| 00:01.37 | foxlit | it doesn't mean I can't ignore them indefinitely, so what's one more? :) |
| 00:01.42 | Fisker | hugtackles Cairenn |
| 00:02.05 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:02.07 | Cairenn | *hugs* |
| 00:25.56 | Unkle | foxlit: haha |
| 00:33.04 | kd3 | well, holinka's expecting a tweet at him addon out of somebody: https://twitter.com/holinka/status/554774585879429121 |
| 00:34.05 | foxlit | macro it to your primary attack button, imo |
| 00:34.36 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.27 | Unkle | I expect I'll be muting some fellow WoW-players on Twitter. |
| 00:36.28 | foxlit | but hey, you could do DKP over twitter. Assuming anyone still does DKP at all. |
| 00:42.23 | fewyn | people still do dkp? |
| 00:42.55 | Semlar | is epgp dkp? |
| 00:43.06 | fewyn | i have no idea what that is |
| 00:43.10 | Semlar | it's dkp |
| 00:43.16 | Simca | it is similar but not the same |
| 00:43.23 | Simca | EPGP uses decay |
| 00:44.26 | Semlar | we used to do loot council but we're currently trying epgp |
| 00:44.38 | foxlit | for the purposes of that comment, dkp is any loot distribution method that relies on external book-keeping of previous attendence and/or received loot. |
| 00:45.17 | Semlar | i mean the concept is okay but the addons suck |
| 00:45.20 | fewyn | i haven't been part of a guild/group that has used dkp since probably early wrath |
| 00:45.30 | Semlar | they are super spammy and the interface is awful |
| 00:47.51 | foxlit | ancient technology, patched by a collection of people who don't know better than to keep things from dying. |
| 00:48.26 | Semlar | i'd make a simple solution for it but i don't particularly care enough and i have enough projects that i'm currently avoiding working on to start another one |
| 00:49.05 | Unkle | *shrug* "Loot Settings > Personal" |
| 00:49.25 | Semlar | frankly i'd also just say do personal loot but people are against that |
| 00:50.08 | Semlar | i think they're trying to avoid some people getting geared up much faster than other people |
| 00:50.31 | nebula169 | why would you want to slow anyone from getting gear |
| 00:50.56 | Kowh | Can hollow out a guild over time |
| 00:51.03 | Semlar | what i mean is they're trying to distribute the loot evenly |
| 00:51.35 | Kowh | High gear players prefer to play with high, so low gear players get left out more and are more likely to leave. |
| 00:51.51 | foxlit | (and/or by a different metric than "was there when we killed it") |
| 00:52.13 | Kowh | And you need newbs to keep a guild going, due to attrition. |
| 00:53.01 | Semlar | well, our roster is pretty static, but with mythic requiring exactly 20 people i think we're going to have to start adding standbys |
| 00:53.23 | Kowh | Yeah, exact requirements suck, now that we have flex. |
| 00:53.53 | Kowh | No one wants to be on standby |
| 00:54.04 | Semlar | i don't like the 20 person requirement, but i guess they can't manage to balance it in a way that prevents people from exploiting certain raid sizes |
| 00:54.06 | Kowh | But otherwise you end up with 18/19 out of 20 |
| 00:54.36 | Semlar | yeah, it's a huge issue when even one person can't make it to the raid |
| 00:54.42 | Semlar | if you don't have extra people |
| 00:55.09 | Semlar | particularly since you can't hop on the premade finder to recruit people |
| 00:55.32 | Kowh | I get where they're coming from for that restriction, but it's still stupid. |
| 00:55.50 | Unkle | Yeah, gotta have a 'bench' and you gotta keep it geared/practiced. |
| 00:55.51 | Semlar | and there isn't really anyone to pull from on our server |
| 00:56.02 | zenzelezz | had my annual checkup at the dentist, but my regular dentist was on maternity leave (how inconsiderate), so I got a temporary replacement... he looks like Leon. Didn't quite inspire confidence |
| 00:56.17 | Semlar | the professional? |
| 00:56.20 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 00:56.28 | Semlar | it's fine, he's a professional |
| 00:56.33 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 00:56.36 | Semlar | did he clean your teeth? |
| 00:56.56 | Unkle | This ... is ... for ... Matilda. |
| 00:57.03 | Kowh | If they really want to keep out fully pug groups, set a min group size to queue, and also have "mercenaries" who get queue and get pulled from to top those off. |
| 00:57.20 | relaxok | it would be better if you meant Leon from curb your enthusiasm |
| 00:57.30 | Unkle | Leon from AD Police |
| 00:57.33 | Semlar | i reeeeeally think they should have made the group finder let people list themselves for particular raids like the old version |
| 00:57.40 | Kowh | Yeah |
| 00:58.42 | Primer | foxlit: well, I also didn't want to sift through the existing ones to ensure I wasn't submitting a duplicate. I can't imagine this hasn't been suggested already: Make it so sorting by follower experience also sorts by chance of success first |
| 00:59.13 | Kowh | I also liked having the equivalent of a sell order. The current finder only has buy orders. Can't just indicate you'd be up for something, with someone able to see if a bunch of people are up for something and starting a raid. |
| 00:59.44 | Primer | hrmm, perhaps it already does that |
| 01:00.37 | Primer | I mean, it sorts by follower experience when selecting chance of success |
| 01:01.07 | Semlar | the current premade finder has some major flaws with how it lets you filter groups |
| 01:01.23 | Semlar | they sort of merged all of the search functionality into one box |
| 01:01.53 | Kowh | Yeah, I use an addon but it's still not great. |
| 01:01.59 | Semlar | and they didn't add any way for you to filter by anything but what the raid is called and what they titled the group |
| 01:02.22 | Kowh | Would love to be able to link it to things, like quest ids |
| 01:04.13 | Semlar | at the very least it needs to let you search for the raid you're looking to join separately from the text you're searching for in the title/description/etc |
| 01:07.33 | jleclanche | Fisker: he's playing my control hunter deck :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orGDBITlEAU |
| 01:07.44 | jleclanche | tho with explosive shot instead of multishot |
| 01:07.49 | jleclanche | which seems much saner |
| 01:08.03 | Semlar | nerf hunters |
| 01:31.06 | fewyn | time for some fooseball |
| 01:37.40 | kd3 | knee's down, getting reversed |
| 01:44.09 | fewyn | i grew up in columbus |
| 01:44.16 | fewyn | so i actually have a dog in this fight |
| 01:44.35 | kd3 | no sec team, so meh |
| 01:45.09 | fewyn | surprisingly watchespn isn't dying for once |
| 01:45.14 | fewyn | so i can actually watch the game |
| 02:18.02 | kd3 | if you're not watching the bowl game, warlords content just got turned on on the ptr |
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| 02:26.47 | Ssateneth | i dont like dkp because bidding. |
| 02:27.08 | Ssateneth | it encourages hoarding and passing on loot |
| 02:30.08 | Mr_Rabies | we're using personal except for kargath right now |
| 02:30.16 | Mr_Rabies | probably will slide the scale up as we want |
| 02:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | as most people kinda get what they want from each boss |
| 02:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | also thanks kd3 |
| 02:31.24 | kd3 | np |
| 02:37.27 | Ssateneth | you're using personal loot on mythic? |
| 02:37.32 | Ssateneth | O_O |
| 02:38.33 | Mr_Rabies | on heroic |
| 02:38.41 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah |
| 02:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | it helps a lot with moving the runs along |
| 02:39.01 | Mr_Rabies | we only raid 6 hours a week |
| 02:39.35 | Ssateneth | then your ML is slow lol |
| 02:39.47 | Ssateneth | our ML is done in 2-3 minutes |
| 02:39.47 | Mr_Rabies | also zero drama |
| 02:40.02 | Mr_Rabies | 2-3 minutes still is a significant amount of time when you're talking 3 hours for the night |
| 02:40.21 | Ssateneth | there wouldn't be drama to begin with if people focused on guild progression as a whole instead of every man for themselves. raid progression is a group effort. |
| 02:40.41 | Mr_Rabies | it still happens, though |
| 02:41.00 | Mr_Rabies | our group is pretty every man for themselves at times, though, to be honest |
| 02:41.28 | Mr_Rabies | we're 5/7 heroic, but we have 3-4 people who are 6/7 or 7/7 and have been for months |
| 02:41.39 | Mr_Rabies | or |
| 02:41.41 | Mr_Rabies | well a month |
| 02:45.12 | fewyn | ouch |
| 02:45.14 | fewyn | that fumble |
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| 03:13.07 | Gethe | http://i.imgur.com/s87fNSF.jpg |
| 03:13.28 | Gethe | better frame stack |
| 03:17.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's neat |
| 03:17.27 | Mr_Rabies | i can probably get rid of death note then |
| 03:18.42 | Gethe | that too, though bars would still be useful imo |
| 03:19.26 | Semlar | is this death recap thing part of the ui? |
| 03:20.11 | Gethe | yeah |
| 03:20.43 | Gethe | DeathRecap_GetEvents() will return the last five combat log events against you |
| 03:20.47 | Gethe | in a table |
| 03:20.55 | Semlar | interesting |
| 03:21.13 | Semlar | last 5 damage events? |
| 03:22.04 | Gethe | yeah |
| 03:22.18 | Gethe | with 5 being the kill |
| 03:23.59 | Gethe | err no, event 1 is the kill |
| 03:24.13 | Semlar | i feel lied to |
| 03:24.35 | Gethe | >.> |
| 03:24.56 | kd3 | oh, wow, a big haste buff |
| 03:25.01 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/16561637/#jan12 |
| 03:25.10 | Semlar | not so fast |
| 03:25.39 | Semlar | Master of Beastsâ effects have been increased by 12.5% |
| 03:25.48 | Semlar | so is that like additive or what |
| 03:26.03 | Semlar | i'm assuming it's multiplicative |
| 03:32.41 | Mr_Rabies | Gladiator Stance (Protection) now increases damage by 5% (down from 20%) |
| 03:32.56 | Mr_Rabies | the forum servers are gonna catch on fire from all the rage |
| 03:34.01 | Semlar | they appear to have substantially increased their ability damage |
| 03:34.12 | Gethe | kd3: is there a UI changes page up yet? |
| 03:34.22 | kd3 | there's nothing on it yet, but it's up |
| 03:34.43 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.1.0/API_changes |
| 03:35.16 | plaw | tackle hugs kd3 |
| 03:35.32 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 03:39.03 | Simca | kd3 my bestest best friend |
| 03:39.16 | Simca | foxlit my bestest best friend |
| 03:39.31 | Simca | 6.1 automated api diffs? :D |
| 03:43.29 | A-KO | ugh |
| 03:43.32 | A-KO | haste changes again |
| 03:50.56 | kd3 | and I was just thinking that ohio was starting to run away with it |
| 03:53.20 | Neffi | "Jukebox API?" o.O |
| 04:00.09 | karl_w_w | we accidentally bought a lot of cornflour, anyone got any awesome recipe suggestions that use it? |
| 04:00.45 | kd3 | holy crap, wow oregon |
| 04:00.51 | kd3 | these ohio state turnovers |
| 04:06.31 | Simca | Neffi: I needed content for that section. i just guessed |
| 04:07.24 | Simca | there's a ton of new unlock trigger quests for music, there could be an API for it |
| 04:07.33 | Semlar | "An addon cannot tweet something for you; you have to hit the button." uuuuseless |
| 04:07.51 | Simca | man the alternative would be awful |
| 04:07.57 | Semlar | nope |
| 04:08.18 | Semlar | what good is twitter integration if i can't make an addon that autotweets everything i do |
| 04:08.31 | Simca | pretty sure twitter is already going to be spammed with loads of WoW data so that people can avoid the reloadUI limitation |
| 04:08.46 | Semlar | GOOD |
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| 04:11.53 | Simca | Neffi: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_6.1.0/API_changes there, less filler, more informative |
| 04:12.01 | Semlar | HASHTAG NEFFI |
| 04:13.20 | karl_w_w | hashishtag neffi |
| 04:15.45 | Neffi | has the munchies. |
| 04:15.48 | Neffi | eats Semlar |
| 04:15.57 | Semlar | has the rabies |
| 04:16.00 | Semlar | infects neffi |
| 04:16.10 | Neffi | goas crazy. |
| 04:16.17 | Neffi | bites Torhal |
| 04:17.03 | Thunder_Child | Sounds like a furry porno. |
| 04:17.18 | Semlar | i wouldn't know |
| 04:17.26 | Thunder_Child | Lies. |
| 04:17.27 | Neffi | wink wink, nudge nudge |
| 04:18.06 | Torhal | glues Neffi to the inside of a Pikachu costume and drops him into the center of a furry convention. |
| 04:18.34 | Neffi | oh god no |
| 04:18.49 | Neffi | oh god, don't touch that. no!!! |
| 04:18.58 | Torhal | S'ok; you still have Semlar tucked under your arm, right? |
| 04:19.18 | Neffi | good idea! I can use him as a club and beat my way out |
| 04:19.23 | Torhal | Yup |
| 04:19.51 | Torhal | Oh, wait - he'd be glued inside as well. |
| 04:19.53 | Torhal | :/ |
| 04:19.56 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 04:20.01 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 04:20.04 | Torhal | goes to bed. |
| 04:20.11 | Fisker | joins Torhal |
| 04:23.25 | Thunder_Child | That's not how you would beat your way out. |
| 04:26.00 | Neffi | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 04:33.13 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: https://theta360.com/s/b0groaUqlJkouCXkusK3hNeJk |
| 04:33.44 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Yours? |
| 04:33.55 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 04:33.55 | Gethe | anyone want to come join me in death on the PTR? |
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| 04:34.20 | Fisker | what a mess Iriel! |
| 04:34.22 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: I envy your space. |
| 04:34.39 | Iriel | Fisker: Yes, itâs a mess |
| 04:36.11 | Mr_Rabies | are char copies working yet, gethe? |
| 04:36.22 | Gethe | no |
| 04:36.31 | Gethe | 90 premades are though |
| 04:36.41 | Simca | no WoD on PTR, so no copies |
| 04:36.44 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: That being said, you have a perfectly good wall and no mounted monitors. |
| 04:37.00 | kd3 | they flipped the warlords switch, so you can get through tanaan |
| 04:37.02 | Iriel | The ones I have are presently more than enough |
| 04:37.08 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 04:37.12 | kd3 | but copies are still in progress |
| 04:37.43 | Gethe | but anyway i want to see if the death recap provides data on other party/raid members |
| 04:38.44 | Simca | i think it is implemented entirely in framexml |
| 04:39.06 | Simca | but i do think it has chat link support so you can link your death recap to others |
| 04:40.04 | Gethe | there are three functions that arnt frameXML |
| 04:40.26 | Gethe | at least not defined there |
| 04:40.38 | Simca | it looked like all of the parsing was done there, which is disappointing |
| 04:40.51 | Simca | will still be instances where damage comes too fast and the game doesn't know WTF happened |
| 04:41.06 | Gethe | yeah five is very limiting |
| 04:42.26 | Semlar | i think it should just pop up a box that explains that you ran out of health |
| 04:42.57 | Mr_Rabies | reminds me of this Semlar: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/089/406/Protip.jpg?1318992465 |
| 04:43.27 | Semlar | blame your healer |
| 04:43.36 | Fisker | I like that Mr_Rabies |
| 04:44.08 | Mr_Rabies | also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2v956KpzanU |
| 04:47.48 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: you see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WwUIY8pl-E |
| 04:49.05 | Mr_Rabies | how is the new doctor anyway? |
| 04:49.10 | Fisker | old |
| 04:49.21 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 04:52.28 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason that video makes me really antsy for Flash and Arrow to restart |
| 04:52.50 | Mr_Rabies | i can't get enough of those shows |
| 04:54.38 | Fisker | still a week to go |
| 04:55.10 | Mr_Rabies | this scene was just like "yup i'm hooked" as far as flash goes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6sW3UUEKPM |
| 04:55.15 | Mr_Rabies | i was already hooked on arrow but |
| 04:56.49 | Arrowmaster | i wanted a kestral before they used it on arrow, now if i get one it will just look like i got it because they used it on arrow :( |
| 04:58.52 | Mr_Rabies | a bird? |
| 04:59.02 | Arrowmaster | sorry kestrel |
| 04:59.08 | Arrowmaster | http://cponeidaeagle.com/cp_oneida_eagle_bows_003.htm |
| 04:59.46 | Mr_Rabies | make your own show with hookers and blackjack |
| 04:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | call it Arrowmaster |
| 05:00.21 | Mr_Rabies | this website is spectacularly bad |
| 05:00.57 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 05:34.32 | bluipodcow | \o |
| 05:35.04 | Gethe | ptr DOES have Warlords, but you have to do Tannan again |
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| 05:55.06 | Simca | not worth the time almost certainly |
| 05:55.35 | fewyn | duck tanaan |
| 05:56.00 | fewyn | never again! |
| 05:57.13 | Bluipadcow | Duck duck |
| 05:57.17 | Bluipadcow | Goose! |
| 06:06.36 | Jamash | I want to do tannan on alliance at least once so yay\ |
| 06:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | i've gotten it down to pretty fast now |
| 06:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | speed ran 3 chars through there :v |
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| 06:28.56 | Simca | it's not just as to why it is a waste |
| 06:29.22 | Simca | there is no useful content at 90-99 - everything we want to look at is locked behind garrison level 3 at level 100 |
| 06:29.38 | Simca | so unless you want to invest many hours, it's pretty hard to justify |
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| 07:47.31 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/5t6Bznd.png wat |
| 07:47.43 | Simca | its says the reward is a title but it also gives you a mount |
| 07:47.55 | Simca | i think that's something that most people probably would want to know lol |
| 07:48.07 | Simca | i know all my friends skipped it because "I already have good enough titles" |
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| 07:54.44 | karl_w_w | yeah me too |
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| 15:04.18 | Ressy | :P |
| 15:08.38 | Ayrshire | Tabbards are more important than heirlooms. As in they take up more banks space for me. :D |
| 15:08.57 | Ayrshire | (Heirlooms get sent over to the latest alt I never play) |
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| 15:11.36 | JTF195 | welp. this sucks. some combination of HBAO+, 4k Dynamic Super Resolution, and SSAA+CMAA completely broke my graphics driver, and now nothing will run in fullscreen mode, even after restarting |
| 15:11.38 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.40 | foxlit | ? |
| 15:13.42 | JTF195 | I think he's asking for a feature similar to what FollowerGearOptimizer does |
| 15:14.04 | JTF195 | only integrated into the mission suggestions somehow |
| 15:14.14 | Fisker | I think he just wants to know the best follower for a mission if it doesn't gain 100% |
| 15:15.23 | JTF195 | he's definitely asking for a way to see suggestions for what followers to level/gear |
| 15:17.24 | JTF195 | might as well throw in headhunting suggestions too |
| 15:18.07 | JTF195 | brb, guess i'm gonna have to reinstall my graphics driver now :/ |
| 15:18.10 | Fisker | I can see that as being outside the scope of the addon |
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| 15:31.36 | nevcairiel | well it already does tell you which follower to gear |
| 15:32.08 | nevcairiel | and which follower to recruit is pretty trivial to come up with yourself, if one counter is missing, figure out which combo is missing, and try to acquire that one :p |
| 15:32.57 | nevcairiel | i'm currently trying to level a bunch of group damage guys to fill exactly one of those holes in my blackrock raid missions |
| 15:33.22 | nevcairiel | (in before blizzard changes those missions again) |
| 15:33.24 | foxlit | Mm, that's one way to do it. |
| 15:33.34 | foxlit | (If I were Blizzard, I'd totally change those missions again) |
| 15:34.13 | nevcairiel | well my group damage line up is pretty limited as it is, so its not wasted in any case, one of the highmaul missions i can only do with racials/combat percs, and i would prefer not to rely on those if i can avoid it :D |
| 15:34.25 | foxlit | The uncomfortable problem is that if you're allowed to change more than one follower, there can be many, many more ways to do it as well :( |
| 15:34.32 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 15:35.03 | foxlit | So maybe "Get Group Damage/Wild Aggression" or maybe "Get a Dwarf with Ally of Argus" |
| 15:35.29 | foxlit | ^/Humanist |
| 15:35.35 | nevcairiel | thats where my spreadsheet with all my followers comes in, so i can see how someone might want some help with that, but i also see the vast complexity behind it |
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| 15:36.41 | nevcairiel | what would be nice is if you can build fake groups for those missions yourself even if you dont have the mission yet, so you can use it to plan future groups without having to remember which guys you picked and what traits they all had |
| 15:36.52 | nevcairiel | so if you want something to implement, do that! |
| 15:36.56 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 15:37.17 | foxlit | didn't I already implement that? |
| 15:37.26 | nevcairiel | if yes, then i dont know how to do that |
| 15:37.53 | nevcairiel | can i plan my own group for a blackrock raid and have master plan calc its success? |
| 15:38.28 | foxlit | Nope. You can, however, have master plan tell you what the maximum success chance of any of your groups for a blackrock raid is. |
| 15:38.38 | nevcairiel | well, yea |
| 15:39.22 | foxlit | is there a case where you'd want the former and strictly not the latter? |
| 15:40.05 | nevcairiel | but when i'm planning for my follower lineup and trying to figure out which guy i may need, i may want to experiment with different combinations and assign them to a mission (which i do not have yet), with a quick overview which counters they bring and traits they have, so i can immediately see what i would need to finish it |
| 15:40.37 | nevcairiel | like the normal window where i plan a mission, just without actually having the mission |
| 15:40.40 | nevcairiel | if that makes sense :D |
| 15:41.42 | znf | Here's an idea: take into account inactive followers |
| 15:41.52 | nevcairiel | hold ALT |
| 15:41.53 | znf | or have a checkmark for it :P |
| 15:42.11 | nevcairiel | hold ALT when clicking the missions of interest tab, it accounts for inactive ones |
| 15:42.15 | foxlit | nevcairiel: it does; it's essentially "I want to play around with group compositions" |
| 15:43.11 | nevcairiel | wowhead kind of has that on the web, but without success chance calculations, and without knowing my follower lineup .. i wonder if they would know that if i ran their client dealy |
| 15:43.42 | Lopeppeppy | Is this fantasy football, or WoW? Just wonderin'. |
| 15:44.03 | znf | Lopeppeppy, WoWVill |
| 15:44.05 | znf | Lopeppeppy, WoWVille |
| 15:44.06 | znf | on facebook |
| 15:45.34 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snark* |
| 15:45.54 | foxlit | ignoring building a reasonable ui for it, it'd be relatively easy to just break out the success chance calculation from the moi suggestions. might be interesting to do anyway, just to double-check that the success chances are actually right. |
| 15:53.02 | Simca | I believe it is very slightly off (by such a small factor it is extremely hard to tell with blizzard's rounding) - I posted in the thread about it |
| 15:53.29 | Simca | the last guy to post there on the 8th had a good theory - overitemleveled multiplier might have slightly different values than I got |
| 15:56.05 | foxlit | i'm conviniently ignoring those by assuming nominal levels for everything |
| 15:56.37 | foxlit | but the partial counters thing is annoying, especially around Dancer. |
| 15:59.31 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/missions?filter=cr=12:12;crs=6:6;crv=0:0 << you had one job, filter :( |
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| 16:08.56 | nevcairiel | I wonder how Harrison Jones abilities/traits work. A differently worded danger zones seems rather underwhelming |
| 16:10.30 | nevcairiel | From the wording, it almost seems like he might counter multiple danger zones, if such a mission even exists |
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| 16:32.18 | mikma | shirik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7VmOZ4Ppj8&index=2&list=PLD6xlNavPLbeVlj2gc5RTShLQtcpNVz-c |
| 16:33.42 | foxlit | nevcairiel: http://www.wowhead.com/mission=208/elements-of-surprise |
| 16:34.36 | nevcairiel | Well with 3 slots hardly a challenge |
| 16:35.29 | foxlit | it's probably just a reskinned danger zones counter. |
| 16:35.43 | foxlit | http://ptr.wowhead.com/garrisonability=248/mentor is potentially more interesting, but they're digging themselves a hole with "follower's combat effectiveness" |
| 16:36.07 | nevcairiel | No idea what that could even remotely be |
| 16:36.25 | foxlit | to hazard a guess: copies Harrison's level/ilevel onto everything else in the party. |
| 16:37.07 | nevcairiel | That would be great for leveling |
| 16:37.29 | nevcairiel | Do a 630 xp mission on a fresh 90 for instant level ups |
| 16:37.30 | foxlit | assuming it works for rewards as well. They could cop out half way and say "fine, their abilities count, but screw you, 10% XP for everything!" |
| 16:37.52 | nevcairiel | Meh, I guess |
| 16:38.17 | foxlit | but assuming it works for the whole thing is nice. Gives some amount of purpose to those 630 missions. |
| 16:39.22 | nevcairiel | I tend to gear my fresh 100s to 630 now so they can run those for quality upgrades |
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| 16:39.50 | nevcairiel | Seems like a bit of wasted gear but my existing followed don't need the 630 gear tokens.. |
| 16:40.07 | foxlit | so no wasted gear at all. |
| 16:41.09 | nevcairiel | I tend to keep at least one or two 645 token around just in case I need to feare one quickly, but otherwise I guess not |
| 16:41.24 | nevcairiel | gear one* |
| 16:41.34 | nevcairiel | Damn phone keys |
| 16:42.01 | foxlit | so two months after the expansion release, I still have no pet menagerie. |
| 16:42.08 | nevcairiel | Me neither |
| 16:42.18 | Maldivia | my highest level pet is 11 :D |
| 16:42.28 | nevcairiel | I cannot beat the carrot and I CBA to level a pet to that goal |
| 16:42.35 | foxlit | completed quest, cannot build building. |
| 16:43.44 | nevcairiel | I've been told to get a moth, but I rather sit idly in a dark corner than doing pet battles at this point |
| 16:44.42 | Stanzilla | howl bomb all the things |
| 16:44.45 | foxlit | everything is significantly easier once you've already got a wide range of level 25 rares. |
| 16:45.14 | nevcairiel | I guees |
| 16:45.19 | nevcairiel | But I do not |
| 16:45.31 | Stanzilla | just let someone with a menagerie level them for you |
| 16:45.36 | Stanzilla | we have a few people that offer that |
| 16:46.04 | foxlit | "Pets Versus Pests may not unlock the Menagerie. We are investigating." << but hey, at least it's a known issue |
| 16:46.27 | foxlit | on the EU forums, where things go to die. |
| 16:46.34 | nevcairiel | I could probably level a half decent setup in a day or so myself, but just cba |
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| 16:48.25 | Maldivia | buy from the AH? :) |
| 16:48.40 | foxlit | the issue is that the minigame is not compelling to nevcairiel. |
| 16:48.55 | foxlit | (probably?) |
| 16:49.27 | nevcairiel | All I would do it for is to get the achievement to be done building my Garrison |
| 16:49.53 | nevcairiel | And possibly a few more pet achievements one day |
| 16:50.22 | nevcairiel | The minigame itself I find boring and lacking |
| 16:52.06 | Dagmar | Yeah there's 10 achievement points I can't care less about |
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| 17:18.31 | Fisker | Unkle |
| 17:32.44 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/z5CssUm.jpg |
| 17:33.11 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 17:34.04 | Neffi | I mean, to be fair, sometimes I don't know if it's just boredom |
| 17:34.28 | Neffi | "Is my heart really in this or is there just nothing better to do?" |
| 17:34.41 | Dagmar | It's nature's little POST test |
| 17:35.02 | Dagmar | ...and a subtle reminder that there are biological imperatives in play. |
| 17:36.11 | Neffi | "Don't you have a job to be doing!?" |
| 17:36.36 | Dagmar | The best part is breaking the news about it to teenage boys. |
| 17:37.07 | Dagmar | "Oh, it'll stop happening in a few years... in your late twenties. Maybe your thirties. Maybe even later. There's no telling, really." |
| 17:37.08 | Neffi | People really do that? I never got the talk. I just kinda learned from my peers |
| 17:37.24 | Dagmar | I overheard some of the punk kids at the coffee house lamenting about it. |
| 17:37.39 | Dagmar | I told them "Dads don't always explain things they don't have a good answer to." |
| 17:37.43 | Neffi | nothing more punk than lamenting about the lack of reproduction going on in their lives |
| 17:37.48 | Neffi | "hell yeah, take that nature!" |
| 17:37.51 | Dagmar | No, more like complaining about "suprise wood" |
| 17:38.14 | Dagmar | Fall asleep in a class for even three seconds and suddenly... |
| 17:38.28 | Dagmar | Gotta carry your books in front of you to the next class. |
| 17:38.52 | Dagmar | They asked me how I dealt with it. My honest answer was "wear looser pants". |
| 17:38.57 | Dagmar | MUahahaha |
| 17:39.03 | Neffi | chuckles |
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| 18:55.31 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/W7JL0rd.png anyone want to take any guesses at the function of this? |
| 18:56.31 | Simca | field 5 is probably an angle |
| 18:56.34 | Simca | but that's all I got |
| 18:57.13 | relaxok | what is it? |
| 18:57.19 | relaxok | dbc? |
| 18:57.53 | relaxok | and what do you think its used for? |
| 18:59.20 | Simca | dbc and I have no idea beyond the name "LookAtController.dbc" |
| 18:59.26 | Simca | new in the PTR build |
| 19:00.41 | relaxok | from the name I'd guess it's variables related to building the view matrix? |
| 19:00.51 | Fisker | Books |
| 19:01.41 | Simca | yeah possibly |
| 19:01.57 | Simca | either that or forced camera settings to make the player look at X |
| 19:02.12 | relaxok | yeah well, that's what it would be used for.. |
| 19:02.17 | relaxok | is there anything in the PTR like that? |
| 19:02.22 | relaxok | feature wise |
| 19:03.07 | relaxok | nothing's really coming to mind though |
| 19:03.10 | Simca | I don't think anyone has done API diffs yet but as far as I know, no |
| 19:03.12 | relaxok | about what they would be |
| 19:03.48 | relaxok | field 5 through field 9 go up in value so might be related to each other |
| 19:03.55 | relaxok | tiers of distance or something |
| 19:04.02 | relaxok | but the values are quite high |
| 19:04.51 | Simca | field 4 is probably an angle* - when it is 360, several adjacent values go to 0 |
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| 19:07.38 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/555078548549935104 |
| 19:07.42 | fewyn | ~extended~ |
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| 19:27.15 | aksa | Is there a way to add pictures / stuff on the UI, i've seen many uis doing that but havent figured out how to do it.. =) |
| 19:28.36 | Neffi | aksa: Are you developing an addon? Or trying to set up your UI as a user? |
| 19:28.51 | aksa | UI, i have no experiecne on developing addons what so ever |
| 19:29.15 | Neffi | you probably want kgPanels. you may also look into SharedMedia, and several of the SharedMedia packs out there |
| 19:29.30 | aksa | Im just starting to clean my ui and making it for my personal use, im pretty nafty about these things.. ^^ |
| 19:31.17 | aksa | Got them thanks, Looking forward for making my ui tomorrow :) |
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| 20:09.34 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHHySrwZw9s for the crusade |
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| 21:01.27 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything that backs up character macros to a space so you can share them between characters? |
| 21:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | i know you can copy the file, but :effort: |
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| 21:09.09 | sb | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/macro-toolkit/ maybe |
| 21:14.52 | nebula169 | probably wouldn't be hard to make a small addon to do it |
| 21:19.57 | Mr_Rabies | it would be if you were me |
| 21:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 21:20.13 | Mr_Rabies | i tried to make one that played a sound when an event fired and couldn't get it to work so |
| 21:20.22 | nebula169 | :p |
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| 21:58.03 | Semlar | pull yourself together, freenode |
| 21:58.25 | Thunder_Child | Read the globals Semlar. |
| 21:58.49 | Semlar | i'll global you |
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| 22:00.16 | Mr_Rabies | the new heirloom dealio is neat |
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| 22:23.53 | Mr_Rabies | oh, failed a 95% mission, eff you game |
| 22:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | eff you :< |
| 22:24.06 | fewyn | welcome to my life Mr_Rabies |
| 22:24.35 | Mr_Rabies | it was a 20k xp one |
| 22:24.36 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 22:27.01 | Semlar | at least it wasn't mythic highmaul |
| 22:27.37 | fewyn | i'm not doing highmaul missions unless i can 100% it now |
| 22:29.05 | nevcairiel | if you cannot 100% every highmaul mission by now, you have been slacking with your follower planning :p |
| 22:29.23 | fewyn | i had been silly and doing a blanket level up |
| 22:29.29 | fewyn | instead of focusing on followers to do it |
| 22:31.25 | nevcairiel | i'm one decent follower away from 100%ing the blackrock missions, assuming i stockpile enough gear upgrades to level them up once the patch hits |
| 22:32.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's kinda awkward planning followers, though |
| 22:33.14 | Mr_Rabies | the missions of interest tab thing is pretty neat but it only considers those missions |
| 22:34.28 | nevcairiel | those are the only ones you actually need to gather followers for |
| 22:35.11 | nevcairiel | all others are pretty easy if you have a balanced lineup (ie multiple followers for every counter, no excess duplicate identical combinations) |
| 22:39.11 | g0urra | just when I thought blizzard made it easier with loot pages, they give more reasons for headaches.. |
| 22:39.24 | fewyn | ? |
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| 22:39.40 | g0urra | all versions of at least a t17 set item has the same ID |
| 22:39.58 | nebula169 | all versions of most items only have one id |
| 22:40.07 | fewyn | that's how loot is now g0urra |
| 22:40.16 | fewyn | has been since 6.0 |
| 22:40.22 | g0urra | thing is though that each database treats it differently |
| 22:40.32 | fewyn | yep |
| 22:40.39 | fewyn | it's not an easy thing to make work correctly |
| 22:40.48 | fewyn | that feels right to the player |
| 22:41.00 | fewyn | not super sure what blizzard was thinking with the change |
| 22:41.20 | g0urra | item ID inflation prevention? |
| 22:41.27 | fewyn | maybe |
| 22:41.49 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 22:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | is there a way to add nocombat to this in a way that won't break everything |
| 22:42.06 | Mr_Rabies | /equipset [noequipped:Fishing Poles,button:1] Fishing |
| 22:42.21 | g0urra | hopefully foxlit the magician has a way to fix that on wowpedia |
| 22:42.26 | fewyn | ids are over 100000 now it looks like |
| 22:42.27 | g0urra | whistles |
| 22:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | just somewhere in the bracket, right? |
| 22:42.48 | g0urra | http://www.wowhead.com/item=115569&bonus=566 = heroic |
| 22:42.50 | g0urra | http://www.wowhead.com/item=115569&bonus=567 = mythic |
| 22:42.52 | g0urra | whyyyy |
| 22:42.55 | fewyn | yeah |
| 22:43.01 | Unkle | . /equipset [noequipped:Fishing Poles,nocombat,button:1] Fishing |
| 22:43.19 | g0urra | luckily wowdb is consistent with that, except it's something like IDbonuses or something |
| 22:43.26 | nevcairiel | honestly this makes much more sense then using different item ids for every version |
| 22:43.31 | nebula169 | ^ |
| 22:43.37 | fewyn | well i can see why it makes sense |
| 22:44.03 | nebula169 | upgrade system doesn't need to know the id of the other versions aswell |
| 22:44.04 | fewyn | I just don't like change okay? |
| 22:44.18 | fewyn | are we even going to see the upgrade system ever again? |
| 22:44.20 | g0urra | I feel the same, fewyn |
| 22:44.23 | ZorbaTHut | I'm betting that the stats of the different variants are generated mathematically and that this simplifies the lives of the designers |
| 22:44.31 | g0urra | looks at old item pages on wowpedia and whimpers |
| 22:44.32 | Mr_Rabies | it sort of exists in heirlooms |
| 22:44.36 | Mr_Rabies | and stuff |
| 22:44.40 | nebula169 | huh? it happens every time an item drops with a socket/etc |
| 22:44.50 | fewyn | the new heirloom stuff sounds pretty cool |
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| 22:45.56 | g0urra | man, still nothing about those elusive heirloom rings |
| 22:46.13 | fewyn | i'm never going to win the fishing contest |
| 22:46.16 | fewyn | so i don't care |
| 22:47.16 | g0urra | I'm speaking of these ones |
| 22:47.16 | g0urra | http://www.wowhead.com/item=62037/gleaming-seal-of-the-archmagus |
| 22:47.20 | g0urra | http://www.wowhead.com/item=62036/ornate-band-of-accuria |
| 22:47.54 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i think they should build items with the upgrade system in mind |
| 22:47.58 | nevcairiel | just because they once put those in the data files doesnt mean they will ever exist :P |
| 22:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | warforged items should be basically upgrade level 1 or whatever |
| 22:48.14 | g0urra | one can hope :P |
| 22:48.17 | fewyn | oh those rings |
| 22:48.20 | Mr_Rabies | basically you get a free upgrade but can get equivalent to warforged |
| 22:48.22 | fewyn | i remember those rings |
| 22:48.26 | Mr_Rabies | by upgrading |
| 22:48.38 | nevcairiel | the upgrade system has no place in the game anymore |
| 22:48.50 | Mr_Rabies | not right now, no |
| 22:49.24 | nevcairiel | there isnt even a viable currency for it right now, not to mention that it would devalue a warforged drop if you can just upgrade to it |
| 22:49.25 | Mr_Rabies | i could see it being used in interesting ways for pvp gear or something |
| 22:49.37 | Mr_Rabies | to me that's a positive |
| 22:49.44 | g0urra | I hear from people that they miss reforging |
| 22:49.51 | g0urra | gtfo reforging was horrible |
| 22:50.00 | Mr_Rabies | the implementation was horrible |
| 22:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | but it sucks if your class benefits from one stat and you can't get any gear that has that stat |
| 22:50.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's really only a problem since there are still huge variances on usefulness on secondary stats |
| 22:50.40 | nevcairiel | no matter how you implement it, it'll never result in interesting gameplay, but always a website that tells you to do it a certain way if you dont want to suck |
| 22:50.47 | Mr_Rabies | until they're almost equal people are gonna be upset |
| 22:51.02 | nevcairiel | and if they are equal gear becomes boring |
| 22:51.03 | nebula169 | highmaul has a low pool of items that aren't itemized very well for most people, hence crying about not being able to reforge |
| 22:51.10 | Mr_Rabies | that's the goal they should be working toward, rough equality between secondary stats |
| 22:51.23 | nevcairiel | nah Mr_Rabies, that takes all the fun out of gearing |
| 22:51.27 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 22:51.31 | nevcairiel | all you go is fetch higher ilvls |
| 22:51.35 | nevcairiel | you dont care at all anymore |
| 22:51.43 | Mr_Rabies | higher ilvls should be inherently better |
| 22:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | this current system is a nightmare |
| 22:52.00 | Mr_Rabies | isntead i have to check every drop on a billion sites to see what's better and hope for the best |
| 22:52.16 | xyphoid | what's the point in secondary stats at all if ilvl is the only thing that matters |
| 22:52.25 | Mr_Rabies | because if they're roughly similar |
| 22:52.30 | Mr_Rabies | you can tailor them based on your gameplay |
| 22:52.40 | Mr_Rabies | you want more crits? go for that, you want faster gameplay, get more haste, etc |
| 22:52.43 | nevcairiel | if they are all the same, might as well fold them into your primary stat and call it a day :P |
| 22:52.48 | Mr_Rabies | but in the end you can do similar dps |
| 22:52.58 | g0urra | psh I just go on AMR |
| 22:52.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying in terms of total dps increase per point |
| 22:53.29 | nevcairiel | why would i care if i crit more or have my individual hits make more base damage, its all the same shit to me |
| 22:53.49 | Mr_Rabies | why do you care if they're the same if it's all the same shit? |
| 22:54.01 | Unkle | Reforging = one more thing to do to an item before I used it. And it meant that only min/max-ed gear was worth using. Basically... all you did was agonize longer over whether or not something was an upgrade, and spend a lot of gold juggling your gear to hit caps/breakpoints. |
| 22:54.03 | nevcairiel | because its boring if its all the same |
| 22:54.16 | Unkle | It was an idea with potential, but didn't ever work out. |
| 22:54.21 | Mr_Rabies | but you just said it was the same already |
| 22:54.22 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 22:54.31 | g0urra | people just used Ask Mr Robot |
| 22:54.39 | nevcairiel | no, it would be the same in your weird world |
| 22:54.42 | g0urra | and ReforgeLite |
| 22:54.44 | nevcairiel | right now, i have to actually pick |
| 22:54.47 | Mr_Rabies | no you don't |
| 22:54.49 | Mr_Rabies | you just go |
| 22:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | welp, i don't need haste |
| 22:55.00 | Unkle | Like in WotLK where classes all just gemmed to stack the most of whatever stat EJ or mr. Robot told them to. |
| 22:55.00 | Mr_Rabies | or is it better? i better check AMR |
| 22:55.06 | Mr_Rabies | okay AMR says it's better, but pawn says it's not |
| 22:55.10 | Mr_Rabies | well lemme check this site |
| 22:55.10 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 22:55.25 | xyphoid | gear selection is kind of a type of gameplay that's become obselete with third-party sites |
| 22:55.26 | nevcairiel | however you pick is your own choice :p |
| 22:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | ilvl should be a clear identifier for item power, and secondary stats should have roughly the same dps increase so you can choose based on gameplay you like |
| 22:55.54 | xyphoid | wonder if they'll suck it up one day and roll 'which is the best item' into the core client like they did with the dungeon journal |
| 22:55.57 | Unkle | Yeah, actually ... gearing is the part of WoW I like least of all. |
| 22:56.23 | Mr_Rabies | if you want to be able to cast more on the move you can, etc in exchange for lower crit rate, etc |
| 22:56.35 | Mr_Rabies | well, cast faster so you can move more often without clipping |
| 22:56.37 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: but the point is, a dps'er doesnt really care if he crits, multi-strikes, or does more flat damage .. it doesnt change gameplay at all, it just makes for different composition of numbers |
| 22:57.06 | nevcairiel | haste might be slightly special since it actually changes something for you, but its the only one |
| 22:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | not true |
| 22:57.21 | Mr_Rabies | all kinds of classes have neat things that can benefit from each stat |
| 22:57.37 | Mr_Rabies | like, more crits for feral druids and maybe some rogue specs means more combo points |
| 22:57.41 | Unkle | Depends on the class design and whether or not GCD is your real limitation. |
| 22:57.48 | nevcairiel | they wouldnt have those anymore if you want them the benefit equally from all stats :D |
| 22:57.56 | Mr_Rabies | not true |
| 22:58.09 | Mr_Rabies | you could balance around those |
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| 22:58.25 | Mr_Rabies | another solution would be 3 secondary stats on items |
| 22:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | or more |
| 22:58.44 | Mr_Rabies | right now limiting it to 2 means some classes benefit from the current system way more than others |
| 22:58.57 | xyphoid | bring back resist sets |
| 22:59.17 | nevcairiel | well, believe what you want, luckily its never going to happen |
| 22:59.41 | Mr_Rabies | itemization is in a worse state now than it was with reforging, not that i like reforging |
| 22:59.52 | Mr_Rabies | but due to failing to bring secondary stats more in line, it's a nightmare |
| 23:00.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's fairly common to lose 15+ ilvls and still have more dps |
| 23:00.17 | nevcairiel | people are just upset because of highmauls small loot table, but who cares about highmaul in a month, and blackrock foundry has vastly bigger loot tables with more secondary stat choices |
| 23:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | and that's dumb |
| 23:00.30 | xyphoid | WoW has kind of moved away from 'i want this particular bit of gear' as a motivator |
| 23:01.05 | Mr_Rabies | and what do you do if something's an upgrade for you, but it's a bigger upgrade for someone else? not roll on it and hope that eventually your big upgrade will happen? |
| 23:01.07 | Arrowmaster | that was my primary motivator in MC/BWL days |
| 23:01.08 | Mr_Rabies | with such huge loot tables? |
| 23:01.10 | Unkle | Yeah, it's more like "get to this iLevel range in your armor/weapon types and you'll be ok." |
| 23:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really that way anymore, though |
| 23:01.35 | Mr_Rabies | it was in late MoP |
| 23:01.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really that way right now |
| 23:02.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely possible for a 645 item to be better than a 670 item if it doesn't have the secondary stats you need |
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| 23:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | don't get me wrong, i hate reforging as it means you have to wait to equip an item, but you STILL DO |
| 23:02.42 | nebula169 | maybe if you're a tank, primary stats are still >>> for almost everyone |
| 23:02.49 | Mr_Rabies | because you don't know if something's an upgrade without running it through AMR still |
| 23:02.59 | Mr_Rabies | the only difference is you're tying up an item someone else could use |
| 23:03.06 | Mr_Rabies | only barely for feral |
| 23:03.12 | Mr_Rabies | since agility doesn't give crit anymore |
| 23:03.20 | Mr_Rabies | crit is really, really close to agility |
| 23:04.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying they basically failed in their goal to get an item and immediately know it's an upgrade |
| 23:04.32 | Mr_Rabies | they need to nerf secondary stats across the board, bring them in line, or add another slot for secondary stats on gear |
| 23:06.09 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it'll clear up once the bigger loot tables are out like you're saying |
| 23:06.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm worried it'll just add to the problem |
| 23:06.25 | Mr_Rabies | because you may get at 5% bonus from an item but someone else might get a 15% bonus |
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| 23:06.54 | Mr_Rabies | and when you're the one that could use the item a lot more, it sucks to lose it and know that since the loot tables are so huge you may never see it again |
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| 23:07.07 | Mr_Rabies | we're doing personal right now to combat that issue, but it's still worrying |
| 23:08.22 | nevcairiel | that wasnt really their goal, their goal was to get an upgrade and be immediately able to equip it |
| 23:08.22 | nevcairiel | also i dont know why you complain, crit is present on most leather armor slots out of highmaul, and expecting every single slot to have it in a small raid like highmaul is kinda pushing it :d |
| 23:09.19 | nevcairiel | so small loot tables suck, big loot tables suck, and your solution is to make items super generic? luckily you dont work for blizzard :P |
| 23:09.31 | Mr_Rabies | it kinda sucks to replace a 676 warforged with a 655 item because the 676 has no crit |
| 23:09.37 | Mr_Rabies | that's basically what i'm saying |
| 23:10.36 | nevcairiel | with the extra primary stat, and the other secondary stats not being zero, i question your choice in that replace however :p |
| 23:10.48 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 23:11.42 | Mr_Rabies | i've got a handful of rings, etc that are better at 646 because of a gemslot, etc |
| 23:11.54 | nevcairiel | many people always seem to act like the unfavorable secondaries dont add anything at all and need to be purged from their gear |
| 23:11.54 | Mr_Rabies | over a 655 |
| 23:12.04 | Mr_Rabies | 676->655 is probably big enough for agi to make up |
| 23:12.46 | foxlit | you know what's better than a 646 with a socket? a 655 with a socket. |
| 23:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | at one point i had a 615 trinket that was more dps than the darkmoon trinket, but trinket itemization is a whole other can of worms i'm not talking about here |
| 23:12.55 | nevcairiel | well sure, a gem can add that extra power to tilt 646 over |
| 23:13.05 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but you can't really rely on a socket |
| 23:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's not like i could force one to drop or anything |
| 23:13.22 | nevcairiel | but 646 is double-upgraded |
| 23:13.27 | nevcairiel | 646 with socket* |
| 23:13.39 | Mr_Rabies | maybe if the ilvl went up with upgrades it'd feel less crazy |
| 23:13.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's just a terrible measure of item power right now |
| 23:14.01 | foxlit | I believe I've suggested replacing all stats with "awesomeness rating" in the past. |
| 23:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | that's basically what i'm doing right now with pawn |
| 23:14.19 | nevcairiel | warforged does increase ilvl, its just your socket example that doesnt :p |
| 23:14.22 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm relying on their weights |
| 23:14.46 | foxlit | (and it's a horrible suggestion!) |
| 23:14.49 | Mr_Rabies | which is less than a big deal |
| 23:15.02 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 23:15.12 | Mr_Rabies | less than ideal, my brain exploded midsentence i think |
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| 23:15.45 | Mr_Rabies | and using simcraft to get weights is okay, but i don't even really trust my own simulations |
| 23:16.08 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really think doing all that should be necessary, though, but it kinda is right now |
| 23:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't run simulations throughout any of MoP |
| 23:16.38 | Mr_Rabies | i just wasted a lot of gold having AMR tell me what to reforge |
| 23:17.01 | nevcairiel | thats really the same thing, you just had a website do it for you without any thought |
| 23:17.17 | Mr_Rabies | i still have no thought |
| 23:17.23 | Mr_Rabies | i just hope i have simcraft setup properly |
| 23:17.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather just see oh hey that's 655 that's better than a 645 item no matter what |
| 23:18.07 | Mr_Rabies | as long as it's not an item without whatever primary stat i need |
| 23:18.29 | nevcairiel | but thats just boring, there is no flavor, no choice |
| 23:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | there's no choice anyway, really |
| 23:18.38 | Mr_Rabies | you get what drops |
| 23:19.01 | Mr_Rabies | RNG does your choosing for you until you've got everything on farm |
| 23:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | and then who cares |
| 23:19.10 | Mr_Rabies | you've got everything on farm |
| 23:19.16 | nevcairiel | while it may seem somewhat boring right now because there simply is only one item for many slots, blackrock has usually 2 off-sets for every slot, plus the highmaul item, plus the 5 set slots |
| 23:20.17 | Mr_Rabies | we usually have everything for a difficulty cleared long before i have even one item for every slot from that difficulty |
| 23:20.33 | Mr_Rabies | so the idea of choice is pretty minor anyway |
| 23:20.56 | nevcairiel | thats pretty normal, since the last boss typically drops the items for one of those slots :P |
| 23:21.28 | Mr_Rabies | but that basically means there's no choice when it comes down to it |
| 23:22.14 | Mr_Rabies | personal loot fixes that somewhat but most people are saying personal is way slower in the long run |
| 23:22.54 | nevcairiel | thats not necessarily true, unless your guild also just runs through mythic, you'll eventually come to a point where you progress quite a bit slower but have a lower difficulty to farm gear for your progress and can optimize |
| 23:23.23 | nevcairiel | .. and if you just run through mythic, who needs gear anyway |
| 23:23.43 | nevcairiel | worst case you can just gear for the next tier :d |
| 23:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | our limited raid time really multiplies the issues with itemization, though |
| 23:24.44 | Mr_Rabies | we're fairly hardcore when we're in the raid but we only run 6 hours a week, so we really see things under a microscope |
| 23:25.25 | nevcairiel | obviously i dont know your progress, but with 6 hours of dedicated raiding you can still clear quite a bit right now, i know we do with similar time |
| 23:25.38 | Mr_Rabies | we're hardcore in terms of performance if not in terms of how long we spend in there |
| 23:25.46 | Mr_Rabies | we take 2 5 minute breaks one hour and then 2 hours in |
| 23:25.49 | Mr_Rabies | that's it |
| 23:26.21 | Unkle | Man, not even OSHA compliant. |
| 23:26.44 | Mr_Rabies | we managed to get heroic tectus, brackenspore, and ogron last week, if we had more time no doubt we'd be in mythic by now |
| 23:26.56 | *** join/#wowuidev [TOM_RUS] (something@178.35.150.18) |
| 23:27.10 | nevcairiel | our half-casual guild has more progress, yay :P |
| 23:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | it was our first attempt on tectus, second night on ogron and brackenspore, i think |
| 23:27.26 | nevcairiel | but we dont have enough people to do mythic once we kill imperator :( |
| 23:27.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah we need more time |
| 23:27.40 | Mr_Rabies | we also are having some significant churn |
| 23:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | we're cutting out the chaff as we go along |
| 23:27.59 | Mr_Rabies | we started with 28 and we're down to 18 i think |
| 23:28.08 | nevcairiel | we average on 17 people in the raids or so right now .. just recruited one more .. need a few more for mythic |
| 23:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately we also have people running ahead of the guild and clearing stuff in pugs :| |
| 23:28.59 | Mr_Rabies | so it's kind of a mess but our realm is small |
| 23:29.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's hard to get 20 reliable players |
| 23:30.05 | nevcairiel | we had a stable 20 for SoO mythic, but somehow we lost a few with the xpac, not quite sure where they went |
| 23:30.45 | nevcairiel | i bet they'll all reappear once we recruited a few more just to overflow our roster :P |
| 23:31.07 | Unkle | I've said it before, the hardest part of WoW is the "Social/Organizing" game. |
| 23:31.46 | nevcairiel | i really love the flexibility of heroic now, a mode thats not super trivialized but still flexible is neat |
| 23:32.23 | nevcairiel | our guild doesn't necessarily have the goal to clear mythic, but once heroic is clear it sure would be nice to dabble until blackrock foundry is here |
| 23:32.53 | nevcairiel | (and after heroic brf is done as well, of course) |
| 23:56.09 | foxlit | psst, http://www.townlong-yak.com/master-plan/data/ |
| 23:59.38 | nebula169 | what all are you collecting that you can't get from wowhead/etc |
