| 00:03.19 | Primer | Anyhow, that wikipedia page doesn't cover the scene in which Mr. Scott tells Geordie LaForge about how to deal with captains. When Picard asked LaForge how long something would take, LaForge answered honestly, to which Mr. Scott said "You never tell the captain how long something will actually take! You give them a longer estimate, and then get it done in half the time. That way you maintain your reputation as a miracle-worker" |
| 00:03.30 | Primer | That's always stuck with me |
| 00:05.04 | Primer | crickets... |
| 00:05.10 | Eol | Well, that is spread throughout various things "underpromise, overdeliver" |
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| 00:14.32 | Shirik | oh damn it |
| 00:14.36 | Shirik | I knew that espisode |
| 00:14.48 | Shirik | I should have been able to recognize it :( |
| 00:14.53 | Thunder_Child | You mean you 'know it'? |
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| 00:16.13 | Shirik | I don't think that's the right verb tense |
| 00:16.38 | Shirik | It's "referencing the present from the past" |
| 00:17.46 | Shirik | "I had known" I think that's the right tense |
| 00:17.54 | Shirik | past perfect |
| 00:18.20 | Thunder_Child | So you no longer know? |
| 00:18.41 | Shirik | but you're trying to say "At that time, I knew this" without any indication of whether or not I know now |
| 00:18.47 | Shirik | What I know now is irrelevant |
| 00:19.32 | Thunder_Child | Except that to say "At that time, I knew this" you would have to know now about it. Otherwise you could not reference it. |
| 00:19.48 | Shirik | you've never forgotten anything? |
| 00:20.33 | Shirik | regardless, "I know X" makes no reference to the past, so it doesn't answer the question of "did you know it when that question was asked" |
| 00:21.45 | Thunder_Child | How would I know that I had forgotten something if I did not remember it at the moment the question was asked? |
| 00:24.18 | Shirik | what |
| 00:24.27 | Shirik | you can't make grammatical decisions based off the definition of a word |
| 00:24.58 | Shirik | ok I asked my lit major friend |
| 00:25.06 | Shirik | "I had known" would imply you no longer knew now. "I had knew" is just wrong. "I know" is right grammaticaly, but doesn't make the point you want to make. "I knew X", with vocal emphasis on "knew" is what I'd go for |
| 00:25.58 | pompy | fewyn: limited maybe, but https://turnpikeinfo.com/index.php |
| 00:26.00 | pompy | https://turnpikeinfo.com/index-beta.php |
| 00:26.24 | fewyn | yeah that's turnpike only |
| 00:26.29 | pompy | yeah |
| 00:26.31 | fewyn | there doesn't seem to be one site with them all |
| 00:27.16 | fewyn | i'd have to look them all up and i'm not /that/ worried about it |
| 00:27.59 | pompy | http://beta.costtodrive.com/us-tolls/ some app |
| 00:28.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: So, it sounds like the litteral was correct. |
| 00:28.44 | Thunder_Child | Literal* |
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| 00:29.52 | fewyn | i discovered mapquest tells you an estimate of gas costs for trips and it even averages gas prices along the route |
| 00:30.45 | pompy | yeah and for gas, there's also: http://www.gasbuddy.com/Trip_Calculator.aspx |
| 00:31.27 | fewyn | that's probably where they get it from |
| 00:38.00 | fewyn | that's actually super cool pompy |
| 00:38.07 | fewyn | it tells you when you should stop for gas |
| 00:38.14 | fewyn | to save the most money |
| 00:38.24 | fewyn | like if i stop where they say i supposedly save 9 dollars |
| 00:39.41 | pompy | sweet. |
| 00:39.55 | fewyn | like 52$ in gas to get me back to ohio |
| 00:40.03 | fewyn | after the 9 dollars saved |
| 00:40.11 | fewyn | so that's actually apretty large margin |
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| 01:13.31 | foxlit | psst, even more http://www.townlong-yak.com/master-plan/data/ would be awesome. |
| 01:30.39 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: How new does my version need to be for that? |
| 01:30.57 | foxlit | it's a separate addon. |
| 01:32.08 | Eol | What does gathering this data help with? |
| 01:33.01 | foxlit | The same thing we do every night, Pinky. |
| 01:34.12 | foxlit | (more seriously, I want to check that MoI projected success chances match up with reality, and this helps establish what "reality" is) |
| 01:35.59 | Eol | Do you have any data suggesting that a 100% mission can fail? Or is it a bunch of lies |
| 01:37.37 | foxlit | I have no data about mission outcomes at all. |
| 01:37.46 | pompy | http://www.wsj.com/articles/google-makes-changes-to-its-glass-project-1421343901?mod=LS1 |
| 01:38.29 | Simca_ | lmk if you find any flaws in my formulas or assumptions, foxlit |
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| 01:39.44 | Simca_ | in case you missed it: Simca_> lmk if you find any flaws in my formulas or assumptions, foxlit |
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| 01:41.00 | foxlit | got that. :) |
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| 01:50.14 | Eol | So for addon development, do you guys suggest disabling everything so /reloadui is much quicker? |
| 01:54.38 | Semlar_ | i suggest an SSD |
| 02:09.31 | Simca_ | Eol, yes |
| 02:09.42 | Simca_ | Semlar: it will still take 15 seconds if you have a billion addons |
| 02:10.00 | Simca_ | if he asked the question, i'm guessing he does. |
| 02:10.38 | Simca_ | also, the best patch 6.1 feature is that when you talk to a flight master and pick a destination, it no longer goes HURR HURR HURR HURRRRRRRRRRRRRR YOU'RE ON A MOUNT SORRY |
| 02:10.44 | Simca_ | and actually flies you places |
| 02:11.11 | Simca_ | only took them 10 years to add /dismount into that |
| 02:11.24 | Semlar | they have the technology |
| 02:12.47 | Simca_ | garrison campaign rewards for the final week are interesting |
| 02:12.58 | Eol | the follower, yes? |
| 02:13.03 | Simca_ | an ilvl 655 follower weapon and a necklace to upgrade a follower instantly to epic as well |
| 02:14.05 | Eol | Playing as horde, a lot of the epic followers and shit you get out of dungeons sucks, because they don't have any synergy with our races |
| 02:14.22 | Eol | millouse, croman, leeroy, pagel |
| 02:14.35 | Simca_ | agreed |
| 02:14.48 | Eol | and now harrison jones in 6.1 |
| 02:14.51 | nebula169_ | bleh, i'm still on the attack on shatt campaign, shit takes too long |
| 02:15.22 | Semlar | am i supposed to be doing the campaigns |
| 02:15.47 | Semlar | i don't quest |
| 02:15.48 | Simca_ | they're the most interesting part of the week for me in terms of WoW, and they don't take very long |
| 02:16.13 | nebula169_ | they sometimes give neat rewards in addition to apexis |
| 02:17.32 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.51 | Simca_ | damn semlar |
| 02:18.09 | Semlar | i'm kicking all of my not-racist followers out of my garrison |
| 02:18.40 | Semlar | i'm raising a herd of tauren |
| 02:19.45 | Simca_ | and at the end of WoD you'll slaughter them all and move into the next expansion with a bank full of beefcakes |
| 02:19.57 | Semlar | that's very forward thinking |
| 02:20.39 | Semlar | i'll have plenty of beef jerky for the journey ahead |
| 02:21.32 | Semlar | i wrote a function that outputs the race of my active followers, i just need to add it to the ui |
| 02:22.13 | Semlar | since as far as i can tell the api doesn't actually provide their race, it's just kind of guessing |
| 02:22.31 | Simca_ | there is a bit flag field in GarrFollower.db2 |
| 02:22.34 | Simca_ | for race |
| 02:22.44 | kd3 | hm. don't copy to the ptr when missions are running. https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/555912925287047168 |
| 02:23.17 | Simca_ | kd3: it works fine if your missions are at completed though |
| 02:24.00 | Semlar | no way to get that in game though |
| 02:24.15 | kd3 | I figured as much. logged in to live to cycle missions (and update my character data to catch the server-side fix) then copied over a few minutes later |
| 02:25.11 | Semlar | i'm just looping over the followers and checking their model paths |
| 02:25.21 | Simca_ | lol |
| 02:25.25 | Simca_ | that works too i suppose |
| 02:25.31 | Semlar | works well enough |
| 02:25.35 | Simca_ | Semlar: foxlit has the data in master plan now |
| 02:25.39 | Semlar | until one of them displays as a different race |
| 02:25.48 | Simca_ | so you could hook into that |
| 02:25.56 | Semlar | does he display it somewhere |
| 02:26.11 | Simca_ | he needs it for MoI success rate calculations |
| 02:26.24 | Semlar | i still like my solution |
| 02:27.30 | Semlar | i'm calling it MasterRace |
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| 02:28.12 | Simca_ | lolol |
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| 02:29.08 | Eol | what race is meatball? |
| 02:29.12 | Semlar | gnoll |
| 02:29.28 | kd3 | wow. note to self, don't mess with ~/.steam: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 |
| 02:29.32 | Semlar | presumably |
| 02:30.07 | Semlar | i'm just assuming things like meatball and phylarch can't count towards any available racial trait |
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| 02:30.36 | Eol | and that robot out of the bag |
| 02:30.39 | Semlar | i'd probably have to look at what they're actually counted as in the db2 file to find out |
| 02:31.07 | Semlar | i mean i can assign them a race but it would mostly be aesthetic |
| 02:33.39 | Semlar | i couldn't check things like dwarves, night elves or worgen because i don't even have any listed in my garrison |
| 02:35.07 | Semlar | but i'm assuming their model path is the same as it is for players |
| 02:35.55 | Simca_ | kd3: i like the last post - "@d00fy I'm going to make the argument that while Steam is certainly at fault, you should definitely be using off site backups for this exact reason." |
| 02:36.05 | Simca_ | it's like really? this exact reason? |
| 02:36.11 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:36.30 | Simca_ | "i use off-site backups because incredibly popular programs downloaded by millions of people often delete my entire system" |
| 02:36.41 | Simca_ | i'm sure he has that on a t-shirt |
| 02:37.05 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/R3dJFehg MasterRace |
| 02:40.30 | Semlar | i think i'll make a dropdown menu to show how many of each race and then expand that to show the names |
| 02:41.48 | Semlar | and by that i mean foxlit should integrate something like that into masterplan |
| 02:42.35 | Simca_ | Semlar: won't you be screwed for models like leeroy |
| 02:42.37 | Simca_ | or garona |
| 02:42.41 | Simca_ | (in 6.1) |
| 02:42.58 | Semlar | won't know |
| 02:43.14 | Semlar | first of all leeroy is already in there |
| 02:43.30 | Semlar | he just uses a human model |
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| 02:44.16 | Semlar | if garona's model path doesn't contain the word "orc" it'll have to be modified |
| 02:45.14 | Semlar | but that's a tomorrow problem |
| 02:46.09 | Semlar | unless they're on the ptr in which case someone could find out what model they use |
| 02:47.00 | Simca_ | they're placeholders on the ptr atm |
| 02:53.22 | Semlar | hmm i probably should have picked the orc this week if our legendary follower is one |
| 02:53.41 | Semlar | the tavern didn't offer me a tauren |
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| 03:26.43 | Ssateneth | foxlit started implementing follower class/spec abilities :D |
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| 04:28.12 | pompy | kd3: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/15/papa-john-pizza-stands-by-employee-who-shot-armed-robber-in-self-defense/ close to ya? |
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| 04:53.52 | karl_w_w | ahh america |
| 04:54.11 | karl_w_w | can't even deliver pizza without reverting to the wild west |
| 04:58.21 | Semlar | delivering pizzas is one of the most dangerous professions |
| 04:58.45 | Semlar | it's up there with driving a taxi and working the streets as a cop |
| 05:00.11 | Neffi | s/cop/lady of the night/ |
| 05:00.25 | Semlar | neffi.. |
| 05:00.33 | Neffi | which reminds me, Semlar, I still owe you that $20 |
| 05:00.42 | Neffi | ;) |
| 05:00.55 | pompy | and then tere;s this from earlier 2014 http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/pizza-delivery-driver-fired-after-he-was-robbed |
| 05:01.19 | Semlar | ah so they fire the man but not the woman |
| 05:02.48 | Neffi | why did he not sue for wrongful termination? |
| 05:03.22 | Semlar | he was fired for carrying too much money |
| 05:03.35 | Neffi | if his manager went against protocol that potentially put him in danger, he should own half the fucking store right now |
| 05:05.07 | Semlar | i'm more interested in the fact that this article says she shot her assailant in the face |
| 05:05.19 | Semlar | and he was later.. found and arrested |
| 05:05.42 | Semlar | instead of found and then buried for being dead because he was shot in the face |
| 05:05.58 | Neffi | you know your face is not a vital organ, right? |
| 05:06.05 | Neffi | you can kind of survive damage to it |
| 05:06.08 | Semlar | it is to me |
| 05:06.19 | Neffi | also are we skimming over the fact that I suggested you're a prosititute? |
| 05:06.45 | Semlar | you do that all the time |
| 05:06.55 | Neffi | well, yes |
| 05:09.42 | karl_w_w | the best way to brush off truthful accusations is to pretend they didn't happen |
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| 08:29.24 | pompy | karl_w_w: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/139478-Hotline-Miami-2-Banned-in-Australia |
| 08:38.47 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:39.07 | karl_w_w | typical australians, lying through their teeth :P |
| 08:39.15 | Mr_Rabies | that's practically a sign of quality at this point |
| 08:39.19 | Mr_Rabies | ok no not really but |
| 08:39.37 | Mr_Rabies | with a game like this it kinda is |
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| 11:33.56 | Shirik | I have no lunch on my calendar tomorrow :( |
| 11:34.38 | Kalroth | you will starve |
| 11:34.53 | Kalroth | reduced to leather and bones |
| 11:37.06 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 11:38.36 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 11:38.42 | Fisker | hey |
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| 12:19.24 | foxlit | Semlar: http://www.curseforge.com/media/images/80/660/followers-tab.jpg |
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| 12:44.43 | Fisker | What are you going to do with that data we're collecting for you foxlit? |
| 12:46.10 | Simca_ | WW3 |
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| 12:47.51 | karl_w_w | he's planning Something |
| 12:51.11 | Fisker | I hope so Simca_ |
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| 12:58.40 | Ssateneth | does anyone where use tellmewhen? |
| 12:59.08 | Ssateneth | I want an icon to show a number where it would normally show stacks, and the number should be derived from a global lua variable |
| 12:59.11 | Ssateneth | how do I do that? |
| 12:59.21 | Ssateneth | i cant figure out the gsub if thats how you do it |
| 13:02.27 | Ssateneth | like if I do /run testvar = 5 |
| 13:02.41 | Ssateneth | how do I show the 5 from testvar in a tellmewhen icon |
| 13:04.28 | Ssateneth | anyone? :( |
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| 13:26.56 | Teht | Anyone got any creative ideas for how you could make GetUnitPitch("player") get you your actual pitch on the ground? The function's name appears to be misleading, it appears to get camera pitch, not unit pitch... |
| 13:27.27 | Teht | Wondering if I could somehow set the camera to lock to the player's pitch or something |
| 13:38.25 | Maldivia | didn't they remove those things, because people were making 3D overlays etc based on that info? |
| 13:41.07 | Teht | Pretty sure there was some stuff removed for that reason, although I thought camera pitch was one of them |
| 13:41.25 | Teht | That's partly what surprises me that GetUnitPitch is camera pitch |
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| 13:58.54 | Simca_ | Teht: camera pitch doesn't help because you can't get any z coordinate data |
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| 13:59.07 | Simca_ | all of the functions that should return it either return nothing or garbage |
| 13:59.31 | Simca_ | without that, 3d overlays are useless the second somebody steps on an incline or stairs |
| 14:03.46 | Teht | Yeah |
| 14:04.04 | Teht | Frustrating that the stupid 3d overlay kerfluffle ruins my plans |
| 14:05.12 | Teht | Trying to somehow get your incline value or elevation delta so I can feed the data to my exercise machine to automatically control the incline. |
| 14:05.54 | Teht | Already have it fixed up to have my rpms on the machine control holding the "w" key |
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| 14:43.14 | Fisker | hey Ressy |
| 14:43.15 | Fisker | maybe |
| 14:59.26 | Ressy | morning |
| 14:59.48 | Fisker | morning |
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| 15:10.09 | awestroke | I'm trying to check if an item in bags is soulbound or not, I found this method: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=19199 but it doesn't seem to work anymore, tooltip.leftside[i]:GetText() returns nil for all i |
| 15:13.47 | Simca_ | that setup is a bit confusing and if you're only using parts of the code you may have not gotten it completely right |
| 15:14.49 | Simca_ | he's making font strings, assigning them to a tooltip and as an item in a table called leftside, then assigning the table called leftside to the tooltip |
| 15:16.59 | Neffi | Teht: At least 2 clever people I've spoken to said they thought of ways of doing it but would not leverage them because that's just begging Blizzard to break more things |
| 15:17.17 | Neffi | Best off not trying to find a clever solution, because it will result in Blizzard breaking an API |
| 15:17.40 | Simca_ | i know how to do it and I'm not even clever |
| 15:17.48 | Neffi | lol Simca_ |
| 15:18.22 | awestroke | Simca_: I got that much, but I have no debugging skills to know why it doesn't work. I got as far as knowing that leftside[i] is a singleton table containing an userdata entry on [0] |
| 15:19.04 | Simca_ | then tooltip.leftside[0]:GetText() should work |
| 15:19.10 | Neffi | table containing an userdata entry on [0] <- that's how frames are represented |
| 15:19.19 | Neffi | and fontstrings, and texture objects, etc |
| 15:19.34 | Simca_ | err [i]* |
| 15:20.25 | awestroke | can I get a rrepl in-game? |
| 15:20.28 | awestroke | repl* |
| 15:21.45 | Simca_ | Neffi: well this method is enough work that even knowing how, nobody would do it: you could parse the ADTs for the entire game and store them in a library called Lib-ZCoordinates. Blizzard gives you floor levels, submaps, and almost all cases where you could move in two z-planes on the same x,y coords would be covered by various API functions |
| 15:21.48 | Neffi | check out: WowLua, Devpad (the one I prefer), TinyLua |
| 15:21.54 | Neffi | or you can invoke scripts via /run |
| 15:22.07 | Neffi | you can also evaluate simple expression lists via /dump |
| 15:22.20 | Simca_ | they'd have to break dungeon floor IDs or the camera functions to stop it |
| 15:22.35 | Neffi | awestroke: ^ |
| 15:22.56 | awestroke | Neffi: thanks, gonna try devpad |
| 15:23.23 | Neffi | WowLua is more like an interpreter shell |
| 15:23.44 | awestroke | well, now I know that the leftside[i] tables have a metatable with only __index, so GetText is not even on the metatable |
| 15:24.00 | Neffi | Devpad is a notepad with syntax highlighting/indenting, that can run its contents as a script (and can do so automatically at startup per-script if you desire) |
| 15:24.18 | Simca_ | widget functions are not normally listed on the metatable like that I think? |
| 15:24.36 | Neffi | awestroke: A table with a userdata at [0] is a frame. Do: tbl:GetObjectType() to see if it's a fontstring |
| 15:24.50 | Neffi | Simca_: yes they are. that's what the metatable is there for. |
| 15:25.05 | awestroke | Neffi: cool, thanks. how did you know? |
| 15:25.21 | Neffi | I've been fucking with WoW's UI for like 10 years now..? |
| 15:26.01 | Neffi | that's how frames are stored in Lua-side |
| 15:26.30 | Neffi | besides it's kinda rare that you see a userdata besides within a frame. the only other way to get one is newproxy() afaik |
| 15:26.33 | awestroke | I wish I could read a few pages of a cheat-sheet with things like that |
| 15:26.44 | Neffi | wowpedia.org/API |
| 15:26.49 | Neffi | wowprogramming.com |
| 15:27.38 | awestroke | I don't want to read through the whole API or read a full book of inane examples - besides, this is an ugly hack, I doubt a book would cover it? |
| 15:28.05 | awestroke | I do peruse the wowwiki api reference though |
| 15:28.21 | Neffi | use wowpedia |
| 15:28.23 | Neffi | wowwiki is evil |
| 15:28.47 | Neffi | rather, wowpedia was forked from wowwiki because, I can't remember, but there was a good reason, and wowpedia is the one we keep up to date |
| 15:29.02 | awestroke | tech evil or morally evil? |
| 15:29.12 | Fisker | annoyingly evil I think |
| 15:29.15 | Neffi | I think there was some dispute with the hosting party. I don't remember |
| 15:29.25 | Fisker | Wikia made sure some changes were made that the community didn't like |
| 15:29.38 | Neffi | just don't use it, really |
| 15:30.26 | Fisker | I believe the common issue was changes to the layout marginalising the content |
| 15:30.31 | awestroke | ah... if I have a custom tooltip addon, would that affect this hack? |
| 15:30.33 | Neffi | plus the ad revenue for wowpedia is going to a better place |
| 15:31.01 | Neffi | awestroke: no |
| 15:31.28 | Neffi | it's using its own tooltip object to do the scanning, as you'd expect, specifically so that tooltip mods don't intefere with it (or it doesn't interfere with the UI) |
| 15:33.04 | awestroke | jeez... why is there not just an GetContainerItemSoulbound() |
| 15:33.27 | Neffi | While the API is quite large, they just didn't include everything |
| 15:33.44 | Neffi | also, awestroke, did you read the thread? notice the next few posts |
| 15:34.00 | Neffi | you need to modify the original code to use bag slots, not item links |
| 15:35.06 | awestroke | Neffi: yeah, I did, thanks. I can share a minimal test of what I have so far if you want |
| 15:35.25 | Neffi | are you having trouble with it? |
| 15:38.44 | awestroke | Neffi: https://gist.github.com/awestroke/80d854436b5381e78bec |
| 15:39.47 | awestroke | + frame:SetScript("OnEvent", refresh) - forgot to include, updated now |
| 15:42.23 | awestroke | So, should I just parse the item link string - is that a viable solution? |
| 15:43.41 | Neffi | for one, make `money` and `items` local |
| 15:44.20 | awestroke | they are used for other stuff, planning to include them in savedvariables later on |
| 15:44.23 | awestroke | they are addon-local |
| 15:44.54 | Neffi | you should be checking if itemcount > 0, not just ~= nil |
| 15:45.00 | Neffi | otherwise I see no obvious issues |
| 15:45.34 | Neffi | disable your tooltip mods (if any), mouse over a soulbound item, and give me a screenshot of the tooltip it shows |
| 15:46.39 | Teht | Hmm |
| 15:46.58 | Teht | I'd hope blizzard wouldn't break UI functions because of what I want to use them for |
| 15:48.08 | Ressy | 10 year gift: https://twitter.com/thebl4ckd0g/status/556115225964208128 |
| 15:48.43 | Simca_ | heh |
| 15:48.43 | Neffi | ooh, can I haz? |
| 15:48.47 | Simca_ | like 3 people I know called it |
| 15:49.00 | Simca_ | "i bet its a mini statue of the orc rider in their courtyard" |
| 15:49.41 | Fisker | I wasn't expecting anything that awesome Simca_ |
| 15:50.31 | Teht | Hmmm |
| 15:50.46 | Teht | I guess I could give myself zone-based resistance settings |
| 15:50.50 | Simca_ | heh <Elysia`> it'll probably be a mini version of the orc/wolf statue they have outside their HQ |
| 15:51.30 | Teht | i.e. running through elwynn forest would have a low resistance, but running around in arathi highlands would be harder |
| 15:53.47 | Ssateneth | so its an orc statue |
| 15:53.52 | Ssateneth | clearly horde favoritism |
| 15:54.00 | Ssateneth | big slap in the face for alliance players |
| 15:54.02 | Neffi | awestroke: try this in place of the two functions you have: https://gist.github.com/fa3c290aa560741a78e1 |
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| 15:54.49 | Neffi | awestroke: woops. updated. check again |
| 15:55.12 | Teht | Hold on |
| 15:55.24 | Teht | I could use player speed |
| 15:56.24 | Teht | i.e. it's easier to walk than it is to run, and if you want to mount up and travel you REALLY have to work at it |
| 15:56.56 | Teht | GetUnitSpeed("player") |
| 15:58.50 | awestroke | Neffi: they are all nil, and my tooltip addon is off |
| 16:03.53 | awestroke | Neffi: I might have found the problem - there's no visible tooltip if I comment out the tooltip:Hide() lines and run it - does that mean the tooltip is not created correctly? I have not defined an addon frame and I have no xml file |
| 16:26.31 | Neffi | awestroke: no, that's fine. the tooltip was never anchored, so you wouldn't expect to see it |
| 16:26.40 | Neffi | its position is undefined |
| 16:27.11 | Neffi | Maybe the text has changed? Maybe the tooltip isn't populating synchronously for some reason? I don't know |
| 16:27.26 | Neffi | I don't have the client installed atm so I cannot test further |
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| 16:42.22 | Simca_ | awestroke: i remember having a problem when using literally this same code, but i just don't remember what it was |
| 16:42.34 | Simca_ | I think it was something really dumb, like I had to call SetOwner twice or something |
| 16:46.42 | Simca_ | awestroke: get rid of the ClearLines() line |
| 16:47.29 | Simca_ | it's redundant and my addon works fine without it. it's the only difference I see between my parsing code and theirs (well that and my variables are addon-wide instead of being embedded into the tooltip table) |
| 16:48.17 | awestroke | Simca_: sec |
| 16:49.22 | Neffi | :Hide() implicitly invokes :ClearLines(), so no need for it |
| 16:49.41 | Simca_ | I don't bother with Hide() either |
| 16:50.15 | awestroke | Simca_: https://gist.github.com/awestroke/b4426fcb487375877e92 |
| 16:50.21 | Neffi | also if you're doing :Hide() at the end, you MAY need a :Show() at the beginning |
| 16:50.26 | Neffi | awestroke: ^ |
| 16:51.32 | Simca_ | ah, the dumb trick I had to do - I had to 'warm up' the tooltip |
| 16:51.49 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.49 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.52 | Neffi | tooltip foreplay. it's underrated |
| 16:52.21 | Simca_ | then it enters a loop of |
| 16:52.21 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.21 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.23 | Simca_ | forever |
| 16:52.25 | Simca_ | and works fine |
| 16:52.44 | Simca_ | that might be applicable here, idk |
| 16:52.45 | awestroke | do I need to loop forever to read from the tt? |
| 16:52.49 | Simca_ | no, no. |
| 16:53.02 | Simca_ | but you might need to call your :Set function twice |
| 16:53.13 | Simca_ | (that was the initial workaround I used) |
| 16:54.37 | awestroke | Simca_: is your code available somewhere? |
| 16:55.18 | Simca_ | unfortunately, it is private. i can remove the relevant chunks and host it rq |
| 16:58.36 | pompy | https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK the spacex landing attempt on the drone ship |
| 16:58.49 | Simca_ | a quick lobotomy of the addon: http://www.curseforge.com/paste/fr6c1psm7nbewo42/ |
| 16:59.44 | Simca_ | all of the times I refer to ItemText (my 'leftside') or ItemTooltip are in that |
| 17:00.04 | Simca_ | the rest of the variables feel free to ignore - they're defined and used elsewhere |
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| 17:08.10 | awestroke | I get text now, but Soulbound is not part of it |
| 17:09.01 | Simca_ | my implementation of 'leftside' was as a string instead of a table - i only wanted the first line |
| 17:09.03 | awestroke | on this item: http://www.wowhead.com/item=118940/crown-of-desolation - I get the rows from Stamina to Req lvl |
| 17:09.07 | Simca_ | oh |
| 17:09.24 | Simca_ | weird.. |
| 17:09.57 | Simca_ | if you don't care about the bit of memory and CPU you'll use to do this |
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| 17:12.25 | Simca_ | it's easier to do it like this: |
| 17:13.10 | Simca_ | http://www.curseforge.com/paste/11374/ |
| 17:13.46 | Neffi | I gave him something like that already |
| 17:13.54 | Simca_ | oh |
| 17:14.01 | Neffi | scanned 8 lines on the left and right |
| 17:14.07 | Simca_ | oh that's his problem |
| 17:14.13 | Simca_ | he can't do both |
| 17:14.14 | Neffi | although you could generalize it to scan every line that it can find, for future compat |
| 17:14.26 | Simca_ | now he's got a GameTooltipTemplate and he's adding font strings |
| 17:14.47 | Simca_ | it either has to be using the template or using added font strings |
| 17:15.06 | Neffi | ohhh, wow, how did I not spot that? |
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| 17:15.45 | Neffi | awestroke: are you using 3-space tabs? |
| 17:15.48 | Neffi | what the fuck man |
| 17:16.02 | Neffi | keep it to a multiple of 2 |
| 17:16.07 | Simca_ | haha |
| 17:16.14 | haste | is also using 3-space tabs. |
| 17:16.17 | awestroke | I blame it on WowLua |
| 17:16.20 | haste | 2 is too short and 4 is too wide :D |
| 17:16.25 | awestroke | copypasted directly from the game |
| 17:16.28 | awestroke | I normally roll 2 |
| 17:16.41 | haste | but I use tabs nod spaces, so it's only rendered that way :) |
| 17:16.41 | Neffi | haste: what in the hell is wrong with you? ;) |
| 17:16.52 | haste | nothing! |
| 17:16.59 | Simca_ | >4 space master race, slaving under the crushing weight of my 2 space professors, fighting the system in secret |
| 17:17.04 | awestroke | _G.[] is syntax errror for me |
| 17:17.15 | Simca_ | yeah, no . |
| 17:17.17 | haste | _G["print"] |
| 17:17.23 | Simca_ | my bad |
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| 17:17.55 | Simca_ | this code you posted here though: https://gist.github.com/awestroke/b4426fcb487375877e92 remove the ', nil, "GameTooltipTemplate"' from line 3 and it should work |
| 17:17.56 | Neffi | 2 is perfect and you're wrong |
| 17:17.57 | awestroke | what in the name of sanity |
| 17:18.04 | awestroke | how does this work but not fontstrings |
| 17:18.36 | Neffi | awestroke: one sec |
| 17:18.39 | awestroke | Simca_ - why does that take more CPU/mem? |
| 17:18.51 | Neffi | I'll roll Simca_'s suggestions into your script real quick |
| 17:19.00 | Simca_ | if it was a 50 line tooltip, it would populate all 50 lines |
| 17:19.17 | Simca_ | if you limited it to X fontstrings, it wouldn't |
| 17:19.35 | Simca_ | that said the savings we're talking about here are... very small |
| 17:20.14 | Neffi | functionality > speed |
| 17:20.27 | awestroke | ok, changing to CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "temptt") works. why? |
| 17:20.37 | Neffi | if not doing something was a means to avoid using the CPU, we might as well throw the machines out the window |
| 17:21.00 | awestroke | or wait it doesn't.... |
| 17:21.05 | Neffi | awestroke: because the template you were deriving from already has fontstrings, so you were scanning the wrong part |
| 17:23.55 | Neffi | try this https://gist.github.com/222f83b651aa05d8b3af |
| 17:25.44 | awestroke | I think it defaults to that template |
| 17:25.49 | awestroke | can I supply an empty template? |
| 17:26.04 | Simca_ | it defaults to nothing |
| 17:26.17 | Simca_ | but you can supply it with "" as the 4th arg if you wanted i suppose |
| 17:26.39 | Neffi | it absolutely does not default to any template |
| 17:30.06 | awestroke | oh god damnit... I did not think about the fact that perhaps the frame is not overwritten when I rerun the wowlua script |
| 17:30.10 | awestroke | it works now |
| 17:30.24 | awestroke | thank you for your help, I really appreciate it |
| 17:31.12 | awestroke | Simca_, Neffi |
| 17:32.17 | Neffi | cool stuff |
| 17:32.26 | Simca_ | yup np |
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| 17:39.56 | Simca_ | somebody mislabeled them as puppies |
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| 19:46.15 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: Is it better to do 1 /save per account, or char before a /clean? |
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| 19:55.27 | Cairenn | Shirik: awwwww |
| 19:57.15 | Fisker | hugtackles Cairenn |
| 19:57.27 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker :) |
| 19:57.33 | Fisker | :P |
| 20:04.56 | Eol | I'm kind of a noob. What am I doing wrong: http://prntscr.com/5ta6hu. Getting a lot of bleed from the other tabs. |
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| 20:26.31 | Teht | Who is this MiRai fellow |
| 20:29.02 | MiRai | slaps Teht around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:36.42 | Teht | Yum |
| 20:36.44 | Teht | Trout |
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| 20:43.21 | Torhal | p3lim: WAT |
| 20:43.39 | Fisker | h e y Torhal |
| 20:44.12 | Torhal | F I S K E R B O Y S ? |
| 20:44.17 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 20:44.36 | Fisker | :) |
| 20:44.41 | Fisker | I once heyed a guy |
| 20:44.51 | Torhal | Didn't end well? |
| 20:45.00 | Fisker | nope |
| 20:45.19 | Fisker | Had to be stitched back up |
| 20:45.27 | Torhal | :/ |
| 20:45.28 | p3lim | Torhal: WAT |
| 20:45.35 | Torhal | p3lim: test_auth_addon |
| 20:45.36 | Torhal | WAT |
| 20:45.41 | p3lim | :> |
| 20:45.43 | Eol | Is there a way to determine if an item is bound to battle.net account? or do i have to scan the tooltip? |
| 20:45.55 | Torhal | Eol: Tooltip scanning, per usual :/ |
| 20:46.23 | Eol | Is that just because the data isn't in the itemlink? |
| 20:46.46 | Torhal | And there are no API functions for it. |
| 20:47.14 | Eol | Very sad. Can't believe they haven't addressed that |
| 20:51.44 | kd3 | pompy: not really, decatur's on the other side of atlanta from me (about 60-75 minutes away) |
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| 20:56.03 | p3lim | Torhal: it's a secrit |
| 20:56.06 | p3lim | shhh |
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| 21:13.48 | Torhal | p3lim: Then why the "Please see me on IRC if you have any questions"? :D |
| 21:14.01 | p3lim | D: |
| 21:14.43 | Fisker | What is it p3lim |
| 21:14.49 | Fisker | Spill |
| 21:15.35 | Neffi | how does one pronounce 'p3lim' anyway? |
| 21:15.47 | p3lim | "pellim" |
| 21:16.02 | Neffi | heh. I was pronouncing it with a long e |
| 21:16.08 | p3lim | everyone does |
| 21:16.10 | tz | ah, so like millep backwards |
| 21:16.12 | Neffi | in my head, that is. I don't talk to myself. shutup |
| 21:16.32 | p3lim | You like saying my name out loud? |
| 21:16.45 | Neffi | -- maybe... |
| 21:16.49 | p3lim | Seek help.. |
| 21:17.28 | Neffi | I have. They said they'd have to ship specialists in from some stop secret research facility in Virginia. Very expensive. At my expense, of course. |
| 21:19.40 | Thunder_Child | 'stop secret'? |
| 21:19.51 | Thunder_Child | Impressive. |
| 21:20.30 | Neffi | that's what I said |
| 21:20.37 | Neffi | and then the guy seemed offended and hung up on me |
| 21:22.29 | Unkle | Neffi: Helicopters full of agents are enroute. Do not leave. Do not resist. |
| 21:22.56 | Torhal | I think Neffi's condition may be contagious: I read that as "Helicopters full of giants" |
| 21:23.22 | Neffi | dill sexier is no laughing matter |
| 21:24.20 | tz | "a dyslexic agnostic insomniac once told me that he spends a lot of time in bed staring at the ceiling wondering if there truly is a dog" |
| 21:26.11 | tlund | Neffi: pee-three-ell-im? :) |
| 21:27.34 | Simca_ | what is the point of them giving us a GameTables.dbc with a list of 78 different DBCs containing game constants |
| 21:27.48 | Simca_ | and then only including 16 of the tables in the list in our install |
| 21:28.16 | Torhal | I'm going to blame chaud_ - I believe he asked someone to do that for your benefit. |
| 21:28.22 | Simca_ | "LOL THE REST IS SERVERSIDE SORRY; DID YOU THINK YOU WERE GONNA GET DATA?!" |
| 21:29.40 | Fisker | What's Lt. Commander Data got to do with anything? |
| 21:33.20 | tz | ooo, SpaceX put up a video of the failed rocket landing on the barge |
| 21:33.44 | tz | https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK |
| 21:34.12 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: save for every char, then upload, then reset. This minimizes uploads at the cost of slightly larger SVs. |
| 21:34.12 | kd3 | holy crap |
| 21:34.40 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: Ok. |
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| 21:43.07 | pompy | http://amzn.com/B0012C9UGK man. |
| 21:46.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (quassel@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) |
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| 22:04.34 | Mr_Rabies | kinda want pompy |
| 22:04.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's just in that range |
| 22:04.41 | Mr_Rabies | to be like |
| 22:04.46 | Mr_Rabies | "eh, i could find a use for a body bag" |
| 22:05.02 | Thunder_Child | Why would you want pompy? |
| 22:05.17 | Mr_Rabies | there's a comma there but it's under a pixel in size |
| 22:05.29 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Mr_Rabies |
| 22:05.29 | purl | burns Mr_Rabies to a crisp with a laser |
| 22:05.39 | Mr_Rabies | your monitor is clearly too weak to handle it |
| 22:05.54 | Thunder_Child | I'm the last person you would say that too. |
| 22:06.12 | Thunder_Child | to* |
| 22:07.25 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it's too strong |
| 22:07.29 | Mr_Rabies | and all the muscles get in the way |
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| 22:47.22 | nevcairiel | Simca_: i dont suppose you can make garrison campaign checker also consider the bonus objectives in those areas? we just spend an hour tracking one of those down for a guild mate |
| 23:11.45 | Stanzilla | wtf is http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23450-test_auth_addon.html |
| 23:11.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Eol (~kvirc@wsip-184-178-217-18.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:12.38 | Stanzilla | oh it's you p3lim |
| 23:13.55 | p3lim | Stanzilla: o/ |
| 23:14.33 | haste | spammer |
| 23:14.48 | p3lim | Cairenn said I could! |
| 23:16.25 | Cairenn | yup |
| 23:19.40 | Fisker | I don't believe you p3lim |
| 23:40.34 | karl_w_w | welp, never paying any attention to PC Gamer again! http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2sh55k/tyler_wilde_the_pc_gamer_writer_who_compared_the/cnpernk |
| 23:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much not worth it to read any kind of gaming journalism anymore |
| 23:43.29 | Mr_Rabies | i mean it's been this way for years but now the entire cat has left the bag and is now destroying the house |
| 23:45.24 | fewyn | i forgot how much i hate trackpads on laptops |
| 23:46.28 | Mr_Rabies | better than uh |
| 23:46.46 | Mr_Rabies | whatever ibm mice have with all kinds of colorful nicknames |
| 23:46.51 | Mr_Rabies | er ibm laptops have |
| 23:46.57 | Mr_Rabies | or lenovo now, rather |
| 23:47.10 | fewyn | the little nub thing? |
| 23:47.19 | fewyn | i had a laptop in the late 90s with one |
| 23:47.26 | fewyn | i didn't mind it much |
| 23:47.35 | fewyn | i keep accidently clicking the pad when i type though |
| 23:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | pointing stick! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/20090331-1607_trackpointtips.jpg/1280px-20090331-1607_trackpointtips.jpg |
| 23:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | they're fun to use but immensely unaccurate |
| 23:48.20 | Mr_Rabies | inaccurate |
| 23:48.21 | Mr_Rabies | wow |
| 23:48.24 | fewyn | yeah those |
| 23:48.27 | fewyn | the nubs |
| 23:48.36 | fewyn | they ar elike dead center of the keyboard |
| 23:48.40 | Mr_Rabies | hello me am not bizarro rabies me type best keyboard |
| 23:50.01 | karl_w_w | he's finally snapped |
| 23:51.32 | fewyn | trying to cycle my missions on my laptop is not fun |
| 23:51.45 | fewyn | wish i hadn't buried my mouse in my car |
| 23:52.01 | Thunder_Child | I rather like the apple trackpad. Nubs however horribad. |
| 23:52.51 | Thunder_Child | however are* |
| 23:55.47 | karl_w_w | that's just because they're inexperienced |
| 23:56.00 | karl_w_w | old but still good: http://i.imgur.com/rSnA8.png |
