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| 00:03.37 | karl_w_w | maybe they didn't want them to get swept into the new heirloom collection and there wasn't an easy way to do it |
| 00:04.30 | fewyn | kromag is fun on LFR |
| 00:04.34 | phelps | but making them rare WAS the easy way |
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| 00:08.04 | fewyn | at least determination still exists |
| 00:14.01 | Mr_Rabies | people are really wiping on lfr kromog? |
| 00:14.10 | kd3 | yup |
| 00:14.13 | kd3 | took my group 3 tries |
| 00:14.20 | kd3 | they couldn't figure out the grasping earth runes |
| 00:14.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's not that hard even for normal, but okay, lol |
| 00:14.45 | Mr_Rabies | lfr |
| 00:14.56 | Mr_Rabies | astounds me in the depths that human stupidity can reach |
| 00:15.18 | kd3 | haha https://i.imgur.com/JXSLd3M.jpg |
| 00:15.55 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 00:16.42 | karl_w_w | wonder what the whole article is about |
| 00:17.18 | karl_w_w | the toilets at a bus station? |
| 00:17.51 | karl_w_w | you're really scraping the barrel for stories if that's the case |
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| 00:44.52 | m^rk | is PlaySoundFile() completely broke atm? i can't even get their default sounds to play |
| 00:45.24 | mikma | seems to be broken |
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| 00:59.14 | karl_w_w | so how is the game making sounds? |
| 01:01.18 | mikma | with built in functions |
| 01:02.31 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/WReYrUi.png mathematics, foxlit? |
| 01:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | only got a single gearspring part despite having an npc on the building for around 24 hours |
| 01:07.23 | Mr_Rabies | blehh |
| 01:07.46 | Simca | yeah i think all work order bonuses are broken |
| 01:08.48 | Simca | which is really shitty and is hopefully going to be fixed v soon |
| 01:18.59 | znf | foxlit, sometimes when I have a few missions completed in MasterPlan, I click Complete all, but the first mission doesn't go away |
| 01:19.06 | znf | I have to manually click it and click the chest |
| 01:19.10 | Thunder_Child | Click harder. |
| 01:21.34 | Simca | znf, was it a garrison resource mission |
| 01:21.36 | Gnarfoz | or read the change log |
| 01:21.40 | Gnarfoz | >:D |
| 01:21.44 | Simca | if so you might want to pay attention to your resources |
| 01:21.53 | znf | fuck resources |
| 01:22.02 | Simca | they're useful now |
| 01:22.07 | znf | not on my lvl92 alt |
| 01:22.25 | znf | but thanks for letting me know :D |
| 01:26.38 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: master plan takes % success into account |
| 01:29.26 | znf | I'm failing so badly at bigwigs voice |
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| 01:41.32 | Semlar | what, i have 24 quests and it won't let me pick up another one because my quest log is full |
| 01:42.22 | Semlar | it says View All Quests 24/25 at the top of the window |
| 01:43.15 | Mr_Rabies | apparently that can happen with some of the battle pet quests |
| 01:43.34 | Semlar | does it just not count toward your quest number? |
| 01:43.44 | Mr_Rabies | could be other stuff too but most people just have to go between all their alts, find the battle pet quest, and drop it, or something, i think? |
| 01:43.56 | Semlar | i can't drop it |
| 01:44.01 | Semlar | it's literally not abandonable |
| 01:44.24 | Semlar | and i really don't feel like going back to pandaria to do some pet battles |
| 01:44.25 | fewyn | battle pet quests can't be abandoned |
| 01:44.28 | fewyn | fuck those quests |
| 01:44.34 | fewyn | it's so annoying |
| 01:44.47 | fewyn | i had the legendary pet quests in my log for like 6 months |
| 01:44.54 | fewyn | because i couldn't be arsed to do them again |
| 01:47.09 | Semlar | so i'm in another phase now and i can't get out without picking up and doing these quests that i can't fit in my quest log |
| 01:47.39 | Semlar | i guess i get to abandon something else |
| 01:49.27 | Primer | So I've been using this addon here: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/inspect-equip |
| 01:49.33 | Primer | but it's still causing a C stack overflow |
| 01:50.04 | Primer | And there's a comment that shows how to deal with it, supposedly, but...it doesn't work |
| 01:51.09 | Semlar | maybe you should stop overflowing your stacks |
| 01:51.16 | Primer | I'm not doing shit |
| 01:53.38 | Semlar | there's a fix here? |
| 01:53.57 | Torhal | No, Semlar. At the vet. Follow, please. |
| 01:54.04 | Semlar | :( |
| 01:54.32 | Semlar | i only see a comment mentioning the C stack overflow |
| 02:00.13 | mckenziemc | fixes Torhal. |
| 02:00.53 | Torhal | formats mckenziemc, then installs SemlarOS. |
| 02:02.41 | Primer | But yeah, I made the change and verified that it's the only copy of that library in my addons directory, and I still get C stack overflow |
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| 02:04.08 | Primer | sigh |
| 02:04.14 | Primer | seems I didn't actually do this... |
| 02:09.50 | Semlar | what change |
| 02:10.37 | Semlar | there's something posted for LibItemUpgradeInfo which is not in response to the C stack overflow thing |
| 02:11.30 | Semlar | so i'm on a quest that's not on wowhead and i have no idea what to do |
| 02:12.23 | Semlar | it's called Gronnsbane: The Blessing of Beasts |
| 02:12.52 | Semlar | surely i can't be expected to read the quest text |
| 02:12.56 | kd3 | yup |
| 02:12.59 | Semlar | noo |
| 02:14.30 | Semlar | well, it says to lure a rylak over to a table and i can't actually find the rylaks it's talking about |
| 02:14.42 | kd3 | oh, interact with the table |
| 02:14.46 | kd3 | it'll spawn a rylak |
| 02:14.58 | Semlar | what! i clicked on the table and nothing happened |
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| 02:15.12 | kd3 | a rylak should've spawned and flown down from the mountain |
| 02:15.13 | kd3 | look up |
| 02:15.13 | Semlar | someone else solved the problem by spawning the thing though |
| 02:15.42 | Semlar | when i clicked on the altar i just got a message box to read |
| 02:15.48 | Semlar | it didn't spawn anything |
| 02:16.27 | Semlar | but someone showed up with the rylak while i was trying to figure out what to do |
| 02:16.34 | Semlar | and i got credit for it |
| 02:16.40 | Semlar | so problem solved! |
| 02:17.57 | znf | Oh, so, if you remember me babbling about traffic counters last night - after around ~22 hours: http://i.imgur.com/EdS7i0H.png |
| 02:19.34 | znf | surprisingly low counter for porn :( |
| 02:20.24 | kd3 | well, people are watching videos for <5m, rather than youtube, where they can watch for hours |
| 02:20.26 | fewyn | i love that you can equip most gear right away without needing to enchant stuff |
| 02:20.56 | znf | true |
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| 03:15.01 | kd3 | odd. "Tanking Specializations no longer generate threat from heals." |
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| 03:18.20 | kullervo | kd3: oh, FINALLY? :D |
| 03:18.42 | kullervo | that's been gradually reduced since forever, bit by bit |
| 03:19.17 | kullervo | already in WOTLK they removed the threat component from some heals and continued taking them away from others all the way through the expansions |
| 03:20.00 | kullervo | the issue culminated in t16 when paladins would generate absolutely ridiculous amounts of threat with their heals, but the threat was removed from at least one spell |
| 03:21.02 | kullervo | paladins were also the first class to get their heal threat removed from one ability, this was the judgement which healed the raid members who hit the boss. Ridiculous amounts of healing. |
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| 03:22.28 | Torhal | Seerah: ping |
| 03:22.34 | Seerah | que? |
| 03:22.50 | Torhal | Regarding SharedMedia: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16410181854#5 |
| 03:23.47 | Torhal | Not that you need tot do anything since it doesn't ship with sounds, but...knowledge! |
| 03:24.18 | Torhal | My typos. They multiply. |
| 03:24.44 | Seerah | thanks for the info :) |
| 03:24.50 | Torhal | :D |
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| 03:25.01 | znf | meh, I opened a cache on my alt and I was in tank spec :( |
| 03:34.22 | mckenziemc | "Do you want to destroy Baby Blizzard Bear?" :( |
| 03:34.39 | Torhal | !!! |
| 03:36.22 | Ivnedar | They need a third button that says "No, but do it anyway" |
| 03:40.34 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 03:46.55 | Torhal | So when did you come back here, mckenziemc? |
| 03:48.09 | mckenziemc | week ago i think |
| 03:52.05 | Torhal | Huh. |
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| 04:25.28 | znf | >be moonkin |
| 04:25.31 | znf | >do lfr kromog |
| 04:25.36 | znf | >do starfall @ hands phase |
| 04:25.36 | znf | :D |
| 04:25.44 | kd3 | ya, don't do that |
| 04:25.50 | znf | someone just killed half the raid :D |
| 04:27.49 | pompy | nice the 'securing draenor' achievement was hotfixed or the achievement servers stabilized and it shows as unlocked. |
| 04:48.56 | Simca | pompy: yeah i got it last night |
| 04:49.03 | Simca | just log in and out of several toons |
| 04:49.05 | Simca | and it will fix |
| 05:02.41 | Jamash | OI FOXLIT why can't I put guild perks on opie |
| 05:06.34 | Jamash | global rings, that is |
| 05:07.30 | Jamash | ok turns out I can if I make it a character-specific ring, add the guild perks, then make it global ?_? |
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| 05:27.56 | pompy | saw it say "$n's Garrison" for a "Zone" someone was in for a few seconds until it said "Garrison" |
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| 05:53.08 | jleclanche | foxlit: is there a way to find the optimal follower config, like the MoI tab does, for a non-MoI mission? |
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| 06:10.32 | Corv | Has the cause of the flickering/vanishing tooltip bug been traced? Is it anywhere in our control? |
| 06:21.17 | Mr_Rabies | my tooltip is doing some great stuff |
| 06:21.25 | Mr_Rabies | expanding to be gigantic, for one |
| 06:23.09 | Trela | Same here. |
| 06:27.14 | Corv | Yeah, the expanding thing seems to be new to 6.1 |
| 06:27.54 | Corv | But since 6.0, there was... something causing it to flicker out, or stop showing, which could be fixed by hovering the minimap. |
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| 07:06.12 | Jamash | SpeedTree won an Oscar |
| 07:06.28 | Simca | SpeedTree? |
| 07:06.40 | Jamash | the finest procedurally generated trees money can buy |
| 07:06.54 | Jamash | it's apparently in every video game and every movie |
| 07:07.06 | Fisker | attacks Simca |
| 07:07.07 | Jamash | that has trees in it |
| 07:07.34 | Jamash | ~whalenuke Fisker |
| 07:07.34 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers. |
| 07:07.44 | Fisker | Nooo |
| 07:07.54 | Simca | LOL how random |
| 07:08.00 | Jamash | Fisker, no Fisking |
| 07:08.39 | Jamash | anyway I sleep, tomorrow give double bloods |
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| 07:35.09 | Gryzvwald | looping through UnitDebuff if I use (for i=1, 40 do) does the first nil for spellID mean there are no more Debuffs and I can break out of the for loop? |
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| 07:42.53 | Simca | yes, Gryzvwald, it should |
| 07:43.05 | Gryzvwald | Thank you Simca |
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| 08:54.00 | Fisker | hmm foxlit you there? |
| 09:00.25 | sb | foxlit: what did you do to fix the social ui issues? |
| 09:07.22 | Fisker | Told the UI to stop being social, it's not a person |
| 09:07.31 | Fisker | (Sorry not sorry) |
| 09:08.31 | karl_w_w | when the ui tries to get social, play a different game |
| 09:08.55 | sb | Fisker: :/ |
| 09:12.34 | aawe | Fisker: Your UI is being social? How? |
| 09:13.00 | Fisker | Mine isn't |
| 09:15.58 | Corv | What antisocial problems are you having? |
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| 10:28.03 | foxlit | sb: I didn't have any real issues with the social ui in the first place |
| 10:30.30 | foxlit | jleclanche: eventually, but not now. |
| 10:31.16 | foxlit | Jamash: new rings default to be character-specific, because presumably you'd have more of those than of the global kind; you can probably put guild perks anywhere. |
| 10:32.03 | Fisker | foxlit does your missions of interest accurately reflect the actual rewards or is it fixed? |
| 10:33.17 | foxlit | karl_w_w: just pretend the follower experience sorting does whatever the hell it pleases. There are too many adjustments for various edge cases, while the text output is based on the real expectation. |
| 10:34.06 | foxlit | Fisker: dunno, depends on what you mean by actual. |
| 10:34.28 | Fisker | Well I noticed that the brf missions show a normal cache, but the highmaul shows heroic |
| 10:34.44 | Semlar | whoever was complaining about the game taking forever to launch the other day, it is currently taking an absurd amount of time to launch for me right now |
| 10:34.57 | Corv | Oh good that's not just me? |
| 10:35.04 | Semlar | and it is not automatically logging me in, so i think it's timing out on the authentication server or something |
| 10:35.10 | Corv | Same. |
| 10:35.14 | foxlit | brf rewards are static at the moment, it'll show normal caches regardless. |
| 10:35.31 | Fisker | ah |
| 10:35.49 | foxlit | same issue with the missing last completion time; it doesn't coalesce those missions and it doesn't try to adjust rewards based on statistics. |
| 10:35.49 | Fisker | I did get a heroic one yesterday but I was wondering if todays maintenance may have messed something up |
| 10:36.56 | Fisker | Also do you take into consideration caps on other forms of currency when completing missions? |
| 10:36.59 | Fisker | Or only garrison resources |
| 10:39.51 | Semlar | why can't i sort by gold foxlit, hmm? |
| 11:02.31 | foxlit | Semlar: because user-configurable sorting is an annoyance. |
| 11:03.15 | foxlit | (and the proper way to fix that would be to have you declare what you want out of life, but that's complicated and time is finite) |
| 11:05.16 | foxlit | Maybe you should sort by follower experience. If you have nobody capable of gaining experience, it becomes very similar to sorting by gold. |
| 11:11.00 | Semlar | i see |
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| 11:28.11 | Mr_Rabies | is there still nothing updated for 6.x that yells at you for having an unenchanted/ungemmed piece of gear? |
| 12:03.29 | Simca | yeah Semlar, b.net auth is down and has been for about 3 hours |
| 12:03.50 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 12:06.12 | Simca | and idk if you saw but the trigger has been figured out definitely not |
| 12:06.13 | Simca | now* |
| 12:06.23 | Semlar | 21 heroic kills? |
| 12:06.24 | Simca | 8 mythic HM kills OR 21 heroic BRF kills |
| 12:06.41 | Semlar | yeah, it would have been nice if they had just told us that |
| 12:07.22 | Semlar | they have to be loot-eligible kills though, unlike how it was before |
| 12:08.29 | Semlar | that's what was screwing up the results, because people were posting that they had like 30 heroic kills and still getting the heroic cache |
| 12:08.38 | Simca | that is a theory. the other is that one of the kills had to be post-6.1 |
| 12:08.50 | Simca | if the latter was true it is no longer true |
| 12:08.53 | Semlar | well there was a blue post that said they had to be loot-eligible |
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| 12:09.17 | Semlar | they just wouldn't confirm what the requirements were beyond that |
| 12:10.04 | Semlar | either way, if i had put off leveling my followers until after the raid i would have gotten a mythic cache |
| 12:11.13 | Simca | any good Bagnon alternative? |
| 12:11.20 | Simca | it has been just godawful since 6.1 |
| 12:11.29 | Simca | the bank frame is completely 100% broken |
| 12:12.15 | Semlar | i didn't even know they made any api changes in 6.1 |
| 12:12.38 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.51 | Semlar | i do know my stupid action bar cooldowns keep getting stuck with the flash animation |
| 12:13.23 | Semlar | don't they mean lost the RNG lottery |
| 12:14.11 | Semlar | someone posted a screenshot of getting 2 mythic cache missions at once, that's winning the RNG lottery |
| 12:14.24 | foxlit | hey, they won the karma lottery. |
| 12:14.30 | foxlit | I don't think the mission actually failed. |
| 12:14.51 | Simca | MP just misreported it? |
| 12:15.00 | Semlar | you think they still got the stones? |
| 12:16.43 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.01 | Semlar | interesting |
| 12:17.16 | foxlit | MP would tag that as a failure, but the mission wouldn't go away, and you could keep hitting complete. |
| 12:17.44 | Semlar | can you detect that instead of flagging it as a fail |
| 12:18.05 | foxlit | yes, yes. I thought I did, but not quite. |
| 12:19.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.00 | Simca | yeah I had write code for that in my addon too |
| 12:20.37 | Simca | my solution was just to hammer the server with attempts and discard everything with the third arg as false/nil |
| 12:20.55 | Simca | worked out pretty well |
| 12:21.42 | Simca | then again I don't actually use my own addon because I like MasterPlan more lol |
| 12:22.26 | Simca | also i love how half the comments attempt to blame rounding |
| 12:22.35 | Simca | without realizing that blizzard floors everything ever |
| 12:23.00 | Simca | all of blizzard's rounding issues are -because- they round down in cases when they shouldn't be |
| 12:23.39 | nevcairiel | the beauty of flooring is that you dont actively need to do that, just cast to int =P |
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| 12:24.35 | Simca | well those data formats are completely different, so work is still getting done somewhere |
| 12:25.35 | Simca | but yeah it could be that they're using ints when they shouldn't be |
| 12:27.01 | Semlar | apparently they put up invisible walls in everbloom so you can't skip half the trash in the instance |
| 12:27.22 | Semlar | we couldn't make the gold time even doing that |
| 12:27.30 | Semlar | so this is not a good sign |
| 12:27.48 | Simca | oh jeeze they did? |
| 12:28.06 | Semlar | according to some guy on the internet, i guess i'll find out next time i'm in there |
| 12:28.06 | Simca | i wonder how long pugs are going to spend jumping against invisible walls for the first week of LFG |
| 12:28.20 | Semlar | lol |
| 12:28.26 | Semlar | WHY CAN'T I GET UP THIS HILL |
| 12:30.41 | Simca | another way bagnon is broken in 6.1: these random 'glares' - http://i.imgur.com/3TW82ni.png |
| 12:31.02 | Semlar | oh good, so the cooldown bug isn't just limited to blizzard action buttons |
| 12:31.31 | Semlar | i wonder if they broke something internally with the cooldown frame |
| 12:35.34 | Semlar | Swapblaster cooldown increased from 10s to 1m. WHAT |
| 12:35.39 | Semlar | THIS IS AN OUTRAGE |
| 12:36.07 | Simca | oh boy |
| 12:36.23 | Simca | in 6.0, as horde, you could pick up an alliance flight path in Talador |
| 12:36.33 | Semlar | problem? |
| 12:36.35 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/o0uyZeP.jpg |
| 12:36.44 | Simca | now I have a flight path point I can't reach lol |
| 12:37.08 | Semlar | i can't help but notice you aren't using the world's greatest flightmap addon |
| 12:37.28 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23358-WorldFlightMap.html let me fix that for you |
| 12:37.30 | Gnarfoz | Simca: have you tried reading the changelog? you're using a very unstable experimental build based on a rewrite |
| 12:38.10 | Simca | changelogs are hard |
| 12:38.17 | Gnarfoz | Simca: I'd just downgrade to the last release version which works fine on 6.1 (the new version doesn't work for me *at all*, just shows empty frames and errors) |
| 12:38.28 | Gnarfoz | (the one from November, that is) |
| 12:38.57 | Gnarfoz | lunch tiems |
| 12:38.59 | Simca | i'm probably several builds behind |
| 12:39.44 | Simca | i have curse client off most of the time because ever since 6.0 it loves to steal away wowdbprofiler.lua INSTANTLY after it is written |
| 12:39.49 | Simca | kills my debugging efforts |
| 12:40.06 | Semlar | thief! |
| 12:40.59 | Simca | if the entire userbase spammed /reloadui for 5 minutes we could probably crash the website |
| 12:47.11 | foxlit | Simca: you might enjoy this: http://www.townlong-yak.com/master-plan/data/m61.html |
| 12:48.10 | Simca | wait there's another i675 mission? |
| 12:48.21 | foxlit | (I think I have a reasonable idea of what's going on there; the first percentage is the observed value, while the latter is a slightly fudged projection to give you both over/under errors) |
| 12:48.32 | foxlit | there are a few. |
| 12:51.44 | Simca | nevcairiel found a solid instance of MP being wrong the other night |
| 12:51.52 | Simca | (and of common sense being wrong) |
| 12:52.04 | foxlit | already fixed that. |
| 12:52.11 | Simca | what was the issue there? |
| 12:52.15 | foxlit | the blademaster cheats. |
| 12:52.32 | nevcairiel | he has evil half-threats, or something |
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| 12:54.14 | Simca | Dancer trait effectiveness increased - what, is it 2x a normal trait now? (2/3 of normal threat?) |
| 12:54.45 | foxlit | yes. |
| 12:55.23 | Simca | fun |
| 12:55.53 | foxlit | now you just need a mission with two danger zones and two dancer followers. |
| 12:57.12 | Simca | i bet the guy who designed the mission formulas and the guy who designed the mission UI go to sleep every night dreaming of new ways to murder the Dancer dev |
| 12:58.04 | Simca | "well i have 4/3 of 2 threats countered. now how the fuck do i display this to the user" |
| 13:01.22 | foxlit | (are there even missions with two danger zones?) |
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| 13:21.52 | Simca | there is 1 |
| 13:22.09 | Simca | don't recall the name |
| 13:22.37 | foxlit | you had one job, db sites? |
| 13:23.14 | Simca | creating filters that match multiple criteria is a lot of effort |
| 13:24.10 | foxlit | it's just bad data design. |
| 13:25.15 | foxlit | it's possible to store the number of instances of each mechanic for each mission, and query it in the same way as finding all gear with exactly 42 intellect works. |
| 13:25.52 | Simca | yeah that would solve this specific issue |
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| 13:26.14 | Simca | but it won't solve the case for the person who wants to find a mission with massive strike + danger zone |
| 13:26.38 | foxlit | I can also search for gear with exactly 42 intellect AND 5 stamina :) |
| 13:27.02 | foxlit | (or at least I would hope that I can) |
| 13:27.02 | Simca | because the stamina filter is a separate filter - i guess they could add a filter for every mechanic |
| 13:27.17 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/missions?filter=cr=12:12;crs=6:6;crv=0:0 << behold :) |
| 13:28.15 | karl_w_w | highway to the danger zone |
| 13:28.17 | Simca | to add a filter for every threat it would increase the size of the dropdown by over 50% |
| 13:28.50 | Simca | the real underlying issue is that you can't stack filters (on either site) |
| 13:29.00 | foxlit | er? |
| 13:29.07 | Simca | you can't stack the same filter |
| 13:29.20 | Simca | (and get meaningful results) |
| 13:29.59 | foxlit | In this case, I can't stack these filters meaningfully because the filters themselves are silly, not because the stacking doesn't work |
| 13:30.21 | Semlar | tis a silly filter |
| 13:30.25 | foxlit | I mean, it's possible to search for 42 < int < 80 items, right? That's basically stacking the same filter. |
| 13:31.12 | Simca | filter stacking is a wowdb exclusive issue now that I think about it |
| 13:31.22 | Simca | has to do with the way that they output the urls |
| 13:33.52 | Simca | wowhead's filtered urls just hold a numeric value for the filter and a numeric value for the option |
| 13:34.06 | Simca | wowdb's urls try to make sense, which is a bad thing for stacking |
| 13:34.35 | Simca | well it's probably bad in general, i doubt filtered urls are ever a source of SEO |
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| 14:03.40 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:35.13 | Gnarfoz | http://www.sansbullshitsans.com/ for next expansion announcement |
| 14:37.31 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: this looks amazing |
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| 14:38.15 | Jamash | Gnarfoz: Is it april first already? |
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| 15:01.31 | Torhal | Simca: Wouldn't the better solution be to disable WoWDB Profiler in the Client? |
| 15:01.43 | Torhal | I mean, there's an option to send the data and everything... |
| 15:01.46 | Torhal | :D |
| 15:06.04 | Gnarfoz | u wot m8? |
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| 15:42.51 | Torhal | memes Gnarfoz. |
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| 15:52.49 | Stanzilla | tz: is that you? https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/pull/6 |
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| 15:54.28 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 15:54.33 | Fisker | I will not allow you to get away with that |
| 15:54.43 | Torhal | parodies Fisker. |
| 15:54.50 | Fisker | I will stop you |
| 15:55.02 | Torhal | :/ |
| 15:55.08 | Fisker | good :) |
| 15:58.26 | karl_w_w | cures Fisker |
| 15:59.25 | karl_w_w | i just love when you check your emails, then as soon as you turn your phone off another email arrives |
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| 16:56.13 | pompy | a new bnet EULA? |
| 16:59.08 | Thunder_Child | Read it and report back. |
| 17:02.49 | Ressy | I started last night. I started falling asleep |
| 17:04.15 | Fisker | comforts Ressy |
| 17:04.16 | Fisker | there there |
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| 17:04.23 | Fisker | It's not as bad as South Park portrays it |
| 17:04.27 | Ressy | meh. |
| 17:04.37 | Ressy | I wasn't gonna deal with actually reading it after the first few paragraphs. |
| 17:04.45 | Ressy | My vodka didn't show up, so yeah. I went to bed instead. |
| 17:05.00 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:08.45 | pompy | should run it thru https://www.brightfort.com/eulalyzer.html |
| 17:09.17 | Ressy | Its kinda sad.. The last 3 things sent to me, ie gifts, never showed up. |
| 17:09.30 | Fisker | daw :< |
| 17:09.39 | Fisker | postal guy has your vodka |
| 17:09.54 | Ressy | no.. It was a service, which should have delivered within 2 hours. |
| 17:10.02 | Ressy | its all they do |
| 17:10.08 | Fisker | wut |
| 17:10.28 | Ressy | http://www.thebeerguy.ca/ |
| 17:10.28 | Fisker | delivery guy pocketed your flowers |
| 17:11.01 | Fisker | no wonder they're in business since 2001 if they just take money and never deliver |
| 17:11.01 | Ressy | Friend ordered it tuesday. After it went through, noticed it was for last night. Didn't show last night.. No reason why. we both sent in emails asking about it. Haven't heard. |
| 17:11.01 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:11.06 | Ressy | ugh.. |
| 17:11.11 | Ressy | Flowers really got to me. |
| 17:11.17 | Ressy | 2 years in a row |
| 17:11.23 | Fisker | :<? |
| 17:11.35 | nevcairiel | You have a alcohol delivery service? Crazy canadians |
| 17:11.44 | Fisker | Better than driving out to get it |
| 17:12.14 | Ressy | Theres a place 2km to me.. But its a pain to get out there before it closes, when I gotta get my munchkin from daycare, get him home, dinner, bath, and bed. |
| 17:13.12 | Fisker | Yeah? |
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| 17:22.38 | pompy | california has some liquor store places that deliver |
| 17:22.43 | pompy | right Kaelten ;) |
| 17:23.35 | Ressy | o.O |
| 17:24.50 | pompy | you don't remember Ressy? |
| 17:25.39 | Ressy | We ordered pizza.. |
| 17:25.46 | Ressy | We picked up liquor from CVS |
| 17:26.47 | pompy | i didnt say we used the service. just that there is one and we knew of it. |
| 17:27.03 | Ressy | ah |
| 17:27.12 | Ressy | I didn't know of it. *shrugs* |
| 17:27.21 | Ressy | THAT is odd for me. |
| 17:27.29 | Ressy | Here, you can't buy liquor in a corner store. |
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| 17:33.07 | Stanzilla | is liquor restriced in the usa? |
| 17:33.24 | Thunder_Child | ish? |
| 17:33.33 | Stanzilla | to what extent? |
| 17:33.44 | pompy | each state has liquor laws |
| 17:33.48 | Thunder_Child | I mean there is a time at which point in the day you can no longer sell. |
| 17:34.08 | Stanzilla | that sounds weird |
| 17:34.17 | pompy | Stanzilla: http://www.legalbeer.com/liquor-laws-by-state :P |
| 17:34.33 | Stanzilla | the fact that such a page even exists...! |
| 17:34.36 | Thunder_Child | There might be some bans on liquor like there was for absinthe. |
| 17:34.44 | Thunder_Child | Which was a federal law not state. |
| 17:34.52 | Semlar | you can't buy liquor at a grocery store in my state |
| 17:35.16 | Semlar | you can buy like beer and wine though |
| 17:38.19 | Thunder_Child | Uh, isn't that liquor? |
| 17:39.54 | kd3 | no, liquors are distilled. wine/beer/ciders are not |
| 17:41.15 | Thunder_Child | "alcoholic drink, especially distilled spirits." |
| 17:43.27 | Semlar | tries to calm Thunder_Child down |
| 17:44.14 | Thunder_Child | rage drinks Semlar |
| 17:44.45 | Ressy | in Canada, you can only get alcohol in specific stores. |
| 17:44.54 | Ressy | LCBO & The Beer Store. |
| 17:45.15 | Gethe | it's like that in Utah |
| 17:45.19 | kd3 | and some states |
| 17:45.32 | kd3 | yay blue laws |
| 17:46.03 | Gethe | no alchohol sales at all outside state run stores |
| 17:46.46 | Gethe | they might also have bars that can too, havent checked recently |
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| 18:05.45 | Ayrshire | The Beer Store's position is a bit weird. There's a government monopoly on selling alcohol, except for it. It's a joint venture of the big breweries that got in by pre-existing most of the post-prohibition law. |
| 18:07.04 | kd3 | whee, the fcc went through with it |
| 18:07.33 | kd3 | hopefully in a year the ISPs will go 'yah, we were always for this, it's done so much good for our bottom line' |
| 18:07.37 | kd3 | >.> |
| 18:09.12 | Ressy | kd3: It really depends. |
| 18:09.22 | Ressy | There'll be companies who try to bypass the rules |
| 18:09.50 | Lopeppeppy | Just heard over the cubicle walls, "My anus got backed up." |
| 18:09.57 | Lopeppeppy | hides her head and cries. |
| 18:10.41 | Ressy | kd3: Rogers tried the whole "But we're obeying Net Neutrality rules" |
| 18:10.47 | Ressy | and got smacked by CRTC via me. |
| 18:10.56 | kd3 | ! |
| 18:10.57 | Ressy | they stopped throttling altogether. |
| 18:11.05 | Ressy | Bell stopped after we mentioned we'd be going after them next. |
| 18:11.06 | Fisker | at least it didn't get stuffed Lopeppeppy |
| 18:11.13 | Fisker | cries in unison |
| 18:11.23 | kd3 | well, hopefully title 2 gives the fcc the teeth it needs to enforce it |
| 18:11.27 | kd3 | anyway, back to work |
| 18:11.35 | Ressy | And with that, and wholesale regulations, our speeds were massively kicked. |
| 18:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | Some days this cubicle farm makes me wish my coworkers had never been born. |
| 18:11.45 | Ressy | we went from a max of 10mbps on cable, to 250mbps right now. |
| 18:11.51 | Ressy | and 6mbps on DSL, to 50 |
| 18:12.05 | Ressy | (6 theoretical max, if near dslam) |
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| 18:13.00 | Ayrshire | Have they fixed the DSL shenanigans yet where the highest speeds are a different category they weren't forced to wholesale? |
| 18:13.15 | Ressy | the FTTH access? |
| 18:13.37 | Ressy | There's a wholesale review going on, which deals with that. |
| 18:13.37 | Ayrshire | FTTN maybe, it was just the newest DSL tech |
| 18:13.45 | Ressy | naw. FTTN is on wholesale right now. :) |
| 18:14.03 | Ayrshire | TekSavvy couldn't offer the highest dsl speeds for awhile |
| 18:14.12 | Ressy | Telus? |
| 18:14.17 | Ayrshire | Bell |
| 18:14.27 | Ressy | That would be the costing.. |
| 18:14.44 | Ayrshire | I hopped over to TekSavvy cable awhile back due to signal issues, so haven't kept up on the dsl side. |
| 18:15.11 | Ressy | You might be interested int his Ayrshire: |
| 18:15.24 | Ressy | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LS69t55shCH8X7_LaNGQ0DkBIIdqXac0T3p1Uc5dBmM/edit?usp=sharing |
| 18:15.45 | Ayrshire | I've caught the odd bit of news via TekSavvy's posts on dslreports when I happen to poke at that forum every so often. |
| 18:16.09 | Ressy | The Bell 50/10 was held up by the interim decision.. It hasn't been finalized.. And if there's changes between interim & finalized, Bell always wants retroactive. |
| 18:16.26 | Ressy | so... They sometimes don't offer service til the Tariff Notice is finalized |
| 18:16.37 | Ressy | Ayrshire: Should add me on dslr: Resa1983 |
| 18:16.53 | Ayrshire | I don't think I have an account there |
| 18:17.22 | Ayrshire | Yeah, the tariff stuff is always a mess. |
| 18:17.24 | Ressy | I started that wholesale document back in 2013.. heh |
| 18:17.34 | Ressy | You'd be surprised.. A lot of people use it, and link to it. :) |
| 18:18.19 | Ayrshire | Neat |
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| 18:19.00 | Ayrshire | I was on 28/1, hopped over to 60/10 recently. |
| 18:19.20 | Ressy | heh... Can tell you've been on it for a while. |
| 18:19.27 | Ressy | I was on 28/1, then jumped to 35/3 |
| 18:20.33 | Ayrshire | 1 up is way too little for that amount of down |
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| 18:21.00 | Ayrshire | Might have gone for 250 if it was avail |
| 18:21.08 | Ressy | You remember the days of 75/2? |
| 18:21.10 | Ressy | snickers |
| 18:21.36 | Ressy | Teksavvy's waiting on the 28/8 modems to be approved. |
| 18:21.43 | Ressy | then 250 will be available |
| 18:22.02 | Ressy | Lots of... nonsense. Believe me. >.< |
| 18:22.15 | Ayrshire | But I believe they're still waiting on a date for when they can get the modems |
| 18:22.16 | Ayrshire | Yeah |
| 18:22.25 | Ressy | oh they have them. |
| 18:22.42 | Ayrshire | Ah, I'm out of date then |
| 18:22.59 | Ressy | >.> |
| 18:23.08 | Ressy | You should join the Teksavvy IRC channel. lol |
| 18:23.14 | Ressy | EFNet #Teksavvy |
| 18:23.34 | Ayrshire | Heh |
| 18:25.18 | Ressy | Its... not as civil as this channel however. |
| 18:25.35 | Fisker | It's military?! |
| 18:26.07 | Ressy | ... They harass me constantly. |
| 18:26.17 | Fisker | Bah |
| 18:26.20 | Fisker | Jerks |
| 18:26.22 | Ressy | ops gave me rights to ban & kick.. So its ok |
| 18:26.31 | Torhal | Wow. Ressy just accused us of civility. |
| 18:26.36 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:26.38 | Ressy | snickers |
| 18:26.47 | Stanzilla | I'd love a snickers right now |
| 18:26.50 | Fisker | It's known to happen Torhal |
| 18:26.51 | Ressy | Ask Bryan about the shit I go through in that channel daily.. I've sent him a few doozies |
| 18:26.51 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 18:26.58 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 18:27.25 | Fisker | (Shirik has highlight on military) |
| 18:27.34 | Shirik | it's true |
| 18:27.47 | Shirik | also have you ever stood in so much fire that your screen burned up? https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/s2048x2048/10960470_10100520094778088_859576464849904620_o.jpg |
| 18:28.57 | Fisker | Nope |
| 18:29.22 | Fisker | I like elite better |
| 18:30.11 | Fisker | That time when they shot my canopy and I had to go FTL to the nearest space station before dying from failing life support <3 |
| 18:30.13 | Shirik | that's that eve FPS right? |
| 18:30.38 | Fisker | No |
| 18:30.46 | Thunder_Child | No, thats the space sim fps having to relation to excel gaming. |
| 18:30.54 | Thunder_Child | s/to/no/ |
| 18:31.03 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 18:31.17 | Shirik | I've heard mixed reviews about it |
| 18:31.36 | Shirik | some people say they love it, and some people say that eve's control system makes a lot more sense |
| 18:32.16 | Fisker | I can't even remember how eve does it |
| 18:32.21 | Fisker | But elite is fine to me |
| 18:32.22 | Thunder_Child | Click and fail |
| 18:32.30 | Fisker | My bigger problem is the content |
| 18:32.45 | Shirik | I haven't seen it at all but I've just been told by a lot of people that it's way too much to think about to control your ship |
| 18:32.53 | Thunder_Child | I am not sure how you can compare the two, eve is more of a strategy game in its control scheme. |
| 18:33.07 | Shirik | I agree |
| 18:33.07 | Fisker | Exactly |
| 18:33.29 | Shirik | we have a rule: "If you get into a fair fight, you screwed up" |
| 18:33.45 | Ayrshire | Complaint I've heard about Elite is that you spend 80% of your time in transit. |
| 18:37.45 | zenzelezz | I don't have much of an issue with that, but I imagine I've seen much fewer high-reward missions since the last patch... which I find annoying |
| 18:49.23 | Semlar | alright well i figured out how to reproduce the bug with cooldown frames |
| 18:49.51 | Semlar | if you cancel the cooldown before it starts playing its bling animation it gets stuck displaying the spark |
| 18:50.26 | Semlar | so if you do something like start a cast and immediately interrupt it your bars will be covered with bling textures |
| 18:51.45 | Torhal | covers Semlar in bling. |
| 18:51.58 | Semlar | i'm a shiny pokemon! |
| 18:52.04 | Neffi | arrests Semlar for being an obvious pimp. |
| 18:52.09 | Semlar | :O |
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| 18:53.26 | Ayrshire | No, no, he's obviously a quest goal. We need to kill him for some trivial reward. |
| 18:53.46 | Neffi | kills Semlar and sticks his hands into the corpse to retrieve loot. |
| 18:53.59 | Semlar | D: |
| 18:54.15 | Neffi | wtf all I got was some vendor trash |
| 18:54.18 | Neffi | where's the quest item? |
| 18:54.19 | Ayrshire | He probably only drops one ear too. |
| 18:54.26 | Semlar | no brain |
| 18:54.27 | Neffi | no ears at all! |
| 18:54.33 | Neffi | wtf blizzard |
| 19:09.06 | karl_w_w | http://time.com/3723722/fcc-net-neutrality-2/ we did it reddit? |
| 19:17.25 | Ayrshire | Hmm, apparently a plastic fork is the best cat toy ever. I if I had known that I could have saved some money. |
| 19:18.20 | Ayrshire | Of course, I have no idea how she actually got the fork. |
| 19:19.43 | Ressy | lol |
| 19:20.57 | zenzelezz | so, watching a Twitch stream, and Flash randomly dies. Reload the page... except for some reason Twitch doesn't resolve on the computer anymore. It still works on this other computer |
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| 19:22.51 | Ayrshire | ipconfig /flushdns maybe? |
| 19:24.12 | karl_w_w | try livestreamer or tardsplayer, zenzelezz? |
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| 19:24.36 | zenzelezz | Ayrshire: probably would've helped, but it always comes back after a couple of minutes. I'm just curious why it happens at all |
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| 19:50.00 | fewyn | hrm i wonder what should i roll for my weekly follower |
| 19:51.44 | fewyn | oh yeah |
| 19:51.46 | fewyn | treasure hunter |
| 20:00.12 | phelps | zenzelezz, maybe a bad cdn node |
| 20:00.54 | phelps | and you get a new one when the DNS refreshes |
| 20:01.06 | phelps | are you in some strange country |
| 20:01.54 | fewyn | did they buff the [Draenic Seeds] drop rate? |
| 20:03.09 | phelps | norway is a pretty strange country, probably that |
| 20:03.14 | phelps | fewyn, I think so |
| 20:03.21 | phelps | or we're both lucky as |
| 20:03.28 | fewyn | fine with that! |
| 20:03.39 | phelps | me too because before I couldn't keep the work orders full |
| 20:05.27 | phelps | wow |
| 20:05.42 | phelps | zenzelezz, if you're isp is get.no, thats crazy cheap |
| 20:06.23 | phelps | you're :| |
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| 20:20.38 | g0urra | aw yis finally blackhand hc down |
| 20:21.15 | fewyn | oh sweet you can now pick which potion you want from the follower in the aclhemy building instead of getting a cache |
| 20:21.28 | Ressy | They're soulbound now tho |
| 20:21.34 | fewyn | oh |
| 20:21.36 | fewyn | they are |
| 20:21.37 | fewyn | bleh |
| 20:21.48 | fewyn | i am much less excited then |
| 20:22.04 | fewyn | wasted that oen then |
| 20:22.08 | fewyn | i picked an agi pot on my paladin |
| 20:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | is ther an ink trader in draenor? :O |
| 20:22.15 | fewyn | no |
| 20:22.18 | fewyn | which is insane |
| 20:22.20 | fewyn | and stupid |
| 20:22.26 | fewyn | only reason i ever go to stormwind tho |
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| 20:53.27 | zenzelezz | <phelps> zenzelezz, if you're isp is get.no, thats crazy cheap <-- Get is cheap, or I am being cheap? |
| 20:54.28 | phelps | get is cheap |
| 20:54.40 | zenzelezz | I'm happy with their prices at least |
| 20:54.54 | phelps | yeah, that'd be double easily in the US |
| 20:55.14 | phelps | unless you're with someone like Google, but they're a real exception |
| 20:56.40 | Thunder_Child | Not for long hopefuly. |
| 21:01.00 | phelps | right, I'd probably kill a random person for Google fiber |
| 21:01.31 | Semlar | i think google only wants to be an ISP to collect more information on people |
| 21:01.31 | Torhal | What if the RNG picks you? |
| 21:01.43 | phelps | Torhal, that'd be quite a twist wouldn't it |
| 21:01.50 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 21:01.52 | Jamash | Google is an ISP to shame the telcos into providing faster internets |
| 21:02.08 | phelps | Semlar, they could sit someone in my house to watch me and I'd be ok with it |
| 21:02.18 | phelps | 1gbps |
| 21:02.18 | Semlar | they might |
| 21:02.36 | phelps | can you use it for business |
| 21:02.43 | phelps | I'd have to buy a rack and a sick usps |
| 21:02.46 | phelps | ups * |
| 21:03.07 | Maldivia | S2: LotV beta coming soon, it seems :) |
| 21:03.26 | phelps | oh yeah, 1gbps for $100 business class |
| 21:03.26 | Jamash | Yes, there's been a flurry of startups in cities with Googabit Fiber |
| 21:03.49 | Jamash | cheap |
| 21:04.06 | phelps | my colo charges just under $1k for 1gbps unmetered |
| 21:05.05 | phelps | or double 100mbps links for $20 extra |
| 21:05.06 | phelps | :| |
| 21:05.42 | Jamash | of course colo provides guarantees of service that having a google connection in your house doesn't |
| 21:05.53 | phelps | very true |
| 21:06.30 | phelps | ok, so its 1gbps with 10gbps burst |
| 21:06.40 | phelps | but still, thats expensive |
| 21:06.50 | Jamash | I want symmetric fast networking so p2p encrypted cloud backup can be a thing |
| 21:07.37 | Jamash | If I was a black hat hacker I'd set that up without bothering people about it first |
| 21:08.00 | phelps | 50/5 for $50/m |
| 21:08.14 | phelps | if I want to change that 5 to a 50, its $600/m |
| 21:08.24 | Neffi | woah |
| 21:08.30 | phelps | it also unlocks port 80, 21, 22, etc |
| 21:08.39 | Neffi | 's ISP when fully symmetric everywhere recently. |
| 21:08.40 | phelps | pretty much all ports under 1000 my ISP blocks |
| 21:09.13 | Jamash | makes sense for residential |
| 21:09.19 | phelps | business class is the only class that has an upload speed over 5mbps here (Suddenlink/Cox) |
| 21:10.07 | pompy | haha gg blizzard https://www.facebook.com/Warcraft/photos/a.298842734033.144051.138011799033/10153040964079034/?type=1&permPage=1 |
| 21:10.17 | phelps | at least they have nice routing to Stormrage |
| 21:10.23 | pompy | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1977464_10153040964079034_2713662920903984998_n.png?oh=ff44b3c6cd2be7192a1cc49ef8af595e&oe=558F4BAD&__gda__=1434854290_28fab66a238c6f6dfaeb3e52e33fbc43 for non-facebookers |
| 21:11.06 | Simca | i like the person who suggests zooming in to read it |
| 21:11.38 | phelps | you can read it |
| 21:11.39 | phelps | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/s2048x2048/10497866_10153040964079034_2713662920903984998_o.png |
| 21:11.53 | Simca | oh god, just barely |
| 21:12.03 | phelps | ha |
| 21:13.17 | Jamash | or you could click on the link directly below the image for the text |
| 21:13.38 | Jamash | also that's a ton of hotfixes for two days |
| 21:13.51 | Jamash | they must have had these underway concurrent with the patch |
| 21:14.20 | Jamash | yo dawg, we heard you like patch notes so we patched your patch notes |
| 21:15.21 | fewyn | http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/02/26/389259382/net-neutrality-up-for-vote-today-by-fcc-board |
| 21:15.24 | fewyn | incase no one heard |
| 21:15.32 | fewyn | It will now treat Internet service providers as carriers under Title II of the Telecommunications Act, which regulates services as public utilities. |
| 21:15.44 | Fisker | That the bird is the word? |
| 21:15.46 | Fisker | Oh |
| 21:16.12 | Jamash | I remember when Title II for ISPs was supposedly impossible |
| 21:18.39 | nebula169 | hopefully they fast track the legal challenges when they're filed |
| 21:20.46 | Jamash | fast track them to the round file |
| 21:21.09 | fewyn | fast track them to the trash can |
| 21:23.56 | Jamash | the round file is a euphemism for the trash can |
| 21:24.15 | Jamash | "It is not the government's role to offer services instead of or in competition with private actors", Michael O'Rielly said |
| 21:24.30 | Jamash | That's funny because that is the government's *only* role. |
| 21:24.47 | Simca | also i'm pretty sure the government isn't offering internet connections |
| 21:24.56 | Jamash | It's about municipalities, which are. |
| 21:25.17 | Jamash | which makes incumbent telcablecos vewwy sad |
| 21:25.56 | Jamash | and then get ALEC to write idiot laws that idiot legislators pass in idiot states to drown municipalities in red tape so they can't provide good service at decent prices |
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| 21:36.26 | Jamash | lololololololololol http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/02/verizon-issues-furious-response-to-fcc-in-morse-code-dated-1934/ |
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| 21:40.48 | g0urra | "Just as a newspaper is entitled to decide which content to publish and where, broadband providers may feature some content over others," Verizon further said. |
| 21:40.58 | g0urra | wow, how dumb can they be |
| 21:41.44 | Thunder_Child | They aren't dumb. They are however trying to influence readers. |
| 21:41.48 | Unkle | It's really more of a battle over who owns the network. |
| 21:42.05 | Gethe | yeah , and as the comments point out, we wouldn't even need title II if Verizon didn't get the old rules thrown out |
| 21:42.58 | Unkle | They build out fiber and copper and resonably want to control what they built. In the meantime, the rest of the world doesn't care about who owns the network, they just want their porn or netflix or whatever and they don't want the guy who owns the network to keep them from getting it. |
| 21:43.42 | Unkle | It's the age old problem of ownership and gatekeeping. |
| 21:43.52 | Unkle | Just applied to the internet. |
| 21:44.59 | nevcairiel | The rules may need updating as its not exactly the same as phone, but at least similar concepts should apply |
| 21:45.22 | fewyn | you shouldn't slow me down just because you can |
| 21:45.27 | fewyn | i pay for a service |
| 21:45.33 | fewyn | i'm already being gouged price wise |
| 21:45.39 | fewyn | compared to the rest of the world |
| 21:45.57 | Unkle | Yeah. There comes a time when owning the crucial infrastructure shouldn't give you the power to dictate to the populace. |
| 21:46.10 | Simca | all of verizon's routes could implode and the internet would still be alright |
| 21:46.18 | Simca | yeah they're big but they're not THAT big |
| 21:46.28 | Simca | the backbone is owned by several ISPs |
| 21:46.38 | nebula169 | they're also trying very hard to get out of the wired business |
| 21:46.44 | Unkle | But it's not just Verizon. Everyone has a stake in this. |
| 21:46.54 | nebula169 | wireless so much easier and more profitable! |
| 21:47.23 | fewyn | don't get me started on the mobile racket they've got going in the US |
| 21:48.29 | Unkle | Don't get me started on the comparison of small land-area coverage with large scattered population-center coverage. :p |
| 21:48.47 | fewyn | okay i concede there |
| 21:49.10 | fewyn | i was paying 100$ a month at sprint just 2 years ago for one line |
| 21:49.22 | fewyn | thankfully i switched to tmobile |
| 21:49.27 | fewyn | now i pay half that |
| 21:52.43 | Unkle | Also remember, Americans are a contrary lot. Convincing us all that something is a good idea AND getting us to PAY for it as a social construct is hard. Private companies get around that by selling the idea to small groups and letting others jump in later. Slower, very difficult infrastructure builds, and patch-work pricing schemes all emerge. Then add in trying to buy up spectrum rights and competing against entrenched interested who are making gobs of |
| 21:55.16 | Jamash | Also the US pays a huge innovator's tax, by getting the first, shitty version of many new technologies |
| 21:56.39 | Unkle | Look at how hard it was to get the fucking electrical grid built. :) |
| 21:57.56 | kd3 | speaking of electrical... (squeaky annoying laughter warning) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69yswP-MSvQ |
| 21:57.59 | Jamash | Con Edison only just shut off the last DC service seven years ago |
| 21:59.32 | kd3 | still trying to figure out how he screwed that up... wired the two switches in parallel or something? |
| 21:59.59 | Ressy | Congrats on finally getting Net Neutrality.. Bout time. |
| 22:01.27 | Unkle | I set up a new Twitter account for WoW-related tweets - and so I can use the Twitter integration in WoW without filling my regular twitter feed with WoW stuff. I'm @Unkle_Tweets for anyone who cares. |
| 22:01.48 | Ressy | :) |
| 22:01.53 | kd3 | I'd mess with in-game tweeting if the chromium embedded framework worked in wine... |
| 22:03.29 | kd3 | maybe I can hook up my account in windows and then tweet from linux? |
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| 22:04.06 | Unkle | I haven't set it up in-game yet, but I'll do it tonight after I get home from the gym. |
| 22:04.41 | jleclanche | kd3: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37594 |
| 22:04.41 | Unkle | I just set up the account, then tweeted twice. The first tweet is a Diablo III wallpaper image (lawl). |
| 22:05.47 | Dagmar | It's a _little_ buggy still |
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| 22:18.27 | fewyn | Anyone have any suggestions for inexpensive VPS hosts? |
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| 22:19.08 | phelps | fewyn, DigitalOcean is cheap and great |
| 22:19.25 | phelps | and I have a referral link that'll give you $10, enough for 2 months |
| 22:19.52 | phelps | its probably the best VPS company out there |
| 22:19.56 | fewyn | i've been using linode for years |
| 22:19.58 | phelps | DigitalOcean and Linode |
| 22:20.01 | fewyn | but i can't afford it with no job |
| 22:20.07 | Unkle | I was looking at https://www.mddhosting.com, https://www.hostgator.com, https://www.dreamhost.com, and https://www.linode.com. Haven't found one I'm thrilled with yet. |
| 22:20.15 | phelps | DO is $5/m for a 512MB box |
| 22:20.30 | phelps | its SSD as well |
| 22:20.37 | nebula169 | hostgator and dreamhost are the same company, just branded differently, same with bluehost i think |
| 22:20.53 | Kowh | http://www.hostvirtual.com/ is what I use, seems pretty decent. |
| 22:20.58 | phelps | https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=370bf37555ec |
| 22:21.29 | phelps | DigitalOcean has some of the best support, not as fast as Linode but just as good |
| 22:21.58 | fewyn | DO sounds like the winner |
| 22:22.06 | phelps | and if you just want a CHEAP VPS, quality isn't as important, CloudAtCost is a one-time provider |
| 22:22.08 | fewyn | thanks phelps |
| 22:22.12 | phelps | $35/forever |
| 22:22.17 | fewyn | i need it to host a few small websites |
| 22:22.19 | fewyn | and my irc bouncer |
| 22:22.21 | phelps | but its honestly the worst quality of service ever |
| 22:22.23 | fewyn | that's about all i use it for now |
| 22:22.51 | phelps | yeah no, bouncer doesn't work on CloudAtCost, too much packet loss |
| 22:22.55 | Unkle | Yeah, I'm about to consolidate all my blogs/media/etc to a VPS. |
| 22:23.02 | Kowh | Huh, apparently I do have a referral thingy too: https://www.hostvirtual.com/?a=4610 |
| 22:23.04 | amm4108 | openshift gives 3 applications free, although I donât think you can do bouncers there |
| 22:23.13 | phelps | I really can't recommend DigitalOcean enough, its the best service I've had |
| 22:23.18 | fewyn | the only reason i've 3072 linode is because i run automated builds for a java app |
| 22:23.29 | fewyn | but i can move that to my home server |
| 22:23.36 | fewyn | and just ftp it to the file dump |
| 22:24.03 | phelps | DigitalOcean has a lot of pre-configured images, like LEMP, Wordpress, Rails, etc |
| 22:24.20 | phelps | and they're pretty good, I'm always spinning up Rails boxes |
| 22:24.38 | phelps | Rails on Unicorn and Nginx |
| 22:24.43 | phelps | amazing setup and it takes 2 min |
| 22:24.49 | fewyn | oh hey digitalocean is hiring |
| 22:25.12 | phelps | I sent them my resume but I'm not expecting much |
| 22:25.52 | Unkle | I'm seriously considering setting up a mail server too. |
| 22:25.56 | phelps | mostly because I'm not in NY |
| 22:26.05 | Jamash | the internal description string on Geometry Wars 3 for Xbox 360 is "TODO - ADD DESCRIPTION" |
| 22:26.08 | fewyn | it says they hire remotely |
| 22:26.15 | phelps | and moving from Oklahoma to NY would be... a huge change |
| 22:26.27 | Arrowmaster | does DO let you use your own distro? |
| 22:26.43 | phelps | not sure, but they have most of them already |
| 22:26.51 | Kowh | Hrm, scratch hostvirtual I think. Looks like they don't offer the cheap plans anymore. |
| 22:26.52 | phelps | FreeBSD is usually what people are wanting when they do that |
| 22:27.23 | Arrowmaster | well they say they have debian but not what versions |
| 22:27.56 | kd3 | hahaha https://twitter.com/landonhowell/status/571039952034787328 |
| 22:28.29 | phelps | Arrowmaster, 6.0 and 7.0 both x64 and x86 |
| 22:28.48 | phelps | you can deploy a custom image using something like packer.io though |
| 22:28.54 | phelps | (at least thats what I'm reading) |
| 22:29.01 | phelps | https://www.packer.io/docs/builders/digitalocean.html |
| 22:29.01 | Kowh | Yeah, looks like the cheapest plan that has open slots is $60/mo, and they even hide that one. $80 is the cheapest listed on the main site. |
| 22:29.12 | Kowh | I pay $20/mo |
| 22:29.47 | Jamash | seems like for those prices you could just set up a virtualbox host yourself |
| 22:29.56 | Arrowmaster | and the big question is if DO is real virtualization or just containers |
| 22:31.07 | phelps | its real |
| 22:31.09 | Arrowmaster | oh it says kvm so its real |
| 22:31.14 | phelps | yep |
| 22:31.36 | Jamash | They have hourly pricing? What is this, some kind of Ghost in the Shell cloud-based love hotel? |
| 22:31.38 | Arrowmaster | most of the super cheap vps are openvz and fuck you over |
| 22:31.38 | Kowh | If slots open up again, they had VrP5 which was $10/mo. |
| 22:31.45 | Kowh | http://blog.vr.org/2013/04/host-virtual-plan-upgrades/ |
| 22:31.58 | phelps | Jamash, hourly only applies if you use less than 1 month worth |
| 22:32.11 | Jamash | I'm just riffing |
| 22:32.11 | phelps | so you're only changed a few cents if you need it for a few hours |
| 22:32.21 | Unkle | Yeah, they bill at the hourly rate until you hit the cap. |
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| 22:32.23 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 22:32.46 | phelps | they're DNS control panel is pretty sweet too |
| 22:32.54 | phelps | there * |
| 22:33.04 | kd3 | winces |
| 22:33.05 | phelps | their * |
| 22:33.20 | Jamash | nice |
| 22:33.21 | phelps | lets just pretend I'm 6 years old |
| 22:33.37 | Jamash | I don't think you should be allowed in this channel then |
| 22:33.48 | phelps | 7 ? |
| 22:34.52 | Arrowmaster | i really should get my own server for my domains at some point |
| 22:34.59 | phelps | I'll blame the American school system on all my problems |
| 22:35.32 | Arrowmaster | theyve been on a server my friend paid for an account on over 10 years ago and they never noticed we stopped paying for 9 years ago |
| 22:35.52 | kd3 | oops |
| 22:36.13 | phelps | I have a unused CloudAtCost VPS, shitty QoS but its free, if anyone wants to use it |
| 22:36.55 | phelps | sometimes an ls takes a few seconds |
| 22:37.01 | phelps | haha |
| 22:38.59 | Ayrshire | <-- on Host Virtual, btw. |
| 22:40.03 | Arrowmaster | huh i think the host my domains are on has finally shut down the account, i cant login over sftp |
| 22:40.11 | Kowh | Mostly just use it as a shell account. But also threw squid on there as it's in NYC and has tons of bandwidth. |
| 22:40.34 | Kowh | So I can listen to Pandora and stupid US-only video clips. |
| 22:42.41 | phelps | DOs 512MB boxes come with 1TB |
| 22:42.46 | phelps | pretty sweet |
| 22:43.15 | Kowh | I forget how much I have, but it's enough the only way it'd be an issue is if I torrented off it. |
| 22:44.52 | Kowh | And "issue" just means some tiny per-gig rate. |
| 22:47.32 | Semlar | Guillotine: it looks like the bling animation on the cooldown frames gets stuck if the cooldown duration is set to 0 before the spiral completes its animation |
| 22:48.47 | Torhal | thinks Semlar is Blingtron in disguise. |
| 22:48.54 | fewyn | now to move everything to DO |
| 22:49.07 | fewyn | i'm going to miss my cpanel install |
| 22:49.14 | Semlar | hands torhal a bomb |
| 22:49.55 | Semlar | i mean a gift |
| 22:50.02 | Torhal | :/ |
| 22:50.26 | Guillotine | Semlar: Any chance you have a test case that exhibits that issue that I can forward to QA? |
| 22:50.31 | Kowh | Torhal: Put him next to another Blingtron 5000 to find out |
| 22:51.12 | Semlar | Guillotine: if you start casting something that triggers the GCD, like your hearthstone, and immediately interrupt it by moving, it will leave the bling texture stuck on your action buttons |
| 22:51.33 | Semlar | i could write a /run command if it would be better |
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| 22:52.45 | SinusPi | If anyone's interested - TakeTaxiNode(i) now NEEDS a GetNumRoutes(i) call before it, otherwise it'll bomb with "node unreachable" errors. This should be useful for any flight automation addons. Thank Blizzard for improving one thing and breaking another... |
| 22:53.10 | Guillotine | Semlar: The Hearthstone steps actually work perfectly. Thanks! |
| 22:53.20 | Semlar | Guillotine: /run ActionButton1Cooldown:SetCooldown(GetTime(), 1) ActionButton1Cooldown:SetCooldown(0,0) |
| 22:53.33 | Semlar | will get it stuck on the first action button, too |
| 22:59.34 | phelps | fewyn, you can get cPanel for $15/m, that'd put you at something like $25/m |
| 22:59.43 | fewyn | yeah |
| 22:59.47 | fewyn | that's why i'm cutting cost |
| 22:59.48 | phelps | and you can get it directly from cPanel now, no reseller shit |
| 22:59.53 | fewyn | i was paying an extra 15$ a month for cpanel |
| 22:59.58 | fewyn | on top of 30 for linode |
| 22:59.58 | phelps | ahh. yes |
| 23:00.18 | phelps | well, you could at least have it cheaper still |
| 23:00.26 | phelps | $20 cheaper |
| 23:00.41 | phelps | it might run on 512MB if you cut out all the bloat |
| 23:00.51 | phelps | like mail servers, virus scanning, etc |
| 23:01.05 | phelps | I'd still want 1GB with cPanel tho |
| 23:01.05 | fewyn | yeah i was running a vps optimized version |
| 23:04.11 | Simca | Semlar: your flight map addon is great |
| 23:04.27 | Simca | A++ |
| 23:06.06 | phelps | fewyn, thanks for using the ref link, I get $25 from it |
| 23:06.14 | phelps | and whoever else in here used it |
| 23:07.36 | fewyn | decided to try something different and learn nginx |
| 23:07.47 | fewyn | let's see how long this lasts |
| 23:17.12 | phelps | nginx is fantastic, I can help you but really the tutorials out there would be better |
| 23:17.39 | phelps | plus, you can run a dozen sites off a 512mb box |
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| 23:40.23 | fewyn | oh god the new autofillet buff is so awesome |
