| 00:05.42 | Kesava | aand gone. |
| 00:06.05 | Kesava | woo 40GBs of space freed |
| 00:09.14 | foxlit | someone should write me a better version of this: function add(x,y) local t = {} for i=1,#x do t[i] = string.char((x:byte(i) + y:byte(i)) % 256) end return table.concat(t, "") end |
| 00:09.29 | fewyn | yes i want to uninstall the beta |
| 00:09.35 | fewyn | yay free space |
| 00:10.36 | tz | hmmm I should do the same |
| 00:13.45 | kd3 | holy crap that was a lot of tweets |
| 00:14.32 | Industrial | Hi |
| 00:14.41 | Industrial | Does Subterfuge mean I can Ambush twice? |
| 00:15.19 | Industrial | At level 44, does my energyregen fast enough for a second one? cause two crits might be worth it over Nightstalker dunno |
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| 00:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | can't ambush twice unless your first ambush kills the first mob |
| 00:16.39 | Mr_Rabies | because they face you and then poke you immediately |
| 00:16.49 | Mr_Rabies | at least while soloing, in a group then yeah, you can |
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| 00:23.30 | Hazal | I didn't see the facing requirement on Ambush http://www.wowhead.com/spell=8676 I even leveled my rogue recently and I could facestab mobs. |
| 00:24.40 | Hazal | So assuming you play with Subterfuge http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108208 you can ambush twice |
| 00:25.13 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies: no for pvp |
| 00:25.16 | Industrial | :) |
| 00:29.13 | kd3 | wtf? a Cadillac Scaffolade? https://i.imgur.com/e1Vr0jj.jpg |
| 00:32.09 | phelps | I'm trying to track auras on targets, if the unit just teleports away, the event for the aura falling off never happens, is there another event that fires for that ? |
| 00:32.21 | phelps | the combat_log_event |
| 00:34.47 | Semlar | you know the duration of the aura so you know when it would end even if an event doesn't fire |
| 00:34.54 | Shirik | has successfully replaced the turn signal in his car! |
| 00:35.06 | Shirik | I did not believe I could actually do it |
| 00:35.18 | kd3 | grats! how much of the car did you have to take apart to just get to it? |
| 00:35.22 | phelps | Semlar, I can know the duration ? |
| 00:35.32 | Shirik | it was actually pretty easy |
| 00:35.45 | Shirik | just two bolts |
| 00:35.51 | Shirik | everything else was just twist off |
| 00:36.03 | Semlar | assuming you have a unit id for the unit, you can get the duration |
| 00:36.25 | phelps | im just doing everything via GUID then resolving the guid to check |
| 00:36.25 | Semlar | and if not you can cache the expected duration |
| 00:37.06 | phelps | store it for everything, if you ask for 'target' or 'party1' it uses the guid to get the auras |
| 00:37.37 | Semlar | are you ONLY watching the combat log for aura applications? |
| 00:37.56 | phelps | yeah |
| 00:38.06 | Semlar | you need to use UnitAura |
| 00:39.05 | phelps | im doing it to track stuff like average/total/crits |
| 00:39.11 | Semlar | if you're only watching the combat log to track auras, you'll have to have a timeout if the unit just vanishes |
| 00:39.12 | phelps | for dots/hots |
| 00:39.13 | fewyn | ugh i do not want to have to get up at 4am to go to the airport |
| 00:39.35 | kd3 | so freaking glad I scheduled post-1 pm flights both ways this time |
| 00:39.48 | Semlar | if you're only tracking the average damage does it matter when it falls off |
| 00:39.57 | fewyn | from now on i'm getting refundable/reschedulable tickets |
| 00:41.12 | phelps | Semlar, yeah, just wanted to use it to keep track of how many units it was on, and it works 99% of the time |
| 00:41.28 | phelps | just when they vanish it leaves it up as if the aura is still there |
| 00:42.01 | Semlar | either track the time between ticks and if it's been more than a certain amount of time since the last tick assume it fell off, or just add a timeout |
| 00:42.40 | Semlar | in case you never see an event for it |
| 00:47.56 | Semlar | because you might zone or the mob might get raptured and then you're left with debuffs hanging around |
| 00:49.31 | Semlar | the real simple way to do this would be assume if it's been like 5 seconds since the last dot tick that it's gone, i don't know what the longest time between ticks is for a player-cast spell |
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| 00:52.08 | Industrial | So I queue up with my 44 rogue for 2v2 arena (yay) |
| 00:52.21 | Industrial | i get into more 1v2's then 2v2's.. |
| 00:52.27 | Industrial | wtfidontevenwhatisthis |
| 00:52.58 | Industrial | I dont like to queue up for knowing I'll lose beforehand.. to try again to get a real 2v2.. |
| 00:53.23 | Semlar | why don't you just beat both of them |
| 00:54.08 | Industrial | Because I can't beat a same level BoA'd player within the time of one sap + blind + kidney |
| 00:54.18 | Industrial | on the other player ;P |
| 00:55.25 | Thunder_Child | These are people that dodge? |
| 00:55.34 | Thunder_Child | Like draft doge. |
| 00:56.12 | kullervo | Semlar: dots might tick really slow with extreme amounts of negative haste |
| 00:56.24 | phelps | Semlar, haha, so, since the unit doesn't exist, theres no way you can query for it, haha |
| 00:57.25 | Semlar | apply negative haste to your timeout |
| 00:57.36 | Semlar | is that really possible |
| 00:59.30 | Semlar | if your cast time gets slowed it increases the time between ticks? |
| 01:01.10 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/BlizzCon/status/529437966129561600 i have no idea what this is |
| 01:01.24 | Semlar | yoshi |
| 01:01.38 | kd3 | maybe it lights up? |
| 01:01.40 | fewyn | but what's a solar bobble buddy? |
| 01:01.51 | Semlar | car thing? |
| 01:01.58 | fewyn | like i know the actual words but when you put it all together i'm like |
| 01:02.00 | fewyn | what does it mean |
| 01:02.45 | Semlar | apparently it bobbles mechnically |
| 01:02.56 | Semlar | i guess it runs like a solar calculator |
| 01:03.01 | fewyn | ah |
| 01:03.01 | fewyn | ok |
| 01:03.06 | fewyn | i think i get it then |
| 01:03.12 | Semlar | http://www.amazon.com/Pikachu-Sunshine-Bobble-Head-Japanese-Imported/dp/B000PH30ZU aaand that's $60 |
| 01:03.30 | fewyn | that's imported from japan |
| 01:03.33 | fewyn | and is a pokemon toy |
| 01:03.36 | fewyn | of course it's 60 bux |
| 01:05.48 | Semlar | i've never heard of these before either |
| 01:12.43 | karl_w_w | which amazon would calculate my shipping cost for me without having to add things to my cart and go through like 4 steps of checkout |
| 01:12.58 | karl_w_w | for some reason I typed which instead of I wish |
| 01:32.37 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: It will |
| 01:32.55 | karl_w_w | only for domestic shipping |
| 01:33.06 | jleclanche | >> Has the adult film industry developed anything with Oculus? |
| 01:33.08 | jleclanche | > Just lock the door before you enjoy the industry's oculus offerings, to avoid someone untowardly bursting in and finding you unaware and wearing only a cinema strapped to your face |
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| 01:41.56 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/w08xi5Pv << am I just too sleepy, or is this seriously weird? |
| 01:43.17 | Fumlerlol | any predefined way to remove backdrop on 3d portraits? |
| 01:43.43 | Semlar | the models don't have backdrops |
| 01:44.56 | Fumlerlol | Okay, so ouf is adding them for me? |
| 01:45.21 | Semlar | if you mean moving 3d models, then yes |
| 01:45.55 | Semlar | it's adding its own texture behind it |
| 01:47.03 | Fumlerlol | okay, thanks ;) |
| 01:48.35 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: ping |
| 01:57.22 | jleclanche | foxlit: how is it weird? |
| 01:59.58 | foxlit | it claims to be rle, yet the only thing it seems to be able to encode the run lengths of are zeroes. |
| 02:05.09 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: will you buy the ziks 2? |
| 02:05.56 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: possibly |
| 02:10.26 | Dagmar | Well, it's _shitty_ RLE, but it qualifies. |
| 02:12.07 | foxlit | and "repetition" is an inversion of what I would expect it to be. |
| 02:45.15 | Mr_Rabies | msrp for that thing was like $15 or so, semlar, but it's discontinued |
| 02:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT76534/Fig |
| 02:49.12 | Semlar | pika |
| 02:49.59 | Semlar | foxlit: i jury-rigged dbc.rows to structure arbitrary data because most of the files are in a chunked format and it's easier to use the existing unpacker function for it |
| 02:50.26 | foxlit | to what now? |
| 02:51.04 | Semlar | i just modified it to let you specify the number of rows and the size of the header for any data because right now it's restricted to dbc/db2 files |
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| 02:55.47 | foxlit | oh. Well, enjoy! |
| 02:57.37 | Simca | Made a number of adjustments where lower level food items were providing a larger than intended buff. |
| 02:57.59 | Simca | well at least they're addressing the complaints relatively quickly |
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| 03:23.22 | Simca | I don't suppose anyone here knows why the C_PetJournal.SetPetLoadOutInfo function seems to constantly fail |
| 03:24.42 | Semlar | gcd possibly |
| 03:25.39 | Simca | tested all pet battle team addons - they're all suffering from the same flaws. if you swap your team, it usually works once, maybe even twice |
| 03:26.04 | Simca | after that, shittons of lua errors, erratic behavior (such as only the first pet or only the last pet being updated) |
| 03:26.21 | Simca | and just being a general pain |
| 03:27.18 | Semlar | i replaced SetPetLoadOutInfo in my permanent pet function with my own, probably tainting the crap out of everything |
| 03:27.59 | Simca | taint isn't really relevant, the whole journal is riddled with but nothing is protected |
| 03:28.04 | Semlar | i've never had an issue though |
| 03:28.09 | Simca | i'm curious though, how did you replace it |
| 03:28.45 | Semlar | well, the addon is supposed to keep a specific companion pet out all the time |
| 03:28.56 | kd3 | oh finally. "Timeless Isle Tokens and legendary weapons looted during the fight with Kael'thas Sunstrider in Tempest Keep are no longer included in the guild news panel." |
| 03:29.01 | Semlar | and that function summons the first pet in your loadout for some reason |
| 03:29.06 | Semlar | so i had to hook it to prevent that |
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| 03:30.31 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.35 | Semlar | when the function is called, i despawn my active pet which causes a gcd and prevents it from summoning the one in the loadout |
| 03:32.51 | Semlar | then it just summons the old pet again after it finishes |
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| 03:38.29 | Simca | odd, it only seems like the problem occurs with certain pets almost |
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| 03:44.05 | Semlar | foxlit: can you check if a file exists in the casc without actually opening it |
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| 04:00.52 | jleclanche | Semlar: yes but not by filename. |
| 04:01.35 | Stanzilla | Simca: what's better on a Menagerie Custodian, 10 power 11 speed or 12 power 10 speed? |
| 04:02.16 | Simca | 12 power 10 speed |
| 04:02.19 | jleclanche | 12/10 |
| 04:02.23 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 04:02.38 | Simca | new sound emitter system is nice |
| 04:03.01 | Simca | I arrived halfway through the power of the horde song and started to hear it softly as i approached |
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| 04:03.18 | Simca | in the old days, you had to be there at the exact second it started for you to get the command to play it |
| 04:03.42 | Simca | and there was no concept of distance from it |
| 04:04.09 | jleclanche | neat |
| 04:04.37 | jleclanche | Simca: though from your description it sounds like they changed it from a music script to a sound |
| 04:05.05 | Simca | yes |
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| 04:08.38 | Amarande | hmm, you know what 6.0.4/6.1.0 needs? :) |
| 04:08.46 | Amarande | they should introduce the queue lockout system that FFXIV uses |
| 04:14.10 | Jamash | what's that? |
| 04:14.56 | Amarande | Jamash: if you fail to accept your queue, or say no, you get a strike |
| 04:15.09 | Amarande | three strikes in a day and you experience queue lockouts |
| 04:15.16 | Amarande | cuts down on all the people who decline queue or AFK for the pop |
| 04:16.48 | Jamash | ah |
| 04:19.27 | Amarande | also it seems to have stiffer penalties for dropping group |
| 04:19.42 | Amarande | so you don't end up with trouble like oculus where "crap, oculus I'm outta here" |
| 04:19.49 | Amarande | (which especially sucked for people like me who actually LIKED Oculus) |
| 04:31.14 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard takes a different approach generally |
| 04:31.19 | Mr_Rabies | rewarding rather than punishing |
| 04:31.30 | Mr_Rabies | punishing paying customers is a good way to lose them |
| 04:31.41 | Semlar | is it |
| 04:31.54 | Kaylin | I like losing those kinds of people. sadly this is a sub based game |
| 04:32.10 | Mr_Rabies | now, punishing people with malicious behavior makes sense |
| 04:32.15 | Mr_Rabies | but when the queue is an hour |
| 04:32.27 | Mr_Rabies | further punishing someone for missing said queue is a good way to lose them |
| 04:33.29 | Mr_Rabies | someone in the party simply failing to accept a queue is like a minutes' disturbance for players who didn't miss it |
| 04:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | but to the player that missed it, it's as long as requeuing |
| 04:33.45 | Mr_Rabies | that's punishment enough |
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| 04:48.02 | Semlar | actually it was pretty easy to add a "hasFile" function and it is way faster than actually reading the file if all you need to do is check the path |
| 04:48.41 | Semlar | i like that this is all written in lua |
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| 05:45.58 | karl_w_w | I am king of geoguessr! (london version) |
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| 07:59.50 | foxlit | Semlar: actually it was pretty easy to add a "hasFile" function and it is way faster than actually reading the file if all you need to do is check the path << I didn't need that, so there's no API call for it, but yeah, it'd be pretty easy to just stop short of the GetContentByLocation call and essentially only do table lookups. |
| 08:00.49 | Semlar | foxlit: i basically did return self.root[jenkins96.hash_path(path)] from the top part of readFile |
| 08:01.11 | Semlar | is the checkargs thing important |
| 08:01.22 | Semlar | just makes sure the provided arguments are valid? |
| 08:01.31 | foxlit | just whines at you if you call it weirdly. |
| 08:02.21 | Semlar | sometimes i need to check if a path is valid rather than actually load up the file, like existing textures and stuff |
| 08:02.59 | Semlar | but this is pretty easy to modify |
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| 08:13.52 | foxlit | which is always a plus. |
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| 08:14.30 | foxlit | crap, now I need 64-bit integers. |
| 08:14.53 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 08:15.39 | foxlit | nobody will notice if I cap out at 52 bits of precision, right? |
| 08:15.53 | nevcairiel | that depends, what for? |
| 08:17.13 | foxlit | offsets in some file. |
| 08:17.26 | Shirik | do you actually only have 52 bits of precision? |
| 08:17.39 | nevcairiel | 52 bit offsets should already allow for giant enough files |
| 08:18.13 | foxlit | I very likely have less than 30 bits. |
| 08:18.33 | foxlit | M.int64_le_but_not_really sounds like a function name. |
| 08:23.09 | foxlit | okay, M.int64ish_le. On the bright side, it now actually parses things. |
| 08:23.26 | Neffi | "int64ish" lol |
| 08:32.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.49 | nevcairiel | they actually use binary diff to modify sound files like that? |
| 08:35.50 | foxlit | saves you a whole 3KB. |
| 08:41.32 | foxlit | if in some unlikely case you had what I'm going to call chinese and wanted english. |
| 08:44.12 | foxlit | I think it's a bandwidth-only optimisation: theoretically, they also serve raw content for everything, and the client doesn't seem to store those diffs locally, so it doesn't seem like they're kept. |
| 08:44.57 | nevcairiel | so it applies the diff and stores the result, not both? |
| 08:45.26 | foxlit | and since it never deletes anything, it'll also keep the old version. |
| 08:45.34 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:45.44 | nevcairiel | maybe they'll fix that eventually |
| 08:47.02 | foxlit | but it's hard :( |
| 08:47.59 | foxlit | fragmentation and things. I suppose they could just have an "optimize local files" button that'd rebuild the entire 30GB store a few archives at a time. |
| 08:48.39 | nevcairiel | hm is it just me or is the b.net client unable to install a enGB client? it always wants to install a enUS client, and i wonder if that wouldn't result in troubles |
| 08:49.54 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: there is no enGB client anymore |
| 08:50.06 | foxlit | it's conspiciously missing from language selection. |
| 08:50.20 | nevcairiel | maybe they should remove the (US) then to avoid confusing peoplel ike me |
| 08:50.20 | foxlit | I suspect it does enUS + european realms = enGB. |
| 08:50.50 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: as for patching the client on different days, that's what ever download region you've selected |
| 08:50.57 | foxlit | Maldivia: but purely philosophically, would you say that there is also no frFR client anymore? |
| 08:51.34 | Maldivia | foxlit: no, I'm saying there is no enGB, or enSG for that matter -- they removed them |
| 08:51.51 | foxlit | I'm trying to figure out what you mean by "client", though. |
| 08:52.03 | Maldivia | wow-game |
| 08:52.15 | foxlit | so basically the binaries? |
| 08:52.23 | Maldivia | the casc files |
| 08:52.36 | Maldivia | the binaries are language neutral |
| 08:52.40 | foxlit | no, enGB content still exists. |
| 08:53.31 | foxlit | e.g. http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/19103/Localization.lua |
| 08:55.42 | nevcairiel | hm, so, my old .build.info said branch = eu, the new one says branch = us |
| 08:55.45 | nevcairiel | there is some difference o.o |
| 08:56.55 | nevcairiel | wonder if it fixes itself when i login |
| 08:59.32 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: basically -- when you're getting patches depends if the agent is looking at us.patch.battle.net or eu.patch.battle.net |
| 08:59.57 | Maldivia | which is all that should matter, as the game itself is the same |
| 08:59.58 | nevcairiel | starting the game did change something, now build info contains both eu/us branches, with eu marked active |
| 09:00.52 | Maldivia | the following locals were removed with wow6: enCN, enGB, enSG, enTW, ptPT |
| 09:01.29 | Kalroth | poor tugas |
| 09:02.13 | Maldivia | replaced as follows: enCN -> zhCN, enGB/enSG -> enUS, enTW -> zhTW, ptPT -> ptBR |
| 09:03.54 | Kalroth | where's dkDK |
| 09:04.01 | Alram | get rekt pls Kalroth |
| 09:04.11 | Kalroth | bite me, dutchie! |
| 09:04.20 | Alram | okay |
| 09:04.21 | nevcairiel | interestingly, the .build.info file is apparently all the b.net client needs to recognize a WoW install and start updating/restoring it, even if thats the only damn file in the directory |
| 09:04.27 | Maldivia | Kalroth: first of, it would be daDK :) |
| 09:04.39 | Kalroth | oh right |
| 09:04.48 | Alram | got rekt |
| 09:05.26 | Kalroth | so it would be daDeathKnightDK |
| 09:05.37 | foxlit | Maldivia: what's a locale in that context, and how does my client know to set _G.LOCALE_enGB instead of _G.LOCALE_enUS? |
| 09:06.53 | Maldivia | foxlit: locals that the client supports -- asl for setting LOCALE_enGB, that's because it's loading the Localization.lua file that contains that statement |
| 09:07.36 | foxlit | so why that particular Localization.lua rather than the US one? |
| 09:08.35 | Maldivia | dunno -- try extracting from the casc all Localization.lua files, and check what flags they have; there's probably a trick to it :) |
| 09:09.09 | Maldivia | probably enUS locale + eu branch |
| 09:09.32 | Maldivia | or one of the tags |
| 09:10.35 | foxlit | so I did all that, and my model of this is that there are language bits attached to each root->content map entry |
| 09:11.18 | foxlit | there are very much still separate GB/US bits; most english files are flagged for both, but that localization file in particular has GB-only and US-only variants. |
| 09:11.40 | foxlit | So the client goes "Hey, I want the GB file, let me just load that." |
| 09:12.25 | Maldivia | yeah, it seems that it just has "english" now (enUS), and then the clients further selects based on branch |
| 09:12.37 | Maldivia | seems messy |
| 09:13.09 | Maldivia | does ptPT and ptBR exhibit the same behaviour? |
| 09:13.17 | nevcairiel | likely |
| 09:13.39 | foxlit | which makes "enGB locale was removed" sound very weird to me -- there are still GB-only assets, and it's not like GetLocale() ever returned anything other than enUS anyway. |
| 09:16.16 | Maldivia | well, enGB was removed as an installable locale; that remnents of it still exists, and the client tries to do some hocus-pokus to use those files, well... |
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| 10:36.59 | relaxok | if a frame is defined as toplevel but the frames defined inside that definition aren't, doesnt that mean the frames defined in it are underneath the parent and therefore invisible or does toplevel propagate somehow? |
| 10:38.10 | nevcairiel | all child frames always layout relative to their parent, so when the parent is top level, the child frames are obviously still visible |
| 10:38.55 | nevcairiel | replace parent with anchor point, but same deal |
| 10:40.33 | relaxok | huh. |
| 10:41.11 | relaxok | i dont see how that is, doesnt it sort by framestrata => framelevel => toplevel or not? |
| 10:41.22 | relaxok | a frame inside another frame can set a different strata or level |
| 10:41.46 | nevcairiel | sure, but if its not overriden, then they automatically inherit from their parent |
| 10:42.30 | nevcairiel | and for level, afaik its handled as a offset from the parent, so if you bump the parent on top, it would drag all childs with it |
| 10:42.54 | relaxok | okay so toplevel is inherited |
| 10:43.03 | relaxok | that might be my issue |
| 10:45.01 | relaxok | when you have a dialog up with a modal background like when you press menu in the character select screen, what keeps the mouseover/etc events from happening on the elements behind that? the model background would need to be mouse enabled to steal that wouldnt it? |
| 10:49.58 | relaxok | oh it does hmm |
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| 12:18.17 | foxlit | foxlit: I think it's a bandwidth-only optimisation: theoretically, they also serve raw content for everything, and the client doesn't seem to store those diffs locally, so it doesn't seem like they're kept. << on second thought, even that is a problem. |
| 12:19.52 | foxlit | it'd get the new content by patching an old version, but it can't really get the new encoding to match the declared encoding md5, so the patched/raw copies can't be stored in the same fashion. |
| 12:26.30 | foxlit | ... which explains what b:{818=z,20600=n} is. |
| 12:28.53 | foxlit | feels like there shold be lots more of these somewhere. |
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| 13:31.33 | jleclanche | Timeless Isle Tokens and legendary weapons looted during the fight with Kael'thas Sunstrider in Tempest Keep are no longer included in the guild news panel. |
| 13:31.41 | jleclanche | wow really, in a minor patch after two expansions? |
| 13:32.05 | jleclanche | in a *hotfix*?! |
| 13:33.45 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:34.07 | Kalroth | "Hey Jim, why did you read code from THAT SVN branch, its like years old" |
| 13:34.09 | Kalroth | "lol dunno" |
| 13:34.12 | nevcairiel | man the 50 rings challenge sure was easy after they fixed it |
| 13:35.06 | jleclanche | Defeating Sartharion too quickly should no longer cause him to not drop a mount. |
| 13:35.07 | jleclanche | hahah |
| 13:39.28 | karl_w_w | i miss when you could do old content for golds |
| 13:39.38 | nevcairiel | you still can |
| 13:39.49 | karl_w_w | they nerfed it though |
| 13:39.53 | jleclanche | you could do it for massive amounts |
| 13:39.55 | jleclanche | like 200g per boss |
| 13:40.07 | karl_w_w | it was a lot of gold at the time |
| 13:40.21 | karl_w_w | a few of us from our guild would do magtheridon |
| 13:40.26 | nevcairiel | you still get 125g per boss in cataclysm heroic raids, there is usually a couple groups up that run them all for 3-4k per player in an hour |
| 13:40.55 | karl_w_w | thats not as much gold now |
| 13:41.16 | karl_w_w | they had to make them drop like a tenth as much gold or something like that iirc |
| 13:41.35 | nevcairiel | they just scaled it to per-person, instead of one constant amount |
| 13:41.42 | jleclanche | aye |
| 13:42.09 | nevcairiel | you only got massive amounts of gold because you went there with very few people, instead of the 25 it was esigned for |
| 13:42.09 | nevcairiel | +d |
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| 14:35.23 | pompy | http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/04/last-pirate-bay-founder-arrested/?ncid=rss_truncated |
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| 14:37.44 | Fisker | riot |
| 14:38.33 | Fisker | poor guys though |
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| 14:42.56 | Simca | i like the second comment that tries to make this a religious issue |
| 14:42.59 | Simca | real classy |
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| 15:00.01 | karl_w_w | I wonder what the charge is |
| 15:00.30 | mitch0 | piracy? |
| 15:00.33 | karl_w_w | other than "oh come on, you know what you did" |
| 15:00.43 | karl_w_w | what piracy |
| 15:00.50 | karl_w_w | they havent pirated anything |
| 15:01.23 | karl_w_w | afaik hosting file hashes isn't illegal in sweden |
| 15:04.49 | mitch0 | they bult the ship for teh pirates! |
| 15:10.58 | foxlit | presumably it's still for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Bay_trial |
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| 15:14.16 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour! |
| 15:15.32 | Constie | Hello, friend. |
| 15:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | We are having fun, just thought you should know. |
| 15:21.02 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: we have champagne |
| 15:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | Sweeet. |
| 15:32.59 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:38.37 | Cairenn | smoogles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, collect extra hugs for me this weekend, okay? I'll be feeding 300+ Scadians at an investiture. |
| 15:48.38 | Cairenn | \o/ |
| 15:48.42 | Cairenn | and will do! |
| 15:49.58 | Cairenn | Shutting my system down momentarily - see some of you Wed night/Thursday at BC, 'see' the rest of you next week! :) |
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| 17:35.12 | foxlit | I like how mmo-c frontpage no longer has any actual above-the-fold content. |
| 17:36.57 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/mmoc.png |
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| 17:40.56 | Fisker | safari! |
| 17:44.57 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:47.00 | Stanzilla | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2l87ve/the_future_of_wow_eye_of_azshara/ |
| 17:53.14 | foxlit | Semlar: I think your monitor might be on its side. |
| 17:53.24 | Semlar | that's possible |
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| 18:17.23 | mikma | http://www.break.com/video/kevin-spacey-dropping-mad-impressions-2783267 |
| 18:17.26 | mikma | GOLDEN! |
| 18:34.23 | karl_w_w | you havent seen this one mikma? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIQMptnTf0s |
| 18:35.39 | mikma | karl_w_w: noooope |
| 18:40.22 | karl_w_w | i love that one because of the mannerisms |
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| 19:08.23 | Ssateneth | sorry for possible idiot question.. but how do you get the cost of a spell/ability now? GetSpellInfo doesn't return spell cost anymore :/ |
| 19:08.33 | Semlar | scrape the tooltip |
| 19:09.07 | Ssateneth | Thats it? Damnit blizz |
| 19:09.19 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14881058187#4 |
| 19:10.13 | Ssateneth | bows to the mighty massa of battle.net searching. |
| 19:10.23 | Semlar | well i wrote the post |
| 19:10.42 | Semlar | so it wasn't too hard to find |
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| 19:11.29 | Semlar | i only wrote patterns for mana focus and energy, so if you need to check something else you'll have to add it |
| 19:11.38 | Ssateneth | oh haha |
| 19:11.47 | Ssateneth | bows to the mighty Semlar again. :P |
| 19:12.37 | Ssateneth | Yeah I'll need to check mana, holy power, energy, chi, and rage (not all at the same time mind, but i'll try to figure it out) |
| 19:14.00 | Semlar | HOLY_POWER_COST, CHI_COST, RAGE_COST seem to be the global strings |
| 19:14.25 | Semlar | you can just copy the existing patterns and add those in place of MANA_COST or whatever |
| 19:14.31 | Semlar | although you'll need the power number |
| 19:14.50 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types#powerType |
| 19:16.07 | Semlar | ex. for holy power: [9] = '^' .. gsub(HOLY_POWER_COST, '%%d', '([.,%%d]+)', 1) .. '$', |
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| 19:17.13 | Ssateneth | <3 |
| 19:17.48 | Semlar | i think 12 is chi |
| 19:17.59 | Semlar | it's labeled as "light force" in this list |
| 19:19.10 | Stanzilla | holy power is 9 |
| 19:19.19 | Semlar | i said that |
| 19:19.51 | Ssateneth | dat name. Though I think thats form back when blizz planned monks to use both light and dark energy, but in the end they scrapped it for jsut another name for holy power |
| 19:20.32 | Semlar | i think my example is going to choke on this because it only checks UnitPowerType('player') and i assume for a paladin it would return mana and not give you any information about the holy power |
| 19:21.10 | Semlar | it would have to be modified to check more than one pattern against what's in the tooltip |
| 19:21.53 | Ssateneth | yeah thats just the primary bar underneath the health bar |
| 19:22.32 | Semlar | local powerPattern = PowerPatterns[UnitPowerType('player')] this is how it determines what pattern to use, so it would have to be changed |
| 19:23.36 | Semlar | you could add an exception for paladins and monks or just rewrite it |
| 19:24.13 | Semlar | i didn't want to run a check against every pattern in the list because that's a lot slower and pointless for most uses |
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| 20:31.39 | VIad | tonight the garrosh hc groups set the ilvl req to mythic levels - wtf is going on? ;D |
| 20:31.57 | VIad | done him with my 540 DK so many times (560 now due to that :p) |
| 20:32.12 | VIad | solo tanked even, c'mon people suck at the ilvl req |
| 20:32.23 | VIad | I saw a guy making a normal group with 550+ req too |
| 20:33.18 | Semlar | you people need guilds |
| 20:33.22 | Ssateneth | shitty players will be shitty |
| 20:33.40 | Ssateneth | yeah but nobody wants a 584 warrior. I don't know whats going on :/ |
| 20:33.49 | Ssateneth | I thought 584 was good? |
| 20:34.02 | VIad | declined from like 10 heroic groups now :p |
| 20:34.03 | Semlar | who's turning down a 584 warrior |
| 20:34.43 | Semlar | that's full mythic gear |
| 20:34.43 | VIad | I got invited into one, the chat read "wtf ur doin?" "I inv ppl mate. 550 is pretty enough." "You have been removed from the group." |
| 20:34.58 | Semlar | plus warriors are op |
| 20:35.54 | foxlit | maybe they're having a really hard time finding healers, so bringing additional dps (and hence increasing healing requirements) is an unappealing concept. |
| 20:36.10 | VIad | btw the group finder needs an addon :p |
| 20:36.25 | VIad | the search field isn't that great ;3 |
| 20:36.32 | Semlar | eh, people just need to learn how to use it |
| 20:36.43 | VIad | it won't accept "heroic" and "garrosh" as query |
| 20:36.50 | VIad | i.e. I want heroic garrosh :p |
| 20:36.58 | Semlar | the search field is for the name of the instance, that's about it |
| 20:37.18 | VIad | not good enough |
| 20:38.07 | Ssateneth | nah it matches the title and details too |
| 20:38.15 | Ssateneth | look up 'frogs" and you find groups for frogs |
| 20:38.36 | Semlar | it will search titles, but not well |
| 20:38.38 | Ssateneth | frogocalypse |
| 20:38.53 | Semlar | its main purpose is to filter by exact raid name |
| 20:40.15 | Ssateneth | just make your own group if its such a problem (yes i hate that answer too) |
| 20:40.25 | Ssateneth | hell if you are a good leader, sell spots to garrosh |
| 20:40.38 | Ssateneth | people pay 5k for h garrosh on our server |
| 20:40.47 | Ssateneth | a friend made 400k in 1 day |
| 20:41.16 | Semlar | they ran garrosh almost a hundred times? |
| 20:41.26 | Semlar | i'm not sure that checks out |
| 20:41.36 | kd3 | 10+ carried people per run? |
| 20:41.48 | Semlar | one healer can't carry ten people |
| 20:42.12 | Semlar | if you have a group of people carrying ten people per run you're splitting the profits between them |
| 20:44.43 | Semlar | plus it's not like you can just keep running garrosh |
| 20:44.51 | Semlar | you need lockouts at garrosh |
| 20:45.51 | Ssateneth | maybe 2 days haha |
| 20:46.13 | Ssateneth | but he didnt just 'carry' 1 person at a time |
| 20:46.49 | Ssateneth | he gave me a free run, just looked like he was inviting people that wanted to pay for it, and filling in from group finder |
| 20:47.30 | Semlar | heroic should be a pushover at this point |
| 20:48.09 | Semlar | you probably don't need that many competent people to carry a group |
| 20:48.49 | tz | you don't, but it helps |
| 20:49.05 | tz | with the heroic groups I've been in, I'd say mythic was the easier difficulty |
| 20:49.17 | tz | but that's entirely because of the group |
| 20:51.43 | Ssateneth | I guess not showing achievements is good for a person that wants to join, bad for the leader |
| 20:53.11 | Semlar | i think the group leader should be able to see how many times they've killed the bosses on various difficulties so they can make their own judgment about who to bring |
| 20:55.27 | Ssateneth | I guess my problem with progressing/finding a guild is I don't have very many friends. |
| 20:55.40 | Ssateneth | Like you need to have an 'in' to even get into a reasonable group or guild now. |
| 20:55.48 | Semlar | you have to make friends |
| 20:56.07 | Ssateneth | How do I make friends without being in a guild to make said friends? :P |
| 20:56.20 | Semlar | be a good player |
| 20:56.26 | Ssateneth | I am! :P |
| 20:56.36 | VIad | dont got time for a guild :p |
| 20:56.37 | Semlar | then show people you are a good player |
| 20:57.01 | VIad | doesn't help |
| 20:57.05 | Semlar | maybe not right now, but the launch of WoD would be a very good place to start |
| 20:57.15 | VIad | it's not practical to show you are a good player to the group finder tool |
| 20:57.17 | VIad | it's randoms :p |
| 20:57.21 | Semlar | because everyone at level 100 is going to be in the same boat in terms of gear |
| 20:57.24 | VIad | you never meet the same person |
| 20:57.32 | VIad | not even a thumbs up/down system on it |
| 20:57.38 | Ssateneth | I blame aspergers. |
| 20:57.54 | Ssateneth | I'm too worried of failing. :P |
| 20:58.03 | VIad | it's practically randoms each dungeon you do and it's pointless to show you are a good player when they don't even invite you ;p |
| 20:58.13 | Ssateneth | Failing with other people that is. Failing against a scripted encounter doesn't bother me. |
| 20:58.28 | Semlar | you don't have to queue for random groups |
| 20:58.32 | Ssateneth | thumbs up/down would be amazing. |
| 20:58.33 | Semlar | you can, you know, make your own |
| 20:58.47 | Ssateneth | even if only 1 out of 100 people did it, i could make a considerable rating. |
| 20:59.06 | Ssateneth | But then gotta deal with the rating abusers that downvote everyone |
| 20:59.20 | VIad | don't think it's practical anymore, people just roll with the group finder and use too high req in hope to get rid of scrubs - I get it |
| 20:59.34 | Semlar | that is a very defeatist attitude |
| 20:59.46 | Ssateneth | yeah, thats the main reason of high ilvl.. I always say, can't fix stupid. |
| 20:59.59 | Ssateneth | Not even with gear. Not with people paying for it left and right. |
| 21:00.30 | VIad | just did heroic with 13 people |
| 21:00.32 | Ssateneth | ...Sorry, did we get off topic with this channel? :S |
| 21:00.38 | VIad | 540ilvl average on all :D |
| 21:00.41 | Semlar | this channel doesn't have a topic |
| 21:00.42 | VIad | went really smooth |
| 21:00.42 | Ssateneth | yeah 13 people is fine |
| 21:00.53 | kd3 | wish I could keep this title... http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/medivh/kaydeethree/advanced |
| 21:00.58 | VIad | you also got those that say 560+ req for the same thing ;p |
| 21:01.15 | Semlar | tries to calm kd3 down |
| 21:01.19 | Ssateneth | yeah if your members have at least half a brain, volunteer to do mechanics, follow the strat.. it's very simple. |
| 21:02.11 | Ssateneth | You get people like "QUICK ZERG NAZZ, IGNORE ADDS, GOGOOGO" then wipe when I've been saying from the start "Lets just WAIT until all 10 waves of adds are gone before pushing" |
| 21:02.16 | Ssateneth | (This was before 6.0) |
| 21:02.37 | Ssateneth | We wiped 3 times to zerging, kicked the person that kept saying 'zerg it', did my strat, killed it no problem. |
| 21:02.48 | Ssateneth | People are so impatient.. |
| 21:03.20 | Ssateneth | "Slayer of Stupid, Incompetent and Disappointing ..." Does it have to be minions? |
| 21:03.31 | VIad | group finder needs some on/off checkboxes |
| 21:03.37 | Ssateneth | Can it be ... some other derogatory term for annoying people that don't listen or be a team player? |
| 21:03.38 | VIad | check "patient" |
| 21:03.39 | VIad | :p |
| 21:04.06 | Semlar | group finder needs tags |
| 21:04.16 | Ssateneth | Also good mog kd3 |
| 21:04.25 | Ssateneth | I liked a lot of the BC dungeon set recolors. |
| 21:04.45 | Ssateneth | I use the warrior t0 dungeon recolor set myself. |
| 21:05.30 | Ssateneth | Missing a helm though.. Would prefer the legit t0.5 set but kinda lazy to do darkmoon. At least I think thats where you can get it now |
| 21:07.14 | VIad | meh |
| 21:07.22 | VIad | darkmoon forces you to work twice as hard for the 0.5 tiers |
| 21:07.36 | VIad | compared to the actual 0.5 tiers ;p |
| 21:08.01 | VIad | wtb: call last pet > revive pet > mend pet |
| 21:08.08 | VIad | one button pet action |
| 21:09.01 | Kesava | (guys how do you change the gametooltip font so that it isn't this terrible huge white thing) |
| 21:09.39 | Semlar | you could edit the font strings it uses |
| 21:10.12 | Kesava | is there a way to get those without having to iterate through children? |
| 21:10.26 | Semlar | they have names |
| 21:10.34 | Semlar | if you're talking about the default gametooltip |
| 21:10.38 | Kesava | yes |
| 21:10.49 | Semlar | GameTooltipTextLeft1, etc |
| 21:10.55 | Kesava | ah |
| 21:11.02 | Semlar | but they're dynamically created |
| 21:11.17 | Kesava | they'll reset when i'm done with them? good good |
| 21:11.34 | Semlar | no, but every time a new line is added to the tooltip it has to create the strings for it |
| 21:11.42 | relaxok | Stack begin: [[ `E:\MMOSDK\Data\Interface\FrameXML\PaperDollFrame.lua:1216: invalid option '%F' to 'format'' ]] |
| 21:11.43 | relaxok | wtf is this? |
| 21:11.48 | Semlar | like when the tooltip has to be expanded to support additional lines |
| 21:11.52 | relaxok | did this used to be valid lua? |
| 21:12.03 | VIad | relaxok: case sensitive? |
| 21:12.04 | Kesava | oh. i see |
| 21:12.07 | relaxok | offhandSpeed = format("%.2F", offhandSpeed); |
| 21:12.14 | Kesava | F = f |
| 21:12.20 | relaxok | sure |
| 21:12.25 | relaxok | but that's apparently not valid lua |
| 21:12.28 | VIad | works in wow but might not in your MMOSDK :p |
| 21:12.38 | relaxok | i realize |
| 21:12.39 | Kesava | i see |
| 21:12.49 | VIad | format("%.1F", 1.337) -> 1.3 |
| 21:12.56 | Ssateneth | I like the new fists of fury sound effect |
| 21:12.58 | Ssateneth | ATATATATTATATATATAATATATA] |
| 21:13.20 | relaxok | maybe the uppercase F is ok in lua 5.2 or whatever |
| 21:13.35 | VIad | y |
| 21:13.38 | VIad | I got 5.1 |
| 21:13.40 | VIad | I'll check |
| 21:13.54 | relaxok | i dont even remember what version im using |
| 21:14.01 | relaxok | it was the newest one like 6 months ago |
| 21:14.13 | VIad | lua fails |
| 21:14.18 | relaxok | hah |
| 21:14.19 | VIad | it's a wow thing |
| 21:14.26 | relaxok | i guess they hack format() |
| 21:14.27 | VIad | they made %F an alias |
| 21:14.51 | relaxok | well why is the error about %F when it's %.2F |
| 21:14.58 | VIad | like the string.find being gsub in disguise |
| 21:15.04 | VIad | it's still %F |
| 21:15.05 | VIad | capital F |
| 21:15.11 | VIad | it expects %.2f |
| 21:16.11 | relaxok | if i were to override format and lowercase the format string, how can i pass it to the regular lua format()? |
| 21:20.19 | relaxok | hah |
| 21:20.20 | relaxok | oops |
| 21:20.22 | relaxok | i am already overriding it |
| 21:20.29 | relaxok | LUA_TRY_STATIC( CLua::dostring( "format = string.format" ) ); |
| 21:25.35 | Ssateneth | Thats some voodoo shit right there. |
| 21:25.45 | Ssateneth | I'm like .. the most novice of novices with LUA <.< |
| 21:26.21 | relaxok | LUA_TRY_STATIC( CLua::dostring( "function format(formatArg, ...) string.format( string.lower(formatArg), ... ); end" ) ); |
| 21:26.24 | relaxok | success! |
| 21:26.37 | Kesava | Semlar: (that turned out to be a silly thing to do so i just added a title to the tooltip text instead and used addline twice etc.) |
| 21:27.43 | relaxok | Ssateneth: don't worry, it's c++ with the lua c api, not lua |
| 21:29.19 | Semlar | cavern of lament at the darkmoon faire? this must be something new |
| 21:31.32 | Kesava | it is indeed |
| 21:31.46 | Kesava | it has level 100 mobs which drop a garrison trophy quest item and level 99 BOEs |
| 21:31.49 | Kesava | apparently |
| 21:32.23 | kd3 | the only mobs I saw in there were multiple copies of one named mob |
| 21:32.35 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Erinys |
| 21:32.37 | Kesava | well. yes. one level 100 mob. |
| 21:33.01 | zenzelezz | hm, so Dawngate is shutting down. I wonder if MOBAs are starting to learn that it's a hard market |
| 21:35.41 | nebula169 | dawngate was pretty bad at playing the hype machine |
| 21:35.59 | nebula169 | the only reason i knew about it is a buddy worked there |
| 21:46.57 | Kesava | in lua, is there a "if string ~= pattern" thing? |
| 21:47.06 | Kesava | i was pretty sure it was tilde but um. i guess not. |
| 21:47.17 | Semlar | ~= is not equal |
| 21:47.17 | purl | Semlar: what are you talking about? |
| 21:47.27 | Kesava | oh. yes. i do know that. |
| 21:48.09 | Semlar | you're trying to use string.match? |
| 21:48.58 | Kesava | well i mean i know i can just use string.match |
| 21:49.15 | Kesava | i was just pretty sure i remembered there being an if operator for it |
| 21:49.47 | Semlar | i don't really understand what you're asking |
| 21:50.13 | Kesava | i'm going to assume the answer is no |
| 21:50.14 | Kesava | it's okay |
| 21:50.16 | Semlar | if you're trying to compare a string against a pattern, you have to use one of the pattern matching functions |
| 21:50.28 | Kesava | right |
| 21:51.51 | Kesava | I might be thinking of javascript. or ruby. Or one of those. |
| 21:52.01 | Kesava | which is strange since I haven't used either of those for so long. |
| 21:52.11 | Kesava | but then I did forget ~= is != in lua so maybe i'm going crazy. |
| 21:52.11 | Semlar | well python lets you do "if string in otherstring:" and stuff |
| 21:52.35 | Kesava | indeed |
| 21:57.07 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 21:57.20 | Mr_Rabies | looks like somehow ARL and altoholic are colliding now |
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