| 00:00.08 | Thunder_Child | That doesn't sound legal. |
| 00:00.26 | Shirik | well technically they can't stop me |
| 00:00.42 | Fisker | So why are they? |
| 00:01.57 | Shirik | but it would be a negative factor on my background investigation |
| 00:02.19 | Fisker | Why? |
| 00:02.38 | Fisker | And you're already hired so why do they need a new one? |
| 00:04.03 | Shirik | I have to have a new background investigation periodically |
| 00:05.12 | Fisker | So why are they specifically suspicious? |
| 00:05.25 | Shirik | foreign stocks? because the government makes stupid rules |
| 00:06.32 | Unkle | Shirik: Honda America exisits |
| 00:06.43 | Fisker | What if the enemy is domestic? |
| 00:07.45 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
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| 00:11.32 | Unkle | hey Fisker |
| 00:17.33 | Primer | Anyone know of a way of automating the essence font thing for DEing stuff? |
| 00:17.55 | Primer | Something that I can bind to a key to trigger it |
| 00:26.15 | Simca | might be possible |
| 00:26.30 | Simca | you'll have to play around with the spell confirmation API which is very undocumented |
| 00:29.02 | Primer | I had saved every soulbound item while leveling my DK, and all of it barely fit into my bags. I had to put everything I had in the bank, then vendor and buyback a few things |
| 00:29.19 | Primer | clicking through the DE process was very tedious |
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| 01:31.55 | kd3 | whee, new dsl modem! now with ipv6 and double the downstream bandwidth (all of 3500kbps) |
| 01:33.50 | Semlar | throttles kd3 |
| 02:03.34 | Arrowmaster | at least youve got ipv6 |
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| 02:08.07 | Minaah_DH | Hello folks, anyone free for an addon problem / question? |
| 02:08.14 | bshelden | I wonder if my ISP ever intends to last mile ipv6 |
| 02:13.51 | Minaah_DH | Anyone to home ? |
| 02:14.16 | bshelden | ~asktoask |
| 02:14.17 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 02:18.20 | Minaah_DH | ahh okie doke, sorry.. new to this channel /smile |
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| 02:19.38 | Minaah_DH | am using CompactRaid frame addon, which is a simpler Grid, essentially. It was updated for prepatch 6.02, but not since, and all settings changes I make to the corner indicator modules, keep resetting on reload ui or logout. |
| 02:20.09 | Minaah_DH | Anyone familiar w/that addon at all? tried to contact author / left bug report, no reply in past few months when it was updated 10/19/2014 |
| 02:21.26 | Minaah_DH | Am not hugely knowledgeable w/LUA but figured out how to add missing 'Germination' buff and Mastery:Harmony to the trackable buffs defaults, but yah. the saving thing is the big problem. |
| 02:27.51 | Semlar | do any of your other addons lose their settings |
| 02:28.18 | Minaah_DH | nope |
| 02:28.26 | Minaah_DH | just that one, and just for that module |
| 02:28.38 | Simca | the changes aren't getting set to the savedvariables then |
| 02:29.08 | Minaah_DH | ok, anything in the addon Lua settings anyplace to look for that sets that / changes it ? |
| 02:29.28 | Semlar | find out what the saved variable table is called in the toc file |
| 02:29.44 | Minaah_DH | kk let me open the folder |
| 02:30.44 | Minaah_DH | SavedVariables: CompactRaidDB ... that it ? |
| 02:30.52 | Semlar | yes |
| 02:31.28 | Semlar | well, no there are 2 tables here |
| 02:31.35 | Semlar | one is a per character table |
| 02:31.51 | Semlar | are these character-specific settings that aren't being saved? |
| 02:32.21 | Minaah_DH | nope, none of my chars are getting saved when i add spells to track / show, w/that module |
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| 02:32.52 | Semlar | let me rephrase that, can you set these setting separately on different characters |
| 02:33.01 | Minaah_DH | yep |
| 02:33.28 | Minaah_DH | it seems tied to the class I'm on, when I am in the Corner Indicator mod config |
| 02:33.38 | Minaah_DH | so diff spells etc, for each to add / show |
| 02:36.58 | Minaah_DH | in the corner mod folder, there is a 'defaults' file, that you can add spells to, per their ID and set the default tracking for, thats how I added Germination / Harmony and Clarity of Will, for 2 of my healers so far, but yah the saving thing is driving me loopy. |
| 02:38.13 | Semlar | this is too modular for me |
| 02:38.42 | Semlar | but i don't see anywhere that it's even attempting to save settings |
| 02:39.07 | Simca | does it use AceDB? |
| 02:39.14 | Minaah_DH | yah. that was my issue, the little bit of lua stuff I've gleaned from playing w/basic configs left me stumped, figured it was a saving location prob, but didnt know where |
| 02:39.23 | Semlar | it's not using ace |
| 02:39.33 | Minaah_DH | kk |
| 02:40.16 | Minaah_DH | do you have it in front of you also ? Could it be the fact that his last update was done for patch 6.02 and not 6.03 so the toc is outdated ? |
| 02:40.33 | Semlar | no |
| 02:40.42 | Minaah_DH | k, figured that was too simple, hahaa |
| 02:42.00 | Minaah_DH | oh, you do the 'foglight' addon dont ya? Love that simple little thing on my baby alts |
| 02:42.11 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 02:42.31 | Semlar | you should try my flight map addon |
| 02:42.56 | Minaah_DH | I've tried using Grid / Grid 2 / Healbot / Vuhdo etc. for my raid healing, but the CompactRaid when it works right, is so nice and user friendly |
| 02:43.11 | Minaah_DH | oh, i think i do have that one as well actually. |
| 02:43.18 | Semlar | so it has an options frame but doesn't remember anything |
| 02:43.24 | Minaah_DH | it used to |
| 02:43.27 | Minaah_DH | pre 6.03 |
| 02:43.34 | Torhal | You should try the stuff Semlar hasn't released but keeps talking about. |
| 02:43.35 | Minaah_DH | just fine, never had a prob w/it |
| 02:43.35 | Torhal | >.> |
| 02:43.42 | Semlar | no torhal |
| 02:43.42 | Minaah_DH | hahaaa |
| 02:43.55 | Semlar | no addons for you |
| 02:44.00 | Torhal | :/ |
| 02:44.06 | Semlar | okay maybe a lil |
| 02:44.33 | Semlar | it used to work? have you tried just using the older version? |
| 02:44.40 | Minaah_DH | it has like a main config, and then 1 config for each of its 4 modules. one for frame art, one for indicators, one for click-set bindings and yah maybe its just those 3 mods and the main one. |
| 02:44.50 | Semlar | what was the last working version |
| 02:44.55 | Simca | tiny should go through IRC and pick every half-finished addon he's linked and make a "semlar's addons" section |
| 02:45.05 | Semlar | :O |
| 02:45.13 | kd3 | don't give tiny ideas |
| 02:45.15 | Minaah_DH | probably pre 6.02 patch .. can go to curseforge and look ? |
| 02:45.16 | Torhal | Wow, Simca. |
| 02:45.27 | Minaah_DH | sec |
| 02:45.32 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.16 | Minaah_DH | yep am there |
| 02:46.24 | Torhal | Wow, WTF... |
| 02:46.37 | Torhal | Oh, nevermind. I need to go to bed. |
| 02:46.44 | Minaah_DH | Night Tor, /wave |
| 02:46.45 | kd3 | it's 8:46 your time |
| 02:46.48 | kd3 | getting old? |
| 02:46.58 | Torhal | I glanced at the download counts and thought those were file sizes. I thought "Why the HELL is it varying so much?" |
| 02:46.58 | Semlar | torhal was up all night rocking |
| 02:47.12 | Torhal | kd3: I've been getting up anywhere from 3:30 - 5:30am |
| 02:47.18 | kd3 | ouch |
| 02:47.34 | Torhal | Eh, floating schedule (up to 10am) so getting in early means leaving early. |
| 02:47.38 | Fisker | Bye Torhal |
| 02:47.41 | Semlar | alright well i have no idea how to fix this, but if one of these older versions works i would just switch to that |
| 02:47.43 | kullervo | better than going to sleep anywhere from 9pm to 9:00 am |
| 02:47.52 | Torhal | And this time of year, leaving early means still having sunlight. |
| 02:47.55 | Torhal | Yah. |
| 02:48.02 | kullervo | while having to be up at 14 every day |
| 02:48.16 | Torhal | Ick |
| 02:48.17 | Minaah_DH | I'm a vampire, me loves the night, Sun baaaad, /cringe |
| 02:48.30 | Fisker | Sun bad but me want sleep |
| 02:48.52 | Kowh | How does WoW handle corrupted saved settings files? In Wildstar it'd silently fail and exhibit the same behaviour of not saving changes. |
| 02:49.11 | Semlar | probably just not load the file |
| 02:49.12 | Torhal | Kowh: It's a Lua table either way, so same. |
| 02:49.14 | Minaah_DH | Should i maybe try the 6.02 version that was 2 days before the most recent one ? |
| 02:49.20 | Kowh | Blowing away the file fixed it, usually. |
| 02:49.58 | Semlar | he went up a major version for the WoD release so i don't know what he changed |
| 02:50.14 | Simca | Minaah_DH: what is an example of a module that saves settings that works? |
| 02:50.40 | Minaah_DH | hmmm i think the frame artwork one |
| 02:50.58 | Minaah_DH | i dont use the click sets one, since i use Cairenn's Clique |
| 02:51.04 | Minaah_DH | so not sure on that one |
| 02:51.55 | Semlar | i would take the last version that worked and diff it with the most recent version to see what's changed but that would require doing things |
| 02:52.13 | Minaah_DH | have em both open in notepad++? |
| 02:52.17 | Minaah_DH | and see whats diff? |
| 02:52.36 | Torhal | You mean jnwhiteh's Clique, I believe. :D |
| 02:52.49 | Fisker | Depends Torhal |
| 02:52.49 | Minaah_DH | ooooh, thought it was Cair, oops, my bad |
| 02:52.55 | Fisker | Go to bed |
| 02:53.01 | Torhal | I willllll. |
| 02:53.16 | Torhal | puts out a bounty on Fisker. |
| 02:53.23 | Torhal | $2 |
| 02:53.29 | Fisker | Nice |
| 02:53.33 | Fisker | Kill me |
| 02:53.36 | Torhal | :/ |
| 02:53.48 | Fisker | You get $2 |
| 02:53.56 | Torhal | I can't pay myself! |
| 02:54.16 | Fisker | Sure you can |
| 02:54.19 | Torhal | revokes the bounty and goes to bed. |
| 02:54.28 | Fisker | Night |
| 02:54.37 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.39 | Simca | there is like 6 different names in play for the DB |
| 02:54.48 | Semlar | yeah i gave up |
| 02:54.55 | Semlar | too much reading |
| 02:55.06 | Semlar | i'm gonna go take a nap |
| 02:55.13 | Torhal | TS;CR? |
| 02:55.22 | Torhal | Too Spaghettified; Couldn't Read? |
| 02:55.28 | Torhal | sleeps. |
| 02:55.44 | Simca | CompactRaidDB becomes self.db becomes addon.db. addon.db[name] becomes accountdb, and then accountdb becomes module.db |
| 02:56.26 | Minaah_DH | kk, LUA idiot here, what does that mean? hahaa |
| 02:56.38 | Semlar | it means the author should fix it |
| 02:56.45 | Semlar | go yell at him |
| 02:56.48 | Minaah_DH | yah, seems he's vanished, hahaa |
| 02:56.51 | Minaah_DH | already tried |
| 02:56.54 | Fisker | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 02:57.25 | Simca | Minaah_DH: what's the thing you want saved in CornerIndicators? |
| 02:57.33 | Minaah_DH | left him private message and ticket/comments for the addon page itself. No dice since last update sadly, hence lookin' for a little guidance |
| 02:57.37 | Simca | positioning? |
| 02:57.54 | Semlar | *adds new saved variable* |
| 02:57.57 | Minaah_DH | I was trying to get Germination to show, as a 'cube' in one of the designated frame corners |
| 02:58.14 | Minaah_DH | as well as Harmony, to track the 'mastery' buff on myself ,am a Resto druid btw |
| 02:59.09 | Minaah_DH | wanted to add Clarity of Will tracking for my disc priestly as well. I was able to add them so they were visible in the drop down box to add them in the config mod, but yah any settings I made to WHERE they tracked, wouldnt show etc. |
| 02:59.38 | Minaah_DH | or rather, arent saving |
| 02:59.44 | Minaah_DH | if that helps ? |
| 03:00.01 | Simca | wait do you mean they aren't persisting through logout/reload or that they aren't applying at all |
| 03:00.09 | Minaah_DH | wont persist |
| 03:00.15 | Minaah_DH | thru reload or logout/in\ |
| 03:00.19 | Simca | gotcha |
| 03:00.27 | Minaah_DH | but the spells stay in there as options to choose |
| 03:02.28 | Simca | db.xoffset, db.yoffset |
| 03:02.38 | Simca | i think those are the specific variables not being saved right |
| 03:03.42 | Minaah_DH | ok, what do those do and can we fix em ? |
| 03:05.52 | Minaah_DH | I even tried to be sneaky, and perma add the positions in the default settings for those spells, like it already has for Lifebloom / Rejuv / wildgrowth and Regrowth.. but either I goofed somethin, so those didnt save either. |
| 03:08.49 | Minaah_DH | 155675, -- Germination |
| 03:08.49 | Minaah_DH | 77495, -- Harmony |
| 03:08.49 | Minaah_DH | 152118, -- Clarity of Will -- those are the spells I added to be useable, and tried to make them hard-coded as always there in the 'druid' default positions thing, but yah I may have fubarred that, so undid it later. |
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| 03:09.17 | Simca | i swear the number of times he renames this database variable it's like he is trying to obfuscate this code |
| 03:10.47 | Minaah_DH | oh dear, seems convoluted |
| 03:14.03 | Simca | what happens when you type /dump CompactRaidDB |
| 03:14.06 | Minaah_DH | Thank you soo much btw for the help, this has been driving me crazy the past few months. As a main healer / raid leader, gets annoying to keep resetting everything each time I log / crash or reload ui, hahaa |
| 03:14.16 | Minaah_DH | in game? sec let me login and look |
| 03:16.07 | Minaah_DH | shitload of stuff scrolled by and ended w/a 'skipped 7' in red text |
| 03:17.21 | Simca | how long have you been using this addon? |
| 03:17.43 | Minaah_DH | since 2011 when it came out pretty much or right after at latest? |
| 03:18.04 | Minaah_DH | stopped a few times btween updates if he was slow to fix it, but otherwise, pretty consistently |
| 03:18.34 | Simca | might be annoying but try removing your CompactRaid.WTF file for a few minutes and testing if settings stick then. |
| 03:18.54 | Simca | there are a ton of 'convert' functions in here to convert from some old database structure |
| 03:19.06 | Simca | if you have remnants of that old structure it could be a problem |
| 03:19.33 | Minaah_DH | ahh ok, just get rid of all the settings for it basically? |
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| 03:19.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:20.06 | Minaah_DH | i did that w/the curse tool earlier, but I'll manually go look if there is anything leftover. |
| 03:20.32 | Minaah_DH | in saved variables? in WTF? |
| 03:20.48 | corchlan | hi all, i'm completely new to wow ui programming, but an experienced programmer (but not in lua) |
| 03:21.16 | corchlan | what i'm trying to figure out how to do is export info on all my garrison followers from wow to anywhere else on my computer |
| 03:21.46 | corchlan | my initial idea is to use broker everything and get it to dump its follower data to an editable text frame i can copy from |
| 03:21.56 | corchlan | is that a reasonable approach, or is there something better? |
| 03:22.12 | corchlan | is there already something i can connect to broker everything that will do that, or do i need to write it myself? |
| 03:22.33 | Semlar | well your options are either to copy text out of an edit box or write to the saved variables file |
| 03:22.39 | Simca | maybe wowlua - i think it has an editable text frame with output |
| 03:23.07 | corchlan | ok, installing wowlua now |
| 03:23.19 | Simca | but yeah i just made a simple addon called 'outputstuff' and i use it from time to collect all battle pet API data |
| 03:23.35 | corchlan | yeah |
| 03:24.03 | corchlan | i want to look at picking a highmaul mission team from my followers |
| 03:24.15 | corchlan | simple combinatorics i know how to do in lots of other languages |
| 03:24.36 | corchlan | so i figured i'd dump the data on who can counter what and work on it in something i know well |
| 03:24.39 | Semlar | i wrote something to export guild info in csv format if you want to just take that and use the garrison api functions to populate it |
| 03:24.44 | Minaah_DH | there's an addon that helps assemble good teams for the common mission threats Corch, if ya want somethin like that? |
| 03:24.52 | Simca | MasterPlan can do Highmaul mission planning |
| 03:24.57 | Semlar | masterplan only plan |
| 03:24.59 | Minaah_DH | including the highmau ones etc yah THAT one |
| 03:25.09 | Simca | unless you want the exact % |
| 03:25.11 | Minaah_DH | love that feature hehe |
| 03:25.11 | corchlan | yeah, i have that, but i'd like to verify its results |
| 03:25.17 | Minaah_DH | ah got ya |
| 03:25.22 | corchlan | and anyway i had the idea for this over xmas before master plan had that feature :) |
| 03:25.38 | corchlan | and wrote half the analysis code already, so i'd like to try to finish it up |
| 03:26.08 | corchlan | the "missions of interest" tab seems to have been added less than two weeks ago |
| 03:26.30 | corchlan | semlar, where can i find your csv addon? |
| 03:26.43 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.53 | corchlan | awesome |
| 03:27.03 | Semlar | just go to the bottom where the slash command is and add whatever you want |
| 03:27.09 | corchlan | i kept googling for export addons, but couldn't narrow it down enough to find anything useful |
| 03:27.10 | Semlar | the rest is just to make the edit box |
| 03:27.18 | Minaah_DH | hey Sem, i went thru WTF, got rid of all the compract raid references I saw in all my saved variable files, on all chars |
| 03:28.48 | Minaah_DH | bah, Compact even, fat fingers ftl |
| 03:31.14 | corchlan | is the garrison api properly documented somewhere? http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#garrison is almost entirely "This function is not yet documented" |
| 03:31.43 | Simca | no |
| 03:31.46 | Semlar | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/live/AddOns/Blizzard_GarrisonUI |
| 03:33.10 | Semlar | you could probably just ctrl+F "c_garrison" in https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/AddOns/Blizzard_GarrisonUI/Blizzard_GarrisonMissionUI.lua |
| 03:33.47 | Semlar | to figure out what they return |
| 03:33.52 | Minaah_DH | Crazy # of DB references in that github link ya posted, sorry slow to get there hahaa. Is that what you were talkin about ? |
| 03:34.35 | Semlar | that as a diff between 3.83 and 4.02 to see if there were any changes to the corner module but there aren't |
| 03:35.12 | Minaah_DH | ahh gotcha |
| 03:35.40 | Semlar | there may be changes to how the db is handled but i don't know what these changed |
| 03:36.51 | Minaah_DH | ah ok |
| 03:38.29 | Semlar | this seems to possibly handle old versions of the database separately from the new format so that might be why it's not working |
| 03:39.10 | Semlar | did deleting the old saved variables make a difference? |
| 03:39.30 | Minaah_DH | testing that now |
| 03:39.33 | Minaah_DH | brb |
| 03:40.17 | jleclanche | Simca: haha haunted memento was the #1 source of spawns? holy shit |
| 03:40.17 | corchlan | ok, stub attempt with just names |
| 03:40.20 | corchlan | here goes nothing.... |
| 03:40.39 | Minaah_DH | good luck Corch! |
| 03:40.46 | jleclanche | Simca: the item is so incredibly rare, I wonder how it can be a higher source than, say, pets |
| 03:41.30 | Semlar | because it's constantly despawning |
| 03:41.34 | Simca | pets all have unique |
| 03:41.35 | Simca | GUIDs |
| 03:41.50 | corchlan | and fail |
| 03:41.51 | jleclanche | Simca: sure but I'm talking pets in general |
| 03:41.59 | corchlan | error something or other captured, click link for more info |
| 03:42.04 | corchlan | link doesn't click.... |
| 03:42.50 | Simca | you should get this for error messages: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/bugsack |
| 03:42.56 | Semlar | it sounds like he has that |
| 03:43.06 | Semlar | since that's not the normal error handler |
| 03:43.11 | corchlan | just turned on swatter |
| 03:43.15 | Simca | ah |
| 03:43.19 | corchlan | now i have a ui for the error |
| 03:43.52 | corchlan | stupid newb question: how do i reload an addon after i make changes? |
| 03:43.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.01 | corchlan | ah |
| 03:44.05 | corchlan | makes sense :) |
| 03:44.26 | Semlar | unless you added new files in which case you have to restart the game |
| 03:45.48 | corchlan | and now the slash command doesn't work |
| 03:46.06 | Semlar | you broke it |
| 03:46.12 | Minaah_DH | Ahh bugger, nope, still resetting and not saving.. even on the default 'hard coded' spells. Booo |
| 03:46.27 | corchlan | ah, compiler error |
| 03:46.33 | corchlan | well, interpreter i guess technically :) |
| 03:48.12 | corchlan | and working! |
| 03:48.22 | Semlar | woo |
| 03:48.23 | corchlan | now to decode abilities |
| 03:50.13 | Minaah_DH | boo, off to see if adding the spells to the defaults helps at all |
| 03:50.22 | Jamash | Minaah_DH: where is wow installed on your computer? |
| 03:51.10 | Semlar | i don't suppose you're using a mac |
| 03:51.25 | Semlar | i don't even know if that bug is still around |
| 03:51.27 | Minaah_DH | wow is on C drive, and nope, a PC |
| 03:51.40 | Jamash | on c drive in Program Files or where? |
| 03:51.43 | Minaah_DH | on the root, basically |
| 03:51.50 | Semlar | there was some bug about players with special characters in their names incapable of saving per-character variables |
| 03:51.53 | Jamash | okay, so not a virtualstore issue probably |
| 03:51.53 | Minaah_DH | in folder called World of Warcraft |
| 03:52.06 | Minaah_DH | yah none of my toons use special Chars |
| 03:52.24 | Semlar | they've probably fixed that by now anyway |
| 03:52.30 | Simca | line 68 of CompactRaid\Modules\CornerIndicators\OptionFrame.lua is as far as I've tracked the issue so far |
| 03:52.45 | Minaah_DH | whats that doing? |
| 03:52.47 | Simca | activeOptionDB.xoffset, activeOptionDB.yoffset = xoffset, yoffset |
| 03:52.47 | Simca | module:SaveOptionData() |
| 03:53.09 | Minaah_DH | is that whats saving / not-saving ? |
| 03:53.29 | Simca | that is where it is trying to save it |
| 03:53.33 | Simca | i don't know why it isn't |
| 03:53.47 | Semlar | issue is probably in optionframes/optionframe.lua |
| 03:54.49 | Minaah_DH | ahh |
| 03:55.06 | corchlan | another dumb question -- what's the main thing that slows down /reload? is the number of addons i have enabled involved? |
| 03:55.12 | Simca | yes |
| 03:55.15 | Simca | it is the primary factor |
| 03:55.16 | corchlan | cause it's taking ~15s for me, and that's a pain |
| 03:55.32 | Semlar | maybe, depends on how long it takes without addons enabled |
| 03:55.37 | corchlan | is there such a thing as an addon manager addon? |
| 03:55.43 | Simca | yes |
| 03:55.43 | corchlan | i'd like to be able to save sets of addons |
| 03:55.55 | Simca | AddonControlPanel |
| 03:56.04 | corchlan | so i could turn off everything but this, but still be able to go back to my normal set |
| 03:56.05 | corchlan | great |
| 03:56.34 | corchlan | is that new to the draenor in-game addons management, or has that always been possible? |
| 03:56.38 | Jamash | I can second ACP, it's pretty awesome |
| 03:56.47 | Jamash | been around for years, so no |
| 03:56.50 | Semlar | it's been possible for a long time |
| 03:56.53 | corchlan | shows what i know |
| 03:57.09 | Seerah | ACP has been around for... 8 years? |
| 03:57.10 | Semlar | the blizzard addon manager is new |
| 03:57.13 | Simca | it can cause taint issues if you reload in combat, so I don't leave it always on |
| 03:57.20 | Semlar | but the ability to turn addons on and off isn't new |
| 03:57.48 | Seerah | ACP causes taint issues? o.O |
| 03:58.15 | Minaah_DH | Here goes nothing, lets see if I got it to have these spells on by default, so I dont have to add em, just hope i put em in the right corners... rofl |
| 03:58.19 | Simca | yes, had a fun time tracking down a taint issue that I couldn't solve once |
| 03:58.28 | Seerah | what was it? |
| 03:58.46 | Simca | was ACP + something else, something like Dominos, I forget |
| 04:05.33 | Minaah_DH | bleh, ok, this is odd... took fresh copy, added spells, as default indicator positions, told them to track as numerical countdown, and it REMEMBERED the 'show as icon' setting from before, which isnt even default, rofl.. I'm going batty |
| 04:06.02 | Minaah_DH | delete / starting over, rofl |
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| 04:08.25 | Minaah_DH | how would it do that? |
| 04:09.43 | corchlan | out of random curiosity, does /reload accept any arguments other than "ui"? |
| 04:09.51 | Simca | Minaah_DH: what -exactly- isn't saving? the positioning? the size? the color? the shape? |
| 04:10.19 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.52 | Minaah_DH | ok, when I go into the corner indicator mod, in game, in its default config window, i am going thru the 'location' tabs, and setting each spell as 'cube', setting spell name w/drop down box, and then changing the 'color' of the cube, for some of them. Its saving the 'default' spells baked into the addon, and nothing else. |
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| 04:13.39 | Minaah_DH | with the latest test, I had it set to 'icons' instead of cubes, to see if it would save, the default it wants to use for all spell tracking is 'numeric', basically countdown of spell duration. |
| 04:14.15 | Minaah_DH | that failed and reset to icons, instead of numbers, even when the default specified w/o changing anything, is numeric.. ? |
| 04:15.15 | Simca | okay no settings are being saved for that module, basically |
| 04:15.44 | Minaah_DH | and, I had gone into the defaults file and added germination / harmony as being trackable, and that shows up in the drop down, but it wont save the state, essentially |
| 04:15.54 | Simca | that module uses a different db system than the rest of the addon for some reason that seems to be based on some talent stuff |
| 04:16.07 | Minaah_DH | ahh |
| 04:16.16 | Simca | several talent functions broke or changed returns in 6.x, it could be hung up on that |
| 04:16.46 | Minaah_DH | yah and other odd thing, it wont recognize Germination now, but it was earlier today and past few days... it just stopped displaying it when chosen now |
| 04:17.00 | Minaah_DH | even w/the proper spell id entered from Wowhead |
| 04:17.07 | Minaah_DH | which worked fine earlier, same spell id |
| 04:17.28 | Minaah_DH | or Harmony, for that matter, wtf, rofl |
| 04:18.41 | Minaah_DH | so by returns do you mean, its trying to validate my spec / talents when activating or tracking, and cant ? so its failing that way? |
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| 04:19.18 | Simca | function module:SaveOptionData() |
| 04:19.18 | Simca | if self.talentdb then |
| 04:19.18 | Simca | self.talentdb[activeOptionKey] = self:EncodeData(activeOptionDB) |
| 04:19.29 | Simca | if self.talentdb is invalid, it will never save anything |
| 04:22.11 | Simca | tracing the functions that make that talentdb is too much work; going to just load the addon and look at the WTF file it makes |
| 04:22.21 | Minaah_DH | ahhh ok got ya |
| 04:32.56 | Minaah_DH | ok, Sim? just did another test, fresh install of the addon, wiped all traces from WTF, and didnt add the new wod spells in at all, anyplace, and the default spells it already has setup, save changes just fine btween a log out / reload. So its something tied to adding new spells / things to track apparently. |
| 04:33.03 | Minaah_DH | if that helps? |
| 04:33.29 | Simca | well that helps a lot |
| 04:34.41 | Simca | what spell did you want to add to what class |
| 04:35.19 | Minaah_DH | ok, I was trying to add 3 spells |
| 04:35.24 | Minaah_DH | 2 for druid, one for priest |
| 04:35.39 | corchlan | ok, i think i'm almost there, but now i'm having trouble iterating over the result of GetFollowerAbilities |
| 04:35.57 | corchlan | this works -- it prints one line for each follower's abilities |
| 04:35.58 | corchlan | for i,v in ipairs(C_Garrison.GetFollowers())do if (v.isCollected==true) then for _,at in ipairs(C_Garrison.GetFollowerAbilities(v.followerID)) do result = result .. v.name .. ',' .. at.name .. '\n' end end end |
| 04:36.02 | Minaah_DH | the 2 for druid, are Germination -- the one that basically is the 'double' rejuv talent for restoration druids |
| 04:36.23 | Minaah_DH | the other, is Mastery:Harmony, to track my mastery buff while its up on me |
| 04:36.45 | corchlan | this only sort of works -- it prints one line for each of my followers who has a counter to "Wild Aggression", but nothing else |
| 04:36.46 | corchlan | for i,v in ipairs(C_Garrison.GetFollowers())do if (v.isCollected==true) then for _,at in ipairs(C_Garrison.GetFollowerAbilities(v.followerID)) do for _,counter in ipairs(at.counters) do result = result .. v.name .. ',' .. counter.name .. '\n' end end end end |
| 04:36.50 | Minaah_DH | for Priest, it would be Clarity of Will, level 100 talent choice. Germination is lvl 100 talent choice spell also. |
| 04:36.55 | corchlan | any idea what i'm doing wrong? |
| 04:37.05 | corchlan | i found docs at http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_C_Garrison.GetFollowerAbilities |
| 04:37.23 | Simca | wait |
| 04:37.29 | corchlan | i assume i'm doing that innermost loop wrong |
| 04:37.30 | Simca | are all of these spells level 100 talent choices? |
| 04:37.39 | Minaah_DH | 2 of em are |
| 04:37.59 | Minaah_DH | Harmony is the buff created when I cast a direct heal, as a resto druid, its my resto mastery |
| 04:38.04 | Simca | those spells have IDs that change by spec, it's quite possible that is what is breaking the addon |
| 04:38.21 | Minaah_DH | in Wowhead, I looked up the ids for all 3 |
| 04:38.36 | Minaah_DH | and used those when adding them in |
| 04:38.45 | Minaah_DH | 155675, -- Germination |
| 04:38.53 | Simca | might need the spell ID for the underlaying talent instead |
| 04:38.55 | Minaah_DH | 77495, -- Harmony |
| 04:39.03 | Minaah_DH | 152118, -- Clarity of Will |
| 04:39.37 | Minaah_DH | was what I used before, and had them working for a few days, just had to reset options aft every log out / reload |
| 04:40.01 | Minaah_DH | let me look if there is a talent based diff version someplace I didnt know about |
| 04:42.34 | Minaah_DH | it also may be tied to the 'perk' we get as resto, for empowered rejuvenation ? which essentially adds 3 secs to the basic length of default Rejuv |
| 04:43.07 | Minaah_DH | when it was displaying properly, it did show the correct duration of the talented / perked buffs at least |
| 04:43.56 | Minaah_DH | I read someplace, that all talent rows, now have a 'unified' name that works for any active spell talent in that row, for macros / addons etc |
| 04:44.06 | Minaah_DH | but cant find that now, grrr |
| 04:44.38 | Simca | try it with just harmony and see if it works |
| 04:44.48 | Simca | i'm pretty sure the level 100 talents are to blame for your issue |
| 04:45.41 | Minaah_DH | well drat, wouldnt have thought of that, hahaa. |
| 04:46.01 | Minaah_DH | just add 'harmony' as a spell choice in game config? |
| 04:46.08 | Minaah_DH | or the defaults file |
| 04:47.23 | Simca | defaults |
| 04:47.39 | Minaah_DH | with the id i had from before? |
| 04:47.46 | Simca | wait, you can add spells in the ingame config? |
| 04:47.54 | Simca | why would you need to hardcode them at all then |
| 04:48.35 | Minaah_DH | they werent saving |
| 04:48.51 | Minaah_DH | which led me to look into the lua files and found where the default ones were |
| 04:49.08 | Simca | ahhh, yeah. |
| 04:49.09 | Minaah_DH | but they didnt wanna save either when added heheh hence this odd mess |
| 04:49.11 | Simca | just add it in game |
| 04:49.15 | Simca | i |
| 04:49.23 | Minaah_DH | kk yah it worked for harmony just now |
| 04:49.37 | Simca | i'm pretty sure the entire mess is just the weirdness with talents having multiple spell IDs |
| 04:49.45 | Simca | they didn't until 6.0 |
| 04:49.51 | Minaah_DH | need to figure out, how to get Germination to work, its the one i needed most of all to track |
| 04:50.46 | Simca | add 155777 for Germination |
| 04:50.50 | Minaah_DH | i've seen it listed a few ways ... as Rejuvenation (Germination) or just Germination |
| 04:50.55 | Minaah_DH | kk |
| 04:52.14 | Minaah_DH | k, it works in game, like I had before, now... should i relog to test save? |
| 04:52.23 | Simca | yes, i'm pretty sure it will work |
| 04:52.33 | Minaah_DH | log out or reload ui? |
| 04:52.36 | Simca | either |
| 04:52.42 | Minaah_DH | kk, here goes |
| 04:55.27 | Minaah_DH | nope, basic spells saved fine, the spot i put harmony in saved spell to be chosen later, but its not displaying, and germination didnt save at all -- was in the bottomright spot, which normally defaults to mark of the wild, only show when missing |
| 04:55.35 | Minaah_DH | keeps overwriting it apparently |
| 04:55.49 | Minaah_DH | can prolly go to defaults and delete mark of the wild |
| 04:55.59 | Minaah_DH | dont care about that one for tracking |
| 04:57.41 | Minaah_DH | reloading to see if that fixes anything |
| 04:58.07 | Simca | where'd you put harmony? which corner? |
| 04:59.29 | Minaah_DH | top |
| 04:59.49 | Minaah_DH | and its not showing now when i re-chose it from the drop down, but germination is working, bottom right corner |
| 04:59.58 | Minaah_DH | have all spells set to 'icon' status |
| 05:00.28 | Minaah_DH | didnt reload ui again yet, just reset the spells. |
| 05:01.53 | Minaah_DH | and even tho i entered the spell in game as 'Harmony' it saved itself on reload, as Mastery:harmony, and stopped showing, it showed fine before it saved itself differently |
| 05:03.05 | Minaah_DH | oh and by top, guess thats top / center, but it just says top in the config window |
| 05:04.23 | Simca | i have one last thing i'm willing to try - which corner did you want clarity of will in? |
| 05:04.56 | Minaah_DH | let me get on priest real fast |
| 05:05.03 | Minaah_DH | so i can chk her spots |
| 05:06.06 | Minaah_DH | top right |
| 05:07.27 | Minaah_DH | err crap bottom right, rofl. sigh. but yah looked at wrong spell befor |
| 05:07.29 | Minaah_DH | before |
| 05:08.46 | Simca | exit game and wipe your savedvariables for it one more time |
| 05:08.50 | Minaah_DH | kk |
| 05:08.55 | Simca | if it detects previously saved variables it won't revert to defaults |
| 05:09.47 | Simca | then try replacing your CompactRaid\Modules\CornerIndicators\Defaults.lua with http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5dd7jdc098g6hh/Defaults.lua |
| 05:10.18 | Minaah_DH | kk sec |
| 05:11.35 | Minaah_DH | k done that, relog in and see what it does? |
| 05:12.22 | Simca | yeah |
| 05:12.33 | Simca | try changing other things and then saving and seeing if things stick |
| 05:12.36 | Minaah_DH | kk |
| 05:13.50 | Minaah_DH | amazing what a little change affects eh? |
| 05:13.58 | Minaah_DH | the talent ids i mean |
| 05:15.53 | Minaah_DH | k, here's moment of truth, /drumroll plsssss |
| 05:16.18 | Minaah_DH | wooooooooooooot! it works, the changes saved |
| 05:16.38 | Minaah_DH | only thing tho, harmony didnt register, buff wont show but its saved as a choice |
| 05:17.17 | Minaah_DH | but the other spells saved when i swapped from numeric to icon, and germination stayed put / still shows up just fine |
| 05:17.26 | corchlan | i'm getting awfully tired of typing 'result = result .. something' |
| 05:17.40 | corchlan | i don't suppose there's a shortcut like 'result ..= something', is there? |
| 05:18.18 | Minaah_DH | worst comes to worst, can just a stupid weak aura or somethin to show stupid harmony, /cry. Was tryin to avoid running that darn thing. |
| 05:18.28 | Minaah_DH | errr just make,even |
| 05:20.46 | corchlan | ok, for future reference, this seems to do the trick |
| 05:20.47 | corchlan | for _,v in ipairs(C_Garrison.GetFollowers()) do if (v.isCollected) then for _,a in ipairs(C_Garrison.GetFollowerAbilities(v.followerID)) do if(not a.isTrait) then for c in pairs(a.counters) do r = r .. v.name .. ',' .. a.counters[c].name .. '\n' end end end end end |
| 05:24.47 | Minaah_DH | nope, Harmony worked for like 2 secs before we added the changes that fixed all the rest, haha. Well, that's fine, I'll track Harmony a different way. |
| 05:25.46 | Minaah_DH | Simca, thx TONS for all of your help! Very appreciated.. gonna make sure I keep that modified defaults file safe, case settings go wonky again or I gotta reload everything sometime. |
| 05:26.15 | Minaah_DH | you are da' best, >HUG<! |
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| 05:33.43 | Primer | Anyone know if it's possible to get Highmaul missions on a non 100 toon? |
| 05:34.56 | Minaah_DH | nope ya cant |
| 05:35.01 | kd3 | dunno how you'd get two followers to 645 before hitting 100. maybe telling besten or slatz to turn off xp gain? |
| 05:35.19 | Minaah_DH | its tied to the raid kill progression on the lvl 100 toon, that cause em to pop |
| 05:35.35 | Minaah_DH | for each difficulty, not just the level of the followers gear |
| 05:35.58 | kd3 | if you don't raid, you can still get 655 gear |
| 05:36.12 | Minaah_DH | yah the basic one, but not above that, yah forgot heehee |
| 05:36.15 | Minaah_DH | normal mode |
| 05:36.59 | Primer | I'm talking to someone who says they've never stepped in Highmaul and got the quest, but the were 100 |
| 05:37.02 | Primer | they, even |
| 05:40.58 | Minaah_DH | you apparently can get the 655 lowest boxes, if ya get a grp of 645 followers but you cant get the 670 + boxes w/o at least 15 boss kills in normal highmaul |
| 05:41.19 | Minaah_DH | which means, ya gotta be 100 |
| 05:41.25 | Minaah_DH | for the higher ones |
| 05:45.26 | Minaah_DH | night folks, thx again Simca for all the awesome help, you rock! |
| 06:26.40 | corchlan | tx for all the help guys |
| 06:26.42 | corchlan | ltrs |
| 06:43.44 | pompy | kk who broke LFR Highmaul?! |
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| 08:07.46 | pompy | SleepyBear: usually not at this hour. |
| 08:08.15 | SleepyBear | dang :( |
| 09:15.32 | karl_w_w | I don't understand why people don't like mayonnaise |
| 09:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | me either |
| 09:17.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's oil, vinegar/lemon juice and emulsified with eggs, basically |
| 09:35.02 | Simca | it's the consistency of it |
| 09:35.15 | Simca | it's literally evil |
| 09:39.08 | nevcairiel | i just dont like the taste of it |
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| 09:56.52 | karl_w_w | i suspect a good number of the people who don't like it have never had a decent example |
| 09:57.43 | karl_w_w | some of that cheap stuff has the cosistency of pudding and tastes like paint thinner |
| 10:02.54 | Industrial | I only like the sour mayo they have in Belgium :P |
| 10:03.03 | Industrial | none of the sweet stuff :S |
| 10:05.30 | Industrial | https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Belgian-mayonnaise-taste-different-than-mayo-in-the-US quora to the resque :P |
| 10:06.52 | karl_w_w | I've never noticed mayo to taste either sour or sweet |
| 10:08.49 | karl_w_w | oh wow, american mayo has that fucking high fructose corn syrup in it |
| 10:08.55 | karl_w_w | those people are insane |
| 10:22.34 | Gnarfoz | HFCS in mayo? wtf |
| 10:27.14 | MiRai | I just checked the mayo in my fridge |
| 10:27.20 | MiRai | there's no HFCS in it |
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| 10:36.45 | Semlar | i don't like mayonnaise on anything except like tuna sammiches |
| 10:53.33 | nebula169 | cheap shit mayo can have it, i think i remember seeing it in walmart brand mayo |
| 10:56.05 | nebula169 | oh, apparently light/fat free kinds use hfcs |
| 10:56.47 | Semlar | well corn is heavily subsidized so it's a lot cheaper to sweeten things with it than sugar |
| 10:57.13 | Gnarfoz | we know :F |
| 10:57.17 | Gnarfoz | still sucks |
| 10:57.21 | Semlar | wait, fat free mayo? |
| 10:57.28 | Semlar | what |
| 10:57.54 | Gnarfoz | a big fat (or fat-free) lie |
| 10:58.17 | Semlar | mayo is almost nothing but fat |
| 10:58.53 | nebula169 | indeed |
| 10:59.34 | Semlar | how do you make a low or non-fat version of something that's mostly fat |
| 10:59.43 | Mr_Rabies | as far as cheapo stuff i do like the canola mayo |
| 11:00.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bit lighter than the standard issue stuff in terms of viscocity and flavor |
| 11:00.16 | nebula169 | http://www.kraftrecipes.com/Products/ProductInfoDisplay.aspx?SiteId=1&Product=2100002630 |
| 11:00.44 | Semlar | cornstarch? |
| 11:00.58 | nebula169 | and soybean oil! |
| 11:01.25 | Semlar | modified how |
| 11:01.36 | Gnarfoz | they have the technology |
| 11:01.38 | Mr_Rabies | basically just a tiny amount of oil and cornstarch to give the viscosity instead |
| 11:01.42 | nebula169 | Commercially made mayonnaise may contain sucrose, high fructose corn syrup, citric acid, thickeners, emulsifiers, EDTA, flavor enhancers, and water. Such mixtures allow for the production of products that are low in fats and/or sugars. |
| 11:03.02 | Semlar | gels and gums |
| 11:05.58 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_condiments oo |
| 11:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could find this video i'm looking for |
| 11:13.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's a lady making pasta salad with literally like two hole jars of mayo and like, a pound of sugar |
| 11:13.25 | Mr_Rabies | whole* |
| 11:13.46 | Mr_Rabies | the whole thing just sounds horrifying, and i don't mind mayo personally |
| 11:13.48 | Semlar | that sounds pretty terrible |
| 11:14.40 | Mr_Rabies | she's making it in the dark |
| 11:14.49 | Mr_Rabies | and the only sounds you can hear are the squishes of the pasta |
| 11:14.52 | Mr_Rabies | and her heavy breathing |
| 11:14.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's really |
| 11:14.57 | Semlar | i only watch "cooking with dog" on youtube |
| 11:15.00 | Mr_Rabies | really uncomfortable |
| 11:15.05 | Mr_Rabies | francis is the best |
| 11:15.12 | Mr_Rabies | (that's his name, right?) |
| 11:15.44 | Semlar | i believe francis is the dog host |
| 11:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | omg |
| 11:16.01 | Mr_Rabies | i found it |
| 11:16.05 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4zw99VsoMA |
| 11:16.10 | Mr_Rabies | instant diabetes |
| 11:16.19 | Mr_Rabies | oh god an entire can of sweetened condensed milk |
| 11:17.26 | Semlar | this is too depressing to watch |
| 11:17.44 | Semlar | i'm going back to cooking with dog |
| 11:17.49 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 11:18.05 | Mr_Rabies | i forget, are you one of the anime nerd types in here |
| 11:18.13 | Semlar | not really |
| 11:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | there's an anime called Sun Warrior Sunred, and the chief villain has a recipe in a handful of episodes |
| 11:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | it owns |
| 11:18.54 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwOJFi7h7JA |
| 11:19.57 | Semlar | reminds me of bobobo |
| 11:20.04 | Mr_Rabies | basically the main villain guy is super nice grandpa |
| 11:20.10 | Mr_Rabies | and the superhero is a giant jerkface |
| 11:20.28 | Mr_Rabies | because they've been fighting for so long |
| 11:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | the team disbanded and he's the only one they still bother |
| 11:20.54 | Mr_Rabies | they call ahead and schedule fights and then he just shows up and slams them into playground equipment until they leave |
| 11:22.32 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1C24eq7Lbs |
| 11:27.03 | Semlar | sure, why not |
| 11:28.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's not nearly as uh |
| 11:29.01 | Mr_Rabies | psychotic as say, bobobo |
| 11:29.12 | Semlar | that's too bad |
| 11:29.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bit more subtle |
| 11:29.17 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 11:29.34 | Mr_Rabies | the trash henchmen (labeled 1 and 2) change voice actors almost every episode |
| 11:29.47 | Mr_Rabies | because sunred either beats them up so hard they're hospitalized and/or quit |
| 11:29.57 | Mr_Rabies | but they don't really bring attention to that |
| 11:29.59 | Mr_Rabies | it just happens |
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| 13:06.19 | jleclanche | google you so awesome |
| 13:06.22 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/eZe2HAM8-pZK.png |
| 13:06.30 | Kalroth | wow |
| 13:06.38 | Kalroth | that's some pretty cool indexing |
| 13:07.04 | Kalroth | it just lists the first 3 lines of the table on the page |
| 13:07.06 | Kalroth | but regardless |
| 13:17.54 | karl_w_w | that macaroni salad makes me want to cry |
| 13:21.46 | karl_w_w | i have to watch ramsay scramble eggs to make up for it |
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| 13:27.28 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:30.52 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, breakfast. |
| 13:32.57 | Fisker | >:O |
| 13:34.00 | karl_w_w | curry is the one food japan gets completely wrong |
| 13:34.12 | karl_w_w | and it's their most popular dish |
| 13:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | They have amazing strange kit kat flavors though |
| 13:39.30 | karl_w_w | yeah I've been meaning to try them |
| 13:42.11 | Industrial | Red Bean Sandwich ? |
| 13:43.29 | karl_w_w | strawberry cheesecake |
| 13:43.32 | karl_w_w | wasabi |
| 13:47.20 | Lopeppeppy | Strawberry cheesecake will be an excellent breakfast. |
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| 14:10.35 | Neffi | kek http://i.imgur.com/Kg8qf7a.gif |
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| 14:30.55 | karl_w_w | I GET IT NEFFI, THAT'S FUNNY! |
| 14:31.21 | Neffi | I KNOW, RIGHT? |
| 14:41.01 | kullervo | it wouldn't take so much time if the hardware was better suited for the task |
| 14:48.07 | Industrial | or like, the software worked in such a way that it didn't pollute a system with small files over time |
| 14:48.29 | karl_w_w | http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2rtuyt/glitch_that_randomly_disables_the_ability_to_type/ |
| 14:48.38 | karl_w_w | that is the most random bug I have ever heard of |
| 14:49.37 | Kalroth | Valved |
| 14:51.02 | Neffi | Industrial: I hear they sell a module to do the writing in larger batches, less often. That might be more economical |
| 14:54.08 | Industrial | like a giant litter box being emptied and its contents strewn across rooms at the end of the day instead of throughout the day :D? |
| 14:55.52 | Neffi | o.o the imagery man |
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| 15:58.25 | Fisker | I don't see why this face hunter is so upset I have infinite taunts + infinite dark cultists karl_w_w |
| 15:58.47 | karl_w_w | I'm annoyed Fisker |
| 15:59.02 | Fisker | good |
| 15:59.02 | karl_w_w | hearthpwn put the mage deck on the front page |
| 15:59.16 | karl_w_w | now everyone is gonna use or know to counter it |
| 16:01.58 | Fisker | good |
| 16:05.23 | Fisker | poor zoo lock can't play doomguard :D |
| 16:07.33 | kullervo | zoo lock? |
| 16:07.56 | Fisker | hearthstone |
| 16:11.39 | Industrial | #decade |
| 16:11.55 | Industrial | it's a color ;o |
| 16:14.29 | Thunder_Child | Is it the colour of fail? |
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| 16:22.11 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: it's pink |
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| 17:12.30 | zenzelezz | happy almost-weekend peppy |
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| 17:54.33 | DReynolds | Hi all, ahving a bit of an issue and I can't find it on google. Everytime i /reload my SavedVariables are all nil, even though I set them to a value every time |
| 18:04.15 | nebula169 | DReynolds: when are you checking them? savedvars aren't immediately available, should wait until ADDON_LOADED for your addon before trying to use them |
| 18:05.04 | DReynolds | Ive got a frame registering the "ADDON_LOADED" event, its setting them after that has fired |
| 18:06.08 | nebula169 | are they saved in the SavedVars/Addon.lua ? |
| 18:08.44 | DReynolds | heres my load func snippet: http://pastebin.com/mS5ZE5Qh .... and they're listed in the .toc as [## SavedVariables: BaitUpSaved_Feast,BaitUpSaved_Hide,BaitUpSaved_Achieve,BaitUpSaved_Worm,BaitUpSaved_Scorpion] |
| 18:09.19 | DReynolds | so theyre listed in savedvars, set int the addon.lua |
| 18:10.25 | nebula169 | if you change the upvalue, it isn't going to update the actual savedvar aswell |
| 18:12.17 | DReynolds | I thought changing the value of the savedvar will save it? |
| 18:12.34 | nebula169 | BaitUp_Hide = BaitUpSaved_Hide; |
| 18:12.43 | nebula169 | changing BaitUp_Hide won't change BaitUpSaved_Hide |
| 18:13.15 | DReynolds | yeah, thats loading in my saved ones to my local ones, BaitUpSaved_Hide = BaitUp_Hide; is done if BaitUpSaved == nil |
| 18:13.41 | DReynolds | baitUp_Hide at theis point, haveing the default value |
| 18:14.47 | nebula169 | yes, but do you you set BaitUpSaved_Hide at any other point? |
| 18:15.03 | nebula169 | or are those locals only the defaults |
| 18:15.15 | nebula169 | and you actually use the Saved vars directly |
| 18:15.24 | nebula169 | had trying to debug from a snippet |
| 18:15.26 | nebula169 | hate* |
| 18:17.32 | DReynolds | Im using the saved variable, yes. but when im loading it in, if its nill, then im setting it directly and printing that it was nil. .. which happenes every time, even though im setting it directly every time |
| 18:18.26 | karl_w_w | this seems like it would be simple but I have no idea, how would I delete some bytes of data from the start of a file? |
| 18:19.35 | DReynolds | lines 6, 12, 22, 28 and 34 im setting the saved vars directly if theyre nill |
| 18:21.59 | Simca | you will keep your sanity much longer if you just use the saved variables directly instead of trying to load them into locals |
| 18:22.00 | Shirik | today I made my first spreadsheet for eve |
| 18:22.02 | Shirik | I'm sorry I'm sorry T_T |
| 18:22.19 | Simca | that's okay I have about 50 or 60 spreadsheets for WoW |
| 18:22.48 | DReynolds | Simca: maybe, once theyre actually saving :P |
| 18:23.13 | Simca | doing that could solve your issue |
| 18:23.37 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.59 | Torhal | Setting them to a local and then assigning changes to a local will likely make them not work. |
| 18:26.26 | DReynolds | ive changed it to directly set them, not with any other variable. ... ie [if BaitUpSaved_Hide == nil then; BaitUpSaved_Hide = false; end] ... no difference, next reload theyre still nil |
| 18:27.54 | Torhal | Well the fact of the matter is that you're only showing the part of your code that is supposed to check their state. We have no idea what the rest is doing or how you have things set up. |
| 18:29.27 | DReynolds | ive pasted where im checking them, saving them, and declaring them in the toc. .. shouldn't anything else be irrelivant? even if im not using them at all anywhere that would still set them and save their values |
| 18:29.58 | Simca | the number of times that irrelevant code turns out to be relevant is so high you wouldn't believe it |
| 18:30.04 | Torhal | You said what you're doing. You didn't show it. |
| 18:33.02 | karl_w_w | oh my good golly it worked |
| 18:35.26 | DReynolds | lua: http://pastebin.com/wW9KHbV1 and toc: http://pastebin.com/7GCZTdtg ..... everything else has been commented out. its just that, and still not working so nothing else effecting |
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| 18:52.20 | Torhal | DReynolds: I've never used multiple SavedVariables (I've always used a single table of values and/or tables) but I'm wondering if you need a space after each comma. |
| 18:57.37 | DReynolds | Torhal: hmmm, thats a good point. hadn't noticed that. ill try in a sec (got called in to raid :S) |
| 18:59.48 | Shirik | I just found a bug in excel o.o |
| 19:00.23 | Neffi | what kinda bug? is it a member of the ant family? |
| 19:00.34 | Shirik | it's more like a fly |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | it's looking in one direction but actually looks at something else instead |
| 19:01.13 | Neffi | o.O |
| 19:01.44 | Shirik | a very specific formula combination causes excel to look at the wrong cell when performing a computation |
| 19:01.55 | Simca | not surprising |
| 19:02.19 | Simca | there are a few regex patterns that excel searches for wrong |
| 19:02.30 | Simca | and several function-based issues |
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| 19:03.43 | Simca | by far, the most annoying is when you paste functions and it thinks they are text strings |
| 19:04.03 | Simca | and you have to go through each cell and edit the cell and press enter for it to reevaluate its mistake |
| 19:04.57 | Torhal | Why are you making a spreadsheet for Eve, Shirik? I thought Eve WAS a spreadsheet... |
| 19:05.20 | Shirik | that's why excel exploded |
| 19:05.24 | Shirik | it couldn't handle the inception |
| 19:05.28 | Torhal | :O |
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| 19:20.52 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX/photos/a.10150303260090131.563831.353851465130/10155428402815131/?type=1 inb4 another scrub, hate to say it! >< |
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| 19:43.41 | Ayrshire | Oh Python, why must you hate standardized packaging so. I thought we had learned from Perl's bad example. |
| 19:45.14 | Ayrshire | I shouldn't have to write a custome setup script each time, when 99% of the time all you need to do is drop modules in a /lib, binaries in a /bin, and conf in /etc |
| 19:46.22 | Ayrshire | But no, everyone cargo-cults around their own cutpasted setup.(py|cfg), so they're all inconsistent. |
| 19:47.04 | Ayrshire | And you have crap like pbr which was written to automate setuptools, which was writte to automate distutils, which was written to automate python packaging. |
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| 20:57.11 | zenzelezz | http://i.imgur.com/gSoicLF.jpg |
| 20:58.15 | Primer | I'm playing wow on Linux today since I'm at work. I go to Ashran, in a raid group, shit's flying everywhere, particles galore, etc.. Not yet in combat, FPS is fine. As soon as I enter combat, 1 FPS. |
| 20:58.32 | Primer | More like < 1 FPS |
| 21:00.27 | Fisker | More like SPF |
| 21:01.47 | Neffi | you can play wow at work? |
| 21:01.55 | Torhal | I play WoW at work. |
| 21:01.58 | Torhal | During lunch... |
| 21:01.59 | Fisker | Who can't? |
| 21:02.01 | Kalroth | Me too |
| 21:02.15 | Fisker | I play wow at work during work |
| 21:02.22 | Neffi | I've never had a lunch break long enough to play a game on |
| 21:02.23 | zenzelezz | sounds like the question should be "can't you, Neffi?" |
| 21:02.36 | Neffi | My lunch breaks always consisted of getting food next door, and eating it while I walk back |
| 21:04.31 | zenzelezz | rewatching Game of Thrones; reached season four. It strikes me that they seem to have really taken a lot more liberties than in the previous seasons (occasionally with reasonable reasons) |
| 21:05.16 | Primer | I recall being able to play wow in wine and have the performance be comparable to playing on windows in all situations. Nowadays, even a bg like WSG yields poor frame rate, but then, always when in combat |
| 21:05.44 | Primer | And I'm reading posts where people say they're able to play in Ashran just fine |
| 21:05.59 | Semlar | i assume you've tried this with your addons disabled |
| 21:06.42 | Neffi | I recall somebody else in here saying their FPS dropped to 1 in combat on Wine, but I can't recall the discussion, and this was a little while ago (couple months?) |
| 21:07.44 | kd3 | bleh, the AGDQ stream's been having issues today |
| 21:08.19 | zenzelezz | AGDQ? |
| 21:08.41 | kd3 | awesome games done quick. a gaming marathon for the 'prevent cancer foundation' |
| 21:08.49 | Primer | Neffi: it was probably me |
| 21:09.00 | kd3 | the tetris master run a few days back was insane. they're getting into the zelda block now |
| 21:09.06 | kd3 | http://gamesdonequick.com |
| 21:09.13 | Neffi | oh. well, that's no help ;) |
| 21:11.38 | Primer | kd3: You play in wine, right? |
| 21:11.45 | Primer | kd3: Do you use the default UI? |
| 21:12.04 | kd3 | not really |
| 21:12.24 | kd3 | but I haven't been in ashran since beta. it was a seconds-per-frame mess back then, but I wasn't really using mods there |
| 21:12.34 | kd3 | I do play in wine, yes |
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| 21:14.00 | Primer | And...default UI...? |
| 21:14.23 | kd3 | in beta I used the default ui + my data-gathering addon |
| 21:14.27 | kd3 | now? mods everywhere |
| 21:17.21 | Primer | What unit frame addon do you use? |
| 21:17.30 | Primer | I've found that my frames get better when I disable PB4 |
| 21:17.39 | Primer | which I use for all my unit frames |
| 21:17.59 | Primer | so in a 40 man raid, which I would be in Ashran, it's PB4 |
| 21:18.28 | Semlar | what's it like outside of a raid |
| 21:21.26 | kd3 | I use grid for raid frames |
| 21:21.36 | kd3 | and pb4 player/pet/target/focus |
| 21:22.06 | fewyn | sigh |
| 21:22.12 | fewyn | i do no look forward to moving back to ohio |
| 21:22.23 | Constie | Would recommend going back and watching VODs of the AwfulGDQ block. |
| 21:22.32 | kd3 | who'd you piss off to cause that? |
| 21:22.49 | fewyn | the company who laid me off in october probably |
| 21:22.54 | kd3 | >.< |
| 21:23.01 | fewyn | i have to move back in with my mother |
| 21:23.07 | fewyn | because i can't find a job for the life of me |
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| 21:34.56 | Primer | What line of work? |
| 21:35.18 | fewyn | i spent the last 6 years as a community manager/content manager |
| 21:36.07 | fewyn | before that i was in tech support |
| 21:36.17 | zenzelezz | :-( |
| 21:37.31 | Primer | argh, and there's that ObjectiveTracker frame obscuring my fucking chat again! |
| 21:37.45 | Primer | I can't click on anything in chat because of it |
| 21:44.19 | Stanzilla | why is your chat next to the objective tracker |
| 21:47.56 | Unkle | fewyn: That blows. It took me mid-Sep to late Dec to find a new gig. |
| 21:48.25 | Primer | because I moved it |
| 21:48.31 | Primer | the objective tracker, that is |
| 21:48.50 | fewyn | sadly i've blown through all my savings because the unemployment offices are fighting over who is supposed to pay me... either texas or florida so i'm kinda screwed at this point |
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| 21:59.55 | Torhal | Huh. Nice hotfix four days ago. I couldn't understand how they thought 250 lumber was enough. |
| 22:00.02 | Ressy | yeah really |
| 22:01.00 | zenzelezz | fewyn: I was in a similar-ish situation earlier this year; had three months of unpaid leave ("furlough", my dictionary says), but the social services were like "lulz, your problem for not selling enough" |
| 22:01.29 | fewyn | i moved from florida to texas at the end of june |
| 22:01.44 | fewyn | both states don't understand i work from home either |
| 22:01.50 | fewyn | s/work/worked |
| 22:02.22 | Torhal | fewyn: Ouch :/ |
| 22:06.06 | Unkle | fewyn: Ugh. Have you tried temping (are you in Austin)? |
| 22:06.12 | fewyn | i'm in dallas |
| 22:06.51 | Unkle | Oh man. Sorry. I don't have a network there. Don't know who to recommend you to. |
| 22:07.17 | fewyn | i've been searching since october doubt there's anywhere local i haven't already tried |
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| 22:07.54 | Torhal | fewyn: Only thing I can see that we have at the moment: http://www.curseinc.com/careers/17-public-relations-specialist |
| 22:08.24 | fewyn | yep i already heard about that one, but that sounds like it's in the offices |
| 22:08.31 | fewyn | i don't have the money to relocate |
| 22:09.15 | Torhal | Not sure, but that could possibly be handled. |
| 22:10.26 | zenzelezz | this could be me making wild assumptions, but I think for this line of work most companies are willing to compromise as long as you can reliably telecommute and attend necessary meetings/events |
| 22:10.51 | nevcairiel | if the alternative is someone thats always there, why would they compromise |
| 22:11.05 | fewyn | i've been remote for over 6 years so ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 22:11.25 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I didn't say they would view them on equal terms, but it's a good point to highlight |
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| 22:12.15 | nevcairiel | such a job as the curse one listed there would definitely benefit greatly from actually being present |
| 22:13.06 | zenzelezz | I didn't actually read it |
| 22:13.15 | zenzelezz | was talking more in general |
| 22:13.18 | zenzelezz | but I'm half-drunk |
| 22:14.10 | Unkle | never get drunk by half-measures. commit |
| 22:14.25 | Ressy | do not commit while drunk. |
| 22:14.29 | nevcairiel | i work remotely for a company on the other side of the world, and I manage, however I would prefer if I could actually go to the office, but I just don't want to move to the US :p |
| 22:14.36 | Torhal | Ressy: I've done so on numerous occasions. |
| 22:14.39 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:14.40 | Torhal | And you KNOW this. |
| 22:14.41 | Ressy | yeah.. Exception. |
| 22:14.46 | Torhal | >.> |
| 22:15.02 | nevcairiel | i've setup entire servers while fully drunk, and they worked! |
| 22:15.02 | Ressy | I've tried this.. resulted in me facepalming the next morning going "wtf" |
| 22:15.26 | Unkle | I have, on more than one occasion, committed files written while drunk. |
| 22:15.27 | Torhal | It may help that I only have one monitor. :D |
| 22:15.36 | Ressy | shhhh |
| 22:15.49 | nevcairiel | coding while drunk is fun in any case |
| 22:17.09 | zenzelezz | just so |
| 22:17.45 | zenzelezz | <Torhal> It may help that I only have one monitor. :D <-- and I thought I was drunk |
| 22:17.55 | Torhal | Ahahaa |
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| 22:18.01 | fewyn | people only have one monitor? |
| 22:18.05 | fewyn | how do you survive |
| 22:18.33 | Torhal | One 2060x1440 |
| 22:18.38 | zenzelezz | he must be burning through Alt and Tab keys |
| 22:18.39 | Torhal | I have virtual desktops. |
| 22:18.44 | fewyn | that's fairly big |
| 22:18.45 | fewyn | still |
| 22:18.51 | fewyn | i have 23" monitors |
| 22:18.52 | zenzelezz | that sounds like a weird size |
| 22:18.54 | fewyn | 3 |
| 22:18.58 | Torhal | 27" |
| 22:19.04 | zenzelezz | I never heard of any between 1920 and, what is it, 2580 or something? |
| 22:19.23 | Torhal | Er, yeah - it's 2580x1440 |
| 22:19.28 | Torhal | Bah |
| 22:19.30 | nevcairiel | he probably meant 2560 and just got confused |
| 22:19.38 | zenzelezz | ah, okay |
| 22:19.41 | nevcairiel | or he is drunk |
| 22:19.43 | Torhal | Yeah, that. Whatever. |
| 22:19.45 | Torhal | It's fucking big. |
| 22:19.48 | Torhal | Nope, not drunk. |
| 22:19.55 | nevcairiel | not as big as my 2560x1600! |
| 22:20.02 | Torhal | Leet! |
| 22:20.22 | zenzelezz | I don't know if I could make do with one monitor, even that big |
| 22:20.30 | nevcairiel | i couldnt |
| 22:20.56 | nevcairiel | i use 3 right now, although i've been thinking of changing to two big ones, instead of one giant one and two normal sized ones |
| 22:21.10 | zenzelezz | I'm somewhat peeved that my dad has a 27" Dell on his computer, yet he only ever used the 13" laptop |
| 22:21.12 | Semlar | why not five |
| 22:21.16 | zenzelezz | might have to bring it up one day |
| 22:21.39 | nevcairiel | i might mount one or two of the spare screens to the wall above my desk just for the leet factor, even if i have no clue what i should make it show! |
| 22:22.07 | Semlar | matrix screensaver |
| 22:22.12 | zenzelezz | if there's one thing I've learned in the last fifteen years, it's that you *never* have enough space |
| 22:22.24 | zenzelezz | I *always* find something to fill it with |
| 22:22.27 | Unkle | *cough* http://tiamat.tsotech.com/4k-is-for-programmers |
| 22:22.52 | zenzelezz | are you saying you use such a monitor? |
| 22:22.57 | nevcairiel | i have several different PCs running usually, for testing shit and whatnot, my big problem is that managnig the keyboard inputs is super annoying |
| 22:23.10 | zenzelezz | oh god, don't even mention that aspect |
| 22:23.34 | nevcairiel | software solutiuons all seem to suck super badly |
| 22:24.01 | nevcairiel | Unkle: i wouldnt want to sit that close to such a cheap tv :p |
| 22:24.04 | Unkle | tried Synergy? (just asking, I keep meaning too) |
| 22:24.09 | nevcairiel | yes, it sucks |
| 22:24.23 | Torhal | fewyn: Ok, confirmed - we offer relocation. |
| 22:24.36 | zenzelezz | Synergy worked for me, but I didn't particularly like it |
| 22:24.41 | fewyn | thanks Torhal i applied anyways |
| 22:24.47 | Torhal | Cool |
| 22:24.51 | fewyn | had been meaning to since i saw the opening a couple days ago |
| 22:25.00 | Unkle | nevcairiel: re: Seki monitor/TV - for non-gaming things, it kind of rocks. a friend uses one on her desktop and is very happy with it. |
| 22:25.29 | nevcairiel | Unkle: its just too huge to use comfortably on a desk |
| 22:26.01 | Unkle | *shrug* If I had the extra cash and space, I'd probably get two and try it out. |
| 22:26.38 | zenzelezz | I remember only using two 19" monitors and being perfectly happy with it... until I started working, and they provided two 24" |
| 22:26.51 | zenzelezz | ever since, anything below 24" (or 23", depending) is too small |
| 22:27.28 | Unkle | At home I use an older Apple Cinema Display at 27" and a 23" sony tv/montior. |
| 22:28.21 | nevcairiel | I have a 30" on my desktop right now, and sometimes I already feel like its too big. I can fit loads of shit on it, but I also have 2 24"s on its sides, so often i prefer moving the extra shit over there, so as long as i can do that, my main screen just doesnt necessarily need to be that giant |
| 22:28.30 | nevcairiel | i might settle for two 27"s |
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| 22:30.45 | Unkle | I always want MORE screen space. I feel like I'm always cramped, especially since I like to have tons of windows and applications open. |
| 22:30.59 | zenzelezz | at home I use three BenQ RL2455HM monitors; they do the job for me... but I had to turn off "AMA" which supposedly should be a good thing, but which only gave me ghosting in games |
| 22:32.00 | fewyn | what's annoying about my 3 monitors is one of them uses a different panel even know they are the same model |
| 22:32.42 | zenzelezz | that's why I always only buy all monitors in one batch |
| 22:33.00 | nevcairiel | Well i'm one of those people that never leaves anything running for too long, I close my browser tabs, even my browser, and all other applications, so I only have stuff running i'm using right now, so nothing is really using screen space thats not in active use right now .. and I barely ever use all 3 screens |
| 22:33.17 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 22:33.32 | zenzelezz | well, my three monitors are two on Windows, one on Linux |
| 22:33.37 | Primer | I'm the complete opposite. I leave things running. |
| 22:33.37 | nevcairiel | when working, screen #1 is usually debug output, screen #2 is the main code windows and project browsers, and screen #3 gets the running application i'm debugging |
| 22:35.59 | sb | hmm http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/b00mb54nby/geizhals07-21/ref=nosim?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE |
| 22:36.07 | zenzelezz | my monitors tend to be #1 = editor (with vertical split so I can view/edit two files simultaneously), #2 = browser/whatever medium I need to display on, as well as debuggers |
| 22:36.17 | Torhal | fewyn: So, where in Ohio? I'm from Hamilton. |
| 22:36.25 | fewyn | i grew up in grove city |
| 22:36.27 | zenzelezz | and if at home, #3 = documentation/google |
| 22:36.40 | nevcairiel | sb: something that article didnt mention, HDMI 4K doesn't do 60 Hz on those models |
| 22:36.48 | sb | yup |
| 22:37.02 | nevcairiel | oh i guess it did mention it |
| 22:37.03 | sb | is does!? |
| 22:37.05 | sb | yes |
| 22:37.09 | sb | 30hz only |
| 22:37.09 | nevcairiel | but that would be a no-go for me |
| 22:37.13 | nevcairiel | an absolute no-go |
| 22:37.23 | nevcairiel | i totally notice that even when using desktop apps only |
| 22:37.25 | zenzelezz | that does sound low |
| 22:37.31 | Torhal | fewyn: Ah, close to Columbus. Well, relatively. |
| 22:37.40 | fewyn | basically columbus |
| 22:37.41 | fewyn | imo |
| 22:37.46 | fewyn | columbus "metro" |
| 22:37.50 | Unkle | I have lots open. Browsers, terminals windows. Jabber. IRC client. Email client. At home, usually not as much |
| 22:37.52 | Torhal | Ah |
| 22:37.59 | fewyn | it's a burb |
| 22:38.06 | Torhal | fewyn: Arrowmaster is near Dayton. |
| 22:38.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:38.28 | nevcairiel | i usually have email and irc open, but when i'm actively debugging something those go into the background |
| 22:38.31 | Simca | usually one screen is always excel for me |
| 22:38.31 | Arrowmaster | probably heading to columbus tonight |
| 22:38.40 | nevcairiel | when i stop debugging they take space on #1 and #3 and i just work on code on #2 |
| 22:39.05 | zenzelezz | is #2 then center monitor? |
| 22:39.08 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 22:39.22 | zenzelezz | then I can relate |
| 22:39.54 | nevcairiel | I like the symmetry of 3 monitors, which is something my idea of using 2 27" might destroy, and not sure how i would feel about that |
| 22:40.24 | Torhal | Kaelten is evil and has 3 2560x1440 Cinema Displays. |
| 22:40.48 | nevcairiel | I saw someone code on a 21:9 screen, and I don't know if i could do that |
| 22:41.02 | tz | has 3x 2560x1440 too |
| 22:41.08 | zenzelezz | for a short while I worked at a company that did both web development and graphical design. I'd typically have a window tailing a log file cover half of the second monitor. One day this cute early-twenties girl, graphic designer, asked what it was... for the life of me I couldn't explain it in a manner she could understand |
| 22:41.28 | nevcairiel | she didnt know what a log file is? |
| 22:41.45 | zenzelezz | 21:9 is basically the largest normal cinema size; 2.35:1 |
| 22:41.46 | Torhal | nevcairiel: He said "cute" so I'm assuming he fumbled. |
| 22:41.50 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:42.43 | zenzelezz | well, this was the same girl that manage to put a USB stick in the iMac DVD slot (though admittedly Apple did place those peculiarly close to each other) |
| 22:42.59 | Arrowmaster | ... |
| 22:43.00 | zenzelezz | also, Torhal is 100% correct |
| 22:43.44 | nevcairiel | no matter how cute, there is a limit to tech illeteracy one can bare :p |
| 22:44.44 | MiRai | Did someone say 21:9? http://i.imgur.com/6HJwVmk.jpg |
| 22:45.00 | zenzelezz | Mihau: O_o |
| 22:45.01 | nevcairiel | thats horrible |
| 22:45.10 | MiRai | sorry =\ |
| 22:45.26 | zenzelezz | I don't think I could use it for games, but for development I would be interested in at least trying that out |
| 22:45.45 | MiRai | the side monitors are powered by a second machine |
| 22:45.47 | nevcairiel | one thing i was wondering about wow on that however, do you actually get more horizontal game world to see, or do you lose on vertical |
| 22:46.10 | MiRai | it's 2560x1440... but the wide version of that, so... 3440x1440 |
| 22:47.06 | zenzelezz | that must've cost a little |
| 22:47.11 | MiRai | a few dollars |
| 22:47.28 | MiRai | I like the ultrawide for gaming, but if you're going to be uploading game content to YouTube then using 21:9 is awkward |
| 22:47.41 | MiRai | the monitors change to 2560x1440 with zero loss in quality, though |
| 22:47.55 | MiRai | so you can stick with the 16:9 if you wanted to record something (or whatever) |
| 22:48.01 | zenzelezz | with such wide monitors, I guess you easily see what games are made with a certain size/ratio in mind |
| 22:48.43 | nevcairiel | nothing is made for that :p |
| 22:48.47 | MiRai | I've only tried a handful of games at this point, but they've all been compatible with the resolution -- Including the super high resolutions that nVidia's DSR allows for |
| 22:49.06 | nevcairiel | DSR looks crap in the majority of games though |
| 22:49.14 | nevcairiel | at least those that i have tried |
| 22:49.20 | MiRai | I had read that and I stayed away from it for about a month |
| 22:49.30 | zenzelezz | I imagine the big difference is in whether they just split the UI into parts and anchor it to the sides/corners, or if they design it to be contiguous |
| 22:49.30 | MiRai | but once I gave in, I notice no difference in both WoW and Civ5 |
| 22:49.41 | nevcairiel | are you sure its actually working in WoW then |
| 22:49.45 | nevcairiel | it totally destroyed all my fonts |
| 22:49.51 | MiRai | definitely sure |
| 22:49.57 | zenzelezz | DSR? |
| 22:49.58 | foxlit | looked okay to me |
| 22:50.03 | MiRai | that green overlay you see on my WoW client is me monitoring my GPU/VRAM/etc |
| 22:50.13 | MiRai | it takes a big hit when I crank it up to 6880x2880 |
| 22:50.24 | MiRai | zenzelezz: Dynamic Super Resolution or whatever they call it |
| 22:50.25 | nevcairiel | not to mention that the UI on the login screens et al is super tiny in DSR modes |
| 22:50.31 | MiRai | it's their version of downsampling with a filter |
| 22:50.31 | foxlit | then again, not using pixel fonts, so don't care much about scaling. |
| 22:50.38 | zenzelezz | MiRai: it's almost as if they expect most users to not run that high resolution |
| 22:51.39 | MiRai | speaking of high resolutions... I recently pushed WoW to 8K and 16K resolutions -- If you're interested - https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2qjnnm/beyond_4k_gaming/ |
| 22:52.01 | MiRai | I was just trying to see if I could do it |
| 22:52.03 | zenzelezz | I remember the first time I got into multi-monitor; back then that actually did cause a big performance degradation |
| 22:53.19 | Industrial | Hi. Strange question. Can anyone (im pm, as it isnt really allowed here sorry..) tell my where I can get all episodes of Naruto? I want to watch them (and then all of Shippuuden which I haven't seen) for old times sake. |
| 22:53.26 | Industrial | I can't find them :( |
| 22:53.52 | fewyn | crunchyroll Industrial |
| 22:53.59 | foxlit | http://www.crunchyroll.com/naruto-shippuden |
| 22:54.23 | Industrial | oh like.. stream.. want.. ok watching now |
| 22:54.26 | Industrial | ty |
| 22:54.50 | zenzelezz | for those who are into those things; SpaceX launch a bit past 10:00 CET tomorrow morning |
| 22:54.52 | foxlit | http://www.crunchyroll.com/naruto also presumably exists, but different license restrictions |
| 22:55.48 | Industrial | foxlit: ah. |
| 22:56.21 | Industrial | I guess I'll go watch that then, since I've seen the rest already. |
| 23:01.00 | zenzelezz | hm. Sometimes I wonder if I've become a little too enamoured with something. Like when I realize I have four full-size posters of Lindsey Stirling on my walls |
| 23:01.10 | kd3 | gack, 4am on the east coast? |
| 23:01.14 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 23:01.21 | zenzelezz | 4:47, with 80% chance of weather |
| 23:01.54 | zenzelezz | good weather, in case it was ambiguous |
| 23:02.11 | DReynolds | Hey all. I'm still bashing my head against savedvariables :( I've stripped things right down, just declaring 1 var, but everytime i log in it's always nil, never saved. lua: http://pastebin.com/r5wELQ9i toc: http://pastebin.com/LTJvvXKs |
| 23:03.41 | zenzelezz | are you sure it's always defined by the time the UI unloads? |
| 23:03.44 | foxlit | i.e. it prints BaitUpSaved_Feast was nil every time? |
| 23:05.05 | DReynolds | it does print nil every time. and yeah zenzelezz, its defined right at load, as soon as its detected as nill |
| 23:06.00 | zenzelezz | I don't recall, does ADDON_LOADED fire before or after VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 23:06.13 | Arrowmaster | before |
| 23:06.22 | zenzelezz | wouldn't that be a likely cause then? |
| 23:06.24 | Arrowmaster | after for LoD |
| 23:06.29 | DReynolds | id need to check. but all the examples say to use ADDON_LOADED. .. ill try it |
| 23:06.38 | foxlit | no. |
| 23:06.49 | Arrowmaster | variable should be available when ADDON_LOADED fires if its firing for your addon |
| 23:06.59 | zenzelezz | ah, nevermind then |
| 23:07.46 | zenzelezz | thinking about it, it would sounds counter-intuitive if they weren't |
| 23:07.58 | zenzelezz | sound/seem... blargh |
| 23:08.37 | foxlit | Look at /dump BaitUpSaved_Feast before /reload |
| 23:08.53 | foxlit | then find your addon's saved variables file. |
| 23:09.14 | DReynolds | ahhh, i will do. but changing the event to VARIABLES_LOADED seems to have worked :S |
| 23:11.50 | DReynolds | now its not printing nil, cause even though ive switched it bac k to ADDON_LOADED, it set it the one time it worked :S ... i am right in thinking it SHOULD work with ADDON_LOADED right? |
| 23:12.22 | zenzelezz | that sounds like the case, yes |
| 23:13.23 | zenzelezz | sorry I lead you on a wild goose chase, but at least it give some hint that it may not ever have been saved when you used ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:13.34 | foxlit | do you have more than one addon with that saved variable? |
| 23:13.43 | DReynolds | VARIABLES_LOADED isn't fired for load-on-deman addons, is that anything i should worry about? or should I just use VARIABLES_LOADED? I havent done anything to msake it load-on-demand |
| 23:13.56 | DReynolds | foxlit: no, just 1 addon that im updating a lot |
| 23:14.09 | zenzelezz | I think VARIABLES_LOADED is a typical "the whole UI should be okay by now" message |
| 23:14.17 | fewyn | thank god pax south badges aren't like blizzcon ones |
| 23:15.08 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 23:15.47 | fewyn | they aren't named or anything |
| 23:15.50 | fewyn | also they are mailed to you |
| 23:15.52 | nevcairiel | variables are available at ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:16.19 | DReynolds | nevcairiel: well these ones don't seem to be :P |
| 23:16.30 | Arrowmaster | but only your own, so its important to make sure you are catching the correct ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:16.40 | nevcairiel | you are broken then, every of my addons heavily relies on that fact |
| 23:16.42 | zenzelezz | DReynolds: it sounds more like a case of "didn't save" than "didn't load" |
| 23:16.55 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: you cant really break saving |
| 23:17.04 | Arrowmaster | if you trigger another addon loading during your own loading process then ADDON_LOADED for that other addon will fire before yours and youll catch it |
| 23:17.22 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: enlightening, but there's an arg1 check in the linked code. |
| 23:17.26 | zenzelezz | I clearly haven't used saved variables much... I'll just shut up about it :D |
| 23:17.47 | DReynolds | in my event frame, im testing the event and the addon name, so it should be mine im dealing with right? |
| 23:17.57 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:18.11 | zenzelezz | try, for the heck of things, to change the name of the variable |
| 23:18.31 | zenzelezz | or hunt down every location that changes its value |
| 23:19.39 | DReynolds | there are no other locations, ive stripped out all other code :P .... try another name with ADDON_LOADED? |
| 23:19.59 | zenzelezz | so this variable is essentially a "have I ever been loaded before at all"? |
| 23:20.18 | DReynolds | at the moment, till it works and then will do something more useful :P |
| 23:20.24 | fewyn | i wonder why blizzard decided not to do anything with prospecting this expansion |
| 23:20.54 | zenzelezz | they didn't like the prospect of going through all the planning and testing |
| 23:21.06 | foxlit | you disappoint me, garrison chairs. |
| 23:21.25 | fewyn | the head chair at the table in the alliance tier 3 garrison super disappoints me too foxlit |
| 23:21.27 | foxlit | you can sit on top of lieutenant thorn's, and the head honcho chair is camera bugged. |
| 23:22.00 | foxlit | coincidentally, so is thorn's. |
| 23:22.48 | DReynolds | changes the varname to BaitUpVarTest, the event to ADDON_LOADED. . my code checks if it was nil, then assigns it to true and prints. its not saving, nil every time i load. .. but while in game /dump BaitUpVarTest gives BaitUpVarTest=true ... so assigning it to true is working, its just not either saving, or loading |
| 23:23.18 | zenzelezz | lua doesn't care about scope unless you do "local", right? |
| 23:23.26 | foxlit | and you have of course exited World of Warcraft since changing your toc file? |
| 23:24.15 | DReynolds | .... tocs run on client load dont they .... brb |
| 23:25.01 | zenzelezz | toc and new (picture?) files require a restart at least |
| 23:25.19 | foxlit | tocs are weird. In general, restart wow first, ask questions later. |
| 23:26.15 | DReynolds | <------- fool |
| 23:26.38 | zenzelezz | I'll pretend I never did that mistake |
| 23:27.03 | DReynolds | and i was getting frustrated for sooo long with that. ... thank you so much, it works now XD |
| 23:36.56 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.02 | relaxok | i wonder what happens when you create a FontString, as far as where it stores the vertices |
| 23:41.14 | relaxok | is there a default FontString max length? |
| 23:41.30 | relaxok | it might just make a vertex buffer that's x letters max length * 4 |
| 23:43.47 | Simca | there are definitely fontstring maxes and minimums for length |
| 23:43.53 | Simca | but i don't know what the defaults are |
| 23:44.35 | DReynolds | right. thanks for the help. back to work :) |
| 23:47.11 | foxlit | windwalkers seems so fragile in wod levelling content :/ |
| 23:47.13 | relaxok | but you can probably increase the max length right? |
| 23:47.26 | relaxok | after it's created |
| 23:47.59 | tz | foxlit: I leveled as BrM |
| 23:48.02 | tz | got server first monk |
| 23:48.10 | tz | well, as far as wowprogress was concerned |
| 23:48.51 | foxlit | surging mists seems to heal for barely more than an autoattacking mob in its cast time. |
| 23:49.09 | tz | nods |
| 23:49.13 | tz | doesn't change when you're 100 |
| 23:49.26 | tz | guard on the other hand.... |
| 23:49.42 | foxlit | I mean, I'm used to rotational healing touch |
| 23:50.46 | foxlit | approach a mob, land some attacks, land a finishing mob, insta-cast healing touch, next mob -- health doesn't actually dip. This feels like "oh no, I pulled something I didn't intend, better consider running now." |
| 23:51.01 | tz | yep |
| 23:51.15 | tz | BrM with guard and rotational expel harm is pretty similar to that tbh |
| 23:51.28 | tz | that and chi wave |
| 23:53.06 | foxlit | liked healing orbs better; they were at least instant, and you could put them at your feet if you wanted to. |
| 23:55.55 | tz | the other thing that might help, cast expel harm during downtime between mobs to generate chi, gives you a small amount more burst at the start so shit doesn't hit you as much |
| 23:56.34 | tz | shrugs |
| 23:56.40 | tz | back to jobhunting |
| 23:56.49 | tz | figure 6 months is a long enough break |
| 23:57.50 | zenzelezz | job hunting can be so odd. I found nothing for three months, then at my brother's bachelor party during a work-type conversation one of the guys goes "well we're looking for people" |
| 23:58.52 | tz | yep |
| 23:59.44 | tz | not too worried though, can probably go another 12-18mo without one if need be |
| 23:59.52 | tz | just... getting a bit bored |
