| 00:04.59 | Sharparam | my bodyguard managed to die when i had my addon monitoring its health |
| 00:05.07 | Sharparam | i blame the overpowered nagrand wolves doing too much damage... |
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| 00:37.05 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:43.07 | Simca | nice |
| 00:43.35 | Simca | for missions where the exact expiration is not known do you just take min and max and divide by 2 and then subtract from end time? |
| 00:43.38 | Simca | or do you use the max |
| 00:50.19 | foxlit | in situations when this matters, it displays a range. |
| 00:54.41 | foxlit | (but otherwise, it likes to err on the side of saying you have no time left.) |
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| 01:18.49 | karl_w_w | is windows the only OS that uses kilobyte = 1024 bytes, etc? |
| 01:20.43 | Neffi_ | you mean the only one that still calls it by the wrong name? i think so |
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| 02:24.23 | tz | oooo bigwigs voice |
| 02:25.40 | tz | ahh proof of concept to show how "complex" it is for the VEM guys to do shit |
| 02:25.42 | tz | righto then |
| 02:33.26 | Thunder_Child | Why do you get a garrison minimap button before you get a garrison? |
| 02:33.41 | fewyn | because blizzard is bad |
| 02:39.46 | nebula169 | show long before? i don't see it on any of the toons i have without a garrison |
| 02:41.41 | nebula169 | how* |
| 03:02.30 | Thunder_Child | I saw it at 58 |
| 03:02.36 | Thunder_Child | 48* |
| 03:03.04 | Thunder_Child | Could be an addon forcing it to show I suppose. |
| 03:03.42 | nebula169 | what i assumed |
| 03:03.46 | nebula169 | i know broker_garrison force loads GarrisonUI |
| 03:17.49 | fewyn | figuring out what i want to give in my guild secret santa is hard |
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| 05:23.58 | bluipodcow | Hmmmm |
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| 07:36.57 | Fisker | also foxlit |
| 07:37.03 | Fisker | ilevel 655 max confirmed |
| 07:37.25 | Fisker | But I think your addon still allows me to consume one if I upgrade to 655 and still have the upgrade menu up? |
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| 08:27.19 | Stanzilla | it should fail with "target too weak" |
| 08:27.27 | Stanzilla | atleast from what I heard |
| 08:27.37 | Stanzilla | or strong, whaever |
| 08:40.40 | Simca | there would be no point beyond ilvl 655, i'm glad blizzard was smart enough to cap it |
| 08:41.02 | Simca | you will get a +10 ilvl 'overleveled' advantage on ilvl 645 missions at 655 |
| 08:41.16 | Simca | but that advantage caps at +10 |
| 08:41.23 | Simca | so 656 would be useless |
| 08:42.16 | Simca | um, wat |
| 08:42.44 | Simca | I just got a level 1 salvage bag. |
| 08:43.05 | Stanzilla | yeah they changed that |
| 08:43.05 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/wXDiUeE.jpg |
| 08:43.15 | Stanzilla | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/352569-bag-of-salvaged-goods/ |
| 08:44.07 | nevcairiel | so thats why i received so many crates this morning, and i thought i was just lucky |
| 08:44.43 | nevcairiel | also, mission success now does matter for salvage :P |
| 08:45.00 | Stanzilla | makes SY even more mandatory |
| 08:45.19 | Simca | meh it was always mandatory |
| 08:45.28 | Simca | I don't see how this makes it more or less so |
| 08:45.49 | nevcairiel | man my reagent bank is almost full, too much stuff <.< |
| 08:45.50 | karl_w_w | I'll mandatory you if you're not careful |
| 08:46.05 | karl_w_w | reagents in bank = money wasted |
| 09:24.29 | karl_w_w | okay, 92% chance on my cache of highmaul treasures mission |
| 09:24.38 | karl_w_w | if i fail this I'm blaming nevcairiel |
| 09:24.47 | nevcairiel | ok |
| 09:24.54 | nevcairiel | I'll actively sabotage them |
| 09:26.43 | Stanzilla | blizzard stole me 2 mounts again |
| 09:26.44 | Stanzilla | :< |
| 09:26.45 | Mr_Rabies | i somehow got a 50/50 chance |
| 09:26.53 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 09:26.53 | Stanzilla | argent warhorse/charger disappeared from my journal |
| 09:27.07 | Mr_Rabies | somehow succeeded in a 52% chance mission for my highmaul cache |
| 09:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | seems that usually anything below 70% might as well be 0% |
| 09:27.29 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: you're not worthy |
| 09:27.34 | Stanzilla | your mom is |
| 09:27.41 | nevcairiel | yes, she is worthy |
| 09:27.46 | nevcairiel | but you are not |
| 09:28.47 | Stanzilla | =)( |
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| 09:44.00 | mikma | nevcairiel: http://media.tumblr.com/feed65b73882bd412903dcc3f83e2cd4/tumblr_inline_mp077mEkk11qz4rgp.gif |
| 09:46.10 | karl_w_w | only 3 missions :( |
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| 09:57.07 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 09:57.11 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 09:57.14 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 09:57.51 | Fisker | oh nice |
| 09:57.55 | Fisker | that's why I actually got salvage today |
| 09:58.23 | Fisker | also the lower level salvage bags have given the most upgrades to me |
| 09:58.25 | Fisker | :D |
| 09:58.35 | Fisker | got my first 645 mission though |
| 09:58.39 | Fisker | 71% chance :( |
| 09:58.39 | Simca | not level 1 |
| 09:59.05 | Fisker | oh? |
| 09:59.49 | mikma | i kinda dislike that the big crates still contain stuff ilvl50 |
| 10:00.02 | mikma | doesn't feel that rewarding to me |
| 10:00.16 | Fisker | yeah |
| 10:00.19 | Fisker | Pretty annoying |
| 10:00.29 | Stanzilla | transmog reasons |
| 10:00.35 | Xuerian | dolla dolla |
| 10:00.39 | Fisker | they should also severely rebalance warmill |
| 10:00.50 | Fisker | they said transmog items would be rare though Stanzilla |
| 10:01.02 | Xuerian | transmog items? |
| 10:01.12 | Xuerian | We're talking about old greens people like |
| 10:01.20 | Stanzilla | ^ |
| 10:01.27 | Xuerian | You're not going to tell me that they manually went back and dropped the rate on specific greens |
| 10:01.54 | Xuerian | the ones that sell for 5-40k |
| 10:02.40 | Stanzilla | you get random shit but those are among them |
| 10:02.44 | Stanzilla | the pool is not restricted though |
| 10:02.46 | Stanzilla | it's everything |
| 10:02.55 | Xuerian | Yeah. |
| 10:03.01 | nevcairiel | they explained the drop rates of the crates a bit back though, just because you get some low level green stuff doesnt mean it took the place of a follower item for example |
| 10:03.07 | nevcairiel | those are on a separate loot roll |
| 10:03.37 | Xuerian | This right here^. Same thing as people complaining about personal loot feeling like less loot |
| 10:04.34 | mikma | i'd rather have some expensive grey poop from the boxes than the lowlevel greens ;) |
| 10:05.12 | Stanzilla | those are not about rewarding you, those are the shit you get so it doesnt always rewards you something good and you might still like it |
| 10:06.30 | mikma | it should be about rewarding me! |
| 10:06.33 | mitchnull | Stanzilla: make moar sense |
| 10:06.38 | Stanzilla | can't |
| 10:06.40 | Stanzilla | I'm retarded |
| 10:07.17 | mikma | how retarded? like hurrrr durrrr retarded or even more? |
| 10:07.34 | Stanzilla | hurrr durrr |
| 10:07.56 | mikma | just remember to swipe the drool off from the mouthcorner and you'll be fine |
| 10:08.18 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 10:09.49 | mikma | this creepy crate is possibly the best minipet, ever. |
| 10:10.23 | Xuerian | It's fun for annoying tanks with aggro sounds |
| 10:10.43 | Xuerian | you can also grief the gilneas questline with it iirc |
| 10:10.45 | mikma | it's fun to annoy EVERYONE in the raid with it :D |
| 10:11.14 | mikma | also, i'm fairly sure that the /train -emote has been removed from the toy traintrack |
| 10:11.48 | nevcairiel | it has |
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| 10:11.54 | nevcairiel | it was in the hotfix notes |
| 10:12.39 | pompy | who's mooninaut#1220 ? |
| 10:12.49 | mikma | ok, missed that bit, but good thing i still have my stinkybombs |
| 10:12.59 | Semlar | possibly bluspacecow |
| 10:12.59 | Xuerian | You are everything that's wrong with the world |
| 10:13.14 | mikma | pompy: Jamash |
| 10:13.15 | Xuerian | Not only do you cry in here about ded gaem but you throw stinkbombs in the auctionhouse |
| 10:13.24 | Xuerian | grumbles. |
| 10:13.30 | mikma | pompy: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkFr0rGkE6CJdG5vQWVpd0Y5M0JMMGhBVENoNlR2Mnc#gid=0 |
| 10:14.08 | pompy | danke |
| 10:14.31 | Neffi_ | so danke. #420 #blazeit |
| 10:47.15 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: poke |
| 10:47.37 | nevcairiel | wut |
| 10:47.45 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: do you think quartz is responsible for this? https://mediacru.sh/eCCDo5J_Ogcq.png |
| 10:48.15 | nevcairiel | why would it do that |
| 10:48.37 | jleclanche | not sure, but ive seen it in firelands too |
| 10:48.44 | jleclanche | trying to figure out which addon causes it |
| 10:49.26 | mikma | use /dump GetMouseFocus() when you mouseover those textures :P |
| 10:49.34 | nevcairiel | or /framestack |
| 10:49.37 | nevcairiel | which is much more handy |
| 10:49.46 | jleclanche | good idea |
| 10:50.57 | Mr_Rabies | is there any reason to get a profession to 700? marginally better payout on daily cooldown right, that scales up to 700? |
| 10:51.12 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 10:51.21 | nevcairiel | from 4 at 600 to 10 at 700 |
| 10:51.59 | karl_w_w | im down to 2 missions |
| 10:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | someone was telling me about dialy cooldowns operating differently entirely at 700? is that true? |
| 10:53.56 | Mr_Rabies | like you get a triple cooldown on a recharge or something? |
| 10:54.22 | nevcairiel | you're supposed to get a replacement spell which lets you cast 3 times with one charge recharging every day, but that seems broken right now, i had it at first and then it disappeared |
| 10:58.19 | Simca | yeah i never got it at all |
| 10:59.02 | nevcairiel | with alchemy i hit 700 like on the first or second day, it still existed then, but it vanished a few days after |
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| 11:07.04 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 11:07.52 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if there's a list of items with unique models only available through a non-renewable resource, like questing, rares, or treasure |
| 11:08.18 | Mr_Rabies | i hate having to look up a bunch of stuff to see if i'll lose the model forever if i want to DE it |
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| 11:56.20 | mikma | so, again with that unit becoming attackable. does some event fire (UNIT_FLAGS) when you have hostile targeted and he becomes attackable? |
| 12:00.55 | Semlar | probably |
| 12:01.30 | mikma | or, UNIT_COMBAT arg1 = "target" ? :P |
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| 12:25.38 | Constie | It might also be UNIT_FACTION, mikma. It definitely fires for duels, and I seem to recall also for NPCs. |
| 12:26.54 | mikma | i need to find a npc that i can lure into combat over and over :P |
| 12:27.47 | Constie | Maybe the Death Knight trainees you challenge to combat in that starting area. |
| 12:28.42 | Constie | That's a friendly NPC becoming hostile, though, and I don't know if that works the same way as a red NPC turning attackable. |
| 12:31.49 | mikma | shado-pan duals also work like that, but the question is exactly the red npc |
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| 12:37.12 | Constie | Maybe a dungeon boss fight with some RP. |
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| 13:35.14 | karl_w_w | just cheat mikma |
| 13:37.10 | karl_w_w | hmm maybe I can't think of how you'd do that |
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| 13:53.52 | mikma | internet detectives are wonderful persons if you get photographed doing something extremely stupid |
| 13:54.14 | mikma | http://termite.apcdn.com/full/126293.jpg |
| 13:54.55 | mikma | these two monkeys got photographed earlier, and after that they got photographed breaking the window |
| 13:55.06 | mikma | now the internet detectives found their facebook pages :D |
| 13:55.55 | mikma | (finnish independence day riots, "anarchists against presidents id6 party" ...) |
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| 14:02.10 | karl_w_w | are prot warriors just impossible to beat 1v1? |
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| 14:19.55 | Sharparam | wait how does GetCurrentMapZone actually work... |
| 14:20.23 | Sharparam | if i take the first return and match it against {GetMapZones()} of current continent i get "Spires of Arak" when in ashran and a number when in frostfire... |
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| 14:21.50 | mikma | sharparam: it always shows you the zone you have active in map |
| 14:22.04 | Sharparam | and i had ashran/warspear open |
| 14:22.27 | mikma | ain't GetCurrentMapZone the "minizone" inside a big zone? |
| 14:22.45 | Sharparam | no idea |
| 14:22.49 | mikma | hmm, no |
| 14:22.54 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentMapZone |
| 14:25.26 | Sharparam | when i have frostfire ridge open in map |
| 14:25.31 | Sharparam | GetCurrentMapZone returns 4 |
| 14:25.32 | Sharparam | 2* |
| 14:25.43 | Sharparam | index 2 in the GetMapZones is Ashran |
| 14:25.45 | Sharparam | wut |
| 14:26.35 | Sharparam | the docs must be outdated, there are numbers before each zone name in the returns from GetMapZones |
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| 14:26.52 | Sharparam | what those numbers are i have no idea, seem to be global zone IDs, but there's no way to query for those? |
| 14:30.08 | Sharparam | but then the return inside garrison doesn't make sense... |
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| 14:35.01 | mikma | garrison is instance |
| 14:35.03 | mikma | it's 0 |
| 14:35.41 | Sharparam | well GetCurrentMapZone() for garrison returns 3 :P |
| 14:36.07 | tlund | can someone recomment an up-to-date addon that can color recipes and plans at a vendor if they are already known (specifically garrison blueprints)? I used ProfessionsVault earlier, but they stoped updating that after some breakage in 5.4 :( |
| 14:36.32 | mikma | Ackis Recipe List? |
| 14:37.41 | tlund | mikma: no, it doesnt do that...? does it? |
| 14:38.04 | mikma | no idae |
| 14:38.56 | Sharparam | GetCurrentMapZone() for Talador returns 10 which is outside the range of the returns given from GetMapZones() |
| 14:39.01 | Sharparam | what am i missing? |
| 14:39.08 | tlund | mikma: I am using ARL, and I don't know how to get it to do that, at least. :) |
| 14:39.40 | karl_w_w | it's annoying how the fishing dailies take all the eggs when you hand them in instead of 10 |
| 14:39.40 | mikma | sharparam: i'll also have a look once i get to kill this den mother |
| 14:39.50 | mikma | karl_w_w: umf |
| 14:40.16 | Sharparam | and if using the raw returns from GetMapZones (not grouping them by id and name), the 10th return is the string "Shadowmoon Valley" |
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| 14:41.54 | Sharparam | ah |
| 14:42.03 | Sharparam | so the numbers are not zoneids, they're mapids. or both i gues |
| 14:42.04 | Sharparam | guess* |
| 14:43.49 | mikma | and you're saying that the wowprogramming page i sent you to check is out of date? |
| 14:46.01 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCurrentMapZone |
| 14:46.53 | Sharparam | they seem to have the same data? |
| 14:47.06 | Sharparam | both are not including those 4 new returns |
| 14:47.22 | mikma | afaik, it's always been there |
| 14:47.38 | Sharparam | but the whole thing about the return from GetCurrentMapZone() corresponding to the returns of GetMapZones is incorrect |
| 14:47.46 | Sharparam | at least it only works for some zones |
| 14:48.11 | Sharparam | you'll have to create a mapping out of GetMapZones() and then match GetCurrentMapAreaID against them |
| 14:48.37 | Henk_ | Whats is a texture atlas? |
| 14:48.49 | Henk_ | Texture:SetAtlas() - This function is not yet documented |
| 14:49.21 | mikma | i think it's something about dungeon journal... who knows ;) |
| 14:51.07 | tlund | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=SetAtlas%28%29 |
| 14:51.48 | tlund | .. inconclusive. :) |
| 14:52.51 | Henk_ | Maybe its some sort of texture file with coords in it do define regions of the texture |
| 14:53.01 | Henk_ | to* |
| 14:53.26 | nebula169 | Henk_: named texture/texcoords, basically. so blizzard can do texture:SetAtlas("SomeUIFrame") and it sets the texture and texcoord automatically, sets tiling and sizing aswell |
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| 14:55.07 | Jamash | gooooood morning Draenooooor! |
| 14:55.45 | zenzelezz | lok'tar |
| 14:57.39 | mikma | sharparam: [16:57:02] GetCurrentMapZone() => 5, 545.833984375, 2091.6669921875, -137.5, 1635.4169921875 - this is my return on the garrison |
| 14:57.49 | Sharparam | what locale? |
| 14:58.13 | mikma | english |
| 14:58.13 | Sharparam | and what does your {GetMapZones(GetCurrentMapContinent())} return |
| 14:58.32 | mikma | [16:58:21] GetMapZones(GetCurrentMapContinent()) => 978, "Ashran", 941, "Frostfire Ridge", 949, "Gorgrond", 950, "Nagrand", 947, "Shadowmoon Valley", 948, "Spires of Arak", 946, "Talador", 945, "Tanaan Jungle" |
| 14:58.44 | Sharparam | oh and are you horder or alliance :P |
| 14:59.03 | mikma | Alliance :) |
| 14:59.19 | Sharparam | that explains the different number |
| 14:59.41 | Simca | GetCurrentMapZone() isn't that useful |
| 15:00.03 | Sharparam | so for alliance garrison it returns shadowmoon valley properly |
| 15:00.07 | Sharparam | but for horde it gives gorgrond |
| 15:00.22 | Sharparam | either something is odd, or the mages in my garrison have moved my garrison go gorgrond |
| 15:01.21 | mikma | sharparam: what does GetCurrentMapAreaID() return in horde garrison? |
| 15:01.33 | Simca | I wouldn't bother with GetCurrentMapZone() - it was only used by addons because before 6.0, we had no way of getting real MapIDs |
| 15:01.52 | Sharparam | returns 976 and false |
| 15:01.53 | Simca | without maintaining static lists of data in libraries |
| 15:01.58 | mikma | 976, check |
| 15:02.15 | Sharparam | which corresponds to "Frostwall" on Wowpedia's list of mapids |
| 15:03.17 | Simca | use GetMapInfo() if you want to do it by names instead of IDs |
| 15:03.46 | Simca | microDungeonMapName will be listed in this case because the garrisons are dungeons overlayed over the real zone |
| 15:05.10 | Simca | or just do something like /dump GetMapNameByID(GetCurrentMapAreaID()) |
| 15:05.24 | Henk_ | why does this happen when I enable tiling on a status bar? http://i.imgur.com/dpYn0Qm.png |
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| 15:08.00 | mikma | henk_: what's there supposed to happen? |
| 15:08.27 | Henk_ | the texture repeating |
| 15:08.57 | mikma | you want it to repeast? |
| 15:09.46 | Henk_ | I want to have a pixel perfect texture in my status bar |
| 15:09.55 | Henk_ | I want a pixel border on the inside |
| 15:10.14 | Henk_ | and I trying to find out how |
| 15:10.32 | mikma | healthbar:GetStatusBarTexture():SetHorizTile(false) - don't know does this help you at all |
| 15:10.43 | mikma | but that's something i do when i need to disable tiling etc |
| 15:10.48 | mikma | play around |
| 15:11.00 | Henk_ | yeah thats teh default, its stretches the texture |
| 15:11.01 | mikma | textures usually are a bitch to handle ingame |
| 15:11.02 | Henk_ | the* |
| 15:11.28 | Sharparam | "'then' expected near 'self'" |
| 15:11.30 | Sharparam | *sigh* |
| 15:12.04 | Sharparam | y u no lint my code, sublime |
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| 15:24.25 | Xandr | is there a way to have a frame or texture, that's moved with a "translation" animation, snap to "whole" pixels? |
| 15:26.18 | Henk_ | Xandr if you use UIScaler then you dont have to worry about that http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info20266-UIScaler.html |
| 15:26.41 | mikma | oh, garrison seems to be problematic |
| 15:26.54 | mikma | api gives another zone id when you hs in |
| 15:27.13 | mikma | but if you run in fron shadowmoon valley, the shadowmoon valley zone id sticks around |
| 15:32.41 | [TOM_RUS] | they should just add an API that returns area/zone id's and other info and doesn't depend on world map selection |
| 15:32.57 | [TOM_RUS] | few lines of code for blizz and everyone is happy |
| 15:33.05 | [TOM_RUS] | but that probably will never happen |
| 15:36.02 | Jamash | just deparse the zone name olololol |
| 15:36.03 | Xandr | Hank_: the game engine still seems to put the region at fractional coordinates during the animation. http://xandr.co.uk/xandrui/animation.mov - see how the bottom part of the texture seems to "flicker" when it's moving slower than 1xp per refresh? |
| 15:36.34 | fewyn | Level 90-94 missions will only award a Bag of Salvaged Goods (level 1 reward) regardless of the level of your Salvage Yard. |
| 15:36.34 | fewyn | Successful Level 100 missions will now always reward a salvage crate appropriate for your current Salvage Yard. |
| 15:36.35 | fewyn | booo |
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| 15:58.22 | Jamash | make my own double counter list razzum frazzum |
| 15:58.59 | Dagmar | fewyn: Umm.. I wouldn't boo a 100% drop rate for crates |
| 15:59.11 | fewyn | it's not a 100% drop rate |
| 15:59.18 | fewyn | wait |
| 15:59.19 | fewyn | oh |
| 15:59.21 | fewyn | i misread that |
| 15:59.22 | Dagmar | "always reward" |
| 15:59.28 | fewyn | i guess that's okay |
| 15:59.32 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'm not seeing it as that bad of a thing. Heh |
| 15:59.38 | fewyn | but most level 100 missions are like 8+ hours |
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| 15:59.54 | Dagmar | I mean, they're usually junk, and some of it _soulbound_ junk at that, but there's a few non-trivial things in there occasionally |
| 16:00.05 | fewyn | transmog pieces |
| 16:00.17 | Dagmar | I'm not sure I'd want to mog myself to look like a boosted noob |
| 16:00.20 | fewyn | i get maybe one good one a day |
| 16:00.21 | fewyn | if i'm lucky |
| 16:00.32 | fewyn | i meant to sell transmog |
| 16:00.37 | Jamash | send 3 epic mount followers on an 8 hour mission = 1 hour mission |
| 16:00.40 | fewyn | the blues get vendored/disenchanted |
| 16:00.52 | Dagmar | I'm throwing them all into the AH |
| 16:00.52 | fewyn | i only have 2! |
| 16:00.57 | Jamash | recruit another one |
| 16:00.59 | Jamash | that's what I did |
| 16:01.27 | Sharparam | and then you have to lvl them from 90 green to 100 epic :3 |
| 16:01.33 | Jamash | yes |
| 16:01.39 | fewyn | i don't think you can recruit epic mount |
| 16:01.43 | Jamash | I did! |
| 16:01.45 | Sharparam | you can |
| 16:01.48 | Sharparam | i just did the other day |
| 16:01.52 | fewyn | where was it in the list? |
| 16:01.54 | Sharparam | Trait -> Epic Mount |
| 16:01.56 | fewyn | i must have missed it |
| 16:02.05 | fewyn | i normally search for scavengers tho |
| 16:02.05 | Jamash | it's under enhancements or something weird |
| 16:02.12 | Jamash | not where you would expect |
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| 16:02.43 | fewyn | i'll have to look for it then on tuesday |
| 16:03.46 | Jamash | Wow couldn't find my soundcard, probably because I put the computer in sleep mode and woke it up again. I changed the default sound format in the realtek sound app and then changed it back and now wow can find it. |
| 16:03.58 | Jamash | #pcgaming |
| 16:06.20 | foxlit | heh, the solo garrison areas are basically unplayable |
| 16:06.40 | karl_w_w | does anybody find that when moving their player by holding down right mouse it will sometimes just randomly spin around and point in another direction? |
| 16:06.41 | nevcairiel | solo garrison areas? |
| 16:07.04 | foxlit | the outdoor area for the solo version of today's garrison daily mission. |
| 16:07.10 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 16:07.16 | foxlit | there's like 3 people camping each mob. |
| 16:07.20 | nevcairiel | yeah its way small |
| 16:07.21 | karl_w_w | I usually just put it down to random dirt getting under the mouse or something, but it has never happened in another game |
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| 16:08.58 | Sharparam | OnMouseMove: if random() < 0.01 then movecursor(random(-1000,10009)) |
| 16:11.10 | karl_w_w | exactly :P |
| 16:11.49 | karl_w_w | back in BC when the method was master looter, only the ML could see what dropped right? |
| 16:11.55 | karl_w_w | or am I misremembering that |
| 16:12.04 | nevcairiel | i think everyone could always look into the corpse |
| 16:17.39 | mikma | what's the easiest way to make a functioning GUI in wow? |
| 16:34.53 | Jamash | Don't try to do pandaria scenarios if you're not 90 or 100 |
| 16:35.17 | Jamash | at 94, I got placed in a level 100 scenario, where the mobs do double my HP in damage |
| 16:38.04 | Jamash | also it won't find you a group, it'll just put you in it alone |
| 16:38.13 | Jamash | I presume you need to take 2 friends with you |
| 16:39.19 | Maldivia | hehe |
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| 17:11.42 | VIad | dk op much |
| 17:11.53 | VIad | 40%+ of the HC group dps is me alone as the tank |
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| 17:17.13 | VIad | I guess stats really scales you up quick |
| 17:17.27 | VIad | just 10 more stats here and there and bom before you know it |
| 17:19.04 | karl_w_w | SQLSTATE[HY000]: General error: 2006 MySQL server has gone away |
| 17:19.11 | karl_w_w | :'( |
| 17:19.21 | karl_w_w | abandonment issues |
| 17:21.22 | Sharparam | i need more ram... |
| 17:23.31 | Jamash | MOAR RAM. You Need It. No Exceptions. |
| 17:23.58 | Sharparam | ran out of memory before with wow and firefox running, and some other minor stuff |
| 17:24.03 | Sharparam | windows was not happy |
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| 17:24.57 | Jamash | how much do you have? |
| 17:25.04 | Sharparam | 6gb |
| 17:25.11 | Sharparam | at startup, ~1.8-1.9 is in use |
| 17:25.26 | Sharparam | wow/firefox each stabilise at around 1.5gb after a while |
| 17:28.03 | Jamash | you have a problem sir |
| 17:28.37 | Sharparam | there used to be some kind of leak issue with raptr, dunno if it's still there |
| 17:28.44 | Jamash | I have 4gb and run firefox, wow, thunderbird, itunes, curse client, dropbox, etc |
| 17:28.54 | Sharparam | how much does each use |
| 17:29.19 | Jamash | open the Windows Resource Manager and see what has high Commit values |
| 17:29.33 | Jamash | err, working set |
| 17:30.04 | Jamash | 1.18 wow (medium-low settings), 0.9 firefox, 0.2 thunderbird |
| 17:30.16 | Sharparam | firefox and wow :P |
| 17:30.28 | Jamash | yeah but why do you have 1.8-1.9 in use at startup |
| 17:30.43 | Jamash | that's way too high |
| 17:31.18 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/on |
| 17:31.20 | Sharparam | current |
| 17:32.31 | Jamash | what does steelseriesengine do and why does it take 153 megs to do it |
| 17:32.40 | Sharparam | god knows |
| 17:32.53 | Jamash | ekrn? |
| 17:32.56 | Sharparam | eset |
| 17:33.10 | Jamash | I don't know what that means |
| 17:33.15 | Fisker | I remember when Curse Client used liked 40GB of memory or so |
| 17:33.16 | Sharparam | nod32 :P |
| 17:33.18 | Fisker | that was fun |
| 17:33.39 | Jamash | Sharparam: uninstall your current crappy AV, get microsoft security essentials |
| 17:33.51 | Sharparam | it hasn't run out yet so |
| 17:33.51 | Jamash | find out if steelseries does anything useful, if not turn it off |
| 17:33.59 | Fisker | common sense, windows update, go |
| 17:34.05 | karl_w_w | aww yes 100% chance on abrogator stone mission |
| 17:34.32 | Jamash | Other AV programs, in my personal experience, are worth less than zero dollars compared to MSE |
| 17:34.42 | karl_w_w | hey VIad, http://i.imgur.com/GTNNszl.jpg = http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/340/b/c/team_is_secret_by_mael_likki-d88w0kf.jpg |
| 17:34.48 | Jamash | in that they make my life harder and don't do anything useful |
| 17:34.57 | VIad | lol |
| 17:35.18 | Jamash | I uninstalled Kaspersky because it was blocking me from doing things and it was too much work to figure out how to get it to stop |
| 17:35.39 | Jamash | of course, I've never had a virus ever so I'm an edge case |
| 17:36.12 | Jamash | and I run sshd on windows |
| 17:36.19 | Jamash | YMMV |
| 17:36.44 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/WvaLtQTk << a++, would write again. |
| 17:37.13 | Jamash | foxlit: do you have some kind of allergy to data-driven loops? |
| 17:37.40 | Jamash | wait, what the hell |
| 17:38.14 | Jamash | foxlit: you're doing the exact same thing twice in a row |
| 17:38.16 | VIad | I love it! |
| 17:38.24 | nevcairiel | some things just look prettier in xml :p |
| 17:39.03 | VIad | april 1st gonna write all my addons like that |
| 17:39.05 | VIad | no for loops |
| 17:39.33 | foxlit | am I? Might've been careless about modifying copies. |
| 17:39.39 | Jamash | foxlit: You have TOPLEFT, BOTTOMLEFT followed by TOPLEFT, BOTTOMLEFT |
| 17:40.21 | foxlit | one _Bg-Edge too many, eh? |
| 17:40.45 | VIad | isnt atlas blizz' thing? |
| 17:41.11 | VIad | I assume its to make it quicker to write certain things |
| 17:41.12 | Jamash | he's painting stuff on top of the garrison UI |
| 17:44.43 | karl_w_w | like da vinci |
| 17:45.17 | Semlar | da vinci code? |
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| 17:46.05 | karl_w_w | yes, in fact da vinci coded decursive |
| 17:46.35 | VIad | them 1800 coding yo |
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| 17:53.23 | Jamash | Ada Lovelace wrote the first computer program in 1843 |
| 17:58.19 | foxlit | okay, it's more like this: http://pastebin.com/Vec75rZa |
| 17:58.44 | Semlar | beautiful |
| 17:58.48 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.34 | Fisker | nice |
| 18:03.41 | Fisker | Are you doing something similar for followers? |
| 18:04.22 | Dagmar | Damn I gotta start pushing my guys to 645 |
| 18:04.59 | Dagmar | I just like things so neat and tidy and I've only got two non-615 100 followers left |
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| 18:09.13 | kullervo | I don't even know how to get gear for the followers without salvage yard or war mill |
| 18:09.41 | foxlit | missions drop tokens. |
| 18:09.58 | kullervo | I only see enchants and I've got plenty enough of those |
| 18:10.06 | Fisker | also warmill |
| 18:10.16 | Fisker | though that's hilariously bad |
| 18:10.57 | kullervo | what do the tavern lvl 3 missions have? |
| 18:11.08 | nevcairiel | gold |
| 18:11.14 | kullervo | damn |
| 18:11.18 | Fisker | very small amounts of gold |
| 18:11.27 | kullervo | I have plenty of that as well |
| 18:22.36 | karl_w_w | yeah it's ridiculous |
| 18:23.05 | karl_w_w | missions that give gold are already ass, not sure how missions that give marginally more gold are meant to be a good thing |
| 18:27.57 | Fisker | oh man there's a prison in my barracks |
| 18:34.33 | Dagmar | Thank god those are instance |
| 18:34.34 | Dagmar | d |
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| 18:38.53 | Jamash | woohoo, rebuilt my inn |
| 18:39.45 | Jamash | looks like the time to sell bags is right when people get off of work on friday |
| 18:39.57 | Jamash | https://theunderminejournal.com/#kiljaeden/item/82446 |
| 18:47.22 | VIad | btw "the guest" was a really fun movie |
| 18:50.36 | jaxdahl | hm, Anticipation doesn't fire UNIT_COMBO_POINTS, have to watch UNIT_AURA? |
| 18:51.24 | VIad | usually events fire always |
| 18:51.30 | VIad | no events only fire when you watch something else |
| 18:51.34 | VIad | i.e. no dependency |
| 18:51.51 | VIad | you can just watch for the combo points event, or the aura event, or both or more at once |
| 18:51.55 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:16.13 | VIad | pizza so guud |
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| 19:35.45 | Maldivia | jaxdahl: well, makes sense that it doesn't fire the combo event... since no combo is generated! |
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| 20:09.32 | VIad | on or en route? |
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| 20:09.37 | VIad | seen both not sure wtf |
| 20:12.59 | Fisker | en route |
| 20:13.36 | VIad | keys are en the table |
| 20:13.38 | VIad | sounds odd |
| 20:13.48 | VIad | things proceeding en plan |
| 20:14.10 | zenzelezz | "en route" is French |
| 20:14.35 | VIad | hmm... sounded very english when pronounced in movies :P |
| 20:14.46 | VIad | totally ignoring the french pronounciation :( |
| 20:14.48 | zenzelezz | that's because they're Americans/English |
| 20:14.49 | VIad | wasnt obvious |
| 20:15.09 | Maldivia | I'm groot? |
| 20:15.41 | VIad | saw the movie, didnt find that part that funny as the internet makes it out to be :p |
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| 20:17.41 | VIad | HIDE |
| 20:21.04 | VIad | btw soon "hotwire" wont work in movies - or it already technically doesnt work I guess :P |
| 20:21.20 | VIad | thinks arent as easy as back in the old days |
| 20:21.38 | zenzelezz | no problem |
| 20:21.55 | zenzelezz | they'll just get their 1337 h4x0r friends to provider a super savvy USB stick |
| 20:22.04 | VIad | :P |
| 20:22.36 | VIad | but at some point the whole stealing a car thing will be trivial and pointless to even show on screen |
| 20:27.10 | zenzelezz | soon we'll just download them anyway |
| 20:27.17 | VIad | 3d print car |
| 20:27.20 | zenzelezz | like the anti-piracy warnings suggest |
| 20:29.47 | VIad | I love in movies, stuff talk to you |
| 20:29.53 | VIad | like a box talking about its contents xD |
| 20:32.50 | zenzelezz | what, they don't talk to you normally? |
| 20:32.58 | VIad | oh shit |
| 20:32.58 | zenzelezz | this is a disturbing turn of events |
| 20:33.00 | VIad | AI boxes |
| 20:33.01 | VIad | the future |
| 20:33.19 | VIad | "your porn dvds are safely stored" spewing out of the box or something |
| 20:35.07 | zenzelezz | lol, that's cute |
| 20:35.09 | zenzelezz | porn DVDs |
| 20:35.33 | VIad | is 4k still blurays? |
| 20:35.36 | VIad | 8k? |
| 20:36.56 | Alram | i think i read something about 4k blurays coming next year |
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| 20:48.08 | VIad | wonder what the difference will be |
| 20:48.13 | VIad | i.e. 1080p monitor showing 4k |
| 20:51.39 | zenzelezz | your CPU or GPU will spend time downscaling it, so it'll be a performance decrease; possibly (but not certainly) for a slight graphical improvement |
| 20:52.35 | nevcairiel | on 1080p it might be a rather marginal quality increase |
| 20:52.37 | zenzelezz | I suppose "degradation" is better than "decrease" in that sentence |
| 20:56.26 | Alram | if its anything like the quality that you get rendering games in 4k and downscaling them to 1080p |
| 20:56.31 | Alram | then its probably noticable |
| 20:56.48 | Alram | but i guess film is an entirely different thing and shouldnt be compared |
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| 21:00.30 | zenzelezz | isn't that essentially MSAA in games? |
| 21:07.51 | Gnarfoz | that's SSAA, you're thinking of |
| 21:09.29 | plaw | i'm looking forward to getting decent blacks out of 4k films |
| 21:10.42 | nevcairiel | why would black be different |
| 21:10.45 | plaw | well, to be fair happens on all gradients not just black but that one particularly pisses me off |
| 21:10.56 | nevcairiel | black is black, not a gradient :p |
| 21:11.05 | plaw | nevcairiel: I more meant in the home setting |
| 21:11.19 | Alram | zenzelezz, i meant more along the lines of what nvidia implemented recently |
| 21:11.19 | plaw | nevcairiel: black doesn't really exist |
| 21:11.21 | nevcairiel | 4k itself doesnt improve on that |
| 21:11.32 | nevcairiel | its just a higher resolution |
| 21:11.53 | plaw | yeah it's too early in the morning to remember the underlying compression/blah foo that'll help improve it |
| 21:12.17 | plaw | should know by now never to open his mouth here before 10AM |
| 21:12.21 | plaw | d/before 10AM/ |
| 21:14.02 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.18 | foxlit | and probably some kind of overlay to show loot/follower XP. |
| 21:17.11 | VIad | I need to see if its patrol, exploration, e.g. |
| 21:17.18 | foxlit | you really don't. |
| 21:17.20 | VIad | I do |
| 21:17.26 | foxlit | it's active missions, you can do absolutely nothing about them. |
| 21:17.26 | VIad | achievements to unlock things like |
| 21:17.30 | VIad | do 50 patrol missions |
| 21:17.39 | VIad | maybe I want to prioritize those e.g. |
| 21:17.53 | nevcairiel | you should read better VIad |
| 21:17.55 | kd3 | yah, but active missions are missions you've _already_ started |
| 21:17.57 | Torhal | Those are active, not available. |
| 21:18.02 | VIad | WHAT! |
| 21:18.10 | kd3 | you're talking about available missions |
| 21:18.17 | VIad | looks good for available too tbh :P |
| 21:18.42 | Semlar | is the time between two flight points completely arbitrary or could you estimate it based on distance |
| 21:18.52 | VIad | Semlar: can estimate |
| 21:18.56 | Dagmar | I'm sure they had an amount of time in mind |
| 21:19.05 | Dagmar | The actual routes, however, are bugfuck. |
| 21:19.07 | VIad | Semlar: I did an experiment a while ago and it worked in MoP |
| 21:19.10 | nevcairiel | the taxis fly a fixed speed |
| 21:19.22 | Torhal | Semlar: There are AddOns which show a countdown during flight. Unfortunately, none of them come pre-populated. |
| 21:19.24 | nevcairiel | sometimes they just dont fly a very straight line |
| 21:19.24 | Dagmar | They're more interested in teasering you with views of key areas in the zone than they are with getting there |
| 21:19.26 | Semlar | well, if i know the straight line distance between two flight points do you think i could figure it out |
| 21:19.32 | VIad | used the dbc to make paths and used djikstras algo to calculate shortest paths and such and write down the time between each line |
| 21:19.39 | VIad | no a bit hard |
| 21:19.45 | VIad | the path can swoosh around and zigzag |
| 21:19.55 | Dagmar | Semlar: There are exactly zero "straight line" flights that I'm aware of, other than possibly Stormwind to Goldshire. |
| 21:19.57 | VIad | the further away it could be off by a lot more than expected |
| 21:20.05 | Torhal | Yeah, estimating wouldn't really be feasible. |
| 21:20.13 | Semlar | i know the flights meander but it seems like the speed isn't constant |
| 21:20.18 | Dagmar | It's not |
| 21:20.18 | VIad | Torhal: it is with a little databank! |
| 21:20.24 | Dagmar | You're right about that |
| 21:20.33 | VIad | Semlar: speed isnt |
| 21:20.34 | VIad | BUT |
| 21:20.36 | VIad | if you know the length |
| 21:20.40 | VIad | you can calculate speed on the fly |
| 21:20.42 | VIad | litteraly |
| 21:20.45 | Dagmar | Some places the gryphon or whatever barely goes faster than a player's flying mount |
| 21:20.47 | VIad | estimate an average speed |
| 21:20.56 | VIad | but as you hop on that speed is set for the entire path |
| 21:21.02 | VIad | so you divide by speed and there you go time :p |
| 21:21.07 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: it never really went much faster than flying mounts |
| 21:21.13 | VIad | my prototype worked in mop and was maybe 10 sec off at best |
| 21:21.17 | VIad | but other than that pretty accurate |
| 21:21.38 | nevcairiel | 10s in a 60s flight seems rather significant |
| 21:21.42 | Dagmar | nevcariel: WEll, I'm probably missing some fantastically expensive mount speed boost, but I know I can't keep up with them |
| 21:21.54 | VIad | nevcairiel: no more like 10 sec after like 6 connections and a 5 min path ish |
| 21:22.00 | VIad | not so much |
| 21:22.08 | VIad | only thing I couldnt fix is if you lag ofc |
| 21:22.12 | VIad | then the path is affected too |
| 21:22.19 | nevcairiel | 310% flight speed with guild 10% bonus you can usually fly beside them in pandaria |
| 21:22.30 | VIad | some went quicker |
| 21:22.32 | Dagmar | Actually I'm pretty sure that unless they changed the way it works, your lagging can't slow you down |
| 21:22.39 | Torhal | Draenor FPs seem to be quite a bit faster. |
| 21:22.50 | VIad | I've experienced being teleported to the destination when I am like 100 yards away |
| 21:22.52 | VIad | not often but :p |
| 21:23.03 | Fisker | I think it's nice foxlit |
| 21:23.11 | Dagmar | Remember, there used to be a few bugs where you could actually take over the transit mount, and just fly wherever you liked, but at the appointed time *bam* you were teleported to teh destination |
| 21:23.43 | Fisker | You could have followers in there like you have the 3 followers icons on top foxlit |
| 21:24.11 | foxlit | I could, but they'd be small. |
| 21:24.37 | foxlit | could you really figure out who is who from a portrait? |
| 21:24.55 | Fisker | I thought you just wanted it so people could mouse over it |
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| 21:59.43 | Primer | So yesterday a melee person in my raid said I'd not get more than 8k DPS on Ko'ragh due to the fight mechanics. My Skada registered something like 17k DPS, whereas his registered 7k. |
| 22:00.02 | Primer | IIRC, he just showed me "Damage". My Skada was showing "Damage" as well. |
| 22:00.07 | nevcairiel | skada records absorbs damage now properly |
| 22:00.07 | Stanzilla | you updated skada |
| 22:00.08 | Stanzilla | he did not |
| 22:00.26 | Primer | Ok, wait |
| 22:00.48 | Primer | You mean the other way around then? I did not update, and he did? |
| 22:00.57 | Primer | I'd think that absorbs would just not count |
| 22:01.11 | Primer | You're saying absorbs count? |
| 22:01.17 | Semlar | absorbs not counting is how it originally worked, i would assume |
| 22:01.30 | Primer | hrmm |
| 22:01.43 | Primer | I don't see how that makes sense |
| 22:02.01 | Primer | Why would absorbs count? |
| 22:02.12 | nevcairiel | why would they not |
| 22:02.12 | Primer | Shouldn't there be an "effective damage" stat then? |
| 22:02.16 | Semlar | because that fight in particular it would look like magic casters are doing n o damage |
| 22:03.22 | Semlar | outside of that fight, should your absorbed damage be counted as damage done? |
| 22:04.29 | Primer | I guess that's the argument then |
| 22:04.34 | Semlar | i guess it depends on what the damage meter is supposed to represent |
| 22:04.35 | nevcairiel | when an enemy absorbs, isnt that usually damage thats still sensible, i mean, its not like its immune? |
| 22:04.47 | Primer | if the absorbed damage is being counted toward the end goal, I'd say it'd have to count |
| 22:05.10 | Semlar | damage done by the player or damage taken by the target |
| 22:05.13 | Primer | but if the absorb damage is just being entirely mitigated, it should not |
| 22:05.48 | Primer | like if the damage is lowering a shield on the boss or something like that |
| 22:05.51 | Semlar | i would say in almost all cases, absorbed damage shouldn't count towards damage done |
| 22:06.14 | nevcairiel | i would say it should |
| 22:06.28 | Semlar | but they didn't do the damage |
| 22:06.34 | Semlar | therefor, it's not damage done |
| 22:06.44 | nevcairiel | they did do the damage, the target just didnt take it |
| 22:06.55 | Semlar | no, they tried to do the damage, they didn't |
| 22:07.12 | foxlit | tries to calm Semlar down |
| 22:07.23 | Semlar | tries to clam foxlit up |
| 22:07.45 | nevcairiel | absorb shields usually always have a value you have to get through, they tend not to be infite or time based, they would be immune then |
| 22:08.13 | Semlar | really? |
| 22:08.54 | Semlar | i suppose i'd need to see various mob abilities that absorb to decide one way or the other |
| 22:09.06 | foxlit | it's np, nevcairiel is clearly right. |
| 22:09.24 | Constie | A shield going up and DPS having to do X damage to remove it so a spell can be interrupted in time is a thing that happens sometimes. |
| 22:09.27 | Semlar | in my experience, if something is absorbing damage, it's usually something that has to run out or be dispelled, not damaged through |
| 22:09.56 | Semlar | even if it can theoretically be damaged through |
| 22:10.05 | foxlit | your experience, like.... |
| 22:10.15 | Semlar | raiding |
| 22:10.22 | Semlar | i assume that's what damage meters are used for |
| 22:10.41 | Fisker | There's like what, vashj? |
| 22:10.51 | foxlit | raiding what, specifically? |
| 22:11.04 | Fisker | And even then I don't see why damage shouldn't count |
| 22:11.19 | nevcairiel | if you want to argue for "useless" damage, you could also say that it shouldnt count any damage on mobs that heal up again once another add is killed (ie. some council bosses do that) |
| 22:11.20 | Semlar | well, seeing as there's only one fight off the top of my head that i can say that absorbed damage should count toward damage done |
| 22:11.36 | Constie | Apparently according to Wowhead the shield on the Priest guy in the High King Maulgar encounter can be Mass Dispelled. Wish I knew that back then. |
| 22:11.49 | Fisker | How many fights off the top of your head can you say that absorbed damage shouldn't count? |
| 22:12.13 | Stanzilla | that was a useless discussion, Primer :p |
| 22:12.24 | Stanzilla | the boss takes dmg, just not to his HP but to his shield |
| 22:12.26 | Stanzilla | end of story |
| 22:13.16 | nevcairiel | icc 2nd boss also had a shield you had to burn through |
| 22:13.19 | nevcairiel | there, 2:0 |
| 22:13.19 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:13.51 | foxlit | and vashj has no absorption shield? |
| 22:14.11 | nevcairiel | wasnt she immune until you disabled the pillars |
| 22:14.12 | Fisker | Oh I thought it was absorb not flat damage decrease |
| 22:14.13 | foxlit | just plain immunity during phase 2. |
| 22:14.22 | Fisker | Really? |
| 22:14.34 | Fisker | I recall it differently |
| 22:14.39 | Fisker | Well it was the same effect |
| 22:14.49 | Fisker | But I don't think it was downright immunity |
| 22:15.04 | foxlit | this can only be solved by sendering Fisker into SSC. |
| 22:15.18 | nevcairiel | i was there recently for pet drops, but i dont remember such detail |
| 22:15.53 | Constie | http://wowpedia.org/Lady_Vashj_(tactics)#Phase_2 |
| 22:16.39 | Stanzilla | you could dmg her all you want |
| 22:16.43 | Stanzilla | didnt change sshit |
| 22:16.47 | Stanzilla | so it was kinda irrelevant |
| 22:17.00 | Semlar | was she immune to damage or absorbing damage |
| 22:17.07 | Semlar | i assume immune |
| 22:17.09 | nevcairiel | might as well just a damage reduce by 100% |
| 22:17.10 | Constie | I'm 99% sure she's immune. |
| 22:17.27 | Stanzilla | ye |
| 22:18.08 | Fisker | I always remembered it like you could do like 1% damage to her or something |
| 22:18.35 | Fisker | But yeah I can't think of any fight where there are absorbs and you don't want to dps through them |
| 22:19.22 | Fisker | Should look up reliquary of souls as well |
| 22:20.11 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40788 |
| 22:20.36 | Fisker | dat raid |
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| 22:21.38 | Fisker | hey Ressy |
| 22:21.44 | Ressy | hey |
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| 22:53.11 | jleclanche | has anyone done the small engineering building? what does it give other than boring work orders? |
| 22:54.07 | nevcairiel | as an engineer? it doesnt really give anything other than work orders, as all other profession buildings, they just yield extra of the cooldown materials |
| 22:54.17 | nevcairiel | also, a mailbox |
| 22:54.39 | nevcairiel | if not engineer, it allows you to craft a few of the things |
| 22:54.40 | mikma | if you put a worker there you get stupid stuff that sells incredibly well in AH.. lol |
| 22:55.42 | mikma | ilvl trinkets with limited amount of uses, "evil jeeves" .. etc |
| 22:55.58 | Xuerian | the bou looterang |
| 22:56.18 | nevcairiel | oh right those things, but those require an assigned follower as well as the building |
| 22:57.02 | Xuerian | Not really a big deal to work a follower into your lineup with engineering that you just assign when you pick up the orders |
| 22:57.25 | nevcairiel | i wish they would fix that faster, its just so terrible |
| 22:57.47 | Xuerian | ? |
| 22:57.59 | nevcairiel | its obviously not intended to just assign them d uring pickup |
| 22:58.09 | Xuerian | oooh man, better fix that, it's breaking so much stuff |
| 22:58.26 | nevcairiel | its just stupid |
| 22:58.43 | mikma | so, what do you think? http://fi8.eu.apcdn.com/full/126307.gif does this hurt? |
| 22:58.54 | Xuerian | it's "who gives a shit" stupid, though |
| 22:59.08 | nevcairiel | it will be fixed in any case |
| 22:59.21 | nevcairiel | and i'm sure those doing it give a shit :p |
| 22:59.34 | Xuerian | sighs and shrugs. |
| 22:59.49 | Xuerian | So many people in the WoW community, you find people who pick the weirdest angles on thing. |
| 23:00.16 | nevcairiel | also, those doing it havent figured out yet that once all your followers hit 100, you can barely keep half your gang busy anyway |
| 23:01.11 | Xuerian | And that's why it confuses me that you said "i wish they would fix that faster, its just so terrible", it ends up not even mattering. |
| 23:01.53 | nevcairiel | i just like messing with people that think they need to exploit every possible unintended advantage they can find =) |
| 23:02.29 | Xuerian | Whatever gets your rocks off, I guess |
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| 23:16.37 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't be such a big deal if follower abilities weren't so randomized |
| 23:17.23 | Mr_Rabies | if you've got one follower with enchanting and they carry two unique abilities no other followers have, and you have literally 8 followers that can counter timed battles |
| 23:17.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's frustrating |
| 23:17.53 | Mr_Rabies | all but like 2 of my epic followers can counter timed battles |
| 23:18.07 | Mr_Rabies | gonna be rerolling some like crazy |
| 23:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | like, my rulkan is a worse version of milhouse manastorm |
| 23:19.47 | Mr_Rabies | my milhouse can counter minion swarms and timed battles, and has an epic mount |
| 23:20.04 | Mr_Rabies | my rulkan can counter the same but her traits are lame |
| 23:28.36 | Mr_Rabies | if they fix it they should also make them finish work orders twice as fast or something to compensate, and/or have followers gain xp from working on a building |
| 23:29.53 | Simca | i would use the trick but all of my people with profession traits have abilties and traits i already have covered 10 times over, so there is no reason to put in the effort to switch them in and out of working mode |
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| 23:34.37 | Dagmar | I already got my workers to 100 anyway. *shrug* |
| 23:34.49 | Dagmar | I thought it might help their rather lackluster productivity |
| 23:37.17 | Mr_Rabies | mine aren't |
| 23:37.44 | foxlit | I solved that problem by having lame trade skills |
| 23:38.50 | foxlit | rewards from enchanting/alchemy are such that I didn't particularly care about filling those work orders, let alone having a follower anchored to those buildings |
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| 23:42.34 | Mr_Rabies | ive got like 2 that can tank heavy damage or whatever and like 2 that can do deadly minions |
| 23:42.39 | Mr_Rabies | but like 8 that can do timed battle |
| 23:43.05 | Mr_Rabies | i wish it was less random :( |
| 23:44.11 | kullervo | foxlit: enchanting has crystals from dust which is good since there's dust coming in from doors and windows |
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| 23:54.48 | Fisker | Enchanting one is at least worth it now foxlit |
| 23:56.05 | Fisker | I was asked why I didn't do work orders for them, and 150g per 10/20% temporal crystal isn't great |
| 23:58.13 | kullervo | how many dust is it per work order? 5? |
| 23:58.41 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:58.55 | kullervo | That's 15g on my realm and a temporal crystal costs 500 |
| 23:59.12 | kullervo | so it's minimum net gain of 35g |
