| 00:00.11 | Shirik | for this reason strings are also immutable |
| 00:00.17 | Enma_Hinobara | Of course |
| 00:00.28 | Shirik | PIL talks about all of this |
| 00:02.48 | Neffi | <Enma_Hinobara> Its particular brand of OOP <- this is the funniest statement |
| 00:03.09 | Neffi | because Lua only has a concept of OOP the way you implement it, so you're kind of admiting fault here |
| 00:04.02 | Neffi | Lua follows the philosophy of mechanism over policy, and providing meta-features. It's up to you to take its few flexible facilities and implement constructs like OOP. |
| 00:05.02 | Enma_Hinobara | You realize I said that, right? |
| 00:05.43 | Neffi | I don't see where you said that. I see a lot of unjustifiable bitching and an obvious lack of desire to read into the language you're berating. |
| 00:05.52 | Shirik | lua> debug.setmetatable |
| 00:05.52 | lua_bot_ | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value) |
| 00:06.17 | Shirik | batrick: when do we get batbot back? |
| 00:06.23 | Enma_Hinobara | [15:46] <Enma_Hinobara> Both Perl and Lua don't really have OOP, but they have ways of achieving it that are commonly used |
| 00:06.30 | Neffi | how did that even compile, Shirik? O.o |
| 00:06.53 | Neffi | Oh, right, luabot does implicit returns |
| 00:06.53 | Shirik | Neffi: lua_bot_ throws 'return' at the beginning if it fails to compile |
| 00:07.18 | Neffi | I wanna get mniip's yalb in here from #lua. that bot is all kinds of excellent |
| 00:07.42 | Neffi | every Lua version since 3.2, plus LuaJIT, plus c, python, and a couple toy things. Plus it's sandboxed externally via ptrace so nothing's removed. |
| 00:07.48 | Shirik | yeah but batrick and I spent a lot of time beating up batbot so that it could provide advanced features safely. Like debug.setmetatable. Which is occasionally useful to play with. |
| 00:08.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 00:08.02 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 00:08.16 | Neffi | yalb provides everything though |
| 00:08.19 | Fisker | hey |
| 00:08.24 | Fisker | wanna blizzcon 2015? |
| 00:08.29 | Shirik | Neffi: that sounds dangerous |
| 00:08.40 | Shirik | Fisker: depends on how much I hate my coworkers |
| 00:08.49 | Fisker | I'll start next week |
| 00:09.06 | Neffi | He invites people to try to break it. Only one person has, using the C part, via an odd quirk of x86/x64 assembly |
| 00:09.22 | Enma_Hinobara | OOP in Perl is a horribly ghetto afterthought that was tacked on well after the language was established, and is largely syntactic sugar using symbol tables. In Lua, OOP is implemented via syntactic sugar and tables. |
| 00:09.50 | Dagmar | That's okay, like 90% of the OOP perl I see was OOP for no fucking sane reason |
| 00:09.51 | Neffi | Why do you keep referencing Perl? |
| 00:09.59 | Enma_Hinobara | Same mechanism, same crap |
| 00:10.26 | Neffi | If you're so fucking braindead that you'd rather psend your life bitching about stuff than bothering to learn, then please ge tthe fuck out |
| 00:10.43 | Enma_Hinobara | Because Perl is the language I have most recently become proficient in and the more Lua I learn the more it looks like a minute subset of Perl |
| 00:11.26 | Enma_Hinobara | Our company does the build (and related) tools in Perl. I'm a tools engineer in addition to firmware (in C++) |
| 00:12.21 | Enma_Hinobara | Anyway, grass needs cutting before the sun goes down (basically the last chance now) |
| 00:12.55 | Semlar | are you gonna let the sun tell you how to live your life |
| 00:13.17 | Neffi | Semlar: the vampire prosecutor does! |
| 00:13.27 | Semlar | no he doesn't neffi, you'd know that if you'd actually watch it |
| 00:13.39 | Neffi | <_< |
| 00:25.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.04 | Semlar | it's like a dropdown for the mailbox that lets you loot everything from a specific sender |
| 00:26.14 | Neffi | what do the numbers mean? |
| 00:26.25 | Neffi | oh, number of items? |
| 00:26.40 | Semlar | how many there are |
| 00:26.42 | Neffi | the red makes it seem like there's some special context. otherwise it looks good |
| 00:27.28 | Semlar | the ones next to their names are how many unique items there are |
| 00:27.57 | Neffi | it |
| 00:28.05 | Neffi | it's not obvious that that refers to unique items, not total |
| 00:28.33 | Semlar | well, showing total items gets out of control when you mail a stack of 200 of a reagent or something |
| 00:29.03 | Semlar | i was thinking i'd make it show the number of slots the items will take up when looted and maybe make it red if you don't have enough space for it |
| 00:29.04 | foxlit | for 2.0, you could get rid of the dropdown. |
| 00:29.15 | Neffi | I'm not saying unqiue items is a bad idea. Just not sure how it could be visually distinguished without being too long |
| 00:29.27 | Semlar | it doesn't have a dropdown right now foxlit |
| 00:29.36 | Semlar | it just autoloots everything |
| 00:30.03 | foxlit | excellent, you can add it so you can replace it later. |
| 00:30.17 | Semlar | how would you do it |
| 00:30.25 | Neffi | slaps foxlit with a rubber chicken |
| 00:30.54 | foxlit | add a tab to the frame; show a scrollframe with collapsable entries for each sender, displaying item icons in a grid resembling the backpack. |
| 00:31.16 | Semlar | i think that's too much clicking |
| 00:31.49 | Semlar | anyway i think there's an addon that shows mail as a bag already |
| 00:31.57 | Semlar | mailbag, possibly |
| 00:32.25 | foxlit | I fail to see how it could be more clicking than a dropdown menu :) |
| 00:32.45 | foxlit | I mean "click button to show dropdown" -> "click button to show tab"; "click thing to loot it" -> "click thing to loot it" |
| 00:32.47 | Semlar | you hover over the icon, click the sender's mail |
| 00:32.54 | Semlar | name |
| 00:33.21 | Semlar | and you don't have to navigate away from the mail frame |
| 00:33.41 | foxlit | Why do I care about not navigating away from the mail frame? |
| 00:34.32 | Semlar | to not mess with their normal mail browsing? |
| 00:34.38 | foxlit | okay, I don't actually care about the answer. Do what you wish. |
| 01:14.56 | batrick | Shirik: my vm got compromised and i never spent time figuring out the cause, although batbot was the likely vector |
| 01:15.12 | batrick | in any case, there are better ways of doing sandboxing |
| 01:15.18 | Shirik | sure |
| 01:15.24 | batrick | it was a cute attempt but flawed |
| 01:15.45 | batrick | some guy in #lua has a nice bot that uses ptrace and maybe seccomp |
| 01:18.59 | Neffi | yeah, I mentioned that one -- yalb |
| 01:19.23 | Neffi | I was gonna poke mniip about having yalb join #wowuidev, but I never got around to asking an op if that's ok |
| 01:23.06 | Primer | Can someone please recommend an addon for saving button layouts for when you use more than 2 specs? |
| 01:23.50 | Primer | Trying action bar saver |
| 01:32.07 | tz | I useL: Profile: Macros / Profile: Keybinds / Profile: Action bars |
| 01:32.55 | tz | I used to use ABS back in TBC, but it broke for Wrath or Cata or something, so I had to find something else... not sure if ABS is decent any more but I recommended it back then, fwiw |
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| 01:51.30 | Primer | tz: I'll find out once I switch specs again |
| 02:07.08 | Primer | BTW, what did you mean by "I use: Profile..."? |
| 02:07.37 | tz | "Profile: Macros" is the addon name, there are 3 addons for saving each part |
| 02:07.41 | Primer | ok |
| 02:08.13 | tz | that said, I probably don't need them any more |
| 02:08.34 | Primer | Well, I've been bouncing between holy and disc on my priest |
| 02:08.43 | tz | I don't ever do 3 specs nowadays, and all my macros are [spec:1]blah[spec:2]xxx |
| 02:08.44 | Primer | and resetting all the buttons manually kinda sucks |
| 02:08.49 | tz | yeah fair enough |
| 02:09.15 | Primer | I had some macros that did that too, except they don't quite work when you're replacing one healing spec with another |
| 02:09.20 | Primer | since I have to keep shadow |
| 02:09.34 | tz | nods |
| 02:09.42 | tz | I had the same issue when I was playing warlock |
| 02:09.48 | tz | needed all 3 set up |
| 02:10.03 | tz | nowadays it's just monk and I don't bother healing |
| 02:10.06 | Primer | But now that there's a ton of macro space, I got rid of a lot of those macros |
| 02:10.25 | tz | could always do with a few more character-specific macros though >_< |
| 02:11.04 | foxlit | that sounds like an addon idea: let you create more per-character macros at the cost of account-wide macros. |
| 02:11.14 | Primer | that's not a bad idea |
| 02:11.17 | tz | true, true |
| 02:11.43 | tz | I know I have macros for encounter-specific stuff |
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| 02:11.51 | Primer | We are checking your browser to make sure you're not an intruder. |
| 02:11.53 | Primer | WTF curse |
| 02:13.02 | Fisker | o l d Primer |
| 02:13.09 | foxlit | I see you've made the mistake of trying to use their search features instead of google. |
| 02:13.15 | tz | he failed the check, btw |
| 02:14.59 | Fisker | I didn't even know how to search foxlit |
| 02:15.05 | Enma_Hinobara | Hmm. What is the relation of strfind/gsub to LPeg. Are the functions a regex-like interface to LPeg, or are they different algorithms? |
| 02:15.54 | Enma_Hinobara | A quick look at LPeg seems like it has a very different syntax from strfind/gsub, the latter which mimic regex |
| 02:17.39 | Enma_Hinobara | Actually I take that back about them being very different |
| 02:23.02 | Simca | I can't imagine why you'd need regex for a combat log addon |
| 02:23.17 | Simca | it's not very complicated to just string.match your way to what you want |
| 02:23.25 | nebula169 | smashing that square peg into a round hole |
| 02:24.43 | tz | wonder whether there's any point collecting combatlog data into a big table, parsing essentials during combat, then offloading analysis to a coroutine after exiting combat |
| 02:24.45 | Enma_Hinobara | After the earlier debate I'm just reading up and trying to acquire knowledge |
| 02:25.18 | tz | probably not worth the added complexity |
| 02:25.20 | Simca | if you want the knowledge for WoW, just be aware it's not like there are a million uses for true regex in WoW anyway |
| 02:25.49 | Simca | i've never come across a case so far where string.match couldn't do the same job |
| 02:31.06 | Torhal | Oh, dear. The "OMFG Lua is shit!" stuff is still happening? I'd love to see the fallout in #lua |
| 02:31.10 | Torhal | Anywho, bedtime. |
| 02:31.24 | nebula169 | oh? |
| 02:31.26 | tz | lua is *the* shit |
| 02:31.33 | tz | ftfy |
| 02:33.53 | Neffi | Enma_Hinobara: string.* implement Lua's standard string library with minimal (but fast) pattern matching. LPeg is a third-party library (developed by the same authors) that implements a new interface, based on PEGs |
| 02:34.43 | Neffi | it's completely separate from string.*. Also it has a module called re.lua which implements a regex interface over the underlying PEG interface |
| 02:34.58 | Neffi | http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg/re.html |
| 02:36.05 | Enma_Hinobara | Ahaaa. By any chance in the previous debate were you guys talking about LPeg when you said that regex and patterns were nothing alike? |
| 02:36.28 | Shirik | is anyone watching gamesdonequick marathon? |
| 02:36.30 | Simca | i don't think anyone was referring to that specifically |
| 02:37.01 | Enma_Hinobara | I do recall Shirik making a number of references to PEG |
| 02:38.24 | Neffi | regex and patterns ARE nothing alike. LPeg just happens to expose a regex-like interface |
| 02:38.44 | Neffi | PEGs are a different facility, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsing_expression_grammar |
| 02:39.10 | Neffi | more powerful than regex |
| 02:39.57 | Enma_Hinobara | And to be clear when you say "patterns" you are referring to strfind/gsub, correct? And the lack of likeness is due to them being different algorithms under the hood. |
| 02:40.22 | Neffi | yes |
| 02:40.35 | Neffi | find,gsub,match,etc all use the same patterns |
| 02:40.48 | Neffi | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 02:40.56 | Enma_Hinobara | That's what I was thinking you meant |
| 02:41.30 | Neffi | so if you include 3rd party modules, Lua has simple/fast patterns, very powerful PEGs, and conventional regex |
| 02:41.49 | Neffi | patterns are enough for many uses |
| 02:42.02 | Simca | in wow's case, virtually all |
| 02:42.14 | Simca | which is nice since the latter two options you'd have to implement yourself anyway |
| 02:42.20 | Neffi | I'm sure somebody can come up with a use for LPeg in WoW |
| 02:42.36 | Neffi | there are a few pure-Lua LPeg implementations, but they're not very fast, esp. not without LuaJIT |
| 02:43.01 | Simca | i'm sure they could. i could come up for a use for a dog-powered rocket. it doesn't mean people would use it |
| 02:44.07 | Enma_Hinobara | Who doesn't want to write a scripting system within WoW's scripting system? :P |
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| 02:44.35 | Neffi | Enma_Hinobara: and if you're still not convinced Lua is some kind of Perl bastard, well, account for the speed. Lua is damned fast. It's among the fastest scripting languages. It also happens to have one of the most advanced JIT implementations in the world |
| 02:44.53 | Neffi | s/Lua is some/Lua isn't some/ |
| 02:45.41 | Enma_Hinobara | Calling Lua "ghetto" was a rather poor choice of words. I meant that it had fewer features. Which as we already discussed is a design decision based on tradeoff between size/simplicity and features. |
| 02:46.16 | Simca | foxlit built a CASC parser that parses some huge files and deals with lots of hashing and hash tables that rivals Curse's internal version in speed, which is pure C++ |
| 02:46.22 | Simca | so yeah it is surprisingly fast |
| 02:46.50 | Simca | (ours probably needs a lot of optimization but it is still pretty incredible) |
| 02:47.01 | Neffi | running off Lua or LuaJIT? |
| 02:47.18 | Neffi | LuaJIT is a monster, and it's still ridiculously small |
| 02:48.26 | Enma_Hinobara | Random fact: a friend of mine with way more ambition than me wrote his own Neverwinter Nights server. He contracted to me to write the scripting engine (NWScript). I write a JIT using LLVM as the backend. |
| 02:49.06 | Enma_Hinobara | *wrote |
| 02:49.15 | Neffi | I read a few articles on LLVM-backed JITs |
| 02:49.31 | Neffi | They're nowhere near the league of LuaJIT |
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| 02:50.17 | Neffi | I don't recall all the details, but there are major pitfalls with LLVM-based JIT and you won't get world-class performance out of it |
| 02:50.27 | Enma_Hinobara | Yeah, I chose it so I could let LLVM do the optimization. I could have writtena native code compiler myself, but it wouldn't be optimized |
| 02:51.01 | Simca | <Neffi> running off Lua or LuaJIT? |
| 02:51.09 | Simca | just Lua as far as I can see |
| 02:51.29 | Enma_Hinobara | I'd be interested to hear. I know a number of major compilers use LLVM as a backend (nVidia shaders and Clang compiler come readily to mind) |
| 02:51.31 | Neffi | ah, cool stuff. well, foxlit does know his Lua, so I'm not that surprised ;) |
| 02:52.27 | Enma_Hinobara | But yeah, writing the compiler with LLVN wasn't all that hard. The biggest pain was converting the stack machine bytecode to SSA format. |
| 02:52.36 | Enma_Hinobara | *LLVM |
| 02:52.57 | Enma_Hinobara | With essentially no metadata |
| 02:53.06 | Neffi | I think Apple is looking to use LLVM as a JIT compiler in Safari |
| 02:55.20 | tz | already doing so |
| 02:57.05 | Enma_Hinobara | Are Lua tables implemented as pure hash tables, or does it do some kind of hybrid dictionary to allow array accesses to be extremely fast? |
| 02:57.45 | Neffi | it's a hybrid system. hash + regular C array |
| 02:58.01 | Enma_Hinobara | I see. So it can do simple indexes into arrays? |
| 02:58.03 | Neffi | that's why it's so fast. a Lua array is just a C array. no real magic |
| 02:58.14 | Enma_Hinobara | That's good to know |
| 02:58.15 | Neffi | what do you mean? |
| 02:58.28 | Neffi | it does expose the caveat that oh fuck I'm dying, hold up |
| 02:58.36 | Enma_Hinobara | I mean like table[1] is not the same as table["1"] |
| 02:58.51 | Enma_Hinobara | table[1] is an array access while table["1"] is a hash lookup |
| 02:58.59 | Neffi | yeah |
| 02:59.03 | Enma_Hinobara | Okay |
| 02:59.07 | Neffi | values are not coerced in nasty ways in Lua |
| 02:59.10 | Kowh | Syntactically everything is a hash though |
| 02:59.15 | Neffi | this is not <insert shitty language here> |
| 02:59.36 | Neffi | that's not true, Kowh. because the table library as well as the # operator treat the array part like an array |
| 02:59.40 | Kowh | An array is just a table treated specially |
| 03:00.05 | Enma_Hinobara | I'm not real fond of the table type mixing arrays and hash tables, but at least it's not penalizing array accesses |
| 03:00.32 | Neffi | the weird cavear is that the length of the array part is not well defined if there are nils within it, which is a common bug amongst new Lua users |
| 03:00.43 | Enma_Hinobara | Yeah, I read that |
| 03:01.03 | Neffi | Having a single flexible data structure is quite nice. It allows you to do all sorts of cool stuff. |
| 03:01.14 | Kowh | Neffi: That's "on the back end" so to speak |
| 03:01.18 | Neffi | That plus metatables allows you to implement so many features trivially |
| 03:01.58 | Kowh | The distinction in table vs array is in how it's used, both by the programmer and the libraries (internal or external) |
| 03:02.02 | Enma_Hinobara | So I assume because Lua interns all strings, all strings are pre-hashed? |
| 03:02.03 | Neffi | Kowh: yeah, the implementation details need not matter. An alternate implementation doesn't need to optimize the array part that way. But it does need to implement a compliant table.* lib and # operator that treats 1..n sequences like arrays |
| 03:02.27 | Neffi | Enma_Hinobara: yes. string comparisons are pointer comparisons. |
| 03:02.56 | Enma_Hinobara | But what about table lookups? Do they result in hashing being performed, or is the hash already there along with the string? |
| 03:03.19 | Enma_Hinobara | Wait... |
| 03:03.28 | Enma_Hinobara | I guess if you're clever you could use the pointer as the "hash" |
| 03:03.38 | Neffi | that might be how it's done. I don't recall |
| 03:03.45 | Enma_Hinobara | Long as garbage collection doesn't relocate things |
| 03:04.22 | Neffi | there are a few people in #lua that know the internals much better than I do |
| 03:21.41 | Neffi | any ops around? |
| 03:22.07 | Neffi | Shirik? Cairenn? Mind if I invite a different Lua bot to this channel? |
| 03:22.29 | Shirik | I don't care but I would advise making sure it's secure first |
| 03:23.00 | Cairenn | Particular reason? |
| 03:23.18 | Neffi | The existing Lua bot is quite limited |
| 03:23.54 | Neffi | This other bot is fully featured. It's been actively used in #lua quite a bit, is considered stable, and a few people have taken cracks at breaking it. It works well. |
| 03:24.39 | Fisker | hey |
| 03:26.04 | Thunder_Child | is for horses. |
| 03:26.35 | Cairenn | how f'ing spammy is it, Neffi? |
| 03:26.40 | Fisker | hno that's hay Thunder_Child |
| 03:26.54 | Fisker | I don't think the bot is profane Cairenn |
| 03:26.57 | Shirik | and can it be disambiguated from lua_bot_ ? |
| 03:27.15 | Thunder_Child | hay hey hay, Fisker. |
| 03:27.33 | Neffi | Cairenn: not at all. It truncates long outputs, and can optionally redirect long outputs to its own (ad-free) pastebin |
| 03:27.46 | Neffi | it never outputs more than one line. newlines are discarded. |
| 03:27.57 | Neffi | and it uses %, so it's already distinguished from lua_bot_ |
| 03:28.42 | Neffi | and it can be PMed if a user wants to toy with it, so the spam situation is no worse than lua_bot_ |
| 03:29.14 | Neffi | the details are http://lua-users.org/wiki/YetAnotherLuaBot |
| 03:29.17 | Cairenn | I'm okay iwth it then |
| 03:29.59 | Neffi | cool. I'll ping the author about getting an invite to this channel |
| 03:30.21 | Cairenn | If it does become a problem, it'll get removed, but yeah |
| 03:30.34 | Fisker | forsen can't buy packs karl_w_w |
| 03:30.38 | Neffi | understandable, and expected. thanks ;) |
| 03:30.57 | Cairenn | np |
| 03:42.45 | karl_w_w | is that good Fisker? |
| 03:42.51 | Fisker | yes |
| 03:42.53 | Fisker | 120 packs |
| 03:51.48 | karl_w_w | oh boy Fisker |
| 03:52.01 | karl_w_w | it's 40 degrees and it's not even midday yet |
| 03:53.00 | kd3 | looks at the forecast |
| 03:53.13 | kd3 | oh, we may not even hit freezing on wed and thurs |
| 03:53.38 | kd3 | great way to start the first full week of 2015 |
| 03:54.14 | Shirik | needs more nsow |
| 03:54.15 | Shirik | snow |
| 03:55.34 | karl_w_w | the most impressive part is that last night it was only ~25 degrees |
| 03:56.14 | karl_w_w | usually when the temperature reaches levels like this, it's started from somewhere in the 30s |
| 03:58.49 | Neffi | don't melt, karl_w_w :( |
| 04:00.37 | karl_w_w | by which you mean don't leave an air conditioned environment |
| 04:01.32 | Neffi | precisely |
| 04:10.45 | karl_w_w | 41.4 now |
| 04:12.27 | karl_w_w | might set a record for january, the target is 42.9 |
| 04:15.23 | Enma_Hinobara | Do all combat log entries have at least a source and a dest in the params (even though one of them may be nil values)? I am just now realizing at least one event type has a third unit in the base parameters |
| 04:16.24 | karl_w_w | don't think so Enma_Hinobara |
| 04:17.08 | Enma_Hinobara | You mean some events are missing the 4 param slots for source and/or dest unit? |
| 04:17.10 | karl_w_w | UNIT_DIED for example |
| 04:18.58 | Enma_Hinobara | Ahh. Yeah, if there are no parameters after that the dest unit info would be elimnated from the array as trailing nils |
| 04:19.21 | Enma_Hinobara | Or at least not counted with #() |
| 04:21.08 | karl_w_w | UNIT_DIED returns an empty string for 4th, but nothing at all for 5th |
| 04:21.20 | karl_w_w | sourceName |
| 04:23.07 | Stanzilla | Simca |
| 04:23.25 | Neffi | Enma_Hinobara: nils are not counted in # |
| 04:24.21 | Neffi | combat log events occur quite often. it's not recommended to dump the parameters into a table, as you're creating and throwing away many tables very quickly. |
| 04:25.55 | karl_w_w | that's a very mild way of putting it |
| 04:27.22 | Simca | Stanzilla |
| 04:27.36 | Neffi | one person doing `{...}` in CLEU won't even be remotely noticeable. but if everything did that, it might knock off a few fps ;) |
| 04:28.27 | Neffi | it's bad form for the latter reason. "it's not THAT bad" is not an excuse to write slow code. |
| 04:28.38 | karl_w_w | you underestimate the number of people raiding on ~10 fps :P |
| 04:29.21 | Neffi | no cpu sold in the last decade is slow enough that throwing away an extra 30 or so tables a second will knock off even a half a frame |
| 04:29.34 | Neffi | but yes, if every addon did that, it might hurt performance for real |
| 04:30.13 | karl_w_w | maybe not many addons do it |
| 04:30.24 | karl_w_w | but almost every addon does something lazy |
| 04:30.30 | karl_w_w | and it does all add up |
| 04:30.31 | Neffi | hopefully none of them are insane enough to be packing varargs into a table for no reason |
| 04:30.38 | Neffi | that's true |
| 04:30.57 | Neffi | that was my original motivation for writing my own entire UI from scratch. |
| 04:31.09 | Enma_Hinobara | Is the combat log filter global or per addon? |
| 04:31.30 | Stanzilla | Simca: I think I already foudn what I was looking for, nvm! |
| 04:31.30 | Neffi | global. you should be using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 04:31.43 | Enma_Hinobara | That's what I thought |
| 04:32.04 | karl_w_w | Stanzilla, cue U2 song |
| 04:32.35 | Enma_Hinobara | Clearly Stanzilla > Bono |
| 04:33.01 | karl_w_w | I'd actually be really interested in what the point of COMBAT_LOG_EVENT is |
| 04:33.01 | tz | Stanzilla better have good sunglasses then |
| 04:33.29 | karl_w_w | maybe just lazy combat log coding |
| 04:33.31 | Enma_Hinobara | Me too. If the filter is global it's pretty useless |
| 04:33.49 | Neffi | i think it's for the default UI |
| 04:34.07 | Enma_Hinobara | That'd make it incredibly dangerous to change the filter |
| 04:34.13 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 04:34.17 | Neffi | I've learned to stop asking "wtf?!" and just accept that Blizz's coding practices could be worse |
| 04:35.22 | karl_w_w | oh oh 12:30 has passed, excitement rises for the next weather update |
| 04:35.56 | Shirik | ~weather M50 |
| 04:36.10 | karl_w_w | 42.2 |
| 04:36.13 | Shirik | ~weather K4S2 |
| 04:36.18 | Shirik | fuck you purl |
| 04:36.31 | Shirik | ~weather KDLS |
| 04:36.37 | Shirik | ........ |
| 04:36.40 | Shirik | I give up |
| 04:38.34 | karl_w_w | it was just taunting you with that last one :P |
| 04:39.18 | karl_w_w | there are actually clouds in the sky |
| 04:51.17 | tz | ~weather YSSY |
| 04:51.28 | tz | shrugs |
| 04:52.05 | Shirik | screw you guys and your summer in january |
| 04:52.11 | tz | believe me |
| 04:52.12 | tz | you can have it |
| 04:52.18 | tz | yesterday SUCKED |
| 04:52.24 | tz | sunlight is horrible :( |
| 04:54.52 | karl_w_w | all summer is horrible |
| 04:55.08 | karl_w_w | who'd want to be hot? o.O |
| 04:55.22 | karl_w_w | 43.4 fuck me |
| 04:55.45 | tz | :s |
| 04:55.51 | tz | cold shower time tbh |
| 04:57.27 | karl_w_w | what the hell tz |
| 04:57.35 | karl_w_w | yesterday in syd was 30 degrees |
| 04:57.39 | karl_w_w | that's not hot |
| 05:10.13 | tz | hot for me :( |
| 05:10.22 | tz | I *really* don't like hot weather |
| 05:11.28 | tz | and I don't have an air conditioner here |
| 05:11.30 | tz | sigh |
| 05:14.10 | Stanzilla | tem: have you considered adding a button to open the archeology frame to TradeTabs? |
| 05:16.46 | tz | Stanzilla: had a thought earlier today regarding the WeakAuras patch I was pushing - is there anything special that needs to be done in order to get serialisation working, in order to send to others via comms? Versioning? |
| 05:17.16 | tz | given that it's a new set of fields I figured it'd need an update unless it auto-detects based on table keys etc. |
| 05:17.39 | Stanzilla | no but nebula169 had some concerns with your patch, not sure he posted those yet |
| 05:18.05 | Stanzilla | and I am thinking about some sort of versioning for auras so you can update them instead of having to delete and reimport when |
| 05:18.14 | Stanzilla | you get a new one from the same guy/type etc |
| 05:18.20 | tz | nods |
| 05:18.45 | tz | was more curious about sending it to older versions, limiting its use to a certain revision of WA or whatever |
| 05:19.13 | tz | I'm *sure* someone will try to import one on an older version, not familiar with how they're sent which is why I figured I'd ask |
| 05:20.06 | Stanzilla | it already sends a version string with the aura |
| 05:20.39 | Stanzilla | but I can even bump the version so it just tells people they are out of date |
| 05:21.12 | tz | fair enough, as I said, wasn't sure of the procedure with these sorts of things, given that it's extra data that older ones wouldn't be looking for |
| 05:21.34 | tz | guess I'll wait for nebula169 to voice thoughts! |
| 05:24.46 | Stanzilla | I think it was about our saveguards we have in place to people can't do evil shitz |
| 05:27.26 | tz | ahh |
| 05:27.38 | tz | so I gather changing them from WeakAuras.blah = {} to local blah = {} |
| 05:27.45 | tz | removing visibility outsite |
| 05:27.48 | tz | outside |
| 05:28.07 | tz | probably the same deal with the functions for changing them too I guess? |
| 05:28.13 | tz | I guess I'll see what he says |
| 05:29.02 | tz | at least then you can't ninja-insert a destructive function and still have it callable thru an aura |
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| 05:43.58 | Stanzilla | yep |
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| 06:53.15 | Stanzilla | foxlit: I find myself switching between missions of interest and available missions pretty often because my brain sucks and I can't remember which one I'm on, any way to highlight currently available missions on the missions of interest page? |
| 06:59.32 | Semlar | foxlit why doesn't master plan just automatically level up the best followers to counter a particular mission for me |
| 07:00.13 | tz | the UI should just be one big button |
| 07:00.17 | tz | "Make it so" |
| 07:02.03 | Stanzilla | hey my request is not that wild |
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| 07:30.52 | Enma_Hinobara | Is there any way to build up a variable number of return values (to correspond to a variable number of arguments)? |
| 07:31.07 | Enma_Hinobara | And return a list, rather than a table (which would produce garbage) |
| 07:31.34 | tz | unpack |
| 07:32.12 | Enma_Hinobara | Good point. That would have the side effect of creating garbage, wouldn't it? |
| 07:32.20 | Enma_Hinobara | Since you're still creating a table |
| 07:32.35 | Simca | as far as i know, lua is like in C in that multiple returns will never be very clean |
| 07:32.41 | Enma_Hinobara | In Perl I could use map or slices, but I'm not aware of anything like that in Lua |
| 07:32.49 | Simca | you're better off passing a table to the function with entries |
| 07:32.53 | tz | unless you're doing it an exorbitant amount of times per second, it's the least of your worries |
| 07:32.54 | Simca | modifying the entries and returning nothing |
| 07:34.29 | Enma_Hinobara | This all goes back to the event parsing thing. From a software engineering standpoint a reusable function should parse an event into a table with named parameters. Though that does have the effect of creating garbage, as was mentioned. |
| 07:35.10 | Enma_Hinobara | I was thinking I could allow incremental decoding by returning a decoder for that event type and letting the caller query each parameter it wants by name, but that seems inefficient to call a function for every single parameter |
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| 07:35.21 | Enma_Hinobara | Which led me to the thought of taking a list of parameters and returning a list |
| 07:35.37 | Enma_Hinobara | But that seems pretty clumsy in Lua |
| 07:35.42 | Simca | you're probably overthinking this |
| 07:35.52 | Enma_Hinobara | I |
| 07:36.03 | Simca | the way recount does it where each event had an event handler with its own named parameters is about as clean as you can get in lua afaik |
| 07:36.04 | Enma_Hinobara | I'm listening too much to people in this channel telling me I'm doing it wrong :P |
| 07:36.35 | Enma_Hinobara | Yeah, I saw Recount. But that kind of thing would get you a failing grade from a software engineering class due to the extreme unmaintainability :O |
| 07:36.45 | Enma_Hinobara | :P |
| 07:36.59 | Simca | this is a scripting language - if you want efficiency, it's going to look like shit |
| 07:37.09 | Simca | and with combat log parsing, you want efficiency |
| 07:41.45 | Simca | maybe foxlit or Neffi or somebody very familiar with the language could come up with a complicated approach to the problem that was more maintainable and scalable, but for me, just using the super basic direct approach (and leaving a lot of comments so that maintaining isn't that hard) has worked pretty dang well. |
| 07:43.59 | Enma_Hinobara | The thing about Recount is you've got tons of little functions that take a dozen plus arguments, and those arguments can change with game version. That's an absolutely nightmare. |
| 07:44.01 | Enma_Hinobara | I think I will go with incremental parsing using pre-existing tables. That saves a lot of time over wholesale converting all params to a hash table, while still maintaining good coding practices and maintainability. |
| 07:44.37 | Simca | that's the thing though, everything can change in a heartbeat from game version to game version |
| 07:45.01 | Enma_Hinobara | Right. Which is why I want to have all information in a centralized location and clients need minimal changes |
| 07:45.53 | Enma_Hinobara | *parsing information |
| 07:47.24 | pompy | ~wowalert |
| 07:47.24 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 07:47.26 | pompy | derp |
| 07:47.51 | Enma_Hinobara | ...why did my computer (the computer itself) suddenly start beeping)? |
| 07:48.20 | Simca | irc ping used system speaker maybe |
| 07:48.40 | Simca | i don't know; my system speaker loved to beep at random points in time so i pulled it out |
| 07:48.44 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even think i have a system speaker plugged in |
| 07:48.49 | Enma_Hinobara | Oh. It appears that my UPS battery has failed |
| 07:49.24 | Mr_Rabies | they thankfully sell my UPS batteries at Home Depot for like $10-15 |
| 07:49.58 | Mr_Rabies | it uses two of a type that are common for home security systems |
| 07:57.43 | Enma_Hinobara | There isn't a way to use Lua tables like a deque, is there? |
| 08:09.19 | Simca | anyone know which methods are viable for tracking looted bosses for the week? I imagine they still use questIDs but if there is an API function for it, that's probably superior to hardcoding quest IDs for each boss/difficulty combination. |
| 08:11.57 | nevcairiel | if its only for recent raid bosses, you could track them using the raid lockout info |
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| 08:24.55 | karl_w_w | anyone here a prison architect expert? |
| 08:26.25 | karl_w_w | nvm i worked it out |
| 08:27.28 | Stanzilla | I've seen prison break |
| 08:27.31 | Stanzilla | is that enough? |
| 08:29.07 | karl_w_w | in this case it may have been! |
| 08:31.26 | Enma_Hinobara | Prison architecture expert? I'm known for saying random things, but I don't think I've ever said anything THAT random. |
| 08:31.43 | nevcairiel | "Prison Architect" is a game |
| 08:32.10 | Enma_Hinobara | I see |
| 08:34.34 | Torhal | [01:36:04] <Enma_Hinobara>I'm listening too much to people in this channel telling me I'm doing it wrong :P <-- Considering the fact many of have a decade if not close to it of experience dealing with WoW's UI, you'd think that wasn't a bad thing to do. |
| 08:34.51 | Torhal | s/of ha/of us ha/ |
| 08:35.24 | Semlar | go to sleep torhal |
| 08:35.31 | Torhal | I did. |
| 08:35.35 | Torhal | Just woke up starving. |
| 08:35.43 | Semlar | hungry for blood? |
| 08:35.59 | Torhal | No, Semlar. Food. You know; like normal people. |
| 08:36.07 | Semlar | blood is food! |
| 08:36.34 | Stanzilla | Torhal: what's your favorite food? |
| 08:36.52 | nevcairiel | is it Stanzilla's blood? |
| 08:36.54 | Torhal | I gave up assigning things as a "favorite" years ago. |
| 08:37.04 | Semlar | torhal is apathetic towards all food |
| 08:38.20 | Stanzilla | I would say "blood of jews" but that's not funny for people that have not seen gabriel iglesia's latest program yet |
| 08:41.00 | Semlar | Simca: what about just using GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo to find what bosses you've killed |
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| 09:24.44 | Simca | Semlar: apparently that function is undocumented on all three major sites |
| 09:24.56 | Simca | despite having been ingame for 4+ years |
| 09:25.01 | Simca | impressive. |
| 09:28.17 | Gnarfoz | don't make me scroll up... which one? |
| 09:28.41 | Gnarfoz | also, nice bug post, Simca - the actual challenge is getting someone who can do something about it to read it :P |
| 09:29.50 | Simca | i tweeted 2 of the item design devs; they're the closest i know about to people who would work on loot tables |
| 09:29.52 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: If scrolling up constitutes 4 lines, your view area is tiny. |
| 09:30.10 | Simca | GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo, Gnarfoz |
| 09:30.36 | Torhal | I wanted to see him scroll up 4 lines, Simca. :/ |
| 09:30.55 | Gnarfoz | I blame proportional font! |
| 09:31.02 | Gnarfoz | and dark text on bright background |
| 09:31.12 | Torhal | You do know that's fixable, right? :D |
| 09:31.18 | Gnarfoz | and lack of consumed coffee |
| 09:31.29 | Gnarfoz | well, I'd have to edit quassel-webserver's CSS somewhere |
| 09:31.34 | Gnarfoz | that seems like work! |
| 09:31.38 | Simca | returns are like npcName, something, someboolean1, someboolean2 |
| 09:32.04 | Gnarfoz | ah, so basically the thing you'd use to populate the instance lockout tooltip |
| 09:32.07 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:32.29 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: even better, it should be augmented with syntax knowledge, so it can highlight API functions! |
| 09:32.45 | Gnarfoz | (but then... seeing this one is undocumented, I guess that wouldn't really have worked :P) |
| 09:33.06 | Torhal | It would have shown in red! |
| 09:33.31 | Simca | ahhhh, second arg is boss' icon, if it exists |
| 09:33.39 | Simca | no icons for dungeon bosses so it was nil |
| 09:34.22 | Simca | s/arg/return/ |
| 09:35.43 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll have to get another wrist rest for work work |
| 09:36.50 | Simca | encounterName, iconTexture, defeatedStatus, unknownBoolean = GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo(instanceIndex, encounterIndex); -- got everything except 4th return |
| 09:38.33 | Simca | ah, looks like I might be using quest IDs anyway; no lockout info for LFR seems to be available |
| 09:44.39 | Simca | ~framexml |
| 09:44.39 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml. ExportInterfaceFiles code in the console |
| 09:46.50 | Simca | ... lol |
| 09:47.02 | Simca | LFRFrame.lua has 8 blank lines at the beginning with the comment "--Extra lines added because looking upward was too much work." |
| 09:47.25 | Simca | did chaud write this? |
| 09:47.26 | Simca | lol |
| 09:47.33 | Torhal | WAT |
| 09:48.16 | Simca | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/LFRFrame.lua |
| 09:48.29 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:51.52 | Simca | for i=1, numEncounters do |
| 09:51.52 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.07 | Simca | that's the code they use for LFR's 'already looted' display |
| 09:52.19 | Simca | so similar function, just takes dungeonID instead of an instanceIndex |
| 09:59.13 | Gnarfoz | Simca: if chaud wrote Blizz UI code, that'd explain so many things... |
| 10:02.21 | Maldivia | sometimes I'd wish we had access to blame/annotate on the Blizzard UI code, just to see who wrote what :) |
| 10:10.19 | Simca | i can't even imagine how the "looking upward is too much work" line got in it |
| 10:10.22 | Simca | that's just amazing |
| 10:11.16 | nevcairiel | sounds like a joke |
| 10:11.59 | Maldivia | sounds like someone said that, and then another dev wrote it to be funny :) |
| 10:12.07 | Simca | probably |
| 10:14.09 | Stanzilla | they probably still think it's hilarious |
| 10:14.36 | Simca | i'm pretty sure the entire file is unused now |
| 10:14.55 | Simca | it's the old raid finder system that was replaced in 6.x; don't think it is accessible now |
| 10:15.25 | Simca | it's probably an oversight that it is still included with the game |
| 10:16.15 | Stanzilla | so you really think they know what they're doing? |
| 10:16.54 | Simca | i think at least two people out of their 100+ person team know what they're doing |
| 10:17.32 | Simca | possibly more than two ;) |
| 10:17.45 | Simca | but the point is that with a team that large not everyone is on the same page |
| 10:18.10 | Stanzilla | what do you think, how many people are actually working on their lua code? |
| 10:18.12 | Stanzilla | 5? |
| 10:18.44 | Simca | probably more like 10 if you include scene scripts |
| 10:19.37 | Simca | <Simca> Semlar: apparently that function is undocumented on all three major sites |
| 10:19.37 | Simca | <Simca> despite having been ingame for 4+ years |
| 10:19.50 | Simca | apparently, the function is completely unused in blizzard code, so that explains the lack of documentation |
| 10:47.02 | Semlar | Simca: i know at least the first 3 returns are the name, texture and killed status |
| 10:47.09 | Semlar | i'm not sure what the last one is |
| 10:48.15 | Maldivia | something to do with extended? |
| 10:48.22 | Semlar | that seems likely |
| 10:49.32 | Semlar | so far it's always false |
| 10:51.55 | Maldivia | are anyone actually using the extended feature?! |
| 10:53.12 | Semlar | there isn't much reason to extend a lockout, especially this early |
| 10:55.04 | Maldivia | well, I mean using it, besides using it as a hack so you have a half cleared instance you can farm for other stuff than bosses |
| 10:56.45 | Semlar | well, even for an extended lockout this function is returning false for everything |
| 10:56.56 | Semlar | so i have no idea what the 4th return is |
| 10:58.09 | Semlar | i'm trying to think of relevant booleans it could possibly represent |
| 10:59.12 | Semlar | engaged, possibly |
| 10:59.12 | Semlar | that seems unlikely though |
| 10:59.51 | jleclanche | Cairenn: https://i.imgur.com/VC8VWI0.jpg |
| 11:00.08 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 11:51.07 | bluspacecow | @Torhal Happy new year hairy jesus |
| 12:13.54 | karl_w_w | What is this, bluspacecow; |
| 12:15.00 | bluspacecow | herro |
| 12:15.10 | bluspacecow | wat do |
| 12:21.23 | Simca | Semlar: heh |
| 12:21.43 | Simca | this is what wowprogramming says for a related function (GetLFGDungeonEncounterInfo) |
| 12:21.45 | Simca | result4 - unknown, unused in FrameXML, always false (boolean) |
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| 12:43.09 | Simca | Semlar: now documented. yay. http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetLFGDungeonEncounterInfo |
| 12:43.16 | Simca | also radically updated about 3 other pages |
| 12:59.23 | karl_w_w | what is going on with wow login servers |
| 13:00.45 | bluspacecow | they hate you |
| 13:01.58 | bluspacecow | . |
| 13:02.58 | bluspacecow | \ |
| 13:03.02 | karl_w_w | very little of anything, seems to be the answer |
| 13:03.39 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 13:10.45 | bluspacecow | *dances with karl_w_w to the Hearthstone music* |
| 13:11.05 | karl_w_w | implying anyone listens to that |
| 13:11.27 | bluspacecow | i do ! |
| 13:11.29 | bluspacecow | :3 |
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| 13:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Monday! I return from the hinterlands! |
| 13:33.04 | bluspacecow | gasp! |
| 13:33.24 | karl_w_w | but the hinterlands is the most boring zone in all of the azeroths! |
| 13:33.52 | bluspacecow | the arselands! |
| 13:34.16 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 13:34.16 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 13:34.18 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 13:34.23 | Lopeppeppy | How can you say that, karl_w_w? The soaring griffons, the oozing oozes! |
| 13:34.26 | Lopeppeppy | The big damn spider temple. |
| 13:34.50 | bluspacecow | the wa ? |
| 13:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | Shadra? |
| 13:36.23 | Lopeppeppy | Jintha'Alor? |
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| 13:37.11 | karl_w_w | Um Bongo? |
| 13:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | The spiders were the best part of the area, I think. Skinnable, IIRC. |
| 13:59.54 | Fisker | aww karl_w_w |
| 13:59.58 | Fisker | a zoo lock got rekt |
| 14:00.05 | Fisker | and he wanted to be my friend so he could tell me to learn2play |
| 14:00.09 | Fisker | says the zoo lock |
| 14:00.09 | Fisker | <3 |
| 14:02.47 | karl_w_w | you don't like it when people help you Fisker? |
| 14:15.05 | Lopeppeppy | Zoo? |
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| 14:15.29 | Fisker | It's a deck type in hearthstone Lopeppeppy |
| 14:16.09 | Fisker | And it's basically considered one of the worst type of decks |
| 14:16.40 | Fisker | because it's basically just overwhelming your opponent before they can get stuff to respond |
| 14:18.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, Hearthstone. A world I have no toes in. |
| 14:22.07 | Fisker | You should, then you can have an excuse to go to blizzcon! |
| 14:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | Like I can afford another expensive hobby? |
| 14:25.28 | karl_w_w | hearthstone is free peppy |
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| 14:25.37 | karl_w_w | this hand Fisker http://imgur.com/dik5kqa |
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| 15:03.46 | Fisker | wow karl_w_w |
| 15:03.51 | Fisker | this guy has 3 avenge's sofar |
| 15:04.00 | Fisker | and has another one up, which I don't know if it is avenge yet |
| 15:04.20 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 15:04.33 | karl_w_w | Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 15:04.40 | karl_w_w | kezan mystic op |
| 15:04.55 | Fisker | if only I had it |
| 15:05.13 | Fisker | it was noble sacrifice though |
| 15:06.21 | Fisker | and blessing of kings of course |
| 15:15.14 | karl_w_w | Fisker, I won 5 games and lost 2 and i feel like I've gone nowhere |
| 15:15.45 | karl_w_w | ladder gets so boring |
| 15:16.47 | Fisker | this arena deck though |
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| 15:39.48 | Neffi | reads the backlog |
| 15:39.52 | Neffi | facepalms very hard |
| 15:40.12 | bluspacecow | *sleeps on Neffi* |
| 15:40.25 | Neffi | <Simca> you're probably overthinking this <- I'll say |
| 15:40.44 | Neffi | "software engineering standpoint"? Jesus Christ, reading that crap hurt my brain |
| 15:41.59 | mikma | http://youtu.be/vQ8iaE1JtxY |
| 15:42.41 | Neffi | wonders why his blanket is so lumpy |
| 15:43.48 | bluspacecow | it has me in it! |
| 15:44.14 | Neffi | I hope I never become so enterprise-friendly that I cannot even develop a simple event handler |
| 15:44.47 | Neffi | snuggles intently |
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| 15:53.29 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/gallery/IxYTBFn |
| 15:53.32 | bluspacecow | lol silly kitty |
| 15:55.25 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow, how does that best comment relate to the picture at all? |
| 15:55.28 | karl_w_w | I don't get it |
| 15:56.38 | Neffi | imgur's taken to bitching about the official mobile app lately |
| 15:56.45 | Neffi | Granted, it does pretty much suck |
| 15:56.54 | karl_w_w | right |
| 15:57.09 | karl_w_w | so what does a cat with a box on its head have to do with that |
| 15:57.41 | Fisker | man karl_w_w |
| 15:57.43 | Fisker | this arena deck |
| 15:57.51 | Fisker | 9 wins sofar |
| 15:58.06 | Neffi | probably nothing. it's an internet comment. don't read too much into it. |
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| 16:01.08 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/T3b7M1R.jpg kek |
| 16:03.11 | Fisker | nice karl_w_w |
| 16:03.18 | Fisker | this mage flamestruck an illidan onto my board |
| 16:03.19 | Fisker | <3 |
| 16:03.40 | Fisker | 10 wins omg |
| 16:04.55 | Fisker | no wonder I've met 3 mages in a row at this point |
| 16:05.16 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/4XEHMPS.jpg |
| 16:08.42 | Fisker | Blizzard into flamestrike? |
| 16:08.47 | Fisker | classic 11 win mages |
| 16:09.16 | Fisker | and fireball |
| 16:09.21 | Fisker | good thing I used an infernal instead |
| 16:10.13 | Fisker | I don't want to lose now :( |
| 16:10.25 | Fisker | But I lost my hellfire soulfiring :( |
| 16:10.46 | Fisker | has god damn arcane explosion and intellect as well |
| 16:11.13 | Fisker | and flame cannon lol |
| 16:11.46 | Fisker | I don't want this to end now :( |
| 16:11.55 | Fisker | and flamestrike again |
| 16:12.13 | Fisker | see him have polymorph here |
| 16:12.25 | Fisker | ah only blizzard |
| 16:12.56 | Fisker | so 2 blizzard, 3 flamestrike, 2 flame cannon, 1 fireball, 1 arcane explosion |
| 16:13.00 | Fisker | how to win pls |
| 16:14.08 | Neffi | did you try turning it off and back on again? |
| 16:21.59 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:22.05 | Fisker | Got a priest with ysera now though |
| 16:30.15 | Fisker | whoop I'm a ramp priest |
| 16:48.21 | Fisker | The amount of card draw in this game is too damn high karl_w_w |
| 17:00.16 | karl_w_w | no shitteroni, Fisker |
| 17:00.52 | Fisker | I was against another priest, discarded 3 cards and had drawn like 10 more than he had when I won |
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| 17:50.32 | Lopeppeppy | This is the way we increment, increment, increment. This is the way we increment a zillion stupid templates.... |
| 17:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | WTB student intern to ctrl-F, no experience necessary. *sigh* |
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| 18:05.44 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: How is the pay? |
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| 18:12.45 | Simca | Lopeppeppy: write a script to do your job and spend the rest of the day spinning in your chair |
| 18:12.50 | Simca | see how long it takes somebody to notice |
| 18:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | Occasional free lunch at the dining hall. |
| 18:13.33 | Lopeppeppy | Simca, I don't have server access to All The Things, or I totally would. It's one template here, one template there, another over on the other side. Annoying hop-skipping. |
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| 18:14.54 | Neffi | that sounds like loads of fun |
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| 18:21.41 | Fisker | whoop karl_w_w |
| 18:21.50 | Fisker | get deathwing'd by recombulator |
| 18:21.56 | karl_w_w | kek |
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| 18:24.40 | Fisker | almost lost though |
| 18:25.11 | Fisker | it was only a +4/+4 as it was frozen :( |
| 18:25.35 | Fisker | when I think about it |
| 18:25.46 | Fisker | isn't deathwing like the only result? |
| 18:25.47 | Fisker | Isn't he the only other 10 mana creature? |
| 18:27.30 | Fisker | yep |
| 18:27.34 | Fisker | so that's literally the only result |
| 18:28.30 | Fisker | unless it can do the same minion of course |
| 18:28.32 | Fisker | should run those in zoo |
| 18:28.45 | Fisker | free heal + 4/4 stats |
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| 18:44.53 | Fisker | haha that combo is insane |
| 18:50.50 | karl_w_w | it cant be the same minion |
| 18:51.08 | karl_w_w | can |
| 18:51.12 | karl_w_w | i definitely mean can |
| 18:51.17 | karl_w_w | and i need to go to sleep |
| 18:51.18 | Fisker | oh |
| 18:51.33 | Fisker | so sometimes a +4/+4 but otherwise free heal and summon a 3/2 |
| 18:51.51 | Fisker | I definitely won't complain |
| 18:52.08 | karl_w_w | its great in priest decks |
| 18:52.28 | karl_w_w | turn a cabal shadow priest into a sylvanas |
| 18:52.33 | karl_w_w | yes please |
| 18:55.56 | Brainling | I stopped playing HS for a bit...if I come back am I going to be way behind the curve if I can't buy a bunch of GvG packs? I have every card from the original set, including all legendaries...so I still have some pretty beast decks |
| 18:56.03 | Brainling | just wondering if I can use them to earn some gold to buy some GvG |
| 19:06.05 | karl_w_w | if you've got a bit of dust stored up you can easily craft a few cards aimed at specific decks |
| 19:06.41 | karl_w_w | there's a lot of decks in the meta that only use a few of the new cards |
| 19:06.51 | karl_w_w | otherwise I'd just play some arena |
| 19:11.02 | fewyn | went and saw the new hobbit movie this morning |
| 19:11.09 | fewyn | was pretty good |
| 19:13.32 | Neffi | window shopping for weird gadgets. best find ever http://odditymall.com/this-fat-guy-will-rub-condiments-on-his-chest-for-a-birthday-video |
| 19:14.17 | zenzelezz | I think I can make do without clicking that link |
| 19:14.37 | Neffi | ;) |
| 19:16.37 | fewyn | If you were to want to watch the star wars movies in what order would you suggest? |
| 19:18.10 | Neffi | the order in which they were made |
| 19:18.19 | Ayrshire | http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-suggested-viewing-order/ |
| 19:18.28 | Neffi | that's how the story was told. plus if you're gonna fall asleep, you should get a chance to see the good ones first ;) |
| 19:18.49 | haste | you should watch the cut version of the newest ones as well |
| 19:18.53 | Ayrshire | Machete order is IV, V, II, III, VI |
| 19:19.09 | haste | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Edit |
| 19:22.00 | Fisker | :3 karl_w_w |
| 19:22.10 | Fisker | Attack with minion, recombulate, charge minion, kek |
| 19:23.12 | Ayrshire | So why is it called zoo and not zerg anyways? |
| 19:24.35 | fewyn | because it's a zoo of minions |
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| 19:25.40 | Ayrshire | I guess zerg rush does imply a lot of the same unit. |
| 19:26.18 | Ayrshire | But people know what zerg rush means, and it's even from the same company. :) |
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| 19:26.50 | Ayrshire | Although what overlap between SC players and Hearthstone players there is, I don't know. |
| 19:27.19 | Simca | Is there any way to retrieve dungeonID through the API? |
| 19:30.31 | Simca | besides http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetRFDungeonInfo |
| 19:30.58 | Neffi | Ayrshire: it does make a certain amount of sense. and now I want to watch Star Wars again ;) |
| 19:31.02 | Neffi | maybe i'll give it a try |
| 19:31.13 | Neffi | Machete, that is |
| 19:32.28 | foxlit | Semlar: foxlit why doesn't master plan just automatically level up the best followers to counter a particular mission for me << it doesn't really know who the best followers are, and upgrading gear probably requires hardware events. |
| 19:33.51 | Ayrshire | I haven't tried Machete order yet myself, but I saw that ages ago and it made a lot of sense. |
| 19:36.17 | Neffi | oh damn, I forgot, I don't have star wars anymore D: |
| 19:37.13 | Ayrshire | I never bothered picking up the new ones, and I've got the original trilogy on dvd but not sure where it is. |
| 19:37.30 | Torhal | Is Amarande our Jar-Jar, Neffi? |
| 19:37.33 | Ayrshire | I specifically got the edition that came with the theatrical edits. |
| 19:38.02 | Neffi | Torhal: pretty much |
| 19:38.04 | Ayrshire | Has the edited versions as well, but dunno why you'd want to watch those instead. |
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| 19:38.37 | Neffi | I dunno. I had some special golden set. I think it might've been the new edits. Plus I had the new trilogy. Lost them a couple years ago though. |
| 19:38.52 | Neffi | Why did my ISP have to start enforcing six strikes? :( |
| 19:39.54 | Ayrshire | My set is either buried somewhere in my bookshelves, or maybe at my parent's place. I remember lending it, not sure if it ever made it back. |
| 19:41.16 | Ayrshire | Apparently it's quite urgent that I be used as a cat platform. |
| 19:42.02 | Neffi | heh |
| 19:42.23 | Ayrshire | WFH is nice, but comes with distractions. :D |
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| 19:53.29 | Simca | Anyone know where the localized strings for http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetLFGDungeonEncounterInfo would be pulled from? |
| 19:53.37 | Simca | could be NPC ID but I don't think so |
| 19:53.59 | Simca | (CreatureCache via NPC ID, I mean) |
| 19:54.34 | Semlar | the encounter journal? |
| 19:59.40 | Guest60243 | Simca, what strings? |
| 20:01.28 | Semlar | the boss name, probably |
| 20:02.14 | Guest60243 | DungeonEncounter.dbc may be? |
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| 20:10.38 | Simca | could be |
| 20:23.30 | Simca | JournalEncounterCreature looks more likely since there is a texture paired with name there |
| 20:23.47 | Simca | but Vigilant Kaathar's texture returned nil ingame and he has one listed here |
| 20:24.47 | Semlar | when i was messing with GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo i only got a texture for the raid encounters i was saved to, not the dungeons |
| 20:25.05 | Simca | suppose it could be a bug |
| 20:25.09 | Semlar | but it was also the only one i was actively saved to |
| 20:25.41 | Semlar | like when i tried with auchindoun it didn't give me their texture |
| 20:25.47 | Semlar | and i assume auchindoun is in the encounter journal |
| 20:26.04 | Simca | yeah i reactivated auch and checked Vigiliant Kaathar again, still nothing |
| 20:26.10 | Simca | reactivated highmaul and checked, texture works |
| 20:27.03 | Semlar | maybe |
| 20:27.26 | Semlar | the texture listed has achievement in the name |
| 20:27.41 | Semlar | so it may not be related to the dungeon journal |
| 20:27.48 | Simca | yeah I wonder if it is pulling from something weird |
| 20:27.59 | Simca | like CriteriaTree.db2 |
| 20:29.08 | Semlar | the texture is a button icon with the rounded border |
| 20:29.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.37 | Shirik | where's seerah |
| 20:30.41 | Shirik | I broke music |
| 20:31.28 | Semlar | i don't think these are used in the interface |
| 20:31.36 | Simca | yeah they're definitely not |
| 20:31.47 | Simca | I mean, GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo isn't even used in the interface |
| 20:31.49 | Simca | lol |
| 20:31.57 | Semlar | yeah, but i mean i don't recognize any of the textures either |
| 20:32.13 | Simca | every raid boss has an achievement |
| 20:32.25 | Simca | "Do this fight while standing on your head" |
| 20:32.27 | Simca | etc |
| 20:32.36 | Simca | it is the texture from that |
| 20:32.57 | Semlar | ah that's what they're from |
| 20:32.59 | Semlar | except the one for koragh |
| 20:33.52 | Simca | Mythic: Koragh maybe |
| 20:34.17 | Semlar | it's returning spell_fel_incinerate which is like a green version of one of the warlock spells |
| 20:34.32 | Semlar | not the achievement icon |
| 20:34.53 | Simca | is it this icon? |
| 20:35.01 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/YdFYvb9.png |
| 20:35.14 | Simca | that's Koragh's "stand on head" achievement |
| 20:35.18 | Simca | maybe they got it wrong |
| 20:35.23 | Semlar | no, it's the icon for "flame on!" except green |
| 20:35.33 | Simca | oh, weird. |
| 20:36.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.23 | Semlar | and koragh clearly has his own portrait icon for one of the achievements |
| 20:37.30 | Semlar | so i wonder why this icon isn't that |
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| 20:42.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.54 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 20:44.05 | foxlit | tries to calm Semlar down. |
| 20:44.51 | Neffi | foxlit: you spelled "obnoxious" wrong |
| 20:45.14 | Simca | Semlar: the inconsistency kind of ruins my theory that this is from CriteriaTree |
| 20:45.33 | Semlar | it is a mystery |
| 20:53.57 | foxlit | Neffi: nothing that can't be solved by playing it on repeat a few thousand times. |
| 21:00.11 | Neffi | yes. when my auditory systems perform an evasive suicide, I no longer have to tolerate it |
| 21:00.26 | Neffi | should happen around the 20th or 30th loop |
| 21:01.36 | Neffi | oh damn, the HD version of the original star wars look damn good |
| 21:02.22 | nevcairiel | Some people don't like the changes that were done to it |
| 21:02.42 | Neffi | hmm, I don't know what those changes are |
| 21:03.15 | Simca | there are very minor differences in like 3 scenes |
| 21:03.37 | Simca | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first |
| 21:03.49 | Simca | yes, there is a freaking wikipedia article for the change |
| 21:05.55 | Fisker | should be removed |
| 21:05.58 | Neffi | well, now that I've read the article, the discrepancy is covered and I can watch the new version without commiting blasphemy |
| 21:06.10 | Neffi | thank you, oh, nerd lords of the internet, for saving my soul |
| 21:06.19 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:06.23 | Fisker | can you remove the article for me+ |
| 21:06.24 | Fisker | ? |
| 21:09.17 | Guest60243 | Simca, GetLFGDungeonEncounterInfo gets textures from SpellIcon.dbc |
| 21:10.42 | Simca | weeeird |
| 21:10.58 | Simca | I can't think of any connection between localized boss name and spell icon ID |
| 21:12.52 | tz | name -> ej encounter -> ej abilities -> spell -> icon? |
| 21:13.09 | tz | *reads scrollback* |
| 21:13.59 | Simca | why would there be a spell that had an icon of the bosses' face though |
| 21:14.10 | Guest60243 | http://paste2.org/yyMEYwNx |
| 21:14.11 | Simca | the "Hi, I'm Kargath Bladefist, Nice to Meet You" spell? |
| 21:14.25 | tz | hmmm |
| 21:15.05 | VIad | http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2qbjey/when_the_official_play_station_youtube_channel/ |
| 21:16.04 | Guest60243 | Simca, where struct_v8 var looks like a pointer to DungeonEncounter.dbc row |
| 21:16.39 | tz | awww, haven't seen hex-rays in ages |
| 21:16.40 | Simca | oh wow you're right |
| 21:16.55 | Simca | col 7 is spellIconID for DungeonEncounter |
| 21:17.07 | Simca | that's a horrible system, it should just be fileDataID |
| 21:17.12 | Simca | but I guess I shouldn't be too surprised |
| 21:17.14 | tz | I miss having access to IDA at work >_< |
| 21:17.18 | tz | ho hum |
| 21:18.29 | Simca | yeah unfortunately knowing people who know IDA is pretty integral to understanding some of the lesser used parts of the API (blizzard doesn't even use this function) |
| 21:18.49 | tz | nods |
| 21:18.52 | VIad | is IDA what you use to decompile the code? |
| 21:19.02 | Simca | now I can rip the name_lang and spellIconID columns from DungeonEncounter.dbc and I'll be set. |
| 21:19.07 | Simca | thanks TOM |
| 21:19.08 | tz | IDA + Hex-Rays C decompiler |
| 21:19.13 | tz | I'd imagine |
| 21:19.15 | tz | looks like it |
| 21:19.19 | Simca | yeah |
| 21:19.50 | tz | we didn't have the decompiler, but it looked sweet |
| 21:20.01 | tz | didn't need it considering we had the source, duuh :P |
| 21:20.32 | Simca | the decompiler is the expensive part nowadays |
| 21:20.40 | Simca | you can get IDA for a grand or so |
| 21:20.40 | tz | unsurprising |
| 21:20.50 | Simca | but the x64 decompiler is like $3500 |
| 21:21.04 | tz | yeah I actually toyed with the idea of getting a personal license, but realistically I can't justify the cost for my own endeavours |
| 21:21.05 | tz | no real need |
| 21:21.11 | tz | not like I'm doing any RE'ing or anything |
| 21:21.21 | Guest60243 | you can grab free copy on interwebs, so |
| 21:21.35 | Simca | not with x64 decompiler? |
| 21:21.38 | tz | unsurprising too :P |
| 21:21.45 | Guest60243 | x86 is enough |
| 21:21.47 | tz | didn't think there was an x64 decompiler? |
| 21:21.55 | Simca | there is, it is new |
| 21:21.59 | tz | ah |
| 21:22.05 | tz | I haven't looked at it in a few years |
| 21:22.13 | Simca | came out in July with IDA 6.6 |
| 21:22.19 | tz | ah nice |
| 21:50.01 | zenzelezz | hm, looks like a SpaceX launch at noon CET tomorrow |
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| 21:54.10 | kd3 | gack, we're getting a leap second in june |
| 21:54.18 | zenzelezz | oh man |
| 21:54.25 | zenzelezz | better start planning how to use it |
| 21:55.41 | Fisker | shit kd3 |
| 21:55.52 | Fisker | That means my sleeping schedule will be all messed up |
| 22:43.13 | Fisker | I don't understand karl_w_w |
| 22:43.15 | Fisker | I do not understand |
| 22:43.42 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/On6RYt5.jpg |
| 22:43.58 | Fisker | if those aren't the most unfair topdecks |
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| 23:21.19 | Semlar | has anyone here used Pawn and is that addon supposed to actually work |
| 23:23.04 | Mr_Rabies | it works fine, but the accuracy of the weights is up to you to believe or not, i'm sure more are accurate than others |
| 23:23.07 | Mr_Rabies | but you CAN use custom weights |
| 23:23.20 | Semlar | is it supposed to show up in item compare tooltips |
| 23:23.29 | Semlar | because the addon is doing literally nothing for me |
| 23:23.48 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.50 | Neffi | does literally nothing to Semlar |
| 23:24.09 | Mr_Rabies | works fine for me, equip something obviously bad for your spec and mouseover the better item |
| 23:25.47 | Semlar | yeah i don't know if i'm running something that's interfering with it but it does nothing |
| 23:26.09 | Mr_Rabies | lemme see |
| 23:26.16 | Mr_Rabies | what my version of that screen uses |
| 23:26.18 | Semlar | and it's not like i'm running a tooltip addon |
| 23:26.22 | Mr_Rabies | i don't use that screen, i use item tooltips |
| 23:26.30 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 23:26.34 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure it'll work |
| 23:27.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.11 | Semlar | i have almost the stock ui so if something i'm running is actually breaking it i don't know what it is |
| 23:29.11 | Semlar | although i'm pretty sure i could make an addon that lets me compare two items in like 5 minutes |
| 23:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | here's mine: http://i.imgur.com/OJFHsRj.png |
| 23:30.08 | Semlar | :| |
| 23:30.53 | Torhal | compares Semlar to a tangerine. |
| 23:31.00 | Semlar | i'm delicious! |
| 23:32.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm running... |
| 23:32.12 | Mr_Rabies | 1.9.10 |
| 23:32.18 | Semlar | well i just downloaded it |
| 23:32.21 | Semlar | and i've never used it before |
| 23:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think i am set to alpha though, lemme see |
| 23:32.42 | Semlar | i'll mess with it later |
| 23:32.45 | Semlar | dinner time! |
| 23:33.02 | Torhal | Eating tangerines? |
| 23:33.14 | Semlar | no |
| 23:33.42 | Neffi | but why not? |
| 23:33.45 | Semlar | it is winter |
| 23:33.52 | Neffi | excuses! |
| 23:34.02 | Semlar | there are no tangerines neffi |
| 23:34.20 | Neffi | of course there are |
| 23:35.20 | Torhal | Santa Clause has tangerines, Semlar. |
| 23:35.32 | Torhal | Didn't you see the Doctor Who special? |
| 23:36.50 | Neffi | Santa Claus only brings Semlar coal because he's naughty |
| 23:40.39 | foxlit | GarrisonMissionMechanicFollowerCounter_OnEnter + GarrisonMissionMechanicFollowerCounter_OnLeave + HybridScrollFrames == !@#!@#$!@!! |
| 23:41.40 | foxlit | "oh hey, let's arrange child buttons so that when you scroll, your mouse actually remains over the same physical widget. Who even needs mouse events?" |
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| 23:42.08 | foxlit | "Oh wait, you managed to trigger OnLeave? Too bad, because I swapped self.info from under you and now it's hiding the wrong tooltip." |
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| 23:48.04 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
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| 23:52.50 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
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| 23:54.15 | Fisker | hey |
| 23:54.21 | Fisker | I should sleep |
| 23:55.39 | Mr_Rabies | argh they really need to increase the quest cap |
| 23:55.49 | Mr_Rabies | 25 in the log is way too small :< |
| 23:56.03 | nevcairiel | just stop collecting Inn quests if you dont plan to run instances :P |
| 23:57.41 | Mr_Rabies | but i might! |
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