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| 00:04.06 | Fisker | heys Ressy |
| 00:05.18 | Ressy | hey |
| 00:18.14 | pompy1 | zenzelezz: 25 mins |
| 00:25.29 | pompy1 | http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx |
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| 00:30.30 | fewyn | yessss i can 100% my highmaul raid this time |
| 00:35.50 | pompy1 | zenzelezz: small delay currently |
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| 01:12.38 | zenzelezz | pompy1: that was a quite nice and clean launch |
| 01:20.57 | pompy1 | zenzelezz: sure was |
| 01:21.17 | pompy1 | besides the 20 min delay |
| 01:21.45 | pompy1 | http://youtu.be/O7ApxVyskuI happened on the NJ Turnpike the other day. :o |
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| 02:00.50 | Amarande | Wow, now I'm even more inclined to think of going back to WoW ... I had an FC mate in FFXIV answer my comments about the apparently clear inferiority of my class with "there's nothing wrong, you need to L2P" :| |
| 02:00.54 | Amarande | okay, I consider you folks pretty expert on MMOs |
| 02:01.14 | Amarande | if a class is pretty much universally benched by top tier groups, that usually means there's some inherent inferiority of that class vis-a-vis other ones that might be chosen instead, *right*? |
| 02:01.26 | Amarande | much like how melee DPS pretty much didn't make the cut at the beginning of Cata? |
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| 02:10.18 | Neffi | not necessarily |
| 02:10.29 | Neffi | top tier raiding guilds focus too much on the meta game |
| 02:10.37 | Cairenn | Shirik: lol, that bulldog is certainly happy |
| 02:10.48 | Neffi | often times their decisions are not based in what is realistic and reasonable, but what is .0001% better on paper |
| 02:10.54 | Neffi | many of them are ridiculous |
| 02:12.27 | Amarande | also I opined that a certain solo duty (as in nobody can help you and you can't even bring a pet unless you're an arcanist type) demanded too high a gear level, to which I was also chided to L2P |
| 02:12.54 | Amarande | as in basically an escort quest where it fails if the NPC dies (as usual ...), and where pretty much it boils down to a pure DPS check |
| 02:13.19 | Amarande | except none of the content on that path calls for above ilvl 95 even at extreme tier, while one will struggle to meet this DPS check with more than that |
| 02:13.57 | Amarande | Neffi: interestingly enough, the class that is benched in this case is one that seems to be virtually essential to the mechanics |
| 02:14.09 | Amarande | as in the raid instance is AoE heavy but the main AoE class isn't used :) |
| 02:14.35 | Neffi | I don't pay much attention to what the top tier dudes do |
| 02:14.38 | Amarande | I can only think that it's that tight DPS checks + lots of high stakes dodge mechanics + casters = unnecessary difficulty |
| 02:15.13 | Neffi | because they're typically out to game the mechanics, subvert the intended fun of the game and just get things done as quickly as possible, whether or not they enjoy it, because they like the fame from random people on the internet |
| 02:15.26 | Amarande | (because casters bleed DPS like a stuck pig in movement heavy fights ... and unlike WoW, FFXIV BLM doesn't get a 30% edge in potential output compared to melee classes to compensate LOL) |
| 02:15.54 | Neffi | it's been my experience that when a class is universally considered broken in WoW communities, that often the problem is being dramatically blown out of proportion and the class, while maybe needs tweaks, is fine |
| 02:15.55 | Amarande | of course, he's a healer, and I blamed the healer class for the high stakes mechanics existing in the first place |
| 02:16.33 | Amarande | (Basically one of the healer classes there is so mana efficient that the only thing that will pose any kind of real problem for them properly played is actually needing to rez) |
| 02:18.58 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah, noxxic DPS figures are mightily unrealistic in real life :) |
| 02:19.13 | Amarande | still, it gives me a very good understanding as to why mages have the ginormously high figures they do |
| 02:19.54 | Amarande | it allows a lot more liberty in fight design, because big deal if there's lots of mobility mechanics ... it's balanced out by that you had higher DPS peak to begin with so you just end up comparing to most other specs |
| 02:20.29 | Amarande | if all the classes are relatively balanced to begin with, then casters get slammed by mobility fights because they still have to lose DPS and physicals do not |
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| 03:15.13 | A-KO | some encounters people are just not good at movement, though. |
| 03:15.15 | A-KO | They either move too much |
| 03:15.20 | A-KO | or not enough |
| 03:16.03 | kullervo | "move too much" how does this happen? |
| 03:16.06 | kullervo | unless it's like, a tank |
| 03:18.11 | kullervo | I keep coming up with dumb shit but it usually won't work |
| 03:18.36 | kullervo | mostly due to there being no major benefit anymore due to lack of vengeance |
| 03:33.28 | Amarande | kullervo: yeah the only time moving too much is an issue is when it causes a DPS loss |
| 03:33.42 | Amarande | which is why casters tend to get hit so hard by movement heavy fights |
| 03:33.49 | Amarande | and the casters in FFXIV's case are already close to bottom tier as it is |
| 03:34.29 | Amarande | and what did they do in the content patch today? they buffed stats on the DPS classes that were already first and second preference *facepalm* |
| 03:34.53 | Amarande | balance, ever heard of it Square? Blizzard has, at least most of the time (*grumble* pvp warlock *grumble*) |
| 03:42.22 | znf | $1,309,122 pledged of $10,000 goal |
| 03:42.26 | znf | How to raise 1 million |
| 03:42.31 | kullervo | on what |
| 03:42.32 | znf | Step 1: Cat game |
| 03:42.36 | znf | Step 2: be The Oatmeal |
| 03:42.46 | znf | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens |
| 03:42.57 | znf | they blew trough their goal in ~20 minutes |
| 03:43.01 | znf | in 2 hours they had 100k |
| 03:43.43 | kullervo | idk how oatmeal is that popular |
| 03:43.48 | kullervo | I've read some because people linked them |
| 03:44.20 | znf | imho, his drawings/comics are awesome |
| 03:44.28 | znf | besides, he's a cool guy |
| 03:44.41 | kullervo | the art is awful and nothing's even remotely funny |
| 03:44.53 | fewyn | pfft |
| 03:45.01 | fewyn | i enjoy them |
| 03:45.02 | znf | the art is great |
| 03:45.10 | znf | and he made me laugh more than a couple of times |
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| 03:56.00 | znf | Shadowed, I may have narrowed down when the range-checked breaks. I've had it break twice when I was forcefully disconnected and then re-logged back (which coincidentally also trigger the "welcome to draenor" expansion pop-up) |
| 03:56.09 | Shadowed | huh |
| 03:56.11 | Shadowed | curious |
| 03:56.45 | znf | need to do more testing, but that's the only time it happened in the last ~2 weeks |
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| 04:01.30 | Shadowed | Probably just a timing issue then |
| 04:05.34 | sylvanaar | 777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 04:05.40 | sylvanaar | -=[[[[[u87i./ |
| 04:05.54 | sylvanaar | sorry, ctay6 |
| 04:05.55 | Thunder_Child | I'm hoping that is a cat. |
| 04:05.55 | sylvanaar | cat |
| 04:07.00 | Amarande | yeah either that or you're trying to enter your rotation into irc and probably wiping the raid :) |
| 04:07.17 | sylvanaar | no, its my new kitten |
| 04:07.23 | Amarande | awww |
| 04:20.27 | znf | <sylvanaar> [06:04:00] 777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 04:20.30 | znf | looks like an arcane mage |
| 04:22.32 | Stanzilla | I never bind 7 |
| 04:22.34 | Stanzilla | too short fingers |
| 04:22.43 | znf | 7 is Shadowfiend |
| 04:22.43 | znf | :D |
| 04:22.53 | Stanzilla | no, Q is shadowfiend |
| 04:22.58 | znf | I still have = bound to SWD |
| 04:23.05 | znf | and MF on 8 |
| 04:23.06 | Stanzilla | what |
| 04:23.09 | znf | because I played on laptop for ~3 years |
| 04:23.12 | Stanzilla | I hope you press that with mouse buttons |
| 04:23.20 | znf | nope! |
| 04:23.31 | znf | it's the only class I play that weird because I got used to it :( |
| 04:23.33 | Stanzilla | never complain about bad dps ever again |
| 04:23.37 | Amarande | heh I remember that always being fun in WoW |
| 04:23.50 | znf | any other class, I never go past "5" for keybinds |
| 04:23.52 | znf | yet for shadow... |
| 04:23.57 | Amarande | trying to find enough hot keys to bind everything to without needing to go sit in a nuclear plant till I grow extra fingers |
| 04:24.16 | znf | it still feels like I need more buttons for Shadow than for Feral for example :-| |
| 04:24.27 | Amarande | You probably do. |
| 04:24.30 | znf | the only class I play and that I constantly find myself needing more buttons is elemental shaman |
| 04:24.31 | Amarande | BTW, how's shadow working out nowadays? |
| 04:24.40 | Amarande | I remember it being the butt monkey tier in MoP |
| 04:24.41 | znf | it's weird; we don't use dots anymore |
| 04:24.49 | Stanzilla | single target is fine |
| 04:24.52 | Stanzilla | rest sucks |
| 04:24.55 | znf | well, we do, but for like ~20s |
| 04:25.14 | znf | yeah, as long as we can stay still and not move and there's only one mob to hit, we're awesome |
| 04:25.15 | Amarande | shadow word pain isn't in rotation anymore? |
| 04:25.16 | Stanzilla | oh well, 2 targets is fine, too |
| 04:25.31 | znf | There's only one lvl100 talent that is viable dps-wise |
| 04:25.36 | Amarande | znf: sounds an awful lot like my class in FFXIV :( |
| 04:25.37 | znf | And that talent makes you not use dots |
| 04:25.40 | Stanzilla | (in this instance) |
| 04:25.40 | Amarande | "as long as we can stay still and not move" |
| 04:25.53 | Stanzilla | (next instance will be a different lvl 100 talent) |
| 04:26.13 | znf | which can't come soon enough!1 |
| 04:26.20 | Amarande | oh dear. I thought Blizzard had done away with that problem a while ago |
| 04:26.30 | Amarande | the one of "only one talent set is any good" |
| 04:26.36 | Amarande | that's why we dropped talent trees to begin with, isn't it? |
| 04:26.37 | znf | no, right now it's |
| 04:26.47 | znf | "this raid has shit gear, deal with it, sorry" |
| 04:26.52 | Amarande | (far as I know, only TOR and LOTRO still use those ... ironically LOTRO actually adopted it in their latest expansion) |
| 04:27.09 | znf | different talents require different secondary stats |
| 04:27.29 | Amarande | ah that's right ... 6.0 killed most secondary stat flexibilities |
| 04:27.53 | Amarande | no more reforging, and basically gear is purely take what you get like olden times now that justice/valor are gone right? |
| 04:28.20 | znf | there's apexis crystals |
| 04:28.57 | znf | but there's only like 1 choice of gear from it (for each piece) |
| 04:29.13 | Amarande | mainhand included this time around or are those still strictly instance dropped? |
| 04:29.15 | znf | and at least for Clothies, all of them have versatility, which is arguably the worst stat ever put in this game |
| 04:29.21 | znf | no weapons, no trinkets |
| 04:29.23 | znf | always been like that |
| 04:29.29 | znf | those are crafted |
| 04:29.44 | Amarande | ah so blacksmithing is still worth it then :) |
| 04:29.56 | znf | kind of |
| 04:30.02 | znf | but you are always 10ilvls behind |
| 04:30.17 | znf | like, everythin crafted was 640 (to start with), but weapons were 630 (again, to start with) |
| 04:30.26 | Amarande | ah |
| 04:30.27 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:30.35 | Amarande | can I hit mobs over the head with that damn bag of gold we always keep getting? :) |
| 04:30.56 | znf | oh, right, I forgot I got a BoE trinket last night from salvage yard |
| 04:31.01 | znf | I wonder if I should use it or sell it |
| 04:33.20 | Stanzilla | sell |
| 04:33.39 | Stanzilla | cant upgrade it => worthless |
| 04:33.40 | znf | Yeah, 53k |
| 04:33.44 | Stanzilla | also not that great for shadow anyway |
| 04:33.51 | znf | Well, I have a 655 trinket now |
| 04:33.54 | znf | From twins |
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| 05:54.22 | Kasc34723 | Anyone have a good resource for learning about in game UI (frame creationg etc.)? I've found some stuff but it's mostly outdated or hasn't been updated for a while. |
| 05:56.55 | Iriel | Kasc34723: bear in mind the UI infrastructure is pretty stable - not updated in a while isnât necessarily a sign itâs wrong. |
| 05:57.06 | Kasc34723 | Specifically, is it 'better' to design UI with XML or LUA? Or is it just personal preference? |
| 05:57.07 | Iriel | Thereâs wowprogramming.com |
| 05:57.16 | Iriel | In my opinion itâs preference |
| 05:57.43 | Iriel | I find all-lua makes dynamic elements somewhat easier to work with in the long run |
| 05:57.44 | pompy1 | ~wowprogramming |
| 05:57.44 | purl | methinks wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 05:57.50 | Simca | I would say the majority use Lua |
| 05:57.52 | pompy1 | ^ Kasc34723 |
| 05:58.19 | Kasc34723 | I don't mean interacting with the wow lua API, I'm meaning designing your frames' appearance, sorry if that isn't clear |
| 05:58.25 | Simca | but there are some cases where XML may make more sense, particularly with multi-layered frames |
| 05:58.47 | Kasc34723 | atm I've been sticking to command based stuff because I could concentrate on functionality |
| 05:58.58 | Iriel | Kasc34723: I think we understood your meaning (I did, at any rate) |
| 05:59.06 | Kasc34723 | Ah ok :p |
| 06:00.46 | Simca | i think the reason a lot stick to pure Lua is just that it is extra learning that they don't necessarily have to do. The XML attributes all have their own naming schemes which don't always match up perfectly with the Lua functions, and you'll usually end up learning the Lua functions even if you code the UI almost purely in XML due to the need to modify frames on the fly. |
| 06:00.50 | Kasc34723 | I'm glad that it's more based on personal preference as I'm not a fan of XML, especially since I do everything in Notepad++ so it's always a pain to write out |
| 06:01.54 | Simca | N++ users united |
| 06:11.02 | Kasc34723 | Any addon suggestions for quickly writing/testing code within the game? |
| 06:11.18 | Simca | there's a few but I think WowLua is the most popular atm |
| 06:11.38 | Kasc34723 | Using /run atm which has it's drawbacks :p |
| 06:11.40 | Gethe | i used to use N++, but switched to sublime abot a year ago |
| 06:11.42 | Simca | does saving/loading and outputs to its own log |
| 06:11.44 | Kasc34723 | thanks, I'll check it out |
| 06:12.18 | Neffi | Kasc34723: also check out wowpedia.org/API |
| 06:12.24 | Simca | Gethe: yeah I use both technically. I use a LOT of regex and they both have their pros and cons. |
| 06:12.26 | Neffi | wowprogramming is good two. best keep both bookmarked |
| 06:12.43 | Neffi | this is all user maintained. some sites have more details on certain things, or missing others. |
| 06:12.51 | Gethe | fair enough |
| 06:13.23 | Neffi | also I prefer Devpad over WowLua |
| 06:13.39 | Neffi | it also doubles as a notepad, and you can set scripts to auto-run on login |
| 06:13.43 | Simca | N++ crashes horribly if you try to do complicated regex replacements with over 200k lines. Sublime can handle it, but its speed is terrible for smaller replacements (say 10k-50k). |
| 06:14.22 | Neffi | 200k lines? geez |
| 06:14.42 | Semlar | that's quite a pattern |
| 06:14.46 | Neffi | in my experience both are rock solid. I've never been able to bog down either |
| 06:15.10 | Simca | I've crashed N++ at least 50 times with regex patterns |
| 06:15.21 | Neffi | NP++ can open all of framexml pretty darned quickly (a few sec) and "find in all open files" happens almost instantaneously for all of that |
| 06:15.23 | Semlar | have you considered writing better patterns |
| 06:15.27 | Neffi | which is over 200k lines |
| 06:15.34 | Neffi | (~175 of just .lua) |
| 06:15.58 | Simca | Semlar: I work with what I got, which in most cases is something that can barely be called data |
| 06:18.12 | Simca | setting up a wow listfile for a bruteforce tool I use involves replacing all of the numbers with {09} (wow listfile being a 500k line file at this point) and even that can cause issues sometimes |
| 06:21.57 | Iriel | Simca: canât you get some sed or perl scripts to do the heavy lifting rather than forcing your editor to do it? |
| 06:22.20 | Dagmar | Truly |
| 06:23.05 | Simca | well the entire point of a multipurpose editor is fulfill all purposes for editing text files. if it can't handle heavy lifting and I have to use scripts, that kind of defeats the purpose |
| 06:23.53 | Iriel | I dont know, I think just because a tool can be used for many jobs, it doesnât mean itâs the right tool for every job |
| 06:24.07 | Simca | true |
| 06:24.34 | Simca | but this is text editing and this is the year 2015. something inside me says "this program should be able to do what a command line app from the 80s can do" |
| 06:24.53 | plaw | Iriel: except for emacs! |
| 06:25.02 | Simca | gd emacs |
| 06:25.14 | Iriel | plaw: I <3 emacs, but I still use stream processing for massive data files |
| 06:25.24 | Iriel | No point loading the damn thing into memory |
| 06:25.37 | Iriel | (the file, not emacs - emacs is already going to be open) |
| 06:25.41 | plaw | you should send them a patch |
| 06:25.55 | plaw | https://tolkieneditor.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/i-have-recut-peter-jacksons-hobbit-trilogy-into-a-single-4-hour-film/ |
| 06:25.59 | Neffi | Simca: well your editor probably has the ability to execute an external script and then reload the buffer, no? |
| 06:26.13 | Neffi | so you could get the best of both worlds with a little config |
| 06:26.14 | Simca | my university's computer science department forces remote-shell emacs use on people |
| 06:26.26 | Simca | it's awful |
| 06:26.36 | Iriel | Sounds enlightened 8-) |
| 06:27.01 | Simca | the obscure shortcuts, the lack of mouse use, it's all completely pointless because nobody would waste their time doing that in the real world |
| 06:27.05 | Neffi | plaw: I saw that earlier. Got it downloaded. Totally iffy. |
| 06:27.14 | Iriel | I use it every day in the real world |
| 06:27.17 | Neffi | As a somewhat big Tolkien fan, the movies were a huge disappointment as-is |
| 06:27.39 | Simca | sane people, i mean :) |
| 06:27.50 | Iriel | But iâve been using it for, let me see, 23 years now |
| 06:27.50 | Neffi | kek |
| 06:28.22 | Neffi | I'm with you, Simca. I like my GUI editors. I like obvious UI design. I like using my mouse. |
| 06:28.22 | Simca | I've spent a total of 4 hours trying to stop emacs from enabling autofill mode by default now |
| 06:29.17 | Simca | but there are multiple config files and different levels of loading, and no matter how hard I try, autofill finds a way |
| 06:30.48 | Simca | i'll trade those four hours of my life back for a freaking options box where I can uncheck autofill mode any day of the week |
| 06:32.48 | Iriel | Simca: plain emacs install, or someoneâs package? |
| 06:33.03 | Simca | CS department's package |
| 06:33.24 | Simca | I've tried every variety of hook i can think of, on everything I can find with google |
| 06:34.07 | Iriel | It /should/ be this simple: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9878623/how-can-i-disable-auto-fill-mode-in-emacs |
| 06:36.24 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/z8Ii1BL.png |
| 06:36.54 | Simca | none of it works, as you can see, it's still enabled even in that SS |
| 06:37.15 | Iriel | How annoying. |
| 06:37.27 | Iriel | Thatâd drive me batty too |
| 06:38.04 | Simca | yeaaaaaah |
| 06:41.36 | Iriel | Dont hold that against emacs, itâs the fault of whoever configured that install |
| 06:42.00 | Iriel | Mine starts up without auto-fill (and I havenât had to force it off in my .emacs.d)( |
| 06:47.26 | Simca | well at least i know where to rage now |
| 06:47.39 | Simca | I just assumed it was emacs' fault |
| 06:47.49 | Dagmar | I'm just relieved IntelliJ doesn't use it |
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| 07:01.14 | Kasc34723 | Thanks for the help earlier, have to go now! :) |
| 07:02.35 | awestroke | which of the dev tools are currently supported in wowuiland? AddOn Studio 2010? cogwheel's luawow? findglobals? wowbench? |
| 07:02.53 | awestroke | because they all seem dead |
| 07:03.04 | Neffi | they probably all are |
| 07:03.33 | Semlar | dev tools? |
| 07:04.08 | awestroke | Semlar: would you want be to use some other nomenclature?? |
| 07:04.08 | Neffi | you seem to be spending a lot of time focusing on development tools |
| 07:04.16 | awestroke | Neffi: me? |
| 07:04.23 | awestroke | what do you base that on? |
| 07:04.25 | Neffi | get a decent text editor, something in-game like devpad, and have at wowprogramming and wowpedia |
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| 07:04.28 | tz | I use wow as a development tool |
| 07:04.37 | Neffi | was it not you who asked a day or so ago about dev tools? |
| 07:04.42 | awestroke | no |
| 07:04.48 | Neffi | oh, hmm, nvm then |
| 07:05.09 | awestroke | I am just tired of reloading my UI for several seconds only to be greeted with a syntax error |
| 07:05.21 | awestroke | so I'd like to check for that before I reload |
| 07:06.41 | Neffi | you could use a linter or run your script to luac/lua to make sure it compiles fine |
| 07:09.17 | Semlar | does the cat on kargath take additional damage while it's on fire |
| 07:10.28 | awestroke | Semlar: which cat? |
| 07:11.11 | Semlar | the only cats in the fight |
| 07:11.21 | Semlar | ravenous bloodmaw |
| 07:12.11 | nebula169 | Semlar: yes |
| 07:12.23 | Semlar | how much? |
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| 07:12.46 | Semlar | or do you know what the debuff is called |
| 07:14.35 | nebula169 | looks like there's no debuff for it, not sure how much |
| 07:14.51 | Semlar | it's 50% i found it |
| 07:14.56 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=163130/inflamed |
| 07:15.40 | nebula169 | ah, didn't see it on wcl, which is all different now |
| 07:15.40 | Semlar | i actually had one run like halfway across the arena while it was disoriented instead of running in circles |
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| 07:16.50 | Semlar | so i had an idea for addon for the twins fight |
| 07:17.14 | Semlar | that would give you a map of the room, or maybe just a circle graphic |
| 07:17.33 | Semlar | and when the axes came out you would click roughly where one of them landed |
| 07:17.45 | Semlar | and it would tell you the safest place to stand |
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| 07:19.29 | Semlar | i believe it could calculate the position of all of the fire as long as it knows where one of the axes landed |
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| 07:21.50 | Semlar | just a thought, anyway |
| 07:22.35 | Semlar | do you know if the axes snap to certain positions on the circle or if they can land literally anywhere |
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| 07:34.21 | Semlar | meh, it looks like they can spawn anywhere |
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| 07:54.13 | Semlar | also that prot paladin nerf didn't really have much impact on their damage |
| 08:00.38 | Semlar | ours went down about 5% on the butcher |
| 08:02.22 | Neffi | you should go down more than 5% Semlar |
| 08:02.31 | Semlar | neffi |
| 08:02.42 | Semlar | that was uncouth |
| 08:02.59 | Neffi | I'm sorry |
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| 08:15.08 | awestroke | how many trade skill specials (burnished leather, hexweave cloth, gearspring parts, taladite, truesteel ingot) do you get from the daily CD at max skill? |
| 08:16.13 | awestroke | I figured 8, but I suspect I am wrong |
| 08:20.25 | tz | 10 |
| 08:21.52 | nevcairiel | ya, its 10 |
| 08:22.22 | nevcairiel | i still wonder whatever happend to the max level tradeskill cooldown with charges |
| 08:22.27 | nevcairiel | it just vanished shortly after launch |
| 08:24.08 | awestroke | I suspect they found it does not encourage logging in every single day like the current system |
| 08:24.45 | nevcairiel | its only reason for existing was to allow not logging on every day :p |
| 08:25.06 | nevcairiel | garrion work orders also allow a backlog of a couple days |
| 08:25.19 | nevcairiel | so it made sense to have it there as well |
| 08:25.55 | nevcairiel | i bet someone found a way to exploit it and they removed it |
| 08:25.58 | nevcairiel | damn exploiters! |
| 08:26.17 | sb | blame znf! |
| 08:26.27 | nevcairiel | i do! |
| 08:27.02 | znf | sb: you should really stop highlighting people at these hours |
| 08:27.20 | sb | sorry, got a phone call 3 hours ago :o |
| 08:27.22 | nevcairiel | its 9:30 in the morning, thats normal highlighting hours |
| 08:27.36 | sb | do you really wake up from highlighting? |
| 08:27.42 | znf | Sometimes |
| 08:27.52 | nebula169 | weirdo |
| 08:27.55 | nevcairiel | good to know |
| 08:27.57 | znf | I wasn't sleeping now... I was sleeping for yesterday |
| 08:27.58 | nevcairiel | i shall use that |
| 08:28.32 | znf | And yes, you did wake me up yesterday |
| 08:29.28 | sb | interesting |
| 08:41.35 | nevcairiel | is today (or was yesterday) some stupid US holiday that I'm not aware of, or what happend to all my tv shows? |
| 08:42.12 | Fisker | No Simpsons etc. |
| 08:42.15 | Fisker | Dunno why |
| 08:42.19 | Semlar | it was martin luther king day |
| 08:42.57 | Semlar | a national holiday but i don't know how much it would affect programming |
| 08:43.01 | Fisker | Oh that's why the mlk/anal fisting joke was linked |
| 09:00.00 | Mr_Rabies | there's a guy named Zucchini Nicchini in this new Gundam show |
| 09:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | 11/10 |
| 09:25.04 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: US presidential "state of the union" address |
| 09:27.29 | Fisker | Oh |
| 09:27.57 | Fisker | tacklehugs Cairenn |
| 09:28.41 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 11:54.55 | Torhal | Exploding Kittens at $1.6mil now, with 29 days to go. |
| 12:01.49 | Maldivia | yeah, it's insane :) |
| 12:06.53 | haste | wonder what the stretch goals will be |
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| 12:16.38 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker did you hear about Halo? |
| 12:16.42 | Fisker | no |
| 12:16.45 | Fisker | Console game |
| 12:16.53 | karl_w_w | microsoft said you can make videos about Halo |
| 12:17.00 | karl_w_w | but you can't put Halo in the title |
| 12:19.23 | karl_w_w | or in other words, "we want our videos to be the first search results" |
| 12:19.54 | karl_w_w | or in other words, "we're scared of critical opinions" |
| 12:20.02 | karl_w_w | or in other words, "Halo is bad" |
| 12:20.29 | Casceh | Hello guys quick query, I'm wanting to add item bonus ids to the item tooltip, is there a better way to do it than I'm thinking: OnUpdate, see if GameTooltip:GetItem() returns an item link, if so, look for bonus ids in the item link and add the ids to the tooltip. Couldn't find a better event to check for. |
| 12:24.03 | nevcairiel | there should be a OnTooltipSetItem or something |
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| 12:24.11 | nebula169 | yea, just hook OnTooltipSetItem |
| 12:25.10 | nebula169 | for ItemRefTooltip and GameTooltip |
| 12:29.33 | Semlar | you're adding a bonus id to every item tooltip? |
| 12:30.32 | Casceh | Thanks Nebula169. Semlar: Only if it has bonuses, but yes |
| 12:34.21 | Casceh | Does :HookScript() add a new script, or replace an existing one? If I called it 3 times, could I add 3 different functions to the hook? |
| 12:35.46 | nebula169 | it adds it if there is no script, otherwise it's a post hook |
| 12:35.52 | Torhal | Casceh: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/HookScript |
| 12:35.57 | nevcairiel | hookscript kind of replaces the existing one with a wrapper that calls your script after the original, so if you hook multiple times, there is multiple wrappers |
| 12:36.01 | Semlar | calling it 3 times will add 3 hooks |
| 12:36.20 | nevcairiel | if you know you want 3 hooks, you might be better off using your own dispatching |
| 12:36.40 | Casceh | I just wanted to make sure I wasn't breaking another addon :p |
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| 12:41.19 | Casceh | Got it, thanks guys! |
| 12:48.42 | karl_w_w | this grey goo game that's coming out looks interesting |
| 12:49.03 | karl_w_w | RTS from the command and conquer people |
| 12:53.25 | Fisker | oh boy karl_w_w |
| 12:53.36 | Fisker | 4/7 arcane nullifier vs. mage as a shaman |
| 12:53.57 | Fisker | Unless you have two flamestrikes back to back you're not getting through :3 |
| 12:54.36 | Fisker | He even used 2 fireballs and a polymorph because he ran vaporize |
| 12:55.10 | Fisker | Then when I had laughed at all the resources he used against 2-4 mana creatures I just buffed my totem and got it vaporized :D |
| 12:55.24 | Fisker | When I faceless manipulator'ed it he just conceded |
| 12:56.04 | Fisker | And yes Starcraft 3...Grey Goo looks interesting |
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| 14:24.53 | karl_w_w | i didnt know starcraft had grey goo in it |
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| 15:06.02 | Gnarfoz | how do I rephrase "What is it the entrance to?" so there isn't a preposition at the end of the sentence? :\ |
| 15:07.30 | Gnarfoz | I considered "Where does it lead?", but since it's a tunnel entrance, people might try the name of the place where the tunnel exit is. I want to get "tunnel" as the answer. |
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| 15:30.52 | karl_w_w | "To what is it the entrance?" is the correct way to write it |
| 15:30.57 | karl_w_w | but it's pretty dry |
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| 15:34.55 | Gnarfoz | haste: your ingress stat thing password reset... it does nothing! |
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| 15:53.14 | haste | Gnarfoz: I might not have implemented that feature :D |
| 15:53.27 | haste | or actually I have |
| 15:54.00 | haste | it did try to send you a mail at least |
| 16:03.42 | Gnarfoz | znf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_the_Red_Mirror |
| 16:03.57 | haste | I can send you the reset link if you need it btw :) |
| 16:04.25 | znf | Gnarfoz, only MP3/320 |
| 16:08.39 | Gnarfoz | haste: http://i.imgur.com/lydecWj.png |
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| 16:08.46 | Gnarfoz | znf: that's certainly good enough |
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| 16:08.55 | Gnarfoz | google music is lower quality probably |
| 16:09.02 | haste | Gnarfoz: might be due to the mail server |
| 16:09.45 | haste | had to change it "temporarily" and never got to fixing it again :P |
| 16:12.49 | Gnarfoz | haste: yeah, this doesn't look particularly trustworthy http://haste.db6.org/ocinuxaqus.txt ^^ |
| 16:13.30 | haste | yeah I know :( |
| 16:13.44 | haste | might move tie.rs onto another VPS |
| 16:13.51 | haste | problem is I need CPU power :P |
| 16:14.20 | Gnarfoz | vps suck |
| 16:14.38 | haste | actually dedicated and not vps :P |
| 16:14.45 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/DyJAc |
| 16:17.34 | Gnarfoz | well, why did you say vps then! |
| 16:17.55 | haste | Gnarfoz: let me know if it fucks up the OCR |
| 16:18.37 | Gnarfoz | haste: I had to manually reload the progress page after uploading (I had visited it a minute before uploading, it was still showing the old bars afterwards) |
| 16:19.10 | haste | there's no automatic reload there (or anywhere else) |
| 16:19.29 | haste | upload page should really redirect to progress or profile as well |
| 16:20.10 | Gnarfoz | no, I didn't mean I left it open and it didn't reload (I didn't expect that), but I visited it after uploading and it was still showing the old bars |
| 16:21.30 | haste | and it didn't show the blue box? strange |
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| 16:28.43 | Gnarfoz | what's in the baaaawks?! |
| 16:28.55 | Lopeppeppy | Someone's head, IIRC. |
| 16:28.58 | haste | yep |
| 16:29.10 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 16:30.32 | Thunder_Child | Which head? |
| 16:30.46 | Fisker | tugglehacks Lopeppeppy |
| 16:31.05 | Thunder_Child | something something Lorena Bobbitt |
| 16:31.42 | Gnarfoz | his wife's! |
| 16:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Fiskerboo. |
| 16:36.29 | pompy1 | http://www.pcgamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-drops-subscription/ |
| 16:36.51 | znf | what a shocker |
| 16:43.57 | Gnarfoz | I'm so shocked |
| 16:49.00 | Fisker | I'm Emmett Brown shocked |
| 16:50.39 | Simca | buy to play - interesting |
| 16:51.45 | Simca | GW2 is one of the few modern MMOs that I'd consider successful and it uses that model (plus a cash shop) |
| 16:52.06 | Gnarfoz | I was just going to say "that's what GW2 does" |
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| 17:07.47 | fewyn | http://news.microsoft.com/windows10story/ |
| 17:16.35 | fewyn | Free Windows 10 for Windows 7 customers for first year. That's a big deal. |
| 17:16.41 | fewyn | http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-10-event-live-blog/ |
| 17:16.45 | fewyn | since the stream is crashed |
| 17:20.49 | Ressy | thats different.. |
| 17:25.12 | Fisker | hey Ressy |
| 17:26.49 | Ressy | hais Fisker |
| 17:27.00 | Fisker | :P |
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| 17:45.39 | VIad | ugh worst garison week rewards ever |
| 17:45.56 | VIad | weapon upgrade? I got like a stack of 20 per weapon and armor upgrade from salvaging atm |
| 17:46.08 | VIad | new follower? I got all mine maxed, epic and at 100 :P |
| 17:46.18 | VIad | item that makes follower epic? too late |
| 17:48.08 | nevcairiel | anyone that actually cares recruits new followers all the time to get a more effective setup, where both items come in handy =p |
| 17:48.42 | VIad | foxlit's addon already benches like 6 followers :P |
| 17:48.56 | nevcairiel | which only means you have bad combos! |
| 17:49.13 | VIad | it means that the missions that matter have 100% chance to be done with fewer followers :D |
| 17:49.53 | nevcairiel | there will always be new missions :d |
| 17:51.05 | VIad | this is supposed to keep me busy, like raids, dungeons, e.g. but when the thing provided is useless at this stage... yeah :p |
| 17:51.26 | VIad | thoug I am sure it is supposed to be a nice "oh nice!" reward |
| 17:51.44 | VIad | probably works for the casuals that didn't do much garison stuff to level their followers |
| 17:52.17 | nevcairiel | i have like 40 epic 100 followers as well, but despite master plan claiming that everything is fine, i know where my roster has holes and may need patching :p |
| 17:53.26 | VIad | wish I could use 10k garison resources to increase active follower limit by 1 :P |
| 18:04.21 | pompy1 | im not a fan of the 20 or 25 active follower limit! |
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| 18:07.10 | nevcairiel | you dont really need more then the 20 or 25 |
| 18:07.35 | zenzelezz | "Windows 10 free for all Windows 8.1 and 7 users for first year after release" - guess they're hoping to get the people who didn't want Windows 8 to move on |
| 18:09.57 | VIad | zenzelezz: awesome :D I got 7 so do I get upgrade or the proper full format version? I hate upgrade versions. |
| 18:10.02 | VIad | I rather format and install fresh ^^ |
| 18:10.13 | VIad | (got w7 OEM disc myself) |
| 18:10.59 | zenzelezz | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/windows-10-free-for-all-windows-8-1-and-windows-7-users-for-first-year/ - all I know so far |
| 18:11.26 | Kesava | OT: are they going to make it so that using a shortcut actually opens the game rather just opening the battle.net client on its' page at some point or what |
| 18:11.47 | VIad | we'll see |
| 18:11.48 | zenzelezz | I sure hope so. I hate that |
| 18:12.24 | Kesava | indeed |
| 18:12.51 | nevcairiel | i think you can actually make a shortcut that launches the game |
| 18:13.15 | Kesava | well yes but then you have to log in again |
| 18:14.08 | karl_w_w | hey VIad, I found this amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xewX9_kM6U |
| 18:14.40 | karl_w_w | to be able to play perfect storm and explain exactly what he is doing while he is doing it |
| 18:14.43 | VIad | what does it mean karl_w_w, "unmuted"? |
| 18:15.10 | karl_w_w | i think the version on twitch was muted cos it had licensed music |
| 18:15.19 | karl_w_w | the vod |
| 18:15.25 | VIad | got it |
| 18:16.47 | VIad | it's nice |
| 18:42.21 | foxlit | hots pricing is... weirdly unappealing. |
| 18:46.11 | karl_w_w | because it's modelled after league pricing |
| 18:47.57 | karl_w_w | paying to play the hero you want is just ridiculous |
| 19:00.24 | Thunder_Child | No, it means you have to earn it. |
| 19:02.02 | karl_w_w | that too is ridiculous |
| 19:02.15 | Thunder_Child | Right, everything should be handed to you. |
| 19:02.30 | karl_w_w | that's correct |
| 19:02.37 | karl_w_w | it's meant to be a level playing field |
| 19:02.50 | karl_w_w | you earn things during the game not before it |
| 19:02.56 | karl_w_w | it's not an MMO |
| 19:03.52 | Thunder_Child | Not being able to play a particular character does not make the playing field 'unleveled.' |
| 19:04.32 | karl_w_w | sure it does |
| 19:05.06 | karl_w_w | there will always be heroes that suit people more than others, whether through playstyle or practice |
| 19:05.28 | karl_w_w | if your heroes are out of rotation and the other team's are in, you're at a disadvantage |
| 19:07.14 | fewyn | this is why i bought the only hero i like to play |
| 19:07.20 | fewyn | gazlowe 4 lyfe |
| 19:13.41 | p3lim | https://i.imgur.com/FaKGCEx.jpg lol |
| 19:43.00 | Kesava | MysticalOS2: 4x DBM-Core\DBM-Core.lua:5898: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got nil) |
| 19:43.08 | Kesava | MysticalOS2: /dbm doesn't open etc |
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| 19:45.50 | Kesava | MysticalOS2: also i use that dbm profiles addon. that might be it. |
| 19:46.24 | Kesava | 6.0.11 works fine though. |
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| 20:16.20 | jleclanche | kd3: whats the 6.1 toc? |
| 20:19.54 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 20:19.54 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml . |
| 20:20.28 | Neffi | jleclanche: http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/builds says it's 60000 still |
| 20:37.32 | MysticalOS2 | it's DBM-Profiles Kesava |
| 20:37.42 | Kesava | ah. i see |
| 20:37.45 | MysticalOS2 | 6.0.12 did substancial refactoring to add it's own profiles support, so major conflict |
| 20:37.54 | Kesava | kay. ty :D |
| 20:38.33 | Kesava | sorry, was starting raid so i didn't check |
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| 20:40.16 | Eol | Is there a particular way to decrease the "sensitivity" of /fstack? I'm trying to find the name of a particular very thin element that I can't quite seem to hover over |
| 20:46.19 | foxlit | no; write your own /fstack. |
| 20:47.54 | Eol | source for fstack is somewhere? |
| 20:49.45 | foxlit | You might not have access to it. Write your own /fstack from first principles! |
| 20:50.19 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/acp.jpg << what could you be on about, Addon Control Panel? |
| 20:50.59 | Fisker | One of the garrison addons caused that for me |
| 20:55.03 | foxlit | The use of scary colors seems to be entirely nonsensical; the addon itself is actually loaded. |
| 20:56.42 | Fisker | Oh |
| 20:57.11 | Fisker | I didn't care didn't use the other addon after your updates |
| 21:06.45 | foxlit | sylvanaar: ^ LoD addons really shouldn't be that scary. |
| 21:41.20 | pompy1 | http://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg nsfw (language) |
| 21:42.20 | pompy1 | and nsfw- kinda video too! |
| 21:50.24 | nevcairiel | haha that video is great |
| 21:50.25 | nevcairiel | but old |
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| 22:34.56 | sylvanaar | foxlit: that color is supposed to just mean that it wasn't loaded I think. not totally sure, the tooltip has more info sometimes |
| 22:35.10 | foxlit | in this case, it was loaded. |
| 22:35.31 | sylvanaar | does the tooltip say anything |
| 22:36.31 | sylvanaar | it may be a bug, hard to say for sure though |
| 22:37.08 | foxlit | author/version/notes/status: only loadable on demand/dependencies/memory usage |
| 22:38.45 | sylvanaar | I'd have to look at the code, it could be the api saying it isn't loadable. |
| 22:39.46 | sylvanaar | that's my first suspicion at least. |
| 22:40.26 | foxlit | I think you're checking against GetAddOnInfo, which simply doesn't update. |
| 22:40.57 | foxlit | or semantics of some return value changed from "can I load this?" to something like "was this loaded at startup?" |
| 22:41.08 | sylvanaar | yeah, exactly |
| 22:41.23 | sylvanaar | that's my thinking too |
| 22:42.59 | Fisker | I think in my case it actually didn't load |
| 22:43.09 | Fisker | Otherwise I wouldn't have noticed |
| 22:43.29 | Fisker | But it's been a few weeks |
| 22:43.41 | foxlit | I kind of had another problem that could be triggered by addons running LoadAddOn("MasterPlan") [who would ever do that?] |
| 22:44.15 | foxlit | flagged it was LoD and LoadsWith garrisonUI, but didn't mark GarrisonUI as an explicit dependency, so if you insisted, you could load MP before GarrisonUI and have it blow up in your face. |
| 22:48.05 | Fisker | Boom |
| 22:48.43 | Fisker | I figured what was happening was one of the addons specifically doing something with the other it shouldn't |
| 22:48.55 | Fisker | Hence just deleting it was easy peasy |
| 22:52.21 | Amarande | well foxlit, there's always someone. just like someday I fully expect that I'll encounter a counterfeit $50 bill where someone bleached a hundred and printed a fifty on it, just for the sake of watching our brains asplode when we hold it up to the light and look at the security stripe :) |
| 23:03.18 | Amarande | and yeah, it would be distinctly odd for some random addon to load some other specific addon by name like that |
| 23:08.03 | Neffi | lol http://imgur.com/gallery/mIOLd |
| 23:15.40 | jleclanche | "Regardless, I strongly suspect the game only made 100 times the Kickstarter goal (and counting) because of [...] the "LOL we're so random! Holds up spork!" brigade who would pay to contract ebola if someone just renamed it "Pirate Ninja Walrus Disease"" |
| 23:17.12 | Amarande | Neffi: reminds me of Aurora/Eos' lover in Greco-Roman myth |
| 23:17.21 | Amarande | she asked for him to be immortal, but forgot to ask for eternal youth ... |
| 23:17.39 | Neffi | ha |
| 23:21.17 | Simca | the 5th one down is oddly out of place |
| 23:21.27 | Simca | like this image was made in the 50s |
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