| 00:01.46 | foxlit | it did no such thing -- it's just a straight split-and-random()-select. |
| 00:03.53 | Semlar | welllll |
| 00:03.54 | foxlit | the problem was more that you could actually play paladins with that relatively efficiently. With any luck, no such specs remain, and nobody feels the urge to nuke everything from orbit. |
| 00:04.15 | Semlar | yeah i don't think any specs work that way any more |
| 00:04.30 | Semlar | i think death knights rolling their face through arena matches was the final nail in that coffin |
| 00:05.16 | Semlar | i was about to redo this to let people define their own stepping functions |
| 00:05.25 | Mr_Rabies | bear druid was definitely that way in MoP |
| 00:05.36 | Semlar | but if you think blizzard is going to break this functionality maybe i shouldn't encourage it |
| 00:05.37 | Mr_Rabies | i literally just hit 1-6 on my keyboard like i was bashing a piano |
| 00:05.52 | foxlit | there's no clean way to break this functionality. |
| 00:05.56 | Semlar | i know |
| 00:06.05 | Semlar | i don't want them doing anything drastic |
| 00:06.05 | foxlit | it's literally nuke-everything-from-orbit territory if someone does decide to break it. |
| 00:06.53 | kd3 | did somebody say druid flowcharts? http://azeroth.metblogs.com/2009/10/01/the-great-flowchart-of-feral-dps/ |
| 00:07.11 | Semlar | i really don't think you could play a class very well with this type of addon |
| 00:07.40 | Semlar | i'm just kind of resurrecting MacroSequence |
| 00:09.42 | foxlit | less-likely-to-get-nerfed idea: translate damage rotations to guitar hero gameplay. |
| 00:10.17 | Semlar | i had an idea for a keybind trainer that worked like that but didn't have the time to follow through with it |
| 00:10.21 | foxlit | "Hm, you're going to want to Shred twice, then Rake, then pool energy for Ferocious Byte" -- > red red yellow (far away green) |
| 00:10.59 | Semlar | it's also kind of a pain to figure out what spell a certain key will cast |
| 00:11.27 | foxlit | or you could just make your own keys. |
| 00:12.07 | Semlar | the keys are bound to actions but the actions will be something along the lines of "execute whatever's on actionbutton1" |
| 00:12.32 | Semlar | so in the default interface you have to actually map out what each button each command is tied to |
| 00:13.27 | foxlit | Gratuitous complexity; it's much easier to say "Now bind Shred to 2, Rake to 3." |
| 00:14.20 | foxlit | or even don't bother with bindings at all -- just "cast shred shred rake then wait, then bite" is enough to be interesting. |
| 00:15.00 | Semlar | judging by MacroSequence you used to be able to cal GetTime() in the RE, so that could have been extended quite a bit |
| 00:15.09 | Semlar | call |
| 00:15.39 | foxlit | http://www.amazon.co.jp/Oisix-ãªã¤ã·ãã¯ã¹-ãªã¤ã·ãã¯ã¹-åæ´æè¡·ããã¡-ãæ
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| 00:15.50 | Semlar | this is a very japanese link |
| 00:15.57 | Semlar | is that a bento box |
| 00:17.56 | Thunder_Child | Sampler pack |
| 00:20.18 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: Why are you handing out candy a day early? |
| 00:20.42 | kd3 | a bento for ~150usd? even for japan that seems a bit steep |
| 00:20.46 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.55 | Arrowmaster | because tonight is when the city did it, didnt want to conflict with highschool football |
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| 00:22.21 | Thunder_Child | How exactly does the city control a 'holiday'? |
| 00:22.46 | Semlar | some places apparently celebrated halloween last week |
| 00:22.51 | kd3 | they go 'hey everyone. let's celebrate halloween tonight. we've got this big event going down at the community center, come join us!' |
| 00:23.16 | Thunder_Child | Then arrow wouldn't be sitting outside handing out candy. |
| 00:23.48 | Thunder_Child | Unless he was just being uber creepy. |
| 00:24.10 | Thunder_Child | s/y./ier than normal./ |
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| 00:36.03 | Semlar | well that's interesting |
| 00:36.46 | Semlar | you can create a raid group solo now by starting a premade in LFG, right clicking on your portrait and converting it to a raid |
| 00:38.22 | Semlar | an addon could probably automate this if you wanted to convert yourself to a raid group for some reason |
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| 00:38.55 | Semlar | i don't know if you still can't enter a raid without being in a "raid group" |
| 00:42.25 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.33 | jleclanche | Kalroth: Man, my I know my googling skills really suck when I end up on fin's homepage |
| 00:42.40 | jleclanche | Kalroth: it still shows your armory light! |
| 00:42.41 | jleclanche | http://fin.instinct.org/ |
| 00:43.25 | jleclanche | every single one of those links is dead |
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| 00:45.55 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: small midwest cities do beggars night where the city says when and what time people will be giving out candy so the kids know when to go out |
| 00:47.35 | relaxok | can someone explain justifyh/v for fontstrings in a complete way? |
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| 00:50.00 | relaxok | what does LEFT mean specifically |
| 00:56.42 | kd3 | beta's ending on monday at 3pm pacific |
| 00:56.48 | kd3 | s/3 pm/4pm/ |
| 00:58.34 | Ressy | aww.. will be at work when they do the festivities |
| 00:59.59 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_103114_025956.jpg |
| 01:00.12 | kullervo | alright, never seen THAT before |
| 01:06.05 | Ressy | I have.. |
| 01:06.13 | Ressy | they don't have an image for the hat or something |
| 01:07.02 | jleclanche | you know |
| 01:07.51 | jleclanche | I truly wonder how many "e"s have been saved by this decision back in 2002 or so, to typpe "Screenshot" like a teenager on a prehistoric phone |
| 01:08.20 | jleclanche | boy, type. |
| 01:12.52 | kullervo | Ressy: quest complete exclamation mark failed to load |
| 01:13.02 | kullervo | question mark too |
| 01:19.10 | Ressy | thats... odd |
| 01:19.12 | Ressy | repair? |
| 01:19.15 | Ressy | oh yeah. herp |
| 01:19.20 | kd3 | if it's the live client... |
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| 01:41.27 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_103114_034120.jpg |
| 01:41.29 | kullervo | what the shit |
| 01:43.55 | smcn | CANDY |
| 01:48.49 | Semlar | tricky treat |
| 02:02.22 | relaxok | does justify left mean start it at the left of the parent frame? |
| 02:03.12 | Semlar | no, it means align the text with the left of the font string itself |
| 02:03.51 | Semlar | let's say you have a font string that's 500px wide |
| 02:04.02 | Semlar | and the text only takes up like 100px |
| 02:04.25 | Semlar | if you justify it left it will start at the left of the 500px area |
| 02:05.21 | Semlar | if you justify it center, it anchors the middle of the text text to the middle of the area, and right aligns the right of the text with the right edge of the string |
| 02:05.46 | Semlar | if the text doesn't have a defined width, justifying it does virtually nothing |
| 02:09.47 | phelps | is there a way to check for bleeds ? or a library like LibDispellable ? |
| 02:10.27 | Semlar | specifically bleeds or if something can be dispelled |
| 02:11.16 | phelps | well, if something can be dispelled |
| 02:11.17 | phelps | LibDispellable doesn't seem to handle bleeds |
| 02:11.19 | Semlar | bleeds are just physical dots, so you can determine if something is a bleed by looking at its damage school in the combat log |
| 02:11.37 | Semlar | if something can be dispelled by you it is highlighted in the interface |
| 02:12.00 | Semlar | one of the returns from UnitDebuff is "dispellable" or something |
| 02:12.00 | relaxok | Semlar: woah wait.. if you justify it center it can stretch the right side? |
| 02:12.08 | Semlar | what no |
| 02:12.12 | relaxok | oh |
| 02:12.13 | relaxok | misread |
| 02:13.21 | Semlar | phelps: UnitDebuff has dispelType as the fifth return |
| 02:13.31 | Semlar | curse/disease/magic/poison |
| 02:14.26 | Semlar | and if you really need to determine if a spell is a bleed you can monitor the combat log for its periodic damage and look at its school |
| 02:14.32 | Semlar | if it's physical and periodic, it's a bleed |
| 02:14.41 | Semlar | well, probably |
| 02:17.14 | relaxok | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/0EabPqDS |
| 02:17.18 | relaxok | seems to be working ... i think |
| 02:18.20 | relaxok | Semlar: that was really helpful actually |
| 02:18.59 | Semlar | you also have to handle multi-line text |
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| 02:19.49 | Semlar | if it's right aligned the right edge of the text is aligned with the right edge of the string |
| 02:22.56 | relaxok | for each line |
| 02:22.59 | relaxok | yeah |
| 02:23.05 | relaxok | i am not doing anything with multiple lines yet |
| 02:23.06 | relaxok | =/ |
| 02:23.19 | relaxok | the gametooltip is fuckin complicated btw |
| 02:32.52 | phelps | hmmm |
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| 04:29.25 | Simca | Elixirs from the Cataclysm expansion should no longer be more powerful than their counterparts from Mists of Pandaria. |
| 04:29.28 | Simca | Semlar so happy |
| 04:31.05 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 04:31.36 | kullervo | waiting for "Enchants from the Burning Crusade expansion should no longer be more powerful than their counterparts from Mists of Pandaria" |
| 04:31.48 | Simca | that should be fixed now |
| 04:32.02 | Simca | it looked like they fixed that in 6.0.3 |
| 04:33.51 | kullervo | hmh, I guess these rogues with their mongooses are just out of date then |
| 04:34.12 | Simca | could be |
| 04:34.20 | Simca | but i meant the number-based ones |
| 04:34.28 | Dagmar | I should check and see if they mention cooking recipes |
| 04:34.30 | Simca | so maybe the proc ones like mongoose are still broken |
| 04:34.40 | Simca | yeah dagmar |
| 04:34.58 | Simca | well, kind of |
| 04:34.59 | Simca | Boiled Silkworm Pupa now provides a buff to Critical Strike instead of Hit. |
| 04:35.33 | Dagmar | Well, I was looking at Bobby Flay's recipes the other night and several were more powerful than the stuff I'd been picking up in Pandaria |
| 04:35.50 | Dagmar | I strongly considered going to get me some Fathom Eels |
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| 04:38.17 | Simca | yeah it looks like they did a pretty bad job with professions |
| 04:38.32 | Simca | worg tartare still gives 19 hit |
| 04:38.36 | Simca | which doesn't exist |
| 04:39.10 | Simca | and the relative power of the cooking recipes is way out of whack as you move up in level |
| 04:39.15 | Simca | some get way weaker |
| 04:39.28 | Simca | these level 35 clams are better than anything until cata |
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| 04:57.21 | Semlar | oops my addon appears to have broken the /dump function and lua error reporting |
| 04:57.28 | Semlar | i wonder why |
| 04:57.37 | Torhal | You do realize Python doesn't work in WoW, right Semlar? |
| 04:57.48 | Semlar | i have no idea what i did |
| 04:58.06 | Torhal | Of course, you could always ask Humbedooh to write a Python interpreter in WoW Lua. |
| 04:59.37 | Simca | then use it load Lupa |
| 05:01.05 | Torhal | WAT |
| 05:01.44 | pompy | WAHT |
| 05:02.04 | Torhal | Here you go, Simca: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsvg-1-0/ |
| 05:02.24 | Torhal | He has other crazy shit as well: http://www.wowace.com/profiles/Humbedooh/ |
| 05:02.50 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it was from calling random() in the secure environment |
| 05:03.06 | Simca | oh god half of it is spreadsheets |
| 05:03.10 | Torhal | lol |
| 05:03.11 | Simca | i like him already |
| 05:03.27 | Torhal | Simca: I think we should task him with implementing Eve in WoW. |
| 05:03.29 | Torhal | >.> |
| 05:03.30 | Torhal | <.< |
| 05:03.38 | Semlar | the cast function works fine when i use random but it breaks /dump and error reporting.. and i don't know why |
| 05:03.58 | Simca | i pride myself on making my coworkers say "I didn't know you could do that with excel" |
| 05:04.05 | Torhal | Hah |
| 05:05.31 | karl_w_w | this humble bundle $65 reward |
| 05:05.41 | karl_w_w | does anyone still have a tape player? |
| 05:05.58 | karl_w_w | maybe if they own an old car and havent replaced the radio |
| 05:06.20 | Simca | there is one in the space under the main tv in my house but it has never been used |
| 05:06.53 | karl_w_w | there has never been a tape player in my house |
| 05:07.03 | Simca | you're weird |
| 05:07.05 | karl_w_w | granted the house is only 3 years old but still :P |
| 05:07.08 | Simca | oh |
| 05:07.11 | Simca | that's cheating |
| 05:07.22 | Torhal | Reality distortion field. |
| 05:07.37 | Torhal | sneaks an 8-track player into karl_w_w's house. |
| 05:07.49 | karl_w_w | I feel violated |
| 05:07.59 | Torhal | :/ |
| 05:09.16 | karl_w_w | wow what a boring steam sale |
| 05:09.42 | karl_w_w | "he're a list of games you might like, and their prices. go nuts!" |
| 05:09.54 | karl_w_w | "please" |
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| 05:32.01 | Semlar | neffi i broke the game and i can't figure out why |
| 05:33.53 | Semlar | when i type /dump into the chat the message just stays in the edit box, and i can't produce any lua errors even doing things that should be creating errors |
| 05:34.00 | Torhal | refuses to believe in the existence of Neffi, despite Semlar's protestations. |
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| 05:34.16 | Semlar | neffi is my imaginary friend |
| 05:34.18 | Semlar | don't worry about it |
| 05:35.23 | Semlar | he's like that imaginary alien who pops up and talks to fred on the flintstones |
| 05:37.06 | Mr_Rabies | batman and superman both have versions of the great gazoo |
| 05:37.33 | Mr_Rabies | Bat-Mite and Mr. Mxyzptlk, respectively |
| 05:47.06 | Semlar | figured it out |
| 05:47.58 | Semlar | it's from calling EditMacro apparently a million times |
| 05:49.33 | Semlar | apparently unregistering UPDATE_MACROS, calling EditMacro and re-registering UPDATE_MACROS doesn't stop it from turning into an infinite loop |
| 05:54.06 | karl_w_w | Shirik or other LoL players, what does AD mean? |
| 05:59.27 | Fisker | Active directory |
| 06:02.11 | Fisker | http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_terminology |
| 06:05.09 | Semlar | what the what, unregistering the event after it fires doesn't even stop this from becoming an infinite loop |
| 06:09.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/3sqEGqp.jpg oO |
| 06:10.26 | Semlar | how.. is this firing more than once |
| 06:10.44 | Semlar | this is the whole thing aside from the table of macros |
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| 06:51.45 | nevcairiel | there was something about unregistering only catching on after the next frame or something |
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| 07:07.21 | Semlar | marco |
| 07:07.38 | karl_w_w | I'm disappointed in the combo of peanut butter and bacon |
| 07:07.39 | Semlar | wait what, is that new nevcairiel? |
| 07:07.48 | karl_w_w | it's not the holy grail people make it out to be |
| 07:08.02 | karl_w_w | ketchup is king, all hail ketchup |
| 07:08.13 | nevcairiel | triggering the very same event from within a event handler has always been a bit tricky |
| 07:09.35 | karl_w_w | this 60fps shit has broken youtube |
| 07:10.00 | karl_w_w | more than it was broken before |
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| 07:52.18 | VIad | Going to ask a question regarding TV/projector. I want to get a nice meeting room viewing portal, either a 55" flat 4k TV with incredible resolution, hopefully it will display a computer screen nicely. Alternatively a projector, though looking at their resolutions it feels less nicer, like for 1080p it costs the same as the 4k ultra thin TV... |
| 07:53.14 | VIad | I am just asking for some pointers when obtaining a meeting setup; TV spec for pleasant PC screen viewing at a distance in a big room (not tooo big ofc) and a projector and what specs to watch out for to get a good picture. :) |
| 07:54.36 | nevcairiel | if you want to display PC content, why get a 4K tv, since your PC stuff was rather likely build for 1080p .p |
| 07:54.53 | Semlar | i'm almost positive a projector is going to look worse |
| 07:56.13 | VIad | if the price for the 4k TV is the same as the 1080p projector... a projector needs a screen to be mounted on the wall too, costs like a small TV |
| 07:56.27 | VIad | I was just confused if the resolution output was really so low on most projectors. |
| 07:56.37 | VIad | most average are around like 720p or less |
| 07:56.52 | nevcairiel | there are also 4k projectors |
| 07:56.54 | VIad | but if you invest you can get a cheaper TV for the same price (since you still need to buy a screen to mount up) |
| 07:57.06 | VIad | those cost twice as much as a 55" 4k ultra thin TV :D |
| 07:57.27 | VIad | maintenance on projectors is worse too, since the bulb can break... ugh |
| 07:57.29 | nevcairiel | 55" is rather tiny if you want to stand in front of it and hold a presentation though |
| 07:57.52 | VIad | atm we got 40" or something, or 38" |
| 07:57.53 | nevcairiel | projectors are way better for that |
| 07:58.27 | VIad | I will look around but price is going to be much more to get the room projector ready :D |
| 07:58.32 | VIad | in any case |
| 07:58.55 | VIad | so the resolution on projectors is what you'd expect it to show if you hook up your pc |
| 07:59.07 | VIad | I thought maybe projectors had a different meaning regarding resolution :p |
| 07:59.32 | VIad | why would anyone buy one of the 800x600 projectors I saw that cost as much as a really nice 1080p 50" TV... just insane |
| 08:00.00 | VIad | if you are going to use it to watch movies you'd only have to get the DVDs since blurays would be a waste :p |
| 08:00.18 | VIad | sure it gets bigger but smuggier too |
| 08:01.08 | VIad | thanks for the input anyway :) cya later |
| 08:02.03 | nevcairiel | because projectors are just better for meeting room presentations, like I said standing in front of a 50" tv feels terrible for a presentation, standing in front of a huge presentation screen is OK, and for simple power point stuff that resolution might be acceptable even |
| 08:02.33 | Semlar | oh this is for presentations, i didn't read that |
| 08:02.56 | nevcairiel | well he said meeting room |
| 08:03.08 | Mr_Rabies | 1080p projectors look great |
| 08:03.16 | Semlar | that was way too many words to read all at once |
| 08:03.33 | Mr_Rabies | just consider the lighting in the room, vlad |
| 08:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | what's the lighting gonna be like? |
| 08:04.09 | Mr_Rabies | and you don't -need- a screen for a projector, but it will definitely pop more, it really depends on your setup |
| 08:04.33 | nevcairiel | if you have white walls it might work without, but screens arent that expensive |
| 08:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | i do all my movie watching on a home theater projector, and they'd be great for presentations |
| 08:04.51 | Mr_Rabies | they are specialised though |
| 08:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | if you have the lights on you want a business projector with at least 3k lumens or so |
| 08:05.18 | Mr_Rabies | and a screen |
| 08:05.45 | Mr_Rabies | i project onto a white wall but my room is almost fully black if i want it to be |
| 08:06.21 | Mr_Rabies | blackout curtains, etc |
| 08:07.08 | Mr_Rabies | oh derp he left |
| 08:07.09 | Mr_Rabies | i missed that |
| 08:10.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'd never use anything other than a projector and a nice receiver/surround setup to watch movies on, personally |
| 08:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | if i didn't have my projector i'd probably just stop watching movies until i could get one again |
| 08:11.50 | Maldivia | Cairenn: Merry Christmas today then :D (and happy halloween as well) |
| 08:16.14 | karl_w_w | but projectors are yucky Mr_Rabies |
| 08:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | they're amazing |
| 08:17.19 | karl_w_w | I don't see how a reflection of light can ever match up to a light coming direct from the source |
| 08:17.29 | karl_w_w | and I have never seen an example where it does |
| 08:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's a much better experience |
| 08:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | if i could show you my projector i would but since i can't |
| 08:18.06 | karl_w_w | I want it projecting directly onto my retinas dammit! |
| 08:18.10 | Mr_Rabies | you'll just have to hope you can see someone else's properly configured home theater projector some day |
| 08:18.24 | Mr_Rabies | seriously, i'd never return to a tv |
| 08:18.42 | Mr_Rabies | (also you're seeing a reflection of light on an lcd anyway) |
| 08:19.33 | karl_w_w | at the sub-pixel level |
| 08:19.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'll never return to an lcd for movie watching |
| 08:19.45 | Mr_Rabies | it's just a wholly inferior experience |
| 08:19.54 | Mr_Rabies | even a large modern plasma doesn't compare |
| 08:21.16 | nevcairiel | the problem with projectors is that you basically need a room dedicated to it, since most projectors suck terribly if you have any outside light in the room, and of course the projection surface is usually going to be bigger than a tv, so it needs space |
| 08:21.16 | karl_w_w | are plasmas even still produced? |
| 08:21.25 | Mr_Rabies | yep |
| 08:21.32 | nevcairiel | plus, a really good projector can easily cost much more than a TV |
| 08:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | they're still really expensive, but the best option in most cases |
| 08:21.43 | Mr_Rabies | (other than a projector) |
| 08:21.59 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah, the key to a projector is being able to control your environment |
| 08:22.06 | nevcairiel | both LCDs and Plasmas have different advantages and disadvantages, i wouldnt say plasmas are generally better |
| 08:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | you don't really need a room dedicated to it if you're willing to either paint a wall or have an electric screen (which are really expensive) |
| 08:22.39 | karl_w_w | for me the concern over burn-in is enough to warrant going LCD every time |
| 08:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | new plasmas don't have the burn in problem, apparently |
| 08:22.53 | Mr_Rabies | or at least |
| 08:22.58 | Mr_Rabies | it's significantly reduced |
| 08:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | they do still eat a massive, massive amount of power |
| 08:23.12 | Mr_Rabies | way, way better colors though |
| 08:23.29 | Mr_Rabies | my projector's MSRP was $2500 sooo |
| 08:23.34 | Mr_Rabies | but then again |
| 08:23.45 | Mr_Rabies | so were actually good 1080p displays when i bought it |
| 08:23.58 | Mr_Rabies | i paid $1400 for it, though |
| 08:23.59 | karl_w_w | given the amount of R&D going into LCD compared to plasma, LCD will probably overtake it on all fronts eventually |
| 08:24.06 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps |
| 08:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish the CRT tech they were working on to compete with LCD went anywhere |
| 08:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | i really just don't like LCDs other than their convenience |
| 08:24.32 | karl_w_w | it was a hit to plasma lovers when sony switched to focusing solely on LCD |
| 08:24.45 | Mr_Rabies | that's really their only strong point |
| 08:24.54 | Mr_Rabies | they're pretty awful at everything except being lightweight |
| 08:25.01 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 08:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | bleeding/uneven blacklights are still an issue on all but the best lcds |
| 08:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | terrible color, etc |
| 08:25.35 | Mr_Rabies | backlights* |
| 08:25.40 | nevcairiel | terrible TVs are terrible, big surprise :P |
| 08:25.58 | nevcairiel | plasmas have plenty disadvantages too |
| 08:26.10 | nevcairiel | unless you also buy extremely expensive |
| 08:26.19 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's not worth buying a lower end plasma at all |
| 08:26.33 | karl_w_w | you seem to be comparing bad LCDs, which is an unfair comparison because plasmas and projectors are pretty niche so they don't have as much of a low end |
| 08:26.37 | nevcairiel | and at that price level, you also get a decent LCD without all the drawbacks of cheaper devices |
| 08:26.41 | Mr_Rabies | i said "all but the best" |
| 08:26.45 | Mr_Rabies | not "bad" |
| 08:27.24 | Mr_Rabies | even "good" lcds are pretty bad as far as smoothness of backlight and color clarity in comparison to CRTs, etc |
| 08:27.46 | Mr_Rabies | (not that CRTs are a valid option anymore since the convenience of LCDs totally killed them) |
| 08:28.39 | nevcairiel | CRTs never really reached the "HD" age anyway, so they should be kept out of any comparisons :d |
| 08:29.10 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, convenience killed quality and the quality thing fell behind :( |
| 08:29.13 | Mr_Rabies | permanently |
| 08:29.47 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish we could have seen what CRTs were capable of in today's age |
| 08:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | i'll admit that having a 10 lb display versus a 50 lb display is huge, though |
| 08:31.30 | nevcairiel | just wait a couple more years until we have actually affordable OLED TVs, then you get perfectly even lighting and better color reproduction |
| 08:31.42 | Mr_Rabies | (or upwards of 200 lb like the 36" CRT i use for retro gaming) |
| 08:32.13 | nevcairiel | CRTs also hit a bit of a size limit, couldn't create a 60" CRT without requiring a crane to transport it |
| 08:32.34 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, because the tech basically stagnated when LCDs came onto the market |
| 08:32.41 | nevcairiel | thats not convenience, thats practical limits |
| 08:32.45 | Mr_Rabies | there were a few companies working on CRT-type tech with an LCD-type footprint |
| 08:32.53 | Mr_Rabies | but it too died to LCD |
| 08:33.14 | Mr_Rabies | it was possible, just too expensive, but we cut off all development of that tech because LCD was exploding |
| 08:34.25 | Mr_Rabies | i just setup a $800 projector today, actually, with a friend :p |
| 08:34.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's not as good as mine by any means, but it's still better for movies and gaming than almost any LCD |
| 08:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'm prone to the rainbow effect inherent in DLP projectors though, which his is |
| 08:35.44 | Mr_Rabies | which would be a killer for me, but not everyone is |
| 08:36.05 | Mr_Rabies | it seems like a pretty small percentage of the population that can see it, and his is better than his hold one by far |
| 08:36.31 | Mr_Rabies | i really only see it if i move my eyes a lot and the scene's color changes significantly (white to black, or lots of movement) at the same time |
| 08:36.48 | Mr_Rabies | his old one* |
| 08:39.46 | Mr_Rabies | mine's LCD-Based, but doesn't have the backlight problems associated with LCD panels, obviously |
| 08:40.00 | Mr_Rabies | since the light IS the picture |
| 08:41.08 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't have as good color clarity as say, a modern plasma or an LCD panel that cost twice this projector's MSRP, but it is amazingly clear even at 150 inches diagonal, approximately |
| 08:53.33 | karl_w_w | TIL just how close together japan and south korea are |
| 08:53.52 | Semlar | oh yeah, they're constantly going to japan in the korean dramas i watch |
| 08:54.05 | karl_w_w | I'd always thought there was some distance of open sea between them, but they're actually just 50km apart at the closest |
| 08:54.05 | Semlar | it's like vacation central |
| 08:54.27 | karl_w_w | ah I see Semlar |
| 08:54.38 | karl_w_w | I only watch japanese dramas and they never go to korea |
| 08:54.43 | Semlar | lol |
| 08:54.45 | karl_w_w | that's why I didn't know |
| 08:57.45 | Semlar | japan doesn't have dramas, only insane gameshows |
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| 09:04.39 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 09:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason i get G+ notifications for a single youtube channel |
| 09:05.15 | Mr_Rabies | and can't figure out how to disable them |
| 09:05.44 | Mr_Rabies | also: karl_w_w, speaking of jdramas, did you watch blue blazes? |
| 09:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno if it's technically a jdrama, but it's a live action show |
| 09:06.25 | Mr_Rabies | and it's not a tokusatsu show |
| 09:07.28 | karl_w_w | I've never heard of it, and I don't actually watch japanese dramas |
| 09:07.37 | karl_w_w | well, other than the ocassional anime |
| 09:07.59 | karl_w_w | I also never watch TV that teaches me how to spell, apparently |
| 09:08.17 | karl_w_w | RIP sesame street |
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| 09:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's about the anime industry in 1980-1981, karl_w_w |
| 09:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's based on a semi-biographical manga about a guy that went to osaka university (of art and design i think?) |
| 09:09.56 | Mr_Rabies | semi-autobiographical, rather |
| 09:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | his classmates were hideaki anno and some other founding members of gainax, and also a few other important figures of the time show up |
| 09:10.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's really good, i don't normally watch jdramas or anything, and only a tiny, tiny amount of tokusatsu |
| 09:10.58 | Mr_Rabies | it's hilarious, too |
| 09:12.48 | Mr_Rabies | if you understand what's going on here, blue blazes is the show for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foFh8GBwlXM |
| 09:13.01 | Mr_Rabies | if you don't, watch some gundam |
| 09:13.46 | Mr_Rabies | or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16PAGIcIf9g |
| 09:14.14 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i have a plugin for adblock that kills all social media things |
| 09:14.48 | Semlar | one of the filter subscriptions |
| 09:15.02 | Semlar | that should take care of G+ |
| 09:16.05 | Semlar | https://easylist.adblockplus.org/en/ so many lists |
| 09:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 09:17.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's my google notifications |
| 09:17.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's a single channel i subscribe to |
| 09:17.59 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason his uploads go to the notification center on my new tab page |
| 09:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | and i cannot find a way to remove it |
| 09:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is when i temporarily converted my youtube account to G+ it autosubscribed to it, but now can't be removed since i reversed said conversion |
| 09:20.06 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a huge deal since i watch all of his uploads anyway |
| 09:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | but still, kind of an annoyance |
| 09:20.48 | Mr_Rabies | on that note, have a rare "not loud as all-hell" deathtrips video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH3BUdBKxd0 |
| 09:20.52 | Mr_Rabies | featuring gabe, his dog |
| 09:21.17 | Mr_Rabies | almost every single video of his is loud as hell though, so fair warning |
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| 09:59.39 | karl_w_w | my youtube account is linked to g+ and none of my subscribed channels pester me |
| 10:18.46 | haste | Fisker: why can't I order Nexus 6 yet?! |
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| 11:00.51 | karl_w_w | Fisker has preordered them all |
| 11:01.56 | karl_w_w | production orders are reserved until 2016 at the earliest as they try to meet Fisker's insatiable desire |
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| 11:23.05 | karl_w_w | my microwave starts going when you push the button in that opens the door |
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| 12:42.00 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:58.29 | jleclanche | boy |
| 12:58.42 | jleclanche | facebook officially has the most memorable tor address - facebookcorewwwi.onion |
| 13:13.27 | Constie | Is there some kind of Tor Project press release that confirms this? |
| 13:16.01 | karl_w_w | the great tor address memorability rating of '14 |
| 13:16.11 | Kalroth | Constie: https://www.facebook.com/notes/protect-the-graph/making-connections-to-facebook-more-secure/1526085754298237 |
| 13:18.25 | Constie | I don't see anything about an official memorability rating there. |
| 13:18.46 | Kalroth | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8538453 mentions how they got lucky brute forcing the address |
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| 13:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour bonjour. |
| 13:30.06 | Kalroth | hides the baguettes |
| 13:30.12 | Kalroth | also hides jleclanche |
| 13:30.49 | jleclanche | Kalroth: did you see fin's website i linked |
| 13:31.29 | Thunder_Child | I wonder how many people I am going to fuck with today. The first person I met did not even recognize me until I got close. |
| 13:31.47 | Kalroth | jleclanche: yes he's a lazy slacker |
| 13:31.58 | jleclanche | :D |
| 13:31.59 | Kalroth | Thunder_Child: are you undercover? |
| 13:32.13 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth: No, I am out of bed. |
| 13:32.45 | Kalroth | covers are portable, you know |
| 13:32.48 | jleclanche | tdochub is pretty nice |
| 13:33.07 | Kalroth | whats t dochub+ |
| 13:33.21 | jleclanche | a decent pdf freeform editor |
| 13:33.30 | jleclanche | integrated into gdocs |
| 13:33.58 | jleclanche | time to get rid of the last thing the gimp was useful for. |
| 13:35.08 | Kalroth | so it's not related to dochub? |
| 13:36.21 | Kalroth | oh it was a typo, i need more coffee |
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| 13:40.01 | Thunder_Child | Kalroth: And by more you mean none? |
| 13:40.16 | Kalroth | I am very confused |
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| 13:40.36 | Thunder_Child | Yes, drugs do that to people. |
| 13:40.50 | Kalroth | but coffee is a good drug |
| 13:41.54 | Thunder_Child | It has its ups and downs. |
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| 13:51.01 | MiRai | Is there a simple /slash command to bring the default party frames back on screen. For some reason they're not showing and I think they're off screen. |
| 13:51.21 | Semlar | depends on why they aren't showing |
| 13:51.43 | MiRai | I'm honestly not sure... I use oUF for everything except now when I don't load oUF they're gone |
| 13:52.05 | Semlar | it likely disabled the blizzard unit frames |
| 13:52.32 | MiRai | Well, I do use oUF on multiple sub-accounts on my BNet, but everyone else is fine |
| 13:52.38 | Semlar | you can attempt /run EnableAddOn("Blizzard_CompactRaidFrames") EnableAddOn("Blizzard_CUFProfiles") EnableAddOn("Blizzard_RaidUI") ReloadUI() |
| 13:52.54 | MiRai | that did the trick |
| 13:52.56 | MiRai | thanks |
| 13:53.15 | Semlar | yeah, that's a big problem with addons that do that |
| 13:53.23 | Semlar | because they don't bring them back when they're disabled |
| 13:55.32 | foxlit | Semlar: stack-overflowing loops involving pcall can break the default error handler. Call error("bah") first. |
| 13:56.47 | foxlit | probably /dump error("bah") for good measure. |
| 13:56.52 | Semlar | yeah, i didn't even notice it was happening until it blocked me from using the /dump command |
| 13:57.26 | Semlar | problem solved though, no more infinite loop |
| 13:58.10 | Semlar | apparently Unregistering an event inside the event handler doesn't stop it from processing that event if it fires again within the same frame, which is weird because i could have sworn it did |
| 13:58.49 | foxlit | this clearly wouldn't be happening if you used best-practice libraries like AceEvent. |
| 14:00.19 | Semlar | perhaps, but i also wouldn't know about the error if i did that |
| 14:01.08 | Semlar | who do i have to poke to get this addon approved, i uploaded it hours ago! |
| 14:01.34 | Semlar | don't give me any of that "nobody's actually awake" nonsense |
| 14:02.58 | Semlar | >_> alright problem solved |
| 14:03.31 | Thunder_Child | Everyone is awake, they just hate you. |
| 14:04.55 | Semlar | don't hate |
| 14:06.58 | Kalroth | haters gonna hate |
| 14:16.25 | Thunder_Child | I shake it off. |
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| 14:36.22 | Semlar | oh, apparently i missed the blue post saying mp3 files not being playable was a bug |
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| 15:03.50 | Constie | What's a good way to find the base max duration of a DoT? If you refresh a DoT, UnitDebuff returns the extended duration, which isn't what I want. |
| 15:05.43 | Constie | I can look for "XX sec" in the spell description, but that seems prone to breaking eventually. |
| 15:09.24 | mikma | constie: store the time() it starts and add the duration to time() |
| 15:09.26 | Semlar | you could record the shortest duration you've seen it |
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| 15:14.02 | jleclanche | I love my new monitor |
| 15:14.11 | jleclanche | my terminal emulator can display so many more characters now |
| 15:14.20 | Constie | Well, those could give incorrect results if I reloaded my UI in combat, I think. |
| 15:14.56 | mikma | constie: no, if you store the duration in sv |
| 15:15.05 | Thunder_Child | Is reloading your UI in combat a common occurrence? |
| 15:15.07 | nevcairiel | did youi finally switch from one of those 80x40 monochrome terminal displays jerome? |
| 15:15.21 | mikma | but anyway, reloading your ui while in combat is always considered a stupid decision |
| 15:15.31 | Constie | Sometimes it's necessary! |
| 15:15.42 | nevcairiel | if it is, then you have broken things |
| 15:15.50 | Semlar | so store it in a saved variable |
| 15:15.50 | Constie | I've had to do it at least like three or four times since vanilla. |
| 15:16.01 | nevcairiel | 3 or 4 times in 10 years isnt too bad :p |
| 15:20.23 | Constie | I think to be safe and minimize work needing to be done right now I'm just going to hardcode the values and accept that I might have to change them in future patches. It's just for two spells, that I think haven't ever had their durations changed anyway. |
| 15:40.34 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: seriously, stop |
| 15:40.42 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 15:41.35 | Torhal | What did you do, Stanzilla? |
| 15:41.48 | Stanzilla | mention his first name |
| 15:42.23 | Torhal | I somehow missed that. |
| 15:42.29 | Stanzilla | was on G+ |
| 15:42.38 | Stanzilla | where he actually uses it! |
| 15:42.41 | Torhal | Aah |
| 15:42.54 | Stanzilla | might be some sort of identy crisis |
| 15:43.48 | Ressy | Stanzilla, that tweet scared people already |
| 15:43.50 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:44.07 | Stanzilla | Ressy: why lol |
| 15:45.02 | Fisker | I'm hungry |
| 15:45.25 | Stanzilla | same |
| 15:45.28 | Ressy | they don't like the alternative? |
| 15:46.02 | nevcairiel | what tweet |
| 15:50.27 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/RessyM/status/528209801545662464 |
| 15:51.33 | nevcairiel | some people get scared, some disappointed when they find out you were jokinh |
| 15:51.36 | nevcairiel | joking* |
| 15:52.01 | Fisker | Only if it were bigwigs though, Ressy |
| 15:52.32 | nevcairiel | also, the DBM guys manage all by themself to discontinue it, so many people in my guild switched ti bigwigs because DBM removed MoP support from the main package while the content was still being actively played =p |
| 15:52.58 | Fisker | :P |
| 15:57.59 | Stanzilla | yea that was such a dumb move |
| 15:58.57 | fewyn | i like bigwigs more than dbm anyways |
| 16:08.04 | Stanzilla | dbm is like that annoying granny that tells you to eat slower every dinner |
| 16:08.50 | Stanzilla | +at |
| 16:13.22 | Thunder_Child | "Slow down bitch or you are going to choke on my fist." |
| 16:13.31 | Thunder_Child | -Every granny ever. |
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| 16:29.24 | Ressy | lol |
| 16:31.53 | Fisker | lols Ressy |
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| 16:46.50 | kd3 | oh wow, that's not a change I was expecting to see... "Conjured food no longer has a level requirement to use." |
| 16:47.28 | nevcairiel | it probably scales now |
| 16:47.45 | nevcairiel | or did they make it percentage based? |
| 16:47.56 | kd3 | iirc as of 6.0 it's now 100% health/mana over 20 sec |
| 16:48.01 | jleclanche | aye |
| 16:49.07 | nevcairiel | probably just to make mages regen faster ooc, its not like i ever eat or drink any in a dungeon or raid anymore |
| 16:49.56 | nevcairiel | dont remember when i actually had conjured food in a dungeon or raid the last time |
| 16:50.11 | nevcairiel | the time of regen between trash pulls is long over .d |
| 16:50.48 | Constie | We have a Mage who keeps putting down tables in raids. I don't know why. We have stat food. |
| 16:51.05 | kd3 | years of muscle memory are hard to undo |
| 16:51.13 | nevcairiel | well you eat that for stats, not for mana |
| 16:53.36 | nevcairiel | a few expansions back, healers had to actually sit down and drink after every pull |
| 16:53.44 | nevcairiel | passive regen was so minimal back thne |
| 16:54.26 | Constie | Sit down and drink the water the Mages had conjured five of at a time and manually traded to every mana user. Uphill both ways in the snow. |
| 16:55.02 | nevcairiel | there was a time when we had tables and still needed it for drinking |
| 16:56.00 | nevcairiel | even worse it was for warlocks however |
| 16:56.40 | nevcairiel | they had to carry around should shards for their spells to use, plus make healthstones, one at a time |
| 16:57.26 | nevcairiel | ah the mostly-good old days |
| 17:03.50 | Shirik | and the candles I never had |
| 17:04.16 | Shirik | part of that meant I never had to do prayer of fortitude |
| 17:04.29 | nevcairiel | and everyone else hated you for it? |
| 17:04.32 | Shirik | part of that meant when I was the only priest, the entire group had to wait while I went back to town to buy candles |
| 17:04.39 | Shirik | yes :P |
| 17:04.41 | nevcairiel | so, yes |
| 17:04.53 | nevcairiel | back then it even was a substantial gold cost, these reagents |
| 17:04.57 | nevcairiel | with everyone basically being poor |
| 17:05.27 | Semlar | takes shirik's candles |
| 17:05.47 | Arrowmaster | our mage leader used to always bitch about spending so much time before MC filling his entire bag with water but then he always gave my warlock water for some reason |
| 17:05.50 | Shirik | for the longest time I thought that said "you no take candies" |
| 17:06.05 | smcn | 5 minute single-target only blessings |
| 17:07.55 | foxlit | tell us about how you used to fight in the civil war, grandpa! :) |
| 17:08.00 | Arrowmaster | resist gear |
| 17:08.42 | Kultzi | CC |
| 17:09.35 | foxlit | for some reason I can't shake the image of people sitting at a retirement home porch, reminiscing about the days gone by. |
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| 17:09.41 | Arrowmaster | i had a deal with one of our druids in bwl, he knew i had the best resist gear of the casters and did the most dmg in my resist gear so he paid special attention to me so i could let that LoS dot debuff get stupidly high before hiding to let it expire |
| 17:10.12 | Constie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo |
| 17:11.51 | fewyn | oh man |
| 17:11.55 | fewyn | i remember fire resist pots |
| 17:11.58 | fewyn | for ragnaros |
| 17:11.59 | fewyn | oh god |
| 17:12.23 | kd3 | hell, the submerge phase. when spawning a single add for every group was enough to wipe raids |
| 17:12.33 | fewyn | i had to bring so many stacks of those during progression back then |
| 17:12.36 | fewyn | was so expensive :/ |
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| 17:17.49 | Arrowmaster | is steam not doing an event with daily stuff? just a regular sale? |
| 17:20.30 | fewyn | just a reg sale |
| 17:20.35 | fewyn | they only do event stuff for summer and winter |
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| 17:52.05 | nevcairiel | even worse was resist gear |
| 17:53.24 | Elkano | so GetWeaponEnchantInfo() now returns a 4th value per enchant, some kind of enchant id... |
| 17:54.01 | Elkano | or rather effect id if I look at http://www.wowhead.com/spell=2828 |
| 17:54.22 | Elkano | anyone knows of some API to convert that id into the effect's name? |
| 17:54.35 | Simca | not sure |
| 17:54.35 | nevcairiel | probably doesnt have an API |
| 17:54.39 | Simca | i know there is a wiki page |
| 17:54.49 | nevcairiel | but doesnt it also return the name? |
| 17:55.06 | Elkano | it never did |
| 17:55.06 | nevcairiel | hm guess not |
| 17:55.14 | Elkano | I used to parse the tooltip for that |
| 17:55.35 | nevcairiel | now you can just store a lookup table somewhere \o/ |
| 17:55.53 | Simca | time for Lib-YetAnotherHardcodedLookupTableBlizzardDidn'tGiveUs |
| 17:56.14 | Elkano | BabbleEnchantEffects? |
| 17:56.31 | nevcairiel | thats easy enough to get from the game files i bet |
| 17:56.42 | Simca | yeah there is a spellitemenchantment.db2 |
| 17:56.44 | Elkano | possibly |
| 17:56.52 | Simca | i'm pretty sure these values are SpellItemEnchantmentIDs |
| 17:58.00 | Simca | yeah, Sharpened (+$k1 Damage) is 40 |
| 17:59.06 | Simca | Elkano: free csv https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13Su6WDl17dEETeS_UMCBooDfEhw5xRiZqkFuLOw6_io/edit?usp=sharing |
| 17:59.45 | nevcairiel | most of those dont even have a name, just their stat |
| 18:00.45 | Simca | the name is literally the text string to add to the tooltip in this case |
| 18:01.14 | Simca | with a replacement for $k1/$k2 to the value required |
| 18:04.13 | Elkano | also holds permanent enchants though; and is localized for enUS only.... but in theory, a BabbleTempEnchants should be possible |
| 18:04.45 | Elkano | but most likely easier to gather them via wowhead from the items/spells |
| 18:06.00 | Simca | that csv has all of the spells used for every enchantment |
| 18:06.06 | Simca | in the effectArgs columns |
| 18:14.05 | Elkano | not all obviously... see 40 |
| 18:30.21 | fewyn | sounds liek virgin galactic spaceshiptwo has blown up |
| 18:30.23 | fewyn | one survivor |
| 18:30.29 | fewyn | https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/2kwgnn/virgin_galactic_on_twitter_spaceshiptwo_has/ |
| 18:31.11 | fewyn | not a good week for anything space related |
| 18:31.58 | Alram | damn |
| 18:38.05 | fewyn | from what i'm reading the flight was a test flight with 3 pilots |
| 18:38.13 | fewyn | still bad |
| 18:39.33 | Shirik | So I've been arguing with our UI chief engineer about how our flight computer works for the past 3 days. Today I think I've decided I'm just going to tell him I don't have to convince him that my design is correct, because he doesn't have any approval authority over it. |
| 18:39.37 | Shirik | Those days when you just don't care anymore. |
| 18:40.01 | fewyn | .hi5 Shirik |
| 18:40.07 | Shirik | hi |
| 18:40.30 | Shirik | oh hi5 |
| 18:40.34 | Shirik | I assumed that was a typo |
| 18:42.21 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:43.24 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 18:49.48 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: You dressing up as an AI? |
| 18:50.14 | Shirik | I thought halloween was supposed to be when you dress up as something you're not |
| 18:51.00 | Thunder_Child | Fair enough. |
| 18:51.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (~amarande@75.133.100.116) |
| 18:51.13 | nevcairiel | it may also be the one night where you can be what you really are without frightening everyone |
| 18:51.20 | pompy | http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29857182 |
| 18:51.29 | pompy | damn fewyn ;p |
| 18:51.35 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/doughyjoey5/status/528256735258361858 |
| 18:51.59 | Fisker | I miss Shirik |
| 18:52.09 | Amarande | nev: oh, halloween |
| 18:52.13 | Amarande | for a moment I'm like "blizzcon?" |
| 18:52.14 | Amarande | heh |
| 18:52.55 | relaxok | how do StatusBar frames work? What's the relationship between the min/max value, value, and visual? |
| 18:53.01 | Amarande | that's next week though. if I was going. which I'm not THAT fortunate to. :) |
| 18:53.07 | relaxok | does it just change the Size.x/Width based on the value? |
| 18:53.26 | relaxok | and does it change something about BarTexture or the frame itself |
| 18:53.28 | Amarande | then again, that would probably mean flying into LAX, where you can have your flight arbitrarily delayed by some joker with a mobile hotspot :S |
| 18:53.52 | Amarande | (or more precisely, by idiots that don't understand that obvious joke is obvious) |
| 18:55.41 | Mr_Rabies | listing in the premade groups tool |
| 18:55.44 | Mr_Rabies | "frogse" |
| 18:56.00 | Mr_Rabies | under Siege of Orgrimmar (Normal) |
| 18:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | help |
| 18:56.34 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: hey, at least it's not as bad as it would have been if we had these tools back in Wrath |
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| 18:56.59 | Amarande | can you imagine having a PUG raid of 25 where every character is named some different accented form of Arthas (including duplicates possible due to different servers)? :D |
| 18:57.39 | Mr_Rabies | ARTHAS ONLY 25M H LK RAID BRING YOUR ARTHAS |
| 18:57.43 | Amarande | Pretty much be the Azeroth equivalent of a convention where the whole room is all wearing stickers saying "Hello. My name is Bob." :) |
| 18:57.46 | relaxok | lol |
| 18:57.54 | relaxok | i literally loled at that mr_rabies |
| 18:57.57 | relaxok | the memories |
| 18:58.59 | Amarande | sadly, though, it's becoming more and more likely that WoD is the expansion where I get off the bus |
| 18:59.05 | Ironii | is sourceFlags in combat_log_event_unfiltered for your spells always 1297? |
| 19:00.33 | Semlar | your flags can likely change |
| 19:00.41 | Semlar | like if you get mind controlled |
| 19:00.54 | Torhal | flags Semlar as trouble. |
| 19:00.57 | Semlar | dies |
| 19:01.00 | Torhal | :/ |
| 19:01.07 | Semlar | takes torhal with me |
| 19:01.15 | Torhal | Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 19:01.59 | Ironii | so the easiest way to check if the event if from the player is check by name or guid? |
| 19:02.13 | Semlar | guid |
| 19:02.45 | Semlar | i would compare the guids |
| 19:03.10 | fewyn | http://www.bing.com/ is super creepy today |
| 19:03.21 | Ironii | hmph, i hate doing it in wa :( |
| 19:03.48 | Fisker | trips and hugtackles Cairenn |
| 19:04.03 | Cairenn | smoogles Fisker |
| 19:06.38 | Amarande | nono Torhal, you're supposed to report him AFK |
| 19:07.14 | Amarande | fewyn: dude, why are you using Bing :) |
| 19:07.43 | fewyn | because i actually like it? also i'm friends with a few msft employees who pointed out to me |
| 19:08.04 | Constie | Liking Bing is so lame. All the cool kids like Google. |
| 19:08.34 | Mr_Rabies | if it makes you feel any better Amarande i think i'm friends with at least one of the same microsoft employees and i hate it :v |
| 19:09.00 | fewyn | i'm like the only wp8 user on the internet |
| 19:09.02 | fewyn | and i love it |
| 19:09.02 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:09.11 | fewyn | I <3 my lumia |
| 19:09.15 | Fisker | Maybe I'll make a portal of a lifetime in anaheim |
| 19:09.19 | Fisker | And you'll have to go |
| 19:09.32 | fewyn | i also like windows 8 so i'm pretty much going against everyone else on the internet |
| 19:10.25 | Fisker | It's like a better version of windows 7 |
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| 19:10.44 | relaxok | im using 8.1 but i had a fuck of a time installing it on a new macbook w/bootcamp |
| 19:11.07 | fewyn | it is Fisker |
| 19:11.28 | fewyn | i have windows 10 installed on my laptop |
| 19:11.44 | fewyn | the "start menu" returned and it's pretty nice |
| 19:12.04 | fewyn | combines some of the things i like about the w8 start screen with the "legacy" start menu everyone loves |
| 19:12.14 | relaxok | in 8.1 personally i just like hitting the windows key then typing a few characters and hitting enter |
| 19:12.20 | Constie | I also like Windows 8! I'm pretty bad at hating things that the internet tells me I'm supposed to hate for validation among mainstream nerds. |
| 19:12.25 | relaxok | better than navigating start programs |
| 19:12.36 | relaxok | and i sort by most used |
| 19:12.38 | jleclanche | Fisker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJD1Iwy5lUY#t=1m40s |
| 19:12.44 | relaxok | so i can click if i really want to for most things |
| 19:13.41 | Amarande | 8.1 is nice ... 8.0 suffered from a few maladies, such as forcing you to log in to the bubblegum tiles screen instead of the desktop |
| 19:13.55 | fewyn | relaxok: that's pretty much how i've used the start menu always |
| 19:13.59 | fewyn | back in 7 |
| 19:14.01 | Amarande | but hey, Modern is still miles ahead of, say, GNOME 3 |
| 19:14.34 | Constie | Here's something people used to willingly look at all day: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Windows_XP_SP3.png |
| 19:15.11 | Amarande | ugh control panel category view |
| 19:15.21 | Amarande | that's one thing I definitely find myself hating on a regular basis |
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| 19:15.29 | fewyn | i always turn it off |
| 19:15.31 | fewyn | every time |
| 19:15.36 | fewyn | i see no point in it |
| 19:15.37 | Amarande | usually when I'm trying to help a friend whose computer I'm not able to see, and I need them to go into control panel |
| 19:15.55 | Amarande | and I can't remember where the eff a given applet (that I'm used to using from the tile view) is filed in the category view :P |
| 19:16.29 | Constie | Well, you can search for them. |
| 19:16.47 | relaxok | Constie: http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/full/win31.png |
| 19:17.01 | relaxok | Constie: even worse |
| 19:17.04 | Constie | I had a computer with that for a while! |
| 19:17.12 | Amarande | Constie: just remember to have a healthy disdain for Call of Duty :) |
| 19:17.16 | relaxok | i actually didn't use Windows until windows 2000.. it was pretty much absolutely horrible until then |
| 19:17.27 | Amarande | ... especially since there's a lot of sentiment that friggin CoD is the reason that WoD costs more :( |
| 19:17.28 | relaxok | i was fine with DOS outside of the uh.. lack of multitasking |
| 19:17.43 | Constie | I think that looks better than XP, actually, aside from the gray background. |
| 19:18.16 | Amarande | yuck, 3.1 |
| 19:18.17 | Constie | It's very programmer art, but still. |
| 19:18.17 | relaxok | i cant stand the old button styles |
| 19:18.25 | relaxok | button/windows |
| 19:18.27 | Amarande | I remember when that was considered state of the art, LOL |
| 19:18.47 | Constie | Windows! Plural! Wow! |
| 19:19.01 | relaxok | it's still really common to find windows xp machines with default theme |
| 19:19.03 | relaxok | in various offices |
| 19:19.11 | Amarande | Back when you still had to specify in DOS software that you needed to have 640KB of RAM |
| 19:19.25 | Amarande | Back when "a 386 or higher" was still apparently relevant, too |
| 19:19.44 | relaxok | i used a computer until 1993 that had no extended RAM |
| 19:19.47 | relaxok | at all |
| 19:19.48 | relaxok | just 640k |
| 19:19.58 | relaxok | quite painful |
| 19:20.40 | Amarande | did any of the rest of you get irritated at the fact that WoD is priced higher than any other expansion so far? |
| 19:21.01 | fewyn | [14:18:42] You receive loot: [Reins of the Azure Drake]. |
| 19:21.04 | relaxok | i ordered it the other day but didnt pay attention to the price |
| 19:21.06 | fewyn | woo |
| 19:21.12 | fewyn | i hate vehicle fights |
| 19:21.43 | Amarande | hah, Malygos |
| 19:21.49 | Constie | I seem to recall hearing it isn't if you adjust for inflation. |
| 19:22.02 | Amarande | I still remember that one evening after raid when we decided to do some lower tier content |
| 19:22.04 | fewyn | Amarande: yeah i wasn't expecting it |
| 19:22.07 | fewyn | CE was 100$ |
| 19:22.14 | fewyn | normally it's 80$ |
| 19:22.16 | Shirik | I'm still annoyed that you even have to buy them |
| 19:22.20 | Amarande | and since we were geared to the gills in ICC10 (partly heroic) stuff, I figured I'd announce a drinking game |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | is the monthly fee not enough? |
| 19:22.24 | Amarande | "every time you die, take a shot" |
| 19:22.32 | relaxok | i have the WOTLK CE... these new 'digital CE' things seem super lame.. you get nothing pretty much |
| 19:22.44 | fewyn | i have every CE now except vanilla |
| 19:23.05 | relaxok | that would be so sick to have the vanilla one |
| 19:23.17 | Amarande | relaxok: plus most of the CE digital stuff isn't even FOR WOW |
| 19:23.33 | relaxok | yeah |
| 19:23.38 | fewyn | http://1drv.ms/1oe7rfJ that's a picture of almost all the CEs i own |
| 19:23.47 | relaxok | i am always up for the possibility of getting the CE.. but i saw that and just laughed |
| 19:23.48 | Amarande | that'd be like if the Inquisitor edition of DA:I came with a special shiny sword for DA:I, 1000 free SW:TOR cartel coins, and a voucher for Mass Effect 3 DLC |
| 19:24.01 | relaxok | lol |
| 19:24.05 | Amarande | (mind you, I wouldn't mind 1000 free SW:TOR cartel coins, but still) |
| 19:24.17 | relaxok | very cool fewyn |
| 19:24.45 | fewyn | the only CE it doesn't show in that picture is my 10 year CE for EVE |
| 19:24.45 | Mr_Rabies | ok so the idea i had to make a guild blacklist for officers didn't work... is there any kind of note sharing addon or something we could use? |
| 19:24.46 | Amarande | I saw a Mists CE still sitting on the shelf in the Best Buy in Crestwood, Illinois a couple weeks ago |
| 19:25.19 | Mr_Rabies | we've had some problem members in the past and want to have a record of which jerks are 100% off-limits to reinvitation |
| 19:25.23 | Amarande | Shirik: not for Activision, apparently |
| 19:25.34 | Amarande | And that's despite the fact that figures apparently indicate that 80% of WoW's revenue is pure profit |
| 19:25.43 | Amarande | it kind of lends credence to that sinking feeling, actually :| |
| 19:26.11 | Amarande | namely that WoW players are being treated by Activision (not by Blizzard, mind you, but by the *parent company*) as a herd of loyal cattle to be milked for far more cash than is needed |
| 19:26.21 | Amarande | presumably so that they can send that money over to Infinity Ward, I betcha |
| 19:27.07 | Amarande | given that on the CoD side of things apparently a lot of gamers are balking at the idea of raising the price of CoD to meet rising graphical costs (for a realistic shooter where that matters a lot more than in a game with a more comic book style like WoW's) |
| 19:27.16 | Amarande | and there's only so far you can wrench them to buy the DLC, either |
| 19:27.21 | relaxok | fewyn: i have an original release EVE box from the simon & schuster publishing |
| 19:27.25 | relaxok | fewyn: i got it on release day |
| 19:27.27 | Constie | Activi$ion fucks us again. |
| 19:27.30 | fewyn | jelly relaxok |
| 19:27.31 | relaxok | fewyn: it was totally unknown then |
| 19:27.34 | fewyn | yeah |
| 19:27.37 | fewyn | i played back then too |
| 19:27.39 | Shirik | tbh |
| 19:27.44 | Shirik | I think the answer is "because people will pay for it" |
| 19:27.47 | fewyn | i actually just quit EVE again |
| 19:27.51 | fewyn | two months ago |
| 19:28.03 | fewyn | i was running 5 accounts |
| 19:28.08 | Shirik | I suspect they have no evidence to suggest that they would make more money by making the expansions free |
| 19:28.09 | fewyn | but plex prices had gotten too high |
| 19:28.24 | Constie | I mean, I'd be more concerned about the monthly $15 than the $50-$60 every two years. |
| 19:28.24 | Amarande | why the heck did Blizzard sell out to Activision in the first place anyway? they seem to have always been making money hand over fist just fine on their own :S |
| 19:28.35 | relaxok | good question |
| 19:28.38 | Shirik | Amarande: the question always comes down to money |
| 19:28.39 | fewyn | they wanted to get away from viviendi |
| 19:28.42 | relaxok | i'm not sure what activision provided them |
| 19:28.48 | Shirik | even microsoft can be bought |
| 19:28.51 | fewyn | because they kept raiding them for money |
| 19:28.52 | fewyn | i think |
| 19:28.53 | Shirik | it would take a hell of a lot of money |
| 19:29.05 | Amarande | yeah, now activision raids them for money :( |
| 19:29.07 | Shirik | but just because you're making tons of money doesn't mean you shouldn't take an absurdly high amount of immediate money |
| 19:29.19 | fewyn | activision is better about it than viviendi tho |
| 19:29.24 | Amarande | it makes one end up with more respect for, I hate to say it, but ... EA, LOL |
| 19:29.31 | relaxok | Take Two =) |
| 19:29.52 | Amarande | and I used to hate EA with the fury of a thousand suns, pretty much until they bought Bioware basically |
| 19:30.11 | Amarande | (then again ... I was an Ultima fan, so I had my reason right there) |
| 19:30.13 | fewyn | eh EA isn't all bad |
| 19:30.26 | fewyn | they make bad decisions tho |
| 19:30.40 | Amarande | heh, like that mobile remake of Dungeon Keeper? |
| 19:31.18 | Amarande | the one that got ratings of 1 or even 0 from pro reviewers, the kind where normally a game could sell their own mother to white slavers and that would still only knock it down to an eight or so, maybe a seven if it's especially egregious about it :) |
| 19:31.28 | Amarande | because, well, it was so microtransaction hell that it basically wasn't even a game |
| 19:31.58 | foxlit | it's inappropriate to blame that game for its microtransactions. |
| 19:32.15 | relaxok | im amazed at how long some of the early Ultima games are.. there's a longplay youtube of one of the first few and its like 20 hours |
| 19:32.40 | foxlit | its much more significant problem is that there's ultimately about 15 minutes worth of repetitive gameplay. |
| 19:32.52 | Amarande | relaxok: probably II or III |
| 19:33.15 | relaxok | not bad for 1986 or whatever |
| 19:33.48 | Amarande | III was pretty long with, most notably, very little room for shortcuts (the Avatar trilogy was especially easy to complete rapidly, I've done V "ODINS" style without breaking a sweat) and you had to be very careful at all times |
| 19:33.51 | relaxok | 1982 or 3 for II/III! |
| 19:33.57 | Amarande | especially with how deadly some things that are pretty minor now were in that game |
| 19:33.58 | Amarande | like poison |
| 19:34.11 | Amarande | because of the way the MP system worked in III, "cure poison" was a legendary epic spell |
| 19:34.45 | Amarande | II is, essentially, a tile roguelike, right down to the whole perma death thing, and you have to take it painfully slowly and baby-steps to have a chance |
| 19:35.03 | relaxok | permadeath is...... |
| 19:35.04 | relaxok | no |
| 19:35.20 | Amarande | yup, if you died in Ultima II it got saved to your game file and that was it |
| 19:35.30 | Amarande | if you reloaded, it just immediately said "(Name) is dead!" |
| 19:35.59 | relaxok | lol |
| 19:36.03 | relaxok | and that wasnt a bug? |
| 19:36.05 | Amarande | III saved deaths to the game file too, but it had a party, so much like Bard's Tale or Wizardry you could create other characters to rez them with |
| 19:36.08 | Amarande | nope, that wasn't a bug |
| 19:36.25 | Amarande | and speaking of Wizardry |
| 19:36.38 | Amarande | even Ultima II was easy compared to some of those games apparently ... like kids these days complain "omg RPGs are so hard" |
| 19:36.44 | Amarande | two words, buster brown ... "Wizardry IV" |
| 19:37.09 | Amarande | possibly the single hardest RPG ever made, apart from extreme voluntary challenge condition sets in some JRPGs |
| 19:38.51 | Mr_Rabies | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1S-z12CUAAPoZM.jpg:large |
| 19:38.53 | Mr_Rabies | GENIUS |
| 19:40.01 | Amarande | but yeh, the trouble is, WoD has competition, and WoD isn't competing well with it |
| 19:40.21 | Mr_Rabies | it has competition? |
| 19:40.25 | fewyn | what |
| 19:40.29 | Mr_Rabies | with what? |
| 19:40.39 | fewyn | i want one of whatever Amarande is smoking |
| 19:40.51 | Mr_Rabies | also blizzard isn't owned by activision |
| 19:40.52 | Constie | That's the spookiest weather report I've ever seen. |
| 19:40.53 | relaxok | its clearly, clearly better than any competition |
| 19:41.04 | fewyn | blizzard is activision |
| 19:41.17 | fewyn | activision is blizzard |
| 19:41.18 | Mr_Rabies | they were owned by viviendi and vivendi merged with activision and became activision blizzard |
| 19:41.31 | Constie | Activi$$ard is intentionally destroying WoW to make more profit. |
| 19:41.35 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: let's see ... you can get wildstar for about the same price (less really, considering when you get a brand new game you get a month free generally), or your first month of TESO for about the price of WoD + November's sub |
| 19:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | basically vivendi's gaming department ceased to exist |
| 19:41.45 | fewyn | wildstar is crashing hard |
| 19:41.48 | fewyn | that's not competition |
| 19:41.49 | fewyn | sorry |
| 19:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | neither are really competition |
| 19:42.03 | Mr_Rabies | i wish at least wildstar was |
| 19:42.03 | fewyn | and lololol teso |
| 19:42.05 | Amarande | (not that I'm really that keen on TESO ... it seems like a rather large initial price outlay, and I'm also reading that they went overboard on the preorder bonuses ... like certain *race/class combos* are for preorderers only, even) |
| 19:42.13 | fewyn | no |
| 19:42.15 | fewyn | it's bad |
| 19:42.18 | fewyn | once you hit "cap" |
| 19:42.22 | fewyn | you have to grind further |
| 19:42.25 | fewyn | and it takes forever |
| 19:42.27 | fewyn | it's bad |
| 19:42.27 | Amarande | SW:TOR has an expansion coming out around the same time as WoD, and it's only $20 |
| 19:42.34 | fewyn | swtor is doing good |
| 19:42.42 | fewyn | but it's still not competition for warlords |
| 19:42.43 | Amarande | though if it's as lukewarm as the last SW:TOR expansion was ... :( |
| 19:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | TES games already don't really interest me other than goofing around with mods, and an MMO version 1) wouldn't have mods and 2) is an mmo game populated by people that love TES games |
| 19:42.45 | Constie | I think WoW's pricing really has a lot more to do with it being from 2004 and Blizzard not being super quick to change things, especially things that have been working so far. |
| 19:42.57 | Amarande | that's the problem with TOR, the 1-50 content is super awesome and then the expansion stuff is kind of meh by comparison :( |
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| 19:43.20 | fewyn | i played TESO throughout alpha/beta and well into live |
| 19:43.39 | fewyn | you level once through the story... then they make you level again through the other factions story |
| 19:43.47 | fewyn | it just gets so boring around VR2 |
| 19:43.51 | Amarande | then there's FFXIV, which has similar sub costs to WoW but costs only half as much (and that $25 gets you a whole game atm, not just an expansion pack) |
| 19:43.54 | fewyn | so i gave up |
| 19:43.57 | relaxok | Amarande: vanilla had that problem, solved quite handily in all the 1.x patches and then BC |
| 19:44.03 | fewyn | FFXIV is fun, i'm actually playing it still |
| 19:44.08 | fewyn | it compliments my wow experience |
| 19:44.18 | fewyn | i'll probably not play it much during the first few months of warlords though |
| 19:44.31 | Amarande | I'd mention a certain Middle Earth based game, but Torhal hates it when I do so, plus its expansion packs are 50 bucks too :P (although Turbine gives sweet discounts on subs when you go more than 1 month at a time) |
| 19:44.42 | relaxok | are people really so poor that they'll decide which game to play for thousands of hours based on the point of purchase price being $25 vs $50? |
| 19:44.57 | fewyn | maybe in some bizzaro world relaxok |
| 19:45.21 | fewyn | while i'm not totally happy with the CE prices for expansions |
| 19:45.21 | Amarande | relaxok: well, with WoD vs. FFXIV, it's not just $25 vs $50, it's WHOLE GAME for $25 vs. just an expansion pack for $50 |
| 19:45.25 | relaxok | people talk about price so much.. it's all SUPER cheap unless you're literally buying every game that comes out |
| 19:45.26 | fewyn | i still think i get my money worth |
| 19:45.36 | Constie | I mean, some people are that poor, and MMORPGs are good games to play if you want to get a lot of entertainment hours out of little money. |
| 19:46.26 | foxlit | in mildly related news, GW2 is 50% off at the moment. You probably should pick it up if you have the time; there's also no monthly subscription. |
| 19:46.32 | g0urra | so customs charge twice for "administration fee" for the blizzcon merchandise, that's cool |
| 19:46.44 | fewyn | gw2 is interesting game |
| 19:46.49 | Amarande | also, Christmas shopping season is coming up, so people tend to have a lot of their money already earmarked around this time of year |
| 19:46.58 | fewyn | i got to cap on one character then couldn't find anyone i wanted to play with |
| 19:46.58 | Amarande | yeah, GW2 looks interesting. Pity I can't carry over anything from GW1 anymore :( |
| 19:47.00 | fewyn | so i gavew up |
| 19:47.13 | Constie | GW2 is pretty cool and fun. I didn't play it or FF14 super much, but they gave me some good food for thought about WoW. |
| 19:47.14 | relaxok | a friend got me to play GW1 once.. i was like.. i can't jump? alt-f4 |
| 19:47.34 | Amarande | hah, yeah, that's one thing that always got to me when I tried to go back to Guild Wars after playing modern MMOs |
| 19:47.41 | fewyn | i'm currently levelign armorer in ffxiv http://uplol.fewyn.net/2014-10-31_14-47-38.png |
| 19:47.46 | fewyn | almost have everything to cap |
| 19:47.53 | fewyn | they actually just released a new class/job this week |
| 19:47.54 | Amarande | I would always try to jump |
| 19:47.56 | fewyn | (rogue/ninja) |
| 19:48.04 | Amarande | also keep trying to use wow hotkeys which aren't correct in GW |
| 19:48.18 | g0urra | fewyn: I've got all DoH and DoL to 50 |
| 19:48.21 | Constie | FF14 in particular has a lot of wonderful modernities about it that I wish WoW would pick up. |
| 19:48.33 | fewyn | such as what Constie? |
| 19:48.35 | g0urra | I can't remember if I got one of them or a combat class to 50 first |
| 19:48.38 | Amarande | fewyn, you don't have scholar unlocked yet? :) |
| 19:48.42 | foxlit | marrowgar bone-spikes solo players during bone storm. |
| 19:48.47 | fewyn | i have all the jobs so far Amarande |
| 19:48.59 | fewyn | except the classes i haven't leveled yet |
| 19:49.18 | g0urra | like dragoon, warrior and paladin |
| 19:49.26 | g0urra | god I hate tanking as paladin |
| 19:49.31 | fewyn | yeah i think those are the only ones i'm missing |
| 19:49.31 | fewyn | atm |
| 19:49.53 | fewyn | i'm working on DoH stuff atm |
| 19:50.05 | Constie | fewyn: I actually can't remember many specific examples right now, but I definitely noticed a bunch of things while playing. It's been a while. |
| 19:50.15 | Amarande | also, other reason to get off the wow bus for a while |
| 19:50.26 | Constie | But there's the UI customization and job switching and stuff. |
| 19:50.31 | Amarande | I struggled in BC, but that was my first taste of WoW and I got into it late |
| 19:50.33 | jnwhiteh | Why doesn't someone buy the trade rights to the HTC Hero and drop new technology in the phone and re-release it. |
| 19:50.45 | Amarande | Wrath was the pinnacle for me ... and Cata and Mists never really quite brought the magic back, much as I wanted them to :( |
| 19:50.58 | fewyn | i love the job switching stuff |
| 19:51.01 | fewyn | that'd be amazing in wow |
| 19:51.08 | fewyn | but i don't picture that happening |
| 19:51.08 | Amarande | yeah, no need for alts :) |
| 19:51.17 | g0urra | and HUGE inventory |
| 19:51.22 | fewyn | oh god imagine the bag space issues |
| 19:51.23 | fewyn | with that |
| 19:51.28 | Amarande | hah |
| 19:51.29 | Amarande | yeah |
| 19:51.29 | fewyn | i love retainers too |
| 19:51.32 | Constie | I have that phone! Finally replaced it the other month with a Nexus 5. Bit of an upgrade. |
| 19:51.34 | fewyn | in ffxiv |
| 19:51.38 | Amarande | remember when Druids had a hellish time of it in WoW? |
| 19:51.48 | Amarande | because of the fact that they were half the time expected to carry forty billion pieces of spare gear? |
| 19:51.48 | fewyn | you can send them on missions and stuff... i think that might be where they got garrison missions from |
| 19:52.04 | Amarande | like first you gotta have your kitty set and your tank set and sometimes your healy set |
| 19:52.08 | Amarande | then you gotta have your backup weapons ... heh |
| 19:52.24 | g0urra | WoD has implemented a lot of stuff that's already been in other games for years |
| 19:52.44 | g0urra | like crafting stuff that's in your bank, which is from Rift |
| 19:52.46 | Amarande | And meanwhile Hunters and Warlocks whined about needing to give up a bag for ammo or shards |
| 19:52.57 | Amarande | At least they were only DPS and didn't have to carry around whole extra off-role sets :P |
| 19:53.11 | foxlit | ... but can't really outdamage ysera's gift. I wonder what the berserk timer is. |
| 19:53.16 | Amarande | yeah, SW:TOR has craft from bank, too |
| 19:53.32 | fewyn | doesn't gw2 also? |
| 19:53.33 | Mr_Rabies | back when that was an issue, it was a real issue |
| 19:53.35 | fewyn | well the collections thign |
| 19:53.47 | Simca | druids in Vanilla/TBC didn't have any expectation to carry around a lot of gear |
| 19:53.51 | Mr_Rabies | an offset set was about 8-10 slots |
| 19:53.51 | Simca | there was only viable spec |
| 19:53.52 | foxlit | yes. gw2's crafting is love. |
| 19:53.54 | Simca | Restoration |
| 19:53.56 | Constie | I think that's a large part of WoW's lasting success, that they keep making sure that WoW doesn't lack too many good and convenient things people come up with for other MMOs. |
| 19:53.57 | Amarande | and LOTRO had built in quest hints on map and direct warp to dungeon before WoW did, too |
| 19:54.03 | Mr_Rabies | feral was fully viable by TBC |
| 19:54.04 | Simca | every other druid spec was garbage for the first four years |
| 19:54.11 | fewyn | crafting in wow needs to be tossed andc completely redone |
| 19:54.11 | fewyn | imo |
| 19:54.17 | Amarande | actually, LOTRO's instance entrance system is still superior, even if you out level an instance you can still use the instance UI to go straight there instead of having to walk |
| 19:54.18 | Simca | if you wanted to be a gimped warrior, sure it was viable |
| 19:54.29 | Constie | Oh, FF14 crafting. It's so much more involved. |
| 19:54.29 | fewyn | making inks |
| 19:54.30 | fewyn | god |
| 19:54.33 | fewyn | that takes forever |
| 19:54.47 | Amarande | while with WoW when you get too high level to queue, gotta walk ... sucked to be you if it was Stocks or RFC and you were the wrong faction and didn't get the cheeve in time, back before cheeves were account shared |
| 19:54.49 | Constie | I also really enjoyed fishing in FF14. |
| 19:54.55 | Mr_Rabies | feral was entirely nonviable until 1.7 or so, then it was mostly just bad but if you really worked for gear you could do -okay- once the AQ and BWL gear was a thing |
| 19:55.04 | Mr_Rabies | but in TBC, you could do good dps or tank fine as feral |
| 19:55.15 | Amarande | yeah, you can actually fish in FF14 it sounds like |
| 19:55.17 | fewyn | i was an offtank feral druid in TBC |
| 19:55.21 | Mr_Rabies | (i've been feral since before it was viable) |
| 19:55.25 | Amarande | unlike FF11, where it was a good way to get accused of botting |
| 19:55.29 | Simca | there was still never a situation, even in TBC |
| 19:55.36 | fewyn | hey |
| 19:55.39 | Simca | where you were like 'got i wish i had a druid' |
| 19:55.40 | fewyn | i offtanked hyjal |
| 19:55.42 | fewyn | and black temple |
| 19:55.47 | Amarande | and Square were like, super fascist about cheating in FF11 ... they'd ban people right when someone reported them, seemingly without investigation |
| 19:55.51 | Simca | you were like 'i wish i had a warrior, or a druid if there weren't any warriors' |
| 19:55.53 | foxlit | wow. The bone spike timed out. |
| 19:56.02 | Mr_Rabies | feral was pretty great at tanking and doing insane damage in tbc |
| 19:56.17 | Mr_Rabies | tons of hp, barely any spike damage |
| 19:56.30 | Mr_Rabies | but tons of dps output |
| 19:56.38 | fewyn | swipe |
| 19:56.39 | fewyn | swipe |
| 19:56.47 | Mr_Rabies | now it's |
| 19:56.49 | Amarande | I didn't really play very much of FF11 though ... the play mentality demanded just didn't grab me, plus the inability to alt-tab |
| 19:56.51 | Mr_Rabies | THRASH THRASH THRASH |
| 19:56.54 | Amarande | FF14 looks much more my thing |
| 19:57.01 | Simca | it was the lack of utility that was killer for feral and prot paladins tanking |
| 19:57.17 | Simca | less cooldowns, less raid utility, less mobility |
| 19:57.18 | Mr_Rabies | then again i got stuck in the tbc raiding hole |
| 19:57.21 | Simca | until wrath |
| 19:57.26 | Mr_Rabies | never really got out of karazhan |
| 19:57.34 | Mr_Rabies | and gruul |
| 19:57.50 | Amarande | I didn't even get to see Gruul till ... Cata, I think |
| 19:57.54 | *** join/#wowuidev kagaro (~kagaro@cpe-173-095-140-190.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 19:58.07 | Mr_Rabies | between the awful raid design in TBC and the daily quests, i quit until ICC was a thing |
| 19:58.19 | fewyn | DAT HYBRID TAX |
| 19:58.21 | Amarande | I got to 70 on my warlock about 7 months before Wrath dropped |
| 19:58.22 | jleclanche | ~seen callahad |
| 19:58.26 | purl | i haven't seen 'callahad', jleclanche |
| 19:58.35 | Mr_Rabies | hybrid tax wasn't really much of a thing even in tbc, just some weird itemization still early on |
| 19:58.45 | Amarande | Had the apparently fatal audacity to not take Tailoring |
| 19:58.52 | Mr_Rabies | you still had to work pretty hard to get the right gear since the actual druid gear was poorly itemized |
| 19:58.53 | Amarande | I mean seriously! I already HAD a Tailor! Why would I do it a second time? :) |
| 19:59.21 | Simca | well now you don't need any professioins |
| 19:59.23 | Amarande | but yeah, couldn't afford most of the AH epics, couldn't get a group for Heroics (they wanted T5 to do heroics at that point ...) |
| 19:59.25 | Simca | professions* |
| 19:59.28 | Simca | since your garrison has them all |
| 19:59.39 | fewyn | and none of them provide combat perks |
| 19:59.43 | fewyn | so no reason to have any |
| 20:00.00 | Amarande | people would say "do pvp" as a way to get bootstrapped on gear instead |
| 20:00.04 | Amarande | but ... warlock. late BC. ugh. |
| 20:00.16 | Amarande | and horde on Stormstrike battlegroup at that |
| 20:01.32 | Mr_Rabies | professions were seriously the most outdated gameplay mechanic in wow, so i'm interested to see what garrisons do with them |
| 20:03.19 | Simca | you can build any profession building in your garrison and access an npc who will make anything from that profession for WoD with the same mats that it would require if you made it |
| 20:03.23 | Amarande | the latter being significant because, well, back then AV was by far the most efficient way to get honour |
| 20:03.39 | Amarande | but on that battlegroup, Horde won AV so often that Alliance mostly refused to queue anymore |
| 20:03.41 | Simca | but it will take you longer since you don't get access to the daily cooldown |
| 20:03.41 | Amarande | hi there, 3 hour queues |
| 20:03.47 | Simca | only work orders, which are slower |
| 20:03.55 | Constie | I thought the garrison things couldn't make some of the high-end gear and stuff. |
| 20:04.05 | Simca | they can make all of the high end gear |
| 20:04.11 | Constie | Neat. |
| 20:04.16 | Simca | at least at the level 3 version of the building |
| 20:04.44 | Amarande | yeah, I think I'll look forward to FFXIV's crafting system |
| 20:04.48 | g0urra | which will probably take a lot of time and money to get to, right? |
| 20:04.54 | g0urra | (garrison upgrades) |
| 20:05.00 | Amarande | (also, everything in FFXIV will be shiny and new for me, which is not the case for anything but the latest stuff in WoW) |
| 20:05.10 | Simca | 250 work orders, so at least a few days, yeah |
| 20:05.12 | g0urra | Amarande: I love how the crafting system is kind of a game on its own |
| 20:05.23 | fewyn | FFXIV has wait timers in the macros |
| 20:05.31 | fewyn | so people have created http://ffxiv.lokyst.net/ |
| 20:05.40 | fewyn | which calcs the best macro to use to HQ items |
| 20:05.44 | Simca | work orders are every 4 hours, and if you used every single work order (11), then... |
| 20:05.45 | fewyn | or just create items |
| 20:05.49 | Amarande | g0urra: and you just have your mats go poof if you fail right? :) |
| 20:05.58 | fewyn | not always but yes Amarande |
| 20:06.01 | g0urra | most of the time |
| 20:06.03 | Amarande | not like, say, LOTRO, which is almost as chance based, but failures leave you with full bags that you have to lug to the vendor |
| 20:06.24 | Amarande | (with LOTRO, basically, only the critical success crafted items are any good, the yellow name items are mostly junk) |
| 20:06.48 | g0urra | there's fails, normal quality and high quality |
| 20:07.04 | Simca | g0urra: yeah, roughly 15.15 days if you did every work order from every building (and you picked only buildings which can do work orders) to get level 3 profession buildings |
| 20:07.23 | fewyn | i'm still not sure what buildings i want |
| 20:07.37 | Amarande | yeah, I think that's another thing that bothered me about WoW in Mists |
| 20:07.40 | Simca | it is an account-wide unlock though, so it might count work orders across the account in which case alts would speed it up |
| 20:07.40 | g0urra | oh nice, there's 120Hz 1920p preset in FFXIV |
| 20:07.44 | Amarande | too much emphasis on dragging things out |
| 20:07.56 | g0urra | ok the monitor didn't like that |
| 20:08.12 | Amarande | there was daily cooldown stuff in earlier expansions but it never seemed to be quite so in your face |
| 20:08.45 | Amarande | it made me annoyed at cooking, for gods' sakes. COOKING. which used to be one of my faves, even |
| 20:09.53 | Simca | daily cooldowns are based on a recharge in this expansion at least |
| 20:10.05 | Simca | 3 charges, 24 hr recharge per charge |
| 20:10.10 | Mr_Rabies | cooking is getting almost everything from MoP removed, thankfully |
| 20:10.14 | fewyn | yeah i love the recharge thing |
| 20:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why they thought anything about cooking was a good design choice with MoP |
| 20:10.36 | Simca | i know a lot of people who liked it |
| 20:10.36 | fewyn | yeah that made no sense to me either Mr_Rabies |
| 20:10.44 | Simca | but i wasn't thrilled |
| 20:11.02 | Mr_Rabies | i still think at the very least secondary professions should be account-wide |
| 20:11.14 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really see why they're not other than for RP purposes |
| 20:11.17 | Simca | i could live with account-wide fishing |
| 20:11.30 | Mr_Rabies | but still, no real reason to hamstring gameplay for RP |
| 20:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | either make secondary professions compelling and fun to level or bite the bullet and share them |
| 20:12.18 | Semlar | i'm probably going to drop engineering |
| 20:12.41 | fewyn | you can't use gliders in combat anymore |
| 20:12.47 | fewyn | that almost killed me last weekend |
| 20:12.53 | fewyn | i was jumping off the tower on galakras |
| 20:13.00 | fewyn | i was like WHY ISN'T GLIDER WORKING |
| 20:13.03 | Semlar | on the plus side i can now use aspect of the fox and mount a flying mount while falling |
| 20:13.04 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i coulda sworn i did |
| 20:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not |
| 20:13.06 | Amarande | well, the 'cooking paths' thing wasn't so bad |
| 20:13.10 | fewyn | you didn't Mr_Rabies |
| 20:13.20 | Amarande | the real problem with MoP cooking was the ridic amount of mats you needed to craft with compared to the past |
| 20:13.28 | Semlar | and the rocket boots got nerfed into the ground |
| 20:13.33 | Semlar | they are just not the same |
| 20:13.37 | Amarande | and the fact that the only way to get them in any kind of quantity was to use your own farm, so you were held fast by the slow daily process |
| 20:13.40 | Mr_Rabies | i probably should switch to gnomish engineering |
| 20:13.57 | Mr_Rabies | toys are gonna be way better than explosives, but i guess i should look up what they're adding for MoP |
| 20:13.58 | fewyn | i need to switch to get the toys |
| 20:14.02 | g0urra | fffffff, all my settings were reset |
| 20:14.05 | g0urra | thanks SE |
| 20:14.11 | Semlar | MoP more like WoD |
| 20:14.23 | Amarande | g0urra: heh, I guess it's a good thing I'll be starting the game tomorrow at the earliest then? :) |
| 20:14.31 | Constie | Nitro Boosts are so sad now. |
| 20:14.41 | Amarande | or is this just another one of those "oh hey! we've revamped classes & all your talents got reset" things like WoW and LOTRO have both done in past? |
| 20:14.42 | fewyn | i hope this cold is over before blizzcon |
| 20:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | so slow |
| 20:14.46 | fewyn | i don't want to bring ebola to blizzcon |
| 20:16.24 | Semlar | quarantines fewyn |
| 20:16.30 | fewyn | i'm from dallas |
| 20:16.33 | fewyn | so i could bring ebola |
| 20:16.45 | Amarande | fewyn: there's worse things to catch from Dallas |
| 20:16.58 | Amarande | such as the desire to root for the Cowboys |
| 20:17.04 | Amarande | which is far, far, far worse than Ebola |
| 20:17.07 | fewyn | who the hell roots for the cowboys |
| 20:17.07 | fewyn | ewww |
| 20:17.33 | fewyn | i'm born and bred a dolphins fan |
| 20:19.13 | Amarande | I've been rooting for the Giants and Eagles lately ... had to stop the Eagles for a while because they had that piece of worthlessness on their team, but now that's the Jets' problem |
| 20:19.25 | fewyn | fuck the jets |
| 20:19.26 | Amarande | looks more like an Eagle than a Giant year though ... the Giants seem to be wanting to do their best impression of a Dyson vac |
| 20:19.38 | Amarande | also I'm required to root for the Bears, because my fiancee's from IL |
| 20:20.50 | fewyn | my first name is Dan, and according to my father i'm named after Dan Marino |
| 20:21.37 | fewyn | not sure how much to believe of that though |
| 20:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 20:21.53 | Mr_Rabies | you are from florida |
| 20:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | i believe it |
| 20:22.21 | fewyn | true |
| 20:22.57 | Mr_Rabies | i can't into sportball |
| 20:23.06 | fewyn | i am watching more soccer lately |
| 20:23.16 | Amarande | yeah I don't watch football very much anymore |
| 20:23.35 | Amarande | with all the constant rules bending for TV's sake, it's getting to be only a little bit more legitimate than the WWE, sports-wise :P |
| 20:23.51 | fewyn | american football games are just so long |
| 20:24.05 | fewyn | while soccer is pretty much 90 minutes |
| 20:24.11 | fewyn | with a few minutes of added time |
| 20:24.13 | Amarande | (and yeah, NFL folks have kind of out and admitted in the news a long time ago that they do tweak the rules constantly) |
| 20:24.17 | fewyn | also no commercials |
| 20:24.37 | g0urra | I just love thie new monitor that can do 120 hz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tEBeMk_Ls |
| 20:24.40 | g0urra | this* |
| 20:24.52 | Amarande | conspiracy perhaps, but I've always wondered if that 18-1 Patriots season was semi-rigged by the NFL, or at least, as rigged as you can have a non-scripted sport be |
| 20:25.14 | Amarande | there was an awful lot of sentiment that the Pats were cut an unusual amount of slack that year |
| 20:25.20 | fewyn | ~72 dolphins bro~ |
| 20:25.24 | Amarande | that was also the year they got the asterisk for being caught spying on the Jets that one game |
| 20:25.39 | Amarande | as for *why* one would conspiracy theorise about that season, well there'd be a simple motive for that |
| 20:26.00 | Amarande | that season was also the fall that TV had the big authors' strike, so networks were probably desperate for something new and showable |
| 20:27.00 | Amarande | and some of the refereeing favouring the Pats was pretty blatant |
| 20:27.26 | Amarande | you had games where it seemed like the Pats defence could maul the other team's QB as much as they wanted, while if anyone came within a parsec or so of Tom Brady it was a 15 yard penalty for interference :P |
| 20:27.45 | Amarande | yeah, football has kind of jumped the shark :| |
| 20:29.13 | Amarande | wonder how much longer it will last ... possibly not much longer, especially with this concussion dementia issue, which seems like it's going to be really hard to address safety-wise without making the game impossibly dull |
| 20:30.09 | Amarande | let's face it, nobody's going to watch the National Flag Football League :) |
| 20:30.33 | fewyn | no fun league |
| 20:30.41 | Amarande | hah, something like that |
| 20:53.24 | kd3 | oh gods, this has not been a good week for private spaceflight. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/virgin-voyage/virgin-galactics-spaceshiptwo-crashes-1-dead-1-injured-n238376 |
| 20:53.41 | VIad | my toybox getting tainted up in here... |
| 20:53.43 | VIad | can't use toys :( |
| 20:54.30 | Mr_Rabies | guys |
| 20:54.32 | Mr_Rabies | i got green fire |
| 20:54.38 | kd3 | grats! |
| 20:54.38 | Mr_Rabies | the bitching can stop |
| 20:54.39 | Mr_Rabies | finally |
| 20:54.43 | Cidan | anyone have blizzcon badges they want to sell me? |
| 20:54.45 | Cidan | sigh |
| 20:54.55 | VIad | Cidan: whats that and for? |
| 20:54.56 | Cidan | totally forgot about it, and I actually live in LA now |
| 20:55.12 | kd3 | actually, yah, I've got one spare |
| 20:55.12 | Cidan | wat |
| 20:55.12 | nevcairiel | someone may still have one if you're lucky |
| 20:56.35 | Fisker | eww VIad |
| 20:57.01 | VIad | probably a thing only those near blizzcons understand :p |
| 20:57.03 | Cidan | okay, that's one badge -- I need one more, anyone else? |
| 20:57.19 | kd3 | may want to check lfblizzcon.com, there may be some left there |
| 20:58.12 | VIad | what Fisker? |
| 20:58.19 | Fisker | your toybox is tainted |
| 20:58.20 | VIad | Cidan: why is it taboo to tell me what it is? |
| 20:58.26 | VIad | yes Fisker, it's dirty |
| 20:59.26 | Mr_Rabies | sorta surpised they let you transfer badges at blizzcon |
| 20:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | they're locked to a person at all the conventions here, nontransferable |
| 20:59.39 | VIad | is it like collect 10 for a blowjob or something? |
| 21:00.06 | VIad | considering how no one says what they are, what for, how to obtain, why to collect them, e.g. :p |
| 21:00.14 | VIad | got to be something one wishes to keep below the radar |
| 21:00.23 | VIad | like trade the badges for some weed |
| 21:05.29 | kd3 | oh, ouch. our first freeze advisory and we may even get some flurries overnight/tomorrow morning |
| 21:05.29 | Amarande | I think DragonCon still lets you transfer badges ... pretty sure JordanCon does, too |
| 21:05.45 | Amarande | kd3: hope it stays flurries |
| 21:05.55 | Amarande | the last time we got a Samhain snowstorm around here it cost me my gaming PC |
| 21:07.03 | Amarande | mind you, for DragonCon in particular, the badge is usually the easiest thing to get :P |
| 21:07.30 | Amarande | pretty sure they still don't even cap badge sales yet ... the problem is actually managing to find a hotel room somewhere closer than Miami or so LOL |
| 21:08.26 | Amarande | blizzcon badges appear to be pretty much legendary though |
| 21:08.55 | Cidan | kd3 where are you |
| 21:09.00 | Cidan | that you're getting flurries |
| 21:09.06 | kd3 | west of atlanta |
| 21:09.22 | Cidan | brr |
| 21:09.42 | phelps | C_Timer allows you to run protected Lua |
| 21:09.48 | phelps | /run C_Timer.NewTicker(3.7, JumpOrAscendStart, nil) |
| 21:10.27 | foxlit | they're aware of it. |
| 21:10.36 | Cidan | wow |
| 21:10.39 | Cidan | that's pretty breaking |
| 21:10.53 | Cidan | auto sorting heal frames, here I come! |
| 21:10.55 | phelps | its pretty awesome |
| 21:11.07 | Cidan | (jk) |
| 21:11.20 | Amarande | phelps: well, running known exploits can save you lots of money, I suppose |
| 21:11.27 | Amarande | like ... about 180 bucks a year, actually |
| 21:11.32 | Cidan | lol |
| 21:11.45 | Cidan | Durations below 0.001 (1 ms) cause all iterations to be run in the same frame as C_Timer.After, whatever the current framerate is. |
| 21:11.58 | Cidan | nuts |
| 21:14.38 | phelps | Amarande, they should fix it then |
| 21:18.05 | g0urra | fewyn: did you know you can buy a sleipnir mount in FF14 |
| 21:18.11 | fewyn | nope |
| 21:18.15 | fewyn | i'm currently unemployed |
| 21:18.22 | fewyn | so not buying anything like that |
| 21:18.31 | g0urra | http://puu.sh/cy3dV/4d4202528b.jpg |
| 21:18.35 | Constie | The fat chocobo mount is also a killer app. |
| 21:18.38 | fewyn | yeah it looks great |
| 21:18.42 | fewyn | i have the fat choco mount |
| 21:18.48 | fewyn | ffxiv ce was great idea |
| 21:18.55 | Constie | http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/images/7/74/Fat_chocobo2.jpg |
| 21:19.02 | kullervo | g0urra: that's missing a few legs |
| 21:20.35 | foxlit | fury of frostmourne is apparently non-fatal at 90. |
| 21:21.17 | Mr_Rabies | it was pre-squish, at least |
| 21:21.21 | Mr_Rabies | dunno about now |
| 21:21.29 | kullervo | no, it wasn't fatal at lvl 80 |
| 21:21.38 | kullervo | tanks could face check it just fine |
| 21:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | wait, is fury of frostmourne not the thing that auto-kills you? |
| 21:22.53 | kd3 | it does a million damage |
| 21:23.00 | kd3 | s/does/did/ |
| 21:23.01 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i meant, the thing that autokills you |
| 21:23.15 | Mr_Rabies | well, is meant to |
| 21:23.52 | Mr_Rabies | where he kills the raid and tries to make you servants and tirion's like JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL |
| 21:23.54 | kd3 | I was always confused by that... the lich king in quests in howling fjord has an attack that insta-kills players, why didn't they use it in the encounter? |
| 21:24.27 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: there isn't anything that autokills you except that one bug that happens if you leave small adds up when you get ported to the sword |
| 21:24.29 | Constie | Raid bosses are really bad at making decisions about what abilities to use. |
| 21:24.29 | foxlit | ultimately, it doesn't matter -- you've won when he casts it. |
| 21:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | probably tried an aoe autokill, but killed tirion as well? i dunno |
| 21:24.34 | Constie | I would just use my enrage right away. |
| 21:24.52 | Mr_Rabies | i mean that's the intent, kullervo |
| 21:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | he's meant to kill the raid and revive them as his minions |
| 21:25.15 | Mr_Rabies | or attempt, at least |
| 21:25.25 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: it'd have "instadeath" flag if it was really intended to be 100% fatal |
| 21:25.44 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, the rp dialog pretty much implies he's meant to have killed you |
| 21:26.05 | Mr_Rabies | i think they just for whatever reason didn't use an aoe instadeath mechanic, maybe some weird issue regarding scripting or something |
| 21:26.51 | Mr_Rabies | so they were like "eh no one's gonna have a million health, aoe x1 million damage, boom everyone's dead |
| 21:27.00 | Mr_Rabies | also i'm so bad at closing quotes |
| 21:27.09 | Mr_Rabies | the quote is still happening and now it's over" |
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| 21:33.43 | Simca | I hope they're going to fix the water in vale soon |
| 21:33.44 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/V5c4rJK.jpg |
| 21:33.47 | Simca | this is getting old |
| 21:34.45 | Semlar | global warming |
| 21:36.36 | Ironii | i don't know which hurts my eyes more, the ui the or bug ;P |
| 21:37.08 | Semlar | probably the square in the dead center of the screen |
| 21:37.21 | Semlar | what is that |
| 21:37.28 | Simca | a button i'm testing |
| 21:37.34 | Mr_Rabies | go in there as a druid in travel form |
| 21:37.38 | Mr_Rabies | shit is CRAZY |
| 21:37.54 | Simca | i play wow to test addons more than i play wow to play wow |
| 21:37.58 | Mr_Rabies | also your action bars scare me |
| 21:38.18 | Simca | tbh i haven't looked at them since before WoD |
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| 21:38.42 | Simca | that's why there are so many gaps |
| 21:38.58 | Simca | (and useless things) |
| 21:42.46 | Simca | well, considering the weapon on bar 4 is from 5.0, I guess I haven't looked at them in a very long time |
| 21:44.13 | Amarande | Constie: RPG bosses are generally bad about making such decisions |
| 21:44.16 | ccox | Cairenn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_ObLZaMAc |
| 21:44.17 | Amarande | which is probably a good thing in many cases |
| 21:44.29 | ccox | Cairenn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOH0hE2bo7s |
| 21:44.31 | Amarande | Shin Megami Tensei games, say, would be *really* baldness inducing if that wasn't the case |
| 21:44.47 | Amarande | actually, I daresay if some SMT bosses used their abilities to best efficiency like they might if they were player controlled? |
| 21:44.57 | Amarande | the series would probably be harder than '80s Wizardry games |
| 21:45.27 | Amarande | And then you have Mot from Nocturne, who actually CAN sometimes use things to full effect ... and it doesn't end well for you :) |
| 21:55.26 | Constie | Is the GCD cap (for regular abilities that don't specifically have a shorter GCD) still 1 second? |
| 22:00.14 | Amarande | should be, yeah |
| 22:00.23 | Amarande | it's part of the reason shadow priests had such a rough time of it this expansion |
| 22:01.08 | Amarande | didn't scale well at the high end due to GCD stuttering because their *only* really good secondary stat was haste |
| 22:02.11 | kullervo | for melee, yes |
| 22:02.17 | kullervo | and casters with enough haste |
| 22:27.03 | Mr_Rabies | well it's not so much a cap for melee as it is the GCD for melee abilities, and it isn't effected further by haste |
| 22:27.06 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* I am getting crap from people because I did not go to the Halloween costume contest at work. |
| 22:27.29 | Mr_Rabies | tell them you were there, but you had the best "invisible man" costume |
| 22:27.49 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Mr_Rabies |
| 22:27.49 | purl | whips out a sword and chops Mr_Rabies in half |
| 22:28.29 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: I meant melee as in melee classes, as opposed to casters |
| 22:29.29 | Constie | Warriors have a 1.5s GCD, don't they? I meant for casters, though. |
| 22:29.53 | Constie | And it turns out it doesn't matter anyway. |
| 22:31.03 | Mr_Rabies | druids get 1.5 sec gcd with spells, and 1 sec with cat abilities...i forget bear's GCD. the exception is if a feral druid gets predatory swiftness |
| 22:31.15 | Mr_Rabies | they have 1 sec GCD for spells when they have predatory swiftness active |
| 22:31.57 | Mr_Rabies | well, 1.5 sec which is sped up by haste for spells, and 1 sec cat abilties that aren't |
| 22:33.59 | Mr_Rabies | looks like bear's GCD is 1.5 sec |
| 22:34.17 | Mr_Rabies | i knew it used to be, but wasn't sure if they changed it |
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| 22:40.42 | kullervo | I think prot palas may have 1.5s GCDs too |
| 22:40.50 | kullervo | right now they don't since everyone has >50% haste |
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| 23:01.53 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: i fixed the image paste bug on mediacrush |
| 23:01.56 | jleclanche | enjoy! |
| 23:04.41 | Thunder_Child | Anyone know where codecs are stored in linux? |
| 23:06.06 | g0urra | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKlRBDI8yN8 |
| 23:09.36 | Amarande | T_C: probably somewhere in /usr/lib, I'm guessing |
| 23:09.41 | Amarande | assuming they're distributed as .so libraries |
| 23:09.56 | Amarande | which depends on the distro and the codec and forty billion other vagaries :) |
| 23:12.07 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: what Amarande said. an easier way is, if you know which package provides them, to list the installed files from that package |
| 23:12.08 | jleclanche | good night |
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| 23:50.53 | kd3 | if you've already redeemed your blizzcon loot code, log in to get http://wowpedia.org/Grommloc |
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| 23:51.59 | Semlar | redeems kd3 |
| 23:52.33 | Semlar | you can be my new companion |
| 23:56.21 | fewyn | blizzcon pets just went out |
| 23:56.26 | fewyn | oh hey kd3 already said it |
| 23:59.18 | nevcairiel | no achievement for it this year? :( |
| 23:59.28 | kd3 | twitter.com/Muffinus/status/528333405344505856 |
| 23:59.41 | fewyn | http://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/528333405344505856 |
| 23:59.41 | kd3 | let's try that as an actual link... https://twitter.com/Muffinus/status/528333405344505856 |
| 23:59.49 | nevcairiel | oh well |
