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| 00:14.37 | MysticalOS | fotlit, 449 was updated to now have 7 counters.Blackhand's Crucible |
| 00:14.46 | znf | he knows |
| 00:14.49 | MysticalOS | k |
| 00:14.56 | znf | all BRF missions have 7 counters now :( |
| 00:15.00 | MysticalOS | all of them |
| 00:15.02 | MysticalOS | ah |
| 00:15.13 | kd3 | ouch |
| 00:15.14 | znf | dumb as fuck :( |
| 00:15.15 | kd3 | ouch! |
| 00:15.29 | MysticalOS | nah |
| 00:15.42 | MysticalOS | it's actually a joke. consider for a second garona |
| 00:15.55 | znf | ...but it's only garona who is a legendary follower |
| 00:15.59 | MysticalOS | i can get 100% even without garona, 6 counters plus racial |
| 00:16.11 | MysticalOS | not like you'll have two foundry missions at same time |
| 00:16.12 | MysticalOS | :P |
| 00:16.28 | znf | no, but it doesn't mean garona will roll with the exact same spells I need... |
| 00:16.32 | znf | counters, whatever |
| 00:17.10 | MysticalOS | if she doesn't, you spend resources and fix |
| 00:18.10 | znf | 0 guarantees! |
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| 00:22.59 | MysticalOS | doing my follower assessments now |
| 00:23.05 | MysticalOS | with all the upgrade tokens in bags i have now |
| 00:23.17 | MysticalOS | i can make 25 follower 660 on patch days, already |
| 00:23.21 | MysticalOS | with several of them being 670 |
| 00:23.42 | Dagmar | I can make 9-10 of them a good, solid 615. |
| 00:23.47 | Dagmar | I need to throw out the useless ones |
| 00:24.01 | Dagmar | Everyone's at 640 or higher now |
| 00:24.45 | MysticalOS | i tore down bunker weeks ago too, no need to rebuild. i just spam missions hard and get plenty out of salvage. 6.1 nerfs may hurt that consistency some. but since i'll hae what i need patch day |
| 00:24.50 | MysticalOS | probably won't matter until 6.2 until whenever |
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| 00:26.30 | Gnarfoz | cool story bro |
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| 00:38.25 | Simca_ | 7 counter mission = people need to start caring about racial synergy if they want to 100 |
| 00:38.30 | Simca_ | 100% |
| 00:42.49 | fewyn | 7 count missions are going to be a bitch |
| 00:44.06 | Gethe | or if your Garona rolled 3 good counters |
| 00:44.24 | fewyn | or keep rerolling it until you get 3 good counters? |
| 00:44.31 | Gethe | that too |
| 00:44.49 | fewyn | i haven't spent any of my reroll tokens |
| 00:45.14 | Gethe | ive got one waiting |
| 00:45.52 | MysticalOS | actually 7 is a joke, i just sent out 100% on ptr |
| 00:45.57 | MysticalOS | without much effort |
| 00:46.05 | MysticalOS | 6 traits, environment counter and 1 racial |
| 00:46.18 | MysticalOS | and this is without garona |
| 00:47.54 | Simca_ | environment/enemy counters are way too unreliable |
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| 01:02.31 | MysticalOS | i'm actually finding it easier to counter these than when they had 6. because it was hard to match all 6 exactly, it was generally 5 with traits. but with 7th added, i'm finding i have MANY different combinations that easily get 6, allowing more wiggle room to getting traits in for 100% |
| 01:02.46 | MysticalOS | then again my roster is super versatile anyways. with 45 followers, 40 of which are epic |
| 01:04.55 | Jamash | how do you have 45 followers? |
| 01:11.42 | tz | level then deactivate |
| 01:12.24 | Jamash | ok but you can't actually activate more than one per day |
| 01:12.52 | tz | most high-value missions aren't available more than once a day |
| 01:13.06 | tz | figure out what you need at the time and activate the best combo |
| 01:13.09 | Jamash | oy |
| 01:13.17 | Jamash | sounds expensive |
| 01:13.39 | tz | 750g is nothing over 3 days, worst-case scenario |
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| 01:24.40 | crizkuro | Does anyone know of any place that gives info on creating and using libs? |
| 01:25.42 | crizkuro | am I alone here? |
| 01:25.45 | zenzelezz | technically there's no such thing as a library |
| 01:25.59 | zenzelezz | but I think they generally follow the same base mechanics |
| 01:26.52 | crizkuro | So if I have a file with all my functions and its listed in the toc all I have to do is call the functions? no importing? |
| 01:27.39 | crizkuro | or if I have a addon lib loaded I can just call its functions? |
| 01:29.48 | zenzelezz | as long as the code that defines the functions is loaded before your code tries to call them, and their functions/objects are globally available, y es |
| 01:30.19 | crizkuro | I see, thank you that helps alot |
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| 03:33.05 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/master-plan/data/unk.html |
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| 09:56.51 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 6.0.x ToC: 60000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday Shirik! |
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| 10:42.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9QRTWi21r4 pretty funny ad |
| 10:42.41 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 10:42.43 | Fisker | I'm feeling bad |
| 10:42.55 | karl_w_w | wanna spoon? |
| 10:43.20 | Fisker | no thanks |
| 10:43.52 | Xinhuan_ | youtube just showed me a 45 min long ad titled "Youtube interviews President Obama" |
| 10:43.59 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/6Ri3J48.jpg |
| 10:44.16 | Fisker | It does that sometimes Xinhuan_ |
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| 10:44.37 | Xinhuan_ | why is that classified as an ad? |
| 10:44.51 | Xinhuan_ | wouldn't an ad be like a 20 sec clip linking to the full video instead? |
| 10:45.01 | Fisker | nah |
| 10:45.11 | Fisker | They've had this for a while now |
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| 10:49.39 | karl_w_w | 12/0 deck Fisker |
| 10:50.01 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 10:50.09 | Fisker | Probably not skilled enough |
| 10:50.14 | Fisker | but god damnit this deck is OP |
| 10:50.28 | Fisker | 5/0 without any difficulty at all |
| 10:50.51 | Fisker | Now it's starting to become mage time |
| 10:51.08 | Fisker | Luckily drafting 5 flamestrikes won't be enough |
| 10:51.31 | Fisker | wow |
| 10:51.51 | Fisker | this guy starts with undertaker into 2 clockwork gnomes |
| 10:52.14 | Fisker | Might lose this one :( |
| 10:52.36 | karl_w_w | i got wrecked by a hunter in arena who was basically running a constructed deck |
| 10:52.48 | Fisker | Yeah not sure I can stabilize from this one |
| 10:52.52 | karl_w_w | undertaker, mad scientist, clockwork gnome |
| 10:52.56 | karl_w_w | shit was insane |
| 10:53.13 | Fisker | though at least holy nova next turn |
| 10:54.14 | Fisker | gotta be lucky now |
| 10:54.27 | Fisker | and of course he didn't miss with his ogre |
| 10:54.58 | Fisker | But undertaker ->2x clockwork = insta lose anyway |
| 10:55.44 | Fisker | time for some knife juggler greed |
| 10:55.51 | Fisker | had waraxe, rip :< |
| 10:56.18 | Fisker | has worgen to my northshire, double rip |
| 10:57.15 | Fisker | god damnit |
| 10:57.20 | Fisker | Yeah this is lost |
| 10:58.35 | Fisker | lol has gorehowl |
| 10:59.00 | Fisker | 5/3 boys karl_w_w |
| 11:00.17 | karl_w_w | rekt |
| 11:07.38 | Fisker | 6/2 the dream is still alive |
| 11:11.54 | Fisker | poor guy, attacked my enrage before attacking with his face |
| 11:12.13 | pompy | they finally suspended his twitter acct |
| 11:12.25 | Fisker | yay |
| 11:20.35 | Fisker | yeah ok clears my board so he has a rag, next turn he topdecks a gruul |
| 11:20.59 | Fisker | no way to win gaem |
| 11:21.40 | Fisker | and 3 velen's for me in a row |
| 11:21.48 | Fisker | good way to get back board control on an empty board :D |
| 11:22.41 | Fisker | At laest I got dark wispers karl_w_w |
| 11:23.00 | Fisker | That's how I imagine amaz losing an arena like this |
| 11:23.22 | Fisker | dark wispers is the next best thing to wisps now you can't get them from arena |
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| 11:46.00 | karl_w_w | you mean target dummy Fisker |
| 11:46.14 | Fisker | they're both as good |
| 11:47.08 | karl_w_w | difference is wisp can't be used in a deck |
| 11:47.20 | karl_w_w | im sure target dummy and wispers can |
| 11:47.55 | Fisker | hobgoblin deck |
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| 12:03.22 | Guest50646 | These daily inn mission rewards are crazy |
| 12:03.30 | Guest50646 | 200 stats elixir with 15m cooldown? |
| 12:03.53 | Guest50646 | And I can fly to nagrand every day with Aviana's Whisper :P |
| 12:04.22 | Guest50646 | land at Telaar from garrison .. |
| 12:04.52 | Fisker | It's been nerfed |
| 12:04.54 | nevcairiel | the 200 thing was nerfed to 100 |
| 12:05.19 | Fisker | Still think it should've been like 125-150 or something |
| 12:14.14 | Guest50646 | http://i.imgur.com/4J4O9ZD.jpg |
| 12:14.16 | Guest50646 | 200? |
| 12:14.34 | nevcairiel | tooltips require a client patch to be fixed |
| 12:14.58 | Simca_ | i guess on the plus side foxlit, none of the missions that you use for missions of interest have shown any issues |
| 12:15.09 | Simca_ | only these 3 weird 4-mechanic 630 missions |
| 12:15.14 | Semlar | Oralius' Whispering Crystal now increases all stats by 100 (down from 200). |
| 12:15.25 | Semlar | november 18th |
| 12:15.46 | nevcairiel | having it as strong as flasks was probably a bit too much |
| 12:15.52 | Semlar | stronger, really |
| 12:15.52 | nevcairiel | not that flasks are particularly expensive |
| 12:15.56 | Simca_ | was nerfed further to not give spirit |
| 12:16.02 | Sharparam | it shouldn't have been an issue really |
| 12:16.09 | Sharparam | raiders don't use 200 flasks anyway |
| 12:16.20 | Simca_ | 200 int + 200 spirit was an issue |
| 12:16.22 | Simca_ | for healers |
| 12:16.25 | Sharparam | and the cooldown doesn't reset on death |
| 12:16.29 | nevcairiel | i guess that made it way too strong |
| 12:16.34 | Semlar | and 200 stamina, don't forget about that |
| 12:16.35 | nevcairiel | now its 100sta+100 primary stat |
| 12:17.14 | Sharparam | 200 int + 200 spi? |
| 12:17.16 | nevcairiel | doesnt even increase the other primary stats anymore you wouldnt have a benefit from anyway |
| 12:17.46 | Sharparam | oh yeah i forgot it increased all stats :P |
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| 12:18.48 | bluspacecow | im a mean HS player. |
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| 12:18.57 | bluspacecow | I just made someone give up in the 8th turn |
| 12:19.21 | nevcairiel | evil cow |
| 12:19.27 | bluspacecow | muhahahahahaha |
| 12:20.09 | bluspacecow | http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/cow-turns-carnivorous-and-eats-live-chickens.jpeg |
| 12:20.11 | karl_w_w | you mean muoohoohoohoo |
| 12:20.46 | Semlar | that is a cat mouf |
| 12:21.05 | bluspacecow | oh god |
| 12:21.06 | bluspacecow | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i7cKRKhTahA/VKChGGAEEMI/AAAAAAAAICE/D056i04VgHs/s1600/IMG_0130.JPG |
| 12:21.09 | bluspacecow | those ears |
| 12:21.13 | bluspacecow | like radar ears |
| 12:21.18 | bluspacecow | boop! boop! |
| 12:22.07 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat-eared_fox |
| 12:22.32 | bluspacecow | http://sarakleeyo.webcomic.ws/comics/77/ |
| 12:35.19 | karl_w_w | this is fucking ridiculous |
| 12:35.49 | karl_w_w | i cannot get my glasses clean without any smears |
| 12:35.58 | karl_w_w | it's driving me completely insane |
| 12:36.17 | bluspacecow | *eats karl_w_wâs glasses* |
| 12:36.19 | bluspacecow | how about now ? |
| 12:37.02 | karl_w_w | better |
| 12:37.21 | karl_w_w | I'd prefer to buy new glasses at this point |
| 12:39.15 | zenzelezz | how old are your current ones? |
| 12:39.19 | karl_w_w | not old |
| 12:39.29 | karl_w_w | 3 months or somethin |
| 12:39.32 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 12:39.41 | zenzelezz | I'd be most unhappy if they were like that so soon |
| 12:39.58 | karl_w_w | like what? :P |
| 12:40.13 | zenzelezz | <karl_w_w> i cannot get my glasses clean without any smears |
| 12:40.37 | Fisker | yeah ok double argent squire turn one into innervate sen'jin |
| 12:40.45 | karl_w_w | that doesn't have anything to do with age |
| 12:40.55 | Semlar | it does if they're scratched |
| 12:41.21 | zenzelezz | I find mine to be more prone to such trouble after two or three years |
| 12:41.27 | zenzelezz | might be coincidence |
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| 13:02.25 | Simca_ | Fisker: gg |
| 13:02.34 | Simca_ | concede turn 3? |
| 13:03.15 | Fisker | nah I played it out |
| 13:03.18 | Fisker | but did lose obviously |
| 13:03.30 | Fisker | spent like the first 7 turns pinging |
| 13:03.42 | Fisker | did get a cone of cold to delay him a bit |
| 13:04.10 | Simca_ | unless i know I have a v good board clear, i'd generally concede with a start like that |
| 13:04.13 | Fisker | when I cleared the board I had a total of one minion that game |
| 13:04.25 | Simca_ | at least it wasn't turn 1 zombie chow coin zombie chow |
| 13:04.27 | Fisker | I drew like every spell |
| 13:04.42 | Fisker | 2 flame cannons, flame strike, cone of cold, arcane explosion |
| 13:04.43 | Fisker | etc. |
| 13:04.50 | Fisker | a polymorph too |
| 13:05.04 | Simca_ | i've been drafting with heartharena.com recently, pretty fun |
| 13:05.13 | Fisker | And the minion I had in hand from turn one was a sorcerers apprentice :P |
| 13:05.32 | Fisker | But obviously no point in playing that against 2 divine shield 1/1's |
| 13:06.10 | Fisker | Yeah it's pretty nice |
| 13:07.41 | Fisker | I really liked my priest deck though |
| 13:07.50 | Fisker | It's a shame it could be rushed down |
| 13:09.16 | Fisker | Also had a shaman deck with the powermace |
| 13:09.19 | Fisker | and a nullifier |
| 13:09.24 | Fisker | anti-flamestrike deck :D |
| 13:09.48 | Fisker | I think I got 11/3 with that |
| 13:10.09 | bluspacecow | I got a 8 turn concede tonight |
| 13:10.11 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/a/uXvKR <-this deck though |
| 13:10.15 | bluspacecow | iâm quite proud of that |
| 13:10.19 | Fisker | Double divine spirit, 3x velen's :P |
| 13:10.35 | bluspacecow | holy sheete |
| 13:10.35 | Fisker | Lost to a rag followed up by gruul and in those 3 turns I drew all 3 velen's |
| 13:10.39 | bluspacecow | your evil fisker |
| 13:10.45 | Fisker | you're* |
| 13:10.58 | Fisker | yay my first play is an explosive sheep followed by a 4-drop :( |
| 13:11.43 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/STf4hyW.jpg |
| 13:11.46 | bluspacecow | dis my deck |
| 13:12.07 | Fisker | Not a deck |
| 13:12.16 | Simca_ | some decent turnips |
| 13:12.29 | bluspacecow | first I play the first turnip |
| 13:12.36 | bluspacecow | and if that dont work i play the second |
| 13:12.38 | bluspacecow | and if both |
| 13:12.45 | bluspacecow | dont work |
| 13:12.47 | bluspacecow | i run! |
| 13:33.32 | Fisker | recombobulator |
| 13:33.33 | Fisker | damnit |
| 13:33.43 | Fisker | made a 4/6 into a 6/3 :( |
| 13:34.02 | Guest50646 | DEM turnips |
| 13:35.01 | Simca_ | lol Fisker dis deck |
| 13:35.06 | Simca_ | http://www.heartharena.com/arena-run/t0tau2 |
| 13:35.39 | Fisker | get swiped |
| 13:35.43 | Simca_ | it offered me like 6 poison seeds, i almost wish i had taken every single one (even though they're generally bad) and just screwed with people |
| 13:36.12 | Fisker | :P |
| 13:36.30 | Fisker | pretty much a constructed deck |
| 13:37.50 | Simca_ | i have way too many 5-drops for arena, curious how this will work out |
| 13:40.27 | Fisker | I do like the part where my only early drop is immediately axed and I can't play anything until he has a belcher |
| 13:40.33 | Fisker | at which point he just uses mana tide |
| 13:40.35 | Fisker | gg game lost |
| 13:41.05 | Fisker | probably has lightning storm here |
| 13:41.24 | Fisker | yep |
| 13:41.33 | Simca_ | got all 3 spectral knights in the first 3 draws |
| 13:41.46 | Fisker | rolls high on my 3/3 of course, doesn't need to sacrfice anything \o/ |
| 13:42.57 | Fisker | Skillstrike not showed up yet |
| 13:43.33 | Fisker | and rekt |
| 13:44.45 | Simca_ | used all 3 swipes one turn after the other, lol |
| 13:46.28 | Fisker | repentance on this paladin and my first minion is on turn 5 |
| 13:46.30 | Fisker | ... |
| 13:46.42 | Fisker | at least I got two frost elementals in a row |
| 13:49.17 | karl_w_w | Fisker, how do i backup my local game settings before overwriting them from the steam cloud? |
| 13:49.17 | Fisker | fucking bs |
| 13:49.51 | Fisker | copy them karl_w_w |
| 13:49.57 | karl_w_w | i mean where are they |
| 13:50.05 | Fisker | in the steam folder |
| 13:50.29 | Fisker | i.e. userdate folder\<appid> |
| 13:51.19 | Fisker | would be nice if I could get a 2-mana creature in my starting hand |
| 13:52.12 | Fisker | yep muster |
| 13:52.14 | Fisker | this game = lkost |
| 13:52.16 | Fisker | lost* |
| 13:53.13 | karl_w_w | mustard is ridiculous |
| 13:53.15 | Kalroth | l2p issue |
| 13:54.39 | Fisker | All my games have been zero play in the beginning because of unlucky mulligan, which means I have to stall the entire game so I can flamestrike once, at which point they'll just refill the board |
| 13:55.20 | Fisker | Well at least he was greedy so he gave me a free heal on my minion |
| 13:55.51 | Simca_ | this guy played only totems for the first 5 turns Fisker with a forked lightning on t4 |
| 13:55.55 | Simca_ | he's like you fisker |
| 13:56.07 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:56.35 | Simca_ | he lost horribly ofc |
| 13:56.57 | Fisker | I hope he's greedy |
| 13:57.02 | Maldivia | Simca: that was implied by "he's like you fisker" |
| 13:57.04 | Fisker | Because he probably played avenge |
| 13:57.29 | Kalroth | https://github.com/somesocks/lua-lockbox i wonder if this can run from addons |
| 13:58.18 | Fisker | yay luck |
| 14:02.39 | Fisker | woo I won |
| 14:02.56 | Fisker | At least he didn't have quartermaster |
| 14:06.31 | Fisker | I'm going to punish him for having such disgusting car draw |
| 14:07.31 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: if its pure lua, no reason you couldnt |
| 14:07.48 | Fisker | he has 9 cards left in his deck vs 19 |
| 14:07.49 | nevcairiel | might need slight adjustments to not rely on module() and require() though |
| 14:08.04 | nevcairiel | (if it uses that, even) |
| 14:08.10 | Kalroth | it does use it |
| 14:08.23 | Kalroth | https://github.com/somesocks/lua-lockbox/blob/master/cipher/AES128Cipher.lua |
| 14:08.53 | Kalroth | well require() at least :) |
| 14:10.23 | bluspacecow | fisker! |
| 14:10.31 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 14:10.51 | bluspacecow | potato |
| 14:11.12 | bluspacecow | po ta toe |
| 14:11.28 | Fisker | RNGesus was with me |
| 14:11.41 | bluspacecow | potato! ;3 |
| 14:12.30 | Fisker | Simca_ if heartharena also has like a fighttracker that would be awesome |
| 14:12.49 | Simca_ | it does, results and rewards page |
| 14:12.59 | bluspacecow | potato ? |
| 14:13.02 | Fisker | I meant actual fight, not arena stats |
| 14:13.17 | Fisker | So I could better show you how dumb this match was |
| 14:13.23 | Simca_ | oh lol |
| 14:13.38 | Simca_ | can you record replays of matches yet? |
| 14:13.55 | Simca_ | sc2/heroes always record your last 5 games |
| 14:13.58 | Fisker | 1/3rd of my deck is <4 mana |
| 14:14.12 | Fisker | Could I at least get something of that in my starting hand for like the 6th time in a row |
| 14:14.39 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/w4muNXA.jpg |
| 14:15.32 | Fisker | time to coin out a 4-drop when he already has 7 damage on board |
| 14:15.45 | Fisker | Make that 9 damage |
| 14:16.45 | Fisker | down to 13hp on turn 5 because my first minion was 4 mana |
| 14:17.33 | bluspacecow | @Fisker : http://i.imgur.com/DUOKnkM.png?1 |
| 14:18.29 | Fisker | On the turn I have flamestrike he does of course only have one minion that'll die to it |
| 14:20.00 | Simca_ | i'm confused. my previous assignment made us implement stacks in C++, and this assignment wants us to do that with lists. as far as I can tell, they are completely the same thing except lists have an insert function |
| 14:20.37 | nevcairiel | that depends how you choose the internal structure for your first thing |
| 14:20.50 | nevcairiel | ie. a linked list makes inserting in the middle cheap |
| 14:20.52 | nevcairiel | an array does not |
| 14:21.08 | Simca_ | implemented stacks using links |
| 14:21.26 | Simca_ | so yeah, i'm basically just going to copy that implementation, rename the functions and add an insert function i think lol |
| 14:21.39 | Fisker | shields up though Simca_ |
| 14:24.41 | Fisker | hype hype hype |
| 14:24.59 | Fisker | http://www.heartharena.com/arena-run/rwkwhu <-shields up Simca_ |
| 14:26.22 | Simca_ | you don't have a single argent defender lol |
| 14:26.30 | Simca_ | why you saying shields up |
| 14:26.48 | Fisker | shielded mini-bot |
| 14:26.51 | Fisker | and I have one |
| 14:28.20 | Fisker | this is stupid |
| 14:29.01 | Simca_ | http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/372-sunfury-protector isn't she the one who says it? |
| 14:29.07 | Fisker | had to use a reckless rocketeer to clear a totem :/ |
| 14:29.08 | Simca_ | you have none of those |
| 14:29.21 | Fisker | no the mini-bot says "shields up, red alert" |
| 14:29.25 | Simca_ | oh |
| 14:29.48 | Fisker | oh and yeah the sunfury protector says shields up :P |
| 14:30.14 | Fisker | nothing like free kills though |
| 14:31.00 | Fisker | could this guy roll something else than a taunt totem? THe only time he didn't roll it was when he already had it |
| 14:32.03 | Fisker | oh he didn't get it this time where he used panda |
| 14:32.12 | Fisker | probably because now he can do double spell power instead |
| 14:32.32 | bluspacecow | potato ~_~ |
| 14:32.53 | Fisker | I did get the best 3-drop in the game though from recombobulator |
| 14:33.17 | bluspacecow | ~potato |
| 14:33.17 | purl | it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 14:33.42 | bluspacecow | ~groot |
| 14:33.43 | purl | rumour has it, groot is Swedish for "garbage". Dutch for "big" |
| 14:34.12 | Simca_ | purl no, potato is something that grows underground |
| 14:34.12 | purl | Simca_: okay |
| 14:34.21 | Simca_ | ~potato |
| 14:34.21 | purl | it has been said that potato is something that grows underground |
| 14:34.26 | nevcairiel | you really shouldnt be deleting other peoples factoids |
| 14:34.36 | nevcairiel | its not exclusively our bot you know |
| 14:34.57 | jleclanche | Im not sure a factoid about debian 2.2 is still relevant |
| 14:35.04 | Simca_ | i didn't know, but yeah |
| 14:35.09 | nevcairiel | its the principle of the thing! |
| 14:35.20 | jleclanche | purl, potato is also Debian 2.2. I hear It's no longer supported. |
| 14:35.21 | purl | ACTION smacks is also Debian 2.2. I hear It's no longer supported. over the head with a potato |
| 14:35.21 | bluspacecow | âreleased August 14th, 2000,â <ââââââââââââ potato |
| 14:35.23 | Simca_ | I can't possibly imagine how that could have been used in over 5 years |
| 14:35.30 | jleclanche | wa |
| 14:35.39 | jleclanche | ~factinfo potato |
| 14:35.39 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 14:35.39 | purl | potato -- last modified 1m 27s ago by Simca_!~Simca@c-76-123-93-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net; it has been requested 11 times, last by Simca_, 1m 18s ago. |
| 14:35.58 | Fisker | sadface |
| 14:36.07 | nevcairiel | haha, sounds like there is two potatos |
| 14:36.17 | jleclanche | purl: potato nevcairiel |
| 14:36.17 | purl | ACTION smacks nevcairiel over the head with a potato |
| 14:36.18 | bluspacecow | ~potatoe |
| 14:36.18 | purl | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
| 14:36.31 | bluspacecow | PO-TA-TO |
| 14:36.35 | Simca_ | lol. |
| 14:37.39 | jleclanche | purl: literal potato |
| 14:37.39 | purl | "potato" is "something that grows underground" |
| 14:37.50 | jleclanche | hm |
| 14:38.05 | nevcairiel | ~factinfo potato (.+) |
| 14:38.05 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 14:38.05 | purl | there's no such factoid as potato (.+), nevcairiel |
| 14:38.13 | nevcairiel | well, however the syntax for that was |
| 14:38.17 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 14:46.13 | foxlit | karl_w_w: it's a list of missions with some group compositions for which I end up estimating a greater success chance than the game does. |
| 14:48.09 | Simca_ | foxlit: i'm pretty sure at this point that it is a game bug |
| 14:51.40 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 14:51.54 | jleclanche | kd3: your nvidia drivers are up to date? |
| 14:51.57 | foxlit | that may well be; I don't think they roll dice, though, so it should be possible to account even for that. |
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| 14:52.52 | karl_w_w | I used to be so good at spacechem |
| 14:53.05 | karl_w_w | I reinstalled it and looked at some old solutions I did |
| 14:53.11 | karl_w_w | blows my mind |
| 14:53.28 | jleclanche | or nevcairiel |
| 14:53.29 | karl_w_w | it makes me feel like I've become extremely stupid in the last couple of years |
| 14:53.32 | jleclanche | I'm asking because of this: https://mediacru.sh/5/5E7a3SEtSvT2.png |
| 15:00.09 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: you always keep forgetting that i wouldnt touch gaming on linux with a 10ft pole |
| 15:00.22 | jleclanche | really? i was convinced you played wow on wine |
| 15:00.29 | nevcairiel | and you will be again in a month |
| 15:00.33 | nevcairiel | its not the first time! |
| 15:00.38 | jleclanche | sure isn't! |
| 15:02.23 | Fisker | shields failing Simca_ |
| 15:02.53 | Fisker | warlock helped me make a 6/3 fleshreating with dread infernal :D |
| 15:15.21 | jleclanche | kd3 nevcairiel: looks like a reboot fixed it |
| 15:15.29 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: so just reboot if you get this issue. |
| 15:15.30 | jleclanche | :) |
| 15:20.57 | zenzelezz | rebooting; the last stage of debugging |
| 15:38.38 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: funny isnt it? "have you tried turning it off and on again" is the classic first debugging step IT guys give to others, but never would we eat our own dog food |
| 15:43.24 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 15:44.09 | karl_w_w | that's cos we know what we're doing, we're above such small things! |
| 15:44.39 | zenzelezz | I had a problem for two weeks where the World of Tanks launcher wouldn't work; I had to launch the game directly... turned out to be because IE had been updated by Windows Update (and of course "all" game launchers use the IE component to display web content); after a reboot it worked just fine |
| 15:45.08 | zenzelezz | the thought never occurred to me before a colleague suggested it |
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| 15:51.24 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: wine has some similarly obscure issue with the bnet launcher. since the launcher forks, if you update wine but don't restart the launcher, games it launches won't work because there will be a server mismatch |
| 15:51.41 | jleclanche | funny thing is they will be launched, but youll get obscure authentication issues |
| 15:53.46 | jleclanche | another issue is when you update the graphics driver but dont restart, wow can crash when logging into the world, but the login screen works fine. you wouldnt be able to tell it's software accelerated up to that point. you can tell im not a fan of avoiding critical errors when you're not working on a nasa project or something |
| 15:54.14 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 15:57.44 | zenzelezz | on a mildly related topic, I enjoyed this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRe77Mdna0Y |
| 15:59.33 | jleclanche | oh, nice |
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| 16:39.25 | bluspacecow | what alliance race to choose for my garrisoin guards ? |
| 16:39.54 | nevcairiel | gnomes |
| 16:40.06 | bluspacecow | really ? |
| 16:40.21 | Semlar | undead |
| 16:40.35 | Fisker | Death knights |
| 16:40.44 | nevcairiel | gnome infantry is hilarious with their diving helmets |
| 16:41.15 | Fisker | I'll dive into your helmet |
| 16:43.37 | bluspacecow | giggity |
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| 17:09.06 | d[karl]b | there are still graphics drivers that require a restart after updating? |
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| 17:11.42 | zenzelezz | require is a strong word |
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| 17:35.12 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: uh, yes |
| 17:35.13 | jleclanche | all of them |
| 17:36.15 | nevcairiel | linux isnt this advanced karl_w_w |
| 17:36.37 | nevcairiel | in desktop aspects, they are like a decade behind |
| 17:36.45 | nevcairiel | especially gaming |
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| 18:29.44 | fewyn | confirmed what i pretty much already knew... i never want kids... my brothers had all their demon spawn over this weekend |
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| 18:31.12 | Ressy | lol |
| 18:31.25 | karl_w_w | yeah but now you get to be a favourite aunt |
| 18:31.44 | fewyn | why do people always think i'm female? |
| 18:31.46 | Ressy | My ex has my demon spawn for the weekend.. Got him yesterday, and he was sick half the night.. |
| 18:34.41 | fewyn | my littlest brother has a daughter who is almost 4... my other brother has 3 step-children, twins aged 6 and a son aged 7 |
| 18:35.47 | Ressy | my munchkin's 5. :) |
| 18:35.47 | karl_w_w | it's all the dresses you wear fewyn |
| 18:36.05 | fewyn | i've never worn a dress... okay maybe once |
| 18:36.56 | Ressy | heh |
| 18:44.26 | Fisker | demon spawn?! |
| 18:44.33 | Fisker | class child protective services |
| 18:44.46 | Fisker | calls* |
| 18:44.57 | Neffi | "Fisker class" should be a real thing |
| 18:45.10 | Neffi | when regular child protective services aren't enough |
| 18:45.20 | Fisker | rude |
| 18:45.36 | Neffi | calls Fisker-class child protective services on Fisker. |
| 18:50.04 | karl_w_w | wow that's new |
| 18:50.25 | karl_w_w | your computer does not have enough memory to load settings from the following addon |
| 18:50.33 | karl_w_w | please disable some addons |
| 18:50.35 | karl_w_w | clique |
| 18:51.07 | karl_w_w | 11 GB of ram free |
| 18:51.34 | kd3 | 32-bit wow client bumping into the 3 gig limit? |
| 18:51.47 | karl_w_w | nop, 64 bit |
| 18:52.44 | karl_w_w | restarting didn't fix it |
| 18:53.17 | karl_w_w | and it's not lying, my clique settings are not there |
| 18:53.33 | fewyn | i had this happen once |
| 18:53.36 | fewyn | a year or so ago |
| 18:53.41 | fewyn | i had to reboot |
| 18:53.46 | fewyn | my settings were gone tho |
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| 18:55.57 | karl_w_w | i don't know if i remember all my clique bindings to redo them |
| 18:57.11 | karl_w_w | the file is empty in my wtf folder |
| 18:58.26 | karl_w_w | doesnt curse client backup settings? |
| 18:59.48 | karl_w_w | I've never worked out how that works |
| 19:03.54 | karl_w_w | I blame jnwhiteh http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/clique/tickets/118-your-computer-does-not-have-enough-memory-to-load-settings/ |
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| 19:28.46 | Tomaz^ | Anyone have any pointers on where to get started regarding looping over all tracked quests / achievements? I wanna modify the tracker background |
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| 19:44.34 | foxlit | pop quiz: is (x - x % 1) == math.floor(x) for all x > 0? |
| 19:47.05 | kd3 | seems fair enough. I can't think of a situation where that'd break |
| 19:47.57 | kd3 | but what environment that has the remainder operator wouldn't have math.floor? |
| 19:49.33 | kd3 | s/remainder/mod/ |
| 19:53.07 | Xinhuan_ | well floating point errors for very large x may fail with that |
| 19:53.19 | Xinhuan_ | or rather, precision based errors |
| 19:55.21 | Xinhuan_ | dunno, heh, since can't tell if x % 1 will have the same precision or not retained |
| 19:55.22 | Grum | also fails when x = NaN/Inf |
| 19:55.45 | Grum | or a string ;D |
| 19:55.49 | foxlit | nan is excluded by the condition; I suppose I should've also said "finite" |
| 19:56.04 | Xinhuan_ | so whats the answer? |
| 19:56.11 | Grum | the answer depends on 'what is x' |
| 19:56.40 | Grum | I'd say for integers that behavior holds |
| 19:57.28 | foxlit | I think the answer is 'yes'. |
| 19:57.32 | Grum | it would break for any fraction that is not a whole number |
| 19:57.44 | Xinhuan_ | have u tried very large floating point numbers? |
| 19:57.54 | Xinhuan_ | say x = 123456789123.456789 |
| 19:58.09 | Grum | yeah it might work for some of those |
| 19:58.35 | foxlit | I haven't. |
| 19:58.50 | Grum | Are you solving a problem or are just posing an interesting question? :D |
| 19:59.27 | foxlit | the representation should be a binary fraction and an exponent; logically, modulo 1 should just drop the exponent. |
| 20:00.04 | Xinhuan_ | that makes no sense at all |
| 20:00.18 | Grum | indeed |
| 20:00.29 | Xinhuan_ | if anything, the whole representation should change |
| 20:00.38 | Xinhuan_ | both exponent and the binary part |
| 20:01.21 | foxlit | I want to know whether I can replace a floor call with the modulo subtraction. |
| 20:01.23 | Xinhuan_ | since 1.23 is really 123 with a negative exponent, and 123 is very different from 1 |
| 20:01.46 | foxlit | it's really 0.123 with a positive exponent. |
| 20:02.05 | Tomaz^ | wouldnt the obvious thing be to just test it? |
| 20:02.30 | Grum | you can replace floro with truncation |
| 20:02.36 | Grum | but only for positive numbers |
| 20:04.13 | foxlit | (you're right, though, it'll change the mantissa as well, though it doesn't seem like you can lose bits there) |
| 20:04.38 | Grum | ok so the problem is to floor a factional number faster than calling math.floor on it? |
| 20:04.47 | Xinhuan_ | pretty sure i would just run the test on x = 1234567890123.4567890123, x = 12345678901234.567890123, and keep shifting the decimal point down and see if it works heh |
| 20:05.20 | foxlit | Tomaz^: it's difficult to conclude "it'll always work" based on the amount of testing that is feasible to do. |
| 20:05.35 | Grum | you can do: (int) (input + BIG_ENOUGH_FLOAT) - BIG_ENOUGH_INT |
| 20:05.56 | Xinhuan_ | yeah but if a simple test case fails, you can rule it out right away |
| 20:07.10 | foxlit | lua> x=12345678901234.567890123 for j=-20,20 do local x = x * 10^j assert(x - x % 1 == math.floor(x)) end |
| 20:07.17 | foxlit | (doesn't fail) |
| 20:07.41 | Grum | ^ is power of? |
| 20:07.59 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:08.29 | Grum | you are not really reaching the limits of float then |
| 20:08.46 | Grum | goes upto 01^38 for 32bit ones |
| 20:08.55 | Grum | 10^38 even :) |
| 20:09.01 | Xinhuan_ | yeah, i don't know how many digits precision lua has heh |
| 20:09.10 | Xinhuan_ | but you'll have to go to the limits |
| 20:09.12 | Grum | me neither |
| 20:09.16 | Grum | iirc it is a double |
| 20:09.22 | Grum | because they just added ints to the latest version |
| 20:09.29 | Grum | so i doubt they'll do with 'just 32bit floats' |
| 20:09.44 | foxlit | you can s/20/200/ and it still doesn't throw; though this still tells you nothing. |
| 20:09.57 | Grum | indeed |
| 20:10.01 | Grum | in java what i said holds |
| 20:10.19 | Xinhuan_ | besides if you post this to stackoverflow, some nerd would probably be able to dig up the implementation of % and figure it out, could even depend on language |
| 20:10.21 | Grum | and i guess in any language that has strong typed for that matter |
| 20:10.40 | Grum | yeah % might bug somewhere as it might be implemented 'fast' itself :p |
| 20:12.22 | Grum | if the fractional part of the calculation is too precise you will get the right answer but the answer itself means nothing |
| 20:12.47 | Grum | because if you offset the amount you remove within the precision it will give the same answer |
| 20:12.55 | Grum | (eg do +0.1/-0.1 for example) |
| 20:19.03 | foxlit | it's interesting that adding another threat to BRF missions might've actually made them slightly easier to deal with. |
| 20:21.15 | foxlit | (since now you might have more counters-all-but-one-threat groups, making it easier to combine enough trait buffs to reach 100.) |
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| 20:29.58 | nevcairiel | it shifted the difficulty, if anything. now you definitely need traits, or a good garona match |
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| 20:51.03 | Fisker | What does garona do nevcairiel ? |
| 20:51.16 | nevcairiel | offer 3+1 counters |
| 20:53.07 | karl_w_w | oh look, it's steve aoki http://i.imgur.com/HhzKTwk.jpg |
| 20:53.17 | Fisker | Isn't that twice as many as a regular epic one? |
| 20:53.38 | nevcairiel | well its 3 actual counters, but she has a trait which is a free counter due to its success bonus |
| 20:53.43 | nevcairiel | so, 3+1 |
| 20:54.24 | Fisker | So you get it after the tablet quests? |
| 20:54.33 | nevcairiel | not sure actually |
| 20:57.26 | nevcairiel | i might wager yes |
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| 21:21.37 | Simca_ | well i 100% all Highmaul missions and can only 100% 2/4 BRF and 97% the other two, so it isn't always easier |
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| 22:16.16 | fewyn | reapproaching 250k gold hurrah |
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| 22:56.11 | znf | fewyn, I just hit 500k again, and I'm wondering how |
| 22:56.26 | fewyn | combination of garrisons and the transmog market |
| 23:00.22 | Simca_ | foxlit: I think I finally see the pattern |
| 23:00.56 | Simca_ | those four missions - the results only make sense if you calculate them as if they had 5 mechanics |
| 23:04.58 | Simca_ | hmm, that still doesn't explain every case though |
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| 23:15.11 | foxlit | most important question ever: how are they going to fit all of Garona's abilities and traits into that tiny follower details frame? |
| 23:17.08 | nevcairiel | it'll shrink |
| 23:17.18 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 23:17.24 | nevcairiel | no clues in the 6.1 code yet i guess? |
| 23:17.55 | Simca_ | foxlit: for the first 94% < 96% entry on that page, I don't get 96% |
| 23:18.07 | Simca_ | the correct % should be 87%, yes? |
| 23:18.33 | nevcairiel | shouldnt it be 94%, or what sense has that number then |
| 23:18.42 | Simca_ | that's what the game says |
| 23:19.00 | Simca_ | the game is likely wrong since it gets different numbers for 3 specific missions and only under certain circumstances |
| 23:19.16 | Simca_ | I'm trying to understand what the bug is so that foxlit can account for it and Blizzard can fix it |
| 23:20.54 | foxlit | Well, it counters GD, PS, TB; gets combat experience, and all three are 15ilvl over the mission. |
| 23:21.15 | Simca_ | you said ilvl wasn't relevant |
| 23:21.32 | Simca_ | and to assume all followers were at the ideal itemlevel |
| 23:21.43 | foxlit | And then I made some changes. These should account for the stated item levels. |
| 23:21.52 | Simca_ | ahhhhhh |
| 23:21.56 | foxlit | (it's still only in one direction, which is why you see no groups with <630 there.) |
| 23:22.48 | Simca_ | still only these 3 missions with mismatched %s and every bad match is an overestimate, right? |
| 23:22.58 | foxlit | so that's what, 6+6+6+2+3 / 24 -> 95.83 |
| 23:27.17 | foxlit | no; I haven't looked at underestimations. |
| 23:28.06 | foxlit | from the current pool of data, it's just those three missions that, while having all followers at-or-above mission level, result in a lower client-computed success chance than the projection. |
| 23:29.24 | Simca_ | ah, well having underestimations available for those missions might help in finding the pattern |
| 23:53.14 | tlund | when transferred to another realm, is there a way to find out what realm you are on? |
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| 23:56.54 | Maldivia | check realid in the guid on npcs? |
| 23:59.07 | jleclanche | isnt there a GetServerName or some such? |
| 23:59.42 | Maldivia | jleclanche: but does that return your home-realm, or the x-realm you're currently on ? |
