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| 01:22.34 | foxlit | wish wow used proper osx fullscreen mode |
| 01:23.27 | Shirik | I wish osx knew how window managers were supposed to work |
| 01:24.36 | foxlit | having a chrome-less window that takes over a desktop in a space is kind of meh. |
| 01:24.54 | foxlit | guess I can move it to its own space. |
| 01:34.22 | Jamash | What do you mean window managers? OSX isn't about managing windows, it's about managing your graphical desktop _experience_ |
| 01:41.42 | Jamash | welp, there's the undertaker nerf everyone expected |
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| 01:58.10 | kd3 | oh boo, they nerfed apexis daily raids |
| 01:59.50 | Simca | Piccolo of the Flaming Fire has been rebuilt into a Toybox item. Players can channel for 30 seconds to cause those around them to dance with a 5-minute cooldown. |
| 01:59.51 | Simca | fuck yes |
| 02:07.04 | Simca | wow new build and it's not even 4 am yet |
| 02:10.18 | [TOM_RUS] | because it's 5 am |
| 02:20.45 | pompy1 | what's the frame that pops up to show how many garrison resources you earned when you click the box outside your main garrison building? |
| 02:25.39 | Simca | Loot toast |
| 02:25.47 | Simca | triggers SHOW_LOOT_TOAST |
| 02:26.01 | Simca | only way to identify that specific instance is because the lootSource parameter is '10' |
| 02:26.06 | Simca | for that specific box only |
| 02:30.37 | kd3 | emails away |
| 02:35.56 | kd3 | hm, twitter auth appears to be working for some people |
| 02:37.25 | Ressy | I got it working.. |
| 02:37.28 | Ressy | gonna test it. :) |
| 02:37.58 | Ressy | lol |
| 02:38.08 | Ressy | "Couldn't load Blizzard_SocialUI: Disabled" |
| 02:38.50 | pompy1 | Simca: oh i thought it was EAB |
| 02:47.04 | znf | HA |
| 02:47.05 | znf | When your Chain Lightning or Lava Beam strikes 3 or more targets, the damage of your next Earthquake is increased by 300%. your next Earthquake is instant and its damage is increased by 300%. |
| 02:47.18 | znf | I actually got that on my ele shaman today, and it felt so underwhelming |
| 02:52.21 | [TOM_RUS] | hmm, they changed toc to "60100" in this build |
| 02:52.33 | Simca | took their sweet time |
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| 03:16.27 | kd3 | hm, the timeworn upgrade tokens are in. 2k for armor, 5k for weapon |
| 03:21.56 | [TOM_RUS] | GetCombatRatingBonusForCombatRatingValue that's quite long name |
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| 03:25.44 | Thunder_Child | kd3: For some reason gmail thinks your email is in Italian. |
| 03:26.08 | kd3 | ha |
| 03:33.16 | Simca | i always wonder why blizzard never spell checks |
| 03:33.24 | Simca | there's 3 typos in the hotfix notes |
| 03:33.34 | Arrowmaster | twitter auth? what did they do now? |
| 03:33.43 | Simca | took 5 seconds to fix them and ignore the unknowns with chrome's spell checking |
| 03:33.57 | kd3 | there's a twitter app in game now |
| 03:34.02 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 03:34.13 | Arrowmaster | why..... |
| 03:35.39 | Thunder_Child | Because in general people like social media. |
| 03:37.38 | Arrowmaster | what ever im going back to texting |
| 03:38.55 | Simca | lul |
| 03:39.47 | Arrowmaster | i know its strange for me |
| 03:42.23 | Arrowmaster | but i must be doing something right |
| 03:42.50 | Seerah | ping Torhal |
| 03:43.11 | Torhal | Seerah: You have pongage. |
| 03:43.21 | Seerah | that... sounds weird... |
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| 03:43.36 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:43.38 | Seerah | how do I report an addon on Curse? Just pester somebody? ;) |
| 03:44.01 | Torhal | Seerah: It's awesome. And when I say "awesome" I mean "I have absolutely no idea what ckk was thinking" |
| 03:44.10 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 03:44.19 | Torhal | Scroll down to the bottom of the page. There's a TINY LITTLE icon in the right corner. |
| 03:44.22 | Seerah | sometimes, no one does ;) |
| 03:44.25 | Torhal | The project's page, that is. |
| 03:45.15 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: why havent you rewritten it yet |
| 03:45.36 | Seerah | I dun see it |
| 03:45.49 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: We have/are. |
| 03:45.55 | Torhal | Seerah: Link the page? |
| 03:46.02 | Seerah | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/kaliels-tracker/ |
| 03:46.22 | Torhal | Oh, my. |
| 03:46.30 | Seerah | I remember that used to be there on wowace |
| 03:46.42 | Seerah | but it's not there anymore either |
| 03:46.47 | Torhal | Yeah...that's...more awesome. |
| 03:46.50 | Seerah | maybe when Curse changed its skin/design? |
| 03:46.55 | Torhal | Ok, consider this your report. What's up? |
| 03:47.11 | Torhal | We haven't touched CurseForge in ages, so this is particularly interesting. |
| 03:47.23 | Seerah | a user pointed me to it. It's using Who Framed Watcher Wabbit as its base and is oh so obvious |
| 03:47.45 | Arrowmaster | someobody probably messed with the footer and now its gone |
| 03:47.59 | Seerah | He even tried to hide it a little bit by changing the order of a line here and there or changing a word (or abbreviating one) in the options, etc, etc. :( |
| 03:48.04 | Torhal | No, we've literally done nothing to CurseForge for at least two years. |
| 03:48.46 | pompy1 | <div class="report-button"> <a href="/addons/kaliels-tracker/report/" title="Report Project Kaliel's Tracker">Report</a> </div> |
| 03:48.50 | pompy1 | i see that in teh source lol |
| 03:49.03 | Seerah | WFWW, though, is ARR. I'll allow little snippets if someone needs it 'cause they don't know how and they ask permission and give credit. But this is a total rip (though he has added to it) without my knowledge. So... yeah. /sadpanda |
| 03:49.49 | Seerah | and he's probably getting paid from Curse for it ;) |
| 03:49.53 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.08 | Torhal | Seerah: Look at the page now. |
| 03:50.14 | Seerah | I see :) thanks |
| 03:50.32 | Torhal | :O |
| 03:50.38 | Torhal | He was :/ |
| 03:50.46 | Seerah | inorite?!? |
| 03:50.51 | Torhal | Not much, though. 2k downloads. |
| 03:51.26 | kd3 | the report icon is visible, but only while logged in and the bottom corner of the screen isn't showing the footer |
| 03:51.37 | kd3 | yay z-ordering screwups |
| 03:51.37 | pompy1 | You should have the right to remove his points ;) |
| 03:52.30 | Seerah | I've gotten about 3k downloads for WFWW since October, so about on par. |
| 03:53.24 | Seerah | anyway |
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| 03:55.53 | Arrowmaster | oh hey ive got points again |
| 03:57.30 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: You stopped getting points? |
| 03:57.43 | Arrowmaster | no but i spent them all i think |
| 03:57.49 | Arrowmaster | and now im getting more than i used to |
| 03:58.19 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:58.53 | Arrowmaster | did i ever tell you what became of the rest of that bottle of scotch from blizzcon? |
| 03:59.09 | Torhal | You said something about friends and/or a party I believe. |
| 03:59.32 | Arrowmaster | took it to a byob club one night and it didnt make it back out |
| 03:59.38 | Torhal | Aah |
| 04:00.23 | Arrowmaster | took a new bottle of 10yr two weeks ago and i had to put it away with about 2 fingers left in it so they wouldnt finish it on me |
| 04:00.45 | Torhal | Ouch ! |
| 04:01.19 | Arrowmaster | i know i only had two good size glasses of it |
| 04:01.31 | Arrowmaster | maybe 6 shots worth |
| 04:01.39 | fewyn | i sometimes wish all this would sell http://uplol.fewyn.net/2015-01-29_23-01-29.png |
| 04:02.19 | Torhal | Yikes |
| 04:02.34 | fewyn | glyphs and transmog |
| 04:02.40 | fewyn | https://theunderminejournal.com/#eonar/seller/rotwyn |
| 04:02.54 | fewyn | also old world enchanting mats because salvage yard |
| 04:03.22 | fewyn | i think i might cut back glyph restocks from 5 to 2 |
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| 04:34.10 | Stanzilla | Simca: is it in the files if a spell triggers GCD? |
| 04:35.08 | Simca | yes, there's a lot of data on that |
| 04:35.22 | Simca | including cooldown category and such for things that share cooldowns with each other |
| 04:35.42 | Stanzilla | time to suggest a feature for wowhead then |
| 04:36.59 | Neffi | Wowhead had that feature... |
| 04:37.26 | Neffi | "GCD1.5 seconds" see the table below the tooltip |
| 04:38.05 | Stanzilla | damn! |
| 04:38.09 | Stanzilla | I must be blind |
| 04:38.10 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 04:38.21 | Neffi | I don't think they have shared CD info though |
| 04:38.28 | Neffi | something I'd love to see |
| 04:38.42 | Neffi | but GCD info has been there for as long as I can remember |
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| 05:09.17 | Arrowmaster | this is new, somebody wanted me to call them instead of texting |
| 05:14.01 | Iriel | Proposal? Breakup? Hiring? Firing? |
| 05:14.10 | Iriel | Those are the only reasons I could think of 8-) |
| 05:14.34 | Arrowmaster | just chatting with a girl |
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| 05:20.16 | Neffi | maybe she thinks your voice is totally sexy |
| 05:20.29 | Arrowmaster | duh because it is |
| 05:20.40 | Neffi | well I wasn't arguing! |
| 05:25.41 | Seerah | Neffi thinks it's totally sexy ;) |
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| 05:26.48 | Neffi | well, I mean, it is |
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| 05:37.28 | Arrowmaster | damn 56minutes on the phone |
| 05:57.38 | Trela | Torhal: Internet going poof? |
| 05:58.31 | Ressy | Torhal went to bed 1 1/2 hrs ago. |
| 05:58.36 | Ressy | But Kaelten's internet went poof. |
| 05:59.42 | Trela | Yeah. |
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| 06:53.31 | jleclanche | Players in a raid group will once again no longer be eligible for quest credit, except for specially-designated Raid quests. |
| 06:53.31 | jleclanche | sigh |
| 06:54.18 | jleclanche | just because their shitty dailies are getting raid-completed, let's bring back shitty legacy behaviour that we finally had gotten rid of |
| 06:54.33 | jleclanche | you're having fun wrong! do it with less people! |
| 06:55.14 | nebula169 | i mean back in mop when it first came up, gc said something along the lines that they don't want people to get into the zone, ask for a inv to the daily raid then run around doing nothing/being afk/etc getting completion credit |
| 06:55.37 | nebula169 | well, shouldn't say when it first came up, when they actually acknowledged it |
| 06:56.06 | jleclanche | flagging specific quests as not completable in a raid solves that |
| 06:56.46 | nebula169 | i mean, that would pretty much be all the campaign and apexis crystal quests |
| 06:56.50 | nebula169 | so same effect? |
| 06:57.20 | jleclanche | sure, but then you can actually do shit while waiting for your guild's raid to start for example |
| 06:58.04 | jleclanche | "oh you just spent 10 mins doing a quest with a shitty droprate? and just now you realize that you're in a raid, goody!" |
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| 07:03.19 | karl_w_w | where are steam screenshots saved? |
| 07:04.19 | Mini_Dragon | game folder |
| 07:08.01 | karl_w_w | wow they're saved in shitty jpeg quality |
| 07:09.54 | Mini_Dragon | use the clipboard. print screen one, paste one |
| 07:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | there's a setting karl_w_w |
| 07:10.23 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 07:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | "save an uncompressed copy" |
| 07:11.11 | karl_w_w | it didnt work |
| 07:11.17 | karl_w_w | maybe u have to relaunch the game |
| 07:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | you have to set a folder too |
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| 11:20.26 | Simca | hmmm, kd3 |
| 11:20.40 | Simca | I did a complete sweep of mulgore, no hint of an object for mulgore plains track |
| 11:21.18 | Simca | actually there is that shelf with the bunnies with weapons left i guess |
| 12:10.39 | jleclanche | Simca: whats that? |
| 12:11.20 | Simca | random cliff in mulgore with bunnies holding axes |
| 12:11.56 | nevcairiel | meh they changed the new alchemy trinkets to versatility |
| 12:12.06 | nevcairiel | on the plus side, they got the 40% potion bonus instead |
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| 13:32.58 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:41.13 | karl_w_w | Prison Architect Will Launch in 2015 |
| 13:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, fabulous heroes. |
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| 14:08.39 | Constie | Neat. I played Prison Architect for a bit and it seems fun, but I can't deal with alpha/beta versions. What if I play it to death and then it gets even better with the full release and I then can't enjoy that? |
| 14:10.45 | nevcairiel | what do you care if you had hours and hours of fun |
| 14:11.24 | Constie | My fun will have been suboptimal. |
| 14:12.10 | nevcairiel | thats like saying "This game is fun and all, but i dont want to play it as there might be a game thats more fun" |
| 14:13.11 | nevcairiel | if you're having fun, then all is good :p |
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| 15:23.59 | Ackis | bah I hate relative URL's - I never know wth to do |
| 15:25.05 | Fisker | Think relatively? |
| 15:25.38 | Ackis | the files on my disk are: /var/www/site1/ /var/www/site1/js/ /var/www/site1/css/ whereas online it's foo.net/js/ and foo.net/css/ - what's the best way for me to reference them in the html file to work locally and online? |
| 15:26.25 | mikma | <script src="js/file.js"> |
| 15:27.17 | Ackis | okay - why not /js/file.js or ../js/file.js ? |
| 15:27.52 | mikma | because / leads to root of the server which is not accessible to apache/something |
| 15:28.07 | Fisker | And .. Is up one dir |
| 15:28.26 | mikma | and that means /var/www which is also not accessible |
| 15:28.47 | Ackis | bleh - okay I think I get it |
| 15:29.18 | mikma | funny timing tho, ackis... i'm currently reading and learning javascript manual |
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| 16:18.48 | karl_w_w | no nevcairiel |
| 16:19.13 | karl_w_w | because there are other games that can be played which are already in their most fun state |
| 16:19.37 | karl_w_w | why approach the point of burnout on a game which isn't yet at its most fun? |
| 16:20.03 | nevcairiel | you will however never know when this state was reached |
| 16:20.15 | nevcairiel | maybe its more fun during the beta instead of at release because they decide to change something? |
| 16:20.22 | nevcairiel | or maybe there is a future patch that makes it even more fun? |
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| 16:22.36 | karl_w_w | this is true, but using that as a reason to play the game when they themselves say it's not at its most fun yet seems foolhardy |
| 16:23.34 | nevcairiel | He didnt say it was because they said that, he generalized |
| 16:24.13 | karl_w_w | no he didn't, he specifically mentioned that it hasn't been fully released yet |
| 16:24.21 | karl_w_w | that's not a generalization |
| 16:25.04 | nevcairiel | Did we read the same sentence? Sounded like a general comment about alpha/beta to me |
| 16:26.46 | karl_w_w | isn't that the same thing? |
| 16:27.13 | karl_w_w | if a game isn't released yet, that's a pretty good reason to suppose it's not at its most fun yet |
| 16:27.42 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, plenty games get less fun as their complexity through new features increases |
| 16:27.58 | karl_w_w | but most don't |
| 16:28.24 | karl_w_w | at least, comparing release to beta |
| 16:29.08 | karl_w_w | if you are right to wait and the game gets better then great, you won your bet |
| 16:29.35 | karl_w_w | if you're wrong and the game gets worse, then who cares, you don't play it, there are a million and one other released games to play |
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| 18:14.19 | karl_w_w | Nintendo want to tax people who make free advertising for them. http://www.techspot.com/news/59574-nintendo-launches-revenue-sharing-affiliate-program-youtube-users.html |
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| 18:15.11 | Fisker | That's typical of people who lose their main revenue stream due to repeated failure in their market karl_w_w |
| 18:15.23 | Fisker | You know kind of like record labels and what not |
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| 19:13.02 | fewyn | except nintendo isn't really failing |
| 19:13.23 | fewyn | they just have old people running the company |
| 19:13.32 | fewyn | who don't like change |
| 19:13.36 | fewyn | unless it's forced on them |
| 19:14.26 | Arrowmaster | all the old japanese game companies are like that |
| 19:19.19 | Ackis | anyone able to recommend a WYSIWYG html editor? |
| 19:21.12 | mikma | for which os |
| 19:21.21 | Ackis | Windows |
| 19:21.38 | mikma | i used kompoZer |
| 19:22.25 | Ackis | thanks - it's at least a place to start/try out |
| 19:22.49 | fewyn | http://massively.joystiq.com/2015/01/30/massively-that-was/ |
| 19:22.50 | fewyn | rip |
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| 20:22.26 | Neffi | what even the hell? |
| 20:22.37 | Neffi | my doctor's office only operates like 6 days per month, for 3 hours each day |
| 20:28.00 | Gnarfoz | pick a different doctor? |
| 20:28.16 | Neffi | yeah I'm doing that now |
| 20:28.38 | Neffi | unfortunatley if I want my visit paid for, it's probably gonna take 2 weeks before I can visit |
| 20:28.42 | Neffi | so I'll be recovered by then |
| 20:28.59 | Shirik | so what's the point of going to a doctor? |
| 20:29.16 | Neffi | so I don't spend the next 1.5 weeks feeling like shit, I guess |
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| 20:34.02 | Gnarfoz | why the 2 week wait? |
| 20:34.46 | Neffi | Just an estimate. The time it takes for me to notify the insurance company I want a new primary care, them update their files, me scheduling an appt, and actually getting in |
| 20:35.04 | Neffi | If I just go to a different doctor, chances are they'll refuse the charges |
| 20:35.11 | fewyn | urgent care? |
| 20:35.36 | Neffi | I wouldn't consider sickness urgent. I guess if it gets bad, the emergency room is an option. Not gonna go there unless I need to. |
| 20:35.53 | Neffi | Emergency rooms here are a guaranteed 6+ hour wait to even see a doctor, plus another few hours before you get released |
| 20:35.55 | fewyn | urgent care != emergency room |
| 20:36.05 | fewyn | they are like walk in clinics? |
| 20:36.15 | Neffi | I don't know if we even have those here, fewyn |
| 20:36.18 | fewyn | not sure where you live tho |
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| 20:36.26 | fewyn | almost everywhere i've lived had them |
| 20:36.27 | Neffi | We treat emergency rooms like walk in clinics |
| 20:36.39 | Gnarfoz | you... need to notify your insurance company before going to a different doctor's office than your usual? :\ |
| 20:36.49 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: US healthcare |
| 20:36.56 | Shirik | Neffi: are you in the US? |
| 20:36.57 | nevcairiel | they also charge 10k USD for an ambulance ride |
| 20:36.58 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: The insurance company will literally refuse any charge they legally can |
| 20:37.09 | Gnarfoz | and some they legally can't, probably |
| 20:37.11 | Neffi | They refused a charge of $0 the other day because they could |
| 20:37.23 | Neffi | I got a bill for $0 and a notice that I wasn't covered for it |
| 20:37.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:37.41 | Neffi | nevcairiel: actually it's around 1k, ;) |
| 20:37.55 | nevcairiel | they charged me 10k in any case! |
| 20:38.02 | Neffi | oh shit |
| 20:38.08 | Neffi | they charged my aunt $1000 recently |
| 20:38.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I'm aware, that was just my way of voicing my befuddlement while trying not to sound too "derp US" ;) |
| 20:38.18 | Neffi | but prices swing wildly based on where you live |
| 20:38.22 | nevcairiel | but my insurance didnt ask any questions and just paid, including the flight back in first class |
| 20:38.31 | Neffi | Oh no, it's definitely "derp US". Our healthcare fucking sucks. |
| 20:38.58 | Neffi | <Gnarfoz> and some they legally can't, probably <- actually, that too. they just won't put up a fight if you contest it. |
| 20:39.17 | nevcairiel | also, the blood thining stuff they gave me costs like $800, while the bottle of pain killers was $30 |
| 20:39.18 | Gnarfoz | it's easy to point fingers, but I genuinely can't figure out how some of the weirder (from our perspective) systems in the US have survived for so long; chief among them, health care |
| 20:39.19 | Shirik | Neffi: no I'm asking if it's US because urgent care facilities are all over the place in the US |
| 20:39.36 | Neffi | yes. I'm in NYC |
| 20:39.42 | Neffi | Staten Island, specifically |
| 20:39.46 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: It's illegal to pronounce Arkansas incorrectly in Arkansas |
| 20:39.49 | Shirik | welcome to the US |
| 20:39.57 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:40.07 | Gnarfoz | poor Frank Underwood, can't play God of War because no internet! |
| 20:40.11 | Neffi | <nevcairiel> but my insurance didnt ask any questions and just paid, including the flight back in first class <- wow that's crazy |
| 20:40.24 | nevcairiel | no, thats good healthcare |
| 20:40.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: did you have some kind of Auslandsschutz-thing |
| 20:40.47 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 20:40.48 | Neffi | I don't know that I know how to judge anymore |
| 20:40.51 | Gnarfoz | (whatever that would be translated to) |
| 20:41.08 | nevcairiel | our normal healthcare doesnt cover the US otherwise |
| 20:41.20 | Gnarfoz | so, just to point that out, that wasn't his regular health care (at least not only) |
| 20:41.32 | nevcairiel | the extra cost â¬8 a year |
| 20:41.33 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:41.35 | Neffi | translate gave me "international protection" |
| 20:41.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah, was just going to add that it's still cheap |
| 20:42.05 | nevcairiel | seriously travel insurance is the cheapest thing |
| 20:42.10 | Shirik | nevcairiel: s/good/expensive/ |
| 20:42.38 | Gnarfoz | not really, unless I'm mistaken, that's private insurance |
| 20:42.49 | Gnarfoz | (depends on what nev used) |
| 20:43.04 | Gnarfoz | ADAC, nevcairiel? |
| 20:43.25 | Gnarfoz | or something your regular h/c offers |
| 20:44.28 | Neffi | <Gnarfoz> it's easy to point fingers, but I genuinely can't figure out how some of the weirder (from our perspective) systems in the US have survived for so long; chief among them, health care <- congressmen being sponsored by the people making money off this shit, is my best guess |
| 20:44.46 | Neffi | and a strong presence over news media |
| 20:45.03 | Gnarfoz | currently watching House of Cards (just finished s02e01), I'm very open to that explanation ^^ |
| 20:45.21 | Neffi | Since I stopped watching our news altogether, it's kinda fucking creepy to hear people who DO watch it talk. I really think what they do could and should be classified as brainwash. |
| 20:45.47 | Gnarfoz | pfff, even ADAC's most expensive one is like 28⬠for a year :D |
| 20:46.00 | Neffi | they've become really fucking excellent at it. it's scary tbh. it's a huge corruption of freedom of speech. |
| 20:46.28 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: a private thing that cooperates with my normal one |
| 20:46.41 | Gnarfoz | I see, I guess that's why it was a bit cheaper than I expected |
| 20:46.51 | Gnarfoz | is your regular one also private? |
| 20:46.55 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:47.04 | nevcairiel | but i plan on switching soonish |
| 20:47.07 | Gnarfoz | I figured |
| 20:47.25 | Gnarfoz | that reminds me, taxes for 2014! :D perhaps that works now |
| 20:49.50 | nevcairiel | i should get on that as well sometime |
| 20:51.52 | Gnarfoz | meh, they pushed the software update to enable the data download |
| 20:51.56 | Gnarfoz | but there's no data, yet |
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| 20:58.46 | Kalroth | Fisker: https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/560511204951855104 pwned |
| 20:59.48 | Fisker | except it's 3GB Kalroth |
| 20:59.56 | Fisker | and 3GB is less than 3.5GB |
| 21:00.42 | Kalroth | with the what now? it's even lower? |
| 21:04.30 | Gnarfoz | what is 3GB? |
| 21:10.29 | Fisker | the equivalent radeon card |
| 21:11.37 | Gnarfoz | doesn't matter, the one in the ad is 4 GB |
| 21:13.22 | Gnarfoz | also, a quick look at rankings suggests that 290X is equivalent in performance to GTX 970, and that's clearly one of the 4 GB ones ;) |
| 21:15.57 | Simca | unless you're running multiple 4k monitors you aren't going to need 4 GB of VRAM anyway |
| 21:16.10 | Simca | and in that case you'd probably be using SLI anyway and it'd be irrelevant |
| 21:16.26 | Gnarfoz | wow uses 3GB VRAM in 1920x1200 on one monitor, so I can't really agree on that :D |
| 21:16.27 | Thunder_Child | You can use more thasn 2 monitors in SLI |
| 21:16.33 | Thunder_Child | than* |
| 21:16.37 | Thunder_Child | can't* |
| 21:16.42 | Thunder_Child | I should stop typing now. |
| 21:17.21 | Simca | that sounds pretty unlikely Gnarfoz |
| 21:17.51 | Gnarfoz | well, it was the PTR, but still. ;p |
| 21:17.53 | Fisker | it does matter Gnarfoz |
| 21:17.57 | Mr_Rabies | this interface is nuts |
| 21:17.58 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/HOnsM4X.jpg |
| 21:18.04 | Mr_Rabies | i can't decide if i like it or not |
| 21:18.37 | Fisker | Because the argument is really that you're not getting 4GB of VRAM with nvidia's mid-highend offering, which you're not doing with AMD's either |
| 21:18.48 | Simca | resource usage is absurd on PTR atm, Gnarfoz |
| 21:18.53 | Simca | some combination of bugs most likely |
| 21:19.01 | Fisker | But of course it would be stupid if it was "3GB means 3GB" because that would be actually dumb |
| 21:19.06 | Fisker | so rather be dishonest |
| 21:19.11 | Mr_Rabies | also debug mode is regularly enabled on the ptr, no? |
| 21:19.15 | Mr_Rabies | which is gonna eat more resources |
| 21:19.31 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: uh... isn't AMD's not-the-highest-end but still high end offering the r290 |
| 21:19.41 | Gnarfoz | one model below the 290x, which is the highest? |
| 21:19.56 | Gnarfoz | (same for nvidia, 970 is one below 980?) |
| 21:23.10 | Simca | actually, looking at it, wow's VRAM requests are pretty nice. it only asks for like 2 MB more than it thinks it needs. |
| 21:23.21 | Fisker | Oh I thought the X was the dual-gpu card |
| 21:23.39 | Gnarfoz | that's the 295x2 or so |
| 21:25.38 | Fisker | Either way it's a shitty practice from a company that shouldn't be talking |
| 21:26.06 | Fisker | It's boring and probably best left to somebody else, doing it yourself is so tryhard |
| 21:27.27 | Neffi | <Thunder_Child> You can['t] use more [than] 2 monitors in SLI <- wait, really? |
| 21:27.43 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: With Nvidia, yes. |
| 21:27.43 | Neffi | are you sure about that? |
| 21:28.05 | Thunder_Child | Quite, I did the research. |
| 21:28.11 | Neffi | that's odd |
| 21:28.12 | Thunder_Child | Was rather unhappy. |
| 21:28.23 | Fisker | Two displays |
| 21:28.44 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.01 | Neffi | yeah but stretching displays over multiple monitors sucks |
| 21:29.03 | Neffi | bezel yo |
| 21:29.37 | Neffi | It's still better than the *nix situation |
| 21:29.38 | Simca | i'm surprised there's not a workaround for that |
| 21:29.49 | Neffi | IIRC you can't even use 2 monitors in SLI on Linux/BSD |
| 21:30.05 | Neffi | you either get multimonitor, or you get SLI |
| 21:30.23 | Stanzilla | linux is not for gaming so why would you need SLI :E |
| 21:30.58 | Neffi | harhar |
| 21:31.02 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 21:31.19 | Neffi | meh. I use Windows because it's kinda true |
| 21:32.21 | Fisker | I think it's kind of because they never supported more than 2 monitors for ages Simca |
| 21:32.32 | Fisker | Always only did double dvi + hdmi |
| 21:32.39 | Fisker | And HDMI was shared |
| 21:33.11 | Fisker | Dunno how AMD does it though |
| 21:33.37 | Gnarfoz | they've had 6 display support ever since eyefinity, no? |
| 21:33.48 | Simca | i think AMD handles multi monitor better |
| 21:34.07 | Kalroth | Fisker: umad |
| 21:34.48 | Fisker | Never mad Kalroth |
| 21:34.49 | Kalroth | and both SLI and CFX is shite, but mainly because it's a hack and the drivers has to be hacked every time a new game is released |
| 21:34.50 | Neffi | sure, AMD probably handles multi monitor well |
| 21:34.58 | Neffi | but NVidia probably handles everything else better |
| 21:35.20 | Kalroth | http://i7.minus.com/iUBDM38Xxtem9.jpg |
| 21:35.34 | Neffi | I don't get it |
| 21:35.57 | Kalroth | also it's more than just memory, nVidia lied about ROPs too |
| 21:36.04 | Fisker | You can get it, it's just not funny |
| 21:36.36 | Kalroth | and less L2 cache as well! |
| 21:36.40 | Neffi | "lied" |
| 21:36.42 | nevcairiel | thats all tied together |
| 21:36.51 | Neffi | aye |
| 21:36.59 | Neffi | also I literally just don't get it. wanna explain it? |
| 21:37.06 | Stanzilla | that's basicly what the remaining 500mb is, no? |
| 21:37.13 | Kalroth | yes Stanzilla |
| 21:37.13 | Stanzilla | some cache and some ram and some other stuff |
| 21:37.32 | Kalroth | they disable an eight of the card, more or less |
| 21:37.35 | Gnarfoz | it's about people being bored and getting into a hissy fit about something that doesn't matter |
| 21:37.44 | Neffi | yeah. the remaining 500 MB is sectioned off because a ROP/memcontroller is partially disabled. so they've got two memory controllers trying to be addressed by one cache+ROP |
| 21:37.52 | Kalroth | i'm guessing it's 980s that didn't pass the quality test |
| 21:37.56 | Neffi | which can't be done simultaneously. |
| 21:38.06 | Kalroth | so they disable some parts and ship 'em as 970s |
| 21:38.09 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: obviously, that's how it's worked for ages |
| 21:38.09 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: thats the usual concept for the lower gens |
| 21:38.11 | Stanzilla | I can understand the argument that if the cover says 4GB VRAM, I want 4GB VRAM, but that is totally the marketing department's fault |
| 21:38.14 | nevcairiel | everyone does it |
| 21:38.19 | Kalroth | just like R9 290X vs R9 290 |
| 21:38.21 | Neffi | Kalroth: that's precisely what it was. they did the design this way so they could salvage more yields from the full chip |
| 21:38.23 | Gnarfoz | it has 4GB VRAM |
| 21:38.26 | nevcairiel | GPUs, CPUs, etc, everyone uses a slightly broken chip |
| 21:38.54 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: was just an example number, I never bothered reading up on the whole thing |
| 21:38.56 | Kalroth | sure, so they just made the mistake to state that the 970 was identical to the 980 |
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| 21:39.00 | Neffi | this is a very good read on the whole thing http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/geforce-gtx-970-correcting-the-specs-exploring-memory-allocation |
| 21:39.01 | Kalroth | http://www.anandtech.com/show/8935/geforce-gtx-970-correcting-the-specs-exploring-memory-allocation |
| 21:39.06 | Kalroth | darn |
| 21:39.07 | Neffi | LATE |
| 21:39.09 | Neffi | HAH |
| 21:39.10 | Kalroth | old |
| 21:39.11 | Neffi | ') |
| 21:40.02 | Kalroth | regardless it was a screwup from nvidia and i love how the reaction from AMD is to lower the cost of their 290's |
| 21:40.12 | Kalroth | because a price war is a Good Thing(tm) |
| 21:40.22 | Kalroth | at least until AMD goes bankrupt .. |
| 21:40.27 | nevcairiel | the problem apparently was that it has the usual ROP blocks and the editors assumed that it follows the usual formula .. but they didnt know that the new architecture could disable half-rop blocks, so they screwed up :d |
| 21:40.39 | Stanzilla | amd should just stop doing GPUs and focus on their APU business |
| 21:40.41 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: and noone noticed it for 4 months :p |
| 21:40.45 | Gnarfoz | not sure where the screwup is. the card is placed at its perfomance spot in the overall range, what's the problem |
| 21:40.58 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: look at the anandtech chart |
| 21:41.02 | Gnarfoz | people don't like how that performance spot was reached? |
| 21:41.22 | Gnarfoz | I don't give a fuck about the specs, it's a card with a bit less performance than the 980 at a bit less price, is it not? |
| 21:41.26 | Kalroth | no it's not |
| 21:41.28 | Neffi | Stanzilla: do you want monopolies? 'cause that's how you get monopolies |
| 21:41.33 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: the only screwup is that the reviewers guide listed 64 ROPs and it only has 56 |
| 21:41.33 | Gnarfoz | it's not? |
| 21:41.49 | Gnarfoz | how is it not. benchmarks certainly made it look that way. |
| 21:42.06 | Kalroth | the box that it comes in doesn't say "slower than 980", there's some numbers and stuff on it |
| 21:42.10 | Kalroth | and those numbers were wrong |
| 21:42.11 | Gnarfoz | uhhh |
| 21:42.15 | Fisker | I think we should all just resort to ads about radeon users being alleged pot growers due to heat and power consumption |
| 21:42.16 | nevcairiel | but yeah, people should buy it for their performance, not some numbers that dont mean much |
| 21:42.32 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: the box doesnt list any numbers that are wrong |
| 21:42.33 | Stanzilla | like I said |
| 21:42.36 | Stanzilla | marketing screwup |
| 21:42.38 | Gnarfoz | are you seriously going to say people bought a 970 expecting it to have identical performance to a 980 |
| 21:42.49 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: no, a downclocked 980 |
| 21:42.52 | nevcairiel | those numbers were only in the reviewers guide |
| 21:43.03 | nevcairiel | it always had less SM processors, too |
| 21:43.07 | Gnarfoz | not ever was model like that sold, Kalroth |
| 21:43.08 | nevcairiel | properly documented etc |
| 21:43.12 | Gnarfoz | why would the 970 work that way |
| 21:43.22 | Neffi | Kalroth: is the ROP count actually on the box though? |
| 21:43.47 | Gnarfoz | >99% people also don't know what a ROP even is |
| 21:44.00 | Kalroth | so it's okay to screw clueless people over? :) |
| 21:44.09 | Gnarfoz | they got screwed out of what exactly? |
| 21:44.09 | Neffi | if anyone ever expects a lower-tier GPU to just be a downclocked version, they're wrong to begin with |
| 21:44.11 | Kalroth | Neffi: i dunno |
| 21:44.15 | Gnarfoz | nothing, the card performs *as expected* |
| 21:44.21 | nevcairiel | the ROP count isnt mentioned on the box or on their spec website, its only in the reviewers guide |
| 21:44.22 | Neffi | it's always lower tier by merit of having fewer cores, and sometimes fewer other things too |
| 21:44.29 | Neffi | in fact the clocks on lower GPUs are sometimes higher |
| 21:44.40 | Gnarfoz | the only thing new that came to light is more precise information as to why it performs that way |
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| 21:45.16 | Gnarfoz | they're neither defective nor do they perform lower than expected, none of this makes sense |
| 21:45.55 | Kalroth | and the low priority 512mb ram was to be expected? |
| 21:46.05 | Gnarfoz | no, but it has no meaning for end users |
| 21:46.13 | Torhal | downclocks Semlar so he doesn't overheat. |
| 21:46.20 | Gnarfoz | it's just one of the things nvidia used to achieve that lower point of performance |
| 21:46.31 | Gnarfoz | or, "accepted", if you will |
| 21:47.43 | Kalroth | but if you had bought AMD then you wouldn't have run into those issues! |
| 21:47.50 | Gnarfoz | which issues |
| 21:48.11 | Kalroth | lies, misinformation and deceit |
| 21:48.15 | Gnarfoz | buying a non-top of the line model and expecting performance something else? |
| 21:48.21 | Gnarfoz | -performance |
| 21:48.35 | Fisker | Kalroth is genuinely upset |
| 21:48.38 | Kalroth | haha |
| 21:48.55 | Kalroth | i like nvidia fanboys almost as much as much as amd fanboys |
| 21:49.03 | Fisker | hugs Kalroth |
| 21:49.04 | Gnarfoz | if this thing made a big difference, it would have shown up during the usual gauntlet of reviews and benchmarks, but it placed exactly where everyone expected it to be... I still don't get what the fuss is about |
| 21:49.17 | Kalroth | "so what if this car doesn't run as fast as it was advertised, i never drive that fast anyways!!" |
| 21:49.27 | Gnarfoz | it drives as fast as advertised |
| 21:49.36 | Kalroth | "so what if this monitor is only 1024p, i never look at the bottom of the screen anyways" |
| 21:50.17 | Gnarfoz | so, because I point out that this makes no difference to buyers of the card, I'm now a fanboy or something, gj |
| 21:50.33 | Fisker | Remember when amd sold cards that could be softmodded to better cards? |
| 21:50.37 | Kalroth | "and who cares that the bottom corner got a refresh rate that's half the rest of the screen, it's good enough for most people" |
| 21:50.44 | Fisker | Why all the lies, misinformation and deceit? |
| 21:50.46 | Gnarfoz | see above, people are bored and like the shitstorm |
| 21:50.56 | Kalroth | Fisker: AMD cards could be made better? |
| 21:51.00 | Kalroth | hjoww pls |
| 21:51.09 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth spent too much time w/ EJ people :D |
| 21:51.12 | Kalroth | :D |
| 21:51.27 | Kalroth | what's the fun in being serious all the time |
| 21:51.29 | Gnarfoz | *AJ sorry |
| 21:51.31 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:53.08 | Gnarfoz | goes back to the lies, misinformation and deceit feat. Kevin Spacey |
| 21:53.20 | Kalroth | Good show |
| 21:53.30 | Gnarfoz | verily |
| 21:54.10 | Fisker | House of AMD Cards? |
| 21:54.12 | Kalroth | really digging Banshee lately |
| 21:54.34 | Kalroth | and Gotham |
| 21:54.35 | Neffi | Kevin Spacey is my spirit animal |
| 21:54.43 | Neffi | I'm not sure what that means but I heard it on reddit and it sounded funny |
| 21:55.34 | Gnarfoz | hah, 16 digit 2FA code |
| 21:56.19 | Kalroth | Neffi: ayyy lmao |
| 21:56.54 | Gnarfoz | (also, the format is not consitent between the time the IT guy requests the 2FA code and the reporter guy does) |
| 21:59.29 | Stanzilla | Gotham is getting boring |
| 21:59.30 | Stanzilla | sadly |
| 21:59.33 | Stanzilla | was so hyped for that show |
| 22:02.39 | zenzelezz | sounds like the joker's on you |
| 22:06.35 | Simca | http://ptr.wowdb.com/spells/182081-swapblaster-explosion |
| 22:06.53 | Simca | excellent, looks like Neural Silencer will work on Swapblasters in 6.1 AND even cause feedback |
| 22:08.08 | zenzelezz | I hope they one day introduce some epic weapon that they hype as providing awesome feedback, but the feedback is in reality the weapon telling you "lol is that the best you can do" etc. |
| 22:08.28 | kullervo | Simca: ooh nice! |
| 22:09.12 | kullervo | what was that one wow comic again |
| 22:11.57 | kullervo | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/470 |
| 22:12.07 | kullervo | I trapped a guildie behind those exact rocks on purpose |
| 22:13.58 | kullervo | puts on hipster glasses |
| 22:14.05 | kullervo | of course, I did it before it was cool |
| 22:15.08 | fewyn | i really wish there was a better way to look through the blueprints vendor |
| 22:15.43 | Neffi | does GnomishVendorShrinker not work? |
| 22:15.51 | fewyn | i've never heard of that |
| 22:15.55 | Gnarfoz | works |
| 22:16.03 | kd3 | gnomishvendorshrinker is awesome |
| 22:16.05 | Neffi | fewyn: you're missing out. you should go download it |
| 22:16.14 | fewyn | to the ole google machine |
| 22:16.15 | Gnarfoz | of course it is, it's gnomish :D |
| 22:17.23 | fewyn | installed |
| 22:17.25 | fewyn | now to go check it out |
| 22:18.16 | fewyn | oh my god |
| 22:18.19 | fewyn | i love you guys |
| 22:19.01 | Neffi | <3 |
| 22:19.16 | Neffi | well, love tekkub |
| 22:19.39 | zenzelezz | "Game services temporarily unavailable" |
| 22:19.42 | zenzelezz | not a message you want to see |
| 22:20.02 | zenzelezz | won 15-0 in World of Tanks because the whole other team got disconnected |
| 22:20.18 | zenzelezz | cheapest mastery badge ever |
| 22:20.19 | Gnarfoz | screw the other team! :D |
| 22:20.34 | fewyn | i've never actually looked at world of tanks |
| 22:20.37 | fewyn | other than it has tanks |
| 22:21.02 | Neffi | I assumed it meant tanks in the rpg sense role, and then when I looked into it I was kinda disappointed |
| 22:21.12 | Neffi | s/sense roll/roll sense/ |
| 22:21.19 | nevcairiel | you dont like actual tanks |
| 22:21.19 | Neffi | role* fuck man |
| 22:21.23 | fewyn | no i knew it was actual tanks |
| 22:21.25 | Neffi | not particularly |
| 22:21.40 | Neffi | I'm not big on military engineering and stuff |
| 22:24.28 | zenzelezz | http://imgur.com/jp9WwLt - I like the status spam on the right side |
| 22:24.44 | fewyn | now back to playing gw2 while these garrison buildings build |
| 22:25.22 | Neffi | fewyn: you should add me ;) |
| 22:25.24 | Gnarfoz | is this what your tank looks like http://cdn1.pcadvisor.co.uk/cmsdata/products/3413722/World_of_Tanks.jpg zenzelezz |
| 22:25.36 | zenzelezz | how did you know? |
| 22:25.37 | Neffi | gw2 is kinda fun but I don't know anybody on it |
| 22:25.38 | fewyn | in gw2? sure let me figure out what my friend id thingie is |
| 22:25.47 | fewyn | i decided i wanted to level a new guardian |
| 22:25.57 | fewyn | because i didn't want to play my ranger |
| 22:26.07 | Neffi | I'm trying to focus on my engineer. I had the desire to class bounce the other day and I figured I should learn the game first before I do that. |
| 22:26.15 | fewyn | fewyn.9051 |
| 22:26.21 | Neffi | cool. i'll add you |
| 22:26.46 | fewyn | my ranger is level 80 or something |
| 22:26.47 | fewyn | i dunno |
| 22:26.56 | Neffi | oh man |
| 22:27.05 | Neffi | yeah, I just started, like, a couple days ago. when it went on sale. |
| 22:27.24 | Neffi | my engineer is 25 |
| 22:27.34 | fewyn | yeah i played at launch |
| 22:27.43 | fewyn | i was site manager for guildhead before zam shut it down |
| 22:28.07 | fewyn | it's actually a fun game |
| 22:28.09 | Neffi | oh man! I knew I wasn't going crazy |
| 22:28.13 | fewyn | just couldn't keep me interested at level cap |
| 22:28.15 | Neffi | I knew there was a guildhead |
| 22:28.28 | fewyn | just not a lot of need for a database site |
| 22:28.30 | fewyn | for gw2 |
| 22:28.34 | Neffi | I guess |
| 22:28.35 | fewyn | the wiki was way better |
| 22:28.48 | Stanzilla | so fewyn was the lead head giver of the guild |
| 22:28.48 | Neffi | tbh I don't really know. I haven't figured everything out |
| 22:28.53 | Neffi | lol Stanzilla |
| 22:30.11 | Neffi | I assume it added me to your friends list too? |
| 22:30.22 | Neffi | if not, Neffi.2685 |
| 22:30.26 | fewyn | it added you to my follower list |
| 22:30.30 | fewyn | which let me add you to my friends |
| 22:30.34 | Neffi | ah, ok |
| 22:30.43 | Neffi | well anyone else in here, feel free to add me |
| 22:42.24 | Torhal | adds Neffi to his "TODO: Rewrite" list. |
| 22:52.42 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2015-01-31_00-39-23.jpg |
| 22:52.44 | kullervo | party buffs yo |
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