phelps | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4182225998 |
| 09:16.20 | phelps | here I thought it was my ISP being a douche |
| 09:16.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm at about 6 mbit :( |
| 09:17.09 | Simca | throughput at that level stops being relevant though, phelps |
| 09:17.12 | nevcairiel | default settings are usually fine on windows, so unless your ISP requires some black magic, or you mucked it up before... =p |
| 09:17.27 | phelps | Simca, yeah, totally, but I'd still like to see the speed I pay for |
| 09:17.43 | phelps | even if its only on a speedtest |
| 09:17.49 | Simca | you're better off with 20 ms latency and 20 mbps than 30 ms latency and 300 mbps, for our purposes anyway |
| 09:17.58 | jleclanche | foxlit: can i gzip the file instead of zip or does it expect zip |
| 09:18.08 | phelps | I'd pay the same price to flip those numbers around tbh |
| 09:18.17 | phelps | 8mbps is a _bit_ low |
| 09:18.33 | nevcairiel | you would rather suffer through 8 down? :p |
| 09:18.45 | phelps | to have the option to host from home ? hell yeah |
| 09:19.07 | phelps | I'd pay the same price for 20/100 |
| 09:19.31 | phelps | I'm just excited, they recently upgraded to DOCSIS 3 |
| 09:19.42 | Simca | heh |
| 09:19.52 | phelps | paying the same price for 10x faster internet |
| 09:19.59 | Simca | my area uses DOCSIS 3, I get 24mbps down, 2mbps up |
| 09:20.02 | phelps | its a hell of a way to gain some customer raiting |
| 09:20.03 | jleclanche | phelps: virgin? |
| 09:20.12 | phelps | jleclanche, for life bro :( |
| 09:20.27 | jleclanche | phelps: I'm asking about your isp, not you |
| 09:20.28 | Simca | I think he meant the ISP |
| 09:20.29 | Simca | lol |
| 09:20.32 | phelps | haha |
| 09:20.44 | nevcairiel | but thanks for sharing |
| 09:20.47 | phelps | nah, Suddenlink |
| 09:20.59 | phelps | or Cox if you're 40 miles north |
| 09:21.09 | phelps | pretty much the same company |
| 09:21.30 | phelps | still no native IPv6 |
| 09:22.47 | jleclanche | according to adrian kennard, most UK ISPs will upgrade to ipv6 this year |
| 09:23.07 | phelps | its dumb that my ping to a suddenlink speedtest node is higher than others |
| 09:23.14 | phelps | shouldn't this be 1 or 2 hops ... |
| 09:23.31 | phelps | 48ms is pretty high for being in the same network |
| 09:24.12 | Gnarfoz | who's that bloke |
| 09:24.21 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.28 | Gnarfoz | what's that org? :D |
| 09:24.36 | jleclanche | a good isp in the uk |
| 09:24.37 | Gnarfoz | anonymous alcoholics amongst internet service providers? |
| 09:24.41 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 09:24.42 | phelps | idk, but when he's 47 years old, he could write on a card or something A.K. 47 |
| 09:24.50 | Gnarfoz | (guess that's one A too many) |
| 09:24.53 | Simca | phelps: probably caused by something like this http://i.imgur.com/Ucb7rsD.png |
| 09:24.58 | jleclanche | I think he's 50ish |
| 09:25.02 | jleclanche | so it's too late for that |
| 09:25.06 | phelps | lolol Simca |
| 09:25.11 | jleclanche | Simca: rofl |
| 09:26.02 | Kalroth | ISPs are assholes, they'd route you though an australian dial-up if they could save a cent |
| 09:26.37 | phelps | the reason I upgraded from 50mbps to 100mbps was to increase my data cap |
| 09:26.46 | phelps | 250GB/m with a 50mbps connection |
| 09:26.49 | phelps | I can use that in a day |
| 09:27.00 | phelps | 425GB on 100mbps |
| 09:27.03 | Kalroth | my ISP just removed their fair-use cap, as noone was reaching it anyways |
| 09:27.12 | phelps | it was cheaper to increase my speed than it was to add data usage to my cap |
| 09:27.18 | Kalroth | so i've gone from 2500GB a month to no limits, yaay |
| 09:27.39 | phelps | I hit my cap every month and pay $20 per 50GB |
| 09:27.43 | Kalroth | ouch |
| 09:27.48 | phelps | but I have no other ISP options here |
| 09:28.02 | phelps | yay monopoly |
| 09:28.02 | nevcairiel | i would probably reach 250gb limit as well, although maybe not every month |
| 09:28.23 | Kalroth | I usually sit around 1TB a month, with my current usage anyways |
| 09:28.32 | Simca | i hit my cap monthly too (250 GB) but comcast isn't enforcing it |
| 09:28.36 | Kalroth | but i could probably cut it in half if i wanted |
| 09:28.40 | phelps | with 3 people watching netflix/plex/youtube and a few torrents |
| 09:28.47 | phelps | I could blow past 1TB |
| 09:29.19 | Simca | for whatever reason i've never liked streaming media |
| 09:29.27 | Simca | i always download everything |
| 09:29.30 | Kalroth | tv, movies, twitch and boobies are the main offenders for me |
| 09:29.33 | Kalroth | and i'm like Simca |
| 09:29.46 | Kalroth | i don't trust my ISP or online services enough to stream shows or movies |
| 09:29.50 | phelps | maybe this new law will remove that |
| 09:30.00 | Kalroth | its a full download to my NAS or nothing |
| 09:30.17 | phelps | I have a few TB of offline media |
| 09:30.30 | phelps | but this plex server has a few k movies, I couldn't download those just because my cap |
| 09:31.10 | phelps | and Suddenlink will honor DMCA notices |
| 09:31.21 | phelps | 3 strikes and they cut your service off for 6 months |
| 09:31.32 | phelps | so I cant easily pirate movies |
| 09:31.43 | phelps | makes streaming fantastic |
| 09:31.47 | Mr_Rabies | could get a vpn :v |
| 09:31.48 | Kalroth | sure you can, just dont use public torrents |
| 09:32.06 | phelps | yeah, I have private trackers but I can't seed because upload kills my cap |
| 09:32.17 | phelps | so its hard to keep a good ratio |
| 09:32.30 | Kalroth | yeah, i guess so |
| 09:32.34 | phelps | I have OpenVPN Access Server on my VPS |
| 09:32.34 | Kalroth | go usenet then :) |
| 09:32.44 | Simca | upload affects your cap? |
| 09:32.52 | phelps | but if it cuts out for even a few min... they'll fuck me |
| 09:33.01 | phelps | Simca, yeah, both directions |
| 09:33.05 | Kalroth | yup Simca |
| 09:33.10 | Simca | then again my upload speed is so shit that even if I maxed it for the entire month it wouldn't be that much |
| 09:33.31 | phelps | 1MiB/s is fast enough to really add up |
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| 09:33.51 | phelps | 12MiB down is really fun though, a full movie in 3 or 4 min |
| 09:34.10 | Kalroth | i'm in the process of upgrading my 150mbit to 300mbit |
| 09:34.18 | phelps | fiber ? |
| 09:34.22 | phelps | or can cable do that now |
| 09:34.23 | Kalroth | cable |
| 09:34.35 | Simca | mine is like 300 kbps upload at best |
| 09:34.39 | phelps | damn, amazing what can fit on a single copper wire |
| 09:34.51 | Simca | i cap my overall seeing at 250 kbps |
| 09:35.05 | Simca | seeding* |
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| 09:35.17 | phelps | to remove my data cap I can upgrade to business for about $800/m |
| 09:35.24 | phelps | and thats 20/20 |
| 09:35.32 | phelps | $1400 for 50/50 |
| 09:35.34 | Kalroth | there's a bunch of channels available, and you get like 55mbit per channel |
| 09:35.37 | phelps | and $2800 for 100/50 |
| 09:35.48 | phelps | with a 1 year pre-paid contract |
| 09:35.56 | phelps | :| |
| 09:36.16 | foxlit | jleclanche: it expects a zip. |
| 09:36.27 | Kalroth | wiki lists docsis 3 configurations with up to 24 channels, so ~1200mbit |
| 09:36.27 | phelps | Kalroth, channel ? |
| 09:36.36 | phelps | I need to read how docsis works |
| 09:36.42 | Mr_Rabies | eh, if i can get a private tracker invite, these companies sending subpoenas can, Kalroth |
| 09:36.43 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Features |
| 09:36.58 | Simca | I'm pretty sure max modem support atm is 16 channels |
| 09:37.03 | Simca | and those modems are expensive |
| 09:37.07 | Kalroth | Mr_Rabies: sure, but that wont be an automated subpoena |
| 09:37.10 | Simca | standard modern modem is 8 channels |
| 09:37.27 | jleclanche | foxlit: i uploaded it |
| 09:37.37 | Kalroth | Simca: yeah, but the 8 channel ones are common and they support up to ~400mbit |
| 09:37.51 | phelps | I wonder what the bandwidth of air is |
| 09:37.53 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:37.54 | Mr_Rabies | how's it any different from a public one in that regard, Kalroth? |
| 09:38.06 | phelps | how much data can fit into the physical spectrum |
| 09:38.25 | Kalroth | Mr_Rabies: that they need an active account to monitor the torrent servers, which means someone has to put in the effort |
| 09:38.31 | phelps | i should send that to Vsauce |
| 09:38.37 | Mr_Rabies | ah i guess yeah |
| 09:39.00 | phelps | I got a notice about a GTA:SA download, I own that game |
| 09:39.02 | Simca | it's not just that. there's encryption to prevent MitM (if that was ever a threat) and help against traffic shaping from your ISP |
| 09:39.08 | phelps | doesn't that make it perfectly legal ? |
| 09:39.14 | Simca | no |
| 09:39.15 | Kalroth | phelps: sadly no |
| 09:39.24 | phelps | how dumb |
| 09:39.25 | jleclanche | first power shortage in 250 days |
| 09:39.25 | jleclanche | bah |
| 09:39.33 | Simca | i swear there is some sort of irony with that |
| 09:39.45 | Simca | the only notice i've ever got was for a PSP game I legitimately owned |
| 09:39.47 | Kalroth | I own most of my movies on bluray, yet it's not legal to download the 1080P rip |
| 09:40.00 | Simca | all of the things I don't own - nada |
| 09:40.27 | phelps | an almost 5 year old GTA torrent... and they got me |
| 09:40.35 | phelps | fuck rockstar and fuck that company |
| 09:40.37 | Kalroth | owned |
| 09:40.56 | phelps | it was GTA:SA Online + Mods for my cousin |
| 09:41.05 | Kalroth | what, you got caught with your hands in the cookiejar and you blame rockstar? :P |
| 09:41.05 | Simca | (PSP games are on these awful disc cartridge things so downloading a rip and putting it on a memory stick vastly decreases loading times when gaming) |
| 09:41.07 | phelps | I think I have 1 strike left |
| 09:41.26 | phelps | I own every rockstar game, cmon |
| 09:41.55 | Kalroth | Simca: yeah, it wouldn't be Sony without a shitty custom storage media format |
| 09:42.24 | phelps | what was the sd card format called |
| 09:42.40 | Simca | memory stick pro duo |
| 09:42.54 | phelps | $100 for a 4GB card is what I remember |
| 09:42.57 | jleclanche | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick |
| 09:42.58 | jleclanche | oh my god |
| 09:43.02 | Simca | those were annoying but at least they were functional |
| 09:43.06 | Simca | UMDs were the worst |
| 09:43.31 | Simca | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Media_Disc |
| 09:43.37 | phelps | I never had my own PSP.... kinda want one tbh |
| 09:43.38 | Simca | horrible horrible things |
| 09:43.53 | phelps | they're still making new ones right |
| 09:44.11 | Simca | PSP Go i think |
| 09:44.19 | Simca | (ones without a UMD drive) |
| 09:44.26 | phelps | PS Vita |
| 09:44.33 | phelps | 3 years old tho |
| 09:44.37 | phelps | still newer than xbox |
| 09:44.48 | NuSuey | damn, need some cheap usb sticks .. so I can just have one to be some linux install, windows install.. etc.. getting annoyed that I have just two and need to reformat and backup stuff from them constantly to be able to do stuff :D |
| 09:45.05 | Gnarfoz | so buy some, it's not like they're expensive |
| 09:45.17 | phelps | i got some micro SD cards from ebay, 64GB SanDisk cards for $30 |
| 09:45.21 | phelps | how amazing is that |
| 09:45.43 | phelps | go china |
| 09:45.45 | NuSuey | wow |
| 09:45.51 | NuSuey | they aren't fake ? |
| 09:45.52 | NuSuey | :o |
| 09:45.57 | phelps | nope, as real as I can tell |
| 09:46.09 | phelps | nice transfer speeds and they haven't died |
| 09:46.19 | phelps | using them in a GoPro |
| 09:46.23 | phelps | so plenty of usage on them too |
| 09:46.45 | phelps | I've probably writen 64GB to this card a few dozen times |
| 09:47.14 | Simca | transfer speeds on cheap cards are almost always mediocre but it's still worth it because that isn't a super big deal |
| 09:47.53 | phelps | it takes about 5 min to transfer 64GB |
| 09:48.08 | phelps | using the GoPro as the card reader |
| 09:49.04 | phelps | SDHC class 10 |
| 09:49.23 | phelps | or it might be SDXC |
| 09:50.45 | phelps | oh wow, they can fit 200GB on a micro SD card |
| 09:50.56 | phelps | thats crazy |
| 09:51.31 | phelps | http://www.sandisk.com/about-sandisk/press-room/press-releases/2015/200gb-sandisk-ultra-microsdxc-uhs-i-card-premium-edition/ |
| 09:51.52 | phelps | wouldn't you like to take this back to 1980 and show some people |
| 09:51.59 | phelps | blow some minds |
| 09:52.17 | Kalroth | i would really run a proper fake flash tool on those cards, phelps |
| 09:52.56 | Kalroth | you can't see it by formatting or copying data to them, you need to run a full test |
| 09:53.19 | phelps | write full random data or something |
| 09:53.29 | Kalroth | naw, you can do it a lot faster than that |
| 09:54.03 | Kalroth | http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/-fake-usb-flash-memory-drives |
| 09:54.32 | phelps | H2testw ? |
| 09:54.44 | Kalroth | sure, that works too, i think |
| 09:55.25 | Kalroth | but it looks like it does a full read/write test |
| 09:55.54 | Kalroth | fake flash tool seems to do a small write and then just tests for bad block |
| 09:57.59 | phelps | fake flash tool doesn't see my card |
| 10:00.47 | phelps | im pretty sure the ones in my gopro are real, it might not be a full 64GB, maybe 61 or 62 |
| 10:00.56 | phelps | if not real, they're at least 64GB |
| 10:01.21 | phelps | it cam in a retail package |
| 10:01.52 | Kalroth | oh, that's usually a good hint that they're ok - if they're not exactly 64GB |
| 10:02.01 | Kalroth | retail package means nothing |
| 10:04.00 | Kalroth | eg. look at this http://cdn.head-fi.org/4/48/483d0767_vbattach23098.jpg |
| 10:04.10 | phelps | http://www.ebay.com/itm/390666911482 |
| 10:04.28 | phelps | oh wow |
| 10:04.53 | phelps | thats a solid fake package |
| 10:05.19 | Kalroth | it's the same across the board, doesn't matter if it's headphones, intel CPUs or flash memory |
| 10:05.22 | phelps | thats the exact auction I got the card from |
| 10:05.29 | Kalroth | yeah, the seller looks legit |
| 10:05.46 | phelps | but it was $30.29 when I got it |
| 10:05.49 | Kalroth | but i'd still test the card, he might be legit, but you don't know his source |
| 10:05.51 | phelps | he went up $3 |
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| 10:07.26 | phelps | that seller has 24k auctions in flash memory |
| 10:07.40 | phelps | oh wait, thats all |
| 10:12.52 | phelps | I do think this PNY card is fake |
| 10:13.05 | phelps | its the same "SDXC" but it only transfers at 12BM/s |
| 10:13.07 | phelps | MB |
| 10:13.21 | phelps | instead of 40MB/s that this SanDisk gets |
| 10:13.34 | phelps | it is 32GB, just slow |
| 10:13.58 | Dagmar | Sadly, UHS-1 only requires 10mb/s |
| 10:15.28 | phelps | idk if you could call that ultra |
| 10:15.36 | phelps | its a bit of a stretch imo |
| 10:15.55 | phelps | unless its 1980 |
| 10:16.42 | phelps | wonder if I'll be able to get full line speed come 6PM |
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| 11:55.42 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxAp_e1dE_4 how to kerbal |
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| 12:45.08 | Neffi | karl_w_w: this is amazing |
| 12:46.08 | karl_w_w | I know Neffi, that's why I linked it ;) |
| 13:11.46 | Neffi | same guy tries to tackle Besiege http://youtu.be/8YaRjmKep-s |
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| 13:41.50 | Krapsy | Cairenn: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=723275404471860 |
| 13:52.46 | karl_w_w | "HD" |
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| 14:13.33 | NuSuey | """HD""" |
| 14:15.14 | haste | "á´´á´°" |
| 14:16.59 | karl_w_w | "Êá´
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| 14:28.53 | mckenziemc | after all these years, you would think Microsoft would get restoring from a partition right... |
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| 14:31.28 | mckenziemc | i spent about 10 hours yesterday copying my laptop's hard drive minus the main partition to a spare to test reinstallation + multibooting to linux; fixed up the gpt but when i started it with the spare drive it just idles on "Attempting repair" |
| 14:31.42 | mckenziemc | no idea if it's actually doing anything, no option to manually tell it what to do... |
| 14:43.04 | karl_w_w | fuck me, hearthstone is all hunters again |
| 14:49.24 | karl_w_w | high skill class |
| 14:52.13 | karl_w_w | should've just used ddrescue, mckenziemc |
| 14:54.12 | mckenziemc | target is smaller |
| 14:54.19 | mckenziemc | and it wouldn't have helped anyway |
| 14:54.43 | mckenziemc | the original drive still works, i just didn't want to experiment on it |
| 14:54.49 | mckenziemc | which evidently was a good choice... |
| 14:56.34 | karl_w_w | the drive doesn't need to be malfunctioning to use ddrescue :P |
| 14:57.04 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 14:57.20 | mckenziemc | but as i said, it wouldn't have helped anyway |
| 14:58.23 | mckenziemc | no read errors expected/found, so i dd'd the head and tail of the drive (gpt and "recovery" partition) and edited the gpt manually |
| 14:58.37 | mckenziemc | clonezilla didn't seem to know how to do what i wanted |
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| 15:24.39 | Haroom | can anyone tell me how the UnitAura("player",$name) function handles multiple instances of a single buff $name? |
| 15:25.33 | Haroom | it's about weapon enchant procs for dual wielding phys dps, in my particular case : ) |
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| 15:28.32 | Kalroth | http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/03/02/183b0954db28fb19.png :D |
| 15:32.55 | Haroom | so does anyone have ideas as to how to retrieve the current status and expireTime on *both* your weapon enchant procs? |
| 15:33.12 | Haroom | i would prefer not to check every single buff if possible |
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| 17:21.10 | kd3 | oh wow, UE4 is free |
| 17:21.15 | Fisker | old |
| 17:21.18 | Fisker | I mean hello kd3 |
| 17:21.25 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 17:21.27 | Fisker | :3 |
| 17:22.33 | Fisker | i want more steamvr info |
| 17:27.03 | Torhal | steams Fisker in VR. |
| 17:27.10 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 17:27.11 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/f4CHMG6h.jpg |
| 17:27.12 | Fisker | jelly? |
| 17:27.19 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 17:27.20 | Torhal | Jam? |
| 17:27.34 | Constie | Don't tempt him. |
| 17:27.42 | Fisker | bam |
| 17:28.45 | Fisker | why jelly Torhal ? |
| 17:32.17 | karl_w_w | yes kd3, so is the unreal tournament they are going to release in it |
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| 17:32.53 | karl_w_w | bad news Fisker, I stoled your windows key |
| 17:33.22 | Fisker | That's alright karl_w_w |
| 17:33.45 | Torhal | Not jelly, Fisker. Motherfuckin' JAM. |
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| 17:59.55 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/FakeScience/status/571917838446813184/photo/1 |
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| 18:04.06 | zenzelezz | https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/ue4-is-free :-o (yes, there's still a royalty on sales, but let's be realistic) |
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| 18:20.44 | Stanzilla | yeah that is pretty cool |
| 18:20.50 | Stanzilla | also comes with the new unreal tournament :D |
| 18:21.49 | nevcairiel | engines being free is not exactly a new thing ue4 started =p |
| 18:22.21 | Stanzilla | first big player after unity though, no? |
| 18:24.45 | nevcairiel | cryengine is also practically free, the $9.90 subscription they charge is laughable, and no royalities instead |
| 18:27.26 | Stanzilla | ue4 was $12 before I think |
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| 18:27.48 | Stanzilla | ok 19 |
| 18:29.00 | nebula169 | id open sources their engine, what? 5 years after it's released? |
| 18:30.00 | Unkle | so. tired. |
| 18:30.08 | Unkle | so. so. tired. |
| 18:30.20 | nevcairiel | id has been weird about licensing, id Tech 5 wasnt externally licensed at all |
| 18:30.28 | nevcairiel | and 4 is open source by now |
| 18:33.59 | Stanzilla | tech 5 was crap anyway |
| 18:34.27 | Stanzilla | or better their streaming tech in it |
| 18:36.20 | Stanzilla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5orTzUuZPOg&feature=youtu.be |
| 18:44.22 | Simca | "A: No, each WoW Token can only be sold once. After you purchase a Token for gold, it becomes Soulbound. At that point, it can only be redeemed for game time." |
| 18:44.26 | Simca | why even bother |
| 18:44.37 | Simca | giving players an item that has no use except clicking on it to use it |
| 18:44.53 | nevcairiel | if you buy it from the ingame store, you can sell it once |
| 18:45.01 | nevcairiel | there is just no re-sale |
| 18:45.24 | Fisker | I think the point is to prevent economy manipulation |
| 18:45.29 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 18:45.30 | Fisker | Through resale |
| 18:45.34 | nevcairiel | there is no free market on those things |
| 18:45.37 | nevcairiel | its strictly regulated |
| 18:45.45 | Simca | oh i guess if they wanted to buy gametime then let their subscription fail and then use gametime later |
| 18:46.02 | Simca | though the veteran account restrictions wouldn't let them login on almost any toon lol |
| 18:46.07 | nevcairiel | why not |
| 18:47.09 | nevcairiel | although its an interesting question, starter accounts obviously have certain limits, but veteran accounts would already have high level chars, can they just not log onto those, or what? |
| 18:48.06 | Simca | no, same restrictions as starter accounts, atm, which means you can't login to any character over level 20 |
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| 18:48.55 | Simca | which doesn't make a lot of sense, since then you couldn't login to a high level toon who had a gametime token you needed to use |
| 18:49.02 | Simca | they should change that |
| 18:49.33 | nevcairiel | so if you want to use those tokens, make lvl1 bank alt =p |
| 18:50.03 | nevcairiel | I'm more likely to try to sell a few though |
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| 18:57.16 | Unkle | Wildstar has/had a similar thingy. I never used it, but sounds a lot like tokens. |
| 19:02.26 | Simca | interesting |
| 19:02.44 | Simca | I think this is a 6.1 change: wild pets have 25% less Power than regular pets |
| 19:03.11 | Simca | previously they only had 20% less HP. now they have that reduction plus that new power reduction. |
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| 19:05.15 | Stanzilla | was the change to the pet battle daily pets in the notes? |
| 19:05.19 | karl_w_w | cos wild pets were such a huge challenge |
| 19:05.23 | Stanzilla | many are epic down from legendary now |
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| 19:05.40 | karl_w_w | yeah, notes said they were easier |
| 19:05.56 | karl_w_w | cos you know, 1 shotting most of them is also a huge challenge |
| 19:06.06 | karl_w_w | pet battles toughest gameplay in wow |
| 19:06.08 | Stanzilla | well now you can, could not before! |
| 19:06.12 | Stanzilla | legendaries have a one shot protection |
| 19:06.35 | karl_w_w | you could 1 shot them as in take them out in 1 turn :P |
| 19:06.44 | karl_w_w | but I meant as in killing them first attempt |
| 19:06.55 | Stanzilla | yeh well, howl bomb all the things |
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| 19:10.15 | Ayrshire | Wildstar had "CREDD". You bought it for $20 and it gave you an item in game you could buy/sell as much as you want until redeemed. |
| 19:12.16 | Ayrshire | Worked out to about 8 hours of grinding/farming/whatever to buy one with in game currency |
| 19:16.37 | Ayrshire | I never bothered with it, but a bunch of people would flip them. New game meant there was steady inflation, and combined with the demand boost around month end you could make a faire bit of plat. |
| 19:16.47 | Ayrshire | -e |
| 19:17.55 | Ayrshire | Without touching the nominal purposes at all. Just another commodity to manipulate. |
| 19:19.35 | Ayrshire | In my circles no one bought any with real money, and few bought them with the intent to redeem. Most of the redemption was when interest started waning. If you're going to leave soon anyways, may as well spend the soon to be useless currency for a free month. |
| 19:22.18 | Ayrshire | I'm sure it had an effect on the economy, but on the other hand themepark mmo economies are usually enough of a joke I'm not sure it matters. |
| 19:22.34 | Ayrshire | As long as it doesn't get too far in either direction, it stumbles on. |
| 19:31.19 | Primer | People still play Wildstar? |
| 19:46.45 | Torhal | Primer: #wildstaruidev |
| 19:46.53 | Torhal | Though that doesn't mean they play... |
| 19:50.19 | Primer | I write the same thing when I see people talking about gentoo |
| 19:50.32 | Torhal | Heh |
| 19:52.16 | Primer | The Wildstar hype didn't last long at all though. I mean, I know people that canceled their subs after 2 months. It took me at least 5 months before I canceled my SWTOR sub. |
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| 19:53.42 | Arrowmaster | oh really.... fucking gvfs just segfaulted on me and took down all my external drives |
| 20:02.38 | Primer | that's what you get for using gnome |
| 20:02.48 | Arrowmaster | im not, im using cinnamon |
| 20:03.10 | Primer | I blame systemd anyhow |
| 20:11.08 | karl_w_w | http://i.4cdn.org/b/1425325837683.webm |
| 20:11.49 | Ayrshire | Primer: Played, past tense. The above took place over the first few months after launch. |
| 20:12.21 | Ayrshire | Although apparently people do still play. No one I know though. |
| 20:13.08 | Primer | Same here. |
| 20:15.22 | Ayrshire | I wrote an addon that was pretty popular among the hardcore, it's been useless for months as they broke addon comms. No one has made a peep about it. |
| 20:15.30 | Ayrshire | Used to get near immediate feedback if I broke something. :D |
| 20:16.43 | Ayrshire | I think the people who still play are the people who use it to RP and mess with housing. |
| 20:17.08 | Stanzilla | or Caleb| |
| 20:17.11 | Stanzilla | lost cause |
| 20:17.29 | Ayrshire | Who would have no interest in tracking rare bosses, which would explain the silence. |
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| 20:43.15 | kullervo | oh goddamn why does bagnon keep nuking the configs |
| 20:43.42 | Stanzilla | that was only once recently |
| 20:43.57 | kullervo | twice in the past week |
| 20:44.22 | haste | tuller likes to see you suffer kullervo |
| 20:44.44 | kullervo | that would actually be an acceptable reason |
| 20:44.45 | Stanzilla | sadly tuller does not do that addon anymore |
| 20:44.46 | kullervo | if it were true |
| 20:44.59 | Stanzilla | also why twice? I always update and it only did it once to me? |
| 20:45.35 | kullervo | I have autoupdates enabled and it happened last week and again just now |
| 20:47.15 | pompy | yeah i stopped using bagnon when jaliborc took it over |
| 20:47.16 | pompy | :P |
| 20:47.26 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 20:47.40 | Stanzilla | we recently suggested an option to have the config global instead of per char |
| 20:47.48 | Stanzilla | maybe he did that just now without migrating again |
| 20:48.17 | Stanzilla | I don't see anything newer than 6.1.1 though |
| 20:48.20 | Fisker | Didn't happen to me twice either |
| 20:48.32 | Fisker | Might be because of 6.1 though |
| 20:48.47 | Fisker | Could've fixed whatever he did before eu |
| 20:50.54 | Unkle | http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/02/world-of-warcrafts-new-real-money-for-gold-effort-brings-more-free-to-play-to-blizzards-cash-cow/ |
| 20:51.37 | Stanzilla | nah, it was one "planned" reset |
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| 22:30.17 | fewyn | Q: Can I resell a WoW Token after Iâve purchased it for gold? |
| 22:30.17 | fewyn | A: No, each WoW Token can only be sold once. After you purchase a Token for gold, it becomes Soulbound. At that point, it can only be redeemed for game time. |
| 22:30.18 | fewyn | bleh |
| 22:30.20 | fewyn | that's stupid |
| 22:30.55 | haste | at least someone won't loose 300 of them while moving them from point A to B :D |
| 22:31.29 | fewyn | being able to trade them and buy them when they are cheap is the best part of the plex system |
| 22:31.33 | fewyn | buy them cheap |
| 22:31.34 | fewyn | sell high |
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| 22:32.10 | Thunder_Child | Maybe blizz doesn't want that. |
| 22:33.14 | Arrowmaster | then why implement it in the first place? |
| 22:33.30 | fewyn | ^ |
| 22:33.44 | fewyn | how is the price supposed to stabilize if you can't? |
| 22:34.21 | fewyn | i just don't understand this route |
| 22:35.06 | justin_pdx | That makes it so that the supply can't be artificially reduced. Hoarding them becomes out of the question. |
| 22:35.11 | Thunder_Child | So you have a gold <-> time avenue, not to play the real money wow market. |
| 22:35.29 | fewyn | except i can't convert my gold out of wow? |
| 22:35.40 | fewyn | just like i can't convert isk to $$$ |
| 22:35.52 | Unkle | You convert your gold to WoW sub time. That's it. |
| 22:36.19 | Thunder_Child | I was calling that money. |
| 22:37.02 | Unkle | Which it is, really. And it's better than you were getting if you didn't sell gold to some third-party. |
| 22:37.29 | fewyn | actually it sounds like you can't even set the price for the tokens on the AH it's all done automatically? |
| 22:37.41 | fewyn | based on "supply and demand" |
| 22:37.46 | fewyn | wtf does that even mean |
| 22:38.08 | justin_pdx | It gives people an incentive to give money to Blizz for a chunk of gold instead of farmers. |
| 22:38.11 | Unkle | Correct. Blizzard algorithmically determines the selling prices based on their "market basket" calculations. |
| 22:38.31 | fewyn | i want to know how it is calculated |
| 22:38.46 | fewyn | seems overly complicated when the market would do it itself |
| 22:38.59 | fewyn | well not overly complicated |
| 22:39.02 | fewyn | that's not the right word |
| 22:39.07 | Unkle | They didn't provide any in-depth look at that, but the venturebeat article I linked earlier hints at it. |
| 22:39.19 | justin_pdx | But the market wouldn't do it itself. WoW is not self-correcting to get the right product in the right people's hands at the right price. |
| 22:40.28 | justin_pdx | It's too small, and it's possible for people to artificially manipulate prices and reduce supply. Also this allows Blizz to keep a steady supply on the market - you won't know if you're buying a token directly from Blizz itself or one a player purchased. |
| 22:40.49 | fewyn | i guess i come from a different point of view |
| 22:40.56 | fewyn | i enjoy playing the AH and markets in MMOs |
| 22:41.04 | fewyn | this takes it out of my hands |
| 22:41.09 | fewyn | so i guess i don't like it |
| 22:41.33 | fewyn | when i play EVE i often buy/sell plex |
| 22:41.42 | fewyn | along with other market commodities |
| 22:42.27 | kd3 | blizz is going to artificially limit the price... they'd have to if they want to undercut goldsellers |
| 22:42.29 | fewyn | i guess it all makes more sense for the "casual" market which blizzard is catering to with this feature |
| 22:42.30 | justin_pdx | Sure - but you're probably a WoW 1%-er. The gamers that need to benefit from trading gold for play time probably aren't people with the skills to min max a market economy. |
| 22:43.22 | justin_pdx | And this isn't meant to be a way to give people "free" play time. This is a way to get money that was going to gold sellers back into Blizz's pockets. |
| 22:43.28 | fewyn | yes i'm the 1% most likely |
| 22:43.36 | fewyn | oh i completely am in favor of it justin_pdx |
| 22:43.45 | fewyn | i've wanted this feature for many many many years |
| 22:43.47 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: this is a C.R.E.D.D. clone, not a Plex clone |
| 22:44.01 | fewyn | just not a fan of this particular implementation |
| 22:44.06 | fewyn | i never played wildstar |
| 22:44.21 | Gnarfoz | just saying, that's where most of the properties are from, from what I read so far |
| 22:45.50 | fewyn | at least i won't have to probably spend money on game time ever again |
| 22:50.33 | Dagmar | RangerZ1: Tell her "Repairs are always cheaper than a car payment" |
| 22:50.36 | Dagmar | @#$@ |
| 22:57.54 | mckenziemc | but the car payments mean more sophisticated spying on you |
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