| 00:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | nope, kd3, if you mean the raid bonus vendors |
| 00:09.00 | znf | kd3, nope |
| 00:09.06 | znf | raid starts = seals start |
| 00:09.16 | znf | you can't get it from the warmill either, yet |
| 00:09.33 | Mr_Rabies | also, is there a way to unset a championed faction entirely |
| 00:09.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm tired of seeing that i'm gonna gain rep with the anglers/tillers/etc when i run a dungeon, because i'm not |
| 00:09.55 | Mr_Rabies | and none of the WoD factions support it |
| 00:11.06 | foxlit | I have a seal from garrison missions, though |
| 00:13.16 | tz | awesome, DC'd during garrison cinematic |
| 00:13.34 | tz | did blizzard contract ubisoft to do WoD or something |
| 00:14.24 | Mr_Rabies | how is the overlayed text displayed in the cinematics anyway? are they prerendered and compressed really well? |
| 00:16.14 | foxlit | 1024x256 blps |
| 00:16.24 | Gnarfoz | znf: you're wrong, the chance is the same. it's just bad luck. |
| 00:16.42 | znf | Gnarfoz, you have lvl3? |
| 00:16.44 | Gnarfoz | (yes, the pool of crap items is even more huge with L3) |
| 00:16.46 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 00:17.09 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowdb.com/items/114120-big-crate-of-salvage#related:contains-item compare: http://www.wowdb.com/items/114119-crate-of-salvage#related:contains-item |
| 00:17.46 | Gnarfoz | same chances for the upgrades... 10%+8%, ~2.5%, ~1% |
| 00:18.34 | znf | feels lower! |
| 00:18.52 | Gnarfoz | pray to RNGsus |
| 00:52.58 | Torhal | New Master Plan. |
| 00:53.16 | tz | Plan....B?!?! |
| 00:53.50 | tz | I know, I know... I'm hilarious. Try the steak. |
| 00:54.48 | Torhal | punts tz to a new time zone. |
| 01:15.58 | Neffi | attaches Torhal to a turntable and goes old-school hip-hop on it. |
| 01:16.28 | Torhal | launches the turntable needle into Neffi's forehead. |
| 01:16.38 | Neffi | oww |
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| 01:19.54 | Simca | got the formula for itemlevel's contribution to success in garrison missions |
| 01:20.49 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: I think I am an addict >.< |
| 01:21.01 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: an addict of what, exactly? |
| 01:21.02 | kd3 | you thiink? |
| 01:21.11 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: I bought another monitor. |
| 01:21.22 | Iriel | Ah, yes, I think you have a problem. |
| 01:21.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart kd3 |
| 01:21.23 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives kd3 a good jolt |
| 01:21.45 | Iriel | I can give you a shipping address if you want me to help your therapy by accepting any additional ones you might need to offload. |
| 01:21.49 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Although if you wanted a 4K monitor, now is the time to get one. |
| 01:21.58 | Thunder_Child | Cute... |
| 01:22.02 | Iriel | Is there a /good/ one anywhere affordably? |
| 01:22.15 | Thunder_Child | Bother are subjective. |
| 01:22.17 | Thunder_Child | Both* |
| 01:23.04 | Simca | if TC is a monitor addict, her definition of affordable may be very different from yours |
| 01:23.18 | Iriel | Me definition of affordable is âgenerousâ |
| 01:23.20 | Iriel | âgoodâ less so |
| 01:24.31 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: This will be $480 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ud590-series-28-led-4k-uhd-monitor-black/5484022.p?id=1219133600805&skuId=5484022 |
| 01:26.02 | Iriel | Any others on deep sales? |
| 01:26.12 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: http://www.macmall.com/p/Dell-Monitors/product~dpno~9931600~pdp.ifeeebh |
| 01:26.24 | Thunder_Child | Define deep? |
| 01:28.24 | Iriel | Deep = Worth getting a âless awesomeâ 4K monitor now rather than waiting until next year I guess. |
| 01:28.43 | Thunder_Child | Ah |
| 01:29.05 | Thunder_Child | http://www.macmall.com/p/ASUS-Monitors/product~dpno~9717787~pdp.idddefc - Although that is very expensive. |
| 01:30.27 | Iriel | Still, itâs a lot better than than they used to be. |
| 01:31.18 | fewyn | the house smells so good right now |
| 01:31.29 | fewyn | i'm making pumpkin pies |
| 01:31.32 | fewyn | and cookies |
| 01:31.46 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Agreed. |
| 01:32.13 | Iriel | Thatâs right at the upper edge of what iâm willing to pay too |
| 01:33.55 | kd3 | holy hell weapon enchants are not. cheap. this time around |
| 01:34.00 | kd3 | 15 crystals? |
| 01:34.09 | fewyn | yeah |
| 01:34.10 | Simca | they're getting changed to 5 crystals |
| 01:34.16 | fewyn | just the tank/healer ones |
| 01:34.17 | fewyn | i think |
| 01:34.29 | Simca | ah |
| 01:34.51 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Were you interested in pro? |
| 01:35.34 | Iriel | I find bad color infuriating |
| 01:35.42 | Iriel | my existing 30â is a pro dell monitor |
| 01:36.13 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&sku=UP275K3 Could skip the line and go directly to 5k! |
| 01:36.44 | Iriel | Thatâs above my acceptable price ceiling |
| 01:38.26 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=210-ACBL That would be the next logical step up for you, but I suspect it will take some time to come down to your price range. |
| 01:46.00 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Well I lied. Both sears and Walmart have it for 1765. |
| 01:46.14 | Iriel | Interesting. |
| 01:46.23 | Iriel | Iâm reading reviews, and doing dailies |
| 01:46.47 | Thunder_Child | Directron has it for 1634, don't know how shady the site is though. |
| 01:50.11 | Thunder_Child | The upside to Directron is no tax. |
| 01:50.17 | Thunder_Child | Unless you are in Texas. |
| 01:55.24 | Iriel | Iâll have to keep an eye on that UP3214Q |
| 02:00.13 | kd3 | heh, Wood Annihilator XXI the Third, Jr. |
| 02:00.18 | kd3 | blizz is having fun with names this expansion |
| 02:01.47 | Iriel | Yay, got my Treesassinâs Guise |
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| 02:09.23 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Iâll need to see pictures of your setup once you add the new one |
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| 02:32.27 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Alas it is a replacement since I was silly and did not get the 4K with vesa mounts. |
| 02:33.04 | Thunder_Child | So I can only handle 5 monitors on my desk. |
| 02:39.18 | znf | "only" 5 |
| 02:39.19 | znf | pleb! |
| 02:39.31 | Thunder_Child | I know :( |
| 02:39.44 | Thunder_Child | I only have so much space in my room. |
| 03:04.38 | kd3 | welp, time to empty the steam sale category of my rss reader |
| 03:04.43 | kd3 | 1300 articles and counting |
| 03:08.26 | xyphoid_ | haha mine goes through pipes to cut it down to only GOOD sales |
| 03:08.31 | xyphoid_ | so only 187 unread |
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| 05:04.12 | fewyn | hrm is there a catch up vendor before tanaan? |
| 05:04.25 | fewyn | i just realized my monk only has healing gear |
| 05:08.38 | kd3|hate`net | oh wow. so I got phylarch to be my follower and someone randomly just ran up and got the follower before he disappeared too |
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| 05:15.20 | znf | fewyn, so? the items are the same across specs; except trinkets/neck/cloak/rings |
| 05:15.44 | znf | but I don't know the actual answer to your question :P |
| 05:16.26 | fewyn | not for gear prior to warlords =p |
| 05:16.56 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/velen/lolwyn/simple |
| 05:17.05 | fewyn | i can't exactly dps as a healer |
| 05:17.32 | fewyn | guess i'll just buy this 393 green gear in townlong |
| 05:32.18 | Fisker | I'll just hey Torhal |
| 05:32.39 | Fisker | He won't know what hit him |
| 05:47.12 | znf | fewyn, huh? what are you talking about? ofc it does |
| 05:47.25 | fewyn | no it doesn't? |
| 05:47.30 | znf | cloak/trinkets/rings/neck are the only ones that can have spirit; everything else switches |
| 05:47.45 | znf | your set bonuses also switch |
| 05:47.50 | fewyn | [11:16:25] <fewyn> not for gear prior to warlords =p |
| 05:47.57 | znf | Yes it does |
| 05:47.58 | znf | ... |
| 05:48.17 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/2014-11-26_23-48-13.png |
| 05:48.18 | fewyn | nope |
| 05:48.33 | znf | ?!? |
| 05:48.41 | fewyn | it's only new warlords gear that switches |
| 05:48.58 | znf | wtf |
| 05:49.24 | karl_w_w | I got a new chest piece, and I can's imagine something that would less match with the rest of my transmog |
| 05:49.39 | znf | that's stupid :-| |
| 05:50.15 | kd3 | think how much more effort blizz would've had to make to redo all the old gear on top of the squish |
| 05:50.22 | fewyn | yeah |
| 05:50.26 | fewyn | i'm fine with it |
| 05:50.43 | fewyn | i'll have most of these greens replaced by the time i finish tanaan i think |
| 05:51.03 | fewyn | only doing it to unlock my garrison on all my alts so they can start garrison resource generating |
| 05:51.03 | znf | kd3, yeah, swap intellect for agility |
| 05:51.06 | znf | so hard |
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| 05:59.26 | znf | so, wtf, now I have to "guess"? http://i.imgur.com/s6MCEIl.png |
| 05:59.45 | znf | great, I'm stuck |
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| 06:07.11 | Thordurin | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:07.28 | Cairenn | hugs Thordurin |
| 06:11.32 | Fisker | watches |
| 06:11.43 | Thordurin | Cairenn hugs are the best hugs |
| 06:11.50 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:11.56 | Fisker | Let's agree to agree |
| 06:16.40 | znf | Shadowed, where exactly is "combat fader"?! |
| 06:16.47 | znf | Shadowed, been looking trough my config for 10 minutes now |
| 06:18.43 | znf | Simca, http://imgur.com/a/xImPa |
| 06:19.54 | znf | Simca, how could that possibly happen? O.O |
| 06:22.31 | Simca | the only difference between success and failure is the 3rd arg of GARRISON_MISSION_COMPLETE_RESPONSE |
| 06:22.45 | Simca | if you ignored that argument somehow, you would always show success |
| 06:24.21 | znf | I'm actually checking C_Garrison.CanOpenMissionChest(mc.currentMission.missionID), not the 3rd argument |
| 06:24.48 | znf | Shouldn't result in the same thing? |
| 06:29.17 | Simca | maybe |
| 06:29.40 | karl_w_w | it's a bit disturbing to be walking around your garrison and you turn around and your sen'jin fetish pet is following you |
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| 06:42.18 | karl_w_w | wow $200 for a fire phone |
| 06:53.40 | p3lim | Is there any good library to draw on the minimap? |
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| 06:56.31 | Neffi | p3lim: Astrolabe for doing icons |
| 06:56.40 | Neffi | for more complex drawing, not that I know of |
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| 07:18.27 | Semlar | draws on neffi |
| 07:19.51 | Simca | this trade chat post is simultaneously amazing and disturbing |
| 07:19.59 | Simca | [02:13:52] [2] [Nolok-Tro]: <Oh Bro So Pro I'm Gonna Blow> needs bros that can show they're pro. Looking for players that will take great care of their members, and won't just leave things hanging. Hoping to ram our way deep into SoO for loads of hot epics. Currently 1/14H. |
| 07:20.45 | Neffi | Semlar: happy turkey day |
| 07:20.46 | Simca | the first sentence is the best |
| 07:21.16 | Neffi | I want to join that guild |
| 07:21.56 | VIad | merry turkey day everyone |
| 07:22.06 | karl_w_w | wouldnt it be nice if we could move faster in our garrison |
| 07:22.19 | karl_w_w | like 20% bonus that stacks with everything |
| 07:22.58 | VIad | you in a hurry karl? you know they stall with garrisons - keeping things slow so we got something to do while they get time to work on content patches? :p |
| 07:23.23 | karl_w_w | welcome to wow |
| 07:23.51 | karl_w_w | i love when you have mail but the mailbox isnt ready to show you it yet |
| 07:25.34 | VIad | :D |
| 07:26.10 | karl_w_w | three cheers for the ol' relog |
| 07:26.57 | VIad | women drivers http://imgur.com/gallery/nBMuSMQ xD |
| 07:48.03 | karl_w_w | this level 3 salvage yard is great so far |
| 07:49.14 | znf | is it? |
| 07:49.25 | karl_w_w | it is |
| 07:49.59 | znf | karl_w_w, you mean the shaman stone?! |
| 07:50.14 | karl_w_w | i have no idea what a shaman stone is |
| 07:50.42 | znf | karl_w_w, that buff: http://i.imgur.com/rq1sebV.png |
| 07:50.51 | znf | 30% running speed while not in combat |
| 07:51.18 | karl_w_w | never heard of it |
| 07:51.20 | znf | O.O |
| 07:53.09 | znf | karl_w_w, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=155347 |
| 08:06.38 | karl_w_w | implying everyone is horde |
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| 08:11.10 | Simca | karl_w_w: Blessing of K'ore |
| 08:11.19 | Simca | shadowmoon valley equivalent i believe. |
| 08:12.14 | Mr_Rabies | there must be an equipment set bug |
| 08:12.44 | Mr_Rabies | i keep trying to define a cooking set as ignoring everything but the apron, rolling pin, and chef's hat |
| 08:12.55 | Mr_Rabies | and whatever the offhand is |
| 08:13.07 | Mr_Rabies | and it keeps randomly assigning gear to the other slots |
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| 08:13.26 | relaxok | whats the deal with e.g. SetThumbTexture(""), or any other texture, what does that do technically? |
| 08:14.03 | Torhal | Scrollbar "thumb" texture |
| 08:14.06 | Torhal | The slider handle |
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| 08:17.02 | Torhal | relaxok: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Slider/SetThumbTexture |
| 08:18.29 | relaxok | i know, i mean specifically setting it to "" |
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| 08:40.05 | Maldivia | Simca: morning :D |
| 08:40.43 | p3lim | Is there a way of checking if a buff was removed by the player? |
| 08:40.49 | p3lim | I can't really think of anything |
| 08:45.40 | Simca | yes, hook cancelaura |
| 08:46.55 | Stanzilla | p3lim: can you blacklist lieutenant thorn from quickquest, I always accidentaly sign up for prooving grounds :D |
| 08:47.06 | Stanzilla | or maybe the prooving grounds gossip option itself |
| 08:47.13 | p3lim | Stanzilla: On my todo list |
| 08:47.25 | Maldivia | Simca: did you want anything last night? |
| 08:47.36 | Stanzilla | p3lim: thanks mate |
| 08:47.46 | Simca | a new battle.net client build was pushed and i didn't get an email and i didn't know why |
| 08:48.05 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 08:48.20 | Simca | they apparently pushed it but didn't update the information you query - you would have had to run across it by bruteforce |
| 08:48.29 | p3lim | Stanzilla: run this while targeting her and give me the result: /dump UnitGUID'target' |
| 08:48.50 | Simca | which would have been pretty simple given the small version increment and simple URL, but probably isn't something you were doing |
| 08:50.21 | Simca | new client had the NGDP URLs for "prometheus", which is overwatch apparently |
| 08:50.59 | Simca | had some overwatch artwork for the client and its installer as well |
| 08:51.38 | Stanzilla | p3lim: blacklisting the gossip option would be more universal/better, no? |
| 08:52.21 | Stanzilla | great, got DC'd |
| 08:52.31 | Stanzilla | in the case it didn't end up here because of the dc |
| 08:52.33 | Stanzilla | p3lim: blacklisting the gossip option would be more universal/better, no? |
| 08:52.42 | Maldivia | Simca: ahh, nice -- yeah, my scanner only scans the actual patch server, doesn't try to do active searches for new versions... was considering it, then ngdp came along and I said, screw it :) |
| 08:52.52 | Simca | irony |
| 08:52.55 | Stanzilla | p3lim: but if not, Creature-0-3769-1159-31803-79953-000076E647" |
| 08:53.12 | p3lim | Stanzilla: that requires a database of the string for the gossip option in every language, rather than blacklisting by npc id, so no |
| 08:53.18 | p3lim | thanks |
| 08:53.22 | Stanzilla | right |
| 08:53.27 | Maldivia | Simca: and you mean the "pro" endpoint for overwatch? |
| 08:53.32 | Simca | yeah |
| 08:53.45 | Maldivia | ok, for some reason, I already had that in my script, no idea where from :) |
| 08:53.54 | Simca | well that and the entire entry is literally described as prometheus |
| 08:54.18 | Simca | we saw it as a possible URL back in feb/march when first investigating NGDP - we assumed it just stood for 'program' or something |
| 08:54.31 | Simca | ironic that it is actually overwatch |
| 08:55.04 | Maldivia | kind of, yeah :) |
| 08:55.24 | Maldivia | they probably figured out that reusing bnt was bad :) |
| 08:57.39 | Simca | double-clicking Far Cry 4 on my desktop launches Steam which launches Uplay which launches Steam again. the entire process is amusing to watch. |
| 08:59.47 | haste | sad that it's become like that =/ |
| 09:01.40 | Mr_Rabies | here's the solution: don't buy games that do that shit |
| 09:02.12 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't bought an ubisoft game in years, except blood dragon because i was dumb and forgot about uplay, but as soon as i can trade that for something decent on steam i will |
| 09:03.04 | znf | Hmm. Been fishing for 2 hours with my normal fishing pole, now I get http://i.imgur.com/RssYyyU.png |
| 09:03.53 | Simca | i've played the game for 8 hours and launched it 4 times, which probably cost about 15 extra seconds of my life. i think it's an exchange i can afford |
| 09:06.33 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/s1.jpg http://go-hero.net/i/s2.jpg << so yeah. |
| 09:07.17 | znf | foxlit, how? |
| 09:07.46 | Ivnedar | the order they were put in? |
| 09:08.06 | Simca | yeah i've seen it happen in two different cases |
| 09:08.49 | Simca | both involved two followers sharing an ability that countered an active mechanic |
| 09:10.07 | znf | Hmmm |
| 09:10.14 | foxlit | znf: Ivnedar is right; it's the order the followers were added in. |
| 09:10.34 | znf | I see a lot of people mentioning that if you put the follower before you claim he work order, you get more mats |
| 09:10.42 | Ivnedar | So is it not recalculating from scratch each time you add someone in? |
| 09:10.45 | znf | (as opposed to have it in there all the time) |
| 09:10.47 | znf | Can anyone confirm? |
| 09:11.02 | nevcairiel | dont exploit znf |
| 09:11.05 | Ivnedar | znf: that's how I was told to do it, the workorder bonus is applied when looting the crate |
| 09:11.07 | nevcairiel | or we'll report you |
| 09:11.09 | Simca | Ivnedar: no, the bug is calculation based |
| 09:11.25 | Simca | the problem is simple - they calculate which mechanic should receive the 50% 'already countered' penalty from left to right |
| 09:11.53 | znf | nevcairiel, well, I see it all over reddit O.O |
| 09:12.00 | nevcairiel | its still exploiting |
| 09:12.00 | Ivnedar | but in that example, the followers are in the same positions in the mission each time |
| 09:12.45 | Simca | oh wow, so it's based on the order added? |
| 09:12.52 | Ivnedar | that's what I was wondering |
| 09:12.54 | Simca | that makes sense if they cache the calculation result. |
| 09:12.55 | nevcairiel | reddit is a place for the scum of the internet to assemble, so no wonder :p |
| 09:13.06 | Ivnedar | so you add one follower, it calculates the results of base plus new follower |
| 09:13.18 | Ivnedar | add next follower, uses the previous result as the new base, calculates with new follower |
| 09:13.24 | Ivnedar | continue on til you fill all positions |
| 09:13.40 | Ivnedar | completely broken way of doing it, but it could result in that example |
| 09:13.57 | Simca | this is the "rule" I think they're not following properly: |
| 09:13.58 | Simca | 1a. If a mechanic is already countered completely, further counters to that mechanic are only worth 50% of normal. |
| 09:13.58 | Simca | 1b. If the follower(s) providing the complete counter(s) and the follower(s) providing the extra counter(s) are different levels, then the lower-level counter(s) are worth 0%. |
| 09:13.58 | Simca | 1c. Rule 1b also applies to itemlevels if the followers are level 100 - lower itemlevel extra counters are worth nothing. |
| 09:14.11 | Simca | 1b/1c specifically |
| 09:14.41 | Simca | in one result, it is acting like the lower-level counter is worth 50%, when it should be like the other result and worth 0% |
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| 09:15.58 | Ivnedar | how does that apply when there are 2 of the same counter to 2 of the same threat? |
| 09:16.23 | NuSuey | good job blizzard .. this is now a freaking steal https://eu.battle.net/shop/en/product/world-of-warcraft ..5e for 1-90 content and 30 days free? |
| 09:17.16 | Simca | Ivnedar: both counters should be worth 100%. However, that's the other case i've seen in this bug in, so I suspect in that case, they're accidentally applying 1a |
| 09:17.21 | Simca | based on order added |
| 09:18.22 | Ivnedar | I'm curious now as to the order added in those two examples, if it can be reproduced by taking followers out and putting them back in again |
| 09:18.55 | Fisker | whoa whoa lady "My staff is yours to command" |
| 09:19.06 | Fisker | You can't just come up on a guy like that and say something like that |
| 09:19.28 | Fisker | Damn garrison followers |
| 09:22.14 | Fisker | also pokemon is weird |
| 09:22.34 | Fisker | apparently a teenage son owning a house and letting his mom live there isn't strange |
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| 09:23.09 | Simca | it's japan |
| 09:23.15 | Simca | that's not weird in japan that is the norm |
| 09:28.35 | Fisker | You're japan :( |
| 09:29.43 | Simca | welp. there was a car coming straight at me and i decided the best course of action, clearly, was to headshot the driver and make it stop |
| 09:29.51 | Simca | unfortunately objects in motion stay in motion |
| 09:32.46 | Fisker | lol |
| 09:33.53 | Simca | realism ftl because i went from full hp with body armor to dead |
| 09:34.04 | znf | Fisker, how's your realms brawler queue? |
| 09:34.14 | Fisker | I wouldn't know |
| 09:35.00 | znf | You should check |
| 09:35.03 | Fisker | No |
| 09:35.05 | znf | Yes |
| 09:35.08 | znf | so I can leech your relam |
| 09:35.09 | znf | realm |
| 09:35.11 | znf | I want rank5 |
| 09:35.13 | znf | for follower |
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| 09:56.16 | Fisker | I can check now if it's still useful to you znf |
| 09:58.16 | Fisker | 7 znf |
| 09:58.26 | znf | thanks |
| 10:03.36 | znf | oh, next week is arena season start |
| 10:03.40 | znf | I'll have to do PvP :-/ |
| 10:03.57 | karl_w_w | are you contracted to do PvP? |
| 10:04.41 | znf | am I what now? |
| 10:04.52 | karl_w_w | contracted to do PvP |
| 10:04.56 | Ivnedar | znf's parental controls require a minimum ranking to be maintained to log in |
| 10:05.15 | karl_w_w | a contract is a legally binding agreement |
| 10:05.34 | znf | ... |
| 10:05.38 | znf | 660 gear, bro |
| 10:05.40 | znf | for raids! |
| 10:14.16 | Fisker | damnit |
| 10:14.21 | Fisker | lost a 77% mission |
| 10:14.31 | karl_w_w | can't wait to subvert blizzard's rules and install hearthstone on my phone |
| 10:14.46 | Ivnedar | to get home quicker? |
| 10:14.52 | Fisker | but I pretty much always win the the 60% coinflip with my scavenger |
| 10:14.53 | karl_w_w | damn straight |
| 10:15.13 | karl_w_w | i lost a 75% on my first abrogator stone mission |
| 10:15.42 | karl_w_w | i also lost a 95% yesterday |
| 10:15.47 | karl_w_w | on a 10 hour mission |
| 10:15.54 | karl_w_w | game hates me |
| 10:15.57 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 10:16.05 | Fisker | I think my apexis + 20k exp one was at like 85% |
| 10:16.08 | Fisker | lost it :< |
| 10:17.45 | karl_w_w | you can't transmog axes onto fist weapons |
| 10:17.46 | karl_w_w | fml |
| 10:18.13 | karl_w_w | nobody wants stupid fist weapons |
| 10:18.26 | karl_w_w | I'm not into fisting dammit! |
| 10:21.41 | Fisker | I totally am |
| 10:21.49 | Fisker | I just want a weapon though |
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| 11:07.39 | znf | Crap |
| 11:07.48 | znf | My 645 follower weapon mission disappeared :( |
| 11:08.29 | znf | Someone needs to write some sort of "first time seen" for missions :-/ |
| 11:08.45 | znf | looks at foxlit |
| 11:13.25 | Simca | that actually would be very useful |
| 11:13.38 | nevcairiel | he rather add an option to disable the summary-completion |
| 11:14.00 | Simca | he did |
| 11:14.10 | Simca | you can click the mission's title now |
| 11:14.13 | nevcairiel | without needing to press ALT all the time |
| 11:14.22 | Simca | in the list |
| 11:14.23 | nevcairiel | or fancy click zones |
| 11:14.30 | nevcairiel | just a simple option to turn it off, so simple! |
| 11:14.40 | Simca | he's morally opposed to option panels or something |
| 11:14.49 | nevcairiel | then he just sucks |
| 11:14.56 | Fisker | That's healthy Simca |
| 11:15.39 | nevcairiel | i would also take a slash option interface, as long as i can turn it off :P |
| 11:16.24 | Xuerian | No options panel required, just a checkbox in the bottom left or right corner, "Show mission completion animations", off by default |
| 11:16.24 | znf | Simca, would be easier to just add a damn checkmark below the view button |
| 11:16.30 | znf | ^ what Xuerian said |
| 11:16.53 | nevcairiel | if you look at his project on curse, every other comment asks about this |
| 11:17.46 | Simca | all i know is that he went to very substantial effort to avoid it and i wouldn't be surprised if he digs in on his position given the resistance |
| 11:18.10 | nevcairiel | why are so many people just so plain stubborn, ruining a perfectly fine addon :p |
| 11:20.19 | mikma | nevcairiel: i also asked that option cause my daughter loves to open the chests (she's 4) |
| 11:26.21 | mikma | wow. thats alot of bad comments |
| 11:26.59 | znf | yeah :-/ |
| 11:27.04 | znf | and all related to the same feature |
| 11:30.53 | Xuerian | I mean, I can sympathize with that one thing I just don't want in my addon but everyone else does |
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| 11:31.05 | Xuerian | But I also haven't been promoted by mmoc, soo >_> |
| 11:31.24 | znf | Xuerian, want to feel promoted by mmo-c? |
| 11:31.27 | znf | gives his addon to Xuerian |
| 11:31.32 | znf | here, have a blast with comments! |
| 11:31.42 | Xuerian | I'm good, thanks |
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| 12:04.20 | Simca | finally figured out how the multiplier for a follower being higher in level than the mission works |
| 12:04.54 | Simca | it is capped at +3 levels - if a level 94 follower with no traits/abilities and a level 100 follower with no traits/abilities did a level 91 mission, they'd have the same success |
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| 12:22.49 | Ivnedar | hrrm, interesting, you can't complete missions while in someone else's garrison? |
| 12:24.38 | znf | nope |
| 12:24.40 | znf | can't do anything |
| 12:24.52 | znf | only stuff I noticed working, doing herb work orders |
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| 12:42.14 | nevcairiel | you can use their disenchanting thingy in the enchanter building |
| 12:42.52 | Ivnedar | I had Leorajh with me in another garrison, I could see my mission board, I could see the missions completed |
| 12:43.04 | Ivnedar | it would just fail when trying to complete |
| 12:43.09 | nevcairiel | well with leo, certainly |
| 12:43.12 | Ivnedar | I step outside the garrison and it works fine |
| 12:43.15 | nevcairiel | huh, weirc |
| 12:43.18 | nevcairiel | weird* |
| 12:44.42 | znf | garrisons are wonky :P |
| 12:52.17 | karl_w_w | anyone seen predestination? |
| 12:52.23 | karl_w_w | that's a hell of a movie |
| 13:09.35 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/5fiUIRIttrdM.png wtf? |
| 13:09.49 | jleclanche | has anyone seen this? |
| 13:10.13 | Dagmar | Something broke, badly. |
| 13:10.41 | Dagmar | I'm curious about what led you to dragging the armor token over the follower slot tho |
| 13:11.05 | jleclanche | Dagmar: im not dragging it, it's the hover tooltip |
| 13:15.18 | Dagmar | Oh weeeird. Lemme see if I can replicate, because now I'm worried I should have noticed that |
| 13:17.35 | Dagmar | No tooltip there at all for me |
| 13:19.41 | Dagmar | ...not even on the missions that would return those items |
| 13:20.03 | Dagmar | Did you have any other windows up _under_ that? |
| 13:20.15 | Dagmar | ArkInventory is very bad about weird stuff with frames |
| 13:20.28 | Dagmar | Overlapping with AI tends to be dodgy at best |
| 13:21.52 | Dagmar | Unrelated, but I just discovered that the Filled Festive Mug I got from the very first NYE celebration not only refused to expire after a day... it also doesn't seem to run out of charges. |
| 13:22.05 | Dagmar | I knew it didn't expire, I was saving it, and just figured I'd use it up |
| 13:22.17 | Dagmar | I wish I'd known that before now. lol |
| 13:22.22 | Dagmar | It's like eight years old |
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| 13:34.04 | jleclanche | Dagmar: nothing under it |
| 13:34.06 | jleclanche | its part of the tooltip |
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| 13:52.38 | Fisker | I thought that was like public knowledge Simca |
| 13:52.40 | Fisker | O_O |
| 14:00.34 | jleclanche | is mark of the shattered hand a good enchant for caster dps? |
| 14:00.47 | jleclanche | it says melee weapon so i assumed not |
| 14:02.43 | nevcairiel | iut says melee weapon on all the enchants |
| 14:03.15 | jleclanche | and yet i can put it on my wand which is ranged |
| 14:03.59 | nevcairiel | we dont want to know what you put on your wand |
| 14:05.18 | nevcairiel | it works for casters in any case |
| 14:06.29 | Fisker | I want rid_ on my wand |
| 14:06.48 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
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| 14:19.45 | rid_ | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 14:19.52 | rid_ | why not a staff Fisker ? |
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| 14:53.45 | jleclanche | i think wow has come full circle regarding loot |
| 14:54.33 | jleclanche | the addition of armor tokens because of the rarity of loot for raiders, then the addition of justice points, the addition of a raid-tier of justice points |
| 14:54.46 | jleclanche | then dailies for justice points, valor points, etc |
| 14:55.39 | jleclanche | then personal rolls .. now we have personal loot |
| 14:55.56 | jleclanche | and specialized armor tokens |
| 14:57.40 | jleclanche | went from the concept of making gearing up a very involved and luck-based process to streamlining it and upgrading loot on a "the more you play" basis without involving points |
| 14:58.16 | jleclanche | and with luck only speeding the process up (warforge, extra sockets) |
| 15:00.29 | VIad | any reward by doing level 100 missions that require 615+ item level and only reward XP? |
| 15:01.00 | VIad | like a boost thing right? if you can fit one lowbie in there |
| 15:01.02 | jleclanche | VIad: XP is still useful to upgrade followers from rare to epic |
| 15:01.09 | VIad | ah right |
| 15:01.14 | VIad | I just have too many epic once atm xD |
| 15:01.25 | jleclanche | and yeah you can fit a lowbie but they will get 10% xp if red, 50% if orange |
| 15:01.52 | jleclanche | if you have nothing better to do it's still worth if it rewards like 20k |
| 15:02.07 | Dagmar | Well, I just threw a level 98 follower as the third man in a level 100 mission with a 10,000 point Xp bonus |
| 15:02.20 | Dagmar | I'd say that's a good thing even at a discount |
| 15:02.23 | jleclanche | Dagmar: if it requires an ilvl, the ilvl makes the difference |
| 15:02.24 | nevcairiel | i have enough uncommon/rares to upgrade those |
| 15:02.31 | jleclanche | Dagmar: so a 98 on a 615 will be red |
| 15:02.42 | Dagmar | I wouldn't put them into those |
| 15:02.45 | jleclanche | aye |
| 15:02.47 | Dagmar | Those have loots *I* can use. |
| 15:03.01 | Dagmar | I'm not messing about and risking losing a free 630 piece |
| 15:03.11 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, 615s also reward XP sometimes |
| 15:03.27 | VIad | but... why can't I boost my level 90 greenies efficiently if I got a 3 man mission and 2 of the slots are maxed out with 655 ilvl followers covering all the attributes? |
| 15:03.32 | Dagmar | Yes, 10,000 XP should take one of my guys up to blue tier |
| 15:03.38 | jleclanche | i got a 615 that rewards a 630 blackrock armor set |
| 15:03.51 | jleclanche | VIad: because bad logic |
| 15:03.56 | VIad | :< |
| 15:04.10 | karl_w_w | even a ilvl 600 guy will be red on an ilvl 615 mission |
| 15:04.48 | karl_w_w | the levels are 600, 601-606, 607-614, 615 |
| 15:04.56 | karl_w_w | dont know what's above 615 |
| 15:05.08 | jleclanche | you can level them up all the way to 655 |
| 15:05.17 | jleclanche | gives nothing past 645 tho |
| 15:05.26 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 15:05.52 | karl_w_w | not yet anyway |
| 15:07.08 | Fisker | I wanted a weapon |
| 15:09.59 | karl_w_w | well im not updating mx player |
| 15:10.32 | karl_w_w | kinda need an ac3 codec to hear the audio in videos |
| 15:24.01 | karl_w_w | wow has lost something by not having mobs in the world that you just can't take on |
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| 15:31.13 | jleclanche | do i have an addon trolling me or something? i have cthun's "you will die" playing every time i enter combar |
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| 15:31.55 | Fisker | probably an aggro management addon jleclanche |
| 15:32.05 | Fisker | I remember that back in like tbc or something |
| 15:34.12 | Arrowmaster | somebody said sounds have been fucked up this expansion |
| 15:34.29 | Arrowmaster | and they had that sound file playing in their garison |
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| 15:42.47 | karl_w_w | goda up |
| 15:57.19 | foxlit | and curseforge down. |
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| 15:57.32 | mikma | did you nuke it |
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| 16:09.53 | karl_w_w | is it possible to get into highmaul? |
| 16:10.02 | kd3 | not til dec 2 |
| 16:10.12 | kd3 | (or whenever next week's reset is for your region) |
| 16:11.22 | karl_w_w | i mean in the outside world |
| 16:11.32 | karl_w_w | by wall jumping or something |
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| 16:17.28 | kd3 | oh uh, I dunno. maybe? |
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| 16:42.54 | Simca_ | karl_w_w: probably. |
| 16:43.45 | Simca_ | it's possible to get into the instance atm through some shenanagians but blizzard was smart about it and all of the mobs have an aura that teleports you out of the instance if you get close to them. |
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| 16:48.09 | Fisker | Would be smarter as a honey pot Simca_ |
| 16:48.51 | Thunder_Child | Or a wall. Walls work as well. |
| 16:54.35 | Fisker | Walls never work |
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| 16:58.55 | Mr_Rabies | jleclanche: dbm plays that if you're in combat while afk flagged |
| 16:59.04 | Mr_Rabies | by default |
| 16:59.07 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: I'm ALWAYS afk flagged |
| 16:59.09 | jleclanche | fuck that addon |
| 16:59.22 | Fisker | Who uses dbm though? |
| 16:59.23 | Mr_Rabies | turn off the feature :p |
| 16:59.29 | jleclanche | turn off the fucking addon |
| 16:59.31 | jleclanche | urgh |
| 16:59.37 | jleclanche | Fisker: I needed it for skyreach CM |
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| 17:07.44 | karl_w_w | pro-tips: you can run around the north-west section of nagrand and loot highmaul reliquaries for easy steamwheedle rep |
| 17:08.02 | karl_w_w | not sure how effective that will be once highmaul opens |
| 17:25.33 | Amarande | well, highmaul will be an instance, so I doubt it'll change the outdoor area |
| 17:25.54 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/qhwFmc7 |
| 17:25.54 | Amarande | although I suppose you'll have about 2000 people all over the place competing with you |
| 17:26.50 | Amarande | hm, I forget now, also, do they still when installing raids change the monsters in the area near the portal to elites? |
| 17:27.15 | Amarande | like was the case in e.g. Blade's Edge with Gruul's lair, or old ZG, or such |
| 17:30.39 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/fs.jpg << I wonder if that's too weird. |
| 17:32.19 | Ressy | Thats awesome |
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| 17:32.42 | foxlit | the font size swings a bit, though |
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| 17:41.44 | Neffi | happy turkey day, people |
| 17:41.50 | Amarande | Happy Thanksgiving |
| 17:42.08 | Amarande | karl: on the other hand, Highmaul will probably open to little fanfare except for the super hardcore world first competitor guilds |
| 17:43.01 | Amarande | I imagine most people are still going to be too busy playing around with the garrisons to go, if they even notice more than just "oh, huh, the raid's open. nice dude. aright now which follower will I send here ..." |
| 17:44.07 | Amarande | And for that matter I've never really quite understood why people put such gravitas on being the world's first to finish MMO content :) |
| 17:44.59 | Amarande | Congrats! You just finished the test early. Now you can sit there quietly with your head on your desk until the other students finish ... er ... I mean, have nothing to do but repetitive farming for months longer than everyone else! :) |
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| 18:33.42 | znf | foxlit, you still ain't putting in a checkbox... :) |
| 18:34.55 | znf | man, I still can't f* reproduce the issue people are reporting with screwed up XP |
| 18:36.50 | mikma | i think that the alt+click is fine for my use |
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| 18:56.14 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1417114557.png :D made it |
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| 18:58.19 | Semlar | neffi.. http://i.imgur.com/kONXMOK.jpg |
| 18:58.59 | Semlar | what the hell is SHIPMENT_UPDATE and why is it firing nonstop |
| 18:59.13 | mikma | garrrishit? |
| 19:00.14 | Semlar | it's literally firing onupdate which makes this seem like a pointless event |
| 19:00.35 | mikma | i need to check this also when i get into my garr |
| 19:00.36 | VIad | there is a crate accumulating ressources |
| 19:00.41 | VIad | maybe it ticks each time it increases? |
| 19:00.50 | Semlar | that only generates one every 10 minutes or something |
| 19:01.29 | Semlar | there's something about a minimap button in the ui that watches this event |
| 19:02.20 | Semlar | i don't have minimap buttons so i'm not sure if it's doing something |
| 19:03.10 | mikma | it's blinking when there's a mission(s) done |
| 19:03.20 | Semlar | but i have no missions in progress |
| 19:03.36 | Semlar | (or completed) |
| 19:04.23 | mikma | what about orders? |
| 19:04.31 | Semlar | i have work orders |
| 19:04.33 | foxlit | Lieutenant Thorn needs some custom voice work, imo. The GILNEAS/GREYMANE stuff is oddly out of place. |
| 19:04.46 | mikma | semlar: they have timers that are possibly being updated |
| 19:06.50 | Semlar | my sentry turret dispensers aren't being counted toward my damage with my damage meter :( |
| 19:08.19 | Semlar | which is unfortunate because they're hitting for like 10k each |
| 19:08.54 | Sharparam | hm |
| 19:09.03 | Sharparam | is there a way to query for a bodyguard's health? |
| 19:09.50 | Semlar | do they count as a pet? |
| 19:09.53 | mikma | does he have any sort of frame visible that he's present? |
| 19:10.34 | Semlar | i could have sworn i saw an addon that created a health frame for them |
| 19:10.38 | Sharparam | i'm not using default ui, but there's no frame |
| 19:10.42 | Sharparam | (using Pitbull) |
| 19:10.58 | Semlar | do they have a nameplate |
| 19:11.10 | Sharparam | hm, nope |
| 19:11.20 | Sharparam | that seems kinda odd |
| 19:11.42 | Semlar | you might have pets or guardians disabled in the interface |
| 19:11.53 | Semlar | i don't know what they count as |
| 19:12.28 | mikma | let's see |
| 19:12.28 | Sharparam | enabled all nameplates |
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| 19:12.30 | Sharparam | still nothing |
| 19:12.54 | Semlar | i don't have a barracks, do they behave the same way as taking someone on a patrol? |
| 19:13.48 | Sharparam | i suppose |
| 19:13.55 | Sharparam | they follow you around in draenor and attack stuff you attack |
| 19:15.08 | Semlar | i don't appear to have any followers just hanging around my garrison any more |
| 19:15.24 | Semlar | and i have like 15 that aren't on missions |
| 19:15.52 | Sharparam | maybe they don't like you :P |
| 19:16.01 | Semlar | those ungrateful little bastards |
| 19:16.03 | mikma | it's semlar. nobody likes him |
| 19:16.17 | mikma | his navi is eating up 2.44MB of memory |
| 19:16.30 | Semlar | uh you know how much data is in there |
| 19:17.26 | mikma | enough to make the addon perfect |
| 19:17.39 | Semlar | okay well i don't know if you can get a valid unit id for your follower, but if you can figure out how much health he has max at some point you can use the combat log to keep track of how much health he should currently have |
| 19:18.53 | Semlar | they're marked as a minion when you take them on patrol |
| 19:18.57 | mikma | anyone here plays a rogue and likes archaelogy? well i got a tip for you! Subterfuge talent + Survey = stealth doesn't break. you can basicly survey to the last point in stealth. |
| 19:19.23 | foxlit | Held in Offhand + Indestructable. |
| 19:20.09 | foxlit | which is kind of silly since offhand items have no durability to begin with. |
| 19:22.52 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it stopped firing SHIPMENT_UPDATE when i looted all of the workorder crates that were out |
| 19:23.18 | Semlar | so i guess it meant you have something to loot |
| 19:24.38 | mikma | semlar: hmm i have shipments available and that event wont fire |
| 19:25.18 | Sharparam | Semlar: so like, get their guid and hp, and scan combat log |
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| 19:27.00 | Semlar | yeah if you know their max health at some point (maybe when you hire them?) you can store that and add/subtract health from watching every single damage event |
| 19:27.12 | Sharparam | seems simplistic enough |
| 19:27.15 | Sharparam | just needs a nice display |
| 19:27.16 | mikma | well you can get your minions health when you mouseover him/her |
| 19:27.39 | mikma | Bruma Swiftstone, Hichu's Minion, 100 Humanoid, 88k / 88k |
| 19:27.54 | Semlar | i don't know how you hire a bodyguard but if you have to target them and they have the same health as when they're your minion it should be easy |
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| 19:28.01 | Semlar | although their guid might change |
| 19:28.14 | Sharparam | damn |
| 19:28.20 | Semlar | so you might have to use their name |
| 19:28.28 | Semlar | but you can check if they're your pet with flags |
| 19:29.12 | Semlar | i wonder if their health is based on yours |
| 19:29.20 | mikma | [21:28:29] UnitGUID("target") => "Creature-0-3767-1159-2897-82865-00007779D2" |
| 19:29.45 | Semlar | if all your followers have the same amount of health and it's based on your stats you could calculate it |
| 19:30.08 | Sharparam | i'll have to check with my guildies who have more than one bodyguard follower :P |
| 19:30.32 | Semlar | you can possibly go around your garrison and ask them to come on patrol to check if they're the same |
| 19:30.49 | Sharparam | that's true |
| 19:30.50 | Semlar | although i don't know if those also have to be "bodyguard" types |
| 19:31.10 | mikma | you can hire basicly any follower you have available |
| 19:31.20 | mikma | but i don't know about barracks minions |
| 19:31.41 | Sharparam | to be assigned to barracks they need the trai |
| 19:31.43 | Sharparam | trait* |
| 19:32.05 | Semlar | but bodguards act like taking the other followers on patrol? |
| 19:32.18 | Sharparam | as far as i can tell, yes |
| 19:32.39 | Semlar | then you should be able to use those to check if they all have the same health |
| 19:34.31 | Semlar | you'll want to update their health whenever you have a valid unit id in case it's off for some reason |
| 19:34.59 | Semlar | like whenever you mouse over them or a mob targets them or something you should be able to update the health with valid data |
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| 19:35.24 | Semlar | and when you don't have a unit id you can use the combat log |
| 19:35.47 | Semlar | the only thing is i'm not sure if they rapidly heal out of combat without firing combat log events |
| 19:35.55 | Semlar | because i know some npcs do that |
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| 19:36.41 | Sharparam | is regular player passive healing in the log? |
| 19:36.57 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/SnbDpr3 :D |
| 19:40.06 | Amarande | wait, Bruma? mikma, are we playing WoW or TESO here? :) |
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| 19:40.57 | Amarande | foxlit: wouldn't be the first indestructible item that wasn't destructible to begin with. ever played around with a Breath of the Dying bow in D2? :) |
| 19:41.46 | mikma | amarande: WoW, that's one of the garrison followers |
| 19:41.55 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://imgur.com/gallery/DIOA18Q |
| 19:42.24 | Amarande | yeah, the name just sounds really Elder Scrolls :) |
| 19:42.46 | Amarande | probably because Bruma was the place so many people broke faces and controllers over in Oblivion, I'm guessing heh |
| 19:47.44 | Sharparam | so, i might be able to get logic for bodyguard health going, but i don't have much experience making UI elements |
| 19:47.49 | Sharparam | anyone good with that? :P |
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| 19:52.34 | Semlar | well, you're just looking at making a basic status bar that updates its value when their health changes |
| 19:52.55 | Sharparam | i made something similar once |
| 19:57.50 | Amarande | probably the most complex thing you'll need to get used to is using secure frames |
| 19:58.13 | Amarande | since health changes in combat, which means I *believe* you need a secureframe to be able to actually update the frame during battle |
| 19:59.13 | Sharparam | you can't update any kind of frame in combat? |
| 19:59.19 | Sharparam | that isn't secure |
| 20:00.00 | Semlar | you can |
| 20:00.31 | Amarande | well, the API is ... how would I put it ... considerably restricted during combat |
| 20:00.36 | Semlar | you can't even create a secure frame for this |
| 20:00.57 | Semlar | not that it would matter |
| 20:01.16 | Semlar | none of the visible part of the frame would be secure |
| 20:01.42 | Semlar | the only secure parts of a unit frame are for reacting to clicks and stuff |
| 20:02.01 | Amarande | ah, it's only interactive frames ... yeah, I knew secure frames are most relevant in combat, but I was a little murky on that one |
| 20:02.23 | Amarande | yup. remember now. it's why EBB lost so much of its usefulness with 4.0 |
| 20:02.52 | Sharparam | i remember using EBB |
| 20:02.55 | Sharparam | moved to raven after that |
| 20:03.16 | Amarande | yeah, I used it during Wrath ... then 4.0 hit and I found out rather the hard way that functionality had been lost in the 4.0 API changes |
| 20:03.26 | mikma | this is what the news always do: http://imgur.com/gallery/HZe4vKy |
| 20:03.45 | Amarande | like it'd still display bars, but canceling buffs had become a protected function so you could no longer do it through EBB bars |
| 20:04.02 | Sharparam | which sucks |
| 20:04.14 | Amarande | by "the hard way" I mean I found it out because 4.0 hit in the middle of Hallow's End and someone used a wand on me that gave me a rather disabling form and I'm like crap GET IT OFF GET IT OFF and realising I can't right click to do so anymore and WTFing |
| 20:04.15 | Sharparam | now you need this "in combat cancel bar" |
| 20:04.27 | Amarande | and that wasn't even in combat :S |
| 20:04.42 | Sharparam | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.58 | Amarande | yeah, I spent quite some time after that trying to figure out exactly what the buff name /cancelaura wanted was |
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| 20:06.33 | Sharparam | i remember some boss fight being bugged not removing your mount |
| 20:06.41 | Sharparam | frantically scrambling to type out /cancelaura while raid was dying |
| 20:13.26 | Amarande | I'm still foggy on why it was considered important to protect that functionality either |
| 20:14.32 | Amarande | I vaguely remember something being mentioned about people using it to undesirably cheese something with Shadowmourne, but as I was never fortunate enough to acquire one (even though I did main a DK in Wrath ... I only had a 10 man guild though and you had to be on 25 to get Shadowmourne IIRC), I'm not sure what was going on with that |
| 20:16.20 | Sharparam | i don't see how it can be cheesed |
| 20:16.34 | Sharparam | using default ui you can dispel any dispellable buff in combat right? |
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| 20:16.50 | NuSuey | lol .. shai hulud -> shui halad >.< http://i.imgur.com/Mk27UiK.jpg blizz, you silly.. |
| 20:17.18 | Amarande | Sharparam: yeah but you can't do it "programmatically" anymore |
| 20:17.32 | Sharparam | you could dispel from lua code? :O |
| 20:17.32 | Amarande | hence you need a secure frame to do it now (didn't before 4.0.1) and you have to do it manually with a hardware event |
| 20:17.49 | Sharparam | but why not make it require HW event instead of full on protection then |
| 20:17.50 | Amarande | apparently in 3.3.x you could do it from code, and apparently people were automatically dispelling their shadowmourne buff or some such |
| 20:18.00 | Amarande | like I said, I never HAD Shadowmourne so I'm not sure how it produced such a big benefit |
| 20:18.30 | Amarande | (plus, I probably didn't really want Shadowmourne anyway, as it was a 2H DPS weapon and I was Frost, for which 2H *sucked* in Wrath and Cata) |
| 20:18.43 | Sharparam | i've never quite understood some of the very weird API decisions blizz makes |
| 20:18.59 | Amarande | that's, as far as I'm aware, how protected functionality works |
| 20:19.10 | Sharparam | well there's different levels |
| 20:19.13 | Amarande | if you want to use it in an addon, you have to do it through a secure frame, and secure frames require hardware events to actuate |
| 20:19.14 | Sharparam | HW required, and blizz-only |
| 20:19.26 | Sharparam | and then the whole secure frame thing |
| 20:19.47 | Amarande | and I'm pretty sure "secure frame needing a hardware event must be used" is the category canceling buffs falls into now |
| 20:20.04 | Amarande | I never did find a good buff bar addon to replace EBB though so eventually I just stuck with using the Blizz buff icons |
| 20:20.14 | Sharparam | did you try raven |
| 20:20.22 | Amarande | ah, nope. this is the first I've heard of it :) |
| 20:20.28 | Sharparam | i'm happy with it |
| 20:20.42 | Sharparam | even though i now usually just use WA for the important stuff and rarely look at my buffs |
| 20:21.10 | Amarande | as a rule, when I make a return to WoW, I set up my UI, and apart from keeping the existing addons updated via curse client, I leave it as is |
| 20:21.29 | Amarande | don't usually make any really big changes to my UI unless I'm forced to, usually by a patch that breaks a bunch of stuff I'm using and no update is forthcoming to fix it |
| 20:21.55 | Amarande | so if the substitute addon doesn't arrive on the scene soon enough I usually end up just forsaking |
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| 21:13.48 | zenzelezz | "I was in favour of space exploration until I realised what it'd mean for date time libraries" |
| 21:14.46 | Alram | zenzelezz, mother of god. |
| 21:15.12 | kd3 | shakycam footage of the new star wars trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VWVZy31w3A |
| 21:16.24 | Alram | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1yoRL77kQs also good |
| 21:16.52 | Amarande | zenzelezz: even that's a little shortsighted |
| 21:17.22 | Amarande | date/time libraries shouldn't be an issue at all, because there's going to be so much latency before long between distant installations that time of day really isn't much of a thing |
| 21:17.38 | Amarande | (and presumably interstellar colonies would just use UTC throughout, time zones are an Earth construct) |
| 21:18.57 | Amarande | hell even just a Mars colony would be too far away for most Internet communications with Earth to be practical anyway |
| 21:19.45 | Amarande | let's see. back of the napkin. Mars is 141 million miles away from the Sun, Earth is 93 million miles away, it takes 8 minutes for light from the Sun to get to Earth so a light minute's about 11.6 million miles |
| 21:21.01 | Amarande | Earth and Mars can be anywhere from 48 to 234 million miles apart, so anywhere from about 4 to 20 minutes one way latency. it's safe to assume that the internet isn't usable from Earth to Mars, probably need to get UUCP going again just to get email between the two :S |
| 21:23.15 | Amarande | TL;DR: Pray you don't end up in a cross-realm dungeon group with someone from "Hellfire Peninsula (Mars)." :) |
| 21:23.58 | zenzelezz | Amarande seems to misunderstand the concept of easy jokes |
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| 21:28.53 | foxlit | so the garrison api has a curious concept of assigning followers to missions. |
| 21:29.15 | foxlit | in theory, they're actually assigned to a specific mission ID, so it *could* keep multiple parties if it wanted to. |
| 21:30.36 | xyphoid_ | zenzelezz: i see some things don't change |
| 21:31.05 | foxlit | it just doesn't want to. |
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| 21:35.56 | Gnarfoz | CompactMissions does |
| 21:40.43 | foxlit | nothing stops you from keeping your own parties outside of the API. |
| 21:49.36 | Gnarfoz | that's not what I said, but I also didn't look at its code. |
| 22:10.35 | mikma | foxlit: dont get banned now |
| 22:27.49 | Sharparam | foxlit: multiple parties? |
| 22:27.56 | VIad | foxlit: ? |
| 22:29.31 | VIad | this is relevant to my interests |
| 22:35.17 | znf | Where the f* do I get bonus XP? http://i.imgur.com/XPyvcXI.png |
| 22:35.47 | fewyn | the orc bonus? |
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| 22:38.31 | Ivnedar | isn't the second party buff an increased reward? |
| 22:45.20 | foxlit | znf: it's from exceeding the item level requirement. |
| 22:46.12 | Ivnedar | even though one of the threats isn't countered? |
| 22:46.28 | znf | Oh. I see. |
| 22:47.28 | foxlit | Ivnedar: a sufficient number of party buffs cancels out an uncountered threat. |
| 22:47.48 | Ivnedar | *nod* |
| 22:48.01 | Ivnedar | so it's effectively a 110% chance with overflow going to bonus base xp? |
| 22:50.40 | foxlit | sounds reasonable to me |
| 22:55.34 | Torhal | foxlit: That was surreal; I completed three missions via clicking on their summary line. All three had Dark Ranger Velonara in the third follower slot. :D |
| 22:58.02 | kd3 | bleh, most of my followers are 100 (except the 94 scavenger I'm leveling), but I've had crap luck on follower armor/weapon upgrades, and my missions are all 3-player ilvl615 missions or 90-94 junk ones |
| 22:59.38 | nevcairiel | i got 24 100s and one from the inn i'm leveling, most at 615, some on their way to 630, but i maybe get 4 or 5 lvl 100 missions a day and most of the dudes are just idling all day |
| 22:59.52 | nevcairiel | i would rather have more missions :P |
| 22:59.54 | VIad | if I don't touch a mission |
| 23:00.04 | VIad | will it disappear? |
| 23:00.06 | VIad | :( |
| 23:00.07 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 23:00.08 | kd3 | eventually |
| 23:00.10 | VIad | need more ilvl before I do it |
| 23:00.13 | VIad | it's 8h one |
| 23:00.32 | VIad | 645ilvl |
| 23:00.37 | VIad | I only got two followers that fit :( |
| 23:00.40 | nevcairiel | thats the reason its not advicable to boost one follower as soon as you can, but actually save some boosters until you can push a small team |
| 23:00.41 | VIad | need one more at higher ilvl |
| 23:01.12 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/P8BdLe4.png |
| 23:01.13 | znf | :-| |
| 23:01.27 | znf | VIad, 24 hours is the guess now |
| 23:01.33 | VIad | ok |
| 23:01.35 | VIad | so I can do it tomorrow |
| 23:01.38 | nevcairiel | definitely longer for rare missions in any case |
| 23:01.40 | VIad | I just got it |
| 23:02.13 | nevcairiel | znf: i got a 100% 390 resource mission running just now, buts its only 615, not getting 630 missions yet which i could barely do :p |
| 23:02.17 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1417129321.png |
| 23:02.40 | znf | nevcairiel, actually I think 24 hours is the timeout for rare missions |
| 23:02.48 | znf | normal ones I think are longer |
| 23:02.59 | nevcairiel | znf: at the very least the one that gives legendary token thingys was much longer in my log |
| 23:03.05 | znf | that one yes |
| 23:03.08 | znf | I think that one is a weekly |
| 23:03.11 | znf | and it stays there forever |
| 23:03.36 | nevcairiel | anyway, all missions available to me are underway, i can go sleep now |
| 23:03.37 | znf | I seem to get it every week (well, for as long as we have done it now) |
| 23:03.53 | nevcairiel | i just spammed all the ~95 leveling missions with 100s now for salvage |
| 23:04.19 | nevcairiel | i had it twice, not yet this week, but this week is fresh |
| 23:05.21 | VIad | how rare are these good item reward rare quests? |
| 23:05.23 | VIad | like 1%? |
| 23:05.31 | znf | dunno |
| 23:05.33 | znf | I get plenty of them |
| 23:05.42 | nevcairiel | yeah i get item ones quite often as well |
| 23:05.59 | nevcairiel | still 630 rewards for me since i've been collecting until i can get a good core team to 630 ilvl |
| 23:06.10 | nevcairiel | but usually one per day at least, sometimes two |
| 23:06.15 | znf | yeah, that's good to do |
| 23:06.21 | znf | I'm really sorry I rushed in the beggining |
| 23:06.40 | znf | now I keep getting stuff I can't do and it expires :-( |
| 23:06.57 | nevcairiel | i'll probably build the bunker tomorrow, even though i hear it sucks at producing upgrades, but i got the reasources to spare at the moment and will take every bit |
| 23:07.12 | nevcairiel | -a |
| 23:08.03 | nevcairiel | (bunker == war mill for the weirdos) |
| 23:10.05 | xyphoid_ | i like hte bunker so far |
| 23:10.25 | nevcairiel | i hear it usually only produces like one follower upgrade per day |
| 23:10.28 | nevcairiel | thats a kinda meh rate |
| 23:10.37 | xyphoid_ | i feel like i've had more than that |
| 23:10.42 | xyphoid_ | should have been tracking i guess |
| 23:11.36 | xyphoid_ | plus once you are fine with garrison resources, your bottleneck is now upgrade items - so anything helps |
| 23:11.43 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 23:12.17 | nevcairiel | i'm only missing the inn3 due to lack of achievement, and my second large building which is stables right now, so for building upgrades i dont need that many GR anymore |
| 23:12.29 | xyphoid_ | i just replaced my trading post with an inn and i'm going to replace stables with barracks when i'm done with the mounts |
| 23:12.44 | nevcairiel | i should be done with the mounts tomorrow if i judged the quest flow right |
| 23:13.15 | xyphoid_ | those mount quests feel really weird |
| 23:13.20 | xyphoid_ | like they were intended to be one at a time |
| 23:13.29 | nevcairiel | yeah but are not |
| 23:13.34 | nevcairiel | i wondered if that was a bug |
| 23:14.07 | xyphoid_ | seems like longterm you must have salvage + 25 followers + new followers from inn + bunker for follower upgrades |
| 23:14.10 | foxlit | total number of randomly epic followers on main: 1. on level 96 alt: 5. |
| 23:14.12 | xyphoid_ | everything else just gets you to that point |
| 23:14.52 | nevcairiel | at some point your roster is so nice that you dont need the inn recruits anymore, and then eventually yours are also decked on equip |
| 23:15.08 | nevcairiel | from active counters, my follower lineup is already pretty good |
| 23:15.27 | nevcairiel | in my 24, i have every counter nearly 4 times now, with many guys still needing to hit epic or even rare |
| 23:15.31 | nevcairiel | er, 25 |
| 23:16.01 | xyphoid_ | it was nice swapping skinning for epic mount with my first reroll token |
| 23:16.13 | nevcairiel | i didnt dare to use those yet |
| 23:16.29 | xyphoid_ | you can't reroll bodyguard away can you |
| 23:16.39 | nevcairiel | dev on twitter said no |
| 23:16.40 | Simca_ | no |
| 23:17.01 | nevcairiel | i might try on a epic at some point if he turns out crap |
| 23:17.03 | xyphoid_ | i have a bunch of bodyguards deactivated because no barracks yet and that makes them worse than my other stuff |
| 23:17.12 | nevcairiel | doing it on a uncommon seems like a waste |
| 23:17.24 | xyphoid_ | yeah i can't see you ever rerolling a non-epic |
| 23:17.29 | xyphoid_ | i have gained 3 rerolls total so far |
| 23:17.40 | nevcairiel | i have 2 in the bank |
| 23:18.04 | Simca_ | the thing that i don't see anyone making a big point about is race of follower |
| 23:18.23 | Simca_ | racial traits are worth double normal traits - 2/3 of a countered mechanic. they're clearly important. |
| 23:18.38 | Simca_ | if you're horde and using a human follower, that guy will never contribute like an orc could |
| 23:18.51 | xyphoid_ | well ideally all your followers would be the same race with race support traits instead of location ones |
| 23:18.54 | nevcairiel | but its something you can't really be that extremely picky about |
| 23:19.03 | Simca_ | you can. recruits are only horde races. |
| 23:19.10 | nevcairiel | i like followers with a "like draenei" trait, as many followers are dranei |
| 23:19.12 | nevcairiel | for alliance |
| 23:19.12 | Simca_ | in time you can weed out the non-horde |
| 23:19.22 | nevcairiel | well sure, but thats a very long term goal |
| 23:19.30 | xyphoid_ | so in a year or two you can optimise that |
| 23:19.56 | Simca_ | yeah i have a pleasure bot, ogron, ogre, arakkoa, draenei, and human as horde. |
| 23:20.20 | nevcairiel | tormmok is the ogron i assume? i was never quite sure what he was exactly |
| 23:20.35 | Simca_ | nah he's an ogre; Blook is the ogron |
| 23:20.47 | Simca_ | I shouldn't have included him since he's actually pretty damn good. |
| 23:20.55 | Amarande | foxlit: everyone knows that mains are inherently disfavoured by the RNG |
| 23:20.59 | nevcairiel | dont have blook, he was from the other quest line |
| 23:21.01 | Amarande | it's just like the principle of raid substitutions |
| 23:21.08 | Simca_ | nah Blook isn't related to the quest line |
| 23:21.22 | Simca_ | he's out in the wild in Gorgrond - find him, beat him up, let him join you |
| 23:21.27 | Amarande | your main raider of (class) has been trying for months to get a given upgrade. it never drops. |
| 23:21.49 | nevcairiel | somehow that rings a bell, didnt i do him? |
| 23:21.56 | Amarande | for one week he can't show up, so you have a substitute (class). said upgrade drops with near 100% certainty, 110% if they already have it. :) |
| 23:21.56 | nevcairiel | did i forget to put him in my followers excel sheet? |
| 23:22.27 | Simca_ | he has the trait "Combat Experience" which is literally just "Grants a bonus to mission success chance" - it's a trait that is always active and it is worth the same as any standard trait. |
| 23:22.32 | Amarande | the question is, coincidence, or is the RNG actually malevolent to some degree? :) LOL |
| 23:22.37 | Simca_ | so that's pretty OP |
| 23:22.50 | nevcairiel | guess i must've forgotten since i turned him off immediately due to sheer follower overload |
| 23:23.03 | Amarande | yeah, there certainly are a lot of followers |
| 23:23.04 | nevcairiel | maybe i should level him |
| 23:23.18 | Amarande | wowhead is saying there are 291 eligible followers for each faction ... that's like, almost three complete sets of Stars of Destiny |
| 23:23.22 | Amarande | and Suikoden was tedious enough in that regard :D |
| 23:23.52 | Simca_ | Amarande: there are like 35 eligible followers for each faction, but you can recruit 'random' ones from the inn. |
| 23:23.55 | nevcairiel | hm, timed battle abilitiy |
| 23:24.08 | Simca_ | the other 256 or whatever are the random followers |
| 23:24.46 | Amarande | ah, green followers are random then |
| 23:24.54 | znf | no |
| 23:25.03 | Amarande | I still don't have the xpack, what I've gleaned so far is from here and the web |
| 23:25.17 | Simca_ | there's not really any way to tell which are the random ones on database sites |
| 23:25.45 | znf | most lvl90 are :P |
| 23:25.50 | Simca_ | very true |
| 23:26.02 | xyphoid_ | last night we found you can despawn croman |
| 23:26.05 | Simca_ | only like 2 of the level 90s are non-random |
| 23:26.09 | znf | there's not many who are 90 and come from some quests |
| 23:26.17 | xyphoid_ | if the person escorting him walks away from the forge bit |
| 23:26.21 | xyphoid_ | whoops |
| 23:26.22 | nevcairiel | there, blook activated, even if i have 26 active ones now, someone remind me to turn off kaalya tomorrow morning when she returns from mission |
| 23:26.53 | znf | I have http://www.wowhead.com/follower=333.2/faala and http://www.wowhead.com/follower=345.2/arienne-black "random" followers |
| 23:27.20 | znf | yeah, ok wowhead http://www.wowhead.com/follower=345.2/arienne-black |
| 23:27.22 | znf | erm |
| 23:27.24 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/tfCSufP.png |
| 23:27.29 | nevcairiel | I have 3, Hester Blackember, Randee Wallyce and Kirandros Galeheart |
| 23:27.31 | nevcairiel | cba to link |
| 23:27.53 | nevcairiel | you have a human? :p |
| 23:28.00 | znf | looks undead to me :D |
| 23:28.42 | Dagmar | I'd rather have a Discipline Mistress in my garrison |
| 23:29.10 | Dagmar | ...just as she's human or belf |
| 23:29.26 | Amarande | xyphoid_: this is why everyone hates escort quests :) |
| 23:29.45 | Amarande | I'm guessing this one is designed in a fashion that doesn't allow for the Cataclysm solution, then :( |
| 23:30.01 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: It's a shame Blook doesn't have the Bodyguard attribute |
| 23:30.14 | Amarande | I loved how Cata handled escort quests ... it made you go from hating them to actually trying to be on one whenever humanly possible |
| 23:30.21 | nevcairiel | i use Leo anyway, mobile mission control ftw |
| 23:30.30 | nevcairiel | also, mobile mission control sounds cool |
| 23:30.37 | fewyn | god i hate tanaan jungle |
| 23:30.37 | znf | I didn't get to do it before they nerfed the critter :D |
| 23:30.39 | fewyn | with a passion |
| 23:30.47 | Dagmar | There's a follower that can function as a mission table? Nifty! |
| 23:30.51 | nevcairiel | znf: endless spawning demons in talador work fine |
| 23:31.02 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: yeah, Leorajh or how you spell him |
| 23:31.16 | xyphoid_ | i'm hoping there are still exploity places to level followers when i get my barracks |
| 23:31.20 | nevcairiel | level him to level 3 bodyguard and he is your mission table |
| 23:31.34 | fewyn | leveling followers in places? |
| 23:31.35 | fewyn | wat |
| 23:31.44 | xyphoid_ | sorry, level bodyguards |
| 23:31.51 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Best non-sploity place I've found is literally right outside Lunarfall. All them little flower guys |
| 23:32.01 | nevcairiel | not enough of those |
| 23:32.01 | znf | unfortunately they don't get actual XP :P |
| 23:32.11 | znf | they just get scaled to your level :( |
| 23:32.16 | znf | or are they 100 all the time? |
| 23:32.21 | Dagmar | Since when do your bodyguards gain XP? |
| 23:32.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: by now probably if you find a good place it's "not an exploit" no matter how good it is |
| 23:32.28 | znf | they don't |
| 23:32.29 | znf | only rep :P |
| 23:32.30 | nevcairiel | in any case, the endless demons in talador dont seem like an exploit, the spawn that fast even if you dont kill them, as the npcs battle them otherwise |
| 23:32.46 | Amarande | the undesirable leveling exploits in an xpack presumably get hotfixed within a week or so |
| 23:32.51 | Dagmar | I can spent ten minutes slaughtering the crap out of all those little flower guys and get 2000 rep |
| 23:33.01 | Dagmar | Barrage, spin, rinse, repeat |
| 23:33.22 | Amarande | given that it seems that every xpack goes the same way, someone levels like a meteor the first night and then we find out they got banned because they used an exploit, which I presume would also have been promptly fixed |
| 23:33.34 | Dagmar | Even the three cake mobs out of the four-spawns count for ep |
| 23:33.36 | Dagmar | er rep |
| 23:34.07 | Amarande | mind you, sometimes it's also hard to tell what's sploity and what's not :( |
| 23:34.09 | znf | there were better spawn points before they nerfed :D |
| 23:34.24 | znf | in the spider place in talador, it took like ~10 minutes to rep a bodyguard from 0 to max level :D |
| 23:34.44 | Amarande | since Blizz has a tendency to allow some things that feel like they're so cheap that you'd think they'd *have to* be exploits, while they disallow things that seem fairly minor sins by comparison |
| 23:34.48 | nevcairiel | that was clearly an exploit, those are critters :p |
| 23:35.03 | Dagmar | This is why I'm not worrying about the little flower guys. |
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| 23:35.08 | Dagmar | At 90, they can murder you |
| 23:35.13 | znf | they also nerfed the carnivorous squireels :( |
| 23:35.17 | Amarande | the biggest ongoing one I've seen being the ability to circumvent the PvPness of your server, which has been the case ever since cross realm parties were implemented |
| 23:35.21 | znf | next to lunarfall |
| 23:35.23 | Dagmar | znf: Thank goodness |
| 23:35.25 | Amarande | but yeah, critters are not made to be leveled off of LOL |
| 23:35.28 | znf | Dagmar, why? :D |
| 23:35.39 | Dagmar | Because they up and ATE me the first time I saw them |
| 23:35.49 | znf | heh |
| 23:36.02 | znf | that cave took like ~30 minutes for a bodyguard |
| 23:36.05 | Dagmar | Im not a huge fan of anything where someone's going to be set upon by 20 mobs at once unless AoE is a guarntee |
| 23:36.19 | znf | it annoys me that you can't rep them in a party :( |
| 23:36.37 | Dagmar | They would trivialize apexis groups is probably why |
| 23:36.49 | nevcairiel | you can use them in a party just fine |
| 23:36.52 | nevcairiel | just not in instances |
| 23:37.13 | nevcairiel | they just dont gain rep in a party |
| 23:37.21 | znf | nevcairiel, no, I mean, you don't gain rep unless you got the killing blow |
| 23:37.23 | znf | which is crap |
| 23:37.33 | znf | solo-killing stuff takes ages to get them to max level |
| 23:37.38 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 23:37.59 | Ivnedar | the followers? I worked on the demons spawning from portals |
| 23:38.06 | Dagmar | There's also places in Nagrand with a jillion talbuk around |
| 23:38.11 | Ivnedar | they converge from 3 portals at one point, sat there and aoe'd :) |
| 23:38.25 | nevcairiel | i killed actual mobs, not trivial mobs like the flowers or the wasps in shadowmoon, but the demons in talador, took maybe an hour and it was normal mobs at around 94 or so |
| 23:38.52 | Amarande | The PvPness thing being ... Ganking got you down on your PvP server? Just get a friend on a PvE server to invite you to party and *poof* you're on PvE server land now (you'll probably still be flagged, but a lot of players will be afraid to attack you) |
| 23:38.53 | Dagmar | The flowers aren't exactly trivial, but they are _stupidly_ easy at 100 |
| 23:38.54 | nevcairiel | but moonkin is OP :d |
| 23:39.10 | Simca_ | i didn't know you could get Abrogator Stones from work orders! |
| 23:39.14 | znf | *sigh* now people are saying that my addon blocks their XP gain |
| 23:39.17 | Amarande | As far as I'm aware, it's legitimate (they probably would have forbidden PvE and PvP server players to be partied if it wasn't), but damn, does it ever feel cheap |
| 23:39.20 | znf | I think I'll just close Curse comments |
| 23:39.21 | znf | fuck this |
| 23:39.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: We're not afraid. We're just waiting to see if they're actually trying to cause trouble |
| 23:39.35 | nevcairiel | Simca_: guildy had that happen, no such luck for me yet |
| 23:39.40 | Dagmar | We know people get flagged by accident all the time |
| 23:39.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: I tend to assume they've probably got a high level (maybe a rogue, if I can't see any obvious candidates) friend nearby |
| 23:40.01 | Dagmar | Touch one of my guards tho and I will bring the pain down tho |
| 23:40.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's great. Rogues are delicious |
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| 23:40.43 | Simca_ | i accidentally flagged on an alliance town in talador when leveling and there was this paladin who followed me on his mount for the entire 5 minutes |
| 23:40.53 | Simca_ | it was the silliest chase ever |
| 23:41.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: not if they're 90 and you're about the level of the character you were fighting with |
| 23:41.03 | Amarande | then you're paste :) |
| 23:41.14 | Dagmar | heh |
| 23:41.24 | cogu | I have an addon causing some taint with using a quest item via the quest tracker, but how can I find out exactly which execution part is causing the taint? ie, file and line |
| 23:41.24 | Dagmar | Simca: I followed a shaman about that long earlier this week |
| 23:41.31 | Constie | That reminds me of classic guild name <And Two Stealthed Rogues>. |
| 23:41.57 | Dagmar | He'd just made the mistake of running _through_ an alliance village |
| 23:42.10 | Dagmar | Sometimes you can't see that the NPCs are even there until you're on top of them |
| 23:42.11 | Simca_ | cogu: short answer: you can't. long answer: disable your addons one by one. |
| 23:42.33 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@50.153.108.127) |
| 23:42.40 | Dagmar | Binary search may be easier. Disable half first, test, then the other half |
| 23:42.51 | cogu | Simca_: so you're saying taht even though wow says it's addon xxx it might not be that one? |
| 23:42.58 | Simca_ | yeah that's what i usually do, Dagmar |
| 23:43.03 | Amarande | cogu: yeah, do binary search |
| 23:43.03 | Simca_ | cogu: it's almost never that addon |
| 23:43.12 | Dagmar | Simca_++ |
| 23:43.14 | Amarande | especially since 1) the addon blamed is almost never the right one |
| 23:43.24 | Amarande | and 2) the addon that's really guilty is often surprisingly surprising |
| 23:43.35 | Amarande | like the infamous MonkeyQuest glitch at 4.0 |
| 23:43.59 | Amarande | which took me like for freaking EVER to track down and fix by a change to QuestGuru |
| 23:44.00 | cogu | but even if I find the faulty addon, I still need to know what i'm looking for in terms of the error |
| 23:44.28 | Amarande | (I generally have used one or the other, at least since FuBar and nQuestLog basically died out) |
| 23:44.37 | Simca_ | there are several tools online that will look at leaked or modified globals in lua code |
| 23:44.43 | Simca_ | foxlit has a page on his site for it |
| 23:44.46 | Amarande | cogu: might be easier just to find another addon that does the same thing, usually you have choics |
| 23:44.48 | Amarande | *choices |
| 23:45.13 | Amarande | and I never did figure out exactly what in 4.0 *caused* MonkeyQuest to flip out like that |
| 23:46.17 | Amarande | basically, 3.3.5 I was doing just fine, then 4.0 for some reason my framerate dropped into like, single digits on the character I was leveling ... started a new character and it was OK. After a few quests ... single digits framerates again |
| 23:46.37 | Amarande | Turned out to be any time I had a quest on the tracker where there was an associated item button on the tracker, down went the framerate |
| 23:46.51 | Simca_ | framerate issues usually have lua errors |
| 23:46.54 | Amarande | QuestGuru didn't screw up like that though. Like I said, never did figure out what was at fault |
| 23:47.02 | Dagmar | There's still some funky in the tracker |
| 23:47.41 | Dagmar | I've been getting errors about a third of the tim clicking the summoning whistle for stable mount training quests |
| 23:47.43 | Simca_ | it's probably something really dumb, like an addon that closes the quest tracker's header or something at one point and it taints everything |
| 23:48.01 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@50.153.108.127) |
| 23:50.29 | Dagmar | SWEET. That 10,000 bonus XP mission I had at ~80% actually succeeded and made a 98 and 99 both 100 |
| 23:51.38 | cogu | darn, in my case the addon that's faulty is actually the one reported by blizz -.- |
| 23:51.46 | cogu | I tried disabling everything else and they were fine |
| 23:52.03 | Simca_ | what addon by chance |
| 23:52.10 | cogu | oUF unit frames |
| 23:52.11 | znf | Simca_, write me a snippet |
| 23:52.26 | cogu | can't even see why it would have anything to do with the quest tracker |
| 23:52.42 | cogu | except for maybe the part that allows you to move stuff about... |
| 23:52.57 | cogu | but then why would it affect it when you're using an item if you're not inside the config part? |
| 23:53.20 | cogu | and it's got an older version of oUF imbedded which if I tried updating and it broke the unit frames |
| 23:53.22 | Simca_ | once tainted, it is forever tainted until you logout or reload |
| 23:53.44 | Simca_ | if it moves the tracker, that might be enough to taint it depending on how it is moved |
| 23:54.29 | cogu | actually doesn't even appear to move the tracker.. |
| 23:54.40 | cogu | I don't have any more quests with quest items to try either :S |
| 23:55.12 | Simca_ | here you go znf |
| 23:55.15 | Simca_ | http://www.curseforge.com/paste/a2zv5foxt91d4n6q/ |
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| 23:58.17 | znf | Simca_, erm, |
| 23:58.32 | znf | Simca_, to figure out when a mission expires :D |
| 23:58.47 | Simca_ | well you didn't specify! |
| 23:59.24 | Simca_ | in plus i have a feeling that addon would be very popular |
