| 00:00.29 | mikma | fewyn: http://mikma.reaktio.net/wow/addons/mStatWeight_v1_60000.zip |
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| 00:50.37 | Semlar | is that what you're into neffi |
| 00:52.19 | Neffi | yes, Semlar |
| 00:52.21 | Neffi | how about it? |
| 00:52.29 | Neffi | also, karl_w_w: https://www.change.org/p/target-withdraw-the-holy-bible-this-sickening-book-encourages-readers-to-commit-sexual-violence-and-kill-women |
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| 01:31.45 | karl_w_w | I hope you signed Neffi :P |
| 01:33.06 | Neffi | I don't really trust them not to sell my email |
| 01:33.18 | Neffi | meh, actually, I'll give 'em my junk email |
| 01:33.23 | Neffi | it's a good cause after all! |
| 01:34.29 | Neffi | wait, wtf, why do I need to put in my address? |
| 01:35.38 | Neffi | this is the greatest thing ever and I'm going to build it right now http://i.imgur.com/B5tmJ2K.webm |
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| 01:38.24 | Simca | what does it do? |
| 01:39.10 | Neffi | it kills cats, mostly |
| 01:39.15 | Simca | apparently |
| 01:39.17 | Neffi | :( |
| 01:40.35 | Semlar | it's a cleaver attached to a servo, which looks like an accident waiting to happen |
| 01:43.24 | karl_w_w | fucking gifv grumble grumble |
| 01:44.13 | karl_w_w | oh look I can't pause it |
| 01:44.24 | karl_w_w | pausing video is too high tech for imgur |
| 01:44.27 | Semlar | why would you be able to pause it |
| 01:44.34 | Semlar | it's a super gif |
| 01:44.36 | Neffi | don't use a shitty browser? |
| 01:44.43 | Neffi | hint: right click -> show controls |
| 01:44.49 | Semlar | actually that's a good point, i can pause it just fine |
| 01:45.16 | Semlar | can you imagine, one day they'll invent a way to add sound to these |
| 01:45.18 | Neffi | they only support webm in short macro form. it's not intended as a video, but as a more compressible gif replacement |
| 01:45.22 | karl_w_w | why would i want to show controls |
| 01:45.43 | karl_w_w | if it was just the webm without their bollocks on it I would just be able to click it |
| 01:45.54 | karl_w_w | and i wouldnt have to fuck around with right click menus |
| 01:46.04 | Semlar | but but it's supposed to be a gif |
| 01:46.23 | karl_w_w | and the controls go away when you resume |
| 01:46.26 | karl_w_w | that is amazing |
| 01:47.04 | Neffi | that's browser-defined, btw |
| 01:47.06 | Neffi | blame Chrome |
| 01:47.29 | karl_w_w | I would, but I don't use it :P |
| 01:47.40 | Neffi | then blame your browser |
| 01:48.05 | karl_w_w | why, it works just fine on webms |
| 01:51.26 | Simca | having controls shown by default on an extremely short extremely low res video clip is a bad idea |
| 01:51.32 | Simca | anyone in design would tell you that |
| 01:54.45 | karl_w_w | they only show if you mouse over it |
| 01:55.14 | Semlar | are you a control freak |
| 01:56.54 | karl_w_w | i dont know |
| 01:58.13 | karl_w_w | are imgur the control freaks for thinking they know better than everyone else? |
| 01:58.39 | Semlar | why you gotta have control over everything |
| 02:00.46 | karl_w_w | I don't |
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| 02:48.56 | airtonix_ | umad? |
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| 06:22.17 | Primer | Why can't raid frames see ready checks unless you're in group when /raidinfo sees them just fine? |
| 06:22.22 | Primer | err |
| 06:22.33 | Primer | s/you're in group/have assit/ |
| 06:33.40 | nebula169 | they removed the api restriction a long time ago, just haven't updated code in the default ui for it |
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| 06:52.44 | Primer | nebula169: well, I'm concerned only with PB4 |
| 06:52.48 | Primer | so get on that |
| 06:52.50 | Primer | thanks |
| 07:21.40 | nebula169 | Primer: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/files/9190-v4-0-0-beta54-13-g1ac9a4f/ |
| 07:26.32 | airtonix | johnkevinmbasco: yeah think so |
| 07:26.39 | airtonix | mistype |
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| 07:47.55 | Aeridel | I created my first wow addon and have a question regarding the packager. Is anyone around that might be able to help? |
| 07:51.19 | hizuro | hmm... so quiet here.... maybe the wrong time of day ^^ |
| 07:52.45 | hizuro | 3-7 hours earlier... i see more activity here... |
| 07:53.35 | hizuro | my chatclient is 24/7 online in 3 channels ^^ |
| 07:53.45 | Aeridel | definitely understandable, it is pretty late where i am |
| 07:54.30 | hizuro | on my clock it is 8:53 ^^ |
| 07:54.47 | hizuro | in the morning ^^ |
| 07:56.51 | hizuro | oh... pacific time is 23:56 ^^ thats really late... |
| 08:00.11 | hizuro | or you try it in #wowace ^^ |
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| 08:06.03 | jnwhiteh | morning all |
| 08:08.12 | Simca | Aeridel: i know a few things; what's up |
| 08:11.36 | Aeridel | hey |
| 08:11.44 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 08:11.51 | Aeridel | so the problem i'm having is related to my addon MissionMinder |
| 08:12.07 | Mr_Rabies | does master plan consider epic followers when it's looking at xp gained? |
| 08:12.12 | Aeridel | and this packager log http://wow.curseforge.com/paste/11111/ |
| 08:12.31 | Mr_Rabies | oh i see how it's doing it |
| 08:13.21 | Aeridel | the problem is that the packager log seems to have written 2 zip files of the same name (second overwriting the first) |
| 08:13.34 | Aeridel | the second however was the nolib version which is now the only one it created |
| 08:13.37 | Aeridel | whats up with that |
| 08:13.56 | nebula169 | packager is fragile, you played too rough |
| 08:14.59 | nebula169 | can poke Torhal to poke at it |
| 08:15.12 | Aeridel | it was my first time, hopefully it won't hold it against me |
| 08:16.32 | Mr_Rabies | i don't much see the reason to get followers past 630, is there a reason? |
| 08:16.43 | nevcairiel | 645 unlocks raid missions |
| 08:16.57 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i haven't gotten any that require 645 yet, i don't think |
| 08:16.58 | nebula169 | guy in our guild has 9 at 650 x.x |
| 08:17.01 | Mr_Rabies | and i have several followers there |
| 08:17.24 | nebula169 | assume that's as high as you get until foundry? |
| 08:17.42 | nevcairiel | you can get to 655 if you wish, but anything above 645 is wasted more or less |
| 08:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | getting one to 650 gets you an achieve i think? |
| 08:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | i've got too many with no ilvl requirement |
| 08:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | does that mean i have too many <615? |
| 08:20.20 | Mr_Rabies | i really hate how much of garrisons are entirely weird gamey things with no real predicting behavior, just learning the rules |
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| 08:20.43 | Mr_Rabies | i love my garrison but |
| 08:21.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's like a totally different game, almost nothing happens in garrisons like it does elsewhere |
| 08:22.36 | Mr_Rabies | oh hmm |
| 08:22.42 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't gotten a raid yet, apparently |
| 08:22.47 | Mr_Rabies | my longest mission has been 24 hours |
| 08:36.24 | Mr_Rabies | 8 of my followers can counter timed battle |
| 08:36.25 | Mr_Rabies | geez |
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| 08:56.44 | Shirik | http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/83/16/e03776cf08af52e559db1a03586a1d29.jpg |
| 08:58.18 | Simca | LOL |
| 09:01.48 | Mr_Rabies | rest xp should totally work the garrison "XP Item" |
| 09:01.59 | Mr_Rabies | i totally don't want to level an army of alts without leaving their garrisons or anything |
| 09:02.01 | Mr_Rabies | i promise |
| 09:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | <_< >_> |
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| 09:45.05 | Mr_Rabies | man i don't even know why i bother with ashran |
| 09:45.20 | Mr_Rabies | all that ever happens when i do the daily there is i lose all my quest items and then hearth out |
| 09:52.23 | karl_w_w | by chance does anyone have an unmodified ms office 2007 enterprise disc/installer? |
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| 09:59.56 | karl_w_w | maybe I found it, fingers crossed that this 1 hour download leads me to the promised land |
| 10:07.10 | Primer | Does anyone know of an addon that tracks battle rez? |
| 10:07.26 | Primer | I just can't seem to find an updated one |
| 10:09.13 | nevcairiel | ora3 has it as feature, and i think i saw a broker addon for it too |
| 10:09.13 | nebula169 | i made http://www.wowace.com/addons/broker_battleres/ |
| 10:09.40 | nevcairiel | does that work for people who dont have a rez cooldown themself? |
| 10:09.56 | nebula169 | what do you mean? |
| 10:10.12 | nevcairiel | usually people track it by looking at the actual ress spells and its cooldown |
| 10:10.13 | Primer | I'm on my priest ATM |
| 10:10.18 | nevcairiel | but not every class has one |
| 10:10.22 | Primer | I want to see whose is up and when |
| 10:10.34 | nevcairiel | Primer: there is no such thing as "whose" |
| 10:10.49 | Primer | explain |
| 10:10.52 | nevcairiel | all battle ress share a central charge/cooldown |
| 10:10.56 | nebula169 | oh, yea, when you're in an encounter all brez spells show their charges, so anyone that does, eg, GetSpellCharges(20484), gets the global res cd |
| 10:11.10 | Primer | so all will be up, it's just a timer then |
| 10:11.13 | Primer | got it |
| 10:11.26 | nevcairiel | but also to note that when one uses it, all go on cooldown |
| 10:11.34 | nevcairiel | until the next charge recharges |
| 10:12.28 | nevcairiel | its an extension on previous (rather opaque) system from MoP, where there also was a limit on number of brez per fight, but it was never shown anywhere in the UI, so it was just guessing |
| 10:12.44 | nevcairiel | now, you start with 1 brez ready, and the cooldown depends on the number of people in your group |
| 10:12.48 | nevcairiel | more people, faster re-charging |
| 10:13.19 | nevcairiel | i forgot the actual numbers |
| 10:13.52 | nebula169 | cd = 90 / groupsize * 60 |
| 10:17.14 | karl_w_w | that can't be right |
| 10:17.28 | karl_w_w | so if you're in a 10 man group the cd is 0.15? |
| 10:17.35 | karl_w_w | .15 what, minutes? |
| 10:17.57 | nebula169 | you did math wrong, there are no parens |
| 10:18.21 | karl_w_w | ah yes |
| 10:18.25 | nebula169 | 90 / groupsize = cd in minutes * 60 = cd in sec |
| 10:18.43 | Arrowmaster | well that was one hell of a night |
| 10:18.54 | karl_w_w | in my defense i have slept about 5 hours in the last 3 days |
| 10:24.17 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/0zFE1nRU this animation is doing this http://i.imgur.com/h9SdMpa.gif |
| 10:24.30 | Semlar | how do i make it not do that |
| 10:24.51 | Constie | Very carefully. |
| 10:26.04 | Semlar | every time the animation resets for the bounce it seems to just break |
| 10:30.59 | Neffi_ | go to sleep Semlar |
| 10:31.03 | Semlar | FIX IT |
| 10:31.09 | Semlar | this is driving me insane |
| 10:31.19 | Neffi_ | I'm way too drunk to fix anything right now |
| 10:31.24 | Semlar | do iiiiiiit |
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| 10:47.58 | Semlar | don't worry neffi, i solved it http://pastebin.com/wcxEKxwQ |
| 10:50.48 | Stanzilla | what is that for, Semlar |
| 10:51.02 | Semlar | the fact that the stupid BOUNCE animation doesn't appear to work |
| 10:51.29 | Stanzilla | no I mean |
| 10:51.30 | Stanzilla | what addon |
| 10:51.44 | Semlar | i'm putting little arrows over all the flight points on my map so they stand out more |
| 10:52.14 | mikma | semlar's bouncing... hmm |
| 10:52.15 | Stanzilla | can you make me an addon that shows the questionmark for in-turnable quests on the flight and continent map? |
| 10:52.47 | Semlar | well, i just replaced the flight map with the world map |
| 10:52.54 | mikma | someone in general was asking for an addon that will show all the quests in the world |
| 10:52.57 | mikma | pff |
| 10:53.07 | Stanzilla | well |
| 10:53.10 | Stanzilla | I dont allow cheating |
| 10:53.16 | Stanzilla | also the other feature would be nice :< |
| 10:53.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/IBqhz7F.jpg |
| 10:53.44 | mikma | semlar: is this for all inactive flightpaths? |
| 10:53.53 | Semlar | no this is literally the flight map |
| 10:54.35 | Semlar | i was tired of having a quest somewhere and not being able to see what the closest flight path was |
| 10:54.51 | Semlar | so when i go to the flight master it just brings up my world map and i can click on the flight point there |
| 10:55.02 | mikma | semlar: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/poff.gif |
| 10:55.22 | Semlar | tries to calm mikma down |
| 10:56.06 | Stanzilla | pretty please? :< |
| 10:57.44 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/qCk2zGH.jpg maybe i should turn them off for the continent view |
| 10:58.03 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 10:59.31 | mikma | semlar: maybe for active paths :P |
| 10:59.40 | Semlar | i don't know what you mean |
| 10:59.48 | Semlar | this only shows flight paths you have |
| 11:00.09 | mikma | doesn't sort out the flightpaths you already know? |
| 11:01.41 | Semlar | it shows where you can fly to |
| 11:01.49 | Semlar | and you click on the icon and you fly there |
| 11:02.55 | mikma | ... but does the game give you any information about already active(known) flightpaths and non-active ones? |
| 11:04.06 | Semlar | every flight point is marked on the map as a landmark |
| 11:04.20 | Semlar | red or yellow shoes |
| 11:08.29 | Constie | I'm tired of that, too. |
| 11:16.06 | Neffi_ | Semlar: I can;t read that. ot's all blurry |
| 11:16.44 | Semlar | you're blurry |
| 11:16.55 | Neffi_ | yea i feel blurry |
| 11:17.08 | Neffi_ | I swear i'm never dreinking again |
| 11:19.52 | mikma | you need to drink until you think you are dying |
| 11:19.57 | mikma | then you can say that again |
| 11:20.31 | Semlar | what is the easiest way to determine if the current map is the current continent |
| 11:22.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm no expert but probably take a screenshot, print it out, and run it through OCR software, that then types an addon on the fly based on the zone |
| 11:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | i've found that usually the best way to get the right answer is to first give the most wrong answer |
| 11:24.35 | Semlar | that might work |
| 11:24.55 | Mr_Rabies | people will climb over each other to correct a mistake |
| 11:25.05 | Semlar | yeah it works out pretty well |
| 11:25.06 | Mr_Rabies | (not in here, you guys are cool) |
| 11:25.30 | Mr_Rabies | except fisker |
| 11:25.32 | Mr_Rabies | he's a punk |
| 11:25.41 | Mr_Rabies | hasn't told me hey in months |
| 11:30.11 | Neffi_ | hey is for horses |
| 11:36.13 | Fisker | Sorry, hey Mr_Rabies |
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| 12:09.32 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.53 | foxlit | cue Auchenai Soulpriest. |
| 12:11.17 | mikma | foxlit: lolz |
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| 12:27.45 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.03 | Constie | Excellent. |
| 12:30.53 | VIad | perfect Semlar |
| 12:31.30 | VIad | Semlar: do you know if one can read info about an items model, display, e.g.? wonder if you can with some widgets... hmm |
| 12:31.51 | Semlar | not as far as i know |
| 12:32.19 | VIad | we need better API for transmogs :( |
| 12:32.23 | VIad | hard to say what you got and not |
| 12:32.28 | VIad | since items can share appearances |
| 12:34.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.25 | VIad | math! :D |
| 12:35.27 | VIad | btw CARBONITE? |
| 12:35.31 | VIad | if not GIEF |
| 12:35.52 | Semlar | not carbonite |
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| 12:36.55 | Semlar | alright, the text in the chat appears to be outputting random numbers for how many artifacts i'm actually looting |
| 12:37.55 | VIad | share Semlar - I want your map addon :3 |
| 12:38.04 | Semlar | :| |
| 12:38.12 | Semlar | mine! |
| 12:38.31 | VIad | ! |
| 12:39.20 | Semlar | it doesn't support minimap buttons and doesn't draw right half the time since they changed how things get layered in WoD |
| 12:40.03 | VIad | :( |
| 12:40.35 | Semlar | i'm not fixing it because i don't care |
| 12:41.11 | Semlar | it's a huge pain in the ass to get scrollframes to layer children correctly now |
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| 12:49.56 | Sharparam | hm |
| 12:50.01 | Sharparam | when is GOSSIP_CONFIRM fired? |
| 12:50.36 | Sharparam | "Fires when the player is requested to confirm a gossip choice" |
| 12:50.53 | Sharparam | maybe detecting the bodyguard "send away" gossip isn't so difficult after all |
| 12:51.17 | Semlar | hm i don't watch that event and my addon automatically accepts every gossip option presented to it |
| 12:51.51 | Semlar | oh that's probably for something with an extra dialog box |
| 12:51.52 | Sharparam | are you watching for the staticpopup or something then? |
| 12:52.09 | Semlar | no i wouldn't automatically accept something with a confirmation dialog |
| 12:52.12 | Sharparam | when you press the gossip option to send a bodyguard back you get a staticpopup with "Are you sure?" |
| 12:58.27 | Sharparam | if GOSSIP_CONFIRM_CANCEL is fired when the confirm is cancelled in any way... this will be quite easy :3 |
| 12:58.31 | Sharparam | going to find out |
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| 13:26.01 | Sharparam | CONFIRM_CANCEL never seems to fire... |
| 13:36.00 | Sharparam | easy enough |
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| 13:36.45 | Sharparam | listen for GOSSIP_SHOW, set bool to true if gossip is bodyguard gossip. listen for GOSSIP_CONFIRM and set a bool for the confirm showing. hook StaticPopupDialogs["GOSSIP_CONFIRM"].OnAccept and set status to inactive if called |
| 13:36.46 | Sharparam | :D |
| 13:37.18 | Semlar | make sure you only ever hook that once |
| 13:37.36 | Sharparam | the hooksecurefunc is called in the main file, and that's only ran once right? |
| 13:37.53 | Sharparam | since it returns if NewLibrary has been called already |
| 13:38.28 | Sharparam | unless it's replacing a newer version, hm |
| 13:38.37 | Sharparam | older* |
| 13:39.10 | mikma | semlar: if i'm showing the prio of stats in CharacterFrame, is calling addon "StatWeight" a good idea? any other ideas for the name? |
| 13:39.37 | mikma | semlar: http://pasteboard.co/2dGxAtIn.jpg |
| 13:40.00 | mikma | that's old picture, now it shows the numbers in purple and after the text |
| 13:40.04 | Sharparam | if an old version of a library exists and i'm getting the library table from NewLibrary, is the old table discarded? |
| 13:40.17 | nevcairiel | you get the same table again |
| 13:40.25 | VIad | why can't we have one macro for a tier of talents? :( |
| 13:40.31 | Sharparam | so i need some kind of flag for if the function is hooked |
| 13:40.47 | Sharparam | i guess i can save it in the lib table then |
| 13:40.53 | Semlar | you can have one macro for a tier of talents |
| 13:41.32 | Semlar | there's a condition for what talent you have |
| 13:41.33 | nevcairiel | how to do it is just not very intuitive |
| 13:42.06 | Semlar | also when i switch between barrage and glaive toss they just replace each other on my action bar |
| 13:42.11 | Semlar | i don't even need a macro for it |
| 13:42.26 | nevcairiel | that usually works, but not always |
| 13:42.35 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.41 | VIad | ah it probably stucks if spell is invalid |
| 13:42.45 | nevcairiel | sometimes i can see the icon switch, but when i try to use it i get an error about now knowing the spell |
| 13:43.13 | Semlar | that only happened for me when i had the old spell on my hotbar from before WoD |
| 13:43.32 | nevcairiel | that may as well have been the case |
| 13:43.51 | Semlar | should fix it by just dragging the new spell onto the bar |
| 13:43.52 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FminiStatWeight%2FminiStatWeight.lua :( too bad blizzard doesn't have proper GlobalStrings for all of the stats |
| 13:44.00 | Sharparam | so this should work without hooking multiple times? https://gist.github.com/Sharparam/ea5ceee2ed7ddf3e2e83 |
| 13:44.07 | Sharparam | (this code is at file scope) |
| 13:46.35 | Constie | For some talent tiers there's also a spell you can put in a macro that changes to whatever talent you have selected, like for instance Priests can use "/use Divine Burst" for Cascade, Divine Star, or Halo. |
| 13:46.59 | nevcairiel | many tiers have that, one of those "meta" spells |
| 13:47.20 | nevcairiel | which is really kinda annoying when you try to match action bar spells to spell book spells, since they dont line up anymore |
| 13:47.57 | Constie | I think this is all of them: http://pastebin.com/Nnh0H6Fd |
| 13:48.19 | Constie | Seems to be tiers that are all actively used spells. |
| 14:00.09 | Sharparam | bah |
| 14:00.49 | Sharparam | stupid alliance |
| 14:01.06 | Sharparam | i aggrod some human paladin and pointed at vivianne, wanting him to kill her |
| 14:01.10 | Sharparam | he proceeds to kill me |
| 14:01.15 | Constie | How rude. |
| 14:01.36 | nevcairiel | how would he know wtf you wanted from him |
| 14:01.51 | nevcairiel | just get a mob to do it, much more controllable aggro |
| 14:01.51 | Sharparam | i didn't attack him and jumped around vivianne, who was attacking him :P |
| 14:01.54 | Semlar | yeah, you might have wanted him to kill you |
| 14:02.08 | Sharparam | yeah but i went to spires which has low lvl mobs, should've gone to nagrand |
| 14:02.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.13 | Sharparam | bah |
| 14:08.20 | Sharparam | vivianned dies, i'm wondering why the debuff isn't detected |
| 14:08.25 | Sharparam | made a type on the pattern |
| 14:08.48 | Sharparam | (%w%s)+ instead of ([%w%s]+) |
| 14:38.47 | VIad | can't an addon do follower stuff auto for you? ;D |
| 14:38.57 | VIad | i.e. set up preferences based on what missions you can get, what you wanna level, e.g. |
| 14:39.00 | VIad | and make it just automate |
| 14:57.23 | karl_w_w | oh yes, double scavenger on a mission for 175 resources (875 total), 100% success chance |
| 15:00.36 | fewyn | sigh tier 3 garrison instances are dead |
| 15:02.01 | Stanzilla | foxlit: guild mate suggested masterplan could take in consideration how good followers could be when upgraded, meaning tell the user which follower would fit best for the mission if you upgraded it |
| 15:04.10 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.13 | Sharparam | hm, interesting |
| 15:04.19 | Sharparam | i had Leorajh as bodyguard |
| 15:04.28 | Sharparam | i aggroed an elite in nagrand, it killed leorajh |
| 15:04.38 | Sharparam | then a few seconds later, Leorajh respawned and despawned again |
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| 15:17.41 | foxlit | Simca: http://i.imgur.com/k4h2Yvr.png ? |
| 15:18.18 | foxlit | isn't that just working correctly? |
| 15:18.20 | Simca | there are five buffs there in reality |
| 15:18.32 | Simca | every member of that party has death fascination |
| 15:19.01 | Simca | i did the calculations myself on the bonus XP amount and the success rate is right as if there were four death fascinations active |
| 15:19.07 | Simca | but the UI shows 3. |
| 15:19.26 | foxlit | success rate overflowed the moment there were two. |
| 15:19.49 | Simca | sure but i just extended it out and calculated bonus XP from it |
| 15:20.01 | Simca | it's just base XP * success rate |
| 15:20.14 | foxlit | and why is 4 even a reasonable answer here? |
| 15:20.21 | foxlit | heh, ogre. |
| 15:21.46 | foxlit | here's the thing: the API considers there to be a total of 4 buffs, not 5. |
| 15:22.58 | Simca | so the only part working correctly is the internal calculations of the function that returns success % and bonusXP |
| 15:23.05 | Simca | that's unfortunate |
| 15:23.27 | foxlit | I'd say that's the part that is broken. |
| 15:23.42 | foxlit | The phrasing is "increases blah when on a mission with a (race)", yeah? |
| 15:24.01 | Simca | nah if i replaced dagg with millhouse manastorm (who also has death fasincation) |
| 15:24.06 | Simca | it shows 4 death fasincations |
| 15:24.16 | Simca | it just doesn't understand 4 + the exp buff |
| 15:24.25 | nevcairiel | how can there be 4, does it double-dip when there is two undeads? |
| 15:24.27 | Simca | yes |
| 15:25.15 | foxlit | in any case, the buff frames are dynamically created: http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/19116/Blizzard_GarrisonUI/Blizzard_GarrisonMissionUI.lua#922 |
| 15:25.25 | foxlit | so it's not like it's running out of them. |
| 15:25.47 | nevcairiel | the api may limit it for $reasons |
| 15:26.53 | foxlit | so I have 3 ally of argus in a party with 2 draenei, and that results in 3 ally buffs. |
| 15:27.19 | Simca | odd |
| 15:29.23 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/ally.jpg |
| 15:30.03 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/9QLSiP0.png millhouse has it, middle undead doesn't, right one is too low level |
| 15:30.06 | Simca | still shows 2 |
| 15:30.45 | Simca | i don't see a pattern to why it sometimes shows it and sometimes doesn't |
| 15:30.53 | foxlit | "too low level"? |
| 15:31.14 | Simca | she's 93 and it's level 100; nothing she has should apply, right? |
| 15:31.28 | foxlit | party buffs apply regardless of level, I think. |
| 15:31.29 | Simca | or are traits immune to that restriction |
| 15:31.32 | Simca | weird. |
| 15:31.39 | foxlit | It's not like you'll lose epic mount because your follower is underlevel. |
| 15:32.01 | Simca | you should; that's the entire point of no other traits or abilities working underlevel |
| 15:33.33 | Simca | yeah you're right it is coming from the lowbie |
| 15:33.46 | Simca | it is 29% success with or without her in the party |
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| 15:35.33 | Simca | in 2 hours i'll be able to recreate the original party and figure it out for sure |
| 15:41.14 | Simca | really odd; i can't get the math to line up right for anything |
| 15:41.31 | Simca | i think they stealth nerfed racial traits |
| 15:42.51 | Simca | success rate for this mission last week with this setup would have been 33.33% |
| 15:42.55 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/mxBYXtg.png |
| 15:43.24 | Simca | they could have at least waited for me to get some highmaul gear :< lol |
| 15:44.35 | Simca | yeah, it was nerfed. it was worth 2x a normal trait |
| 15:44.39 | Simca | now it is worth 1.5x |
| 15:45.01 | Simca | accounting for that, the math comes out to 29.17%, which would agree with the screenshot |
| 15:53.42 | Simca | kind of wish i had more screenshots of success %s/bonus XP amounts from days past so i could be sure that it has changed and that i just didn't get it wrong originally |
| 15:54.01 | Simca | but i never bothered with racial traits much until recent |
| 16:03.29 | fewyn | sigh garrison instances are still acting up |
| 16:03.34 | fewyn | i really need to stop logging out in them |
| 16:12.31 | zenzelezz | man, sometimes when I make choices in Dragon Age, I get really surprised by my companions' reactions |
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| 16:23.44 | Xuerian | mikma: "Stat Hints" or something. |
| 16:25.17 | mikma | xuerian: yeah. cause nothing is weighted in this case :P |
| 16:30.04 | mikma | https://github.com/MikkoMajuri/miniStatHints/blob/master/miniStatHints.lua yey github, with long long time to learn how to do this stuff correctly |
| 16:33.21 | Xuerian | nice. |
| 16:39.27 | Jamash | I'm up 4W 0L in my free arena run :D |
| 16:39.39 | Jamash | priest got some a-ma-zing cards |
| 16:40.13 | Jamash | excellent healing synergy |
| 16:42.22 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 16:43.47 | Fisker | Any reason why I don't have the option to upgrade my follower when it has ilevel 651 armor? |
| 16:44.11 | foxlit | pick a random person in this channel and blame them. |
| 16:44.18 | Fisker | ok |
| 16:44.19 | foxlit | they likely told me that 650 was the maximum follower item level. |
| 16:44.27 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:44.36 | Fisker | hey bjelleklang |
| 16:44.39 | Fisker | I blame you |
| 16:44.49 | mikma | nice, dodged that bullet. carry on. |
| 16:44.56 | Fisker | I believe it's 655 btw |
| 16:47.12 | foxlit | spend all your upgrade icons on one follower... for science! :) |
| 16:47.49 | Stanzilla | foxlit: do you have a paypal donate button somewhere btw? |
| 16:48.01 | foxlit | nope. |
| 16:48.14 | Stanzilla | I have some friends that want to donate |
| 16:48.15 | Stanzilla | what to do |
| 16:49.17 | karl_w_w | license crawler is a super useful tool |
| 16:50.01 | karl_w_w | it finds and decrypts all the stored product keys in your registry so if you lose the disc it doesnt matter |
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| 17:01.31 | foxlit | Stanzilla: it's probably easier for me to thank them for the sentiment but decline. |
| 17:02.43 | Stanzilla | foxlit: let it be known that you are loved by many in my guild then |
| 17:02.57 | Xuerian | He should be wallowing in curse points anyway |
| 17:03.16 | Xuerian | (As he should, it's awesome) |
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| 17:05.41 | Thunder_Child | That's just because your guild does not know him. |
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| 17:07.17 | mikma | yeah |
| 17:08.15 | Fisker | nah foxlit |
| 17:08.22 | Fisker | I don't even have any :P |
| 17:08.39 | Fisker | I just wanted him to have average 645 but with a max of (supposedly) 655 I can't get to that |
| 17:09.15 | Fisker | since I need 656 :( |
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| 17:10.16 | Aeridel | I'm working on my first wow addon, and I'm having some issues with the packager. Might anyone be able to help me figure out whats going on? |
| 17:11.35 | Fisker | nobody at blizzard tested war mill work orders obviously |
| 17:12.03 | mikma | aeridel: what packager? :) |
| 17:13.21 | Aeridel | That's basically the problem in a nutshell. The CurseForge packager doesn't seem to want to run for me |
| 17:13.49 | mikma | ok, why do you exactly need the curseforge packager? |
| 17:14.08 | mikma | couldn't you just zip the addon and then upload it manually into curseforge (like i do) |
| 17:14.24 | Aeridel | I was looking to use the localization that they offer and the externals embedding |
| 17:14.38 | Aeridel | that's definitely an option, but I would rather use the packager if i can get it to work |
| 17:15.09 | mikma | sure, i can't be any help with the packager because i've never even touched it |
| 17:18.57 | Xuerian | mikma: Why? Because you can push a tag in git and have a project modulized, localized, changelogged, version-bumped, and published in one go |
| 17:19.17 | Xuerian | I mean, that is if it's working at the time, it's a bit tempermental. Aeridel, you might have better luck in #wowace with curse stuff |
| 17:19.52 | mikma | xuerian: i didn't know about these features, and like i said, never touched it |
| 17:19.57 | Aeridel | thankyou i'll try there |
| 17:20.12 | Xuerian | mikma: Just answering your question of "Why do you need it" |
| 17:20.42 | Stanzilla | Aeridel: ping Torhal or Kaelten if it stops working, they usually fix it |
| 17:20.47 | mikma | almost sounds like you coded it, xuerian! muah |
| 17:20.56 | Xuerian | Oh god no |
| 17:21.20 | Xuerian | It's just a continuous integration tool, pretty common in software development at this point |
| 17:21.48 | Xuerian | inb4 incorrect CI usage |
| 17:22.32 | Shirik | "pretty common in software development" |
| 17:22.42 | Shirik | I would phrase this as "if you're not using one, you're doing it wrong" |
| 17:23.20 | mikma | still not touching it, because torhal |
| 17:23.25 | Xuerian | waaaow |
| 17:23.26 | Xuerian | harsh |
| 17:23.26 | mikma | roflcakes |
| 17:25.43 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-investigating-calgarys-worst-driver-who-took-five-painful-minutes-to-leave-a-parking-spot |
| 17:27.10 | Cairenn | Seriously? |
| 17:27.11 | Fisker | my war mill shipment is ready foxlit wish me luck |
| 17:27.18 | Arrowmaster | see the canadian road rage gif? |
| 17:27.18 | Cairenn | This is just painful to watch. |
| 17:27.31 | Arrowmaster | https://i.imgur.com/N3qAHcj.jpg |
| 17:27.37 | Fisker | lol foxlit got one |
| 17:27.40 | Fisker | but only 3 ilevels :< |
| 17:27.41 | Fisker | not enough |
| 17:27.46 | mikma | shirik: is it a woman? |
| 17:27.52 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 17:27.57 | Cairenn | mikma: >< |
| 17:28.12 | Fisker | tackles Cairenn |
| 17:28.21 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 17:28.31 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 17:28.33 | Fisker | Yeah that ^^ |
| 17:28.49 | mikma | cairenn: oh c'mon, you know what i meant |
| 17:29.10 | Cairenn | Man, good thing that black car moved when it did, otherwise this person would have hit them as well |
| 17:29.19 | Cairenn | wtf are they doing now? |
| 17:29.33 | Cairenn | repeating the process, but in the other direction? |
| 17:29.36 | Cairenn | good lord |
| 17:30.01 | Cairenn | *boggle* |
| 17:30.07 | Arrowmaster | sometimes i think it takes me too long when im parallel parking but how can you be so bad at parking lots |
| 17:30.19 | Cairenn | fail |
| 17:30.24 | Cairenn | complete and utter |
| 17:30.30 | mikma | needs more benny hill music |
| 17:30.35 | Cairenn | yeah really! |
| 17:30.35 | Shirik | my only slightly plausible theory is that he has so much stuff in the back of his car that he can't see out the back |
| 17:30.49 | Cairenn | that's what side mirrors are for |
| 17:30.50 | Shirik | but even then you have side mirrors and at least some understanding of your surroundings |
| 17:31.03 | Cairenn | this is ... |
| 17:31.05 | Cairenn | wow |
| 17:31.14 | Cairenn | I'd be home already! |
| 17:31.23 | mikma | by walking |
| 17:31.33 | Cairenn | holy fuck balls |
| 17:31.59 | Cairenn | and now everyone discovered that (s)he'd hit the other car |
| 17:32.01 | mikma | not the worst thing i've watched today |
| 17:32.07 | Cairenn | good lord |
| 17:33.48 | mikma | oh there's a HD option |
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| 17:43.15 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/72f4NV4N << "write your UI in Lua," they said. "Nobody uses XML," they said. |
| 17:44.17 | Xuerian | "xml isn't any worse" he implies |
| 17:46.19 | mikma | foxlit: Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs... |
| 17:48.18 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/19116/HybridScrollFrame.xml#72 << the XML version. |
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| 17:48.59 | mikma | .. and that is better, how? |
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| 17:51.02 | foxlit | It has structure; the scope of things is much more clearly defined. |
| 17:51.44 | mikma | then do it in the xml and stop whining! |
| 17:53.43 | foxlit | whereas I have those local foo = bar statements that kind of just persist until the end of block. |
| 17:54.35 | fewyn | kargath was easy |
| 17:54.45 | fewyn | butcher is interesting |
| 17:57.56 | foxlit | mikma: it's less whining and more a safety check for "hey you fool, why aren't you writing it more elegantly like I did here?!" comments. |
| 18:00.15 | mikma | foxlit: you for one should know that fuck the whiners/stupid users :P do it as you please and what's the easiest |
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| 18:06.09 | fewyn | so no one got loot from the first two bosses in highmaul with personal loot on |
| 18:07.16 | Constie | That is some luck. |
| 18:09.19 | fewyn | it's the reason we are no longer going to use personal loot then |
| 18:09.33 | fewyn | because that's pretty bullshit |
| 18:16.30 | Ssateneth | why would you use personal loot in guild run lol |
| 18:16.57 | Ssateneth | you need to funnel the gear where it most benefits the raid instead of making the personal loot give loot to the wrong people or possibly have no loot at all |
| 18:17.45 | Ssateneth | i have no idea why people worship personal loot, its such a garbage system. its only benefit is to shift the blame of not getting loot from the ML to the server, so pugs can raid with less drama |
| 18:18.00 | Semlar | we use personal loot on normal mode |
| 18:18.09 | Semlar | you get a ton more gear |
| 18:18.20 | Semlar | and don't have to worry about dishing it out |
| 18:18.27 | Constie | It's faster and less effort. |
| 18:18.41 | Stanzilla | also best for 5mans |
| 18:19.22 | Ssateneth | i will never believe that PL gives more gear unless there is solid, undeniable proof, such as blues stating last boss of dungeons gives 5 pieces in PL and 3 pieces in other loot system |
| 18:19.46 | Constie | Blues could be lying! |
| 18:19.55 | Semlar | it's pretty obvious that it gives more loot |
| 18:20.01 | Stanzilla | last boss gives 5 items on PL |
| 18:20.20 | Stanzilla | 5 > 3 |
| 18:20.25 | Ssateneth | from a raiding perspective, why would trials get gear? PL will give them gear then they go "thanks for the gear, peace" |
| 18:20.29 | foxlit | I present to you the concept of last-boss-loot-saturation: you don't need any loot from the last boss. |
| 18:20.38 | Semlar | also the other bosses can drop multiple items, whereas on normal looting methods they can only drop one |
| 18:20.55 | Semlar | it can drop zero items, but almost always drops >= 1 item |
| 18:20.58 | Ssateneth | they -could- drop multiple items |
| 18:21.03 | Ssateneth | but they -could- also drop nothing |
| 18:21.19 | Ssateneth | there is just a perception of loot pinata when you get good RNG |
| 18:21.21 | Semlar | it doesn't even out though, it's way in favor of personal loot |
| 18:21.28 | Ssateneth | but when nothing drops, people shrug it off |
| 18:21.42 | Ssateneth | so people remember the loot pinatas and think "OMG SO MUCH LOOT, PL FOR LYFE" |
| 18:21.50 | Semlar | and with personal loot the people getting loot are guaranteed to get an item that is usable |
| 18:21.58 | Ssateneth | shrug |
| 18:22.06 | Semlar | instead of an item that nobody in the group could equip |
| 18:22.18 | fewyn | well with first two bosses not dropping loot it's pretty much a dead concept for guild runs now |
| 18:22.29 | Ssateneth | i refuse to do PL in my groups. why would I volunteer for a system that gives me stuff I don't need when someone else got nothing and could use the piece I won? and vice versa? |
| 18:22.37 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/JzFGLcj |
| 18:22.53 | A-KO|tablet | Ssateneth: Because that's not how PL works |
| 18:22.59 | Ssateneth | an item is not guaranteed to be usable if you already have better |
| 18:23.09 | Semlar | it's guaranteed to be for their spec |
| 18:23.12 | Semlar | and equippable |
| 18:23.14 | Ssateneth | i've gotten shit so many times that i can't use because i have better |
| 18:23.18 | Semlar | not necessarily better than what they have |
| 18:23.28 | Ssateneth | that is wasted loot |
| 18:23.29 | A-KO|tablet | Ssateneth: Whether or not you get an item on PL has absolutely no bearing on whether or not an item drops for another player |
| 18:23.31 | Semlar | and that is enough for me to say personal loot is better |
| 18:23.48 | Ssateneth | ok, so lets take this scenario |
| 18:24.24 | A-KO|tablet | The scenario is that PL is ALWAYS a better loot system |
| 18:24.25 | Ssateneth | lets take 19 fully geared mythic players. they don't need anything at all. they invite their blue geared friend to carry for gear |
| 18:24.26 | A-KO|tablet | ALWAYS |
| 18:24.39 | Ssateneth | you would agree PL would be better still? |
| 18:24.42 | A-KO|tablet | yes |
| 18:24.46 | A-KO|tablet | Absolutely |
| 18:24.48 | Ssateneth | lol |
| 18:25.18 | Semlar | conveniently you can switch the loot method if you have a full raid of people who don't need any gear but happen to still be running a particular raid |
| 18:25.25 | A-KO|tablet | You're winding up mixing the loot tables for no reason at all. They will ALWAYS have a better chance at getting loot with PL--period. Because you're not muddying the loot table. |
| 18:25.37 | Ssateneth | looooooooool |
| 18:25.42 | Ssateneth | i cant deal with this |
| 18:25.49 | Ssateneth | how many pieces drop in mythic? 5? |
| 18:25.57 | kd3 | dunno, mythic isn't out yet |
| 18:26.04 | Ssateneth | and theres 4 armor classes |
| 18:26.07 | Semlar | actually he's probably still right about personal loot being better even in that situation |
| 18:26.30 | Semlar | since there are so many possible items that can drop off a boss |
| 18:26.42 | A-KO|tablet | Though I haven't run numbers, I'm still guessing PL is a better option in all cases. Because whether or not YOU get shit in PL has ******NO BEARING**** on whether or not THAT player gets shit. |
| 18:26.49 | A-KO|tablet | period |
| 18:26.52 | A-KO|tablet | They're not even close to mixed |
| 18:26.56 | A-KO|tablet | it's a COMPLETELY separate RNG |
| 18:26.57 | Ssateneth | so thats like 1.25 pieces of gear you win per boss (a little less maybe due to weapon, trinkets, and accesspories being a little broader) |
| 18:27.12 | A-KO|tablet | Even if you collect 1000 pieces of garbage gear |
| 18:27.14 | Ssateneth | if you are being carried |
| 18:27.25 | A-KO|tablet | your 1000 pieces of garbage gear did not have any effect on the other player's obtaining of loot |
| 18:27.37 | A-KO|tablet | At all, in any way |
| 18:27.59 | Ssateneth | alright, you keep worshiping that PL system. have fun in normals / LFR |
| 18:28.36 | A-KO|tablet | I'm pretty sure Blizzard released PL to eventually completely replace the other loot systems |
| 18:28.45 | A-KO|tablet | Because it's how pretty much every other game works these days, including D3 |
| 18:28.52 | Constie | Personally I'm not terribly concerned about what's better for carrying someone or preventing those damn greedy trials from getting gear. |
| 18:29.03 | karl_w_w | my wow isnt showing me my fwends :( |
| 18:29.19 | Semlar | perhaps you don't have any |
| 18:29.27 | A-KO|tablet | The only thing that annoys me about the loot system right now is the fucking thing resetting every time we enter a new heroic to NBG |
| 18:29.41 | karl_w_w | that was my first assumption Semlar, but i have friends in the bnet app |
| 18:29.54 | Semlar | hmm |
| 18:30.56 | karl_w_w | trAshran |
| 18:33.29 | Ssateneth | I'm just saying, assuming 5 pieces of gear per boss with 4 armor classes (and a little more for weapons and accessories), that is, ON AVERAGE, OVER ONE PIECE of usable gear per BOSS. |
| 18:33.45 | Ssateneth | PL doesn't reward one piece of guaranteed loot per boss. |
| 18:33.49 | Ssateneth | the math doesnt lie |
| 18:34.32 | Semlar | you think in a 20 man raid on personal loot nobody is going to get an item? |
| 18:35.13 | nevcairiel | its within statistical probabilities |
| 18:36.00 | Semlar | if the rate of loot given out works out to be the same, personal loot is leagues ahead because it guarantees the people who GOT loot can use it |
| 18:36.06 | Ssateneth | I think in a 20 man raid where you funnel all usable gear to 1 person via ML, that person will come out FAR ahead in gear than jsut PL |
| 18:36.09 | A-KO|tablet | Semlar: exactly |
| 18:36.34 | Ssateneth | Semlar, ok, lets say you are fully mythic geared out. |
| 18:36.36 | A-KO|tablet | Ssateneth: But your raid will suck shit |
| 18:36.43 | Ssateneth | you run normal mode to help a friend |
| 18:36.52 | Semlar | even if only one person in the entire raid needed gear, personal loot would be better |
| 18:36.56 | Ssateneth | you get a piece of gear from PL |
| 18:36.59 | Ssateneth | Can you use it? |
| 18:37.06 | A-KO|tablet | I'm guessing PL and ML/NBG offer similar rates of return, with PL boosting slightly more because you can guarantee the person will use the item. |
| 18:37.23 | Ssateneth | no you cannot guarantee the person can use it |
| 18:37.28 | A-KO|tablet | Yes you can |
| 18:37.30 | Ssateneth | you are assuming he's fucking shit geared |
| 18:37.35 | nevcairiel | there is plenty crap loot on the loot tables |
| 18:37.35 | Ssateneth | what if he already has gear |
| 18:37.37 | Semlar | YOU'RE ASSUMING HE'S SHIT GEARED |
| 18:37.50 | Semlar | THAT'S THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF YOUR SITUATION |
| 18:38.17 | kd3 | looks for some popcorn |
| 18:38.32 | Ssateneth | so A-KO you are admitting you would equip a piece of 650 over a piece of 690 |
| 18:38.53 | A-KO|tablet | Ssateneth: You're assuming that an individual's RNG in PL has any bearing on the PL RNG of anyone else. This is not the case. I'm guessing the drop rate works out to be VERY close between the multiple loot systems, with the ADDED benefit that PL will drop ONLY things YOUR loot spec will use. |
| 18:39.03 | A-KO|tablet | Even if the stats are not your primary stats |
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| 18:39.31 | A-KO|tablet | Raw drop rate over an entire raid is PROBABLY pretty close, as far as overall loot gain for a raid. |
| 18:39.44 | A-KO|tablet | But PL has an edge up because for those that DO drop, it WILL be for their loot spec, even if it's off stats |
| 18:39.58 | Ssateneth | Lets say we got 5 plate classes in the raid (out of 20 people) |
| 18:40.08 | Ssateneth | Some shoulders drop |
| 18:40.08 | A-KO|tablet | If cloth drops in ML |
| 18:40.09 | A-KO|tablet | what happens? |
| 18:40.15 | A-KO|tablet | it gets DE'd |
| 18:40.16 | Ssateneth | 3 of them have better shoulders |
| 18:41.00 | A-KO|tablet | I'm saying, take the item stats out of the equation |
| 18:41.03 | A-KO|tablet | JUST on RAW drop rate alone |
| 18:41.05 | A-KO|tablet | no item stats |
| 18:41.11 | Ssateneth | But the system could have randomly awarded said shoulders (assuming it dropped at all in PM) to one of the geared people |
| 18:41.17 | Ssateneth | in PL* |
| 18:41.47 | Ssateneth | I'm done, this guys doesn't know math. |
| 18:41.49 | A-KO|tablet | How is this any different to a situation in which we DE'd so much gear during MC/BWL days? |
| 18:41.53 | Ssateneth | back to #simulationcraft |
| 18:42.07 | A-KO|tablet | The math points that PL is a better system, period. This is guaranteed. |
| 18:42.10 | A-KO|tablet | That's all that matters |
| 18:42.19 | A-KO|tablet | And the rest of the systems WILL be removed in time |
| 18:42.21 | A-KO|tablet | and that's going to happen |
| 18:42.30 | A-KO|tablet | Because it's in every game that drops loot |
| 18:42.39 | A-KO|tablet | In fact, I'm HIGHLY surprised Blizzard isn't RNGing primary stats |
| 18:42.59 | Sharparam | to update a healthbar depending on health ratio, this is suitable, right? frame.healthBar:SetTexCoord(0, ratio, 0, 1) |
| 18:43.20 | Sharparam | to make it go from right to left when health decreases |
| 18:43.26 | Sharparam | where ratio = health / maxHealth |
| 18:56.25 | fewyn | i used to have an addon that showed on the bonus loot roll frame what i could roll for, anyone remember what it was called? it was something weird |
| 18:56.35 | Constie | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22213-BonusRollPreview.html |
| 18:56.54 | fewyn | oh hey they changed the name to somehting reasonable |
| 18:58.42 | fewyn | thanks Constie |
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| 19:07.44 | Sharparam | hm |
| 19:08.02 | Sharparam | if i ignore the lib folder in .pkgmeta, will the packager still pull in externals and package those properly? |
| 19:08.22 | Sharparam | just so it doesn't package my local development versions of libraries |
| 19:08.38 | nevcairiel | you shouldnt commit those to the repository, ever |
| 19:09.02 | Sharparam | i have a git submodule for my libbodyguard package, so it links properly on github |
| 19:09.07 | Sharparam | library* |
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| 19:55.27 | Primer | Always getting a C stack overflow when inspecting people |
| 20:03.34 | zenzelezz | they're just too well equipped |
| 20:14.46 | Primer | Isn't that basically infinite recursion? |
| 20:15.08 | Primer | and shouldn't it be able to report what addon did it? |
| 20:18.14 | zenzelezz | doesn't have to be infinite, just a lot - but generally it's infinite |
| 20:18.23 | zenzelezz | think the stack by default is about 1 MB |
| 20:45.46 | Sharparam | progress: http://rfl.im/7V |
| 20:50.08 | tz | https://i.imgur.com/ctaKpCQ.png |
| 20:50.13 | tz | I guess I need more timed battle missions |
| 20:50.19 | tz | sighs |
| 20:50.27 | nevcairiel | haha i didnt think that was possible |
| 20:50.47 | nevcairiel | would be a prime candidate for re-rolling her |
| 20:50.56 | tz | most definitely |
| 20:51.17 | tz | if only I could get one of the reroll token missions |
| 20:51.48 | tz | also, since when do the upgrade tokens stack?!?! so much better now |
| 20:51.56 | nevcairiel | yesterday i think |
| 20:52.05 | tz | awesomesauce |
| 20:52.14 | Semlar | my friend also has both of those skills on their aeda brightdawn |
| 20:53.19 | Semlar | they were complaining about having 6 followers with timed battle counters |
| 20:53.38 | tz | I've got 8 |
| 20:53.51 | tz | deactivated a couple yesterday |
| 20:54.18 | tz | wait hang on, 8 danger zones |
| 20:54.23 | tz | I keep getting the icons confused |
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| 21:04.07 | Primer | ok, the C stack overflow actually does show which addon, it's InspectEquip |
| 21:04.17 | Primer | which is what I suspected anyhow |
| 21:08.38 | mikma | what the heck, toy train has been "fixed" |
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| 21:17.03 | bluipodcow | And now some combat log lols http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15538974231 |
| 21:20.27 | tz | how on earth |
| 21:20.43 | VIad | ashran is the worst designed zone in wod tbh :P |
| 21:21.02 | tz | been there twice, didn't care for it |
| 21:21.15 | VIad | feels like they just put everything that was individually "fun" into one area and when you join you just get put into a zone NO group and people in /1 spam "inv" for something they dont even know what is. |
| 21:21.27 | VIad | it's an endless tug of war in the middle that is wanna be AV vanilla but fails ofc. |
| 21:21.45 | VIad | and you got questing areas on the side like wtf? |
| 21:21.57 | VIad | its one zone several objectives none that you really find fun at all |
| 21:22.03 | VIad | if I wanna pvp and quest Ill go nagrand or something |
| 21:22.08 | VIad | plenty of pvp in the normal zones atm |
| 21:22.27 | VIad | its just a huge mess with no introduction and you have no clue what the heck you CAN do |
| 21:22.57 | VIad | all the praise it got from blizzcon I figured hey, sounds nice |
| 21:23.24 | VIad | in practice not so much at all |
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| 21:28.03 | Semlar | you could open a 1.4tb combat log file by reading it line by line, the whole thing doesn't need to be in memory |
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| 21:29.53 | VIad | Semlar: you can open a infinite large combat log and read it line by line :p |
| 21:30.10 | Primer | duh |
| 21:32.40 | karl_w_w | thats what i said Semlar |
| 21:33.02 | karl_w_w | dont tell him how long it would take to do so, I'd like to imagine him doing it |
| 21:33.50 | Constie | I'm just curious about this person who has presumably been logging 100% of the time since launch and is now for the first time wanting to do something with it. |
| 21:36.32 | bluipodcow | Wasn't there major combat log changes at some point ? IE file format stuff. |
| 21:36.47 | karl_w_w | what the fuck is with that forum MVP and his fucking obnoxious signature? |
| 21:37.33 | Primer | wow, windows fails so much |
| 21:37.53 | Primer | it's telling me "This folder is shared with other people..." when trying to delete the old wow beta directory |
| 21:38.05 | Primer | for EVERY .git/refs |
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| 21:38.18 | bluipodcow | I seem to recall it being unit name hits target name for x damage |
| 21:38.21 | Primer | with no option to "do this for all the others" |
| 21:39.56 | VIad | control clicking the yes/no usually repeated the action for other questions of the same nature |
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| 21:44.53 | karl_w_w | bluipodcow, you're a better green than this person |
| 21:45.12 | bluipodcow | lol |
| 21:45.36 | mikma | what? let me deal bluipodcow with tnt |
| 21:46.05 | bluipodcow | Why is colloquy beeping at me when I had it muted :( I trying to sleep :( |
| 21:46.25 | karl_w_w | beep |
| 21:46.35 | fewyn | boop |
| 21:46.50 | mikma | bluipodcow peep |
| 21:48.15 | mikma | blusleepingcow ZZZzzz... |
| 21:50.14 | blusleepingcow | Ok then you but Ng the hag I ff love l |
| 21:50.25 | blusleepingcow | Wat |
| 21:50.34 | blusleepingcow | Autocorrect fail |
| 21:52.09 | foxlit | foo:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", 420, bar:GetParent():GetTop() - bar:GetTop()) |
| 21:52.33 | foxlit | yet this doesn't align the TOP lines of foo and bar. Where did I lose a scaling factor? |
| 21:53.08 | blusleepingcow | Rights that highlight options turned off now. I think. Someone please lart me |
| 21:56.41 | mikma | purl: what is bluspacecow |
| 21:56.41 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, mikma |
| 21:56.55 | mikma | purl: bluspacecow is <reply>Ok then you but Ng the hag I ff love l |
| 21:56.55 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 21:57.39 | Sharparam | i must be misunderstanding how SetTexCoord works |
| 21:57.48 | Sharparam | if i do SetTexCoord(0, 0.5, 0, 1) |
| 21:58.00 | Sharparam | it looks the same as when it's 0, 1, 0, 1 |
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| 21:58.43 | Sharparam | oooh |
| 21:58.50 | Sharparam | i see |
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| 22:06.08 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/hg.jpg << wish there was a smaller hourglass texture I could use. |
| 22:08.41 | Maldivia | foxlit: make your own then? |
| 22:08.58 | Sharparam | hm |
| 22:09.10 | Sharparam | so how do i update the width of a healthbar? do i have to use setWidth and keep track of the max width |
| 22:09.37 | Sharparam | can't really find how it's done in blizzard ui |
| 22:09.53 | Sharparam | it seems to call HealthBar_UpdateValue but all that does is set the color... |
| 22:10.03 | foxlit | Maldivia: that's not a good proposition when weighing how it'd look against the amount of time it'd take. |
| 22:10.39 | Maldivia | foxlit: then find a CC licensed icon online? |
| 22:11.20 | bluipodcow | ~lart blusleepingcow |
| 22:11.20 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in blusleepingcow's direction, hitting blusleepingcow and sending blusleepingcow flying into the closet |
| 22:13.30 | Maldivia | foxlit: https://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=hourglass&price=free for instance? |
| 22:14.54 | foxlit | these would look more out of place than an orc in the middle of the stormwind throne room. |
| 22:15.32 | Neffi_ | but in my experience that's a wonderful sight, foxlit |
| 22:15.49 | Maldivia | foxlit: what about a clock icon then? |
| 22:17.41 | foxlit | i.e. https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/309091/alarm_clock_event_time_icon#size=32 |
| 22:17.49 | Fisker | do you still need science tomorrow foxlit ? |
| 22:18.27 | Maldivia | foxlit: for instance -- that could work ? |
| 22:18.47 | Constie | Maybe recolor it. |
| 22:21.04 | foxlit | maybe, maybe not. it's difficult to fit anything in what is essentially 24x24 pixels. |
| 22:23.38 | Neffi_ | umm, hmm http://imgur.com/gallery/DBQqNYI |
| 22:24.42 | mikma | foxlit: use the clock in stopwatch icon :P |
| 22:24.59 | foxlit | mikma: which stopwatch icon? |
| 22:25.06 | Seerah | https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/95136/hourglass_icon#size=45 not this one? |
| 22:25.44 | mikma | foxlit: press the time in minimap and see the clock icon |
| 22:25.45 | foxlit | Seerah: too large. |
| 22:26.00 | mikma | it's just a normal action button icon |
| 22:26.02 | foxlit | downscaling to 20x20 or 24x24 will wreck the fine details. |
| 22:26.02 | Seerah | then scale it down or resize the graphic :p |
| 22:26.37 | Seerah | no, it looked fine, zooming out with the browser |
| 22:34.11 | foxlit | mikma: that works, I think. |
| 22:34.41 | foxlit | I was icon of searching through ICONS for Time/Clock, while that was INV_Misc_PocketWatch_01 |
| 22:49.45 | VIad | I've always used icons from the game - like so many to pick from - ought to be one usable :D |
| 22:50.20 | foxlit | in totally unrelated news, follower gear is disenchantable. |
| 22:50.26 | mikma | viad: yeah... just open up a macro creating tools and see the list of icons.. pffff |
| 22:57.56 | foxlit | personally, I do this: http://go-hero.net/i/pzp-ico.jpg . But there are like 14k files in that folder. |
| 23:01.18 | mikma | heh, yeaaaaah. |
| 23:01.23 | mikma | that's not a bad one either |
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| 23:15.04 | Sharparam | forgot that there's a StatusBar frame type, so just using that instead :P |
| 23:15.11 | Sharparam | i can't get the text to be on top of it though... |
| 23:15.24 | Sharparam | statusbar texture layer is ARTWORK, and the FontString is OVERLAY |
| 23:16.40 | Sharparam | nvm, was creating the fontstring on base frame, rather than the statusbar :P |
| 23:17.29 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/7j |
| 23:17.30 | Sharparam | neat |
| 23:20.23 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/j5JYh5My << there, now it takes 5 seconds. |
| 23:20.58 | Jamash | foxlit: please, display the actual max chance of success, not the max chance of success that gives max xp |
| 23:21.13 | Jamash | foxlit: or at least multiply out the expected value before sorting |
| 23:21.41 | foxlit | Jamash: the max chance of success is 100%, by sending your epic followers on every mission. |
| 23:22.20 | foxlit | and I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "multiplying out the expected value". What do you think it does now? |
| 23:22.44 | Jamash | yes but what about when I have 100% chance with green, purple, blue and it doesn't display that because there's one purple on the team |
| 23:23.06 | Jamash | and instead displays 75% |
| 23:23.40 | Jamash | oh that is expected value |
| 23:23.42 | Jamash | derp |
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| 23:24.16 | Jamash | I still care more about mission success than I do about max xp |
| 23:24.25 | foxlit | why? |
| 23:25.04 | Jamash | for a mission that gives 900xp and 45g, I care more about the g than the xp |
| 23:25.55 | Jamash | especially when the expected xp delta is from 949 at 100% to 1,170 at 56% |
| 23:26.13 | Jamash | insignificant increase in expected xp at substantial decrease in expected gold |
| 23:26.29 | foxlit | we disagree about what qualifies as substantial gold, then. |
| 23:26.39 | Jamash | percentagwise |
| 23:26.49 | foxlit | 45g is, in absolute terms, peanuts. |
| 23:27.36 | Jamash | 221 xp < 45g |
| 23:27.58 | Jamash | or rather, 19.8g delta |
| 23:28.31 | jleclanche | foxlit: i wouldnt be against a setting to optimize for x over y, like garrison resources over gold over mission xp |
| 23:28.50 | Jamash | also, when it's garrison resources, and the difference is between "completing a building today" and "not completing a building today" the xp is utterly irrelevant |
| 23:29.05 | foxlit | and you'll notice that when it's garrison resources, it doesn't optimize for follower XP. |
| 23:29.08 | jleclanche | aye |
| 23:29.13 | Jamash | but it does for gold? |
| 23:29.27 | jleclanche | Jamash: it doesnt prioritize gold, but it does prioritize garrison resources right now |
| 23:29.30 | Jamash | odd |
| 23:29.33 | foxlit | For laughably small gold rewards like 45g, yes. |
| 23:29.46 | Jamash | also I prefer certainty over possibility anytime |
| 23:30.12 | jleclanche | foxlit: does it optimize to always complete patrol missions, btw? |
| 23:30.16 | Jamash | the only time I don't want it showing me the real maximum is if that would mean sending all epic max level followers on a mission that only rewards xp |
| 23:30.25 | jleclanche | foxlit: since those are required for the achievement |
| 23:31.03 | foxlit | I think you kind of complete that achievement without thinking about it. |
| 23:31.19 | jleclanche | maybe if you had the barracks from the get go |
| 23:31.25 | jleclanche | its trickier if you are already maxed out on 100s |
| 23:31.29 | Xuerian | Jamash: You've got pretty weird mission priorities. |
| 23:32.00 | Jamash | Xuerian: I think mine are perfectly rational and foxlit has his upside down |
| 23:32.25 | Xuerian | That much was obvious |
| 23:33.46 | foxlit | anyway, it doesn't do anything special for patrols. If you're actively working on that achievement, you can select the success-chance group suggestions if you want to. |
| 23:34.07 | jleclanche | i didnt see that was a thing |
| 23:34.16 | jleclanche | maybe im on an old version by now tho |
| 23:34.25 | Jamash | what I actually want is an options menu |
| 23:34.40 | Jamash | because different people want different things |
| 23:34.59 | jleclanche | can I have an option not to have an option menu? |
| 23:36.38 | Jamash | yes |
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| 23:37.22 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: did you see that potential quartz issue i linked you a while back? |
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| 23:54.15 | fewyn | [Excess Potion of Accelerated Learning] is pretty good glad i've been getting alts to my first garrison so i can farm the cache |
