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| 01:20.45 | kd3 | oops? "Eye of the Storm: Fixed an issue where Horde players were unable to capture the flag at Mage Tower." |
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| 01:22.01 | Simca | hahahaha |
| 01:22.17 | Maldivia | ... and yet horde still wins |
| 01:24.15 | Simca | to be fair how often would you try to capture the flag at mage tower as horde |
| 01:26.49 | Maldivia | I've seen several games where the map got flipped 180 degrees... and I very rarely play any BGs |
| 01:33.42 | Simca | it is more common for a 90 degree flip with horde having MT and FR and alliance having BE and DR |
| 01:33.51 | Simca | in which case you'd still want to capture at FR |
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| 02:23.35 | linear4 | Hey. Wondering if anyone has information about getting an OTR chat encryption addon in WoW; any relevant libraries or addons or information that you guys know of? I haven't found too much on the topic related to WoW. |
| 02:24.30 | kd3 | sounds rough, considering blizz logs all chat |
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| 02:24.45 | kd3 | which shouldn't matter for otr |
| 02:24.58 | kd3 | but dunno how you'd handle asymmetric encryption |
| 02:25.02 | kd3 | key exchange would be difficult |
| 02:25.17 | kd3 | and you only get 255 bytes per message |
| 02:25.24 | linear4 | They do, that's what I dislike. I know they log and congregate all chats, and I'm relatively confident they are also paired with NSA et al. |
| 02:25.24 | Primer | rot13 |
| 02:25.36 | linear4 | Primer: There's actually an addon I found that has 'rot13 encryption for guild chat'. |
| 02:25.37 | Neffi | kd3: I thought it was 4096 now for addon messages? |
| 02:25.52 | Primer | I was joking, of course :) |
| 02:26.32 | Primer | but yeah, NSA + blizz...that's a stretch |
| 02:26.48 | linear4 | I know for a fact that WoW in China sends /all/ logs to their government, and that along with some other information leads me to believe the same for NSA applies, since they have everything written to do it. |
| 02:27.57 | kd3 | everyone in china sends all logs to government. that's just how things work behind the great firewall |
| 02:28.25 | linear4 | The US is only so much better in some areas, but, that's kind of off-topic, sorry. |
| 02:28.54 | linear4 | It does seem like this would be a lot of work to write, so, maybe not the project for me, unfortunately |
| 02:29.04 | kd3 | all I'd suggest if you're serious, is to search for lua encryption |
| 02:29.19 | kd3 | then figure out how otr works and chunking data into 255/4096 byte segments |
| 02:29.20 | nebula169 | why the fuck do you care about what you say in game? if you want a private conversation use something more appropriate |
| 02:29.51 | linear4 | nebula169: Well, it can be very difficult to get players to use something other than WoW chat/btag/skype |
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| 02:35.42 | Primer | Learn Navajo |
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| 02:38.00 | Primer | One would think that a machine whose WTF directory is synced to another's would show every addon element in the exact same place |
| 02:38.12 | Primer | But it seems that's not true |
| 02:39.41 | Neffi | same account? same resolution? |
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| 02:46.27 | Primer | yeah, I guess I forgot to mention that |
| 02:46.59 | Primer | I recently switched out the main display on my machine at home and I'm now 1920x1080 where I was 1920x1200 before |
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| 02:48.15 | nebula169 | thats the most annoying part between going from my desktop (1920x1200) to my laptop (1920x1080) |
| 02:48.43 | nebula169 | addons always pick different anchors for shit, too, some is center, some is left z.z |
| 02:49.03 | Stanzilla | kyle |
| 02:49.47 | nebula169 | stan |
| 02:49.50 | Stanzilla | terrorists have been using WoW to communicate before |
| 02:49.56 | Stanzilla | also I'm sending your data to the NSA |
| 02:50.26 | nebula169 | i'm cool with that, i cc the nsa on all of my dick pics, too, just to make sure |
| 02:50.45 | Stanzilla | well played |
| 02:51.44 | Primer | So my sync script, which uses rsync, would omit specific addon SVs that had position shit |
| 02:52.15 | Primer | but now everything's 1920x1080...yet, things are in different places |
| 02:52.42 | Stanzilla | rekt |
| 02:55.22 | Thunder_Child | Primer: scaling? |
| 02:55.56 | Primer | Thunder_Child: You mean UI scaling? Shouldn't that be in WTF too? |
| 02:56.03 | fewyn | that's awesome |
| 02:56.09 | Thunder_Child | Primer: No, I mean OS scaling. |
| 02:56.10 | fewyn | my headset stops working after 30 minutes |
| 02:56.17 | fewyn | and i have to unplug and replug it |
| 02:56.46 | Thunder_Child | Primer: Are things significantly out of place? |
| 02:56.55 | Primer | Thunder_Child: One would think 1920x1080 in windows is the same as 1920x1080 in Linux |
| 02:57.04 | Primer | and I'm in Linux currently |
| 02:57.22 | Primer | Thunder_Child: no, just slightly |
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| 02:59.36 | Primer | I did notice that everything fit perfectly on my laptop, but that's windows -> windows |
| 03:00.12 | Thunder_Child | That does kinda reinforce my theory. |
| 03:03.41 | fewyn | sigh |
| 03:03.53 | fewyn | my headset now stops working within minutes of plugging it in |
| 03:05.37 | Thunder_Child | fewyn: Are you sure it is the headset? try it in a phone or something else. |
| 03:10.49 | fewyn | it's a usb headset Thunder_Child |
| 03:11.08 | Thunder_Child | fewyn: Could be the port. |
| 03:11.17 | fewyn | i've tried all the other ports |
| 03:11.34 | fewyn | it probably broke while moving across the country somehow |
| 03:12.09 | Thunder_Child | Do you have another device with usb? I ask because most systems only have 1 controller for all of the ports. They do have a max throughput. |
| 03:12.25 | Thunder_Child | I found that out when I tried to use 2 1080p webcams. |
| 03:12.39 | fewyn | i have my keyboard and mouse |
| 03:12.40 | fewyn | that's it |
| 03:31.59 | fewyn | there we go 2377 auctions posted for a grand total buyout value 483,365g 30s 79c |
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| 04:10.51 | plaw | the real reason to get an ultra wide display (from another #) http://i.imgur.com/7Xn3ARh.jpg |
| 04:11.03 | Shirik | 10:53:04 â Crew reduces power to the left engine |
| 04:11.03 | Shirik | 10:53:12â18 â Stall warning sounds |
| 04:11.03 | Shirik | 10:53:24 â Crew cuts power to the left engine |
| 04:11.05 | Shirik | I want to punch someone |
| 04:13.32 | plaw | oO |
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| 04:26.08 | pompy | Shirik: game or rl? |
| 04:26.20 | Shirik | this is the taiwan air flight |
| 04:26.54 | Shirik | transasia, whatever |
| 04:27.06 | pompy | oh gg |
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| 04:32.43 | Simca | weird |
| 04:32.57 | Simca | I have the "Firestorm" and "Blizzard" effects active on my toon when I logged in |
| 04:33.10 | Simca | so the sky is on fire and it is very snowy |
| 04:33.22 | Simca | but I don't have a Blizzard Stone and I didn't use a Firefury Totem |
| 04:33.59 | Simca | and it doesn't seem like there is any range - the effect area is my entire garrison instead of 90 yards or whatever |
| 04:39.45 | fewyn | one of these days precious is going to give me its ribbon |
| 04:47.20 | Dagmar | Simca the game is trying to tell you that you've been doing too much rock |
| 05:18.31 | karl_w_w | i hate how steam forgets what you were typing if you change tab |
| 05:19.15 | karl_w_w | especially when I have also forgotten it |
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| 05:23.23 | Thunder_Child | it's not steam then. |
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| 05:56.37 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Over a month in, iâm conflicted about the 4K monitor |
| 05:58.34 | Iriel | Visually the image quality is superb, but itâs just not quite the right size - natural resolution has text too small, âretinaâ mode (pixel doubling) has text too large. |
| 05:59.17 | Iriel | I may have to fiddle with intermediate zoom levels - last time I tried those (some time ago) they were iffy |
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| 06:15.33 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Windows handles the size better in that it seems 'normal' the problem is that it is very fuzzy. |
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| 06:16.33 | Dagmar | Goddamn Android. They should really prefix most of the documentation with "no matter what we say, it will be wrong" |
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| 06:16.51 | Dagmar | "Wrong in every possible way" |
| 06:17.05 | bluipodcow | Hey. |
| 06:17.15 | bluipodcow | Kia ora |
| 06:17.24 | Dagmar | If you value your sanity, do not attempt to make a _widget_ for MasterPlan |
| 06:17.30 | Dagmar | It will only end in tears. |
| 06:17.43 | bluipodcow | Y would you do dat ? |
| 06:18.08 | Dagmar | onEnabled is _supposed_ tb be called when the first appWidget is put on the screen, but this is a load of bollocks |
| 06:18.52 | Blunopantscow | lol |
| 06:18.55 | Dagmar | the APPWIFGET_UPDATE signal happens whenever it damn well pleases and will go through onRecieve before actually calling onUpdate, and then onUpdate will fire |
| 06:19.08 | Dagmar | ...and _then_ perhaps onEnabled will actually be called. |
| 06:19.46 | Dagmar | ...which means if you're doing like I was doing and expecting to do some initialization in onEnabled like a good little coder, you will frequently and at random get an NPE and your widget will magically disappear |
| 06:20.27 | Dagmar | I finally just sat down and wrote a bogus widget whose main purpose is to draw a questionmark in a box and then log every little thing that happens. |
| 06:20.39 | karl_w_w | woo Blu strip show |
| 06:20.54 | Blunopantscow | I'm wearing shorts |
| 06:21.08 | Dagmar | Detachable pants that detach at the knees? |
| 06:21.13 | Blunopantscow | Shorts are not pants |
| 06:21.27 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:21.32 | Blunopantscow | Detachable brain more like |
| 06:21.32 | Dagmar | I have some detachable pants. |
| 06:21.38 | Blunopantscow | Wat |
| 06:21.45 | Dagmar | They have zippers around the knee. |
| 06:21.55 | Blunopantscow | ..... |
| 06:22.04 | Blunopantscow | I read that as detachable parts |
| 06:22.14 | Dagmar | ...so you're able to convert them into shorts, which means the tubes of cloth you hold in your hands are apparently the pants. |
| 06:23.11 | Dagmar | I have actually detached them on the porch of a coffee house and waved them around saying "Haha! No more pants for me!" |
| 06:27.12 | Blunopantscow | Lol |
| 06:31.16 | Simca | the porch of a coffee house? what is this the 1950s |
| 06:31.32 | Dagmar | No, but I think the place was originally built then |
| 06:31.42 | Dagmar | It's Bongo Java. kd3 has been there |
| 06:34.36 | Blunopantscow | Kd3s been everywhere man |
| 06:35.03 | Blunopantscow | They're lying. Its a speakeasy |
| 06:40.37 | Neffi | where'd your pants go? |
| 06:41.46 | Blunopantscow | I dunno lol |
| 06:41.53 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn most likely. |
| 06:42.20 | Dagmar | It's not as much fun anymore since the porch went non-smoking |
| 06:43.09 | Dagmar | ...although the owner doesn't say a _word_ about me standing on the sidewalk smoking, because a) I glare at the kids who ditch their butts on the ground and b) my cigarettes are black and you will never see them on the ground. |
| 06:43.28 | Dagmar | Actually I do a bit more than glare. hehe |
| 06:43.32 | Dagmar | Bloody savagers |
| 06:45.21 | Blunopantscow | E cig? |
| 06:47.17 | Dagmar | No, Sampoerna Xtras |
| 06:47.23 | Blunopantscow | Oh |
| 06:47.29 | Dagmar | I'm old school. I smoke with real fire. |
| 06:47.56 | Dagmar | It keeps me from killing people... like Android devs who write documentation that is a lie. |
| 06:48.41 | Neffi | rolls Dagmar up in paper and lights his hair on fire. |
| 06:49.00 | Dagmar | "Taste the hate." |
| 06:49.24 | Dagmar | Soon... I will be in you. |
| 06:49.32 | Neffi | :O |
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| 06:54.45 | Blunopantscow | Eeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 07:00.11 | karl_w_w | I had some of those detachable pants |
| 07:00.29 | Simca | same |
| 07:00.37 | karl_w_w | they werent very comfortable wearing them too long in shorts form though |
| 07:01.32 | Simca | the ones I had weren't that comfortable period - the material was pretty mediocre |
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| 07:19.41 | Simca | gotta love extremely improbable scenarios that are essentially unhandleable |
| 07:21.08 | Simca | http://www.wowdb.com/items/114120-big-crate-of-salvage?contains-item-page=137#related:contains-item somehow, some way, somebody managed to filet a fish while opening a salvage box. perhaps with a few seconds of 0 FPS then having all the events come in at the same millisecond (from the previously locked-up game's perception) |
| 07:21.51 | Simca | (filleting a fish and opening a salvage box both have 1.5 second cast times) |
| 07:23.32 | Simca | of course, this happened twice out of 1.8 million loots of the salvage box |
| 07:23.38 | Simca | but it is annoying. |
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| 07:28.03 | Blunopantscow | Spoons like a challenge |
| 07:28.12 | Blunopantscow | Woops |
| 07:28.25 | Blunopantscow | Meant sounds like a challenge |
| 07:29.20 | Neffi | lol |
| 07:32.10 | Torhal | Simca: I really like 6E-05% for the last 3 entries. |
| 07:32.37 | Simca | yeah, all three of them are probably bad data |
| 07:33.10 | Torhal | So glad I don't have to worry about that shit anymore |
| 07:33.16 | Simca | still, 3 entries out of 137 pages of entries when the only way to detect the loot and assign it to the box is by watching chat messages isn't that bad |
| 07:33.18 | Torhal | The race conditions, man. |
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| 07:34.35 | Simca | I eagerly await WoW 7.0, where loot will fall into your bags without any events, and the only way to detect it will be by polling the contents of your bags every other frame and doing comparisons |
| 07:34.40 | Simca | that's the next logical step |
| 07:35.26 | Torhal | Simca: What was REALLY fun is when MoP first hit, and the event for AoE loot was all fucked up. |
| 07:36.27 | Torhal | The only NPC shown as the source was the corpse you looted. |
| 07:36.28 | Torhal | Fun times. |
| 07:36.39 | Simca | yeah |
| 07:37.11 | Simca | and this no loot window thing apparently they've been doing for a while, just for weird things like clams |
| 07:37.19 | Torhal | :/ |
| 07:37.30 | Simca | first database with true clam support |
| 07:37.34 | Simca | should be the tagline |
| 07:37.37 | Torhal | Haha |
| 07:38.00 | Fisker | attacks Torhal |
| 07:38.17 | Torhal | ripostes, accidentally maiming Blunopantscow. |
| 07:41.30 | Blunopantscow | Now I has no shorts |
| 07:41.45 | Blunopantscow | And am now female |
| 07:43.41 | Bluskirtcow | <-------- |
| 07:50.59 | Dagmar | So it's that easy in Germany now, huh? |
| 08:09.33 | Torhal | He's in New Zealand. |
| 08:09.37 | Torhal | But ok |
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| 08:31.07 | Fisker | Hey bluipodcow |
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| 09:55.07 | Trela | Finding a powered USB cable should not be hard. :| |
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| 12:00.58 | zenzelezz | "Not using #include guards (like #pragma once) in C & C++ is a code smell. In fact you could say it gives off a really bad ODR" |
| 12:06.24 | Simca | heh |
| 12:07.19 | Simca | not using include guards is only rarely going to allow the program to compile |
| 12:08.40 | zenzelezz | breaking the ODR is one of the common causes as a result |
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| 12:17.13 | nevcairiel | with #pragma once its also so simple, dont even have to think of a name for the define or anything! |
| 12:18.16 | Simca | yeah, i <3 it |
| 12:18.38 | Simca | unfortunately my instructors forbid it because reasons |
| 12:18.57 | Simca | (probably because the last time they revised their course material was like 2003) |
| 12:19.01 | nevcairiel | probably a C nut or something |
| 12:19.15 | Simca | could be that too |
| 12:19.43 | nevcairiel | i dont think pragma once is part of the standard, at least not for C |
| 12:20.47 | Fisker | I think I recall pragma once when doing c |
| 12:21.09 | nevcairiel | not being part of the standard doesnt mean that compilers dont support it |
| 12:21.12 | Simca | it's implementation dependent in C++, officially, but around 2008-2010 all major compilers (GCC, Intel, MSVC, etc) made it start doing the same thing. It's kind of spread outwards from that |
| 12:21.13 | Fisker | oh |
| 12:21.29 | Fisker | My C experience is pretty much limited to having a matrix-display say 80085 |
| 12:21.32 | Fisker | hehehe |
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| 12:21.47 | Simca | it would probably be difficult to find a compiler that didn't support #pragma once nowadays |
| 12:21.51 | nevcairiel | it was introduced in GCC last, in 3.4 |
| 12:22.18 | nevcairiel | ... which was initially released in 2004 |
| 12:22.43 | nevcairiel | msvc had it all along, as did all t he compilers that pretend to be compatible to msvc, like Intels |
| 12:26.30 | zenzelezz | IIRC, no (or very few) pragmas are standard |
| 12:30.32 | Industrial | Cairenn: yay for ESOUI \:D/ |
| 12:31.49 | Simca | apparently the reason for it not being added in the standard for C++11 was how the implementation would have to differ across platforms with regards to things on remote mounts or hardlinks. |
| 12:33.59 | Simca | that reasoning doesn't hold up now though because C++17 is going to add a filesystem library |
| 12:34.52 | nevcairiel | somehow i dont think a language standard should include a filesystem library |
| 12:36.37 | Simca | well, I'm pretty sure boost::filesystem is the most popular third-party library |
| 12:36.50 | Simca | so in terms of usefulness, it makes sense |
| 12:43.37 | zenzelezz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/02/06/2026226/firefox-succeeded-in-its-goal----but-whats-next - this could be some hours worth of entertainment in the comment section |
| 12:44.59 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: strictly speaking it won't be the core language, but the standard library |
| 12:45.21 | nevcairiel | but thats part of the language standard |
| 13:06.49 | Simca | heh, "File System TS: Beman Dawes. Work based on Boost.Filesystem v3, including file and directory iteration." |
| 13:07.03 | Simca | they even flat out say they're basing it on boost |
| 13:07.54 | nevcairiel | they are basind a whole lot of new library features on boost, if you didnt notice that yet |
| 13:08.38 | Simca | yeah |
| 13:08.51 | Simca | i'm surprised it actually says that though |
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| 14:48.23 | zenzelezz | "... I'm gonna relate a little bit to C++; if C bothers you then think of it as kind of pseudo-code, alright?" |
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| 15:39.52 | jootikala | can somone tell me if my methods are even close to working? http://pastebin.com/pGRyrrk2 |
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| 15:55.31 | zenzelezz | did you try running them? |
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| 15:58.11 | jootikala | i get no errors when i run them in wowlua |
| 15:58.46 | zenzelezz | what is it supposed to do? |
| 15:59.26 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.00 | jootikala | well it's not done yet, but there are comments what every method should do |
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| 16:04.47 | zenzelezz | like 18-25 confuse me, especially the "else" (even with what I guess is a typo fixed) |
| 16:04.55 | zenzelezz | line |
| 16:06.55 | jootikala | it's my attempt to store data, because i don't understand how to store them in an object |
| 16:07.22 | zenzelezz | yes, but it looks like you're assigning the same value to the same object in the "else" case |
| 16:09.51 | jootikala | it's supposed to keep the value the same in case the statement is false. is there some other way to do it? |
| 16:10.09 | zenzelezz | just don't assign to it |
| 16:10.18 | zenzelezz | if you don't give it a new value, the value is unchanged |
| 16:11.08 | jootikala | and in that case the return gives the old value? |
| 16:11.57 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 16:14.04 | Simca | yeah if your else case does nothing, then just don't have an else case |
| 16:21.06 | jootikala | do i need to add anything to the parameters or will they work together? |
| 16:26.14 | Simca | you may have to rethink the sliceMasteryCastCheck function |
| 16:27.13 | Simca | even accounting for the fact that you didn't implement the "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" event handling yet, you can't check events on demand |
| 16:27.50 | zenzelezz | are you basing your code on some example, or someone else'scode? |
| 16:27.51 | Simca | the flow of execution is controlled by the occurrence of the event |
| 16:29.09 | jootikala | i know that. i was planning to use it as a filter |
| 16:30.30 | jootikala | im using my little knowledge of java and trying to read examples |
| 16:31.56 | Industrial | Anyone play Elder Scrolls Online EU? |
| 16:32.39 | jootikala | the plan was to register event UNIT_AURA and then filter from that only slice and dice cast |
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| 16:33.23 | jootikala | i guess one way is to use combat log events, but i didn't really understand how they work |
| 16:40.11 | zenzelezz | jootikala: your first idea should work |
| 16:41.07 | Simca | yeah "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" is fine |
| 16:42.19 | karl_w_w | I'm quit proud of my peripheral vision today |
| 16:42.57 | zenzelezz | that's an interesting statement |
| 16:43.17 | karl_w_w | I sensed a cockroach ~10 metres away at my 4 o'clock while watching something quite exciting on the PC |
| 16:43.50 | karl_w_w | it's dead now |
| 16:45.01 | zenzelezz | it died spontaneously from your gaze? |
| 16:45.06 | karl_w_w | correct |
| 16:45.13 | karl_w_w | I gazed at it intently |
| 16:45.19 | karl_w_w | while spraying it |
| 16:45.22 | karl_w_w | intently |
| 16:45.25 | Simca | you're like the battle pet Willy |
| 16:45.39 | karl_w_w | I've never been called willy before |
| 16:45.42 | karl_w_w | thank you |
| 16:45.43 | Simca | periodically zaps critters with eye beams |
| 16:47.37 | karl_w_w | i actually saw it and looked back at my desk which has a small dark wrapper on it that in that moment looked exactly like a cockroach |
| 16:57.23 | jootikala | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.07 | zenzelezz | jootikala: line 19 needs to be "bankedMastery = util.masteryCurrently()", since masteryCurrently is a function |
| 17:14.00 | zenzelezz | actually everywhere where you only have "util.masterCurrently" you need to add "()", except on line 4 |
| 17:14.54 | zenzelezz | looks like a recurring thing; everywhere where you have "util.[...] = function()" you need to use "()" when you invoke them - they're functions, not variables |
| 17:15.27 | jootikala | yeah, forgot about that |
| 17:16.47 | Simca | in front of local variables (i.e. variables you only want to exist inside a specific scope, like a function, you need to put 'local' in the line that they are declared |
| 17:17.04 | Simca | i.e. local statMastery = GetMasteryEffect() |
| 17:17.27 | Simca | though, in the case of that function, you are essentially just doing GetMasteryEffect() and it would be better to not have that function exist at all |
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| 17:20.50 | Simca | additionally, 'else if' in Lua is actually a keyword - 'elseif' |
| 17:21.08 | Simca | and you wouldn't need two 'ends' in that case |
| 17:23.27 | jootikala | GetMasteryEffect() returns two values. if i call for GetMasteryEffect() will it always use the first value if im asking for one value from it? |
| 17:23.40 | Simca | yes |
| 17:24.08 | Simca | using it in a comparison will result in the second value being ignored and the first value being compared, for example |
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| 17:26.31 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.36 | zenzelezz | nice graph |
| 17:27.46 | zenzelezz | tool of some sort? |
| 17:28.25 | foxlit | graphviz draws things. |
| 17:29.08 | zenzelezz | hm, interesting; don't recall hearing about that one before |
| 17:29.21 | Simca | jootikala: here is a quick implementation using bankedMastery as a local variable and just updating it when the event is called |
| 17:29.22 | Simca | http://pastebin.com/p1UEe609 |
| 17:37.10 | jootikala | thank you for cleaning up my code. i was actually planning to use util frame to store the basic functions and make other frames with event checkers that would print the data to the UI |
| 17:38.46 | Simca | ah okay. Lua isn't object-oriented like Java, so you don't actually need frames unless you're displaying UI elements (printing to chat doesn't count) or watching events |
| 17:39.02 | Simca | everything else can just be declared as a local function |
| 17:40.38 | Iriel | Simca: I wouldnât necessarily just leap straight to âLocal Functionâ - normal functions are often much cleaner when getting started |
| 17:40.48 | Iriel | since you can actually call them for debug etc |
| 17:41.08 | nevcairiel | dont advocate poison for the global space, noooo! |
| 17:41.28 | Iriel | though I think you might have used âlocalâ somewhat incorrectly. |
| 17:41.41 | Iriel | nevcairiel: You can always put them in a global container. |
| 17:41.49 | Simca | in the code? |
| 17:41.57 | Iriel | Simca: no, in your description. |
| 17:42.01 | zenzelezz | I put all my functions in _ |
| 17:42.04 | zenzelezz | they don't seem to last though |
| 17:42.43 | Simca | personally I prefer putting my functions in the addon's namespace table |
| 17:42.51 | Iriel | Simca: Me also |
| 17:42.53 | Simca | it is pretty nifty and already declared for you so why not |
| 17:42.55 | zenzelezz | Simca: hippie |
| 17:43.08 | Iriel | But then I tend to put that table into the global namespace (at least when developing) |
| 17:43.20 | Iriel | once everything works it can (sometimes) be handy to leave it private |
| 17:44.04 | jootikala | so is local kind of the same thing as a private class in java? |
| 17:44.29 | zenzelezz | think of it more as just "private" |
| 17:44.36 | zenzelezz | or a scope specifier |
| 17:45.59 | Iriel | jootikala: Itâs a somewhat different beast, thereâs no exact analog to private |
| 17:47.38 | Iriel | jootikala: Under normal circumstances locals fall into one of two categories |
| 17:48.21 | Iriel | jootikala: If theyâre just used within a single function (declared in the function,a dn the function doesnât declare any other functions) then in the bytecode the locals are simply register allocations, they have no actual âidentityâ beyond that. |
| 17:48.54 | zenzelezz | bytecode, where everyone new to lua likes to begin |
| 17:49.39 | Iriel | jootikala: If a local is declared in an enclosing scope to a bunch of functions that reference it, then it becomes what is known as an âupvalueâ - each function that uses it gets an (unnamed) reference to the local, so they can share itâs value, but again it doesnât have an actual âidentityâ beyond that. |
| 17:50.19 | jootikala | is there any drawbacks in a somewhat short code if i dont declare things as local and name things differently? |
| 17:50.44 | Simca | pollution of the global namespace |
| 17:50.46 | Iriel | Since local things dont get a formal identity, it means you CAN use it in a similar way to private, but thereâs no additional visibility mechanism to protect things if someone gets their hands on the value. |
| 17:51.36 | Simca | if blizzard uses a variable called bankedMastery and you didn't declare it locally, then you will have modified blizzard code and tainted that execution path |
| 17:51.36 | Iriel | The most significant issue, as Simca says, is that you litter the global namespace with stuff, which is why a lot of authors create a single global table (usually named after their AddOn), and put things in that instead. |
| 17:52.28 | Iriel | If youâre doing a single-file addon, itâs as easy as putting this at the top⦠|
| 17:52.41 | Iriel | BankedMastery = {}; |
| 17:52.55 | nevcairiel | With a multi-file addon, the game gives you a table to shove stuff in! |
| 17:52.55 | Iriel | and then declaring all functions as BankedMaster.something = function() â¦.. end |
| 17:53.55 | Iriel | There /is/ also a performance difference between access to a local variable and a global (or any kind of compound container) variable BUT |
| 17:54.08 | Simca | does java not have global variables or something? |
| 17:54.09 | Iriel | most of the time itâs not significant enough to notice |
| 17:54.13 | Iriel | Simca: it does not |
| 17:54.18 | Simca | weeeeeeeeeeird |
| 17:54.50 | Simca | I guess that's one way to do OO - make it the only way |
| 17:54.52 | Iriel | Most of the time thereâs effectively a single classloader, so any particular class name exists in a global context |
| 17:55.06 | Iriel | But the âglobal equivalentâ is a static method or field on a class. |
| 17:55.25 | jootikala | this is a lot to digest |
| 17:55.34 | Iriel | Java was designed explicitly to handle lots of independent modules that dont crap all over each other. |
| 17:55.49 | Iriel | jootikala:Itâs much simpler than it sounds 8-) |
| 17:56.21 | Simca | the simple TL;DR for your style of coding is just to pretend that "local " is required to precede variable declarations inside functions |
| 17:56.25 | Simca | tbh |
| 17:56.27 | Iriel | jootikala: It boils down to; Put your addon functions into an addon table when you can, make variables inside functions explicitly local 8-) |
| 17:58.14 | jootikala | my style of coding is based on a java 101 class that I attended 2 years ago |
| 17:58.38 | jootikala | so in a multi file addon I don't need to call for the other file if it isn't local? |
| 17:58.56 | Iriel | That shouldnât be a problem - java encourages a fair number of good habits somewhat naturally. |
| 17:59.15 | Simca | in a multi-file addon, you'll want to use the table provided by wow to store your functions probably |
| 18:01.33 | Iriel | http://pastebin.com/EydZepmq |
| 18:02.56 | Iriel | In that example you can actually put the two files in either order â load order only becomes important when you want to do initialization logic |
| 18:03.09 | Semlar | /runs neffi.greet() |
| 18:05.30 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.29 | Iriel | foxlit: you should make alt clicking on that tab pop up a dialog saying âPlease alt click on a different tab, thank youâ |
| 18:06.39 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.09 | Iriel | I think the author of that misunderstands âredundant' |
| 18:07.58 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 18:08.21 | jootikala | so i should just declare everything as local by default if that is possible. i guess declaring something local doesn't restrict it from using something outside the .toc file? like from another addon. |
| 18:08.24 | foxlit | it does not appear to be working, Semlar. Please try harder. |
| 18:08.39 | Iriel | foxlit: Master plan is the only addon iâm willing to manually install. |
| 18:08.45 | Semlar | I'M GIVIN' HER ALL SHE GOT CAPTAIN |
| 18:09.08 | Iriel | jootikala: More or less, yes. Local doesnât restrict what it can do, just where itâs visible from. |
| 18:09.16 | nevcairiel | foxlit: so he is complaining that a inactive follower doesnt show up in the list of followers he wants to switch to inactive? What an outrage! |
| 18:11.07 | foxlit | nevcairiel: more or less. The real problem there is that there's no feedback that an alt-click worked unless it wants to activate some follower. |
| 18:11.40 | nevcairiel | I guess |
| 18:12.16 | foxlit | which, in long-tail comments appears as "I've discovered this new exciting bug! Fix it please!" |
| 18:16.39 | Iriel | It does sound like there may be a slight usability concern. |
| 18:19.47 | Iriel | Does it annoy anyone else that some work order tabs give cooldown as time until the NEXT job finishes, and some as time until ALL jobs finish? |
| 18:20.40 | Simca | yes |
| 18:20.52 | foxlit | I just ignore it outright. |
| 18:20.57 | nevcairiel | i've seen that happen, but it never annoyed me, i just look at the page on the minimap button if i really want to know when the next is done |
| 18:21.08 | foxlit | it's some random number that appears wrong half the time and is irrelevant all of the time. |
| 18:21.49 | Iriel | foxlit: Thatâs probably the best approach - maybe I should make an ddon to hide it |
| 18:22.20 | pompy | [01:21:40 PM] You have attempted too many group actions in a short period of time. Please wait momentarily before attempting further group actions. |
| 18:22.37 | Simca | i get that all the time |
| 18:22.57 | Simca | (I bind F1-F8 to icons and faceroll my keyboard while targeting random party members when bored) |
| 18:23.07 | Simca | (they're usually not as amused as I am) |
| 18:23.27 | pompy | lol, i was just spamming the ping on the mminimap while waiting for my friend to get in |
| 18:23.41 | Simca | hah, i didn't know you could do it with pings |
| 18:25.02 | Semlar | i didn't know you could do it with raid icons, since i have them bound to the numpad and occasionally hit all of them |
| 18:25.39 | nevcairiel | need to really spam them, and not just hit them all at once |
| 18:25.51 | Simca | yeah, you have to do it pretty hard |
| 18:26.00 | Simca | like 50 of them in 10 seconds |
| 18:26.23 | Simca | (the window is probably longer, like a minute, but I never get that far) |
| 18:27.32 | Semlar | alright so someone took my GnomeSequencer addon and created a GnomeSequencer Modified version of it and now they've uploaded one called TaurenSequencer |
| 18:28.28 | Semlar | i wouldn't really care, except i've gotten messages from people who are confused and think it's my addon |
| 18:30.15 | jootikala | if i want to track multiple events and I want a specific event to trigger specific functions do i need to make different fames for the events or can I specify in SetScript("OnEvent" which event I want |
| 18:30.35 | jootikala | different frames* |
| 18:30.38 | Semlar | you can register multiple events to the same frame |
| 18:31.12 | Semlar | the OnEvent script gives the name of the event that fires as the first argument |
| 18:31.40 | jootikala | but if i want onevent unit aura do this and onevent mastery update do that |
| 18:32.02 | Semlar | then you make an if statement checking what event fired |
| 18:32.31 | jootikala | so i need to filter the data I want from all events? |
| 18:34.55 | Semlar | filter the data? |
| 18:36.04 | jootikala | if i want to run a function only when my mastery changes and im tracking 3 different events |
| 18:37.09 | jootikala | there's no way of stating that in SeScript? |
| 18:37.33 | Semlar | you give SetScript one function to run when any event fires |
| 18:37.46 | Semlar | inside of that function you check which event fired and handle it |
| 18:38.08 | jootikala | alright. thanks |
| 18:38.20 | Semlar | most people make an event handler in a way that dispatches separate functions for each event |
| 18:38.42 | Semlar | mostly because it's easier to manage |
| 18:40.54 | jootikala | okay. event handler is what i was looking for. thank you |
| 18:42.11 | Semlar | here's an example http://pastebin.com/mN4pfHTX |
| 18:46.16 | Semlar | whenever an event fires that it's registered for, it checks whether there's a function with the same name in the table and calls it |
| 18:46.55 | Semlar | so you can just have a separate function for each event |
| 18:49.44 | jootikala | that's a little confusing. would this work http://pastebin.com/jcdMb6WD ? i dont know why it wants 3 ends |
| 18:50.47 | Semlar | that should only have 2 ends, one for the if statement and one for the function, and a ) after the second end to close SetScript |
| 18:50.57 | Semlar | but yes that would work |
| 18:52.12 | Semlar | eg. if event == 'MASTERY_UPDATE' then print('mastery stuff') elseif event == 'SOMETHING_ELSE' then print('other stuff') end |
| 18:56.06 | Semlar | jootikala: http://pastebin.com/YPnESu3B |
| 18:56.57 | Semlar | if you do it this way and you want the arguments passed to the event you'll have to define them within the if blocks for that particular event |
| 18:57.08 | jootikala | can a third else be elseif or just else |
| 18:57.40 | Semlar | well, it should really be elseif on the off-chance that you register an event that isn't handled before that point |
| 18:58.12 | Semlar | a generic "else" would execute whatever is in there any time it isn't handled prior to that point |
| 18:59.36 | Semlar | i mean, if that's what you want that's fine but just make sure you don't have extra events registered and wonder why that else statement is being called more often |
| 19:02.53 | Semlar | if you're asking if you can have multiple elseif statements, you can have as many as you want, i may have misunderstood what you were asking |
| 19:03.41 | jootikala | that's what i was asking. I was just wodering if there is some rule that if there is more of them the last one needs to be an else or something like that |
| 19:06.54 | znf | Anyone knows if EU was restarted for the Blackhand fixes? |
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| 19:09.31 | Iriel | jootikala: the only rule is that ONLY the last one could be an else, but you dont have to include an elese if you dont need one. |
| 19:11.32 | MiRai | Is there an easy way to hide the default TargetFrame and keep it hidden until at least a /reload? |
| 19:11.51 | MiRai | /run TargetFrame:Hide() hides it, but then it comes back after you target something else |
| 19:12.15 | jootikala | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.56 | MiRai | mmm that is ingenious |
| 19:12.59 | MiRai | thanks ;) |
| 19:13.04 | jootikala | np |
| 19:14.04 | Iriel | note that itâs still interactable |
| 19:14.13 | Iriel | which may be undesirable |
| 19:14.21 | MiRai | yeah, it's no problem |
| 19:14.36 | Iriel | You can re-parent it to a frame of your own and hide THAT frame |
| 19:15.33 | MiRai | It's all good, I just needed a quick and dirty solution :) |
| 19:16.08 | Semlar | what do you have against the target frame |
| 19:16.56 | MiRai | It's large and obtrusive to what I'm doing ;) |
| 19:17.02 | jootikala | is it normal to have an endless tree of conditional statements, because i think that is what my code is going to be at the end |
| 19:17.26 | Semlar | well i offered a more compact solution earlier |
| 19:18.14 | jootikala | yeah, but the endless amount of selfs confused me |
| 19:18.27 | Semlar | just ignore the event handler |
| 19:19.24 | Semlar | all it does is call a function with the same name as the event that fires |
| 19:19.59 | Semlar | all you have to is create the function after that point |
| 19:21.17 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/VbjKeYFR you can make that part smaller if it helps |
| 19:23.23 | Semlar | self just refers to the frame |
| 19:23.30 | Semlar | which is a table |
| 19:23.51 | Semlar | and the functions it's calling are keys in that table |
| 19:24.35 | Semlar | like frame["MASTERY_UPDATE"] = function() end |
| 19:25.25 | jootikala | and that setscript can handle all events without changing it? |
| 19:25.30 | Semlar | yep |
| 19:25.46 | Semlar | just add that script and don't really worry about how it works |
| 19:26.01 | Semlar | it'll make more sense when you learn more lua |
| 19:26.54 | Semlar | just don't overwrite it with another SetScript |
| 19:27.40 | jootikala | there can be only one setscript for each frame? |
| 19:28.19 | Semlar | there can only be one OnEvent script handler defined through SetScript for that frame |
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| 19:28.53 | Semlar | calling frame:SetScript('OnEvent', etc) a second time will overwrite the previous script handler |
| 19:29.10 | jootikala | and that's because of the way it's built? |
| 19:29.20 | jootikala | okay |
| 19:31.14 | Semlar | you can call frame:SetScript('OnEvent', nil) to make it stop responding to that script |
| 19:31.51 | fewyn | huh i wonder why i can't get tomtom to put a waypoint in krasarang wilds |
| 19:45.05 | foxlit | wrong wilds? |
| 19:45.11 | zenzelezz | http://satwcomic.com/so-close-yet-so-far |
| 19:46.03 | foxlit | they're terrain-phased for 5.1(?) factions, maybe you hit the wrong map. |
| 19:46.24 | fewyn | seems it has two different map ids |
| 19:46.26 | fewyn | according to google |
| 19:46.32 | fewyn | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tomtom/tickets/211-arrow-not-shown-in-krasarang-wilds/ |
| 19:47.23 | nevcairiel | phasing can be slightly annoying like that |
| 19:47.51 | Thunder_Child | kd3: I thought you had that stuff scripted so you would not have to remember. |
| 19:48.04 | jootikala | is there some default colours for green, yellow and red in the API or do i need to put in the RGB codes |
| 19:49.41 | Semlar | are there official green yellow and reds? |
| 19:50.06 | Semlar | it might help to know what you're using them for |
| 19:51.04 | Semlar | if you want them to match another aspect of the interface, then it's probably defined somewhere |
| 19:51.14 | jootikala | i was thinking like the background colour of npcs names in the target frame. if they are already named like class colours are in the api. |
| 19:51.51 | Seerah | so the difficulty colors is what you're looking for? |
| 19:51.57 | jootikala | yes |
| 19:52.26 | foxlit | conceptually, that is a lousy approach |
| 19:52.47 | Seerah | GetQuestDifficultyColor(level) |
| 19:53.06 | foxlit | you'd be essentially relying on observed behaviour of things that are probabaly semantically different from what you'd like to achieve. |
| 19:53.08 | Semlar | they also color it based on reaction |
| 19:54.12 | jootikala | oh, no I meant the neutral, friendly and offensive( or whatever it's called) |
| 19:54.13 | Seerah | True. Just depends on what you're using the colors for. |
| 19:54.16 | foxlit | short version: if you want things to be a particular shade of yellow, provide your own RGB values. If you want things to be the colour of an appropriatle-difficulty quest (whether that's yellow or octarine for the current locale), reference that colour. |
| 19:54.28 | Seerah | That's reaction colors. |
| 19:54.33 | jootikala | my bad |
| 19:54.39 | Semlar | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/TargetFrame.lua#L319 you can see how they do it here |
| 19:55.09 | Semlar | and above that in TargetFrame_CheckLevel |
| 19:56.10 | Semlar | nameBackground is the background texture |
| 20:01.14 | jootikala | so there's no SetBackdropColor(reactionred) type of thing. i have to know the color codes? |
| 20:05.42 | Semlar | they call SetVertexColor on the background texture, first they check if it's tapped and grey it out, then they set it to the results from UnitSelectionColor |
| 20:05.53 | Semlar | if it's not tapped |
| 20:06.35 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitSelectionColor |
| 20:06.56 | jootikala | thanks, but i figured out what i wanted |
| 20:07.54 | jootikala | i was just thinking if there was a way to pull out the colors used in those cases like you can pull out a class colour and use something like a warlock class colour without knowing the color codes for it |
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| 21:04.01 | circ-user-Kb71O | afternoon folks |
| 21:12.17 | fewyn | best part of the game is the tram in ulduar |
| 21:15.55 | zenzelezz | that awesome feeling when you're driving around in a tank destroyer, able to punch through any armor the opposition has got... you spot an artillery, essentially paper armor, fire... and your shot hits the only solid item on the vehicle, its gun, and bounces off, doing no more damage than reducing its accuracy |
| 21:19.44 | jootikala | http://pastebin.com/md77fcBH im getting attempt to compare nil with number when i run this. |
| 21:20.30 | kd3 | are you sure bankedMastery is set before you compare it? |
| 21:24.19 | jootikala | i guess putting bankedMastery = GetMasteryEffect() at the start wont mess up the value later |
| 21:25.27 | Simca | correct |
| 21:28.12 | fewyn | so how are you supposed to deal with contrictor tentacles on solo yogg? |
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| 21:29.41 | kd3 | PBAoEs |
| 21:30.17 | nevcairiel | sucks if you dont have any |
| 21:30.23 | nevcairiel | as a druid, i pop starfall |
| 21:30.23 | fewyn | every time i've attempted to solo it a constrictor spawns on me |
| 21:30.35 | nevcairiel | yes, it just will do that |
| 21:30.42 | nevcairiel | you need some kind of aoe that frees you |
| 21:31.04 | fewyn | i love you nevcairiel |
| 21:31.42 | nevcairiel | speaking of, did i do it this week already |
| 21:31.58 | nevcairiel | apparently not! |
| 21:31.59 | nevcairiel | goes |
| 21:33.13 | fewyn | accidently fat fingered vanish |
| 21:33.14 | fewyn | but thanks |
| 21:33.18 | fewyn | i just fok it |
| 21:33.25 | fewyn | :thumbsup: |
| 21:35.46 | Simca | oddly enough you don't even need aoe |
| 21:36.03 | nevcairiel | as a druid i didnt really find another way to get out |
| 21:36.09 | nevcairiel | maybe if you have a teleport or something, i dunno |
| 21:36.17 | Simca | you need a spell that doesn't have a facing requirement |
| 21:36.26 | Simca | Judgement for paladins hits it |
| 21:36.30 | Simca | for whatever reason |
| 21:37.12 | Simca | Judgement has historically been a really weirdly coded spell though |
| 21:38.50 | fewyn | [16:38:19] [Fewyn] has earned the achievement [Alone in the Darkness (25 player)]! |
| 21:39.02 | fewyn | no mount but i know how to do it now :D |
| 21:39.52 | foxlit | did it, still have no idea what I did. |
| 21:40.19 | foxlit | sanity losses in phase 2/3 seem arbitrarily random. |
| 21:40.31 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 21:40.38 | fewyn | it's when you look at the things |
| 21:40.40 | fewyn | or he does gaze |
| 21:40.49 | fewyn | but if you kill things fast enough it does not really matter |
| 21:40.54 | nevcairiel | i only lose in the brain room when i dont pay enough attenion, or the gaze |
| 21:41.10 | nevcairiel | usually he just d ies too quickly to matter |
| 21:41.14 | Fisker | Hi |
| 21:41.20 | nevcairiel | Fisker my friend |
| 21:41.34 | Fisker | nevcairiel friendo |
| 21:41.38 | Fisker | What's up |
| 21:41.43 | foxlit | the sara -> yogg transition resulted in me going from 100 to like 40 sanity without doing anything in particular. |
| 21:42.06 | nevcairiel | I once turned insane from 100 to 0 for no reason, it may bug out sometimes |
| 21:46.24 | zenzelezz | D&D... https://twitter.com/zenzio/status/564175104268320769 |
| 21:47.00 | zenzelezz | well, maybe not D&D... but something like thatg |
| 21:47.12 | Thunder_Child | Yea, someone has a mohawk. |
| 21:47.17 | fewyn | yesssss we control wintergrasp |
| 21:47.33 | fewyn | i'm on a mount farming kick this week |
| 21:48.25 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: It even says D&D. |
| 21:48.34 | zenzelezz | I'm not quite inebriated... |
| 21:48.41 | zenzelezz | but very tipsy |
| 21:49.02 | Thunder_Child | I wouldn't know anything about that. |
| 21:49.20 | zenzelezz | I'm pretending there's an excuse for why I missed that |
| 21:49.32 | Thunder_Child | But why is it on twitch? |
| 21:50.04 | zenzelezz | that I don't know |
| 21:53.00 | kd3 | huh, I was sure I'd written a solo strategy for yogg before... guess not |
| 21:57.59 | zenzelezz | man, I'm having the craziest night in World of Tanks... got reduced from 850 to 1 hitpoints in an unfortunate meeting. Then I bounce one shot, and another only takes out my track. I manage to somehow evade the enemies' shots almost all the way to the end of the battle... only to drive over a tiny bump a little too fast, getting myself killed from fall damage |
| 22:00.38 | jootikala | http://pastebin.com/KnPgkf7n I have a couple of issues and then I'm done with this. First one is the event handlers. Am I using them correctly? Second one is getting local background and local text to accept values from local frame |
| 22:04.21 | fewyn | bleh just noticed i'm not exalted with the tushui pandaren |
| 22:04.55 | Thunder_Child | Great zenzelezz, now I'm watching the trainwreck. |
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| 22:10.59 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: it is kind of awesome, yeah |
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