| 00:03.48 | fewyn | i don't think there's a limit |
| 00:03.52 | fewyn | at least not one i've seen |
| 00:04.14 | fewyn | i regularly keep several thousand auctions up |
| 00:04.26 | fewyn | https://theunderminejournal.com/#eonar/seller/rotwyn |
| 00:10.21 | Trucidare | Woah, nice |
| 00:11.03 | Trucidare | What's the auction addon everyone uses nowdays? I heard it's tradeskillmaster? |
| 00:12.21 | Ressy | ya |
| 00:13.49 | Trucidare | What advantage does it have over auctionator/auctioneer? |
| 00:14.44 | Ressy | faster posting. auto mailing. |
| 00:15.11 | znf | I could never figure why I should use TSM |
| 00:15.17 | znf | Auctionator does all the features I would use in TSM :-/ |
| 00:15.25 | Ressy | I thought the same. |
| 00:15.29 | Ressy | Then it tried it. |
| 00:15.43 | znf | I did, too, then I removed it :D |
| 00:16.05 | Ressy | lol |
| 00:16.13 | Ressy | I run auctionator & TSM. |
| 00:17.03 | Ressy | TSM has an .exe where it'll pull auction data in from wow's API every 30 minutes, and write to the TSM file. quick /rl and you get the updated info, without scanning the AH. |
| 00:19.20 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.42 | znf | yay you added tablet fragments |
| 00:20.00 | nevcairiel | whats the bottom line for |
| 00:20.12 | foxlit | indeed. |
| 00:20.25 | Ressy | unused followers? |
| 00:20.39 | nevcairiel | also i must play too much by knowing the name of all of those followers there by their portrait |
| 00:20.57 | nevcairiel | unused makes no sense on missions of interest page |
| 00:21.11 | nevcairiel | more likely "keep these to do the missions as outlined above"! |
| 00:21.26 | foxlit | see, it's a disaster. |
| 00:21.27 | nevcairiel | but that doesnt match the followers it picked |
| 00:21.37 | nevcairiel | use the words |
| 00:21.41 | nevcairiel | that what we have them for |
| 00:21.58 | znf | foxlit, uhuh, could we have a way to figure out what the % of the missions who aren't completely countered i? |
| 00:22.06 | foxlit | symmetry and space, nevcairiel :( |
| 00:22.17 | znf | like, what % do I have on my 2nd one? http://i.imgur.com/tX0rRwd.png |
| 00:22.43 | foxlit | znf: pretend it's 5/6. |
| 00:22.57 | nevcairiel | znf: it doesnt account for racial traits or other success bonus things at all |
| 00:23.02 | znf | I know :P |
| 00:23.06 | znf | which is why I'm curious |
| 00:23.34 | nevcairiel | my 5/6 mission has like burst of power, combat experience and one racial trait in it |
| 00:23.38 | nevcairiel | that should suffice, i hope |
| 00:24.09 | znf | I have no idea if that missions has any sort of environment requirement |
| 00:24.28 | foxlit | anyhow, a "keep these followers" list would be kind of silly |
| 00:24.51 | foxlit | since then you'd have to go back to the followers page, and figure out which followers not to keep. |
| 00:24.55 | nevcairiel | znf: most highmaul missions are swamp |
| 00:25.00 | nevcairiel | one is ogre killer i think |
| 00:30.59 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and then the german version is inevitably going to be "Thesefollowersarenotusedonanymissionsintheabovelist:" leaving room for like 2. |
| 00:31.13 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 00:31.18 | nevcairiel | just be happy you dont translate to finish |
| 00:31.28 | nevcairiel | finnish* |
| 00:37.08 | Dagmar | German laughs at your silly word breaks. |
| 01:01.46 | zenzelezz | "The problem with with SSH enabled toilets, is there always will be a crack in the user interface that can be exploited." |
| 01:04.23 | Thunder_Child | Am I missing something? That doesn't seem funny at all. |
| 01:05.59 | Fisker | Because butts |
| 01:06.02 | Fisker | Huehue |
| 01:10.52 | tz | sighs |
| 01:11.25 | tz | so basically I can't complete shadowmoon burial grounds, because of persistent client crashes, gg |
| 01:11.57 | tz | yay for submitting 12 crashdumps in 10 mins |
| 01:12.18 | tz | suprised the random pug put up with my relogging for that long |
| 01:20.15 | Simca | check your crash logs |
| 01:20.21 | Simca | in World of Warcraft\Errors\ |
| 01:20.31 | tz | already open, nothing sticks out |
| 01:20.58 | tz | The instruction at "0x00007ff612453d63" referenced memory at "0x0000000000000004". |
| 01:21.01 | tz | weeee, 0x4 |
| 01:21.11 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: That would be an SSH enabled ass. |
| 01:22.06 | tz | happens with 32-bit, 64-bit, D3D9, D3D11, OpenGL |
| 01:22.07 | tz | winrar |
| 01:22.11 | Simca | error 132? ACCESS_VIOLATION exception? |
| 01:22.17 | tz | yup |
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| 01:26.31 | tz | function at 0x011B2296 seems to be returning zero, given that the failing instruction is: 01343D90 mov edi,dword ptr [eax+4] |
| 01:26.36 | tz | yay for minidump |
| 01:27.25 | Simca | yeah i guess eax is 0 so it references 0x4, which is obviously not where WoW stuff should be |
| 01:27.44 | tz | pretty much |
| 01:28.20 | Simca | if you google error 132 in combination with "0x0000000000000004", it seems like this is a specific subset of error 132s - several people with similar issues |
| 01:31.45 | tz | curious, some go back to 2006 |
| 01:33.56 | Ressy | Error codes have changed with 6.0 btw. |
| 01:34.24 | Simca | 132 is the same i'm pretty sure |
| 01:34.45 | Ressy | 132 just means "Something went wrong" |
| 01:34.52 | Simca | right |
| 01:34.57 | Simca | the useless error code |
| 01:35.16 | Ressy | mmhmm.. Thats why you get someone trained to read the error log. :P |
| 01:36.38 | tz | what, so they can point out that each of the dumps has this: |
| 01:36.38 | tz | <Addons.Current> BigWigs_Core |
| 01:36.38 | tz | <Addons.Current.Function> EJ_GetSectionInfo |
| 01:36.38 | tz | <Addons.Current.Object> (null) |
| 01:36.54 | Fisker | :3 |
| 01:37.00 | nevcairiel | are you on mac? |
| 01:37.06 | nevcairiel | if yes, then switch to windows |
| 01:37.08 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 01:37.09 | tz | nope |
| 01:37.36 | nevcairiel | also talk to Funkeh`, he was messing around with a crash in the EJ code some weeks ago |
| 01:37.40 | Ressy | Usually when it shows what current addon is running, that addon will be a contributor, or the cause. |
| 01:38.17 | nevcairiel | also just to be safe, make sure your bigwigs is updated, and not a year old :P |
| 01:38.22 | Ressy | lol |
| 01:38.34 | Simca | http://www.wowace.com/addons/big-wigs/tickets/699-big-wigs-causes-mac-client-crash/?page=2 is what nevcairiel was referencing probably |
| 01:38.34 | tz | r12486 |
| 01:38.53 | Simca | that's 1 hour old |
| 01:39.03 | nevcairiel | yeah thats the ticket |
| 01:39.11 | Simca | i wonder if a change caused the problem to reoccur in the very latest build |
| 01:39.23 | tz | nah this has happened since WoD dropped for me |
| 01:39.36 | tz | OCCASIONALLY it'll work fine |
| 01:39.45 | tz | after maybe 1-2 client crashes I'll be able to complete it |
| 01:39.47 | nevcairiel | its a very rare problem in any case |
| 01:39.47 | Ressy | yeah... Ace3 & BigWigs having issues with EJ_GetSectionInfo. |
| 01:40.02 | nevcairiel | it has nothing to do with ace3, it doesnt call any game apis by itself :p |
| 01:40.05 | tz | but most times it's a crash every time I relog and I can't get back in without being kicked from the pug :( |
| 01:40.09 | Ressy | nods |
| 01:40.27 | tz | well, if you want someone who can reproduce it pretty damn consistently, hit me up :P |
| 01:41.56 | tz | going thru the error logs, every crash I've had since 12/12 has been caused by it >_< |
| 01:42.06 | tz | 22 in all |
| 01:42.21 | Simca | nice. |
| 01:42.46 | Fisker | rekt |
| 01:42.52 | nevcairiel | the nerzhul module contains one spell that needs a EJ_GetSectionInfo call |
| 01:42.54 | tz | I should see if I can get an instance lockout for SMBG just so I can run thru without needing to kill anything |
| 01:43.22 | Simca | you could always just turn off bigwigs now that you know what is the problem |
| 01:43.41 | tz | well it'd be more littlewigs, no? |
| 01:43.47 | Simca | yeah |
| 01:43.54 | nevcairiel | i wonder why it uses the EJ and not the spell info like for the other spells there |
| 01:44.21 | nevcairiel | in any case, try to contact Funkeh` directly, as he removed all other EJ calls from the raid modules before |
| 01:44.45 | tz | gonna turn off littlewigs and confirm that it's the cause first |
| 01:45.07 | tz | or, rather, contributing |
| 01:45.58 | nevcairiel | keep sending them crash reports though, hopefully blizzard fixes it sometime |
| 01:46.41 | tz | oh I know |
| 01:46.52 | tz | having had to dissect them at my last job, the more you get the easier it is |
| 01:47.05 | tz | shame they're not full dumps, otherwise I'd have a bit more context to look at |
| 01:47.11 | Simca | well |
| 01:47.16 | nevcairiel | well this one seems straight forward, it points at the function and everything :d |
| 01:47.20 | tz | that'd be a few gb though ;) |
| 01:47.29 | Simca | assuming that blizzard doesn't just go "oh, there's an addon in this stack trace, NEXT" |
| 01:47.34 | nevcairiel | minidumps are usually just fine for debugging crashes |
| 01:47.47 | tz | yeah I know, if you've got the PDB's to work with |
| 01:47.49 | Simca | because their #1 troubleshooting tip is removing addons |
| 01:47.53 | nevcairiel | full dumps are just too annoying to handle |
| 01:47.58 | nevcairiel | because of their size |
| 01:48.01 | tz | yup |
| 01:48.12 | tz | occasionally we had to get people to generate full ones |
| 01:48.15 | tz | they were fun |
| 01:48.51 | tz | FTP is not the best protocol for getting them sent over |
| 01:48.51 | tz | lol |
| 01:52.29 | MysticalOS | i've never seen that crash at al, and i use a ton of EJ calls in DBM and raid on mac os x |
| 01:53.05 | nevcairiel | its very rare, it happens to very few people, but when you catch it, it happens all the time |
| 01:53.24 | nevcairiel | apparently also on windows now |
| 01:53.31 | MysticalOS | I wonder if it's related to a gettime bug |
| 01:53.40 | Simca | well in this case DBM's user base is vastly larger, so you'd think he would have seen it, nevcairiel |
| 01:53.59 | tz | hmmmm |
| 01:54.02 | MysticalOS | yeah has to be very rare |
| 01:54.17 | MysticalOS | i do recall mac client had a bug recently where it'd crash out if user hadn't rebooted in a few days |
| 01:54.24 | MysticalOS | if GetTime() number was too large |
| 01:54.27 | MysticalOS | it crashed wow |
| 01:54.35 | tz | for one of my addons I had EJ issues when EJ_SetDifficulty() wasn't being called correctly... but it never resulted in a crash - don't see any calls to it in LW? |
| 01:54.41 | tz | or bigwigs for that matter |
| 01:55.03 | tz | s/correctly// |
| 01:55.10 | Simca | purl is dead |
| 01:55.12 | nevcairiel | sometimes the EJ gets stuck on the wrong difficulty just without any addons |
| 01:55.13 | tz | boo |
| 01:55.28 | tz | yeah, wondering if a call needs to be made first? |
| 01:55.36 | MysticalOS | hmm |
| 01:55.53 | tz | calling EJ_GetInstanceInfo() without setting difficulty sometimes returned nothing in the lua code |
| 01:56.00 | MysticalOS | i use EJ_GetSectionInfo a ton, but never before creating upvalue for it, wonder if that fixes it? |
| 01:56.01 | tz | wondering if the same sort of thing is happening up the chain in this case? |
| 01:56.23 | MysticalOS | i'd think funky would put it in his globals t hough, unless he uses it very little? |
| 01:56.36 | nevcairiel | does calling EJ_GetSectionInfo(9680) immediately crash for you? |
| 01:56.52 | MysticalOS | nope |
| 01:56.53 | tz | works fine |
| 01:56.54 | nevcairiel | (thats the one it uses in shadowmoon) |
| 01:56.56 | MysticalOS | returns ritual of bones |
| 01:57.27 | Simca | he uses it very little, MysticalOS; I don't think he creates an upvalue for it |
| 01:57.36 | nevcairiel | actually he does |
| 01:57.45 | tz | I'll zone in and rerun, gimme a few to fly out there |
| 01:57.56 | Simca | ah, in the addon table |
| 01:58.28 | Simca | yeah the problem apparently occurs on relog/zone/reload, tz |
| 01:58.52 | nevcairiel | actually it happens when bigwigs activates a boss modules, as thats when its called |
| 01:59.03 | nevcairiel | which might as well be when you get close to the boss |
| 01:59.13 | tz | when I click on the bastard! |
| 01:59.27 | tz | ok not so sure about that |
| 01:59.34 | tz | but it's definitely when I drop down to his room |
| 01:59.42 | tz | not sure of EXACT timing |
| 01:59.43 | MysticalOS | i've reloaded and relogged in 5 man dungeons with dbm without issue, which would result in EJ_GetSectionInfo being called over a dozen times :\ |
| 02:00.16 | MysticalOS | i'd be curious to learn more about the hardware being used., or software (OS etc) |
| 02:00.43 | nevcairiel | its unlikely that such a problem is hardware dependent |
| 02:00.46 | tz | mine? win8.1, gtx980 |
| 02:00.56 | MysticalOS | you get crash? |
| 02:01.10 | tz | all the time in ner'zhul's room |
| 02:01.35 | MysticalOS | what would specifically call EJ_GetSectionInfo in his room? |
| 02:01.56 | nevcairiel | his boss module activates, which gets BW to lookup ritual of bones |
| 02:02.02 | MysticalOS | ah |
| 02:02.10 | MysticalOS | forgot bigwigs activates on boss not zone |
| 02:02.20 | tz | is there a way to force-activate a module? |
| 02:02.24 | MysticalOS | could this be an issue of calling it in combat? |
| 02:02.25 | nevcairiel | open the options |
| 02:02.41 | tz | not in combat when you get to his room |
| 02:02.43 | MysticalOS | hmm wait no, i call it in combat all the time too |
| 02:02.54 | nevcairiel | viewing the options of a boss also triggers the calls |
| 02:03.10 | tz | ok, 1 sec |
| 02:03.31 | tz | gotta leg it, being horde and all |
| 02:05.41 | nevcairiel | is there no horde flight point somewhere close by? alliance gets one at blood slag |
| 02:05.57 | tz | probably is, I've just been too lazy to go to SMV |
| 02:06.03 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 02:06.07 | tz | got one in socrethar's rise |
| 02:07.03 | tz | yep, instant crash when I view ner'zhul's options screen |
| 02:08.01 | tz | lemme just quickly check if doing an EJ_SetDifficulty(2) helps |
| 02:08.28 | tz | bingo |
| 02:08.30 | tz | no crash |
| 02:08.43 | nevcairiel | i dont suppose you know what value it was on before |
| 02:08.57 | tz | nope but I'm gonna re-zone and make sure I do a clean testcase |
| 02:10.27 | tz | EJ_GetDifficulty() returns 1 upon login, which is normal instance |
| 02:10.32 | tz | does he not do it in normal? |
| 02:10.53 | MysticalOS | i suspect the issue isn't the value being 1, but not yet created |
| 02:11.46 | tz | zone out, log out, log in, zone in, view LittleWigs SMBG/Ner'zhul options, crashes |
| 02:11.55 | tz | EJ_GetDifficulty() returns 1 in that instance |
| 02:12.25 | nevcairiel | do you have something that resets the difficulty somehow? |
| 02:12.48 | nevcairiel | mine seems to be 14 after login |
| 02:13.08 | MysticalOS | mines 0 at login |
| 02:13.16 | MysticalOS | it should be set to current zones difficulty |
| 02:13.35 | nevcairiel | i was in front of the instance, ie. open world |
| 02:13.39 | MysticalOS | hmm, strange |
| 02:13.53 | tz | I know I muck with it to cache instance data upon player login |
| 02:14.03 | tz | might deactivate that and see if it's colliding |
| 02:14.19 | tz | some bosses not available on some difficulties, etc. etc. |
| 02:15.02 | MysticalOS | try putting this on login, |
| 02:15.03 | MysticalOS | local _, instanceType, difficulty = GetInstanceInfo() |
| 02:15.03 | tz | yeah no problem once setting difficulty, hmmm |
| 02:15.03 | MysticalOS | EJ_SetDifficulty(difficulty) |
| 02:18.35 | tz | did a /run EJ_SetDifficulty(select(3,GetInstanceInfo())) when I zoned in, was fine, unsurprisingly |
| 02:22.50 | MysticalOS | i cannot reproduce crash no matter how hard i try |
| 02:22.56 | MysticalOS | under any circomstance |
| 02:23.09 | tz | try /run EJ_SetDifficulty(25) |
| 02:23.13 | MysticalOS | i tried that |
| 02:23.18 | MysticalOS | i set difficulty to 99 |
| 02:23.28 | MysticalOS | EJ_GetSectionInfo(9680) is still fine |
| 02:23.39 | MysticalOS | i tried setting difficulty to nil but it wouldn't let me |
| 02:25.14 | MysticalOS | local blah2 = EJ_GetSectionInfo(9680) |
| 02:25.14 | MysticalOS | print(blah2) |
| 02:25.22 | tz | weird, if I set it to 2, it works fine, but if I set it to 25 it crashes |
| 02:25.22 | MysticalOS | in top two lines of mod, prints ritual of bones at login |
| 02:25.49 | tz | this is me opening littlewigs's config screen, dunno what ELSE it uses |
| 02:26.21 | MysticalOS | yeah i'm not testing with little wigs i'm trying to run it various ways and printing output |
| 02:26.23 | Simca | <tz> weird, if I set it to 2, it works fine, but if I set it to 25 it crashes |
| 02:26.25 | Simca | weird |
| 02:26.44 | tz | well, one of my addons iterates thru difficulties 1-25 |
| 02:26.50 | Simca | that shouldn't be dependent on anything else - if it crashes you to set the difficulty out of bounds it should crash him |
| 02:26.55 | Simca | wait which addon |
| 02:26.56 | tz | I checked and it WASN'T 25 when it crashed |
| 02:27.10 | tz | Yes, Boss |
| 02:27.21 | MysticalOS | i wonder if everyone getting crash is running Boss? |
| 02:27.32 | tz | dunno, I doubt a lot of people use it |
| 02:27.42 | MysticalOS | probably why the very few reports |
| 02:27.45 | tz | I'm about to push a change which resets it after caching instance data |
| 02:27.47 | tz | yeah possibly |
| 02:28.01 | MysticalOS | for sake of testing, just disable boss? and see if it works naturally without work arounds? |
| 02:28.22 | tz | doing that right now |
| 02:28.32 | MysticalOS | i can't think of any good reason any mod needs to even do that iterration |
| 02:28.38 | MysticalOS | what on earth is boss doing |
| 02:29.18 | tz | well it uses EJ to go through each encounter instead of hard-coding the IDs, so for things like Ra-den it'd have needed to swap difficulty for it to list it |
| 02:29.54 | Simca | the other guy with that issue said BW+LW was fine alone, other addons were fine alone, but BW+LW+some of his other addons was when the crash happened |
| 02:29.56 | tz | yep, works with it disabled... awesome, I caused my own issue :D |
| 02:30.08 | Simca | and apparently caused another user some fun too! |
| 02:30.32 | MysticalOS | so to work around crash bug, just correct difficulty before calling section info |
| 02:30.45 | MysticalOS | puzzling that even that's inconsistent, i can call info with invalid difficulties all day |
| 02:30.49 | tz | interesting that it doesn't crash when I iterate through all of them |
| 02:30.56 | tz | although I don't use getsectioninfo |
| 02:31.04 | tz | perhaps they missed a lua_checkXXX |
| 02:40.10 | tz | mmmmkay, seems to be alright now |
| 02:40.31 | MysticalOS | i applied fix to dbm for heck of it. for good measure |
| 02:40.53 | tz | probably a good move, considering it's a critical error as opposed to just a lua one |
| 02:48.45 | Brainling | that moment where you realize the way you were trying to solve a problem was about as convoluted as it could be... |
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| 03:07.53 | Enma_Hinobara | Does Lua allow concatination of string literals across newlines, like "a" [newline] "b" [newline] "c" (which would give the same string as "abc")? |
| 03:09.24 | Torhal | Enma_Hinobara: [[a |
| 03:09.25 | Torhal | b |
| 03:09.27 | Torhal | c]] |
| 03:12.37 | Enma_Hinobara | But that includes the newlines in the string, right? |
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| 03:15.26 | Gethe | yes it does |
| 03:15.31 | ALPHATT | Hey guys |
| 03:15.35 | Enma_Hinobara | So != "abc" |
| 03:16.04 | ALPHATT | You guys know the big fat hp bars used as UI for castin arena matches, most notably the one used for the 2014 blizzcon championship |
| 03:16.19 | Gethe | Enma_Hinobara: correct |
| 03:16.23 | ALPHATT | anyone knows of an addon or theme for an addon that can get similar results for my in-game unitframes |
| 03:16.33 | Brainling | anyone ever had an issue where WoW won't load an uncompressed TGA from an addon directory? The path is correct in my XML, and the file is there...but I'm getting green square |
| 03:16.55 | Torhal | ALPHATT: You do realize that this is a channel devoted to Lua, so saying "addon" doesn't actually mean anything to anyone, right? :D |
| 03:17.04 | ALPHATT | http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hqWgyNBwrrI/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 03:17.07 | Torhal | I'm assuming you mean World of Warcraft, though? |
| 03:17.14 | ALPHATT | Yeah |
| 03:17.31 | ALPHATT | I'm sorry, I was just curious if anyone knew |
| 03:17.35 | Torhal | You'd be better off asking in #wowuidev |
| 03:17.43 | ALPHATT | umm |
| 03:17.48 | ALPHATT | aren't I there? |
| 03:17.48 | Enma_Hinobara | You know this is #wowuidev, right? |
| 03:17.49 | Torhal | Hah |
| 03:17.50 | Trucidare | we're in this channel |
| 03:18.07 | Torhal | No, for some reason I thought I was in #lua |
| 03:18.11 | ALPHATT | lol |
| 03:18.16 | Torhal | Yay me! |
| 03:18.21 | Torhal | goes back to lurking. |
| 03:18.41 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Torhal |
| 03:18.41 | purl | steals Torhal's mojo |
| 03:18.46 | Trucidare | ALPHATT: Is that the arena tournament addon UI? |
| 03:18.54 | Torhal | ~stab Thunder_Child |
| 03:18.55 | purl | ACTION runs at Thunder_Child with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 03:19.08 | Trucidare | Oh wait, I didn't look properly |
| 03:19.22 | ALPHATT | Yeah it is |
| 03:19.43 | Simca | thank god modern browsers save form data |
| 03:19.50 | Simca | spent over an hour writing this bug report |
| 03:19.55 | Enma_Hinobara | Looking at http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Special_Events_2, what does it mean about "Prefix/suffix to use"? Does that mean the special even is the same as that prefix/suffix, or just that they have the same parameters? |
| 03:20.04 | Simca | hit post, blizz site redirects me to the new post page, blank |
| 03:20.10 | ALPHATT | Trucidare: I think it would be an incriedibly stylish alternative to Pitbull unitframes, since it's not ugly as hell. |
| 03:20.16 | Trucidare | nah I was talking about the private server one, but it isn't |
| 03:20.31 | Trucidare | Pitbull is kind of ugly at default but is really customizable though |
| 03:20.52 | ALPHATT | No it's an addon made for casting tournament realm/wargames |
| 03:21.11 | ALPHATT | You can't make it look like that no matter what though. |
| 03:21.18 | Simca | Enma_Hinobara: special event takes the place of prefix+suffix, yeah |
| 03:21.44 | ALPHATT | The thing is i'm looking for the clarity of TukUI without losing the beauty of default wow UI |
| 03:21.53 | Simca | I'm not sure I like the prefix+suffix approach to explaining it; it really is just one massive list of events and most of them just happen to share a common naming scheme |
| 03:22.01 | ALPHATT | I've tried using Moveanything, but you can only go so far with that. |
| 03:22.05 | Trucidare | I remember someone casting an ameteur tournament back in LK and used a modified pitbull for it |
| 03:23.08 | Enma_Hinobara | What are the semantics for say DAMAGE_SHIELD? Is that different from SPELL_DAMAGE in some way? |
| 03:23.35 | Trucidare | damage shield is melee only afaik |
| 03:23.40 | ALPHATT | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/vadraks-arenalive |
| 03:23.54 | ALPHATT | that's a majorly outdated version though |
| 03:24.14 | Simca | they all have different arguments, unfortunately, Enma_Hinobara |
| 03:24.31 | Simca | the first 8 are the same in all cases but after that there is no assurances |
| 03:24.42 | Simca | (timestamp through destFlags) |
| 03:24.48 | Brainling | Derp, figured out the texture thing...my texture wasn't power of 2...herp de derp de |
| 03:24.53 | Enma_Hinobara | That link I gave has a table of the arguments, but doesn't explain the special events |
| 03:25.10 | Enma_Hinobara | At least not for 3 of them |
| 03:25.15 | Trucidare | Yeah your texture needs to be a power of 2 but the width/height of the frame that has the texture can be anything |
| 03:25.23 | Enma_Hinobara | Trying to write an event parser |
| 03:25.31 | Torhal | o.O |
| 03:25.32 | Simca | that page is also pretty out of date |
| 03:25.37 | ALPHATT | Actually I just realized the devs released the addon as unitframes as well |
| 03:25.38 | ALPHATT | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/arenalive-unitframes |
| 03:25.38 | Simca | there are new parameters |
| 03:25.38 | Enma_Hinobara | Is there a better one? |
| 03:25.46 | Gethe | http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 03:25.53 | Simca | isn't updated either, gethe |
| 03:26.02 | Gethe | more than wowwiki |
| 03:26.11 | Simca | neither works for WoD |
| 03:26.17 | Gethe | ah |
| 03:26.28 | Enma_Hinobara | Where is the most up to date list? :P |
| 03:26.48 | Simca | probably inside recount. lol |
| 03:27.05 | Enma_Hinobara | Why the hell isn't there an official document? |
| 03:27.10 | Simca | SWING_DAMAGE/SPELL_DAMAGE/SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE gain new parameters after crushing (isOffHand, multistrike) |
| 03:27.10 | Simca | SPELL_HEAL/SPELL_PERIODIC_HEAL gains new parameter after critical (multistrike) |
| 03:27.10 | Simca | SPELL_MISSED/SPELL_PERIODIC_MISSED/RANGE_MISSED/SWING_MISSED gains new parameter after isOffHand (multistrike) |
| 03:27.16 | Simca | those were some of the 6.0 additions |
| 03:27.24 | Torhal | Blizzard doesn't directly support the AddOn Author COmmunity. |
| 03:27.37 | Torhal | They write things for the default UI, we figure the internals out. |
| 03:27.45 | Trucidare | Yeah it's always been like that |
| 03:27.47 | Torhal | I say "we" in the broadest sense. |
| 03:27.50 | Enma_Hinobara | *sigh* |
| 03:27.59 | Simca | they also added absorbs in 5.3 or 5.4 and none of the pages list that, so yeah |
| 03:28.09 | Simca | recount's .lua file for parsing events is where you want to look |
| 03:31.40 | Simca | Tracker.lua, around line 915 |
| 03:31.45 | Trucidare | Is it bad practice to make another addon that just defines a table index with data for another addon? |
| 03:31.47 | Simca | there is a list of events |
| 03:32.20 | Simca | Trucidare: generally. unless that data will updated incredibly frequently and isn't important for the main addon to function |
| 03:33.22 | Trucidare | The data isn't important at all, all I want to do is add the data to the addon's table |
| 03:33.52 | Enma_Hinobara | Back in the SC/WC3 days I used to take pride in the specs I wrote from disassembling Blizzard games. Apparently that's not a common trait. |
| 03:34.13 | Trucidare | The data won't be updated at all either, just read from at the moment |
| 03:34.58 | Simca | to be fair WoW has an incredibly ridiculous number of functions, and most of them are documented and up to date |
| 03:35.20 | Simca | events are less used and therefore less documented |
| 03:37.06 | Simca | looks like it should be really trivial to get a complete list from this recount file |
| 03:37.18 | Enma_Hinobara | I'm looking at that |
| 03:39.23 | Enma_Hinobara | Is there anything in Lua patterns like Perl (?:) |
| 03:39.30 | Enma_Hinobara | Group but not capture? |
| 03:40.04 | foxlit | no, because lua doesn't do groups. at all. even with captures. |
| 03:41.41 | foxlit | (okay, I lied: it does do backreferences, which can be similar in some circumstances, mostly when you squint at them extremely hard) |
| 03:44.32 | Enma_Hinobara | I mean like for "(blah|goat|moo)(_(one|1))?" |
| 03:44.43 | Brainling | what I really miss in Lua are negative look ahead/behinds...you can approximate positive look ahead, but but negative is a no go |
| 03:44.45 | Enma_Hinobara | Is there no way in Lua to capture less than 3 capture groups from that? |
| 03:45.44 | foxlit | that won't work to begin with. |
| 03:45.57 | Brainling | remember that Lua doesn't contain a full regex implementation, and even in the Lua docs they are careful to call them "patterns", not regular expressions...there's quite a bit it doesn't do |
| 03:46.19 | foxlit | ("foo"):match("(foo|bar)") == nil |
| 03:46.25 | Enma_Hinobara | I'm brand new to Lua. I was hoping my moderately extensive Perl knowledge would come in useful :P |
| 03:46.38 | Brainling | Emna: Unfortunately no :( No Perl -> Ruby joy here |
| 03:47.00 | foxlit | it'll come in useful when reading the Lua manual: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 03:48.08 | Simca | foxlit: aren't those both just based on the syntax that the C function uses? |
| 03:48.14 | Simca | (lua and perl) |
| 03:48.33 | Simca | I think they add a few things |
| 03:48.38 | Simca | but in general anyway |
| 03:48.48 | Enma_Hinobara | Does Lua seriously not support | |
| 03:49.01 | Simca | 'or' |
| 03:49.08 | Enma_Hinobara | Patterns |
| 03:49.16 | foxlit | yes. |
| 03:49.18 | Trucidare | Yes it does |
| 03:49.19 | nebula169 | it's almost like it's just simple pattern matching and not regex |
| 03:50.01 | Torhal | bashes nebula169 about the head with a piñata. |
| 03:54.12 | Simca | i finally posted about the 10 year bug i've mentioned a few times: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15699093079 |
| 03:54.53 | Enma_Hinobara | I don't see | listed in the Lua patterns manual |
| 03:55.20 | foxlit | conclusion: there is no |. |
| 03:55.30 | Enma_Hinobara | [19:49] <foxlit> yes. |
| 03:55.30 | Enma_Hinobara | [19:49] <Trucidare> Yes it does |
| 03:55.42 | foxlit | yeah, we disagree. mine is "yet [it doesn't] |
| 03:55.50 | nebula169 | http://lua-users.org/wiki/PatternsTutorial |
| 03:55.54 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.20 | foxlit | reference manual > puny wiki :) |
| 03:56.44 | Enma_Hinobara | I guess that explains why they call them patterns and not regex |
| 03:56.52 | Enma_Hinobara | I'm not aware of any regex implementation not supporting | |
| 03:57.18 | Enma_Hinobara | Well, that changes how I'm going to code this |
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| 04:00.21 | Enma_Hinobara | How do spells like Arcane Resonance work? Does the debuff kick off an instant-cast spell each tick? |
| 04:01.33 | Enma_Hinobara | I saw that Living Bomb kicks off an instant-cast spell at expiration |
| 04:02.35 | Simca | not sure what arcane resonance does but standard DoTs just trigger a SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE |
| 04:03.08 | Enma_Hinobara | Arcane Resonance is a debuff that does an Arcane Explosion-like effect every second |
| 04:03.20 | Simca | yeah |
| 04:03.31 | Enma_Hinobara | Doing damage to nearby units |
| 04:03.33 | Simca | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=116417/arcane-resonance effect 2 |
| 04:03.55 | Enma_Hinobara | Ooooh |
| 04:04.05 | Enma_Hinobara | Didn't know WoWHead had that kind of technical info |
| 04:04.08 | Thraul | i have noticed on curseforge when pulling addons via svn it grabs the externals but when getting some via git the external libs are not retrieved. why would this be? |
| 04:04.26 | Torhal | Git doesn't have an "externals" notion. |
| 04:04.58 | Thraul | bugger so will have to retrieve all the libs for the git addons manually |
| 04:05.10 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 04:07.32 | Stanzilla | Torhal: does the new packager work with git submodules? |
| 04:07.50 | Torhal | Not at this point. |
| 04:07.55 | Stanzilla | make it so. |
| 04:08.00 | Torhal | Heh |
| 04:09.37 | Thraul | some of the addons i have been grabbig via git have a .gitignore and a .pkgmeta so i have been able to determine what etra libs to download |
| 04:18.56 | Kowh | Doesn't the .toc tell you what you need? |
| 04:20.17 | Thraul | yeah that works too |
| 04:28.40 | Trucidare | Is .gitignore only useful for the repository managers? |
| 04:29.48 | tz | well that sucks, my DSL is down |
| 04:29.52 | tz | have to tether off my phone |
| 04:29.53 | tz | ugh |
| 04:31.03 | Kowh | Useful for any contributors too I suppose. Keeps temp files and other crap out of the repo. |
| 04:31.48 | Kowh | More useful for compiled stuff. Can keep a build dir locally that doesn't get uploaded to the repo. |
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| 06:07.40 | Thraul | sweet just been through all the addons i use and only have about half a dozen that don't have a public repository listed....time to find addons to replace them or hope i can find a repository somewhere lol |
| 06:13.57 | Torhal | Thraul: ? |
| 06:14.43 | Thraul | when i search for some of the addons on wowace or curseforce the addons are listed but under the repository tab the is no repository listed so cannot check them out |
| 06:15.03 | Torhal | I'm just not understanding why that's a stipulation for use...:D |
| 06:16.22 | Thraul | i don't use windows thus cannot use curse client so trying make it easy for addon management instead of download zips extracting and such. With repos I can just checkout and done |
| 06:20.18 | Brainling | hmm, anyone know the XML equiv to Texture:SetTexture(r, g, b, a) by chance? Not finding much on Google |
| 06:21.46 | Brainling | found it |
| 06:21.57 | Brainling | Color element under Texture |
| 06:22.51 | Trucidare | There's also <Backdrop> XML element as well |
| 06:23.34 | Brainling | in this case I'm just drawing a simple 1 pixel high line using a texture, but I'll take a look at Backdrop as well |
| 06:23.37 | Trucidare | which sub element has <Color> and <EdgeSize>, <BorderColor> |
| 06:23.56 | Trucidare | oh, it really only depends if you have a background file or not though |
| 06:25.24 | pompy | Thunder_Child: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-earthquakesa-earthquake-45-quake-strikes-near-castaic-calif-hbenzg-story.html feels? |
| 06:25.28 | Cairenn | Thraul: so use Minion instead - we support Mac & Linux |
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| 06:30.28 | Thraul | minion runs on linux and support curse addons? |
| 06:30.36 | Cairenn | No |
| 06:30.48 | Cairenn | Minion runs on linux and supports WoWInterface |
| 06:31.27 | Kaelten | Thraul: We're working on a OS X version for the Curse Client, but don't yet have plans for Linux at this point. |
| 06:31.48 | nebula169 | Kaelten: any eta on the new curse client? |
| 06:32.27 | Stanzilla | 2016 |
| 06:32.33 | Stanzilla | hides |
| 06:32.39 | Kaelten | Stanzilla :P |
| 06:32.54 | Thraul | I have tried running curse in wine but cause of the damn .net requirement it borked. I did manahe to couple together bash/curl/pythong scripts to download my addons from curse using a list in a text file of all my addons but that was getting a little painful to use and run |
| 06:32.59 | Kaelten | nebula169: no clear ETA yet, would hate to make more speculation and be proving wrong again. :( |
| 06:33.45 | nebula169 | it's ok, it's probably Torhal's fault anyway |
| 06:33.54 | Kaelten | seems legit |
| 06:34.35 | Kaelten | Thraul: yeah not supporting WPF has always been a mono/linux nightmare for trying to run the client. I'm hoping that the news this year from Microsoft and Xamirin will help make it all more feasible. |
| 06:34.36 | Stanzilla | I'd probably run straight into his fist if I ever make it to the US |
| 06:34.40 | Brainling | Thraul: It's not the .NET requirement that stops it from running in Wine, it's that it uses WPF (last time I checked) |
| 06:34.54 | Kaelten | Stanzilla: I'd almost pay to see that... <_< |
| 06:35.01 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 06:35.34 | Thraul | ok thanks for that clarification. I just know its broked running in wine always thought it was cause of .NET when trying to install |
| 06:35.53 | Stanzilla | "yo denny, there is someone ad the door for you" "who is it?" "that annoying guy from irc" "lemme get my boxing gloves" |
| 06:35.54 | Kaelten | those part of .net just aren't supported properly in wine. :( |
| 06:35.57 | Stanzilla | *at |
| 06:36.06 | Brainling | nah, it's the WPF...WPF rocks, probably the best UI framework I've ever coded to...but it's strickly windows only because of tight WDM driver ties |
| 06:36.39 | Thraul | what about using JAVA (cross platform) or someother language thats cross platform..... |
| 06:37.31 | A-KO|phone | Java needs to DIAG |
| 06:37.31 | Kaelten | Thraul: we've tried that in the past, and we're actually trying a variant of that now by using Xamirin tools. |
| 06:37.33 | A-KO|phone | DIAF |
| 06:37.57 | Brainling | C# is cross platform, it's that WPF isn't...but there is hope, Microsoft is open sourcing WPF, so in theory there should be Mac and Linux ports Some Day (tm) |
| 06:38.35 | Brainling | in theory it's just a matter of implementing System.Windows.Media and System.Windows.Media3D using OpenGL...but theory and practice and all that |
| 06:38.35 | Thraul | Microsoft or releasing something Open Source??? Who died?? lol |
| 06:38.46 | Stanzilla | it's the new Microsoft |
| 06:38.49 | Stanzilla | things are good |
| 06:38.58 | Brainling | lots of big time MS tech is open sourcen ow |
| 06:39.13 | Brainling | ASP.NET, Entity Framework, the C# compiler (Roslyn), soon the entire framework |
| 06:39.51 | Thraul | lets just hope they adhere or use GPL or someothere Open Source License and "follow the rules" |
| 06:40.24 | Kaelten | Thraul: they open sourced the C# compiler, and chunks of the .Net runtime this year. |
| 06:40.24 | Enma_Hinobara | doing something like { func_that_returns_a_list } would produce a normal indexed table, right? |
| 06:40.34 | Enma_Hinobara | Like { 1, 2, 3 } |
| 06:40.54 | Kaelten | New CEO is really changing the company |
| 06:43.56 | Thraul | only server sides have been open sourced. Client side (WPF etc) no plans to open source that yet.... |
| 06:44.18 | Kowh | Also the whole cloud thing. When everything's a web app, can't lock people into one OS. So MS is moving into middleware and such, and open source is a way of pulling people into that ecosystem. |
| 06:46.29 | Kowh | If you're running OS MS stuff, you're going to host it on Azure, right? And other things they tell themselves. |
| 06:50.03 | Neffi | Enma_Hinobara: as long as you actually call it |
| 06:50.40 | Neffi | > function r() return 'a' end; print( ({ r() })[1] ) |
| 06:50.56 | Neffi | wtf lua_bot_ |
| 06:51.36 | Simca | { func_that_returns_a_list() } -- basically |
| 06:51.41 | Stanzilla | >lua print"yo" |
| 06:51.46 | Stanzilla | le broken |
| 06:51.50 | Stanzilla | or was it |
| 06:51.53 | Stanzilla | lua> print"yo" |
| 06:51.53 | lua_bot_ | Stanzilla: yo |
| 06:51.56 | Stanzilla | seeee |
| 06:52.05 | Neffi | then why the fuck is it '>' in #lua? |
| 06:52.20 | Simca | because this isn't #lua and people |
| 06:52.22 | Simca | > love |
| 06:52.24 | Simca | > to talk like this |
| 06:52.27 | Stanzilla | probably because people might actually talk about other languages |
| 06:52.30 | Stanzilla | and in #lua not so much |
| 06:52.31 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 06:52.33 | Neffi | yeah, that's a problem in #lua too, Simca |
| 06:52.43 | Simca | lolol |
| 06:53.13 | Neffi | in fact the bot is all around inferior to the other bot in #lua, so it's been nothing but a nuisance |
| 06:54.29 | Enma_Hinobara | Is there an operator or function to get the union of two tables (for hash table type tables)? |
| 06:54.50 | Simca | not afaik |
| 06:55.05 | Neffi | no. you will either need to build it manually, or use inheritance via __index |
| 06:56.11 | Stanzilla | Kaelten: when is invite to private CC/Voice alpha? |
| 06:56.15 | Simca | function combinetables(t1, t2) for x, y in next, t1 do t2[x] = y end return t2 end |
| 06:56.22 | Simca | is probably as efficient as you could get |
| 07:00.52 | Enma_Hinobara | What does that next do? |
| 07:02.10 | Enma_Hinobara | I don't know enough Lua to understand what you wrote |
| 07:02.42 | Neffi | it's an iterator. the behavior is described here http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.4.5 |
| 07:03.23 | Neffi | I suggest you read the manual, and consider buying the book Programming in Lua 2nd edition (other editions are for other versions of Lua; WoW uses 5.1) |
| 07:03.47 | Neffi | the version for 5.0 is available online for free here http://www.lua.org/pil/ , but there are some discrepencies between it and 5.1 |
| 07:04.04 | Stanzilla | you can also pirate the boof, just /msg jnwhiteh for the PDF |
| 07:04.08 | Stanzilla | *book |
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| 07:09.22 | Enma_Hinobara | How local are local "globals" (outside of functions)? Are they local to the file, or local to the addon? |
| 07:11.34 | Brainling | define 'local global'? |
| 07:11.45 | Brainling | you mean a loose variable in the file without a local definiton? |
| 07:11.51 | Brainling | That's truly global |
| 07:12.01 | Brainling | all script in WoW are run in a single Lua context |
| 07:12.15 | Enma_Hinobara | A local variable outside a function |
| 07:12.19 | Brainling | if you mean 'local someVar = blah' in a file, that's local to the file |
| 07:12.28 | Enma_Hinobara | Okay |
| 07:12.53 | Enma_Hinobara | What will happen if you do table[something that doesn't exist in the table]? Will it return nil or throw an error? |
| 07:13.20 | Brainling | return nil...you can do checks like 'if not t[k] then' |
| 07:13.55 | Enma_Hinobara | Is there any way of distinguishing between a nonexistant key and a key with a value of nil? Or can you not even assign a nil value to a table? |
| 07:14.04 | Brainling | no there isn't |
| 07:14.09 | Brainling | and yes you can |
| 07:14.21 | Enma_Hinobara | I see |
| 07:14.22 | Brainling | assigning nil is effectively clearing the key |
| 07:24.40 | Neffi | Enma_Hinobara: read the manual or try things. we're not here to dictate the language specification to you bit by bit |
| 07:25.17 | Enma_Hinobara | I'm reading http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ and finding it's primarily useful for learning syntax, not semantics |
| 07:25.53 | Neffi | then you are not bothering to read it |
| 07:26.32 | Neffi | fire up a copy of Lua or go in game and try things that aren't 100% clear |
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| 08:20.29 | Semlar | reading is for nerds neffi |
| 08:36.22 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/adhd_shirt.jpg |
| 08:44.11 | karl_w_w | i dont understand why making the auctioneer at the outpost is so complicated |
| 08:44.23 | karl_w_w | it's only a slight bit of convenience |
| 08:48.03 | karl_w_w | also, when i open my bank and right click a reagent in my bags, why doesn't it automatically go into the reagent slots? |
| 08:48.10 | karl_w_w | blizzard please |
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| 09:25.13 | Semlar | i just autodeposit all reagents whenever i open my bank |
| 09:25.30 | Semlar | and by bank i mean jeeves |
| 09:25.43 | Semlar | ain't nobody got time to go to the bank |
| 09:26.03 | nevcairiel | on my non-engineers i build the bank garrison building, ashran is just so far away |
| 09:26.57 | Semlar | what's a non-engineer |
| 09:37.15 | karl_w_w | im a shaman so i can just glyph astral recall to to me to stormwind |
| 09:37.27 | karl_w_w | most useful thing |
| 09:37.40 | nebula169 | i have a storehouse on most of my toons, because fuck logging in every day on all of them to do garrison shit |
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| 09:38.02 | nevcairiel | even without a store house you can go 3 days |
| 09:38.12 | nebula169 | can't be bothered! |
| 09:54.38 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:57.35 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker |
| 09:57.39 | karl_w_w | tell me your secrets |
| 09:57.50 | Fisker | a |
| 09:59.31 | karl_w_w | Fisker, i think this rogue is going to cold blood that 1/4 windfury thing |
| 10:00.04 | karl_w_w | i had to wrath and coin hero power |
| 10:00.06 | karl_w_w | sad times |
| 10:01.56 | Fisker | sad |
| 10:02.43 | Fisker | the best thing is mirror entity when a druid like double innervates out a dr. boom |
| 10:02.56 | karl_w_w | psht, innervate is shit |
| 10:04.35 | karl_w_w | this rogue is not happy |
| 10:06.00 | karl_w_w | i think i just missed lethal |
| 10:06.21 | karl_w_w | no i didnt have the mana for it |
| 10:27.14 | karl_w_w | piloted sky golem just gave me rivendare |
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| 10:57.00 | karl_w_w | i think i just dont understand how hearthstone is meant to be played |
| 10:57.23 | karl_w_w | there must be some secret to always having the perfect cards for each situation |
| 11:19.23 | Fisker | yeah karl_w_w |
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| 11:19.34 | Fisker | Also the part where you can almost never get the card you need |
| 11:19.44 | Fisker | I had a game versus handlock and had eliminated all his threats |
| 11:19.55 | Fisker | through duplicate and echo I probably had like 6 or 7 sludge belchers in total |
| 11:20.01 | Fisker | had 2 on board and 2 in hand |
| 11:20.13 | Fisker | If I could've drawn KT there I would've been invincible basically |
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| 11:57.46 | Torhal | DIck move, nebula169. |
| 12:23.38 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 12:23.45 | Fisker | his name is not richard move |
| 12:27.19 | karl_w_w | i won Fisker |
| 12:27.26 | Fisker | good |
| 12:27.35 | karl_w_w | druid vs druid, i went first, passed first turn |
| 12:27.40 | karl_w_w | he played innervate |
| 12:27.43 | karl_w_w | and then conceded |
| 12:27.58 | karl_w_w | turn 1 pass too strong, fool shouldn't have messed with me |
| 12:36.37 | Fisker | nope |
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| 12:39.02 | Fisker | I wish I had a minion to play |
| 12:39.09 | Fisker | the KT/Loatheb play is too strong against handlock |
| 12:40.19 | Fisker | I'm doing the sickest yolo |
| 12:40.25 | Fisker | give me all the loathebs |
| 12:45.52 | Fisker | stupid roleplayers having ragnaros in handlock all of the sudden |
| 12:47.14 | karl_w_w | wankstain is a great insult |
| 12:47.49 | karl_w_w | also an awesome name https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/charles-wankstain/29/623/969 |
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| 13:06.26 | zenzelezz | "All the vulnerabilities in SSL these days is really putting the :/ in https://" |
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| 13:27.08 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: this is what i picked up just now: https://i.imgur.com/RyiDQEN.jpg |
| 13:27.17 | jleclanche | someone was giving it away |
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| 13:41.48 | karl_w_w | crazy |
| 13:41.55 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: https://mediacru.sh/z83_l6VflM2q |
| 13:58.12 | Funkeh` | tz, is this "Boss" addon one of yours? I don't see it anywhere |
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| 17:32.08 | karl_w_w | TIL I have 2 freckles on my left ear |
| 17:32.32 | Neffi | freckles are hot |
| 17:32.45 | Neffi | chicks must dig your ear |
| 17:33.01 | karl_w_w | I was wondering why passers-by kept nibbling it |
| 17:33.03 | karl_w_w | now I knpw |
| 17:33.05 | karl_w_w | know |
| 17:33.12 | Neffi | and knowing is half the battle |
| 17:48.06 | karl_w_w | VIad, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzlo8VrI294 |
| 17:48.19 | VIad | thanks karl |
| 17:49.09 | karl_w_w | such quick thanks, for all you know that's rick roll! |
| 17:50.52 | VIad | looks like a lot of work karl_w_w! |
| 17:56.19 | karl_w_w | at the start of final fantasy 13 there's a sound, not sure if it's a background sound or part of the music, but it sounds exactly like the charge sound in wow |
| 17:56.24 | karl_w_w | it's very distracting |
| 17:58.23 | Brainling | I picked up FF13 on Steam sale for like 10 bucks...and then realized it was 59 f'ing gigs |
| 17:58.26 | Brainling | 59! |
| 17:58.32 | Brainling | I have a pure SSD system, 59 gigs is c razy town for me |
| 17:59.38 | Gnarfoz | sounds like your pure ssd system is ill conceived if that's in problem territory |
| 18:00.06 | Brainling | or Square Enix is lazy and could make that 59 gigs 20 gigs if they compressed the FMV's' |
| 18:00.07 | Thunder_Child | Unless you spend $$$$ |
| 18:03.30 | karl_w_w | you'll also likely need to do a little tinkering to get it to run smoothly |
| 18:05.49 | VIad | wait... final fantasy 13 on pc? |
| 18:05.54 | VIad | the ps3 one? |
| 18:06.05 | karl_w_w | you could probably just symlink the FMVs to wherever your storage is |
| 18:06.10 | karl_w_w | yes VIad |
| 18:06.21 | VIad | so cheap?! |
| 18:06.25 | karl_w_w | it was $8 at one point during the sale |
| 18:06.29 | VIad | LOL |
| 18:06.58 | karl_w_w | it's $16 regular price |
| 18:07.24 | karl_w_w | it's 1080p though some textures are 720p |
| 18:07.24 | Brainling | Yeah, I grabbed it at 8 |
| 18:07.42 | karl_w_w | and 60fps, if you work it out to be |
| 18:07.59 | VIad | as long its constant 60fps I dont mind :p |
| 18:08.05 | Brainling | hmmm, never thought of putting the FMV's on my NAS and just creating a junction to the NFS point |
| 18:08.07 | VIad | probably using motion blur to make it look nicer |
| 18:09.23 | karl_w_w | I haven't seen any significant motion blur |
| 18:10.50 | VIad | I was surprised because I never expected them to really port it to PC at all |
| 18:11.55 | karl_w_w | xiii-2 is ported as well |
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| 18:14.37 | VIad | 50gb not bad |
| 18:14.43 | VIad | max payne 3 is 50gb as well :P |
| 18:15.01 | VIad | wolfenstein nearly 50gb |
| 18:15.06 | VIad | ac unity nearly 50gb |
| 18:15.11 | VIad | I guess 50gb is the new 10gb |
| 18:15.42 | Elkano | ac unity patch is nearly 50gb du to broken patcher, too ;) |
| 18:16.07 | VIad | awesome |
| 18:16.21 | VIad | even via steam? |
| 18:16.41 | Elkano | no idea, but iirc for PS4 at least |
| 18:16.45 | VIad | aha |
| 18:17.00 | Elkano | and only if you had the patch before that or something |
| 18:17.05 | Elkano | still nice screw up |
| 18:17.38 | jleclanche | ahaha http://billglover.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Screenshot-2015-01-04-16.55.36.png |
| 18:17.58 | Neffi | it's a conspiracy. game devs are teaming up with storage manufacturers in an evil ploy to deplete the worlds resources by selling more and more drives |
| 18:18.32 | Simca | jleclanche: 3.95 GB? |
| 18:18.36 | karl_w_w | yeah, if you examine the files you will see that it's all just 1s and 0s! |
| 18:18.58 | Fisker | A internet? |
| 18:19.20 | Simca | storage drive companies are lame for cutting warranties recently |
| 18:19.51 | Simca | they started to realize a lot of drives fail past 2 years, so they could make bigger profits by cutting their 3 year warranties to 2 years |
| 18:19.56 | Fisker | Well since we don't want to buy them because they're not dropping prices what else should they do? |
| 18:20.50 | VIad | why do they fail? |
| 18:20.53 | VIad | isnt that concerning |
| 18:22.04 | Simca | just wear. high or even moderate use drives can have up to like a 10-15% failure rate by year 3 |
| 18:22.27 | Simca | drops by like 2/3rds if you move the warranty back a year to year 2, so they did |
| 18:22.47 | Brainling | if you think about it, it's surprising hard drives even last that long...you're spinning a multi layered metal plater at 5400-10000 RPM's with small metal heads gliding just over the top of it |
| 18:23.12 | Neffi | yeah, it is kind of fucking mind-blowing that it works outside of a lab to begin with |
| 18:23.34 | Neffi | also aren't the platters usually ceramic? |
| 18:23.48 | Dagmar | Not anymore |
| 18:23.52 | Brainling | not anymore, yeah |
| 18:23.56 | Brainling | they are alloys now I believe |
| 18:23.59 | Dagmar | ...and the heads never ever actually touch the drive. |
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| 18:24.13 | Brainling | right, they just glide the width of a human hair over the top of it |
| 18:24.14 | Neffi | well obviously |
| 18:24.25 | Dagmar | They are basically designed to float just over the platters due to the bernoulli effect |
| 18:24.29 | karl_w_w | this camera seems so zoomed in all the time |
| 18:24.36 | Dagmar | It's less than the thickness of a hair |
| 18:25.18 | Brainling | the point remains, it's amazing the tech ever worked |
| 18:25.42 | Neffi | I guess it's a testament to careful engineering |
| 18:26.52 | Brainling | SSD's, even from a conceptual point of view, make a lot more sense for data storage...just took us a bit to get here |
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| 18:45.01 | jleclanche | foxlit: master plan does not seem to know about the dancer trait, when looking at the danger zone ability |
| 18:45.18 | jleclanche | foxlit: at least in tooltips (cant test in the actual group building function yet) |
| 18:45.19 | foxlit | that is intentional. |
| 18:45.24 | jleclanche | alright |
| 18:45.55 | foxlit | it's just an extra buff that only works if you have an uncountered danger zones threat; not actually a full counter. |
| 18:46.00 | Kowh | Re: HD failures, they call it the "bathtub curve" |
| 18:46.04 | jleclanche | ah |
| 18:46.23 | Neffi | LANA |
| 18:46.26 | Kowh | Lots of failures at the start, then few for a couple years, then a lot again after 3 years |
| 18:46.30 | Neffi | LANAAAAAAAAAA... danger zone |
| 18:46.49 | Ressy | my cav blacks lasted 6 years. just failed over the summer |
| 18:47.59 | Ressy | got a new cav black & a ssd to replace'em |
| 18:48.57 | Neffi | using ssd for boot drive, programs? |
| 18:49.08 | Brainling | So I've been using Atom for a month, and I still wish I was just using Sublime...a month seems like a pretty fair shake right? |
| 18:49.11 | Neffi | if the hdd is only for slow storage, why not get a green instead? |
| 18:49.54 | Brainling | I use red's in my NAS...I took all the spindle drives out of my actual case...so nice having the entire system load fast |
| 18:50.03 | Ressy | ssd for boot, wow & d3. |
| 18:50.07 | Ressy | other games are on my cav black |
| 18:50.11 | Neffi | ah, I see |
| 18:50.26 | Kowh | If you want longer life you can buy enterprise grade HDs, but the increase in reliability isn't quite worth the premium. |
| 18:51.15 | Neffi | if you're afraid of failure, you should probably have backup and/or redundancy anyway |
| 18:51.36 | Neffi | even the most reliable drive can decide to catch fire the first day you have it |
| 18:51.55 | Brainling | basically, yeah...everything that matters (pictures, financial records, music that isn't in the cloud), I have backed up offstie |
| 18:51.56 | Kowh | Should always have a backup |
| 18:51.58 | Brainling | *offsite |
| 18:52.11 | Kowh | Redundancy is only to minimize downtime, it's not a backup. |
| 18:53.19 | Kowh | If nothing else, grab Backblaze. |
| 18:53.22 | Brainling | funny thing, it was having my daughter that made me finally realize how important a back up was...the thought of losing all her baby and milestone pictures, scary |
| 18:53.57 | Ressy | yeah.. you don't want that.. I lost a bunch of my son's.. luckily I was able to recover most |
| 18:54.18 | fewyn | i use file history on windows and also upload everything in my documents folder to cloud storage accounts on several providers |
| 18:55.04 | Brainling | my entire user profile I have synced to OneDrive, but I also have really important things backed up to Carbonite. The issue with cloud providers is that they aren't backup providers, and they don't offer the same SLA's |
| 18:55.09 | Ressy | was very thankful for all those pictures I posted to my locked down facebook account.. grabbed an album downloader addon for firefox, and just downloaded everything. |
| 18:55.15 | Kowh | Also, I highly recommend http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 18:55.33 | Kowh | If you ever have to recover stuff off busted drives, SD cards, etc. |
| 18:55.49 | Brainling | except SSD's...SSD's that have TRIM on are basically unrecoverable |
| 18:55.56 | Kowh | Ignores the meta stuff and looks at the raw data, recognizes photos etc. and recovers them. |
| 18:57.27 | Kowh | Backblaze is nice in that you don't have to configure it, comes with a bunch of standard filters that ignores OS/temp files, and grabs everything else. |
| 18:57.41 | Kowh | So it'll backup even stuff you might forget to backup. |
| 18:57.49 | Ressy | Using backblaze now. |
| 18:57.56 | Ressy | love it. |
| 18:59.50 | Brainling | ah Sublime, how I've missed thee. Like a warm blanket |
| 19:01.14 | Kowh | Ah, text editors. Once you learn vim, you don't really feel the need to pay attention to the others. :D |
| 19:01.49 | Brainling | I know VIM, I hate it. I actively, with a deep passion, hate it. I'm one of THOSE people :D |
| 19:02.03 | Kowh | Emacs user? |
| 19:02.14 | Brainling | Emacs and/or Nano for super fast console stuff |
| 19:02.40 | Brainling | on Windows I use Sublime for most things |
| 19:02.40 | Kowh | I can't stand Emacs, but really it's just as good. |
| 19:02.46 | Kowh | gvim. :D |
| 19:02.50 | Brainling | Windows and Mac I should say, I use Sublime |
| 19:02.57 | Kowh | macvim |
| 19:02.59 | Brainling | hehe |
| 19:03.02 | Brainling | I'm sensing a theme |
| 19:03.43 | Brainling | the USB key I keep on my keys actually has portable, fully configured, version of Sublime for Mac and Windows on it, just incase I ever have to work on some heathen machine with only Notepad or some crud |
| 19:03.55 | Kowh | I've got mine setup to autolint, and it does syntax out of the box, so it's nice. |
| 19:05.02 | Kowh | But I admit learning vim is a bit of a first step. |
| 19:05.11 | karl_w_w | dammit, no wonder my PC's a touch louder than I expected, my fans are at 100% all the time |
| 19:05.29 | Brainling | fan controller doing funny things? Or is your case actually that hot? |
| 19:05.31 | karl_w_w | really can't be fucked going to my bios right now to work out why |
| 19:05.38 | karl_w_w | nah nothing is hot at all |
| 19:05.51 | Brainling | are you using your motherboard for fan control? |
| 19:05.54 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 19:05.59 | Brainling | download speed fan |
| 19:06.02 | Brainling | you can adjust them from there |
| 19:06.16 | karl_w_w | i dont trust third party tools like that :P |
| 19:06.27 | Brainling | Speed fan is totally safe, I've used it for years...but I understand |
| 19:09.37 | karl_w_w | i guess now is as good a time as any for a restart, not many browser tabs open :P |
| 19:10.01 | karl_w_w | see if i can remember how to actually access my bios |
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| 19:37.59 | Seerah | Kraps or Krapsy: lookit! https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153043009632160 |
| 19:38.57 | Seerah | there are a few other kinds in the comments |
| 19:39.55 | Kraps | haha nive |
| 19:39.57 | Kraps | nice |
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| 20:02.57 | karl_w_w | oh boy, relative silence |
| 20:06.26 | Kowh | Time to do some 3d rendering? |
| 20:07.22 | karl_w_w | I have no 3Ds to render |
| 20:09.10 | Kowh | Some sort of multithreaded raytracer should do the trick. Just download some scene and render it, that'll get the fans back up to 100%. :) |
| 20:10.22 | karl_w_w | or i could just play wow |
| 20:10.58 | karl_w_w | probably the most taxing thing I have done lately |
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| 20:18.50 | karl_w_w | I've set up an ingenious system where the front intake fan runs at full (with the low noise adapter) all the time, but the rear fan is controlled by temperate |
| 20:18.59 | karl_w_w | temperature |
| 20:19.32 | karl_w_w | so when the PC is relatively idle I have positive air pressure so less dust accumulates |
| 20:19.45 | karl_w_w | but when temperatures rise airflow improves |
| 20:19.51 | karl_w_w | I'm quite proud of myself |
| 20:23.59 | Kowh | I have filters on my intake fans |
| 20:24.17 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 20:24.54 | karl_w_w | but if you have less output than intake, air will be drawn in through the cracks |
| 20:25.12 | mikma | http://explosm.net/rcg/MeekSteelElbow |
| 20:25.25 | Kowh | Don't you mean more output than intake? |
| 20:25.46 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 20:26.32 | Kowh | In my case the intakes are 3 huge fans, so while I haven't tested I'm pretty sure they're pushing more than my output fans. |
| 20:34.54 | karl_w_w | steam seems to be embracing japanese things lately |
| 20:35.39 | Brainling | what else is left? hehe |
| 20:36.15 | Brainling | They've taken over everything else in PC gaming short of EA's games for obvious reasons, might as well put strange japanese things up there too...especially since Japan is becoming a PC gaming country, from what I've read |
| 20:37.02 | zenzelezz | it's like systemd; they want to embrace everything |
| 20:37.23 | karl_w_w | embraces zenzelezz |
| 20:37.57 | Brainling | my steam library is depressingly large... |
| 20:43.00 | Thunder_Child | I doubt it. |
| 20:43.42 | Thunder_Child | The only thing depressing about a large steam library is the ratio of played to unplayed games. |
| 20:44.11 | zenzelezz | I both agree and disagree |
| 20:44.22 | zenzelezz | for all the crap games that just came in bundles, I don't care |
| 20:44.55 | Thunder_Child | That should be a fairly small percent. |
| 20:46.10 | Fisker | I agree Thunder_Child |
| 20:51.48 | Brainling | I don't have a lot of bundle fodder in mine, but I do have a ton of (really good) games I see in the list and go "God, I forgot I had that...I've never even installed it"...mostly steam sale stuff I got at some absurd price |
| 20:55.16 | karl_w_w | yeah I know that feeling |
| 20:55.59 | karl_w_w | mostly I'm super excited to play them when I buy them, but I don't have the time that day |
| 20:56.12 | karl_w_w | and by the next day the urge is gone |
| 21:08.54 | Neffi | great wallpaper or greatest wallpaper? http://i.imgur.com/FN1KJJp.jpg |
| 21:10.41 | Thunder_Child | Neither. |
| 21:11.20 | Neffi | have you not accepted the gaben as your lord and savior, Thunder_Child? |
| 21:12.09 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: I have accepted 'the gaben' as the destitution of my wallet. Thats about it. |
| 21:12.18 | Neffi | ha |
| 21:17.10 | Brainling | Gaben has me twice, not only do I buy games like woh on Steam, I play a lot of Dota 2 and buy stuff in that :/ |
| 21:17.35 | mikma | to the steam, to the pc, to the wallet. gaben. |
| 21:22.19 | karl_w_w | gaben in all things |
| 21:24.23 | Dagmar | If they added cards for Gnomoria I would be a jillionaire right now |
| 21:28.54 | Thunder_Child | I think I spent less time playing that game than it took to download it. |
| 21:29.27 | Dagmar | I'm at year 4 in my latest colony. |
| 21:30.01 | Dagmar | They added prosthetic limbs, so of course some of my gnomes obligingly lost some limbs and are gimping around waiting on the tinker to invent them. |
| 21:30.19 | Dagmar | I'm not asking about how the armless gnome is doing _anything_. |
| 21:30.37 | Thunder_Child | Telekenesis. |
| 21:30.45 | Dagmar | ...aside from possibly cursing me over poor uniform selection. |
| 21:33.32 | Dagmar | I miss mining goblinite. |
| 21:38.19 | Industrial | I have tried a few addons (not really addons) that change sounds in the game to suppress the fizzle sound you get when you try to cast a spell but it's not usable due ti GCD or other things. |
| 21:38.31 | Industrial | None of these seem to work. This is no longer possible? |
| 21:39.49 | Semlar | you can still replace sounds |
| 21:40.15 | Semlar | where is it trying to put the files |
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| 21:48.57 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.44 | Thunder_Child | The dates seem a bit off. |
| 21:53.37 | foxlit | I'm kind of surprised it isn't significantly worse than this. |
| 22:06.10 | znf | Semlar, you can? because they kind of took that away in 6.0? |
| 22:06.30 | Semlar | yes, you can |
| 22:06.32 | znf | sound replacing (the old way) doesn't seem to be working anymore |
| 22:06.51 | Semlar | i replaced the god awful pinging sound from the premade finder |
| 22:07.02 | znf | how? O.o |
| 22:07.12 | znf | all my old replacements don't work |
| 22:07.20 | foxlit | iirc the change was that Sound\ is the new Data\Sound |
| 22:07.28 | znf | I think I tried that, too |
| 22:07.35 | Semlar | i just added an empty file called UI_GroupFinderReceiveApplication_01.ogg under world of warcraft\sound\interface\ |
| 22:07.47 | znf | :-/ |
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| 22:52.11 | Simca | world of warcraft's virtual filesystem is based in the root folder now instead of the data folder |
| 22:52.20 | Simca | so yeah |
| 22:52.34 | tz | mmm, I've been meaning to write one of those |
| 22:52.46 | Fisker | Does that mean you can hack the world then Simca? |
| 22:53.15 | Simca | probably not? |
| 22:53.26 | Simca | depends on meaning of 'hack the world' |
| 22:53.47 | Simca | but they md5 everything, even the md5s of the md5s |
| 22:53.48 | Neffi | hack the planet, fisker |
| 22:54.01 | Neffi | oh man I'm gonna download that movie again |
| 22:54.07 | Semlar | i didn't even use a valid sound file, i just made an empty file with the same name, which i don't think used to work |
| 22:54.11 | Simca | and while you could cause a collision to get a file in, you couldn't cause a collision of the file that holds the md5s of the md5s |
| 22:54.26 | Simca | sound files are ignored |
| 22:54.38 | Simca | (when checking if they are secure) |
| 22:57.49 | Trucidare | tom_rus has found most of the file locations |
| 22:58.07 | Trucidare | he has a CASC tool |
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| 23:19.18 | Enma_Hinobara | Hmm. Event handlers must be global functions and not members of a table? |
| 23:20.02 | Enma_Hinobara | Hmm that really doesn't make sense |
| 23:20.19 | Neffi | not at all |
| 23:20.37 | Enma_Hinobara | I've got my frame, with an OnLoad defined in the XML file. It calls addon:OnLoad() |
| 23:20.41 | Neffi | Event handlers can be any function. What is your actual problem? |
| 23:20.57 | Enma_Hinobara | addon:OnLoad is defined in Lua, and the Lua file is prior to the XML in the TOC |
| 23:21.14 | Enma_Hinobara | ("addon" isn't the real name, in case anybody was wondering) |
| 23:21.36 | Enma_Hinobara | It's throwing an error saying that addon:OnLoad is nil |
| 23:22.19 | Enma_Hinobara | Rather, that addon is nil |
| 23:22.41 | Trucidare | you need to register an event (for example OnLoad) for your addon and point it to the function code you want to run for that event |
| 23:23.19 | Enma_Hinobara | the fact that this is in an <OnLoad> already does that, yes? |
| 23:23.33 | Enma_Hinobara | It was working before I changed from global functions to member functions |
| 23:23.50 | Trucidare | <OnLoad> is for when a specific frame/button loads |
| 23:24.05 | Brainling | Are you calling it as a member function now? If it was like SuchAndSuch_OnLoad before, you'll need to call it as SuchAndSuch:OnLoad now |
| 23:24.17 | Brainling | oh I see |
| 23:24.19 | Brainling | sorry, reading back |
| 23:24.21 | Enma_Hinobara | I am calling it as addon:OnLoad |
| 23:24.23 | Enma_Hinobara | () |
| 23:25.12 | Brainling | so you have an XML file, which I assume loads your Lua script using <Script file=""> at the top, and in that Lua file you define a global table called Whatever, and then give it a function Whatever:OnLoad, and it's saying Whatever is nil? |
| 23:25.48 | Enma_Hinobara | <Script file="RaidSkill.lua"/> |
| 23:25.48 | Enma_Hinobara | <Frame name="RaidSkillFrame"> |
| 23:25.48 | Enma_Hinobara | <Scripts> |
| 23:25.48 | Enma_Hinobara | <OnLoad> |
| 23:25.48 | Enma_Hinobara | RaidSkill:OnLoad(); |
| 23:25.48 | Enma_Hinobara | </OnLoad> |
| 23:26.04 | Enma_Hinobara | RaidSkill = { } |
| 23:26.04 | Enma_Hinobara | function RaidSkill:OnLoad() |
| 23:26.44 | Enma_Hinobara | The TOC: |
| 23:26.45 | Enma_Hinobara | RaidSkill.lua |
| 23:26.45 | Enma_Hinobara | MessageParser.lua |
| 23:26.45 | Enma_Hinobara | SkillData.lua |
| 23:26.45 | Enma_Hinobara | RaidSkill.xml |
| 23:29.30 | Enma_Hinobara | Do you need to do anything explicit to define global variables? |
| 23:29.40 | Enma_Hinobara | Maybe I'm not declaring it right |
| 23:30.47 | Enma_Hinobara | Oh crap, that was dumb |
| 23:30.55 | Enma_Hinobara | Found the real error a few errors back |
| 23:31.06 | foxlit | parse error on line 7i, clearly. |
| 23:33.36 | foxlit | (also, you're running raidskill.lua twice; don't do that.) |
| 23:35.35 | Enma_Hinobara | Hmm, I see |
| 23:35.55 | Enma_Hinobara | That would probably explain the new error I'm getting. Thanks for preemptively solving that :P |
| 23:36.39 | Enma_Hinobara | Do you have to have a Script entry if you already list to file in the TOC? |
| 23:36.50 | Enma_Hinobara | *the |
| 23:37.06 | Enma_Hinobara | Rephrased: can you not have a Script entry? |
| 23:37.18 | foxlit | right, it's not actually a toc. |
| 23:38.55 | Enma_Hinobara | Yay working again. Thx |
| 23:39.27 | foxlit | rather, it's a list of metadata fields intermixed with a list of files to load; including a file name will cause wow to load that file; you don't have to include a toc entry when including a file through <Script file=""/> or <Include file=""/> |
| 23:40.12 | Enma_Hinobara | Are Script/Include entries executed in order, e.g. they are a substitute for the TOC? |
| 23:40.47 | foxlit | yes. |
| 23:41.11 | foxlit | it's basically "go load that file as soon as you parse this tag" |
| 23:42.16 | Torhal | Ugh. XML. |
| 23:43.19 | foxlit | here, have some delicious Lua, Torhal: http://pastebin.com/AU3xAkBh |
| 23:43.40 | Enma_Hinobara | Is it just me, or is Lua like a super ghetto version of Perl? |
| 23:43.51 | Shirik | Enma_Hinobara: it's just you |
| 23:44.12 | Shirik | It's a non-shitty version of perl, though. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the definition of "ghetto"? |
| 23:44.33 | Enma_Hinobara | It's just so inferior in most of the ways it's similar to Perl |
| 23:45.00 | Shirik | In the number of symbols it uses? |
| 23:45.06 | Shirik | In its unreadability? |
| 23:45.21 | Shirik | Yes, much more inferior |
| 23:45.21 | Enma_Hinobara | List and hash processing |
| 23:45.40 | Enma_Hinobara | Its particular brand of OOP |
| 23:45.47 | Shirik | Lua does not have OOP |
| 23:45.51 | Enma_Hinobara | Patterns |
| 23:45.57 | Shirik | Perl does not have patterns |
| 23:46.10 | Enma_Hinobara | Patterns are a ghetto version of regex |
| 23:46.14 | Shirik | No they are not |
| 23:46.26 | Shirik | Look, let me put it this way |
| 23:46.33 | Shirik | You clearly have been using Lua for about 5 minutes so far |
| 23:46.38 | Shirik | You obviously do not understand the design choices |
| 23:46.40 | Enma_Hinobara | Both Perl and Lua don't really have OOP, but they have ways of achieving it that are commonly used |
| 23:46.44 | Shirik | Either decide to learn about them, or shut the fuck up |
| 23:46.51 | Shirik | They're different languages, and they both have their merits |
| 23:47.05 | Shirik | But you're comparing things that are inherently uncomparable |
| 23:47.08 | Enma_Hinobara | Okay. Can you tell me the merits of patterns over regex? |
| 23:47.11 | Shirik | Speed |
| 23:47.25 | Shirik | Regular expressions are insanely slow |
| 23:47.31 | Shirik | Lua does not have regular expressions |
| 23:47.59 | Enma_Hinobara | Patterns are a subset of regex, correct? and that subset runs at the same speed using both patterns and regexes, correct? |
| 23:48.10 | Shirik | No |
| 23:48.17 | Shirik | And this proves to me that you don't know what you're talking about |
| 23:48.37 | Shirik | Coming into a new language and instantly complaining about it simply indicates how much you don't know. To think that you have the hubris to think that you know more than the language designers is quite impressive to me. |
| 23:49.11 | Dagmar | Unless it's PHP and then you're just wasting your time because everyone already knows it's a bad language |
| 23:50.08 | Shirik | there's actually a name for this psychological phenomenon |
| 23:50.24 | Dagmar | "PHP-is-shite-itis" |
| 23:50.28 | Shirik | It's known as the Dunning-Kruger effect |
| 23:50.41 | Shirik | (not regarding the PHP comment :P) |
| 23:50.50 | Trucidare | aka superiority complex? |
| 23:51.04 | Shirik | I believe the superiority complex is different |
| 23:51.26 | Shirik | Dunning-Kruger is where you believe that you are competent in a particular subject because there is just so much that you don't know that you don't know what you don't know |
| 23:51.32 | Enma_Hinobara | Okay then. Can you point me to the justification of how patterns are implemented and how they are distinctly different than regexes? |
| 23:51.45 | Shirik | There is an entire book on it |
| 23:51.49 | Shirik | go read programming in lua |
| 23:52.37 | Enma_Hinobara | I've read http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html and based my statements on that |
| 23:52.44 | Enma_Hinobara | Is there a section of rationale? |
| 23:53.24 | Gethe | 20.1: The main reason for this is size: A typical implementation of POSIX regexp takes more than 4,000 lines of code. This is bigger than all Lua standard libraries together. In comparison, the implementation of pattern matching in Lua has less than 500 lines. |
| 23:54.11 | Enma_Hinobara | Theeeere we go. I already knew that - that Lua was designed to be small and simple. But that doesn't mean it's not a ghetto version of a more complicated and larger language |
| 23:54.29 | Enma_Hinobara | And that says nothing that patterns are not a subset of regex |
| 23:54.56 | Shirik | there was a presentation back in 2007 or so regarding Lua's patterns and why they are so much better |
| 23:55.06 | Shirik | and that if you really need more power, PEG is the correct answer, not regex |
| 23:55.07 | Enma_Hinobara | I'd be interested to read that |
| 23:55.31 | Shirik | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2008-08/msg00129.html |
| 23:55.34 | Shirik | it has benchmarks |
| 23:55.38 | Enma_Hinobara | Especially since I've seen exactly one thing you can do in patterns that you can't do in regex |
| 23:55.49 | Enma_Hinobara | And that's tests for balance in expression |
| 23:56.00 | Enma_Hinobara | And many many things in regex you can't do in patterns |
| 23:56.03 | Shirik | that's because it's impossible with regular expressions |
| 23:56.06 | Neffi | Enma_Hinobara: what the fuck are you getting on about? patterns are not regex. stop complaining |
| 23:56.20 | Shirik | in fact, PCRE is also not a regular expression |
| 23:56.22 | Shirik | they just call it that |
| 23:56.50 | Shirik | there are a lot of things that you can do with perl's "regular expressions" that you actually cannot do with regular expressions |
| 23:57.11 | Shirik | but the very fact that Lua has patterns, not regular expressions, is why it can do certain things like checking for parenthesis balance |
| 23:57.24 | Neffi | Patterns provide a pretty good string manipulation facility that's fast and small. It's not regex. It doesn't try to be. Moreover, Lua is not that Perl-like. And it doesn't try to be. |
| 23:57.35 | Shirik | Not to mention, on top of all of this |
| 23:57.43 | Shirik | String manipulation is very evil in Lua |
| 23:57.56 | Shirik | if you are doing string manipulation you are very likely doing something horribly wrong |
| 23:58.05 | Shirik | it is extremely expensive |
| 23:58.33 | Shirik | string comparisons, on the other hand, are faster than number comparisons |
| 23:58.56 | Enma_Hinobara | Faster than number comparison?? Does Lua pre-hash strings, or what? |
| 23:59.13 | Shirik | and we return to "please understand the finer details of Lua before you try to complain about it" |
| 23:59.27 | Shirik | all strings are interned. Comparison is a pointer comparison |
| 23:59.33 | Enma_Hinobara | Aha |
