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| 00:27.06 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 00:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | the darkmoon thing is impossible to do right now |
| 00:27.22 | Mr_Rabies | even on my dead realm, i can't imagine say, stormrage |
| 00:35.51 | Mr_Rabies | firebird's challenge, that is |
| 00:36.40 | fewyn | it's impossible which is why i'm farming giant dinosaur bones now that they aren't bop |
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| 00:43.59 | Stanzilla | Simca: how you get syd the squid? |
| 00:44.34 | kd3 | defeat the new pet trainer at the faire |
| 00:44.47 | Simca | Stanzilla: http://www.wowdb.com/items/116062-greater-darkmoon-pet-supplies |
| 00:45.16 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 00:45.20 | Stanzilla | not gonna happen for me |
| 01:00.59 | Semlar | i believe in you |
| 01:19.27 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: its bugged |
| 01:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i saw tht now |
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| 01:28.05 | Semlar | foxlit: copying anything out of the codeblocks on your casc page puts the entire script on one line |
| 01:28.29 | Semlar | it just drops the line breaks |
| 01:30.41 | fewyn | oh my god https://twitter.com/BlizzCon/status/529075501650833409 |
| 01:30.44 | fewyn | i need this |
| 01:32.13 | kd3 | wtb mage t2 |
| 01:34.04 | Semlar | aaand this doesn't work at all because it's trying to use curl |
| 01:37.06 | Semlar | is luaCASC supposed to work on windows |
| 01:37.15 | Stanzilla | get curl |
| 01:37.41 | Stanzilla | Semlar: https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow |
| 01:42.11 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/rYHG768n |
| 01:43.08 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/6suN1wQf this is the entire script |
| 01:47.12 | Semlar | well, i tried |
| 01:47.17 | Semlar | to python! |
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| 01:55.20 | Semlar | oh, looks like it doesn't work with lua 5.2 |
| 01:56.23 | Semlar | and this takes a long time to open with 5.1, how long is it supposed to take to create a handle |
| 01:58.30 | Semlar | i don't supposed someone has a lua binary that includes all of the dependencies luaCASC wants |
| 02:04.14 | Semlar | i mean it takes like 30 seconds to a minute to launch |
| 02:04.31 | Semlar | so i'm guessing this is not how it's supposed to perform |
| 02:06.29 | Simca | tbh that's about how I'd expect it to perform given it is a scripting language handling a very complex filesystem, but foxlit was saying it could go from idle to ready to extract things in like 6 seconds |
| 02:06.33 | Simca | so something is probably wrong |
| 02:06.58 | Semlar | eh my python script using stormlib immediately opened the mpq files and patched them |
| 02:07.17 | Semlar | so i don't think it's because it's a scripting language |
| 02:07.20 | Simca | MPQ is not comparable |
| 02:08.10 | Simca | you have to parse a 50+ MB encoding file to even figure out what files relate to what content |
| 02:08.39 | Semlar | could it not have to do that every time i launch it |
| 02:08.42 | Simca | no |
| 02:08.51 | Semlar | so it's not possible for it to cache that information |
| 02:09.00 | Simca | not really |
| 02:09.17 | Semlar | i can't have it taking up to a minute to launch a script every time i change something to see how it works |
| 02:09.32 | Simca | it's possible you could write it into a state more compatible than the native encoding format |
| 02:09.47 | Simca | but unless you plan to run the program on the same set of data many many times, that is fairly pointless |
| 02:11.32 | Simca | in the C-based CASC extractor I use, it takes about 5-6 seconds to read encoding, and about another 5-6 seconds to hash the provided filelist, match them to their encoding entries, and build everything into a reasonable table format |
| 02:13.17 | Simca | blizzard does it in ~4-5 seconds, but presumably they wrote in assembly or a mix of assembly and C |
| 02:13.52 | Simca | and they don't need a file list |
| 02:15.04 | Simca | well, beyond the 120k or so entries in Filedata.dbc |
| 02:15.27 | [TOM_RUS] | Simca, my tool performs about the same, 5 sec to load casc stuff, and about 9 sec to load and hash file list |
| 02:16.09 | [TOM_RUS] | http://paste2.org/ItG466He |
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| 02:17.21 | InfamousX | I'm back! Whether you all like it or not! *maniacal laugh ensues* |
| 02:17.33 | tz | runs in fear |
| 02:17.46 | InfamousX | I accept your fear-running. |
| 02:18.42 | InfamousX | I would also like you all to know I have successfully created my first non-sharedmedia related addon! |
| 02:19.14 | Simca | we don't have timestamps but i just timed it at roughly 16 seconds |
| 02:19.17 | Semlar | it takes 45 seconds to run casc.open() |
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| 02:19.29 | Semlar | on an SSD, not that it probably matters |
| 02:19.49 | kd3 | it's nowhere near that bad for me. I suspect you're hitting unoptimized code paths on windows |
| 02:20.01 | Semlar | elaborate |
| 02:20.08 | Semlar | and give me your luas |
| 02:20.18 | Semlar | i need a binary that actually works |
| 02:20.35 | kd3 | I'm on linux, so, eh. I'm also still using luacasc1.1 |
| 02:20.40 | Semlar | :| |
| 02:20.47 | InfamousX | Semlar you sly dog |
| 02:21.04 | Semlar | yes this is dog |
| 02:21.16 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.49 | Semlar | it takes 45 seconds to just execute casc.open("C:/World of Warcraft/", {verifyHashes=false}) |
| 02:22.58 | Semlar | presumably some of these dependencies are important but since i can't compile anything i'm probably SOL |
| 02:23.32 | [TOM_RUS] | i've been told by some guy that his casc implementation takes less than 1 sec to initialize, it's written in C++ and sources is not public, not sure if that's true |
| 02:25.52 | InfamousX | Would there be any issue with releasing my addon to wowinterface if it's just simply hiding AtlasLoot's minimap button? Currently AtlasLoot's beta version doesn't allow access to the options menu so there's no other way than using an addon or macro. |
| 02:26.23 | InfamousX | It doesn't appear in SexyMap's options, either. |
| 02:27.55 | Semlar | why not make the button work |
| 02:30.04 | InfamousX | Because I'm still a noob:) |
| 02:31.26 | Semlar | installing an addon seems like a lot of effort to go to just to hide a button |
| 02:32.51 | Semlar | if a macro can do it you can make a button that does the same thing |
| 02:34.20 | InfamousX | Didn't really think about that, honestly. It's just a simple script that eliminates any event calls to the button and then hides it altogether |
| 02:34.40 | InfamousX | I just don't like having to press it every time I /reload because that's a lot |
| 02:34.49 | kd3 | semlar, here's the benchmark I'm running. http://dpaste.com/3J9XXCQ |
| 02:35.03 | kd3 | I'm averaging 7.96-8.01s |
| 02:36.01 | kd3 | on a pretty meh ssd |
| 02:38.26 | tz | heh, luacasc looks like fun |
| 02:39.22 | tz | thing is, would implementation in C++ be a 10-fold increase? wouldn't the biggest factor be I/O? |
| 02:40.30 | tz | then again, WoW does it pretty damn quickly |
| 02:40.33 | tz | never mind my rambling |
| 02:41.22 | Semlar | luaCASC doesn't work at all using https://code.google.com/p/luaforwindows/ and works very, very slowly using the binaries from here http://sourceforge.net/projects/luabinaries/files/5.1.5/Tools%20Executables/ |
| 02:41.36 | Semlar | and doesn't work with lua 5.2 |
| 02:42.02 | Semlar | so i'm not sure what needs to be done to get it to function properly |
| 02:43.43 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/azUFuJNi this is what it throws trying to call casc.open with "lua for windows" |
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| 02:45.01 | Semlar | on the plus side it only takes like 13 seconds to error out |
| 02:45.09 | Semlar | so that's a huge performance improvement |
| 02:56.23 | kd3 | huh, in luacasc 1.3 I'm getting slightly slower (roughly 8.1 seconds) now with verifyHashes=false |
| 02:58.44 | kd3 | waits for the verifyHashes=true casc.open() call to return... |
| 03:13.12 | pompy | http://www.vg247.com/2014/11/03/evolve-ps4-big-alpha-live/ thanks for failing Sony, worked out for all the other platforms |
| 03:13.58 | InfamousX | anyone know how I can track Incanter's Flow percentage in lua? |
| 03:14.26 | nebula169 | does it have a buff that shows that info? |
| 03:14.56 | InfamousX | let me recheck |
| 03:16.39 | InfamousX | tooltip says percentage and each stack increases the percentage by 4, but I want it to show percentage instead of stacks. is that possible? |
| 03:16.58 | nebula169 | Semlar: use the Win64 version from luabinaries |
| 03:17.27 | Semlar | link |
| 03:17.40 | Semlar | oh, yeah that's the version i was using |
| 03:17.42 | nebula169 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/luabinaries/files/5.1.5/Tools%20Executables/lua-5.1.5_Win64_bin.zip/download |
| 03:17.46 | Semlar | takes 45 seconds to launch |
| 03:18.30 | nebula169 | takes a bit to load the filesystem, yea |
| 03:18.38 | Semlar | takes 8 seconds for kd3 |
| 03:19.33 | Semlar | takes 13 seconds using "lua for windows" because it has some other libs with it, but for some reason it's only working when i double click the lua file instead of launching it from the interpreter |
| 03:20.02 | Semlar | i don't know, this isn't really worth the effort |
| 03:20.21 | Semlar | there's a reason i use scripting languages and it's not to go around compiling shit |
| 03:20.54 | nebula169 | yea, it does take 45s, never noticed that before |
| 03:22.55 | nebula169 | and i have all the libs compiled |
| 03:23.36 | kullervo | is this something you can't just throw more hardware at? |
| 03:23.53 | Semlar | well something "lua for windows" has in it makes it a hell of a lot faster than the other binary |
| 03:24.19 | Semlar | so if you have the dependencies and it's still taking 45 seconds for you i'm not sure what the difference is |
| 03:33.23 | Semlar | alright i had to add gzip.exe to luaforwindows but it does function now |
| 03:34.00 | nebula169 | how does wow's lua call stack work? i assumed functions couldn't run concurrently, but apparently the event dispatch system does just that |
| 03:34.38 | Semlar | as far as i know it's all linear |
| 03:36.21 | nebula169 | thats what i thought, but funky had issues with chat events calling the same function multiple times before it finished execution, and the same thing in ora with UNIT_FACTION needing a check to see if it was already running |
| 03:37.21 | Semlar | they might have changed something with 6.0 |
| 03:37.35 | nebula169 | (this is older code) |
| 03:51.39 | Simca | <tz> thing is, would implementation in C++ be a 10-fold increase? wouldn't the biggest factor be I/O? |
| 03:51.46 | Simca | 30-50% increase probably |
| 03:52.16 | Simca | all public CASC extractors use C# aside from this one though, and C# isn't that much faster than lua |
| 03:53.02 | Mr_Rabies | pompy, you still here? :O |
| 04:00.10 | Simca | I don't suppose there is anyone here familiar with emacs and knows how to make it stop doing this to my comments: http://i.imgur.com/IxlB9Oo.png |
| 04:02.36 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/JVVMLaQ.png |
| 04:03.23 | Semlar | problem? |
| 04:05.46 | Simca | yes, i mad |
| 04:05.58 | Semlar | tries to calm simca down |
| 04:06.02 | Simca | my hatred for linux text editors grows with every use |
| 04:06.43 | Simca | I can't even fathom why this would be an option, let alone the default |
| 04:08.28 | nebula169 | emacs, pfft /turnsupnose |
| 04:09.15 | Simca | If you are typing a comment and wish to continue it to another line, type M-j or C-M-j (comment-indent-new-line). This breaks the current line, and inserts the necessary comment delimiters and indentation to continue the comment. |
| 04:09.17 | Simca | When Auto Fill mode is on, going past the fill column while typing a comment also continues the comment, in the same way as an explicit invocation of M-j. |
| 04:09.29 | Simca | auto fill mode. i will direct my rage at that feature. |
| 04:15.06 | kullervo | haha. |
| 04:34.14 | Mr_Rabies | mannnn |
| 04:34.27 | Mr_Rabies | i wish the heirloom bag was a thing |
| 04:34.40 | Mr_Rabies | er, heirloom collection |
| 04:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | thing |
| 04:35.09 | Semlar | you could just mail them all to one alt |
| 04:35.25 | Mr_Rabies | randomly decided to start leveling my bank alt for some reason and now i have to make a new bank alt if i want to put this char in my raiding guild |
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| 05:15.08 | Simca | tbh bank alts should not be necessary now |
| 05:21.24 | Simca | because i had to spend a half hour screwing around with emacs, my project was 9 minutes late and i lost 5% (1 day late). |
| 05:21.39 | Simca | my hatred for linux text editors burns ever brighter |
| 05:22.12 | Thunder_Child | I enjoy vim |
| 05:22.15 | Semlar | can you get a file list using luaCASC |
| 05:22.32 | Simca | no, you need a file list to use luaCASC |
| 05:22.36 | Simca | it's the other way around |
| 05:23.51 | nebula169 | other than the dbcs, doesn't FileData.dbc have everything? |
| 05:24.18 | Simca | FileData.dbc has ~120k out of ~840k files |
| 05:24.22 | Semlar | not even close |
| 05:24.23 | Simca | so, not really |
| 05:24.25 | nebula169 | ah |
| 05:24.32 | nebula169 | what doesn't it include? |
| 05:24.35 | Semlar | it's missing all of the map data which is the only thing i care about |
| 05:24.57 | Simca | 95%+ of textures, wmos, adts, and models |
| 05:25.04 | Simca | they're loaded dynamically |
| 05:25.29 | Simca | it sees a map it wants to load, it knows the adt for the tile you are requesting to load into must exist, so it requests that file |
| 05:25.37 | Simca | the adt contains a file reference to the wmos it has |
| 05:25.43 | Simca | those wmos list their models and textures |
| 05:25.51 | Simca | the models from those wmos list the textures they use |
| 05:26.27 | Simca | it's all one very large tree of files, and filedata.dbc is just the trunk |
| 05:27.18 | Semlar | you're right, i can infer the paths to the adts |
| 05:27.39 | Semlar | i don't need a file list |
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| 05:33.27 | Simca | Semlar: https://github.com/WoW-Tools/CASCExplorer/releases/download/v0.7-alpha/casctools.zip contains the best file list |
| 05:34.21 | Semlar | i think i can do what i'm after without it as long as i can double-check that the path actually exists |
| 05:34.57 | Semlar | but it'll help if i can't get that working |
| 05:41.24 | karl_w_w | From Fanny Adams (1859-1867), a young girl brutally murdered and dismembered. Tins of mutton introduced in the British navy after her death were not liked by the sailors and were taken to be her butchered remains. Fanny Adams then came to mean any worthless thing, and thence nothing at all. |
| 05:41.28 | karl_w_w | holy shit |
| 05:42.35 | karl_w_w | I thought it was just a made up name that shared the initials of 'fuck all' |
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| 06:10.45 | Shirik | today in "what the fuck, Windows!": Creating a hard-link to a file is OK, but creating a symlink to a file requires administrative rights. |
| 06:20.09 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:20.20 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:20.58 | Fisker | why is that a what the fuck? |
| 06:21.17 | Shirik | why should I need administrative rights to create a symlink |
| 06:23.10 | Fisker | Maybe so you can't mess with the constabulary |
| 06:24.58 | Shirik | this is america |
| 06:25.01 | Shirik | we don't have a constabulary |
| 06:25.13 | Semlar | i've never even seen a constabulary |
| 06:38.48 | Fisker | come to america Shirik |
| 06:46.43 | Fisker | fight me Shirik |
| 06:47.26 | Shirik | I am in america Fisker |
| 06:47.37 | Fisker | Then why won 't you come fight me? |
| 06:48.08 | Fisker | won't* |
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| 07:16.50 | Constie | Seems to me like Shirik's scared. |
| 07:17.34 | nevcairiel | he better be, a crazed dane is coming to his country and wants to fight him! |
| 07:20.10 | Fisker | yes |
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| 08:48.25 | foxlit | kd3: on an unrelated note, your global EN is nil. |
| 08:51.58 | foxlit | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/6suN1wQf this is the entire script << on a fun API design note, that ends up loading from the CDN for you. |
| 08:53.56 | nevcairiel | hm, why? |
| 08:56.06 | nevcairiel | if you open it with a local root, wouldnt you expect it to use that build and the local data? |
| 08:56.16 | foxlit | That's what you would expect. |
| 08:56.35 | nevcairiel | if you agree, why did you make it different? :D |
| 08:57.08 | foxlit | the actual semantics are "Load the build specified by the configuration over here." |
| 08:57.44 | foxlit | so it ends up dutifylly translating that to casc.open{base="...", bkey="...", cdn="...", ckey="..."}, which includes a CDN fallback for the stuff your local data doesn't have a copy of yet. |
| 08:57.46 | nevcairiel | so if i want local data to be used, i absolutely have to pass "base" ? |
| 08:59.03 | foxlit | unfortunately for Semlar, it trips over its own nose and fails to find the local indices, which results in *everything* being classified as stuff your local data doesn't have a copy of yet. |
| 08:59.07 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 08:59.27 | foxlit | nevcairiel: it's missing from the docs, but you can add cdn=false to the additional keys to kill the CDN fallback. |
| 08:59.40 | nevcairiel | but what if i want fallback, but prefer local data |
| 08:59.56 | nevcairiel | how do i need to call it then? :) |
| 09:00.30 | foxlit | .open("localWoW") should work like that. |
| 09:00.42 | nevcairiel | isnt that what Semlar called |
| 09:01.27 | foxlit | emphasis on should; there's a bug in how file enumeration works if you don't have LuaFileSystem. |
| 09:01.36 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 09:03.45 | nevcairiel | at least you switched to lfs, which i could install on windows |
| 09:07.00 | Simca | personally i've never used local data; everything i extract is streamed or gotten from a fragment cache created from previously streamed data |
| 09:07.22 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.51 | Simca | unless you're extracting huge portions of the game and as long as your connection is good, the time difference is actually fairly minor |
| 09:10.41 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:27.23 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.36 | karl_w_w | Shirik, that's actually the exact reason I found a way to make cmd always open with admin rights |
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| 09:51.13 | DJJeff | panda has no home city so we can not do |
| 09:51.14 | DJJeff | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=14166/the-grateful-dead |
| 09:53.15 | nevcairiel | you can do it in shattrath or dalaran as panda |
| 09:56.00 | DJJeff | ah |
| 10:01.49 | DJJeff | found the npc for the milk |
| 10:01.50 | DJJeff | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=19182 |
| 10:02.05 | nevcairiel | the milk is sold like everywhere |
| 10:03.06 | DJJeff | and the flour too |
| 10:03.07 | DJJeff | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=19195 |
| 10:03.25 | DJJeff | stupid travlers tundra mount should sell these |
| 10:03.31 | DJJeff | paid 16k for it |
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| 10:14.50 | Shirik | "Instead, the feather began rotating when the rocket-powered vehicle was traveling at Mach 1, he said, using a technical term for the speed of sound at a given altitude." |
| 10:15.17 | Shirik | is the term "mach 1" seriously that jargon that we call it a "technical term"? |
| 10:15.33 | doub_ | yes |
| 10:15.50 | Neffi | I don't think so, but meh |
| 10:16.08 | doub_ | it's useless in everyday life |
| 10:16.30 | Neffi | that doesn't really qualify it as a technical term, I don't think |
| 10:17.54 | doub_ | no, it's a technical term because of its meaning, and because it's not yet been promoted to a common term |
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| 11:10.32 | karl_w_w | tell that to Gillette |
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| 11:53.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's common that it means "very fast" but not common knowledge that it's an actual measurement |
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| 13:50.40 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, good morning. |
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| 14:19.06 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:19.17 | Fisker | if only somebody like for example jnwhiteh was here to ban tz |
| 14:19.41 | mitch0 | tz? |
| 14:20.10 | Fisker | Yes mitch0 |
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| 14:21.09 | mitch0 | I'd rather ban DST changes |
| 14:21.23 | mitch0 | timezones are okayish |
| 14:22.52 | Fisker | Also known as the person with the nick "tz" who keeps timing out |
| 14:23.50 | Maldivia | go join/part/quit filter :) |
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| 14:27.19 | mitch0 | Fisker: ^ |
| 14:27.27 | Fisker | :? |
| 14:27.28 | mitch0 | l2p issue, really |
| 14:27.32 | Fisker | not really |
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| 15:37.38 | Maldivia | but it was better on helium |
| 15:37.41 | Cairenn | The joke was good too, but the song, omg |
| 15:37.53 | Maldivia | Cairenn: you understood the joke? |
| 15:38.03 | Cairenn | english sub titles |
| 15:38.21 | Maldivia | ohh, missed that |
| 15:38.33 | Cairenn | :) |
| 15:38.44 | Maldivia | well, that wasn't the joke |
| 15:38.54 | Cairenn | no |
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| 15:38.59 | Cairenn | but yes |
| 15:41.40 | Maldivia | the joke was: what does dracula use to paddle with? blood veins (åre = oar, blod åre = vein (or how ever it's spelled in Norwegian)) |
| 15:42.09 | Fisker | There's a Cairenn |
| 15:42.38 | Cairenn | Hey |
| 15:42.44 | Fisker | hey |
| 15:42.44 | Cairenn | When's your flight Fisker? |
| 15:42.58 | Fisker | Wednesday morning |
| 15:43.05 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 15:43.53 | Cairenn | I fly out tomorrow instead of Wednesday this year, so I'm a bit mixed up on when everyone else should be heading out too |
| 15:44.05 | Cairenn | I keep forgetting that |
| 15:44.15 | Fisker | :P |
| 15:46.06 | Maldivia | oh yeah, Blizcon is this weekend |
| 15:46.11 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 15:46.23 | Maldivia | hope you all have great fun :) |
| 15:47.29 | Cairenn | It'd be even more fun if you (and indeed everyone in the channel) could be ther |
| 15:47.32 | Cairenn | e |
| 15:47.50 | Cairenn | Can you imagine if the entire freaking bunch of us was there at the same time? |
| 15:48.31 | Alram | but Fisker would be there |
| 15:48.35 | Cairenn | We'd have to rent the entire freaking restaurant (or damn near) for our Thursday night dinner |
| 15:48.42 | Cairenn | He's going to be there this year :) |
| 15:48.51 | Alram | That's right. Damn. |
| 15:49.02 | Cairenn | Bah |
| 15:49.20 | Cairenn | I love our resident troll |
| 15:49.42 | Ressy | heh |
| 15:49.56 | Constie | I want to go to BlizzCon. I could get Ressy's autograph. |
| 15:49.57 | Ressy | I can't wait to meet everyone. :) |
| 15:50.08 | Ressy | Constie.. You're weird. :P |
| 15:50.10 | Cairenn | Looking forward to it! |
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| 15:51.54 | Cairenn | Ressy, you're signed up for the dinner, right? |
| 15:51.57 | Ressy | yup |
| 15:51.59 | Cairenn | kk |
| 15:52.01 | Ressy | resa1983 |
| 15:52.09 | Cairenn | Thought so, making sure |
| 15:52.33 | Cairenn | Just a reminder guys - I can get real hugs this year, and I wants 'em! |
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| 15:53.03 | Cairenn | No stupid face shield this year |
| 15:54.25 | Cairenn | (although I may still wear it on the plane - first time ever I came home without con crud!) |
| 15:54.37 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:55.10 | Cairenn | seriously, it isn't the con itself that makes you sick, it's the flights that do it |
| 15:55.25 | Torhal | I thought it was Bubba Gump's. |
| 15:56.28 | Cairenn | yeah, well, there's a reason we're going to PF Chang's again this year |
| 15:56.44 | Ressy | ? |
| 15:57.09 | Cairenn | 2 years ago, about a third of the dinner guests got food poisoning |
| 15:57.37 | Cairenn | at bubba gumps |
| 15:57.39 | Ressy | oh shit |
| 15:57.45 | Cairenn | don't have their 'bucket of boat trash' |
| 15:57.54 | Ressy | < allergic to sea food |
| 15:58.05 | Ressy | so thankfully no problems there |
| 15:58.21 | Cairenn | unless it's parts-per-million - they have other options |
| 15:58.30 | Cairenn | but yeah |
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| 16:06.14 | Torhal | All I can say about this is "Uh...okaaaaaay..." http://imgur.com/gallery/CFc749D |
| 16:06.30 | Cairenn | hahhaa |
| 16:08.52 | Arrowmaster | llol |
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| 16:12.24 | Arrowmaster | this is going to be interesting, my flight leaves at 7am wednesday but i have plans to be out late tuesday night |
| 16:13.05 | Cairenn | just stay up ;) |
| 16:13.33 | Cairenn | it's what I end up doing most of the time :p |
| 16:13.56 | Constie | Stay up until you wake up erryday. |
| 16:14.52 | karl_w_w | sleeping on planes: great time efficiency |
| 16:15.00 | Cairenn | yup |
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| 16:17.21 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/zCWL9h2 |
| 16:17.37 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/RuhlfSQ |
| 16:18.26 | Ressy | lawlz @ the first one mikma |
| 16:19.04 | Constie | I feel like the second one should be an intelligent design comic. |
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| 16:49.02 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay RaidBuffStatus gets an update!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:49.09 | DJJeff | no more taint.... |
| 16:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snark* |
| 16:51.34 | Stanzilla | Simca: auto safari hat shows the red "you dont have the buff line" even in other player's pet's tooltips :E |
| 16:54.15 | Cairenn | *giggles at Lopeppeppy* |
| 16:54.30 | Cairenn | hey Lopeppeppy? |
| 16:54.49 | Cairenn | I miss you |
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| 16:55.05 | DJJeff | Heroes of the storm feels alot like DotA and league of legends |
| 16:55.14 | Fisker | I miss Lopeppeppy too |
| 16:55.20 | Fisker | We should almost fly her to blizzcon |
| 16:55.25 | DJJeff | oh wow blizzard made a MOBA game |
| 16:55.38 | Fisker | What year is this? |
| 16:55.43 | DJJeff | almost fly? you do or do not |
| 16:55.45 | Dagmar | The only thing left to do is wait for Zynga to make a MOBA just to demonstrate that the format is overplayed. |
| 16:55.49 | fewyn | virgin america no longer flys out of dfw and moved to love field? why didn't they email me about this? |
| 16:56.14 | Dagmar | They can call it ClickFightVille |
| 16:57.19 | karl_w_w | it's not very good DJJeff |
| 16:59.31 | foxlit | Semlar: http://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/files/luacasc-1.3.1.zip + http://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/files/lua52-m.exe |
| 16:59.33 | DJJeff | I went to a tech expo yesterday put my name into a contest and won myself a Galaxy Tab S 10.5 tablet |
| 16:59.46 | foxlit | and the binary is clearly not rm -fr / in disguise. |
| 16:59.47 | Cairenn | \o/ |
| 16:59.53 | DJJeff | in a great mood today ;-) |
| 16:59.57 | Ressy | nice.. grats DJJeff |
| 17:00.08 | Semlar | thanks foxlit |
| 17:00.27 | Semlar | although i can't download the exe |
| 17:00.29 | DJJeff | foxlit it was the remote root exploit that locally did rm -rf / |
| 17:00.36 | DJJeff | that made me laugh and piss my pants |
| 17:01.33 | DJJeff | I found out its a great tablet with LTE but its locked down to TELUS |
| 17:01.50 | DJJeff | I will probley only use it as WIFI cause TELUS sucks |
| 17:04.39 | DJJeff | good for things like having IRC chat on it while streaming on twitch.tv |
| 17:06.02 | foxlit | Semlar: should be able to now; scp clones permissions from a place where they don't actually exist. |
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| 17:06.34 | Semlar | it's all good |
| 17:06.55 | Semlar | now hopefully this doesn't just delete all my files |
| 17:07.17 | DJJeff | could this addon get a TOC bump because it still works? |
| 17:07.18 | DJJeff | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/dbm-spelltimers/ |
| 17:07.29 | DJJeff | pretty please with cherries and whip cream |
| 17:08.02 | [TOM_RUS] | DJJeff, use svn, it has updated toc |
| 17:08.46 | DJJeff | does it? |
| 17:08.58 | DJJeff | I just use curse client to update my addons |
| 17:09.06 | DJJeff | I have everything set to alpha builds |
| 17:09.37 | [TOM_RUS] | svn://svn.deadlybossmods.com/dbm4-spelltimers |
| 17:09.46 | foxlit | can't you just check load out of date addons and move on with your life? |
| 17:10.01 | Torhal | MysticalOS: ^ |
| 17:10.16 | DJJeff | I have hundreds of addons and lots of them are out of date |
| 17:10.24 | DJJeff | I would rather not go that route |
| 17:10.29 | Semlar | you could update its toc yourself |
| 17:10.44 | Torhal | That's what everyone here does. If it's out of date AND not working...delete it. |
| 17:10.58 | DJJeff | but it is still working |
| 17:11.06 | DJJeff | just inactive on updates |
| 17:11.08 | Torhal | So just "Load out of date AddOns" |
| 17:11.18 | Semlar | just open the toc file and change 50400 to 60000 |
| 17:11.44 | Semlar | or load out of date addons and don't check a bunch of addons you don't want to load |
| 17:12.01 | Torhal | Or delete those! |
| 17:12.09 | Torhal | baleets pompy. |
| 17:12.44 | Semlar | i should really clean up my addons folder |
| 17:13.01 | Torhal | You mean, get rid of all the stuff you're never going to release? |
| 17:13.06 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 17:13.10 | DJJeff | im just picky cause now curse client says its modified and only r100 when its really r102 |
| 17:13.10 | Torhal | >.> |
| 17:13.28 | Torhal | So don't alter the ToC and just load out of date... |
| 17:13.29 | DJJeff | so my complaint is more related to curse client related |
| 17:14.58 | DJJeff | its just strange that its updated on the site but not uploaded to curse |
| 17:15.20 | DJJeff | oh DBM even has its own updater client? |
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| 17:19.32 | fewyn | glad i stopped using dbm |
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| 17:21.47 | DJJeff | people switched to bigwigs? |
| 17:22.23 | DJJeff | I like the spelltimers part because it gives timers for stuff like mage portals |
| 17:22.34 | DJJeff | and timers for LFG dungeon queues |
| 17:22.49 | DJJeff | so you can wait till the last second before hitting the enter dungeon button |
| 17:24.20 | Funkeh` | DJJeff, yeah which was copied from the original http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/big-wigs_common-auras :p |
| 17:24.54 | foxlit | Semlar: you'll still need external curl to handle CDN fallbacks, but the rest of the dependencies should be handled by that binary. |
| 17:24.57 | nevcairiel | i get queue times without common auras |
| 17:25.19 | Funkeh` | talking about mage portals |
| 17:25.41 | nevcairiel | foxlit: should just have included lua socket |
| 17:25.50 | Funkeh` | queue timers are part of the core of both addons |
| 17:26.45 | foxlit | nevcairiel: has too many .lua implementations; you'd have to download more than one file and stick them in the right places. |
| 17:26.55 | nevcairiel | ohw ell |
| 17:28.01 | foxlit | plus curl is easy: http://curl.haxx.se/download.html#Win64 |
| 17:28.11 | nevcairiel | on windows the right place is just where the lua binary lives, so could make it a zip file |
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| 17:44.39 | Semlar | foxlit: http://pastebin.com/b5f1Cfse |
| 17:45.04 | DJJeff | Funkeh` are you saying alot of DBM is copied from bigwigs? |
| 17:45.11 | foxlit | heh, self-inflicted problems. I should've compiled with compatibility flags |
| 17:45.20 | Semlar | it's not that big of a deal, i did get it working with another version of lua it just takes a little while to actually load |
| 17:45.20 | DJJeff | or are you saying bigwigs is better |
| 17:45.22 | nevcairiel | thats why my binaries are still 5.1 |
| 17:45.29 | foxlit | Semlar: loadstring = load at the top of your script |
| 17:46.32 | Semlar | did they rename loadstring or something |
| 17:46.38 | foxlit | yes. |
| 17:46.45 | Semlar | interesting |
| 17:46.56 | Semlar | well it works now |
| 17:47.52 | Semlar | it's down to about 9 seconds so that's an improvement |
| 17:48.26 | Semlar | judging by how long people were saying it took to load with C that's not bad |
| 17:48.41 | foxlit | paste your code somewhere? |
| 17:48.58 | Semlar | 9 seconds just to do local handle, err = casc.open('C:\\World of Warcraft', {verifyHashes=false}) |
| 17:49.03 | nevcairiel | i wonder if its faster for me now, after local access is fixed |
| 17:49.48 | Semlar | it took 45 seconds when i was using the other lua binary |
| 17:49.54 | Semlar | and that was a little out of hand |
| 17:50.30 | nevcairiel | wonder if there is something to gain by providing a binary md5 thing |
| 17:51.11 | nevcairiel | or i should disable hash t hing in general |
| 17:52.08 | Semlar | the rest of my script executes in about 0.05 seconds, so basically nothing compared to the actual loading of the files |
| 17:52.39 | Semlar | at least for now, it'll take a lot longer when i finish converting this from python |
| 17:53.18 | nevcairiel | was verifyhashes broken or not available in previous versions? i swear i never turned it off before, and with it on it takes much longer now |
| 17:53.22 | foxlit | is there a time equivalent on windows? |
| 17:53.44 | Semlar | there's os.time() and os.clock() |
| 17:53.59 | Semlar | if you mean like the exe, i don't know |
| 17:55.05 | foxlit | Semlar: add cdn=false to that table. |
| 17:56.29 | Semlar | where do you mean |
| 17:56.39 | foxlit | {verifyHashes=false, cdn=false}) |
| 17:56.46 | Semlar | ah |
| 17:57.14 | Semlar | yeah that takes it down to 4.7 seconds |
| 17:58.32 | foxlit | nevcairiel: generally, yes -- MD5 in C is measurably faster. Not you particularly need hash verification. |
| 17:59.15 | Semlar | it's a lot more palatable this way |
| 17:59.17 | foxlit | it was added in 1.3, and is disabled if you're using the old .open syntax. |
| 17:59.24 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 17:59.28 | nevcairiel | thats why it got slower |
| 18:01.40 | Semlar | what does it check on the cdn |
| 18:02.40 | foxlit | with the md5 module, it's generally fast enough to leave on for me, but then again, I'm primarily interested in it as a sanity check for things going horribly wrong in the library. |
| 18:04.04 | nevcairiel | does it only use it for the verify? |
| 18:05.19 | foxlit | yes. |
| 18:05.27 | foxlit | Semlar: it's just a lot of local file IO on tiny files. |
| 18:06.13 | Semlar | yeah i figured there's only so much you can do to speed that up |
| 18:07.23 | foxlit | if cdn is enabled, it has to build an index of what's accessible via the CDN, which means reading the ~250 index files. |
| 18:11.44 | Simca | Stanzilla: yeah that was kind of intended |
| 18:11.59 | Simca | I guess I'll restrict it to wild pets though |
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| 18:13.25 | foxlit | archive-group is probably a way to work around it, but meh, it's probably not that interesting of a use case to optimize. |
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| 18:13.51 | Simca | not sure how to even pull archive-group from the cdn |
| 18:14.10 | Simca | i guess it must be in one of the archives |
| 18:14.18 | Simca | so you'd have to parse the indexes to find it |
| 18:14.58 | foxlit | that'd be one hilarious joke. |
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| 18:15.43 | foxlit | on the bright side, I found patch-archives. |
| 18:16.01 | Simca | good, i saw your query and thought it was odd |
| 18:16.12 | Simca | they patch like 23k files atm |
| 18:16.16 | Simca | not just 3 |
| 18:17.13 | DJJeff | is DBM run by toptenhammer the same group that did playerscore? |
| 18:17.44 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 18:17.53 | nevcairiel | also its called tentonhammer |
| 18:18.13 | Thunder_Child | I thought that was a game company |
| 18:18.54 | Thunder_Child | oh, tentonstudio. |
| 18:19.02 | nevcairiel | they are a wannabe multigame website thing, but noone goes there |
| 18:19.10 | mikma | http://www.germanremixgroup.de/content/2014/10/out-now-a-tribute-to-rob-hubbard-2/ |
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| 18:34.53 | mikma | http://youtu.be/UBavezxMw3M?t=2m18s |
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| 18:44.00 | Constie | If I remember right Ten Ton Hammer used to be one of the big WoW sites, long ago. |
| 18:45.52 | zenzelezz | I remember that for some time I kept reading it as "tenton hammer" |
| 18:46.16 | Thunder_Child | 'teton hammer' |
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| 18:49.43 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: that means tittie hammer in french |
| 18:50.11 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: Yes. Hence the amusment at the 'Grand Tetons' |
| 18:55.39 | DJJeff | this addon has the best error |
| 18:55.40 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/ensidiafails |
| 18:55.56 | DJJeff | it says that my version is newer than my own so it disables itself |
| 18:57.07 | mikma | fail addon |
| 18:57.29 | Constie | Seems fitting. |
| 18:58.15 | Arrowmaster | interesting http://www.isidewith.com/ |
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| 19:05.52 | nevcairiel | we've had such a thing for the last couple years |
| 19:06.03 | nevcairiel | helps the less politically inclined |
| 19:06.52 | DJJeff | a fail addon fails at being an addon |
| 19:06.59 | DJJeff | oh wow I just got that joke |
| 19:07.05 | DJJeff | I am slow in the brain |
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| 19:09.37 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/JJSSIbY.jpg |
| 19:09.40 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: we have a local one that gives comparisons of the candidates for different offices but unfortunately due to the flawed first past the post voting methods used predominantly in the US my voting strategy is to just vote for who can defeat the republican candidate |
| 19:09.43 | nevcairiel | and doing the US voting thing for fun, apparently i'm a democrat |
| 19:10.05 | DJJeff | MysticalOS: http://i.imgur.com/JJSSIbY.jpg |
| 19:10.32 | foxlit | nevcairiel: sampling from {democrat, repulibcan}? |
| 19:10.57 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 19:11.08 | nevcairiel | do they have any more? |
| 19:11.17 | nevcairiel | there was a green party listed in one case as wel |
| 19:11.19 | nevcairiel | +l |
| 19:11.23 | Arrowmaster | yes but they have no chance of winning any major seat |
| 19:11.59 | nevcairiel | also, why do the republicans have an elephant in their logo? |
| 19:12.22 | Arrowmaster | thats their party mascot |
| 19:12.28 | Arrowmaster | donkey is democrats |
| 19:12.32 | Arrowmaster | no fucking clue why |
| 19:13.00 | fewyn | The now-famous Democratic donkey was first associated with Democrat Andrew Jackson's 1828 presidential campaign. His opponents called him a jackass (a donkey), and Jackson decided to use the image of the strong-willed animal on his campaign posters. Later, cartoonist Thomas Nast used the Democratic donkey in newspaper cartoons and made the symbol famous. |
| 19:13.00 | fewyn | Nast invented another famous symbolâthe Republican elephant. In a cartoon that appeared in Harper's Weekly in 1874, Nast drew a donkey clothed in lion's skin, scaring away all the animals at the zoo. One of those animals, the elephant, was labeled âThe Republican Vote.â That's all it took for the elephant to become associated with the Republican Party. |
| 19:13.06 | fewyn | according to http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0881985.html |
| 19:13.38 | nevcairiel | so, one cartoonist did it all |
| 19:15.26 | Kalroth | cursed cartoonists |
| 19:18.45 | Kalroth | so the majority of americans are against increased gun controls, but the vast majority are for an universal background check for gun purchasers |
| 19:22.44 | Thunder_Child | Thoes are not mutually exclusive. |
| 19:22.47 | Thunder_Child | those* |
| 19:24.12 | foxlit | so windows explorer has the same helpful sorting of hexadecimal file names: 655... -> 0696... -> 739.... |
| 19:24.22 | Arrowmaster | when the next revolution comes i like knowing that my eccentric yet mentally sound friends will have armory's of weapons to fight back with |
| 19:25.05 | Kalroth | foxlit: wait what, it sorts files like that? |
| 19:25.11 | nevcairiel | Some rednecks with guns can't stand against a trained military, face it |
| 19:25.32 | Kalroth | Thunder_Child: how so? isn't an univeral background check the same as more gun control? |
| 19:25.56 | Kalroth | or is there already a background check required for all purchases, and it is just not universal? |
| 19:26.19 | Fisker | There is one it just sucks |
| 19:26.21 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.41 | Fisker | And I believe not all guns require it |
| 19:27.07 | Arrowmaster | background checks are not done for sales at gun shows or private sales |
| 19:27.16 | Kalroth | foxlit: it's already happening, Netflix is taking over, cable TV is dying |
| 19:28.07 | foxlit | Kalroth: yes; you could try sorting WoW\Data\indices in explorer. |
| 19:28.22 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth: Use vs acquisition. |
| 19:28.37 | Kalroth | http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16847-the-next-american-revolution-has-already-begun-gar-smith-interviews-gar-alperovitz according to this unbiased and objective website the revolution has already begun |
| 19:29.13 | Kalroth | Thunder_Child: i'm pretty sure adding background checks to gun acquisition falls under gun control |
| 19:29.32 | foxlit | I'm sure it's all very rational |
| 19:30.22 | Kalroth | "This piece was reprinted by Truthout with permission or license. It may not be reproduced in any form without permission or license from the source. " |
| 19:30.23 | Kalroth | what |
| 19:30.32 | Kalroth | how can they even |
| 19:30.48 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.07 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/WLRV4HT |
| 19:32.23 | Kalroth | surely a gun owner can't be a psychopath, it's only those liberal hippies that a mental, maybe if they grew up learning how to use a semi-automatic rifle, they wouldn't waste their life on smoking weed and having god-less sex |
| 19:32.33 | Kalroth | mikma :D |
| 19:33.16 | Kalroth | spins jleclanche around and around |
| 19:33.59 | Simca | and they just deployed 19116 to live |
| 19:34.14 | Simca | probably fixes the C_Timer protected code bug |
| 19:34.20 | Semlar | exploits simca |
| 19:34.26 | Simca | (probably = almost definitely) |
| 19:34.38 | Simca | (since beta is on 19116 and it doesn't work there) |
| 19:38.44 | nevcairiel | if its deployed to live, go test it! |
| 19:38.52 | nevcairiel | hm mine already updated |
| 19:38.55 | nevcairiel | but i'm lazy |
| 19:39.59 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.07 | Simca | if it isn't fixed, you'll be bouncing with joy |
| 19:40.20 | nevcairiel | whats the last number for? |
| 19:40.25 | Simca | iterations |
| 19:40.26 | nevcairiel | repetitions? |
| 19:40.31 | Simca | yeah |
| 19:40.42 | Alram | its not required according to Semlar |
| 19:40.51 | nevcairiel | A macro script has been blocked from an action only availalbe to the Blizzard UI. |
| 19:40.56 | Simca | then fixed |
| 19:41.12 | Semlar | you can just leave off the iterations simca |
| 19:41.14 | Simca | this morning i was bouncing with joy using that same script |
| 19:41.55 | foxlit | hm, so less than a 7-day turnaround time. |
| 19:42.57 | Simca | that's consistent with history |
| 19:43.21 | Simca | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_3.2.0a |
| 19:43.54 | foxlit | two weeks there. |
| 19:44.02 | Simca | yeah |
| 19:44.12 | Simca | to be fair though, that one was harder to exploit |
| 19:44.14 | nevcairiel | they do have the ability to patch the client much quicker these days |
| 19:44.16 | foxlit | though I suppose this is comparing apples to oranges. |
| 19:44.33 | nevcairiel | that was one named goal of casc afterall |
| 19:44.38 | Simca | this one was conveniently a timer itself |
| 19:44.44 | Semlar | they had it fixed on the beta before it went live, i'm not sure how long though |
| 19:44.54 | Semlar | at least a couple days |
| 19:44.56 | nevcairiel | since the last beta build of course |
| 19:45.01 | foxlit | nevcairiel: doesn't really help much when what you need to patch is the binary. |
| 19:45.26 | Simca | they've been good at exe patches for a while - since late Cata |
| 19:46.01 | Simca | builds started happening fast enough at that point that I don't think anyone has bothered to keep track of exe builds |
| 19:46.05 | Simca | maybe kd3 |
| 19:47.11 | Gnarfoz | ~seen karlkfi |
| 19:47.13 | purl | karlkfi <KarlKFI@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe93:14a2> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 227d 1h 16m 22s ago, saying: 'Anyone know how to resolve a git merge from before a dir was converted to a submodule?'. |
| 19:47.18 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 19:47.23 | Gnarfoz | git killed him |
| 19:47.37 | Simca | typical git behavior |
| 19:48.01 | Gnarfoz | he's probably still pondering that question |
| 19:48.08 | Simca | he probably forgot to add the -donotkillme flag to every command |
| 19:48.20 | Torhal | Likely, he merged with airtonix. |
| 19:48.23 | Gnarfoz | stuck in git man pages until the end of time |
| 19:48.41 | Gnarfoz | so airtonix will fix FluidFrames for us? |
| 19:48.46 | Gnarfoz | thank you! |
| 19:49.29 | Torhal | Not likely, if there were improperly-handled merge conflicts. |
| 19:49.42 | Alram | merges Torhal with Fisker |
| 19:49.44 | Gnarfoz | let's just hope the question was not about FluidFrames, then |
| 19:49.59 | Gnarfoz | Alram: Behold... YOUR DOOOOOOOOM |
| 19:50.02 | Torhal | Can't do it, Alram - I'm not on version control. |
| 19:50.07 | Alram | :( |
| 19:50.29 | Gnarfoz | should birth control be considered a form of version control? |
| 19:50.31 | Torhal | attempts to run Alram on a 64-bit processor. |
| 19:50.39 | Alram | 8 bit best |
| 19:51.38 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: lol, the fix to the Chrome clipboard upload thing really was a pair of ()?! |
| 19:52.12 | pompy | what's the wow update today? |
| 19:52.20 | Semlar | hax |
| 19:52.22 | Gnarfoz | scroll up |
| 19:52.41 | Gnarfoz | description is less than 15 minutes back :D |
| 19:55.41 | pompy | danke |
| 19:56.44 | plaw | heh the oceanic realms they go explode |
| 19:56.50 | plaw | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15098470210 |
| 19:57.01 | plaw | all Oceanic realms now showing 'Incompatible' |
| 19:57.16 | plaw | ahaha even funner |
| 19:57.20 | plaw | 'Oceanic players can get on US realms but show Oceanic as incompatible. US players can't get on US realms but can get on Oceanic. ' |
| 19:57.35 | plaw | someone didn't do TZ conversions for downtime or updates? |
| 19:57.37 | foxlit | patching is hard, mmkay? |
| 19:58.24 | Simca | this is typical after a client patch - they don't sync the time that the client patch goes out and the time that the server begins accepting the new build number |
| 19:58.34 | plaw | patch notes are harder! (clearly they missed 'we're moving to UGT for our patching') |
| 19:58.35 | Simca | give it 30 minutes |
| 19:59.32 | plaw | kk. dangit, no ding before work! thx |
| 20:00.42 | foxlit | maybe in a few months they'll figure out the technology to have the server tell the agent that it needs to patch now, rather than relying on osmosis. |
| 20:01.24 | foxlit | and in a few years, have the servers accept old clients for some failover period to make this seamless. |
| 20:02.06 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: aye |
| 20:02.36 | plaw | credit where it's due, though, the streaming patching that they do provide is pretty ace |
| 20:03.01 | plaw | for major updates anyway |
| 20:05.00 | Dagmar | Is it Tuesday already? |
| 20:19.20 | Semlar | can you modify the pattern gmatch is calling while it's iterating |
| 20:20.04 | fewyn | any beardly manly men in here? i'm looking for beard oil suggestions that don't want to make me puke at the smell |
| 20:20.38 | Simca | shaving cream |
| 20:20.43 | fewyn | not happening |
| 20:20.54 | fewyn | i'm growing my beard for a cosplay for next year maybe |
| 20:21.02 | fewyn | also because i want a beard |
| 20:21.15 | mikma | veet |
| 20:28.36 | Dagmar | Just use normal conditioner. |
| 20:28.48 | Dagmar | ...and obviously don't blow-dry your beard. |
| 20:30.33 | fewyn | i don't blowdry my hair |
| 20:30.35 | fewyn | so not an issue |
| 20:30.51 | Dagmar | Condition every day, _keep it combed as straight as you can_. After the first half-inch or so grows out, it'll be all crazy looking because the follicles won't have had any particular direction to them. |
| 20:31.08 | Dagmar | Trim it down a bit and keep groom it. |
| 20:31.11 | Dagmar | er grooming it |
| 20:31.15 | fewyn | i'm about at the 2-3 month stage |
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| 20:31.35 | Dagmar | It'll have grown an inch at least before it starts behaving without careful maintenance. |
| 20:32.01 | fewyn | wanting to go for at least a yeard so we'll see how far i get before i decide to trim it |
| 20:33.11 | Semlar | a yard? |
| 20:33.14 | Dagmar | It will be _very_ hard to keep neat if you don't trim off the crazy bits |
| 20:33.16 | fewyn | yeeeeard |
| 20:33.17 | Semlar | that's ambitious |
| 20:33.27 | Dagmar | You'll only have to trim it 2-3 times, generally. |
| 20:33.30 | fewyn | a yeard is a year long beard without trimming it |
| 20:33.46 | Dagmar | Keeping it all straight makes the follicles actually shift angle under the skin. |
| 20:33.50 | fewyn | or well light trimming tha tis |
| 20:34.02 | Dagmar | It's like how braces work, but without decorating your face with metal. |
| 20:34.34 | Dagmar | I've done a few different configurations over the years, so I've had time to work out thet kinks (no pun intended). |
| 20:34.40 | fewyn | heh |
| 20:34.48 | Dagmar | Probably the worst one for me was a full goatee. |
| 20:35.17 | Dagmar | It made my friends say, "Ah. It's the _evil_ Dagmar." "Wait... _This_ one's the evil one? Oh shit." |
| 20:36.05 | Dagmar | Usually I just let my sideburns go down to my jawline, but I'm going to go back to a friar's beard for November. |
| 20:36.42 | fewyn | i've never actually gotten beyond the itching phase, usually shave it off when it annoys me to no end, but since i've moved to dallas from florida i didn't have that issue |
| 20:36.52 | fewyn | i'm thinking it has to do with the humidity |
| 20:37.32 | Dagmar | Well, conditioning softens it and makes it more flexible. Plus, if you've trimmed off the crazy ends, they won't be curling around and poking you in the chin anymore. |
| 20:37.57 | Dagmar | After the first month or so it'll become _much_ easier to deal with. |
| 20:38.25 | Dagmar | ...and don't let anyone tell you you should not use tweezers to eliminate the diffused parts. |
| 20:38.49 | Dagmar | It's painful, but we're _men_ damnit. Stoicism is our _birthright_. (and it keeps you from having to even look at a razor_ |
| 20:39.06 | Dagmar | You can get a nice clean line by using tweezers. |
| 20:39.13 | fewyn | http://1drv.ms/1rTOe4A |
| 20:39.14 | fewyn | that's me |
| 20:39.27 | fewyn | my phone camera is poo |
| 20:39.57 | Dagmar | Wow man |
| 20:40.07 | Arrowmaster | i can only ever get mine to about 3 inches max then it starts getting really tangled again and starts falling out when i scratch at the constant itches |
| 20:40.09 | Dagmar | With the way your mustache area grows you could do a serious fu manchu. :) |
| 20:40.20 | fewyn | fu manchu? |
| 20:40.27 | Dagmar | Think evil asian overlord. |
| 20:40.41 | fewyn | lol |
| 20:40.46 | Ironii | all you need to do is shave your head |
| 20:40.52 | Ironii | 5/5 after that |
| 20:41.03 | Dagmar | http://www.worldofwigs.com/images/costume/Fu%20Manchu%20Set-210x.jpg |
| 20:41.04 | g0urra | Arrowmaster: /r/outofcontext |
| 20:41.14 | fewyn | lol |
| 20:41.17 | Dagmar | Shaving the head is a real bitch the first time |
| 20:41.36 | Arrowmaster | g0urra: wouldnt be the worst thing ive posted on reddit this weekend |
| 20:41.43 | Dagmar | The scalp will feel all crazy and weird for a couple weeks |
| 20:41.47 | fewyn | the end goal of said beard is to cosplay next year as a dwarf but who knows if that'll happen |
| 20:41.54 | Ironii | its fine if the guy doing it knows what to do + does it with a knife |
| 20:41.57 | fewyn | i don't feel like i've got the right head shape for shaving my head |
| 20:42.26 | Dagmar | I've got a good head for a shaved pate, but I look straight up like a street thug when I do |
| 20:42.32 | Arrowmaster | fewyn: if you get the beard about and inch long its probably long enough to add extensions too for cosplaying |
| 20:42.52 | fewyn | yeah i've considered that |
| 20:43.07 | fewyn | i want to try to go for a natural beard look we'll see though |
| 20:43.26 | fewyn | need to find a new job first before figuring out the cosplay for next year tho |
| 20:43.31 | Dagmar | You'll probably want to trim the bits just under the corners of your mouth |
| 20:43.40 | Dagmar | That'll give you separation between the mustache and beard. |
| 20:45.36 | fewyn | well if anyone sees me walking around blizzcon feel free to say hi |
| 20:45.39 | fewyn | i should be there |
| 20:45.52 | Semlar | i can't grow a beard for shit |
| 20:46.06 | Dagmar | You just gotta give it time |
| 20:46.11 | Arrowmaster | the complete mess that mine is right now, need to trim it tonight http://imgur.com/ay2hjoD |
| 20:46.17 | Dagmar | They _always_ look like you're just lazy until the hair is like an inch long |
| 20:46.20 | fewyn | yeah i didn't think i could grow one either for awhile Semlar |
| 20:46.31 | fewyn | the itch was the worst part of even considering it |
| 20:46.46 | fewyn | now haven't touched a razor in a couple months... which is nice those things are fucking expensive |
| 20:46.54 | Dagmar | Yeah there's a man who needs a fine-toothed comb and conditioner |
| 20:47.17 | Dagmar | Mine does that exact same stuff unless I regulate on it heavily |
| 20:47.39 | Arrowmaster | im a simple man though |
| 20:47.43 | fewyn | i've been using a comb on mine which seems to help the itch i'm now encountering for some reason tho |
| 20:47.45 | Dagmar | It also helps to trim under chin where beards like to creep down the neck. |
| 20:47.52 | Arrowmaster | i shave that part |
| 20:47.57 | phelps | im rockin mutton chops, don't see those much |
| 20:48.07 | fewyn | speaking of mutton chops |
| 20:48.12 | fewyn | they are doing a Joe Dirt 2 |
| 20:48.28 | Dagmar | My sideburns are just one inch wide all the way down. |
| 20:48.43 | Arrowmaster | ive got a double edge for when i want a close shave on the neck, just been doing the electric for convenience past few times |
| 20:48.47 | Dagmar | It keeps me from lookin' 25. |
| 20:49.13 | Arrowmaster | i wish i looked 25 |
| 20:49.40 | Dagmar | Yeah good luck talking to women your own age when you look 20 years younger than you are |
| 20:49.57 | Dagmar | There's a conversational land-mine just _waiting_ for you. |
| 20:50.06 | fewyn | i can talk to women my own age? |
| 20:50.11 | Dagmar | "Oh... You're _older_ than she is?" |
| 20:50.24 | Dagmar | It only goes downhill from there. |
| 20:50.53 | Arrowmaster | im late 20s seeing ladies that are early 20s |
| 20:50.58 | Dagmar | My gf is 10 years younger than me, and we look the same age. |
| 20:51.20 | Semlar | is that a problem |
| 20:51.27 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 20:51.39 | Dagmar | Yes, because women my age look at me and think "He's just a kid" |
| 20:51.58 | Semlar | yeah but.. get back to the part about dating women 20 years younger than you |
| 20:52.14 | Dagmar | ...and just _try_ explaining that you've got 20+ years of networking experience when it looks like you'd have had to have started when you were 9. |
| 20:52.18 | fewyn | i don't think i want to date a woman 20 years younger than me |
| 20:52.24 | fewyn | i think i might get in trouble |
| 20:52.42 | Dagmar | Yes, becuase they're all fucking crazy until they're about 28. |
| 20:52.49 | Arrowmaster | hey |
| 20:52.51 | Dagmar | ...and some, not even then. |
| 20:52.59 | fewyn | what's wrong with 28 year olds? |
| 20:53.01 | fewyn | >_> |
| 20:53.03 | fewyn | i'm 28! |
| 20:53.08 | Arrowmaster | me too! |
| 20:53.13 | Dagmar | You couldn't _pay_ me to date a 21 year old girl. |
| 20:53.17 | fewyn | oh |
| 20:53.18 | fewyn | me either |
| 20:53.24 | fewyn | well most 21 year olds that is |
| 20:53.25 | Semlar | you can pay me |
| 20:53.28 | Arrowmaster | was....... |
| 20:53.38 | fewyn | my dad was dating a 21 year old a couple years ago |
| 20:53.41 | fewyn | it was super awkward |
| 20:53.53 | Dagmar | I'm sure he enjoyed holding her head over the toilet. |
| 20:54.05 | fewyn | it might have been the other way around at that point |
| 20:54.39 | Arrowmaster | went with a 21yo to a hustler store saturday to buy a halloween party costume and other stuff |
| 20:54.57 | fewyn | "other stuff" |
| 20:55.07 | Dagmar | Yeah, the other 80% of their business. |
| 20:57.34 | foxlit | hm, there must be an insert/overwrite toggle in this editor somewhere. |
| 20:58.29 | Dagmar | It's not the INS key? |
| 20:58.52 | foxlit | I have no INS key. |
| 20:59.05 | Dagmar | ...then you may have a problem. |
| 20:59.15 | Semlar | simulate it! |
| 20:59.58 | Semlar | maybe the onscreen keyboard has one |
| 21:15.31 | fewyn | rip in peace beta realms |
| 21:15.39 | fewyn | until we meet again |
| 21:16.12 | nevcairiel | you do know that the i and p in rip already mean "in peace", right? :) |
| 21:16.37 | Semlar | ras syndrome nevcairiel |
| 21:17.10 | nevcairiel | also, isnt it still a few hours until the realms go down? EU closing event is only in 45 minutes |
| 21:18.28 | Dagmar | The US realms already restarted once today |
| 21:20.27 | fewyn | i do it on purpose nevcairiel =p |
| 21:20.31 | fewyn | it annoys people |
| 21:20.38 | nevcairiel | it makes you look dumb |
| 21:20.39 | nevcairiel | there! |
| 21:20.49 | fewyn | thanks |
| 21:20.51 | fewyn | :D |
| 21:28.54 | Thunder_Child | There is a circle of hell reserved for people like you fewyn. |
| 21:29.04 | fewyn | i know it! |
| 21:29.14 | Constie | look for all intensive purposes I could care less, you should of noticed how rediculous that was so irregardless its a mute point, per say |
| 21:29.17 | fewyn | i think i have a vip seat |
| 21:29.34 | nevcairiel | ~lart Constie |
| 21:29.34 | purl | DoSes Constie |
| 21:29.59 | fewyn | ~hi5 Constie |
| 21:30.09 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: I think what Constie is ban worthy. |
| 21:30.26 | Thunder_Child | s/is/did is/ |
| 21:32.06 | Kesava | kd3: confirmation :D |
| 21:32.14 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:32.15 | Kesava | (also what is going on with the weather) |
| 21:32.33 | kd3 | I don't see anything odd, but then, if I fly 10 feet away half the players phase out |
| 21:32.40 | Kesava | yees |
| 21:34.55 | phelps | did 19116 fix C_Timer taint ? |
| 21:35.08 | nevcairiel | it introduced C_Timer taint, if thats what you want :p |
| 21:35.15 | kd3 | ok, now the sky's changed |
| 21:35.25 | phelps | alright, kinda figured thats what it was for |
| 21:35.35 | nevcairiel | probably fixed a number of other things |
| 21:35.39 | phelps | bummer, fun while it lasted |
| 21:35.40 | nevcairiel | for one the mac fps thing |
| 21:36.23 | nevcairiel | something going on on the beta already? |
| 21:37.00 | kd3 | not yet, 25 more minutes |
| 21:38.27 | Kesava | although they are saying "N.U.K.U.L.A.R launch detected" in system. |
| 21:38.32 | Kesava | and changing the sky. |
| 21:38.42 | fewyn | according to twittwer the sky is different |
| 21:39.03 | nevcairiel | a nukular explosion would change the sky |
| 21:39.11 | kd3 | someone dropped a totem that changed it for a few minutes |
| 21:39.13 | Kesava | quite |
| 21:39.28 | fewyn | which realm is everyone on anyways |
| 21:39.33 | nevcairiel | ah right isnt there a weather control toy |
| 21:39.41 | kd3 | I'm on 01 in SW |
| 21:39.42 | nevcairiel | i'll be on leveling 01 |
| 21:40.42 | phelps | i still get 30 fps in mac vs 100+ fps in windows, on the same hardware |
| 21:41.00 | phelps | and about half a second of input lag |
| 21:41.15 | nevcairiel | everyone knows that mac sucks, but it probably was like 10 fps before todays patch that fixed the 6.0.3 regression :p |
| 21:41.45 | phelps | yeah, haven't even tested until now |
| 21:42.54 | jnwhiteh | wah |
| 21:42.55 | jnwhiteh | so much work to do |
| 21:43.23 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: want some more? i keep getting an error with tomtom =) |
| 21:43.32 | jnwhiteh | doesn't surprise me |
| 21:43.39 | jnwhiteh | won't be able to look at it until wednesday maybe |
| 21:43.41 | jnwhiteh | depends |
| 21:43.49 | jnwhiteh | i have like 10 days to finish all of my phd thesis corrections |
| 21:43.59 | nevcairiel | its easy to reproduce, just die, the corpse arrow errors usually |
| 21:44.04 | jnwhiteh | then i'm off to San Francisco |
| 21:44.05 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 21:44.07 | jnwhiteh | disable that plugin =) |
| 21:44.14 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 21:44.16 | nevcairiel | but i like it! |
| 21:44.17 | jnwhiteh | that should be an easy fix |
| 21:44.20 | jnwhiteh | I just haven't looked at it |
| 21:44.22 | jnwhiteh | should be a quick fix |
| 21:44.53 | nevcairiel | Esamynn|Away seems to be equally busy, havent seen him active once here so that i could whine at him to fix astrolabe |
| 21:45.18 | jnwhiteh | yeah he's absent |
| 21:45.21 | jnwhiteh | i can relate |
| 21:48.45 | fewyn | the way people disappear a few feet away after so many people ingame |
| 21:48.52 | fewyn | is kinda funny |
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| 21:53.39 | nevcairiel | stormwind sure is lagging |
| 21:54.53 | nevcairiel | i wish the GMs would first dismount everyone, fucking giant flying mounts everywhere |
| 21:56.15 | nevcairiel | haha gastropods |
| 21:56.32 | kd3 | wow the lag |
| 21:57.05 | Kesava | yup |
| 21:57.38 | fewyn | haha gastropods |
| 21:58.03 | Constie | Now I wish I had gotten around to getting beta access. |
| 21:58.31 | Kesava | well the server's -were- doing alright. |
| 21:59.10 | nevcairiel | i did and resurrecting is like impossible |
| 21:59.18 | nevcairiel | died* |
| 21:59.53 | fewyn | let's see how long it takes for the ressurect to go throuygh |
| 22:00.22 | nevcairiel | it takes like two minutes after going somewhere for people to spawn there already |
| 22:01.39 | kd3 | and disconnected |
| 22:01.39 | fewyn | anddddd kicked |
| 22:01.42 | kd3 | bet EK just crashed |
| 22:01.42 | fewyn | to character select |
| 22:01.42 | Kesava | woo. |
| 22:01.44 | fewyn | lol |
| 22:01.53 | fewyn | that was fun while it lasted |
| 22:02.03 | Kesava | looks like org is dead too |
| 22:02.39 | sb | watching a stream with lots of huolon in org |
| 22:02.40 | zenzelezz | reminds me of when they opened the AQ gates |
| 22:02.52 | fewyn | those were the days zenzelezz |
| 22:02.53 | nevcairiel | i came out in the shrine, still dead |
| 22:03.11 | nevcairiel | corpse nowhere to bne seen :D |
| 22:04.58 | fewyn | i'm stuck on the loading screen |
| 22:05.03 | Kesava | sort of predictable |
| 22:07.05 | nevcairiel | i live! |
| 22:07.10 | fewyn | oh hey there i am |
| 22:08.20 | kd3 | still retrieving character list |
| 22:11.07 | Gethe | iron stars in Org |
| 22:11.19 | nevcairiel | its funny how some people are like "more action on leveling 2" in the hope people go there :p |
| 22:12.04 | kd3 | including QA folks. "Spread out between the realms, we're on both Leveling 1 & 2. 1 currently has 5x the number of people and is suffering :P" |
| 22:12.30 | nevcairiel | do i even have a char on 2 |
| 22:12.41 | kd3 | create a template, you'll spawn in sw/org |
| 22:12.43 | fewyn | that's because people want to be where eeryone else is |
| 22:12.51 | nevcairiel | i cant even logout from all the lag |
| 22:13.25 | Kesava | ... oondasta outside SW now on 2 now. |
| 22:13.34 | Kesava | lots of oondastas. |
| 22:13.48 | nevcairiel | trying to log into 2 now, i actually had a char there |
| 22:15.18 | Gethe | Drov the Ruiner on 2 |
| 22:15.42 | Simca | oh dude |
| 22:15.49 | Simca | lemme know if he drops personal loot when you kill him |
| 22:15.53 | Simca | or if it goes to your inventory |
| 22:15.54 | Simca | lol |
| 22:16.38 | nevcairiel | baine bloodhof is in SW on 2 o.o |
| 22:16.41 | nevcairiel | +o |
| 22:16.57 | nevcairiel | and a nacked gnome GM |
| 22:17.28 | Semlar | i can't log off so |
| 22:17.36 | Kesava | oh, i won amulet of titanorex. |
| 22:17.52 | nevcairiel | i got a shiny pile of refuse |
| 22:19.08 | nevcairiel | this oondasta sure was huge though |
| 22:20.54 | Gethe | all the world bosses |
| 22:21.14 | nevcairiel | all the faction bosses |
| 22:21.30 | nevcairiel | a bunch of baines, some varians, some sylvanas |
| 22:21.44 | nevcairiel | and some fucking oondastas still aoeing everyone to death :P |
| 22:22.17 | nevcairiel | ... and a bunch of kazzaks |
| 22:22.20 | nevcairiel | a whole bunch |
| 22:24.00 | Kesava | i like how baine's model is a female nelf. |
| 22:24.06 | Kesava | with pig tails. |
| 22:24.08 | nevcairiel | without textures |
| 22:25.01 | foxlit | ls |
| 22:25.09 | foxlit | hey, you're not the terminal. |
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| 22:31.01 | Thunder_Child | ls'ing this channel would be such a bad idea. |
| 22:31.35 | Hazal | Hey guys. What's one of the best/simplest ways to do execute some code every X seconds? |
| 22:31.50 | nevcairiel | C_Timter.After(time, function) |
| 22:31.54 | nevcairiel | C_Timer* |
| 22:31.56 | Semlar | newticker |
| 22:32.31 | kd3 | doing it more than once? use NewTicker http://wowpedia.org/API_C_Timer.NewTicker |
| 22:32.38 | Hazal | Repeating timer |
| 22:32.57 | nevcairiel | why does everyone recommend the higher overhead new ticker, after is the actual timer function :p |
| 22:33.00 | Hazal | Thanks for the help guys. You're always so good at giving quick good anwsers :D |
| 22:33.13 | Semlar | because this is exactly what the ticker is for? |
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| 22:33.28 | Sinopsis | is it possible to get pet tracking information from the minimap (or other method) |
| 22:33.37 | Torhal | phelps, nevcairiel: I get anywhere between 80-150+ FPS on a Mac. |
| 22:33.48 | nevcairiel | scheduling it again in your callback is much more efficient than NewTicker |
| 22:34.03 | Semlar | ORLY |
| 22:34.06 | phelps | Torhal, :/ specs ? |
| 22:34.40 | phelps | GTX 650 Ti Boost / i7, 30 fps in org, crippled in raids |
| 22:34.51 | Torhal | phelps: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nvnu30svkwwcsdb/Screenshot%202014-11-03%2016.34.42.png?dl=0 |
| 22:34.52 | phelps | as high as the gfx go |
| 22:34.55 | Semlar | why would it be more efficient to manually reschedule the timer every time it finishes than using the function that's supposed to do it for you |
| 22:35.27 | Torhal | I got around 90FPS on my Mid-2010 iMac. |
| 22:35.34 | phelps | on ultra ? |
| 22:35.47 | Torhal | 1GB video RAM, same system RAM, i7 CPU |
| 22:35.51 | Torhal | Yes, on ultra. |
| 22:35.55 | phelps | if I lower the gfx I can get decent FPS, but comparing ultra to ultra, windows wins for me |
| 22:36.21 | phelps | maybe Yos has some changes that improve it some |
| 22:36.35 | nevcairiel | Semlar: it does a bunch of extra checks and at the very least adds the overhead of having another table and a function call, if you just need a simple repeating thing, there is just no need for it, unless you're super lazy :p |
| 22:36.42 | Torhal | Nah, had the same performance on Mavericks and Mountain Lion. |
| 22:36.51 | Semlar | but i am super lazy nevcairiel |
| 22:36.53 | Torhal | Well, I never had Mountain Lion on this machine, but still. |
| 22:37.01 | Torhal | The older iMac did just fine. |
| 22:37.10 | phelps | i guess its just because its a hackintosh then |
| 22:37.27 | phelps | even tho the 650 is supported without any hacking stuff |
| 22:37.30 | Torhal | Probably so - drivers aren't quite pushing what they could be with the actual hardware. |
| 22:37.56 | phelps | I'm not sure if I want to get a 5k iMac or build a PC |
| 22:38.11 | phelps | that 5k is a neat gimmick |
| 22:38.26 | kd3 | 5k is useful for creating 4k content, and that's about it |
| 22:38.50 | phelps | yeah, I could build a pretty beast PC for 2.6k |
| 22:39.48 | phelps | build a PC for 1.6k and get a macbook air to fulfill my mac needs |
| 22:40.05 | Sinopsis | is it possible to get pet tracking information from the minimap (or other method) |
| 22:40.19 | Semlar | i don't know what that means |
| 22:40.23 | phelps | UnitPosition('pet') might work now |
| 22:40.28 | Semlar | it won't |
| 22:40.31 | phelps | darn |
| 22:40.49 | Sinopsis | I'm tired of flying around trying to stare at my map and my minimap |
| 22:40.58 | Semlar | if you're talking about the wild pet icons on the minimap, you can't get their location |
| 22:41.11 | Semlar | you could move your minimap |
| 22:41.12 | Sinopsis | wanted to make a HUD for the capturable battlepets |
| 22:42.27 | Semlar | you could move the minimap to the middle of the screen, scale it up and disable the icons for everything else |
| 22:43.46 | Sinopsis | like what archeology helper did for archeology |
| 22:44.06 | Sinopsis | http://goo.gl/i3DQWr |
| 22:44.49 | Sinopsis | could still do that..but it wouldnt be much use without being able to put the active capturable pets on the screen |
| 22:45.08 | Hazal | If you make the minimap transparent does the icons get transparant with it? |
| 22:45.20 | Semlar | no, you can disable the background of the minimap and keep the icons |
| 22:45.26 | Hazal | Cool :) |
| 22:45.30 | Semlar | if you set its alpha to 0 |
| 22:45.47 | Semlar | what you can't do is have two minimaps on the screen without breaking the icons |
| 22:45.51 | Sinopsis | that's not a bad idea...can i clone the map so that i have 2? |
| 22:46.01 | Hazal | Is there any way to get the distance to a unit while you're in a BG? |
| 22:46.07 | Sinopsis | oopos.. |
| 22:46.07 | Sinopsis | lol..u answered it before i asked haha |
| 22:46.14 | nevcairiel | the game doesnt like two maps |
| 22:46.35 | Semlar | you'd have to hide the original minimap before showing yours |
| 22:46.47 | phelps | Hazal, LibRangeCheck is as good as you'll get |
| 22:46.50 | Semlar | the game really doesn't like you having two different-sized minimaps on screen at once |
| 22:47.03 | Sinopsis | would it be *mine* or would i just be hijacking the original and repositioning/etc |
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| 22:47.24 | Semlar | i would not hijack the original minimap because it would be a lot more difficult to put back than just hiding it and showing yours |
| 22:47.55 | Semlar | there is a hud map for mining that already exists that you can probably just copy |
| 22:48.04 | Semlar | i don't know what it's called |
| 22:48.17 | Sinopsis | k, it gives me a search direction..thx |
| 22:48.29 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/minihugehud or something like it |
| 22:48.54 | Semlar | the one i'm thinking of just had a hotkey you held down to scale up the map and put it in the center |
| 22:49.04 | Semlar | also |
| 22:49.04 | Gethe | farmhud |
| 22:49.16 | Semlar | setting the SIZE of the minimap is different than setting its scale |
| 22:49.31 | Sinopsis | the other thing i'd like to do, but it doesnt look like i'd be able to ...is selectively hide certain icons..forexample, all but a certain pet...or add text to it so it didnt have to be hovered over |
| 22:49.34 | Semlar | if you change the width/height it does not change the size of the icons |
| 22:49.41 | Semlar | if you change the scale it does |
| 22:50.21 | Semlar | you can't do that |
| 22:51.28 | Semlar | i wrote something once that listed out what pets were on the minimap but i'm pretty sure that would be considered an exploit |
| 22:51.36 | Sinopsis | probably wont be that useful then..which is probably why noone has done it yet |
| 22:51.43 | Sinopsis | i never have an original idea lol |
| 22:53.13 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/T0nM1hA.jpg |
| 22:53.45 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/aU5KD1k.jpg |
| 22:53.46 | Sinopsis | what addon is that from |
| 22:54.37 | Semlar | a map i was working on |
| 22:55.00 | Sinopsis | you never finished it? |
| 22:56.26 | Semlar | not really |
| 22:56.28 | Hazal | Why is there radar like things on it? |
| 22:56.30 | fewyn | 30 times killing slabhide is enough for today i think |
| 22:56.36 | Semlar | it's in radar mode |
| 22:56.47 | Sinopsis | u should :) |
| 22:56.52 | Semlar | it had a little sweeper that went around in a circle |
| 22:57.01 | Sinopsis | is it functional? |
| 22:57.12 | Sinopsis | looks very similar to what i was wanting |
| 22:57.18 | Hazal | Semlar you were the one who was making a nameplate addon right. Did you ever get done with that? |
| 22:57.24 | Semlar | >_> |
| 22:57.32 | Torhal | Semlar never releases anything. |
| 22:57.39 | nevcairiel | i shall refrain from commenting |
| 22:57.45 | Torhal | He's a theoretical author. |
| 22:57.52 | Semlar | "author" |
| 22:57.54 | Torhal | :D |
| 22:58.21 | Semlar | on that note i have to uh.. go.. make dinner.. |
| 22:58.27 | Hazal | lol |
| 22:58.33 | Torhal | Though I do hear that, once, he released the Kraken. |
| 22:58.35 | Sinopsis | someone take his mockup and do it/release it :P |
| 22:59.14 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure blizzard doesn't want you to detect what's on the minimap |
| 22:59.51 | nevcairiel | haha he dropped a whale shark |
| 23:00.32 | Hazal | Well, in which case would it be "OP" to do that though Semlar? People could just mouseover things themselves and see the same information? |
| 23:00.59 | Hazal | Detecting Rare pets/minerals/trackable things? |
| 23:01.21 | Sinopsis | no different really than npcscan doing it for vignettes |
| 23:01.25 | nevcairiel | mousing over requires interaction, allowing an addon to detect it allows certain automation |
| 23:01.48 | nevcairiel | vignettes actually have API functions to get information about them, so its easy and officially possible |
| 23:01.59 | Sinopsis | exactly... |
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| 23:02.31 | Sinopsis | my point is..there's not really any diff between a rare mob on the mini map and a battlepet..except you can tell from the map that the mob is rare and you cant on a battlepet |
| 23:02.51 | nevcairiel | except they dont want you to |
| 23:03.10 | Sinopsis | i think its probably more of an oversight |
| 23:03.26 | nevcairiel | they never wanted us to automatically determine what is shown on the minimap |
| 23:03.36 | nevcairiel | from ore/herb nodes to anything else you can track |
| 23:03.44 | Hazal | I'm really curious about how this is done now :) |
| 23:05.14 | nevcairiel | vignettes are an exception here, not the rule, so i would consider it an oversight =p |
| 23:05.17 | kd3 | oofh. Iron stars |
| 23:05.29 | nevcairiel | i would not* |
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| 23:09.41 | Hazal | Wow I just looked back at logs I have from this IRC chatroom and it's going all the way back to april 2012 :O |
| 23:09.44 | Sinopsis | regardless, i dont really care if they want us doing it or not, if there is a way we can manage it :P |
| 23:10.00 | nevcairiel | if they dont want it done, you shouldn't |
| 23:10.02 | kd3 | this chat room has been here in one form or another since launch |
| 23:10.03 | nevcairiel | also, there isn't |
| 23:11.31 | Sinopsis | semlar looked like he was on the right track with his |
| 23:13.44 | Alram | no el pollo loco for u kd3 |
| 23:17.19 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I'm hoping that it was done on purpose, otherwise *cry* |
| 23:18.47 | kd3 | firebird's challenge rings hotfix is allegedly deployed |
| 23:19.23 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: Supposedly yes. But it's still like nails on a chalkboard. |
| 23:19.30 | Cairenn | Indeed |
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| 23:26.08 | Torhal | Is it bad that out of all the horrible things Constie said, I take most issue with "should of"? |
| 23:27.41 | Thunder_Child | No. That whole sentence was a trainwreck. |
| 23:28.00 | nevcairiel | i agree with Torhal, i still can't fathom that mistake |
| 23:28.16 | Torhal | nevcairiel: blu does it all the time. :/ |
| 23:28.24 | nevcairiel | slap him silly |
| 23:28.32 | Torhal | He's in NZ or I might. |
| 23:40.41 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/zbsd.png << not quite a bsdiff patch :/ |
| 23:42.21 | Hazal | is there any function which yields the date & time, like: month, day,year,hour,minute=getDate() |
| 23:42.21 | Hazal | or should I try and split up the string which I get from date() ? |
| 23:43.40 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-os.date |
| 23:47.03 | foxlit | in related news, the numbers are all wrong. they link a content hash to an encoding of a different variant of the same root entry to a patch if one exists, or to encodings not referenced in root if there aren't any. It feels like I have an off-by-one error somewhere. |
| 23:49.52 | kd3 | ouch, got ported to EPL |
| 23:51.25 | Kesava | 100 PVP server sez shutdown in 15 minutes :< |
