| 00:07.03 | Sharparam | neat, http://rfl.im/7T |
| 00:09.12 | Simca_ | warning: speakers may pop at the beginning of the video |
| 00:09.28 | Sharparam | :O? |
| 00:09.35 | Sharparam | sound is always super low when i view them :P |
| 00:10.25 | Sharparam | apparently it made some sound artifact at the start |
| 00:13.29 | Shadowed | foxlit stop breaking things |
| 00:13.29 | Shadowed | 'ta |
| 00:13.36 | foxlit | moo? |
| 00:14.05 | mikma | shadowed: when your addon is ready? ;) |
| 00:14.09 | Shadowed | MP! |
| 00:15.21 | mikma | too much features causes too much errors :I |
| 00:15.49 | mikma | every second release has had some bag error poppin' up |
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| 00:30.16 | mikma | https://www.diatec.co.jp/en/det.php?prod_c=775 |
| 00:42.39 | znf | foxlit, when I scroll trough my follower list, I get this: |
| 00:43.14 | znf | foxlit, http://www.curseforge.com/paste/11101/ |
| 00:43.15 | znf | sorry :D |
| 00:43.43 | znf | oh, someone already said that above |
| 00:43.43 | znf | ok |
| 00:44.20 | Semlar | hey foxlit your addon's broken |
| 00:44.55 | foxlit | tries to calm Semlar down. |
| 00:44.59 | Semlar | >_> |
| 00:45.31 | foxlit | znf: duplicate of http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/tickets/76 ; fixed in 0.13. |
| 00:45.47 | znf | looks at his Curse client |
| 00:45.49 | tz | I personally would like to thank foxlit for putting up with all your guys' shit |
| 00:45.50 | znf | you have failed me! :( |
| 00:45.51 | tz | ;) |
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| 00:49.15 | mikma | semlar: tits |
| 00:49.30 | Semlar | you have my attention |
| 00:50.03 | mikma | ok then, nn! |
| 00:50.48 | mikma | EVERYTHING IS AWESOOOOME |
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| 00:54.16 | Thunder_Child | tz: '/ignore' makes everything easy. |
| 00:55.23 | mikma | tz: he should be happy that we care |
| 00:56.26 | fewyn | nooooo world server is down |
| 00:59.30 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkt1vAX0MRM meanwhile in sweden |
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| 01:03.25 | mikma | 100.000g for alliance chopper...? wtf have ppl at blizz lost the last of their sanity |
| 01:03.26 | Jamash | foxlit: Master Plan has no options screen. |
| 01:03.41 | Jamash | mikma: everyone knew it was going to be 100k |
| 01:04.18 | mikma | jamash: sure, but i repeat: what i said. lol |
| 01:04.42 | mikma | the game is going into more retardmode with every expansion |
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| 01:04.56 | Jamash | mikma: It's an MMO, I'm not sure what you expect. |
| 01:05.02 | mikma | here, have this cool garrison feature |
| 01:05.15 | mikma | oh btw, it's about 50.000g to upgrade it to max |
| 01:05.33 | Jamash | Also people are routinely charging for and getting tens of thousands of gold for epics, inflation has made 100k "expensive" not "insane" |
| 01:06.14 | mikma | to my current gold reservations, it's still insane |
| 01:06.21 | mikma | i have max 20k combined on all of my chars |
| 01:06.37 | nebula169 | if you've actually every tried to make gold, it's not hard |
| 01:06.40 | nebula169 | ever* |
| 01:06.49 | xyphoid | literally vendoring the gear you get from levelling and killing rares is probably 25k |
| 01:06.59 | Jamash | I just did a rare mission for 500g |
| 01:07.06 | mikma | xyphoid: and putting that same amount into garrison. |
| 01:07.11 | Jamash | gold basically falls out of the sky into your lap |
| 01:07.13 | mikma | nebula169: well? |
| 01:07.29 | Semlar | how could you possibly lose gold this expansion |
| 01:08.01 | nebula169 | well what? farm something, craft something, sell it |
| 01:08.27 | Jamash | I don't have a lot of ready cash, but I have a motorcycle, a vial of the sands, a traveler's mammoth and a sky golem so I've certainly *had* a lot of money |
| 01:08.29 | mikma | ok sure, that's possibly supereasy thing to do with the fucking engineering crap |
| 01:08.49 | mikma | especially with the annoying mats that are like 50 gears for a minipet.. whaaaatthafok |
| 01:09.03 | xyphoid | go solo naxx 25, that's 1000g |
| 01:09.10 | Semlar | the goggles sell for probably at least 10kg and your scopes should also sell |
| 01:09.17 | Jamash | here's what you need: https://theunderminejournal.com/ http://us.battle.net/wow/en/shop/mobile-armory/ |
| 01:09.32 | Semlar | i've done almost nothing in terms of trying to make gold this expansion and i'm still up 40kg |
| 01:09.56 | mikma | semlar: they sure do! and what about if i need to wear the goggles first and it costs 250 gears to make em :I and it's like 10 gears/day |
| 01:10.15 | Semlar | it costs 100 gears to make them |
| 01:10.20 | Semlar | and 20 gears to make a scope |
| 01:10.25 | Jamash | I've done zero auctioning and money's rolling in just from playing |
| 01:10.40 | mikma | semlar: needing to upgrade them, also |
| 01:10.52 | Semlar | well if you're trying to sell them you don't need to upgrade them |
| 01:10.53 | mikma | sure the money from playing is big. i admit it |
| 01:11.04 | mikma | but all that money goes straight into garrison on me |
| 01:11.19 | xyphoid | what are you even spending on your garrison |
| 01:11.35 | Semlar | plans and the garrison itself cost gold |
| 01:11.43 | mikma | maxin' the ranks of the important buildings. not changing them around, no. |
| 01:11.44 | Semlar | it was like 5kg to upgrade to level 3 |
| 01:11.48 | xyphoid | like are you buying all the plans or something |
| 01:11.55 | xyphoid | you get a bunch of free plans for questing |
| 01:11.57 | mikma | all rank 3 plans are 1000g each |
| 01:12.28 | mikma | xyphoid: yes, rank 1 and couple of rank 2 |
| 01:13.04 | mikma | rank 3 mine, rank 3 lumbermill, rank 3 salvage, rank 3 fishinghut (mistake) |
| 01:14.26 | xyphoid | wait you have caught 700 enormous fish and you don't have any money |
| 01:14.45 | mikma | no |
| 01:15.00 | mikma | rank 3 is obtained after you get 700 in fishing |
| 01:15.10 | mikma | nat pagle is obtained after 700 enormous fishes |
| 01:15.49 | mikma | and i have like... 7 enormous fishes caught :D |
| 01:20.50 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: wtf is this quartz doing this? https://mediacru.sh/BWAtj0UGeM7q.png |
| 01:22.42 | mikma | looks like its riding a crazy train |
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| 02:47.36 | Neffi | haha. the view count for Gangnam Style overflowed the int, and Youtube had to switch to a 64-bit int |
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| 03:10.47 | Kraps | Neffi: as a noob learning java, i get some of those words |
| 03:12.27 | Primer | I see that Charactermap was recently updated...and the patch that I supplied to it FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO still hasn't been applied! |
| 03:17.00 | Gnarfoz | the Highmaul Raid mission sticks around for 335 hours? neat |
| 03:18.23 | pompy | If anyone owns AC:U, http://assassinscreed.ubi.com/en-gb/news/news_detail.aspx?c=tcm:154-186654-16&ct=tcm:148-76770-32 |
| 03:19.04 | pompy | Gnarfoz: 2 weeks sounds fair |
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| 03:22.29 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Now I have 4K! |
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| 03:35.23 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Bueno! |
| 03:35.58 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: itâs purty - took a bit of cable swapping to get 60Hz working but itâs all good now. |
| 03:36.30 | Iriel | Now to decide if I run it unscaled or in OSX Retina mode |
| 03:36.46 | Thunder_Child | And how much it will hose your games. |
| 03:37.43 | Iriel | I game on a different machine |
| 03:37.54 | Iriel | Mostly, anyway |
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| 04:34.24 | Semlar | it seems like the butcher has a pretty tight enrage |
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| 04:36.07 | Neffi | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 04:36.14 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 04:36.28 | Neffi | yes Semlar ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 04:36.33 | Semlar | riot |
| 04:36.39 | Neffi | ok |
| 04:39.12 | kullervo | ã½( Ë ã® Ë)ã ã½(´â½ï½*)ã ã½(*´â½ï½)ã⪠|
| 04:39.40 | Neffi | somebody needs calming down, Semlar |
| 04:40.56 | Constie | We easily oneshot heroic Kargath, and then we hit The Butcher's berserk with like 30% health left four times in a row. Kind of uneven difficulty. |
| 04:45.01 | JTF195 | You mean his actual wipe-everyone berserk? Because he does soft-enrage at 30%. |
| 04:45.26 | Constie | The actual berserk. |
| 04:45.36 | JTF195 | hmm |
| 04:45.39 | Semlar | tries to calm kullervo down |
| 04:46.02 | kullervo | (ï¾ Â¯3¯)ï¾ ~( `д) |
| 04:46.46 | Neffi | O.O |
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| 04:57.25 | Wobin | Damnit |
| 04:57.34 | Wobin | I want to purchase the Argi pet as a gift |
| 04:57.39 | Wobin | but cannot |
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| 05:09.44 | Iriel | Wobin: thatâs odd isnât it |
| 05:10.34 | Wobin | yeah =\ |
| 05:10.56 | Wobin | I'd've hoped that the whole pet/gift mechanism was straightforward |
| 05:11.03 | Wobin | across all pets |
| 05:11.10 | Wobin | or all in game items, really |
| 05:11.25 | Wobin | Perhaps the charity thing is throwing a spanner in the works |
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| 06:36.46 | karl_w_w | http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/target-australia-pulls-grand-theft-auto-v-from-shelves-after-customer-feedback-on-violence-20141203-11znsz.html |
| 06:36.50 | karl_w_w | what a joke |
| 06:45.49 | Neffi | no, it's a news article but I see how you got confused |
| 06:46.51 | Neffi | really I don't get it though. I'm an equal opportunity psychopath though. when I play GTA, I kill virtual people of all genders without bias |
| 06:56.03 | karl_w_w | feminists literally destroying society |
| 07:02.03 | Ivnedar | I didn't understand why they stock games in the first place |
| 07:02.22 | Ivnedar | isn't target a 30-50 yr old women's clothing store that branched into kids clothes? |
| 07:06.02 | Wobin | nah, more than clothes |
| 07:06.11 | Wobin | at least in Australia |
| 07:06.39 | Ivnedar | It's been a while since I've been to one |
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| 07:08.21 | Wobin | 1968? |
| 07:08.39 | Ivnedar | probably late 90s, early 00s |
| 07:09.09 | Wobin | It's been a department store style shop since the 70s |
| 07:09.15 | Ivnedar | fair enough |
| 07:38.03 | NuSuey | dammit, the mount and pet are so cool :o https://eu.battle.net/shop/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-bundle-grinning-reaver-argi never paid for a mount in wow before but this is really tempting |
| 07:38.25 | Neffi | wth is that thing |
| 07:39.31 | NuSuey | it's a mount and it kicks ass :o http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/may/Ravager2Mount.jpg |
| 07:40.11 | Neffi | they slapped a skull on the old aq bug mounts? |
| 07:40.42 | Neffi | no wait, that's a different model. looks... not bad |
| 07:43.32 | NuSuey | this + laughing skull mask = <3 |
| 07:47.28 | Neffi | meh |
| 07:47.36 | karl_w_w | https://www.facebook.com/targetaus/posts/1017824588243178 more comments than likes |
| 07:47.40 | karl_w_w | never a good sign |
| 07:47.57 | Neffi | I prefer my mounts to be beautiful beasts. When I ride up to kill somebody, right before I dismount and destroy them, I want them to be thinking "oh fuck that's one majestic creature" |
| 07:49.30 | Neffi | if I could ride a talbuk around the streets of NY in real life I totally would |
| 07:51.47 | NuSuey | Neffi: I rather want them to think: "HOLY FREAKING JESUS WHAT THE F.. IS THAT THING!?! AAAAAA!" |
| 07:57.20 | Neffi | both are valid approaches |
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| 08:13.52 | Fisker | btw foxlit |
| 08:14.09 | Fisker | Did you follow any guiides or something on leveling pets? |
| 08:14.42 | Fisker | (Please note flying in Draenor is not currently possible.) |
| 08:14.50 | Fisker | Flying in Draenor confirmed |
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| 08:29.54 | pompy1 | https://www.facebook.com/NASA/photos/a.67899501771.69169.54971236771/10152846919031772/?type=1&theater 3.5 hours |
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| 09:39.01 | Semlar | what are these yellow orbs that keep falling out of my brewmaster |
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| 09:43.33 | znf | Shadowed, re: ticket with range-fader issue; would it help if I gave you my profile export? |
| 09:46.44 | Maldivia | Semlar: beer burps |
| 09:47.38 | Semlar | they don't seem to do anything |
| 09:48.57 | nevcairiel | its your multistrike bonus, i think |
| 09:49.35 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=124502 |
| 09:51.03 | Semlar | they're healing spheres? |
| 09:51.06 | Semlar | why are they yellow! |
| 09:51.32 | mikma | http://www.shortoftheweek.com/2014/06/23/the-gunfighter/ |
| 09:51.32 | nevcairiel | to distinguish them from other healing spheres? |
| 09:56.05 | relaxok | how is it determined whether a fontstring gets cut off and the last characters changed to .. |
| 09:56.11 | relaxok | or wrapped |
| 09:56.22 | relaxok | like the targetframe name |
| 10:07.20 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2khljj3VKAw |
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| 10:22.49 | Maldivia | relaxok: :SetWordWrap(true)? |
| 10:26.06 | relaxok | oh duh wordwrap property |
| 10:26.14 | relaxok | defaults to false? |
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| 10:28.40 | Maldivia | probably, can't remember :) |
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| 10:35.54 | HerroWorlds | Hey so i was looking at the structures of a few different addons and it looks like so far that either there will be a toc file in the highest directory of the addon and/or/if the highest directory contains only folders the addon foldername will contain some kind of version number |
| 10:36.27 | HerroWorlds | the base addon foldername** is this correct? |
| 10:36.59 | HerroWorlds | or is there a standardized file that will show the addons basic info |
| 10:46.09 | galaris | guys do you know any addon that's specific to WSG? Like showing flag carriers and stuff? |
| 10:46.27 | galaris | or basically any pvp realted, not mainstream addon recomendation is welcomed :D |
| 10:49.33 | Maldivia | HerroWorlds: there is _always_ a toc file in the top dir, if not, it's not an addon |
| 10:50.35 | HerroWorlds | Maldivia: go download bagnon |
| 10:50.58 | HerroWorlds | AuctioneerSuite-5.21c.5521, Bagnon_6.0.14, all of the dbm addons and librarys, Healbot, Omnicc do not have a toc file in top directory |
| 10:53.30 | Maldivia | say you have AddonX -- then in Interface\Addons\AddonX there needs to be an AddonX.toc file, otherwise it's not recognized by the game as an addon, it's that simple |
| 10:53.48 | Maldivia | (and AddonX here is the dir I'm referring to as the top dir) |
| 10:54.33 | mikma | bond24 announcement starts soon |
| 10:54.46 | Maldivia | mikma -- already watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2khljj3VKAw :) |
| 10:55.33 | nevcairiel | i cant watch that since apparently official streams are not allowed in germany now |
| 10:56.08 | Maldivia | HerroWorlds: and if you were to download AddonX from a addon site, the zip file would normally contain the AddonX folder, in which the AddonX.toc file (all the rest of the addon files) would be located |
| 10:56.39 | mikma | maldivia: awesuuum |
| 10:57.09 | Maldivia | HerroWorlds: and in the cases of Bagnon... that's because it's technically 5 addons, not 1 |
| 10:57.33 | nevcairiel | the layout remains the same however |
| 10:57.39 | nevcairiel | just more top level folders |
| 10:58.19 | foxlit | can I include ..\AddonY\Foo.lua from AddonX\AddonX.toc? |
| 10:58.24 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 10:58.39 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt make much sense to use such a layout, does it |
| 11:00.04 | foxlit | maybe, maybe not. |
| 11:00.40 | mikma | maldivia: he should walk up there and say "james bond: xxx, casting: blah." and then walk out |
| 11:00.51 | Maldivia | mikma: I like that they are announcing title, cast members... and car :D |
| 11:01.07 | mikma | yeah :D |
| 11:01.13 | mikma | oh, clever |
| 11:01.28 | Maldivia | yeah, it actually was :D |
| 11:03.24 | Maldivia | uhh.... |
| 11:03.28 | mikma | interesting |
| 11:03.28 | Maldivia | now that was interesting! |
| 11:09.07 | mikma | what was Moriarty's cast again? |
| 11:09.29 | Maldivia | part of the MI6 team, didn't catch the name |
| 11:11.21 | mikma | i wonder is belucci gonna be the bond girl.. hehe |
| 11:11.56 | mikma | if they won't put a white cat on waltz, we are gonna be disappointed |
| 11:13.48 | Maldivia | mikma: he was introduced as a "A new addition to the whitehall family, playing denby, mr andrew scott" |
| 11:14.15 | Maldivia | but interesting cast |
| 11:14.48 | mikma | I hope it's gonna be better than Skyfall ;) |
| 11:15.02 | Maldivia | skyfall had its highs and lows |
| 11:15.07 | mikma | can't top off Casino Royale quite easily |
| 11:16.10 | jleclanche | old world archeology is still not fixed |
| 11:16.19 | jleclanche | i think blizz has just given up on it |
| 11:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | skyfall was one of my favorite movies ever |
| 11:17.21 | Mr_Rabies | i consider it almost perfect as far as action movies go |
| 11:17.32 | Maldivia | mikma: generally though, I like the this version of Bond a lot better than the previous ones |
| 11:17.42 | mikma | mr_rabies: i yet liked casino royale even more than skyfall |
| 11:18.07 | Mr_Rabies | Royale was pretty decent but skyfall's cinematography gave it like 5 billion bonus points |
| 11:18.09 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: i watched it in theaters and all i remember is being bored |
| 11:18.12 | mikma | the beginning of new era, and a more humane bond |
| 11:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | it had a great story though and an awesome story |
| 11:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | basically, er |
| 11:19.06 | Mr_Rabies | wel |
| 11:19.07 | Mr_Rabies | wow |
| 11:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'm too tired |
| 11:19.11 | Mr_Rabies | to be typing |
| 11:19.21 | Mr_Rabies | had a great story though and an awesome cast* |
| 11:20.07 | Mr_Rabies | basically, javier bardem was the 90s bond but corrupted |
| 11:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | he basically had all the hallmarks of the 90s bond movies except he was twisted by rejection |
| 11:21.13 | Mr_Rabies | and the movie basically ends by shedding all connection to anything prior, including casino royale |
| 11:21.31 | Mr_Rabies | and instead bringing daniel craig in as the perfect next Sean Connery |
| 11:23.11 | mikma | the ending of the movie was pure masterpiece imo, ralph fiennes ans the "new" old M |
| 11:26.19 | mikma | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379713/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1 |
| 11:26.22 | mikma | yeah, that was fast |
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| 11:31.39 | HerroWorlds | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2khljj3VKAw ++ 10!! |
| 11:34.54 | relaxok | how does the API know if a unit is a boss? |
| 11:35.08 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/unit_classification.png |
| 11:35.12 | relaxok | like to show a Skull here instead of 73 |
| 11:35.47 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@50.153.111.7) |
| 11:36.57 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClassification |
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| 11:41.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Silencer (~Silencer@109-93-187-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) |
| 11:41.32 | relaxok | the unitclassification of the mob is worldboss |
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| 11:42.22 | relaxok | the only place i see it checking that is TargetFrame.lua which chooses the targeting frame texture |
| 11:42.23 | relaxok | not the skull |
| 11:43.01 | mikma | what does UnitLevel("target") say? |
| 11:43.25 | relaxok | ah its supposed to be -1 |
| 11:43.26 | relaxok | i see |
| 11:43.42 | Maldivia | it returns -1 for "too high" or boss level target |
| 11:44.46 | relaxok | okay and too high is >= 10? |
| 11:44.52 | mikma | yeah |
| 11:45.42 | Arrowmaster | or being a worldboss |
| 11:46.54 | mikma | but.. |
| 11:47.04 | mikma | well, nvm |
| 11:47.18 | relaxok | this should work, just updating UnitLevel |
| 11:47.34 | mikma | i was just about to say that you are level 1 character with dualwielding legendaryswords in terokkar forest |
| 11:48.46 | Simca | Satchel of Savage Mysteries now have a chance to contain a mount, pet, pet consumable, Draenor consumable, or Follower upgrade token in addition to an Augment Rune. |
| 11:49.01 | mikma | simca: ooh |
| 11:49.13 | Simca | that is so sweet. i will have to solo queue now lol. |
| 11:51.10 | nevcairiel | in before dpsers complain |
| 11:51.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'm primarily dps and my reward is far greater |
| 11:51.51 | Mr_Rabies | not 40 minute queues |
| 11:51.52 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/unit_classification2.png |
| 11:51.53 | relaxok | yay |
| 11:51.55 | relaxok | skull it is |
| 11:52.23 | Mr_Rabies | the CtA in MoP kicked in when the queue was above about 10 minutes, now it seems to kick in when the Queue's above 30 minutes or so |
| 11:52.31 | Mr_Rabies | they should drop it back down |
| 11:52.58 | Mr_Rabies | what is the MMOSDK client O_o |
| 11:53.24 | mikma | relaxok: that is a private server. |
| 11:53.32 | Simca | relaxok's project to recreate wow without using any blizzard code |
| 11:53.55 | Simca | it's pretty impressive |
| 11:54.20 | relaxok | im at least finally starting to have moments where when i'm comparing them side by side i forget which is which |
| 11:54.34 | nevcairiel | well he does use the wow interface code, which was kinda the point i think :d |
| 11:54.41 | Simca | well, yeah |
| 11:54.58 | relaxok | i had no idea there was sooooooooo much interface code |
| 11:55.11 | Mr_Rabies | does WoW require a hardware action to send mail? |
| 11:55.24 | nebula169 | no |
| 11:55.40 | Mr_Rabies | apparently in ESO it does not, and an addon author added a neat little thing to the code of an addon to send all your gold to him |
| 11:56.08 | mikma | HAH |
| 11:56.10 | Simca | gold requires a hardware event |
| 11:56.14 | foxlit | no amount of requiring hardware actions will protect you from malicious addons. |
| 11:56.29 | nebula169 | yea, people do sneaky shit with it, wa had a problem with malicious scripts |
| 11:56.55 | Simca | i'm pretty sure they added that protection at some point just for that reason |
| 11:56.55 | galaris | This MMOSDK is fkin impressive |
| 11:57.21 | relaxok | not too impressive that its taken me years to do it =P |
| 11:57.38 | Alram | still is impressive |
| 11:57.40 | galaris | it is dw. |
| 11:57.45 | Alram | stop playing it down relaxok jeez |
| 11:57.56 | galaris | take it it, it's awesome :D |
| 11:58.13 | Mr_Rabies | did you finally implement the feature everyone was asking for |
| 11:58.15 | relaxok | all i see are things it's missing or that are broken |
| 11:58.23 | Mr_Rabies | when you skin a bear, it aggros every bears |
| 11:58.33 | Simca | hahahaha |
| 11:58.48 | Simca | because you're actually skinning their best friend |
| 11:58.54 | galaris | haha |
| 11:59.06 | Arrowmaster | https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/2o5taw/the_time_i_was_caught_hacking_the_refrigerator/ |
| 11:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | if not you should probably just delete the repo and format the disk imo |
| 11:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | why even try |
| 11:59.27 | relaxok | doing stuff like that just reminds me of private servers, which btw i don't like being associated with the scumminess of =p |
| 11:59.38 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 12:00.41 | relaxok | im sure one of them has made it so you can skin player corpses |
| 12:00.46 | relaxok | har har har! |
| 12:00.51 | Mr_Rabies | does curse/wowinterface have any kind of malicious addon prevention or is it just removal/actiona against the author if it's found to be malicious? |
| 12:01.18 | Mr_Rabies | curious because apparently this one slipped through the cracks at ESOUI :o |
| 12:02.06 | nebula169 | automated checking for executables, but for malicious stuff i assume it just has to be reported before it's reviewed |
| 12:02.33 | foxlit | both sites flag zip uploads for "review" by moderator staff, because fuck your zip uploads. |
| 12:03.12 | relaxok | im trying to figure out how UnitSelectionColor really works behind the scenes |
| 12:03.18 | relaxok | the way Facations interact is confusing to me |
| 12:03.24 | relaxok | Factions* |
| 12:03.29 | HerroWorlds | is there anyone on here with programming knowledge that might be interested in contributing to a wow based app, not an addon? |
| 12:03.44 | HerroWorlds | its in python |
| 12:04.25 | foxlit | but it's infeasible for those reviews to be anything other than "oh, okay, so this doesn't have any weird files in it" |
| 12:04.44 | relaxok | what would a malicious addon do? |
| 12:05.16 | galaris | spam, communicate, send your items, include exe, stuff like that |
| 12:06.29 | mikma | disband your guild :D |
| 12:06.34 | galaris | that's nasty |
| 12:06.35 | HerroWorlds | relaxok: the only way a malicious addon would be able to do anything is if you play around with files within the addon folder |
| 12:06.39 | HerroWorlds | and execute one |
| 12:07.31 | karl_w_w | yesss an 8 hour mission for 100g |
| 12:07.32 | HerroWorlds | curse/wowinterface prevent anyone from directly uploading bad addons so the only way you would be able to get a virus from them is if you rename an addon to an exe format then execute it |
| 12:07.34 | nebula169 | not really, in the past people have put in code to allow them to send commands to someone with the malicious addon |
| 12:07.36 | Mr_Rabies | well, i mean malicious in wow, not malicious as in a windows executable |
| 12:07.48 | nebula169 | or have it auto send items/gold if they open trade or the mailbox |
| 12:08.10 | Mr_Rabies | like, delete all your stuff, send items/gold (i know certain things are protected somewhat by hardware action limitations) |
| 12:08.13 | HerroWorlds | nebula169: so those would only be within world of warcraft, they would have no way of say stealing your account info |
| 12:08.16 | Mr_Rabies | but that kind of stuff |
| 12:08.24 | karl_w_w | i thought sending mail required a hardware event |
| 12:08.39 | mikma | i have malicious code in my addon, but it's only used by me and my wife while leveling :P |
| 12:08.43 | nebula169 | malicious implies more than compromising the account |
| 12:08.48 | Mr_Rabies | malicious just means "bad" "harmful intent" etc |
| 12:08.55 | HerroWorlds | karl_w_w: it requires user conformation but it could auto load items into the sending que |
| 12:09.13 | mikma | local code = "StaticPopupDialogs['OKR']={text = 'reloads UI',button1='YES',button2='cancel',OnAccept=function() ReloadUI();end,};StaticPopup_Show('OKR')" |
| 12:09.14 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like a certain someone, mikma :V |
| 12:09.16 | mikma | SendAddonMessage("PARTYHARDY","EXECUTE|"..code,"PARTY") |
| 12:09.17 | HerroWorlds | so if you did not check before you pressed the send button it would send gold |
| 12:09.26 | mikma | a popup that lets you reload ui :P |
| 12:09.27 | mitch0 | mikma: isn't that what the elvui author said, too? :) |
| 12:09.42 | mikma | mitch0: exactly what elvui said. "this is for me and my guild" |
| 12:09.56 | HerroWorlds | so any addon authors here know any python lol? |
| 12:10.02 | mikma | mitch0: but this addon is not on any public ui sites :) |
| 12:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | sorry, i don't consort with snakes |
| 12:10.11 | Mr_Rabies | all snakes lead to voldemort |
| 12:10.13 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 12:10.37 | Mr_Rabies | (i couldn't code a hello world script in any language if you held a gun to my head) |
| 12:10.54 | mitch0 | why is the nasa broadcast so jittery (especially sound) |
| 12:10.58 | mikma | mr_rabies: try lua: print("hello world") |
| 12:11.28 | Mr_Rabies | what's your app do, essentially, HerroWorlds? that might garner more interest if people have a basic idea :o |
| 12:12.06 | Mr_Rabies | mitch0: lots of latency sending data from the secret moonbase |
| 12:12.48 | HerroWorlds | Mr_Rabies: similar to curse client but better lol |
| 12:13.03 | mitch0 | 5 minutes to launch, btw |
| 12:13.17 | mikma | mitch0: http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FPartyHardy%2FPartyHardy.lua :P |
| 12:13.48 | Mr_Rabies | the biggest thing i can suggest when working with anything that acts at all like curse client is to get the addon authors' permission ahead of time before doing anything with their addons, HerroWorlds |
| 12:14.29 | HerroWorlds | Mr_Rabies: you have had bad experiences in the past? |
| 12:14.42 | mitch0 | HerroWorlds: google wowmatrix |
| 12:14.46 | Mr_Rabies | many in the past have made their site, hosted addons and had them available for download BEFORE getting permission, and that's no way to start a relationship with the authors |
| 12:15.00 | Mr_Rabies | wowmatrix and solidice both basically did that, and i'm sure there are others |
| 12:16.20 | HerroWorlds | so developers dislike wowmatrix but overall is there something wrong with it? |
| 12:16.24 | Mr_Rabies | for your own personal use do what you want, but if you plan on providing a service or anything along those lines, get permission first, not later |
| 12:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | wowmatrix as a program isn't inherently bad, but it (used to? may still) crawls curse and hosts addon authors' addons without their permission |
| 12:18.14 | Mr_Rabies | it caused a ton of authors to change their licenses to all rights reserved to at least do what they could to retain some ownership |
| 12:18.58 | Mr_Rabies | while it's not always true, in this case it's better to ask for permission, not forgiveness :p |
| 12:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | as long as you're doing the right thing many authors would be happy to work with you but starting off on the wrong foot is hard to recover from |
| 12:20.21 | HerroWorlds | Mr_Rabies: i take it you are an addon author? |
| 12:20.36 | Mr_Rabies | that's the only advice i can really provide as someone that is mostly here to just pester addon authors and not actually code them |
| 12:20.52 | HerroWorlds | hahahaha, is that what i am doing? |
| 12:20.59 | Mr_Rabies | no, that's what i am doing |
| 12:21.02 | Mr_Rabies | and have been doing for years |
| 12:21.08 | HerroWorlds | ahh as someone |
| 12:21.23 | HerroWorlds | so you have not published any addons? |
| 12:21.42 | Mr_Rabies | nope, i can't write anything more advanced than a mIRC script |
| 12:22.03 | HerroWorlds | i have no idea what that is |
| 12:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | but i have been around long enough to know about the trials and tribulations of wowmatrix and more recently, solidice |
| 12:22.13 | Arrowmaster | wowmatrix did some other bad stuff besides the site scraping and hosting without explicit permission |
| 12:22.26 | Arrowmaster | it patched addons without informing anybody |
| 12:22.35 | HerroWorlds | patched addons? |
| 12:22.57 | HerroWorlds | like edited and updated other peoples work? |
| 12:22.58 | Arrowmaster | yes it would apply changes to the addon files that were not approved of by the addon author |
| 12:23.04 | HerroWorlds | ahhh |
| 12:23.25 | HerroWorlds | malicious patchess? or additional features ? |
| 12:23.25 | Arrowmaster | i dug most of them out of its memory and posted them to the official forums, created a huge shitstorm |
| 12:24.05 | Mr_Rabies | it was more that it was doing stuff against the addon's licenses than what the code was changed to, as far as i know |
| 12:24.07 | Arrowmaster | some were removing contact and copyright info, others were just blind attempts at disabling code that caused errors without actually fixing the problems |
| 12:24.30 | Mr_Rabies | it basically presented addons as the original thing while changing them against the license |
| 12:24.31 | HerroWorlds | ahh, and so what has solid ice done? |
| 12:24.43 | Mr_Rabies | mostly just the hosting without permission thing |
| 12:24.45 | Arrowmaster | uploaded addons to their site without permission |
| 12:25.04 | Ivnedar | ah, the old "wrap an erroring line in a pcall and hope that fixes it" trick |
| 12:25.04 | HerroWorlds | dont they offer profit sharing to addon authors? |
| 12:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | they eventually did in some form or fashion but the damage had already been done |
| 12:25.31 | Arrowmaster | Ivnedar: it wasnt even that, it was more 'this line causes an error, lets remove it' |
| 12:26.17 | Mr_Rabies | basically instead of going the route they should have, it assumed people wouldn't mind, and said "email us if you want us to remove it" regardless of the addon's license |
| 12:26.29 | Arrowmaster | every new 'competitor' does the same thing, they grab all the most popular addons and put them up on their own site without talking to the developers and then kill any credibility they could ever hope to earn and every author now hates their guts |
| 12:26.43 | Mr_Rabies | some addons are perfectly fine to do whatever with, but they're a lot, lot more rare after wowmatrix |
| 12:27.06 | HerroWorlds | so how does one go about contacting the 2000+ addon authors ? |
| 12:27.24 | Mr_Rabies | most have at least a license that restricts redistribution in some form or fashion without permission, etc |
| 12:27.41 | mitch0 | mine are all public domain |
| 12:27.42 | Arrowmaster | HerroWorlds: typically you dont |
| 12:28.20 | Arrowmaster | and honestly i doubt theres that many authors with decent sized addons |
| 12:29.05 | HerroWorlds | Arrowmaster: so you would rather leave curse and wowinterface with an oligopoly in addon distribution |
| 12:29.23 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 12:29.37 | HerroWorlds | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 12:29.52 | Arrowmaster | if you want to create your own site go ahead and try, just know it will take a while to grow |
| 12:30.17 | Arrowmaster | authors love curse and wowi |
| 12:30.20 | HerroWorlds | oh im not making a site lol :P |
| 12:30.46 | HerroWorlds | so how much does curse and wowi pay out to authors? |
| 12:30.52 | p3lim | for an author to even consider using an alternate site than curse and wowi, you have to provide certain features |
| 12:30.59 | p3lim | curse pays by points, wowi doesn't cash out |
| 12:31.33 | HerroWorlds | p3lim: so you get nothing from wowi for uploading your addon? |
| 12:31.37 | p3lim | nope |
| 12:31.46 | Arrowmaster | i actually added it up yesterday, curse has paid me $6210 total plus all the alcohol they buy me at blizzcon |
| 12:31.59 | HerroWorlds | Arrowmaster: damn |
| 12:32.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not saying it's impossible to improve on curse client or mmoui minion, but you gotta do it right if you want to have the support of the community |
| 12:32.08 | HerroWorlds | whats your author name? |
| 12:32.17 | p3lim | I've gotten around $700 or something over 4-5 years from curse |
| 12:32.28 | p3lim | although my addons aren't as popular as some |
| 12:32.40 | Arrowmaster | this name, and i havent been an addon author since before curse started paying authors |
| 12:33.13 | Arrowmaster | i quit and earned all that just from old addons that people still downloaded after i quit |
| 12:33.28 | Mr_Rabies | profiting off of private servers, you monster |
| 12:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | actually i bet a good half were just people that had no idea they were old |
| 12:33.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont doubt that i did |
| 12:35.34 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 12:35.36 | HerroWorlds | Arrowmaster: so about 1k annual income, not bad |
| 12:36.12 | Arrowmaster | it was mostly all earned the first 2 years |
| 12:36.36 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just trying to save you a lot of future headache and potential legal problems, HerroWorlds, i'd love to see a better client but you do have to keep in mind you're dealing with other people's property in a lot of cases |
| 12:37.25 | Mr_Rabies | contacting authors seems to be a nightmare, but you could start with a popular addon and focus on that and branch out based on word of mouth to other authors |
| 12:37.59 | Mr_Rabies | it'll be slow like Arrowmaster said, but you may technically face legal action if you do things wrong |
| 12:38.23 | mikma | and on that note, these are the best public messages a author can receive: "No, the note function is great, but I especially liked the quick stamp. But I figured out how to add it to the list of stamps myself, so no problem. :-)" |
| 12:38.26 | Arrowmaster | and once your hurt your credibility in the community its basically over |
| 12:38.28 | Mr_Rabies | it's not super likely, but it's a lot more likely you'll burn bridges very quickly if you host addons against their license, etc |
| 12:38.36 | HerroWorlds | Mr_Rabies: makes sense, well at any rate it has worked amazingly for private use for the past 2-3 months :P |
| 12:38.54 | Mr_Rabies | private use is a whole other thing |
| 12:39.27 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm a person that has a hard time understanding how open source code can have any restrictions on it, but again, i'm not a coder or anything of the sort |
| 12:39.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just talking about past issues i've seen and offering advice based on that |
| 12:40.00 | mikma | i've given everyone who has asked a permission to recode / redistribute my work |
| 12:40.24 | mikma | some folks have wanted to take over my addons ( /poke nevcairiel - bartender ) and i've let them :D |
| 12:40.57 | nevcairiel | i just stole the name and wrote a new addon tbh :p |
| 12:41.15 | mikma | hence the recode part i mentioned |
| 12:41.47 | Mr_Rabies | to me, giving the full source code out and expecting it to be used in the way you want is like giving out the schematics to a bomb and being surprised when it's used against you, but yeah |
| 12:41.49 | mikma | i got so frustrated with the stupid secure ui that i let it go xD |
| 12:42.54 | Mr_Rabies | i've long given up that fight on freenode :p |
| 12:43.26 | mikma | oh man, it hurts to look at my old code in google code svn |
| 12:45.13 | p3lim | sobs in memory of FlexBar |
| 12:45.37 | Mr_Rabies | you should exclusively write addons for the original starsiege: tribes |
| 12:45.48 | Mr_Rabies | (that's totally where i got addicted to ui modding) |
| 12:46.06 | Gnarfoz | sidenote: if you don't intend on starting a site, yet want to provide a program like Curse Client, just better... where would it download the addons from? don't say "Curse" or "WoWI" because they've been down that road, too :D (with the aforementioned wowmatrix) |
| 12:46.32 | Mr_Rabies | my tribes 1 and 2 UIs looked like winamp went through a deviantart wormhole and died on the other side |
| 12:47.28 | Constie | I used FlexBar. I never really did anything super advanced with it, but it was fun to set up. (I'm broken inside.) |
| 12:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | i was gonna just keep that issue on its own and hone in on getting the authors' support, Gnarfoz |
| 12:47.45 | Mr_Rabies | flexbar sounds familiar, like a bad memory i've tried to surpress |
| 12:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | what did it do again |
| 12:48.41 | Constie | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/project-30/ |
| 12:49.12 | p3lim | flexbar was pretty much the most advanced actionbar addon ever made |
| 12:49.23 | p3lim | but the secure system broke it completely |
| 12:49.52 | p3lim | think of weakauras, just for actions |
| 12:50.10 | Mr_Rabies | oh right |
| 12:50.34 | Maldivia | I remember flexbar :) |
| 12:50.37 | Mr_Rabies | you could do anything with that if you had the creativity time |
| 12:50.42 | Mr_Rabies | and time |
| 12:50.43 | Mr_Rabies | jeez |
| 12:50.46 | Mr_Rabies | i should sleep |
| 12:51.07 | Mr_Rabies | i got way, way too into addon customization sometime during TBC |
| 12:51.21 | Mr_Rabies | i remember almost weekly asking ckknight for stuff to add to PitBull |
| 12:51.26 | Mr_Rabies | I'm sorry |
| 12:51.51 | Arrowmaster | i used flexbar and had a nice setup with it |
| 12:51.52 | p3lim | barely changed my ui since wotlk :p |
| 12:52.04 | mikma | oh man, SemiTransparentBags xD |
| 12:52.04 | Mr_Rabies | like, i wanted the ability to show percentage when not mousing over a unitframe and then show current / total hp when mousing over, etc |
| 12:52.06 | mikma | that's awesome |
| 12:52.14 | Mr_Rabies | that was a big one |
| 12:52.30 | Mr_Rabies | that i spent seemingly forever on |
| 12:53.44 | Mr_Rabies | my ui is fairly basic now but everyone freaks out when i say i have somewhere between 50 and 100 |
| 12:55.09 | Arrowmaster | i have somethink like 150 addons installed for KSP |
| 12:55.10 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@50.153.109.4) |
| 12:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | this is the scariest part of my UI: http://i.imgur.com/QGu7snz.png (this is during 5.x, pre toy box and second void storage tab) |
| 13:01.49 | Constie | That's horrifying. |
| 13:01.55 | Constie | Who plays with chat timestamps on? |
| 13:02.47 | Mr_Rabies | everyone that's as cool as me |
| 13:03.13 | nevcairiel | chat timestamps are mandatory for me |
| 13:03.15 | Mr_Rabies | interestingly enough, i don't use timestamps on irc |
| 13:03.20 | Mr_Rabies | except for PM's |
| 13:03.28 | Mr_Rabies | and status windows |
| 13:06.34 | mikma | OH LORD |
| 13:07.02 | mikma | BBQ.Secrets-The.Master.Guide.To.Extraordinary.Barbecue.Cookin.2004.DVDRip |
| 13:07.02 | mikma | rofl |
| 13:07.27 | galaris | how did you even come around this? |
| 13:08.26 | mikma | by watching a channel |
| 13:09.42 | mikma | hmmmmmmmrph. i hate it that the castingbar goes underneath the garrison/whatever frame |
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| 13:14.34 | mikma | rofl, my old afk-alerter for bg's |
| 13:18.00 | karl_w_w | foxlit, I clicked a counter on the follower tab and DCed, so I'm blaming you |
| 13:20.39 | Simca | if you're US, all servers are restarting |
| 13:22.02 | A-KO | hmm, isn't the new heroic the old normal raiding? |
| 13:22.07 | A-KO | then wtf is 'normal' then? |
| 13:22.12 | nevcairiel | the old flex |
| 13:22.18 | A-KO | but you can flex heroic |
| 13:22.29 | A-KO | so guilds, organized guilds, should be pushing 'heroic' right now? |
| 13:22.30 | nevcairiel | which is why its no longer called flex |
| 13:22.48 | nevcairiel | SoO flex was much easier than normal |
| 13:22.54 | A-KO | okay |
| 13:23.07 | A-KO | so in short, my guild should be doing heroic :P |
| 13:23.12 | Simca | yes |
| 13:23.15 | Simca | well |
| 13:23.31 | Simca | it's probably best to crush normal first for the free-ish gear |
| 13:23.49 | Simca | but yes, heroic is progression for organized guilds |
| 13:30.51 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13527-StatScore.html |
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| 13:42.37 | Simca | I don't understand tv show schedules |
| 13:42.59 | Ssateneth | mikma thanks for updating it |
| 13:43.10 | Simca | there was no Arrow last week, but there is this week. there was a Gotham last week, but no Gotham this week |
| 13:46.22 | mikma | ssateneth: updating what? |
| 13:48.26 | Ivnedar | Simca: last week was thanksgiving |
| 13:49.39 | Fisker | accidentally tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:50.23 | Lopeppeppy | How do you accidentally slam someone to the pavement? Are you in law enforcement? |
| 13:50.45 | Fisker | wow Lopeppeppy |
| 13:51.24 | Fisker | Someone find the police the nearest burn ward |
| 13:52.03 | Fisker | poor innocent police who can't even shoot people without not getting away it |
| 13:52.05 | Fisker | I think |
| 13:52.15 | mikma | lopeppeppy: accidental chokeslam ftw |
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| 13:55.47 | Lopeppeppy | I call it for the very lose, mikma, he could cripple me accidentally! |
| 13:57.21 | Fisker | I would never cripple you accidentally |
| 13:57.22 | Fisker | <3 |
| 13:58.01 | mikma | lol |
| 13:59.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yay. |
| 13:59.25 | Lopeppeppy | Should I attend the die-in protest today? |
| 14:00.25 | Fisker | If you can do so without getting shot, seasoned with pepperspray or otherwise hurt then sure |
| 14:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm uncertain about my ability to stay warm. I was not prepared to spend 10 minutes lying in the snow in a skirt and heels. |
| 14:02.47 | Lopeppeppy | There will be nobody with special seasoning sauce in attendance. Our campus safety don't even have billy clubs. |
| 14:03.12 | Fisker | maybe the police comes by |
| 14:03.26 | Dagmar | You intend to spend ten minutes *in* the snow with bare legs? |
| 14:03.38 | Dagmar | Not even eskimo women would do that |
| 14:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | I really do not, Dagmar. |
| 14:04.19 | Lopeppeppy | I am in favor of student activism. I would be more in favor if I knew they bothered to vote and participate in the political structure instead of just lying down for 10 minutes and congratulating themselves. |
| 14:04.31 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 14:05.12 | Dagmar | At this point they should be hanging out pamphlets explaining about how to obtain a CCP amd proper weapon maintenance |
| 14:05.13 | Fisker | That's a nice way of putting a circlejerk Lopeppeppy |
| 14:05.54 | Dagmar | 'cuz like, how much longer before we are precisely like Mexico? |
| 14:06.15 | Dagmar | Screw letting things get anywhere _near_ that far along |
| 14:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | Student activism is theater. I might bring popcorn. |
| 14:06.42 | mikma | http://news.yahoo.com/silent-disco-brings-quiet-riot-london-065937374.html |
| 14:07.52 | Dagmar | It's also well lit, which says to me the place is a shallow poseur-fest |
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| 14:45.48 | karl_w_w | what the hell |
| 14:46.08 | karl_w_w | i left my instance group and it put me like 100 yards in the air |
| 14:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | Enjoy falling to your DOOM! |
| 15:02.51 | karl_w_w | ok millhouse |
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| 15:23.44 | A-KO|tablet | Okay, so min ilevel for 'heroic' highmaul? 630? |
| 15:24.39 | karl_w_w | surely it doesn't have a minimum ilvl |
| 15:29.30 | Simca | no |
| 15:29.33 | Simca | it does not |
| 15:34.03 | Dagmar | I assume that applies to walking in the door on foot |
| 15:34.51 | Simca | there is no alternative to walking in the door on foot besides raid finder, which is not available |
| 15:35.17 | Dagmar | We're average 628 at the moment and hoping to get everyone above 630 by tomorrow so it'll maybe go better than strapping ten hamsters to a lit quarter stick of dynamite |
| 15:35.31 | Dagmar | Yes, we're goin' straight into Heroic |
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| 15:58.00 | Ironii | 5/7 should be realistic with 630 ilvl |
| 16:01.55 | Gnarfoz | heh, good luck with that |
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| 16:10.22 | karl_w_w | what am i meant to do with all these primal spirits |
| 16:10.45 | nevcairiel | buy sorcereous thingys or savage blood |
| 16:14.41 | Ironii | Gnarfoz why? |
| 16:15.26 | znf | hey foxlit https://twitter.com/TheCrafticus/status/540539751049080832 |
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| 16:27.23 | mikma | why in the hell am i getting random notifications about random players going offline? |
| 16:27.26 | mikma | [18:26:15] Shadowhumman-KulTiras has gone offline. |
| 16:27.34 | mikma | not in my friendlist nor my battlenet buddy |
| 16:28.43 | nevcairiel | guild? |
| 16:31.21 | znf | guild? |
| 16:31.22 | znf | erm |
| 16:31.23 | znf | what he said |
| 16:31.40 | karl_w_w | I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is the best cake in existence and you all need to make it: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2013/jan/23/how-cook-perfect-lemon-drizzle-cake |
| 16:34.02 | nevcairiel | i like those squishy moist cakes |
| 16:37.12 | Shadowed | znf probably not |
| 16:37.30 | znf | also, Kul Tiras! my old realm! :P |
| 16:37.44 | Shadowed | znf I believe you that it's broken, but I can't replicate it at all anymore |
| 16:38.21 | znf | Shadowed, I know you believe me, I just can't figure out how to replicate it every time. It happens a lot in dungeons (and I mostly do challenge mode these days), so I can't exactly stop to debug it more whenever I get it :( |
| 16:38.28 | znf | for example, I didn't have it last night in raid |
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| 16:39.58 | karl_w_w | jesus my realm's AH has 90,000 listings |
| 16:40.09 | karl_w_w | no wonder I often DC trying to do getall |
| 16:40.10 | znf | That's light :D |
| 16:40.19 | znf | Mine is usually above 100k |
| 16:40.25 | karl_w_w | and my realm hasn't been connected to any others |
| 16:40.42 | znf | Until recently I couldn't even do a GetAll because it was limited to about 45k |
| 16:40.54 | Stanzilla | there is a reddit ama on /r/wow/ today and we're currently trying to come up with good questions, if anyone wants to participate https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bdlfPX5__fl-i44UK4RhJV2yiDKzQEIVuSzsR6g68Rk/edit |
| 16:41.20 | bluipodcow | Happening now ? |
| 16:41.25 | karl_w_w | questions for who |
| 16:41.32 | bluipodcow | Dr who |
| 16:42.52 | Stanzilla | wow devs |
| 16:43.00 | Stanzilla | and no, in about 6 hours |
| 16:43.08 | Simca | which wow devs |
| 16:43.15 | znf | "all" |
| 16:43.18 | fewyn | not all |
| 16:43.22 | znf | most* |
| 16:43.22 | fewyn | there's a specific list |
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| 16:43.41 | fewyn | AMA this Thursday 4-5pm PST w/ Designers @mumper @thekalgan @WatcherDev @holinka & Kris Zierhut. http://www.reddit.com/r/wow @reddit |
| 16:43.50 | fewyn | designers |
| 16:43.51 | fewyn | not devs |
| 16:44.02 | karl_w_w | oh, it scanned 90k cos that's the limit |
| 16:44.04 | znf | Just in case you weren't having enough fun this week (I know I am!) I'm here to announce that we're going to do a WoW Developer AMA on Thursday, Dec 4 at 4PM PST for a bit over an hour. |
| 16:44.12 | znf | :-/ |
| 16:44.16 | karl_w_w | there's actually 123k |
| 16:44.17 | znf | That's what the reddit post said |
| 16:44.19 | znf | karl_w_w, ouch :D |
| 16:44.20 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/539862759568334848 |
| 16:44.27 | znf | good luck waiting for 3 hours to do a slow scan |
| 16:44.29 | fewyn | that's the warcraft tweet |
| 16:44.35 | bluipodcow | Oh hai Simca |
| 16:44.38 | karl_w_w | it takes like an hour |
| 16:44.50 | fewyn | that's why i like TSM |
| 16:44.55 | fewyn | and the auto updating thingier |
| 16:45.14 | Fisker | You used to be cool bluipodcow |
| 16:45.21 | bluipodcow | I know |
| 16:46.10 | znf | ...my game randomly crashed |
| 16:46.15 | znf | while I was doing potions |
| 16:46.15 | znf | the fuck |
| 16:46.24 | Simca | so zeirhut, kalgan, holinka, and mumper |
| 16:46.44 | Simca | pretty much covers all topics except technical questions |
| 16:46.48 | znf | :-( |
| 16:47.00 | mikma | nevcairiel: nope, not in guild |
| 16:47.08 | znf | mikma, screenshot it! |
| 16:47.34 | Simca | holinka is pvp, zeirhut is class design, mumper and kalgan are lead devs |
| 16:48.46 | mikma | znf: nothing to ss :P |
| 16:48.54 | mikma | znf: it's just that announcement in chat |
| 16:49.03 | znf | I'm curious about the colors used :) |
| 16:49.06 | znf | That can say much :D |
| 16:52.07 | mikma | yellow |
| 16:52.39 | znf | so system message? |
| 16:52.44 | mikma | aye |
| 16:56.21 | znf | hidden friend? :P |
| 16:56.23 | znf | b.net friend? |
| 16:56.25 | znf | chat addon? |
| 16:57.33 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.51 | mikma | what bluipodcow said |
| 16:58.02 | znf | OH! |
| 16:58.06 | mikma | znf: i'm starting to think it's BasicChatMods that does that |
| 16:58.06 | znf | I have a question! |
| 16:58.16 | znf | About that stupid bodyguard crap |
| 16:58.41 | bluipodcow | Is it a good question ? |
| 16:58.52 | mikma | znf: whitney houston and kevin costner. |
| 16:58.56 | znf | yes |
| 16:59.18 | znf | because I had to hearth back SO. MANY. FUCKIN. TIMES. to talk with the bodyguard so he comes with me |
| 17:06.18 | bluipodcow | Do you want to go on par |
| 17:07.13 | bluipodcow | Do you want to go on patrol ? That dialog option when you talk to your NPC ? Or via the barracks ? |
| 17:07.38 | znf | Via the barracks |
| 17:09.36 | bluipodcow | That I don't has |
| 17:10.04 | bluipodcow | I had the same sort of thing but I used to have a barracks |
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| 17:12.28 | bluipodcow | Mine I get that dialog option. The follower follows me but disappears when I zone .... I think that option is meant for invasions only ..... |
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| 17:15.11 | Xandr | znf: so what is your question about that stupid bodyguard crap? |
| 17:25.37 | karl_w_w | i must be on like 634.9 average ilvl |
| 17:25.53 | karl_w_w | twice i have got a 636 piece to replace 630 and my ilvl hasnt increased |
| 17:28.31 | znf | Xandr, about the fact that I have to go talk with that son of a bitch instead of just coming with me by default when I assign him to the building |
| 17:28.46 | znf | bluipodcow, uhm. |
| 17:29.07 | znf | bluipodcow, bodyguards are specific followers with the "bodyguard" trait. They follow you outside your garrison if you assign them to a lvl2 barracks. |
| 17:29.19 | Xandr | well, when you're out with your bodyguard you have a dialog option to send them back to the garrison |
| 17:29.33 | znf | bluipodcow, during an invasion you can have both your bodyguard and another follower with you |
| 17:29.36 | znf | Xandr, yes...? |
| 17:29.44 | Xandr | which in some situations is a helpful thing to do since you can't tell him to not attack something |
| 17:29.57 | znf | Xandr, yes...? |
| 17:30.08 | nevcairiel | i agree that its sometimes nice to not have him bother you |
| 17:30.18 | znf | I don't mind clicking him away. |
| 17:30.31 | znf | I mind flying out in the world and remembering that I forgot to talk with him to follow me. |
| 17:30.32 | nevcairiel | he doesnt really go away, unless he died |
| 17:30.44 | nevcairiel | so how can you keep forgetting |
| 17:30.45 | Xandr | sure, but under which condition would you then have him automatically join you again? |
| 17:30.46 | znf | I mean, I assigned him to that building before I left. Why do I have to also go talk to him? |
| 17:30.54 | znf | Xandr, re-zone? |
| 17:31.09 | nevcairiel | just leave him following you all the time, then you cant forget |
| 17:31.19 | znf | I have him do missions |
| 17:31.22 | nevcairiel | why |
| 17:31.23 | znf | I don't go out my garrison much |
| 17:31.27 | znf | Why not? O.o |
| 17:31.33 | znf | All my followers are on missions 24/7 |
| 17:31.52 | nevcairiel | then they are not 100 yet, because once they are, you dont have enough missions to keep everyone busy :P |
| 17:32.05 | znf | They are |
| 17:32.12 | znf | I have only ~2 followers which are below 100 |
| 17:32.14 | Xandr | I guess automatically joining you when you assign him until you tell him to go away, would be an idea |
| 17:32.25 | nevcairiel | one is enough to be spammed with low level missions |
| 17:32.25 | znf | Xandr, me and my guildies disagree |
| 17:32.47 | nevcairiel | have *everyone* 100, and you get barely any missions to do :p |
| 17:32.48 | znf | so does Stanzilla! |
| 17:32.56 | nevcairiel | i think it works just fine now |
| 17:33.02 | nevcairiel | just stop being dumb and dont forget him |
| 17:33.04 | znf | I don't |
| 17:33.07 | znf | I put them there. |
| 17:33.12 | znf | I want it to follow me. |
| 17:33.20 | nevcairiel | you are just being dumb :p |
| 17:33.29 | znf | me and other people... |
| 17:33.39 | nevcairiel | whole guild of dumb people |
| 17:33.48 | znf | I honestly haven't met anyone wanting the bodyguard to stay in the building if it's assigned |
| 17:33.49 | Xandr | what's so bad about that approach? assign him to the barracks and he'll join you without you having to talk to him. but when you decide to send him away, because you're like trapping stuff, then he stays at the garrison until you either talk to him again or assign him to the garrison again |
| 17:34.08 | znf | I don't even know why you would want him to shoo away. He stealths! |
| 17:34.16 | znf | And if you're trapping at 10%, you're doing it wrong :D |
| 17:34.18 | nevcairiel | he is fucking annoying when you collect stuff |
| 17:34.27 | znf | "stuff"? like? |
| 17:34.28 | nevcairiel | his pathing always puts him right in your face |
| 17:34.35 | znf | *shrug* |
| 17:34.38 | znf | never had that issue |
| 17:34.42 | znf | maybe you're just being dumb |
| 17:34.42 | znf | :D |
| 17:34.52 | nevcairiel | try herbing, he liked to park his ass on the flowers |
| 17:35.21 | Xandr | when I go trap stuff for cloth, I go for the wolves right outside the garrison. even with them being at full health, they barely survive to be trapped. the bodyguard would outright kill them before the trap is going off |
| 17:35.23 | znf | not sure how you herb; I just run to the node and click on it |
| 17:35.25 | Xandr | but that might just be me |
| 17:35.36 | znf | and the follower comes after that |
| 17:35.50 | nevcairiel | not to mention that he keeps fighting with idiots when i shadowmeld to continue running, so i either hope he doesnt die, or i help him fight the loads of mobs i trained after me |
| 17:36.17 | bluipodcow | Like scrappy Doo |
| 17:36.24 | znf | huh? |
| 17:36.27 | nevcairiel | he doesnt run behind me, he runs beside me, which makes his pathing all weird |
| 17:36.34 | znf | my follower stealths when I spectral guise |
| 17:36.53 | nevcairiel | he stealthes, but he doesnt drop combat when i shadowmeld :p |
| 17:37.04 | znf | well, actually that's mostly a bodyguard issue |
| 17:37.05 | bluipodcow | Scooby doo's nephew. Likes to take on opponents 5 times his size |
| 17:37.15 | znf | I noticed that all other bodyguards, except Vivianne, are dumb as fuck |
| 17:37.27 | Torhal | The fucking Arrakoa bodyguard pisses me off to no end. |
| 17:37.41 | znf | yeah, that's retarded |
| 17:37.45 | znf | go out, run trough mobs |
| 17:37.45 | znf | he dies |
| 17:37.47 | Torhal | Can't get small treasures, herb nodes are a bitch because he's RIGHT ON TOP OF ME... |
| 17:38.06 | znf | I don't think I managed to do one full quest with the bird-dude |
| 17:38.08 | nevcairiel | see, Torhal has the same problems! |
| 17:38.09 | bluipodcow | Hiiii torhal |
| 17:38.11 | znf | He always gets himself killed |
| 17:38.27 | nevcairiel | and i usually have those problems with leorajh, since i use him for mobile mission control |
| 17:38.45 | znf | Vivianne is the only one that seems to disappear when you go out of range of her |
| 17:39.02 | znf | ie: if it gets into combat, and you run away, she doesn't die |
| 17:40.05 | znf | If I do that with *ANY* other one, poof dead |
| 17:42.59 | bluipodcow | Sleep times |
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| 18:28.08 | Shirik | https://www.google.com/search?q=5+%2B+(-+sqrt(1-+x%5E2-+(y-abs(x))%5E2))cos(30((1-x%5E2-(y-abs(x))%5E2)))%2C+x+is+from+-1+to+1%2C+y+is+from+-1+to+1.5%2C+z+is+from+1+to&oq=5+%2B+(-+sqrt(1-+x%5E2-+(y-abs(x))%5E2))cos(30((1-x%5E2-(y-abs(x))%5E2)))%2C+x+is+from+-1+to+1%2C+y+is+from+-1+to+1.5%2C+z+is+from+1+to&aqs=chrome..69i64j5.1880j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=5+%2B+(-+sqrt(1-+x%5E2-+(y- |
| 18:28.08 | Shirik | abs(x))%5E2))cos(30((1-x%5E2-(y-abs(x))%5E2)))%2C+x+is+from+-1+to+1%2C+y+is+from+-1+to+1.5%2C+z+is+from+1+to+5 |
| 18:28.10 | Shirik | oh wow that might have gotten cut off |
| 18:28.48 | zenzelezz | looks like a lot of it is redundant |
| 18:29.07 | zenzelezz | I'd guess everything after the first & following q= is junk |
| 18:29.28 | Shirik | probably |
| 18:30.49 | znf | http://goo.gl/Fwto0D there |
| 18:30.50 | znf | shorter |
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| 18:39.01 | jleclanche | anyone in the UK right now who can help me for about 2 mins? |
| 18:42.32 | Stanzilla | there is a reddit ama on /r/wow/ today and we're currently trying to come up with good questions, if anyone wants to participate https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bdlfPX5__fl-i44UK4RhJV2yiDKzQEIVuSzsR6g68Rk/edit |
| 18:44.06 | Fisker | fgsfds Shirik |
| 18:44.38 | znf | Someone has a Tormokk obsession! |
| 18:45.53 | znf | OH! OH! |
| 18:46.02 | znf | I want a way to dismiss missions! |
| 18:46.08 | znf | or cancel them |
| 18:46.28 | JTF195 | yes. please. |
| 18:46.35 | znf | or at least a small grace period :-/ |
| 18:46.40 | znf | like 5 minutes |
| 18:47.01 | jleclanche | i dont think an AMA is a good place for feature requests |
| 18:47.27 | karl_w_w | oh man |
| 18:47.29 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: ask them why the fuck they prevent paste in the battlenet store password fields (past the credit card validation) |
| 18:47.38 | karl_w_w | hearthstone expac comes out 8th |
| 18:47.47 | znf | You view it as an "AMA", I view it as a chance to get 10s of their attention span :P |
| 18:48.02 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: also ask them when they are going to do a damn audit of their dumbarse security practices what with their case-insensitive 16-character-limited passwords |
| 18:48.20 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: too technical |
| 18:48.29 | jleclanche | ASSKKKK ITT |
| 18:48.38 | Stanzilla | you ask it |
| 18:48.39 | jleclanche | (I'm very angry.) |
| 18:49.11 | Semlar | tries to calm jleclanche down |
| 18:50.10 | Thunder_Child | I'm with jleclanche, that cap on characters is very annoying. |
| 18:50.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@unaffiliated/yoshimo) |
| 18:51.17 | znf | Anyone knows what the f* happens when you have all followers recruited from the Inn? |
| 18:51.38 | jleclanche | ask them. |
| 18:51.49 | znf | There seem to be 291 followers |
| 18:51.56 | nevcairiel | znf: it probably stop offering you any more |
| 18:52.01 | znf | :o |
| 18:52.02 | nevcairiel | 291 weeks is a long time though :p |
| 18:52.03 | Semlar | yeah, presumably they stop |
| 18:52.23 | znf | well, 291 minus all the ones you get from achievements and quests |
| 18:52.25 | Semlar | you stop getting mounts to train at the stables after 6 |
| 18:52.48 | znf | So, realistically, ~240 weeks? napkin math? |
| 18:53.15 | Semlar | i didn't even expect it to be remotely that many |
| 18:54.42 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: there, contributed two questions |
| 18:54.53 | Primer | So normal and heroic raids don't lock you to a group right? Only mythic (when it's open)? |
| 18:55.09 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 18:55.11 | znf | looks at jleclanche |
| 18:55.15 | znf | really? "backstory"? :D |
| 18:55.16 | Primer | I mean, I can run with one group in normal, then do the same bosses again with another group, but just get no loot, right? |
| 18:55.21 | jleclanche | znf: what backstory? |
| 18:55.25 | nevcairiel | yes Primer |
| 18:55.38 | Primer | because I'm actually committed to 2 raids right now...and I'm not sure which one I'll be going with |
| 18:55.40 | Primer | thanks |
| 18:55.41 | znf | jleclanche, developing bodyguards? |
| 18:55.52 | JTF195 | znf: that was my question |
| 18:55.52 | jleclanche | znf: thats not mine and it's incredibly dumb |
| 18:55.58 | jleclanche | no offense JTF195. |
| 18:56.01 | znf | ok... |
| 18:56.14 | znf | we're trying to be a bit more on the technical side here :P |
| 18:56.15 | jleclanche | znf: im bitching about tooltips and archeology |
| 18:56.19 | jleclanche | pokes Guillotine |
| 18:57.17 | jleclanche | > With the recent hotfix making Treasure Maps soulbound, the Frostfire/Shadowmoon maps are now unobtainable cross-faction. Can we please get the Treasure Maps changed to account bound? |
| 18:57.18 | jleclanche | hahahahah |
| 18:57.30 | jleclanche | aw, my source of free gold |
| 18:58.10 | JTF195 | yup. frostfire maps were selling 3k per. sad day |
| 18:58.28 | JTF195 | (on a grossly overpopulated alliance server, that is) |
| 18:58.37 | jleclanche | i was pretty proud to have figured that one out early enough |
| 18:58.42 | JTF195 | same |
| 18:59.22 | nevcairiel | they should just sell the frostfire/shadowmoon maps on vendor of the opposing faction as well |
| 18:59.32 | jleclanche | yeah probably |
| 18:59.43 | nevcairiel | like, just at 100, or something |
| 18:59.47 | jleclanche | yer |
| 19:00.08 | JTF195 | they would have to make the achievements for those zones account-wide in order to unlock the maps |
| 19:00.26 | Fisker | Faceless Manipulators will now copy the Echoing Ooze as well as its effect. |
| 19:00.26 | Fisker | Faceless Manipulators will now copy the Echoing Ooze as well as its effect. |
| 19:00.28 | Fisker | I get it |
| 19:00.42 | jleclanche | 5 mana double goldshire footman |
| 19:00.45 | jleclanche | THE VALUE |
| 19:01.37 | jleclanche | Blood Imps will no longer target Imp Masters with no life left. Itâs dead, Jim. |
| 19:01.38 | jleclanche | haha |
| 19:01.41 | Fisker | or 5 mana almost double magma rager |
| 19:01.43 | jleclanche | that fucking hack |
| 19:02.36 | jleclanche | > Kel'Thuzad's mastery of undeath has been tempered and it will no longer resurrect itself after perishing at the hands of Ragnaros the Firelord. -- finally. i was really scared they wouldnt fix that... |
| 19:03.19 | JTF195 | as of right now, i'm going to get rid of my barracks as soon as i get the last two of my bodyguards to max rep. the bodyguard abilities are convenient, and the faction guards/banners are kinda cool, but nothing about the barracks really makes me stop and think to myself "i really love this building and want to keep it" |
| 19:03.23 | Fisker | I thought it would've been fixed years ago |
| 19:06.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Ironii (~ironi@85-76-171-230-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 19:07.52 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: when i mark a comment as read, im not marking it as read for everyone am i... shitty ui |
| 19:08.17 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 19:08.19 | Stanzilla | guess not |
| 19:09.04 | Stanzilla | when you mark it as resolved, it's for everyone though |
| 19:10.25 | jleclanche | i really like Aviana's feather. you appreciate flying in draenor a hell of a lot more that way |
| 19:10.41 | Stanzilla | best item |
| 19:22.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@75.133.100.116) |
| 19:23.57 | znf | then glider! :P |
| 19:27.12 | Primer | I thought that'd be nerfed by now |
| 19:27.20 | Primer | people were using that in bgs |
| 19:27.34 | Xuerian | It is nerfed now |
| 19:27.47 | Xuerian | As in, you can't use it in instances/bgs |
| 19:28.11 | Primer | but you still can in the world, is what you're saying, even Draenor |
| 19:28.21 | Xuerian | It was made for Draenor, so yes |
| 19:28.32 | Primer | oh, duh |
| 19:28.36 | Primer | I thought this was an old item |
| 19:28.45 | Xuerian | Nope, both the glider and feather are this expansion |
| 19:28.47 | Primer | I only recently got the Inn, so I haven't gotten that quest yet |
| 19:28.56 | znf | I have the quest |
| 19:28.59 | znf | I have like 20 inn quests :D |
| 19:29.02 | znf | didn't complete |
| 19:29.55 | foxlit | I'm reasonably sure I quizzed you on this before, but: t[1], t[1] = 2, 3 print(t[1]) -- is this guaranteed to be 3? |
| 19:30.53 | Xuerian | <insert at least it isn't javascript joke> |
| 19:33.30 | Amarande | oh right, Draenor actually still has an ocean in this time period :) |
| 19:33.49 | Amarande | I was starting to wonder if perhaps the saddest thing about no flying in WoD is actually having to go the long way round between the eastern zones |
| 19:33.58 | Amarande | but yeah, no twisting nether yet :) |
| 19:34.32 | Maldivia | foxlit: that should be 2, I think |
| 19:35.51 | foxlit | so it is, which is why I remeber that this case is weird. Is it guaranteed to be 2? |
| 19:39.18 | Xuerian | Might get a better answer in #lua? |
| 19:39.46 | Sharparam | why would you write that kind of code, i'm asking |
| 19:39.53 | zenzelezz | I try to avoid such expressions; I can never remember in which cases they evaluate in what order in any language |
| 19:39.56 | Amarande | foxlit: this is one of the reasons why WoW's decision to use Lua for their addon language makes me sad :P |
| 19:40.14 | Sharparam | what language would you want? :P |
| 19:40.16 | zenzelezz | Amarande: which other language would you prefer they'd used? |
| 19:40.24 | Amarande | I've always found it to be distinctly more of a pain to work with than any other language, possibly because it seems to demand such a different approach that experience with other programming languages is of little help |
| 19:40.32 | zenzelezz | let me guess, you want perl |
| 19:40.35 | foxlit | C's semantics around comma operators are sane. |
| 19:40.36 | Xuerian | But Lua is my waifu, Amarande, don't say hurtful things |
| 19:40.44 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/wviHo51.png |
| 19:40.50 | mikma | proving grounds |
| 19:41.01 | mikma | the greatest of motherfucking fuckups blizzard has ever invented |
| 19:41.02 | mikma | ever. |
| 19:41.09 | Amarande | zenzelezz: something that at least experience with coding in languages like C and friends or BASIC or such actually helps you in. :) |
| 19:41.13 | mikma | "get silver medal" my ass |
| 19:41.14 | foxlit | besides, I don't get why t[1], t[1] = a, b isn't transformed into _1 = a; _2 = b; t[1] = _1; t[1] = _2 |
| 19:41.29 | g0urra | mikma: that's a problem why? |
| 19:41.37 | Amarande | like for instance, the neverwinter nights scripting stuff wasn't too hard to grasp, it felt very C-like and the game framework already handled a lot of the OO hook stuff for you |
| 19:41.42 | zenzelezz | Amarande: pascal! |
| 19:41.51 | Xuerian | Amarande: You take that back right now, nwscript was a pain in the ass |
| 19:41.55 | mikma | g0urra: can't complete it with rogue to gain access into hc groups |
| 19:41.59 | znf | Y U MARK STUFF AS RESOLVED :-| |
| 19:41.59 | zenzelezz | I think unrealscript was similar |
| 19:42.19 | Amarande | Xuerian: nwscript felt easy to work with ... it was the damn conversation editor that always felt like a pain in the ass |
| 19:42.21 | foxlit | Sharparam: why would you write that kind of code, i'm asking << oh, it's very simple |
| 19:42.23 | g0urra | mikma: why not? |
| 19:42.24 | foxlit | I'm filtering an array. |
| 19:42.26 | mikma | g0urra: and my guildies are bunch if retard that they don't even wanna help anyone to gear up, they just wanna do hc groups |
| 19:42.36 | Xuerian | Amarande: Well I'm not going to say that the conversation editor wasn't worse, but still. |
| 19:42.39 | mikma | g0urra: sucky gear, not enough dps to kill the waves |
| 19:42.50 | Amarande | especially since I'm not even quite sure how much latitude it allows for re-ordering conversation tree entries, say |
| 19:43.00 | Amarande | I'm not even sure it did let you do that at all without a lot of deleting and redoing |
| 19:43.10 | foxlit | local i, n =1, #a while i <= n do if filter(a[i]) then a[i], n, a[n] = a[n], n - 1 else i = i + 1 end end |
| 19:43.12 | Xuerian | Amarande: Cut-and-paste mostl of the time, iirc |
| 19:43.18 | g0urra | and that must be blizzard's fault |
| 19:43.25 | Amarande | quite a pain when you have to plan everything out from the get go and can't easily alter stuff midstream |
| 19:43.39 | mikma | it's blizzards fault they added that as a requirement in order to get into hc rums |
| 19:43.43 | mikma | runs* |
| 19:44.03 | Amarande | yeah, the proving grounds haven't been a total disaster but they've had their share of problems |
| 19:44.06 | foxlit | mikma: you should record your failures and upload them to youtube. |
| 19:44.06 | g0urra | get better gear then |
| 19:44.06 | mikma | as i said, greatest fuckup they ever made, and garrison comes as second just a tad away |
| 19:44.10 | Xuerian | Amarande: Fair enough, but as someone who did a lot of PW scripting I'd still rather Lua. Don't get me wrong, I like static typing but nwscript was far too bare for what nwn turned in to |
| 19:44.37 | g0urra | "waaah I hate new things that are different" |
| 19:44.41 | Amarande | tanks are complaining a lot too it seems ... not so much the ability to handle tanking the mobs and such, but the fact that the timers penalise classes that don't do as much DPS |
| 19:44.50 | Amarande | e.g., warrior tanks are getting it somewhat badly |
| 19:44.50 | zenzelezz | PW? |
| 19:45.00 | mikma | yeah wife just said that she oneshotted the silver as healer |
| 19:45.01 | Xuerian | zenzelezz: persistent world servers |
| 19:45.14 | foxlit | (that way, we can provide usefulf feedback like 'I don't like your choice of variable names, and stop using globals because globals are bad and who uses XML anyway?') |
| 19:45.16 | mikma | with horrible gear before heroics |
| 19:45.32 | Amarande | the fact that tanks are complaining should be seen as especially ominous though, considering the fact that tanks are already in too short supply most of the time as it is :| |
| 19:45.46 | nevcairiel | i did PG first thing when i hit 100, with like 599 ilvl, was super easy both dps and heal |
| 19:45.51 | nevcairiel | people that fail are just terrible |
| 19:45.59 | Amarande | dps having trouble, may feel bad for the dps, but from a balance standpoint one could probably actually say that's a GOOD thing to some degree heh |
| 19:46.07 | Sharparam | all i want is innervate back |
| 19:46.10 | Semlar | if you can't do the proving grounds, you aren't ready for heroics, that's the entire point |
| 19:46.10 | Amarande | (since dps are in too large of supply) |
| 19:46.11 | Sharparam | monks still have mana tea, so |
| 19:46.17 | foxlit | I kind of whish the default UI showed you a preview of wave contents, though |
| 19:46.23 | g0urra | I did proving grounds all the way to gold in one go |
| 19:46.26 | foxlit | jusht slightly shlurring. |
| 19:46.55 | Semlar | if you can't manage silver you have no idea what you're doing |
| 19:46.56 | Xuerian | Wave contents would be nice. Also, wtb tank/heal fourth specs for pure DPS classes. |
| 19:46.58 | Amarande | Semlar: also, the situations presented in the PG are often not at all reflecting of what you actually have to deal with in "real life" |
| 19:47.13 | Sharparam | Xuerian: wave contents? |
| 19:47.19 | Amarande | but yeah, a legitimate complaint is that the timers place an emphasis on DPS output when that's not what is being tested (tank PGs) |
| 19:47.24 | Xuerian | Sharparam: What foxlit said |
| 19:47.33 | mikma | semlar: i do manage silver, but like i said, my rogue doesn't do enough dps currently. i tried with other spec also and it failed in the dps even more horribly |
| 19:47.37 | foxlit | it's nice to know that the wave is going to spawn a banshee on you |
| 19:47.44 | Sharparam | oh |
| 19:47.46 | Sharparam | well the waves are static |
| 19:47.49 | mikma | i was able to reach the 8/8 wave with subtlety because of the FoK |
| 19:47.55 | Semlar | it's not a legitimate complaint that you have to know how to do damage as a tank |
| 19:48.00 | Amarande | foxlit: the next wave will consist of the S block, followed by the Z block, followed by another S block and another Z. Have a nice day. :D |
| 19:48.01 | Sharparam | it's always the same mobs right? |
| 19:48.08 | foxlit | it's always the same mobs. |
| 19:48.09 | Semlar | every tank is capable of passing silver regardless of their class |
| 19:48.23 | znf | I could pass tanking as a ranged dps :P |
| 19:48.27 | znf | it's just that I don't have taunts |
| 19:48.42 | Semlar | you can definitely not pass tanking as a hunter, i've tried |
| 19:48.51 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/clown.gif |
| 19:48.52 | Amarande | znf: actually, it would be a nice touch if they had ranged tanking in WoW |
| 19:49.00 | znf | makes no sense |
| 19:49.03 | Sharparam | hm |
| 19:49.08 | Amarande | although it seems to be rare in MMORPGs in general ... SW:TOR is probably the only one I know of that does |
| 19:49.10 | znf | Semlar, I did bronze tanking |
| 19:49.11 | Sharparam | why can't i craft illusions from Ahm |
| 19:49.17 | Sharparam | it says i have no draenic dust |
| 19:49.18 | Sharparam | i have 245 |
| 19:49.21 | znf | but, silver... no way to get the mobs off :( |
| 19:49.22 | Semlar | znf: as what class |
| 19:49.35 | Semlar | a priest? |
| 19:49.49 | foxlit | the double-colossus (or whatever, big mobs) wave in gold tank final is annoying |
| 19:49.57 | foxlit | it seems like they both enrage at the same time and then things just go downhill. |
| 19:50.09 | Amarande | I suppose ranged tanking probably doesn't really work in fantasy RPGs due to the emphasis on I SMASH YOU FACE as a thing in medieval-style combat, heh |
| 19:50.31 | Amarande | it works for Star Wars and such because in modern and futuristic battles you usually fight with some sort of ranged gun anyway |
| 19:50.57 | Xuerian | BM tanking, go. |
| 19:51.28 | Amarande | hell except for MMOs sometimes ranged combat itself feels like an endangered species, due to how so many solo RPGs no longer have a party and therefore no way to pin down enemies so they don't keep trying to plant a fist or blade in your face as you shoot |
| 19:51.29 | Semlar | you might theoretically be able to do it as BM but i doubt it |
| 19:51.47 | Amarande | Actually, BM makes a good example as to the imperfections of the PG, then |
| 19:52.10 | Amarande | I still remember saving the occasional party's bacon around level 70-ish as BM with pet tanking |
| 19:52.20 | zenzelezz | Amarande: some RPGs do it alright with ranged stuff, but for the most part I never even try |
| 19:52.25 | Amarande | and that was generally after the assigned tank had faceplanted, so with a short party too |
| 19:52.34 | Semlar | BM sucks balls at the dps challenge so maybe it has a shot at tanking |
| 19:53.30 | Semlar | your pet wouldn't last two hits in a dungeon |
| 19:53.43 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, ranged is losing its lustre badly, another problem being ammunition |
| 19:53.44 | znf | Semlar, yes, shadow |
| 19:53.48 | Semlar | and it can't tank any bosses because 1. it can't taunt them and 2. bosses do additional damage to pets |
| 19:53.56 | Maldivia | Sharparam: do you have the dusts on you, or in the bank? |
| 19:54.04 | Sharparam | in reagent bank |
| 19:54.13 | Maldivia | Sharparam: that's probably why then |
| 19:54.20 | Sharparam | god damnit blizzard |
| 19:54.22 | Amarande | in many RPGs good ammo is often difficult or impossible to get in quantity (thanks WoW for not requiring it anymore ... and neither does SW:TOR, LOTRO, or FFXIV require it either) |
| 19:54.33 | Sharparam | what's the point of the reagent bank when i still have to run back and forth to grab mats |
| 19:54.34 | Semlar | i don't know if all mobs in dungeons do extra damage to pets or just bosses |
| 19:54.38 | Amarande | while at the same time sometimes (especially D&D based games with weapons immunity/Damage Reduction) being a basic necessity |
| 19:55.02 | Maldivia | Sharparam: well, don't know if that's the issue ... could also be that you're missing the runed cobber rod? |
| 19:55.04 | zenzelezz | in Anarchy Online you used to have to buy ammo in stacks of 100... which didn't exactly last very long. They eventually just added 50k ammo items |
| 19:55.15 | Amarande | In Wrath if you had crappy bullets? You lost some DPS. You were still functional. In BG2 if you didn't have enough plus-enough arrows? "WEAPON INEFFECTIVE BITCH" |
| 19:55.26 | Semlar | Sharparam: the point of the reagent bank is that you don't have to carry around a ton of reagents with you all of the time |
| 19:55.40 | Sharparam | i have runed elementium rod in inventory |
| 19:55.47 | Semlar | the fact that you can craft anything at all with the stuff in it without withdrawing them is a bonus |
| 19:56.01 | Sharparam | Semlar: but all the time i find myself having to run there because X thing doesn't actually use the reagent bank |
| 19:56.09 | Amarande | yeah the reagent bank feature is awesomeness |
| 19:56.18 | Semlar | i haven't had to withdraw anything from the reagent bank |
| 19:56.22 | Semlar | except vellums |
| 19:56.24 | nevcairiel | everything i ever do uses the reagent bank |
| 19:56.25 | Sharparam | it's useful for storing the thousand ores i don't use but eh |
| 19:56.26 | Semlar | because they're broken |
| 19:56.28 | Amarande | it's a feature long too long in coming |
| 19:56.38 | Amarande | especially after I started playing SW:TOR and noticed you could craft directly from the cargo hold there |
| 19:56.54 | Semlar | also jeeves gives me direct access whenever i need it |
| 19:57.07 | Semlar | and he only has like a 1 hour cooldown |
| 19:57.16 | Sharparam | argent slave is 4 hours :( |
| 19:57.41 | mikma | i even named mine as "Slaveboy" |
| 19:57.44 | Semlar | 4 hours would also probably be enough |
| 19:57.55 | Sharparam | i tried to name it "Argent Slave" but the system wouldn't let me |
| 19:58.00 | Sharparam | had to settle with "Argent Servant" |
| 19:58.07 | Semlar | i only open it to deposit the boatload of reagents i loot from my garrison |
| 19:58.22 | Amarande | huh, that's weird |
| 19:58.28 | Amarande | since it doesn't sound like Slave is a forbidden string |
| 19:58.31 | mikma | sharparam: in my case it's not in english, it's in finnish |
| 19:58.41 | Sharparam | damn finns! |
| 19:58.59 | mikma | i even have perfect hunter |
| 19:59.36 | mikma | it's called "bald", has pet called "hairy" and a lamp called 'shaved' (aka porclain in finnish) |
| 20:00.44 | Sharparam | a lamp? |
| 20:01.04 | mikma | magic lamp |
| 20:01.08 | Sharparam | ah |
| 20:05.13 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDEWhH095C8 |
| 20:05.22 | mikma | atleast stupid stuff like that can still make me laugh |
| 20:12.04 | Xuerian | foxlit: I may just be really, really horrible at math, but are you planning an exp/hour sort for missions too? |
| 20:13.28 | foxlit | Xuerian: maybe, but it's an annoyance. At the moment I just sort by follower XP and ignore the 8+ hour missions until I'm ready to log off. |
| 20:15.07 | foxlit | Suppose you have a mission that rewards 20k XP in 8 hours, or 11k XP in 4 hours, or 6k XP in 2 hours (trade a counter for a mount) -- which should exp/hour prefer? |
| 20:15.38 | foxlit | s/re/a/ |
| 20:16.41 | jleclanche | gvg arena not live in EU? |
| 20:17.11 | Xuerian | foxlit: That seems fairly straightforward for a "Most XP/Hour" sort, as compared to a "Most XP/mission" that we have now (right?) |
| 20:20.55 | foxlit | 6k/2 seems less appealing than 20k/8 to me. |
| 20:21.54 | Semlar | foxlit: master plan doesn't seem to want to level my epic follower |
| 20:22.07 | foxlit | Semlar: screenshot something? |
| 20:23.06 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/wkqmqku.jpg |
| 20:23.19 | Semlar | this might not be the best example because he's one level lower than the mission |
| 20:23.43 | Semlar | but it seems like it might be ignoring it because it's already epic |
| 20:24.14 | Fisker | jleclanche it should be I think |
| 20:24.16 | Fisker | but patch fails here |
| 20:24.19 | Semlar | or maybe it just prefers to level level 100 followers |
| 20:24.48 | foxlit | your E(XP) there is 0.50*(1000 + 560); 780 << 1530 |
| 20:24.57 | Simca | yeah |
| 20:25.10 | Semlar | so it's just because it's lower experience? |
| 20:25.16 | Simca | level 98 follower on a 99 mission is a waste of XP in MasterPlan's mind |
| 20:25.25 | Simca | mind as well get the most of the XP and use somebody else |
| 20:25.26 | Semlar | i don't have any lower level quests right now to check |
| 20:25.42 | foxlit | it's not avoiding epic followers on purpose, in any case. |
| 20:25.45 | jleclanche | Fisker: its patched now yeah |
| 20:25.48 | Semlar | i know it hasn't recommended him for any mission yet though |
| 20:25.56 | Fisker | You get no problems? |
| 20:26.08 | Fisker | I keep getting BLZBNTAGT000008A4 |
| 20:26.35 | Semlar | i'll check with a lower level mission when i get one |
| 20:26.42 | Fisker | Guess I'll try a reboot |
| 20:26.45 | fewyn | i'm so confused one of my level 100s has next to no missions in his log |
| 20:27.01 | Simca | it won't recommend him unless he's the most optimal choice for the mission |
| 20:27.16 | Simca | if one of your other followers will get more exp, they will get recommended |
| 20:27.22 | nevcairiel | i get barely any missions when i only have 100 followers active |
| 20:27.30 | nevcairiel | once i have a lower level, i get spammed by leveling missions |
| 20:27.44 | Simca | if you want to level him exclusively, use the bubbles on the main screen to select him and MasterPlan will sort the missions by his qualifications |
| 20:27.52 | Semlar | so keep one lower level follower around that you don't send on any missions? |
| 20:28.07 | nevcairiel | other than salvage boxes, those missions are useless though |
| 20:28.08 | fewyn | interesting |
| 20:28.19 | Semlar | but they give experience? |
| 20:28.19 | fewyn | yeah i have all levels 100s |
| 20:28.28 | foxlit | It's funny that I get dinged by both sides of this: "you should stop suggesting level 100 epic followers!", and "why aren't you suggesting I send epic followers to maximize success chance?" |
| 20:28.46 | nevcairiel | upgrading from blue to purple with 1k per mission just takes ages |
| 20:28.50 | Semlar | dings foxlit |
| 20:29.25 | Fisker | it started patching now |
| 20:29.26 | Fisker | woo |
| 20:30.41 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.59 | Simca | and it seems like the correct course of action is to keep a level 90 around |
| 20:33.18 | Simca | there are like 4 different rare missions at level 90 |
| 20:33.22 | nevcairiel | level 90 is too low, it unlocks the crappy brakcet of 90-95 missions, better to keep a 96-99 around |
| 20:33.33 | Simca | there are only 2 respec missions in the game, one at 90, one at 100 |
| 20:33.46 | Simca | doubles your chances to be in both brackets |
| 20:33.55 | Thunder_Child | damnit foxlit, stop updating faster than I can complain about things. |
| 20:35.14 | Fisker | I went full gvg jleclanche |
| 20:36.18 | Simca | weird |
| 20:37.10 | Simca | ahhh, Party Buffs section caps at showing 4 buffs |
| 20:37.29 | Simca | I have 6 Death Fascination buffs active and it wasn't showing them all |
| 20:38.31 | Simca | I don't know if you're improving blizz design flaws as well as adding your own features, but making it show more than 4 buffs would be a nice feature |
| 20:40.48 | Semlar | you're a little too fascinated with death |
| 20:41.24 | Semlar | is this all from the inn |
| 20:41.28 | Semlar | stop that |
| 20:41.38 | foxlit | you should file a ticket. |
| 20:42.35 | Fisker | wow this warrior had everything |
| 20:42.58 | relaxok | what re-arranges frames based on what other frames are open? like when you open the spellbook what makes it appear below the player unitframe? by default the position looks like its anchored to the actual top left |
| 20:43.10 | relaxok | covering the player unitframe |
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| 20:47.32 | relaxok | huh i guess its not anchored |
| 20:47.38 | relaxok | but still |
| 20:50.59 | Sharparam | there's a chinese worker somewhere that drags them for you |
| 20:51.11 | Amarande | Simca, I'm never really sure what Blizzard is doing lately :( |
| 20:52.07 | Xuerian | foxlit: Sucks getting both sides of the argument like that. Maybe explain in the selection tooltip what it is optimizing for? Or more clearly explain that if they pick experience it will optimize that over overall success? |
| 20:53.10 | Mr_Rabies | so |
| 20:53.16 | Simca | i think there are too many features of MasterPlan to explain within the UI itself |
| 20:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | do epic followers get anything other than counters to Timed Battle |
| 20:53.30 | Simca | yes |
| 20:53.37 | Mr_Rabies | because literally all of mine but one counter that now |
| 20:53.41 | Mr_Rabies | like 5 of them |
| 20:53.49 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: if you need it, you won't get it |
| 20:53.52 | Amarande | that's how the WoW RNG works :D |
| 20:54.07 | Simca | life* |
| 20:54.21 | Amarande | Do you have a raid group that never has a hunter or shaman? Then you get all the mail drops and ranged weapons you never wanted :) |
| 20:54.52 | Amarande | Do you still have use for every upgrade slot in LFR? Well, we've decided this lonely leprechaun wanted you to be his friend, so BAGS OF GOLD GALORE! |
| 20:56.12 | Amarande | Did the guy who's been waiting for his weapon upgrade for months have a car accident and we're all pulling for him to get better in the hospital while we have a substitute member of his class take his place? Oh yes, it'll drop then. Bonus chance if the substitute already has it. :| |
| 20:56.53 | Amarande | I think they bought the dice off of Black Isle when they were done making the Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale games |
| 20:57.17 | Amarande | (And yeah, I've never actually had a guildie end up in the hospital, but the RNG probably is that evil.) |
| 20:59.33 | Amarande | Simca: nah, the real life RNG usually works out pretty well for me ... other than that I still haven't won the lotto |
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| 21:28.39 | mikma | http://geekologie.com/2014/12/sounds-painful-cracking-nuts-with-a-nut.php |
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| 21:38.11 | foxlit | fun fact: if you jump out towards Stormwind from the Yalnu area in Everbloom, the game just non-ceremoniously kills you. |
| 21:38.33 | relaxok | what exactly triggers OnTooltipSetUnit? |
| 21:38.44 | relaxok | the client just sends that event when you mouseover a unit? |
| 21:39.15 | Neffi | relaxok: you do tooltipobject:SetUnit('unitid') (or the game does the internal equivalent) |
| 21:39.18 | relaxok | er i guess the client just calls GameTooltip:SetUnit |
| 21:39.33 | relaxok | and tha thandles the event |
| 21:39.45 | relaxok | but the client internally decides when to send that, its not in the UI? |
| 21:39.51 | Neffi | well most of the tooltip stuff is done internally by way of mysterious magic |
| 21:39.57 | relaxok | okay i figured |
| 21:40.10 | Neffi | the event handler for it is just there so Lua-side code can do extra stuff after the tooltip was magically populated with useful data |
| 21:40.19 | relaxok | time to make some magic then |
| 21:40.31 | Neffi | afaik all the tooltip contents pretty much happen C-side |
| 21:40.47 | relaxok | yeah i sadly expected as much |
| 21:41.05 | relaxok | luckily from the gametooltiptemplate and seeing how they look ingame it shouldnt be too hard to match |
| 21:41.28 | relaxok | as long as the lua decides what to hide/show/position |
| 21:41.52 | Neffi | depends what you mean by that |
| 21:42.03 | Neffi | a lot of it's decided C-side, not Lua-side |
| 21:42.45 | relaxok | you mean the C-side actually does :Hide/:Show of individual fontstrings? or just sets the text for them? |
| 21:43.05 | Neffi | it may. I don't recall. you'll have to do some testing if you want to replicate the behavior |
| 21:54.32 | zenzelezz | shame you can't C what they do on that side |
| 21:55.18 | relaxok | har har |
| 21:56.02 | relaxok | "how hard can it be" |
| 21:56.22 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 21:56.22 | purl | takes out zenzelezz with the trash |
| 21:57.23 | relaxok | time to parse/load framexml in release = 4 seconds.. time to parse/load framexml in debug = 7 minutes |
| 21:57.59 | relaxok | mm logging |
| 21:59.15 | relaxok | logigng every single event handler names as it happens |
| 22:02.06 | mikma | sounds like a hard work |
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| 22:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | ...lol |
| 22:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | the post master sent me a quest item |
| 22:13.00 | Mr_Rabies | for a quest i already finished |
| 22:13.36 | foxlit | So I have this comment: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/master-plan?comment=410 |
| 22:13.40 | foxlit | How would you solve that? |
| 22:14.18 | relaxok | foxlit: ah didnt know that was your addon, very cool |
| 22:14.37 | mikma | foxlit: "no." |
| 22:14.43 | foxlit | [the 0.7 style ordering sorts things where you have enough idle followers to mitigate each individual threat to the top.] |
| 22:15.14 | nevcairiel | I kinda agree with him, sometimes the sorting seems weird since its super opaque on how it sorts |
| 22:17.45 | foxlit | which makes this troublesome. |
| 22:18.15 | foxlit | it's not entirely unreasonable, but what it's proposing going back to has more than enough asterisks of its own. |
| 22:18.17 | nevcairiel | same for the group building, it seems to build rather low percentage groups and not even offering a 100% option in the lfg-eye dropdown, despite it being an option |
| 22:18.35 | nevcairiel | and you just dont know why |
| 22:19.33 | nevcairiel | like, when i run low-level missions, i mostly run them for salvage boxes, and i dont care if some rare follower gets 200 xp, or the 200 xp are wated on an epic follower :d |
| 22:19.41 | nevcairiel | wasted* |
| 22:20.32 | Simca | <nevcairiel> and you just dont know why |
| 22:20.38 | Simca | it maximizes the reward |
| 22:20.55 | Simca | if the reward is XP and it isn't a good amount, then it might be more beneificial to use lower % groups |
| 22:21.11 | Simca | also, succeeding at a mission is entirely unrelated to salvage boxes |
| 22:21.25 | Simca | so not sure why you brought that up |
| 22:21.39 | nevcairiel | i like my followers to succeed at missions, ok? :P |
| 22:22.09 | mikma | dont we all |
| 22:22.23 | nevcairiel | especially if i dont care about 200xp |
| 22:22.39 | Ironii | imo the lfg dropdown menu should be sorted the same way you choose to sort your missions |
| 22:22.41 | nevcairiel | because 200 on a 120k progress bar are just nil :p |
| 22:23.01 | Simca | you're basically asking if the addon can cater to a playstyle where you want your followers to succeed and ignore XP just because |
| 22:23.17 | Simca | that's pretty silly. |
| 22:23.50 | nevcairiel | i'm saying it should ignore xp gain when the follower is 100 and the mission yields 200 xp |
| 22:24.12 | Simca | but there is no reason to do that except whimsy |
| 22:24.14 | Ironii | sometimes you just want to have 100% chance on the misson |
| 22:24.28 | Simca | why |
| 22:24.30 | Mr_Rabies | i wish the sorting was a bit more configurable but i have zero clue how to make that possible |
| 22:24.47 | Mr_Rabies | like, i'd rather have xp per hour as a sorting option as well |
| 22:24.57 | Ironii | becouse you want to have the reward? |
| 22:25.20 | Simca | if the reward is not XP, it will always maximize success chance |
| 22:25.24 | Simca | we're not talking about that. |
| 22:25.29 | Mr_Rabies | if a mission awards 1000 XP and has a 20k xp bonus award |
| 22:25.36 | Mr_Rabies | you better bet i'd rather get that to 100% than 99% |
| 22:25.45 | Ironii | ^that |
| 22:25.45 | Mr_Rabies | but i just do those manually |
| 22:26.05 | nevcairiel | i only use the auto-grouping thing on my alts anyway, where i dont really bother to care |
| 22:26.10 | Mr_Rabies | still, at one point i was able to do those with master plan |
| 22:26.17 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: you better bet i'd rather get that to 100% than 99% << that seems irrational. |
| 22:26.26 | Simca | it is irrational |
| 22:26.28 | nevcairiel | foxlit: humans are irrational, deal with it |
| 22:26.33 | Mr_Rabies | i've had too many 99% missions fail |
| 22:26.36 | foxlit | yes, yes, trying to. |
| 22:26.40 | Mr_Rabies | or at least 90% |
| 22:26.50 | relaxok | i'm having GameTooltip:SetText hide all strings and textures and unhide $parentTextLeft1 |
| 22:26.52 | foxlit | Suppose you can get 99% with 3 followers who'd benefit from the xp. Would you still want 100% by stacking the group with two level 100 epics? |
| 22:26.58 | Mr_Rabies | if it's not 100% and it's a 10 hour mission, you have a good chance of wasting your time |
| 22:27.01 | relaxok | set that text and resize the frame based on the string size |
| 22:27.01 | Mr_Rabies | two no, but one, maybe |
| 22:27.07 | relaxok | i really wish that was in lua and wasnt me guessing though |
| 22:27.18 | nevcairiel | you can argue those cases away with statistical probabilities and whatnot, but the human still feels terrible when his 93% mission with the nice reward failed |
| 22:27.31 | Ironii | if i want to to get that experience to that one follower that benefits from it, sure |
| 22:27.54 | Mr_Rabies | i've had entirely too many 90%+ ones fail, if the reward is something i want i'm pushing it to 100% |
| 22:28.04 | Mr_Rabies | so i just do it manually if i have to, no biggie |
| 22:28.05 | Simca | i guess you could add yet another 3 options to the eye, foxlit - use one set of 3 options to maximize success and the other 3 to maximize XP |
| 22:28.26 | Mr_Rabies | the game's meant to do it manually anyway so it's really not a big deal |
| 22:28.28 | Simca | that's the only solution i see without wrecking current functionality (which is great) |
| 22:28.37 | nevcairiel | i think it should just always offer a 100% option in the dropdown if one is possible |
| 22:28.44 | nevcairiel | like, as a fourth option if need be |
| 22:29.12 | nevcairiel | user can still decide if he wants it then |
| 22:29.21 | Ironii | imo if you choose to sort your missions by success rate the lfg eye should also do so |
| 22:29.42 | Ironii | or if you choose to sort it by experience, then sort the dropdown menu by it |
| 22:29.55 | foxlit | nev's suggestion is basically what I'm going with. |
| 22:29.57 | Simca | that's too obtuse of an option |
| 22:30.23 | Simca | because then the option to control a dropdown menu on one screen exists on a different screen |
| 22:30.33 | Simca | nev's suggestion is good |
| 22:30.42 | nevcairiel | i agree with Simca, that would be weird |
| 22:30.47 | foxlit | Ironii: that breaks the success sort entirely |
| 22:30.54 | foxlit | at some point, you'll have enough 100 epics to 100% everything. |
| 22:31.04 | foxlit | doesn't mean you should. |
| 22:31.48 | nevcairiel | unless its one of those fancy rares where you need 2 or 3 followers with both counters matching exactly, i can usually 100% everything already |
| 22:31.54 | nevcairiel | of course for xp missions that makes no sense |
| 22:32.21 | nevcairiel | in related topics, i wish i would get more lvl 100 missions |
| 22:32.28 | nevcairiel | its kinda boring now |
| 22:32.50 | Simca | i have about 12 rare 100s and right now i like masterplan maximizing every drop of XP possible because it's the only way they'll get epic within my lifetime |
| 22:33.00 | Simca | already had 3 increase recently |
| 22:33.18 | nevcairiel | 12 of my 25 are epic |
| 22:33.58 | Simca | i think i have like... 8 |
| 22:34.00 | nevcairiel | 4 are working and dont usually go on missions since they'll be always working, leaves 7 rares and 2 uncommons right now |
| 22:34.22 | Simca | but one of those is a human with mediocre abilities so i'm probably going to trash him soon |
| 22:38.23 | foxlit | bugs me that you can't edit things from phrase overview pages like http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/localization/phrases/16-ready/ |
| 22:38.50 | foxlit | (also: the entire export process) |
| 22:39.16 | nevcairiel | it was primarily designed to be used with the packager automatically shoving it into some lua file i guess |
| 22:39.39 | nevcairiel | also, is there no READY global string or something? :d |
| 22:40.12 | foxlit | global strings generally don't work. |
| 22:40.13 | Primer | So is the little clock icon with some time next to it in the mission summary the amount of time that mission will be available? |
| 22:40.30 | Primer | Seems like a safe bet |
| 22:40.35 | Simca | amount of time until you will have enough followers to 100% it |
| 22:40.39 | foxlit | no; the amount of time until your best party for that mission is available. |
| 22:41.22 | Primer | foxlit: But all missions are on a timer, right? I mean, eventually they go away if you don't do them? |
| 22:41.39 | foxlit | Maybe. |
| 22:41.51 | Simca | no, not all missions |
| 22:42.05 | Simca | The Night Watch, for instance |
| 22:42.06 | Primer | so what's the % under the time? |
| 22:42.09 | Simca | will never go away |
| 22:43.11 | Primer | I can hardly remember what the original UI for missions looks like |
| 22:43.39 | foxlit | best* current group success chance. |
| 22:43.53 | Primer | amazing |
| 22:44.31 | Primer | Do you know if the first 3 x Abrogator stone stays there indefinitely? |
| 22:44.38 | Primer | because I still can't mitigate all the shit |
| 22:44.49 | nevcairiel | not indefinitely, but its timeout is very long |
| 22:45.09 | foxlit | best current guess is reflected in the Pending: line in the mission details. |
| 22:45.17 | foxlit | Maybe that's accurate, maybe that's not accurate. |
| 22:45.42 | Simca | i'm pretty sure it is, foxlit. I had a mission at 35/36 hit 36/36 and disappear |
| 22:45.57 | foxlit | Yeah, I have logs with n=1 too. |
| 22:48.05 | Semlar | i found a slight problem trying to measure the flight maps to place the icons on the world map, they don't actually line up with where the flight masters are |
| 22:48.23 | mikma | i must say |
| 22:48.28 | nevcairiel | yeah the flight map is more of an illustration than an accurate map |
| 22:48.32 | mikma | i thought david tennant was a good doctor |
| 22:48.39 | mikma | until i started to watch this season 5 |
| 22:48.40 | Semlar | the best doctor* |
| 22:48.54 | Simca | yeah Semlar and they move |
| 22:48.58 | Semlar | what |
| 22:49.06 | Simca | their placement is entirely arbitrary |
| 22:49.12 | Semlar | they move? |
| 22:49.29 | Simca | for horde there are two flight masters about 12 yards apart in talador |
| 22:49.48 | mikma | semlar: oh but he was good, but so is matt smith |
| 22:49.57 | Simca | if you look at the second one's map, it shows your current location as much farther north |
| 22:50.05 | Simca | if you look at the first one, it does not |
| 22:50.14 | nevcairiel | i didnt really like matt smith in the first half of the season, he was too weird at first |
| 22:50.36 | Semlar | well, the flight map ui fudges the locations if the icons are going to overlap |
| 22:50.55 | Semlar | it actually checks if there's already an icon where it's going to place another one and moves it |
| 22:51.00 | mikma | nevcairiel: it was for 2 episodes on me, but now he's good also |
| 22:51.24 | nevcairiel | of course amy offsets any weirdness on his part |
| 22:52.03 | mikma | she does her job pretty damn well |
| 22:52.04 | p3lim | 3v2 mission, 82%, 645 weapon reward (for me), yes or no? |
| 22:52.08 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LNHHtCM.jpg :| |
| 22:52.29 | Semlar | i think i can solve this though |
| 22:52.41 | Semlar | i only need to use the locations from the flight master on the continent map |
| 22:52.54 | Semlar | the rest i should be able to place using landmarks, assuming their names match |
| 22:53.01 | Semlar | that's kind of a big if |
| 22:53.38 | mikma | nevcairiel: altho i did also like martha jones, quite alot |
| 22:54.06 | Semlar | eh, who needs to fly anywhere in azeroth anyway |
| 22:54.21 | Neffi | maybe i do |
| 22:54.43 | Semlar | well... too bad |
| 22:54.53 | Semlar | you'll have to walk |
| 22:57.07 | Neffi | but that could take, like, forever |
| 22:58.57 | Semlar | better get started |
| 23:00.41 | Amarande | hm, can you get back to vashj'ir by mount or do you have to use the flight master? |
| 23:01.32 | Semlar | why would you want to go back to vashjir |
| 23:02.17 | xyphoid | p3lim: i am 2/2 for 645 missions at 80% or so so go ahead! you can't fail! |
| 23:02.45 | p3lim | Already failed a 97% mission for abrogator stones :/ |
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| 23:07.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's okay, alligators are plentiful |
| 23:07.36 | Mr_Rabies | i'm up to like 11 and we just killed 2 bosses on normal |
| 23:12.48 | Amarande | Semlar: I suppose you might want to tame Ghostcrawler, if you didn't find him the first time you were there |
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| 23:29.05 | A-KO | So my guild wants to do 'normal' raids |
| 23:29.13 | A-KO | they're all like "OMG HEROICS WE DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO THAT!" |
| 23:29.20 | A-KO | yay blizzard, thanks for confusing the shit out of people |
| 23:29.25 | mikma | hihi |
| 23:29.47 | mikma | and people whined to me when i complained about blizzard spoiling the game... |
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| 23:33.16 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: 0-2 trump gvg arena |
| 23:33.37 | jleclanche | topdecking and meching |
| 23:36.18 | Amarande | A-KO: LOL imagine if Devil May Cry 3 had been an online game :) |
| 23:36.53 | karl_w_w | my first arena draft is really fucking shit jleclanche |
| 23:37.08 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: yeah im seeing only shit picks available to him too |
| 23:37.08 | karl_w_w | it basically only offered me 2 drops every time |
| 23:38.43 | karl_w_w | holy shit i cast mage's unstable portal |
| 23:38.47 | karl_w_w | and got neptulon |
| 23:39.19 | karl_w_w | which is a 7 cost 7/7 add 3 murlocs to your hand overload 3 |
| 23:39.48 | jleclanche | 4-mana neptulon |
| 23:39.48 | karl_w_w | 4 murlocs sorry |
| 23:39.50 | jleclanche | nice |
| 23:39.59 | Amarande | they're murlocs, it's easy to lose count :D |
| 23:40.05 | Simca | unstable portal? does that prevent the overload by summoning directly? |
| 23:40.09 | Wobin | haha, oh flightmaps >< |
| 23:40.23 | Wobin | *insert magic number multiplicand here* |
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| 23:41.30 | jleclanche | Simca: i doubt it |
| 23:41.39 | jleclanche | Simca: the cost is reduced, the minion is not summoned directly |
| 23:41.45 | jleclanche | adds to hand not to field |
| 23:42.26 | karl_w_w | i cast it on turn 2 as well so i got him out on turn 4 |
| 23:42.33 | Fisker | What the fuck are the people amaz is playing against doing |
| 23:42.56 | karl_w_w | zombie chow into unstable portal into spider tank into neptulon |
| 23:42.59 | karl_w_w | game won |
| 23:42.59 | jleclanche | oh maaannnnn |
| 23:43.00 | Fisker | I got super rekt by some sick combos :( |
| 23:43.11 | jleclanche | amaz is gonna lose 1-3 |
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| 23:43.14 | jleclanche | er, trump |
| 23:43.45 | jleclanche | well maybe |
| 23:48.13 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: haha he's getting the clueless ones now |
| 23:55.59 | karl_w_w | should I call in sick today jleclanche? |
| 23:56.29 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: im just gonna watch trump |
| 23:56.59 | A-KO | anyone have an ele shaman geared? |
| 23:57.01 | A-KO | what's your DPS like? |
| 23:58.24 | Amarande | Fisker: it's amazing how people can sometimes almost inexplicably just like, melt down at strategy games |
| 23:58.51 | Amarande | like old chess classics of yore, where you can't really easily pinpoint a distinct mistake on the part of the loser, their position just keeps getting worse and worse and worse like they just *had* to lose no matter what they did |
