| 00:00.00 | Primer | I guess this is good news: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14996569538?page=39#777 |
| 00:00.05 | Gnarfoz | anyway, Blue Origin seems weird :D not sure where they're going or what they'll actuall achieve, seems pretty low-key so far |
| 00:00.06 | fewyn | were out |
| 00:00.24 | Primer | But still, it's only a quote from a user from a supposed GM in a supposed ticket |
| 00:01.13 | Amarande | pompy: yeah, that was on Ars |
| 00:01.33 | Amarande | most people seem to agree that the idiot in the room there was the idiot who reported the obvious joke as being an actual threat |
| 00:01.48 | Amarande | a few people regard the joker as an idiot, but the person reporting tends to be regarded as the greatest idiot |
| 00:02.19 | Amarande | either them, or the lockstep-acting authorities |
| 00:03.19 | pompy | http://www.orbital.com/NewsInfo/MissionUpdates/Orb-3/ |
| 00:04.00 | Amarande | in any case, we can agree that at least someone was an idiot, and that there's way too many idiots |
| 00:04.18 | jleclanche | The Walking Dead is making me rethink my definition of "hackathon" |
| 00:08.29 | Gnarfoz | sb: Ecliptica re-recording is out btw https://play.google.com/music/m/Bwrhpxbl2uuk7efzjvzvqodmvam |
| 00:12.53 | Gnarfoz | heh, so Orbital is using an engine of which only stockpiles from the cancelled Soviet moonshot exist and they can't buy their alternative choice because the maker is already supplying ULA with them? :D sounds like Antares has a limited future in any case |
| 00:15.46 | pompy | ok yeah my bad Gnarfoz ULA and Blue Origin |
| 00:16.48 | Gnarfoz | more players can't hurt, in any case |
| 00:17.14 | Gnarfoz | can't rely just on Elon! |
| 00:22.37 | Gnarfoz | pompy: who's going to the station anyway? Wikipedia is leaving me hanging, I only see stuff scheduled for November |
| 00:26.03 | pompy | expedition 57 |
| 00:26.26 | pompy | Gnarfoz: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/tracking/index.html |
| 00:26.53 | Gnarfoz | uh? |
| 00:27.00 | Gnarfoz | Progress are not manned |
| 00:27.35 | pompy | yeah i see that now!! |
| 00:27.39 | Gnarfoz | (and we're only at expedition 41 ^^) |
| 00:27.48 | Gnarfoz | ok =p |
| 00:29.30 | Gnarfoz | hm, two SpaceX launches in December, dis gon be gud |
| 00:30.55 | pompy | conference pushed back to 845pm edt |
| 00:31.09 | pompy | Gnarfoz: ULA tomorrow |
| 00:31.15 | pompy | at ~ 1:30pm edt |
| 00:31.25 | pompy | well today in your case |
| 00:31.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
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| 00:50.35 | furyhunter | okay so quick question, I haven't done any UI dev stuff in a really long time, and I'm looking at some addon code that apparently worked in 6.0.2 but not in 6.0.3 |
| 00:50.58 | furyhunter | and it feels like the docs on wowwiki and wowpedia are out of date. were GetSpecialization and GetTalentInfo changed? |
| 00:51.14 | Simca | there are no known changes to the api in 6.0.3 aside from bugfixes to broken functionality |
| 00:51.24 | Semlar | yeah i doubt an addon would have broken between those patches |
| 00:51.28 | Simca | it is likely that wowpedia and wowwiki and wowprogramming are out of date |
| 00:51.36 | Simca | that is the nature of 6.0 |
| 00:52.31 | Simca | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.0.2/API_changes most useful API-related webpage atm |
| 00:53.09 | kd3 | there were no changes in the framexml/blizz addons between 6.0.2 and 6.0.3. just api-side stuff, but even then, I have no knowledge of breaking changes |
| 00:53.10 | furyhunter | it doesn't seem like anything changed for this particular set of functions since 5.0 |
| 00:53.17 | furyhunter | this is just bad code |
| 00:53.51 | pompy | now the press conf is 9pm edt |
| 00:54.01 | Simca | GetTalentInfo has changed, furyhunter |
| 00:54.14 | Simca | it is on the api changes page, but the returns were significantly altered, as were the args |
| 00:54.45 | furyhunter | hmmm |
| 00:56.41 | Guillotine | GetTalentInfo shouldn't have changed at all between 6.0.2 and 6.0.3. What are you seeing that's different? |
| 00:56.57 | kd3 | actually, I stand corrected, email going out momentarily |
| 00:57.22 | Semlar | he's probably just mistaken about the addon functioning in 6.0.2 |
| 00:57.55 | Guillotine | There were some bug fixes in FrameXML/AddOns in 6.0.3, but all were relatively minor and shouldn't really break AddOns (iirc) |
| 01:01.11 | Gnarfoz | he speaks! |
| 01:02.54 | furyhunter | oaky yeah it was GetTalentInfo that changed |
| 01:03.43 | furyhunter | GetTalentInfoByID is the equivalent |
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| 01:06.19 | Simca | while you're around Guillotine: there are C_PetJournal.GetPetInfoByIndex, C_PetJournal.GetPetInfoByPetID, and C_PetJournal.GetPetInfoBySpeciesID functions. for mounts, there is only C_MountJournal.GetMountInfo and it only accepts index. There is no way to get any information from MountID with the current API; it'd be great to have a simple C_MountJournal.GetMountInfoByID function |
| 01:09.00 | Guillotine | Simca: We agree. |
| 01:09.10 | Guillotine | Simca: No promises on when it'll happen though |
| 01:09.17 | Simca | okay sweet |
| 01:09.49 | kd3 | 6-0 in the bottom of the second? eesh |
| 01:10.35 | kd3 | make that 7 |
| 01:15.32 | Amarande | who's losing?\ |
| 01:15.48 | pompy | SF Giants |
| 01:16.00 | pompy | kd3: yep, they may keep that stat alive |
| 01:16.26 | Amarande | yay, let's go Royals |
| 01:17.45 | kd3 | press conference is go |
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| 01:56.04 | Unkle | Who is saturating his home internet connection? This guy. This guy right here. |
| 02:01.59 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: it's not hard unless you happen to be bumping 100x100 or somesuch. |
| 02:03.22 | kullervo | what's the toy that makes the user untargetable yet able to use other items such as HS? |
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| 02:21.10 | Unkle | Thunder_Child: I'm just complaining. |
| 02:21.44 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: Ah. Well then, carry on. |
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| 03:14.17 | Thunder_Child | One of the amazon filters is 'Cruelty Free.' "Uh, I'd like extra cruelty, thanks." |
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| 03:27.27 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: what I have learned about Civ BE so far |
| 03:27.49 | Shirik | aliens attack you. You can either (1) die, or (2) fight back and get everyone to hate you for attacking aliens |
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| 03:31.33 | Unkle | Shirik: NO SPOILERS |
| 03:31.46 | Shirik | uh |
| 03:31.54 | Shirik | how do you have a spoiler in civ? |
| 03:32.07 | Shirik | that's like saying no spoilers in minecraft |
| 03:32.08 | Thunder_Child | Because not everyone has played it? |
| 03:32.09 | Amarande | yeah that's like a spoiler in chess |
| 03:32.39 | Amarande | hm. the more I read about 6.0 the nicer it sounds |
| 03:32.44 | Amarande | ... on the other hand, $50 |
| 03:32.45 | Amarande | :( |
| 03:32.57 | Amarande | while I can get the SW:TOR expack for $20 or start FFXIV for $25 |
| 03:32.57 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: By default aliens are not really hostile with few exceptions. |
| 03:32.59 | Amarande | dangit, Blizzard |
| 03:33.08 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: oh, well I think I probably pissed them off |
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| 03:33.37 | Unkle | I'm going to wait for the price to come down. Also, once I install any Civ game on my PC I loose at least 72 hours to it. |
| 03:33.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Correct. Attacking one makes you hostile. It dies down over time however. |
| 03:33.47 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: That's all? |
| 03:33.55 | Shirik | I think I already lost 72 hours to it |
| 03:34.00 | Shirik | and I only bought it yesterday |
| 03:34.01 | Thunder_Child | I'm only 13 hours in. |
| 03:34.04 | Unkle | Thunder_Child: A full 72 without sleep is nothing to sneeze at |
| 03:34.31 | Unkle | I get a bit .. obsessive. |
| 03:34.59 | Shirik | if you aren't playing on marathon mode, you aren't playing civ |
| 03:35.33 | Amarande | btw. not that I'm sure if I'd actually use it anytime soon or not, but ... will we still get the free boost if we buy WoD after it's out or is that pre-order candy only? |
| 03:35.52 | Unkle | When the original came out I played 36 hours straight and the only reason I knew how much time was passing is my roomie went to work twice. |
| 03:35.59 | Iriel | Shirik: the other fun thing is the aliens get mad no matter WHO kills them. |
| 03:36.09 | Shirik | oh nice |
| 03:36.22 | Iriel | Shirik: theyâre not very smart. |
| 03:37.12 | Amarande | Iriel: the computer's probably enough of a bastard to make sure you're the one that has to deal with them though, isn't it :) |
| 03:38.04 | Iriel | Amarande: I have noticed the AI being particularly violent, iâm not sure if itâs going for that effect tho |
| 03:40.01 | Amarande | anyway, work comes early tomorrow. night folks |
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| 03:43.39 | Simca | The aliens are also randomly sometimes hostile on turn 1 |
| 03:44.00 | Simca | I walked out with my first explorer and it died on turn 2 to an unprovoked attack from an alien wolf beetle |
| 03:45.56 | Simca | (obviously I just reset the game because fuck starting with that huge of a disadvantage that early) |
| 03:47.25 | Iriel | Simca: thereâs âaliens take a disliking to youâ and then apparently if civs annoy them enough they go actively hostile and change color towards red |
| 03:47.38 | Iriel | Simca: or so says the manual, I havenât seen them that angry (yet?) |
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| 03:54.13 | Simca | UI question - I have a secure action button set up to do things when pushed via attributes (to use an item, specifically). Can I also attach an OnClick event handler to do insecure stuff on the same click (I want to click a dialogue button) without ruining all of the secure 'item using' stuff? |
| 03:56.03 | Iriel | Well, you could hook the OnClick handler securely |
| 03:56.53 | Iriel | The secure template is using OnClick to do stuff so you canât just replace it |
| 03:57.15 | Iriel | But HookScript should take care of you |
| 03:57.48 | Simca | Just normal HookScript? |
| 03:58.23 | Iriel | yourSecureButton:HookScript, yes - hook the OnClick |
| 03:58.34 | Simca | okay thanks a bunch |
| 03:58.46 | Simca | <3 |
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| 04:27.32 | karl_w_w | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ConMan/Proof_that_0.999..._does_not_equal_1 now that's a page |
| 04:40.44 | Semlar | Message: memory allocation error: block too big |
| 04:40.53 | Semlar | well i hope you're happy |
| 04:41.43 | Semlar | probably recount |
| 04:42.11 | Semlar | with your 28mb saved variable file |
| 04:52.38 | Torhal | compresses Semlar into 640k. |
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| 04:54.09 | Simca | karl_w_w: now that's an effort in futility |
| 04:54.32 | Simca | i thought it was pretty well established that 0.999~ = 1 |
| 05:00.21 | Simca | old build: WOW-19102patch6.0.3_Retail |
| 05:00.25 | Simca | new build: WOW-19103patch6.0.3_Retail |
| 05:00.48 | Simca | guess they're fixing a bug that was so critical it needed to be fixed after maintenance and at 11 pm |
| 05:01.17 | MiRai | RaF accounts were seeing a 132 crash... that might be it |
| 05:01.19 | MiRai | shrugs |
| 05:01.56 | Simca | could just be an accident too actually; just saw that it was pushed to EU and US, so might just be normal maintenance in EU and this build was in queue |
| 05:01.56 | MiRai | details on that - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15006171221 |
| 05:02.29 | Simca | ah yeah it's almost certainly that |
| 05:02.46 | Simca | 55 pages in 5 hours |
| 05:02.53 | Simca | i'd say that warrants a hotfix lol |
| 05:02.57 | MiRai | heh |
| 05:03.04 | MiRai | last blue update was 5 minutes ago |
| 05:07.02 | Simca | I love the people complaining in that thread about how they require compensation for that 5 hour bug |
| 05:07.18 | Simca | I had to add 'they fixed it within 5 hours. Do you want a quarter?' |
| 05:07.45 | MiRai | heh yeah |
| 05:07.54 | MiRai | they have had two different RaF issues since 6.0.2 though |
| 05:08.05 | MiRai | for a few days RaF benefits were... missing |
| 05:12.49 | Semlar | i like that the armory is treating my heirloom weapon as ilevel 620 |
| 05:13.23 | Semlar | and i have a higher equipped item level than my average |
| 05:13.52 | Simca | tbh you're lucky your armory doesn't just load a message that says |
| 05:14.01 | Simca | "Sorry, but nobody cares about level 90, come back later" |
| 05:14.06 | Semlar | :( |
| 05:14.21 | Dagmar | "You are incompatible." |
| 05:14.59 | Semlar | fear my weapon neffi http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/wyrmrest-accord/Bodypull/advanced |
| 05:15.04 | Simca | (and tbh the new heirloom scaling is a bit weird) |
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| 05:15.54 | Simca | They use Curve.db2 and CurvePoint.db2 and fill in critical points of the curve, then force the client to linearly extrapolate based on the slope |
| 05:15.55 | Semlar | speaking of bug fixes |
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| 05:16.16 | Semlar | the cataclysm flasks give like 5 whole more stats than the current ones |
| 05:16.35 | Simca | i guess it's not a bad system though - the simple arithmetic is very fast, and it means the data is never flawed |
| 05:16.36 | Semlar | 5!! |
| 05:16.50 | Simca | (also, you said bug fixes; that sounds like a bug) |
| 05:17.02 | Semlar | yeah i thought they were going to fix it today but maybe not |
| 05:17.25 | Simca | they fixed all of the enchants that were out of line in similar ways |
| 05:17.35 | Simca | but i guess it will take a couple more passes for them to get everything |
| 05:22.42 | Semlar | so thanks to marksmanship's sniper training i'm standing in everything that doesn't look like it's immediately going to kill me |
| 05:23.12 | Semlar | because moving is a dps loss |
| 05:24.24 | Semlar | dying is also probably a dps loss, but it's a risk i'm willing to take |
| 05:27.53 | Simca | If I set a button's opacity to 0, I can make it transparent but clickable, yeah? |
| 05:29.34 | Semlar | yes |
| 05:29.44 | Semlar | alpha has no impact on its mouse interactivity |
| 05:30.38 | Constie | Sounds like any other DPS class, Semlar. |
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| 05:30.49 | Semlar | but i'm a huuuuunteeeeer |
| 05:31.23 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 05:31.38 | Semlar | i can't spend the entire fight jumping in circles any more |
| 05:32.16 | Constie | Well, you can. |
| 05:32.39 | Constie | And I imagine you'll still lose less DPS than anyone else would by doing so. |
| 05:32.50 | Semlar | it would be like a 9% damage loss!! |
| 05:33.10 | Semlar | probably less, realistically |
| 05:33.55 | Neffi | no Semlar. also i have to go back to sleep. |
| 05:35.06 | Semlar | neffiiiiii |
| 05:35.27 | Semlar | i cause way more threat than i did when i was beast mastery :| |
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| 05:35.59 | Neffi | you dont look so threatenin |
| 05:36.06 | Semlar | possibly because chimera shot is hitting things for half their health |
| 05:39.00 | Semlar | also MD doesn't stick around on the target for 30 seconds before activating |
| 05:39.13 | Semlar | you have to use it immediately before doing something |
| 05:39.49 | Semlar | but i guess it doesn't cause a GCD now |
| 05:40.02 | Semlar | so i could probably just macro it into something |
| 05:44.05 | tz | OMGOMGOMGOMG |
| 05:44.13 | tz | oceanics are back up |
| 05:44.41 | tz | 220ms -> 17ms |
| 05:44.43 | tz | /faints |
| 05:44.57 | Semlar | do you live in the ocean |
| 05:45.14 | Neffi | suddenly the server melts and spiders attack the admins |
| 05:45.34 | Semlar | i'm sure they have some sort of cage, neffi |
| 05:46.39 | Simca | https://twitter.com/kurtismcc/status/527334935028199426 |
| 05:46.59 | Simca | how much longer was the maintenance supposed to be? |
| 05:50.02 | Torhal | glitches Semlar, removing his GCD. |
| 05:50.33 | Semlar | i'll just get the glyph that resets the cooldown on misdirect when i cast it on my pet and macro it into all of my spells |
| 05:50.44 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
| 05:50.56 | tz | maintenance was supposed to be for another 4hrs |
| 05:51.10 | Semlar | yeah but how long is that in australia time |
| 05:51.18 | tz | much the same really |
| 05:51.25 | Semlar | are you sure |
| 05:51.32 | tz | can never be sure |
| 05:51.42 | Semlar | i think their clocks go the other way over there |
| 05:51.53 | tz | that's why I use digital |
| 05:51.58 | Semlar | ah, smart |
| 05:52.13 | Neffi | but aren't their bits reversed too? |
| 05:52.19 | tz | nah |
| 05:52.26 | tz | we're not THAT retarded |
| 05:52.36 | Neffi | lol |
| 05:52.56 | Semlar | reverses neffi's bits |
| 05:52.57 | bluspacecow | @tz oh rly ? |
| 05:53.12 | tz | not as bad as NZ'ers |
| 05:53.14 | tz | ;) |
| 05:53.14 | bluspacecow | how long have the oceanic realms been up ? |
| 05:53.19 | bluspacecow | hey! |
| 05:53.22 | bluspacecow | im a kiwi :P |
| 05:53.25 | tz | I know |
| 05:53.26 | tz | lol |
| 05:53.32 | tz | they came up in the last half hour or so? |
| 05:53.35 | Neffi | confirmed. bluspacecow is indeed a fruit |
| 05:53.38 | tz | been prepping food so I dunno |
| 05:53.39 | Neffi | :P |
| 05:54.02 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Bird or fruit? |
| 05:54.05 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.13 | Semlar | cake |
| 05:54.19 | tz | mmmm cake |
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| 06:25.18 | Constie | I've never played WoW with less than like 130 ms. Must be nice. |
| 06:26.38 | Shirik | it's not like latency is a huge factor in wow anyway :P |
| 06:27.36 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:27.40 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:28.36 | Fisker | hey |
| 06:31.19 | Constie | It doesn't matter for like getting out of fire and stuff, but it is enough to impact the feel of the game. http://www.nngroup.com/articles/response-times-3-important-limits/ |
| 06:31.42 | Constie | (I think usually I'm at 150 or so.) |
| 06:35.38 | Primer | well, just logged in to Frostmourne since the move...147ms |
| 06:35.47 | Primer | before today it was 7ms |
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| 06:37.07 | karl_w_w | Simca, what's 1 - 0.999...? |
| 06:37.53 | Simca | 0 |
| 06:39.06 | Simca | (assuming you use a geometric series to evaluate that) |
| 06:39.29 | Simca | you can solve for the ultimate sum of the series and it will be 0. |
| 06:40.02 | Constie | It's 0.001. He was just trailing off. |
| 06:40.09 | Simca | lul |
| 06:41.28 | karl_w_w | no Constie, I know how to punctuate |
| 06:58.00 | Semlar | SecureCmdOptionParse gives you the spell name if you do /cast [] spell, but if you leave the brackets out it returns "/cast spell" |
| 06:58.25 | Semlar | is there a simple and reliable way to get the actual spell a macro will cast when it's pushed |
| 07:00.00 | Semlar | should i just search for the first /cast /use /spell |
| 07:00.24 | Semlar | i guess that wouldn't handle conditions |
| 07:00.50 | nevcairiel | GetMacroSpell will tell you which spell is shown on the button with #show or #showtooltip, but other then that you are in for a world of pain to figure that out reliably |
| 07:01.04 | Semlar | i need to be able to get it from the macro text |
| 07:01.58 | nevcairiel | for SecureCmdOptionParse you'll need to drop the command from the beginning, ie. drop the /cast |
| 07:02.24 | nevcairiel | since the /cast command runs it on its parameters, not on the entire string =) |
| 07:03.36 | Semlar | basically i have a macro that /clicks my custom action button that cycles through some spells but i'd like it to update the icon of the macro on the action bar |
| 07:04.51 | Semlar | i can do that using SetMacroSpell |
| 07:05.36 | Semlar | but only if i can figure out what the macro is actually going to cast |
| 07:06.42 | Semlar | and actually SecureCmdOptionParse is giving me the second spell if i have two /casts in the same macro |
| 07:06.53 | Semlar | so maybe i don't quite understand what the function does |
| 07:07.16 | nevcairiel | obviously not |
| 07:07.17 | Semlar | it's probably not meant to take an entire macro |
| 07:07.21 | nevcairiel | you cant just run it on the whole macro body |
| 07:07.28 | Semlar | well why not |
| 07:08.02 | nevcairiel | Like I said before, the /cast slash command runs it on its parameters to figure out which of them to cast |
| 07:08.21 | nevcairiel | its not something built into the macro engine, its built into the individual slash commands |
| 07:09.05 | Semlar | so i have to go over every line, check if the first word is /cast /use or /spell and run it on the rest of the string |
| 07:09.19 | Semlar | until i actually get something |
| 07:09.22 | nevcairiel | thats probably what the macro thing does |
| 07:09.41 | nevcairiel | note that some macros can cast two things |
| 07:09.48 | nevcairiel | like a off-gcd cooldown and a spell |
| 07:09.57 | Semlar | i only care about the first spell |
| 07:10.09 | Semlar | it should display the same icon that it normally would if you did #showtooltip |
| 07:10.24 | nevcairiel | what if i do #showtooltip Banana |
| 07:10.34 | Semlar | then you get a question mark |
| 07:10.51 | nevcairiel | how do you know my class doesnt have a banana spell |
| 07:11.12 | nevcairiel | or possibly even a item i guess! |
| 07:11.40 | Semlar | i will have to figure out the difference between items and spells |
| 07:11.46 | Semlar | because they use different api functions |
| 07:12.04 | Semlar | i might be able to just assume it's not a spell if GetSpellInfo fails on it |
| 07:12.22 | Constie | I should probably have #showtooltip The Golden Banana in every macro. |
| 07:12.42 | Semlar | although really i'd probably prefer it show a spell instead of any items in the macro if there is a spell |
| 07:13.28 | Semlar | i wouldn't really want /use 10 /cast bestial wrath to show my gloves |
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| 07:21.36 | Constie | Synapse Springs aren't a thing anymore, by the way, in case you missed that. |
| 07:21.42 | Constie | I realize it's the same thing with /use 13 instead. |
| 07:23.53 | Semlar | just an example |
| 07:26.57 | Mr_Rabies | i just made scrambled eggs at 3am |
| 07:27.02 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even normally like scrambled eggs |
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| 07:48.42 | p3lim | Semlar: since when was combo points returned by UnitPower? |
| 07:48.52 | Semlar | since iunno |
| 07:48.55 | Semlar | 6.0? |
| 07:49.12 | Semlar | how long has it been tied to the rogue instead of the target |
| 07:49.22 | p3lim | 6.0 |
| 07:50.11 | p3lim | the 4th powerType used to be pet happiness |
| 07:50.17 | p3lim | but that has not been used since 3.0 |
| 07:50.19 | Semlar | well now it's rogue happiness |
| 07:50.23 | p3lim | xD |
| 07:50.41 | Semlar | they get rogue snacks |
| 08:11.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still trying to find a good combo points addon updated for 6.0 |
| 08:12.14 | Mr_Rabies | i use a weakauras dealio now but eh |
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| 08:21.37 | Brulath | hey, anyone know which event is called when you join an instance group? I don't seem to be able to elicit a reaction from GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE nor GROUP_JOINED upon entering the headless horseman group |
| 08:22.11 | Brulath | GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE works for people joining parties/raids though |
| 08:25.01 | Constie | I don't know, but did you try using /eventtrace to find out? |
| 08:25.21 | Brulath | oh awesome, didn't know that existed |
| 08:25.23 | Brulath | thanks :) |
| 08:34.52 | karl_w_w | does everyone know what it means to be "glassed"? |
| 08:35.12 | ScratchMonkey | I like Hear Kitty for combo points and similar stuff |
| 08:35.29 | ScratchMonkey | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/hear-kitty |
| 08:35.51 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: i'm guessing being stalked by google glass? |
| 08:36.09 | karl_w_w | no, but that's an amusing guess |
| 08:36.17 | karl_w_w | anyone else that doesn't know got more guesses? :P |
| 08:36.26 | Semlar | it means to get attacked by someone with a glass object |
| 08:36.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i love hear kitty, ScratchMonkey |
| 08:36.36 | Kalroth | yeah, broken bottle etc. |
| 08:36.45 | Kalroth | scar to the face and such |
| 08:36.50 | Kalroth | partying with fisker |
| 08:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | but i do kinda want to see them as a fallback in case hearkitty is acting weird (which it seems to be doing a bit of recently) |
| 08:37.17 | Mr_Rabies | karl_w_w: sounds like a mafia term for killing someone imo |
| 08:37.27 | karl_w_w | that it does :P |
| 08:37.44 | karl_w_w | "we're gonna give him some glass" |
| 08:37.58 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassing |
| 08:38.13 | Kalroth | it does sound very british |
| 08:38.30 | karl_w_w | a glazier's business card through the letter box being the new horse head |
| 08:38.33 | Kalroth | "oi mate, u wot m8? eat glass fuckr!!" |
| 08:38.34 | Semlar | In the United Kingdom, there are more than 5,000 glassing attacks each year |
| 08:38.38 | Semlar | o lord |
| 08:39.39 | karl_w_w | that notable glassing doesn't count imo |
| 08:39.47 | karl_w_w | it has to be held in the hand! |
| 08:40.58 | Semlar | it was in someone's hand before it was sent on a trajectory toward his head |
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| 08:42.11 | Semlar | we'll have to go to the judges |
| 08:50.46 | Primer | So I'm on Frostmourne, and I zoned into SoO as the raid leader |
| 08:51.05 | Primer | According to Process Explorer, wow-64.exe has 3 TCP connections: |
| 08:51.30 | Primer | one to 103.4.115.70, another to 103.4.115.45, and another to 12.129.206.130 |
| 08:51.33 | karl_w_w | world server, game server, instance server |
| 08:51.52 | Primer | I would have guessed world, instance, and bnet |
| 08:52.11 | nevcairiel | bnet uses another port, you can detect that difference |
| 08:52.14 | Primer | because my latency hasn't changed after zoning in |
| 08:52.29 | nevcairiel | game is 3724 |
| 08:52.32 | Primer | the 12 address is port 1119 |
| 08:52.37 | Primer | the other two are 3724 |
| 08:52.37 | nevcairiel | yeah thats bnet |
| 08:53.04 | Primer | So...people here were theorizing that raids would still be on US instance servers |
| 08:53.13 | karl_w_w | i guess it's game server and instance server then |
| 08:53.13 | Primer | it seems this is not the case, regardless of who is the raid leader |
| 08:53.21 | nevcairiel | probably depends if its a mixed group and who is the leader, i dunno |
| 08:53.33 | Primer | I just tried it, granted, with only 2 people |
| 08:53.43 | nevcairiel | someone has to have bad ping if you mix the two |
| 08:53.44 | Primer | The other person was the leader, we zoned int, 103 IP |
| 08:54.05 | Primer | Then we disbanded and I became the leader, 103 IP |
| 08:56.35 | karl_w_w | what's your ping? |
| 08:56.36 | Primer | Our raid leader is in Alaska. His pings to the test IP presented before in the forums before the move, which turned out to be in the correct subnet, were around 400ms |
| 08:56.43 | Primer | mine is 146 |
| 08:56.50 | Primer | it was 7 before today |
| 08:56.54 | Primer | but then I'm in LA |
| 08:56.58 | Primer | which is where Frostmourne was before |
| 08:57.22 | karl_w_w | the servers seem to be in singapore |
| 08:57.32 | Primer | they'r enot |
| 08:57.44 | Primer | geoip is notoriously error-prone |
| 08:58.02 | Primer | Others have traced the IP and it's definitely in Sydney |
| 08:58.41 | karl_w_w | its 15+ hops away from me |
| 08:59.38 | Dagmar | That's more a function of provider topology |
| 08:59.56 | Primer | yeah, that's just traceroute fucking up |
| 08:59.57 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 08:59.58 | Dagmar | I can count a minimum of 11 hops just going five miles here |
| 09:00.04 | karl_w_w | it's just annoying |
| 09:00.40 | Dagmar | Actually, make that 15 hops |
| 09:03.25 | Dagmar | Yeah I du~nno about sydney but that sucker's definitely in Australia now |
| 09:06.05 | Primer | Well, it's in the same subnet as the Australia D3 servers |
| 09:06.10 | Primer | from what I read |
| 09:06.27 | Primer | and these are supposedly known to be in Sydney, hosted by Equinix or some such |
| 09:06.53 | Primer | I'm not too familiar with Aussie internet infrastructure |
| 09:06.58 | Dagmar | Definitely hosted by Equinix |
| 09:07.15 | Dagmar | ...who have stuff everywhere, but I can see where it leaves NTT's network and crosses the water |
| 09:07.27 | Dagmar | ...which means Australia. |
| 09:08.52 | Dagmar | Other massive hints in the traceroute would be the hostnames xe-1-1-0.a00.sydnau02.au.ra.gin.ntt.net and xe-1-0-1.gw101.sy3.ap.equinix.com |
| 09:09.43 | karl_w_w | 55497.syd.equinix.com [202.167.228.99] reports: Destination net unreachable. being a pretty good hint |
| 09:10.48 | Dagmar | lol http://www.equinix.com.au/locations/australia-colocation/sydney-data-centers/sy3 |
| 09:11.03 | Dagmar | They actually use those same names in the DNS. Wheee |
| 09:11.16 | Dagmar | I was wondering if I could get it down to a street address |
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| 09:32.26 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15006171221 |
| 09:32.41 | bluspacecow | The instruction at "0x000000013f808f2f" referenced memory at "0x0000000000000000". |
| 09:32.54 | bluspacecow | ^^ is that a 32 bit memory address or 64 bit ? |
| 09:32.58 | nevcairiel | 64 |
| 09:33.03 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 09:33.14 | nevcairiel | 32 only has 8 digits |
| 09:33.32 | mitch0 | PDT sucks |
| 09:39.26 | karl_w_w | is it too timey mitch0? |
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| 09:52.36 | Maldivia | mitch0: only a few more days though |
| 09:54.05 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: it's not UTC |
| 09:55.38 | mitch0 | Maldivia: well, we just switched off from DST, and it sucks... we should remain on UTC+2 all-year-round, but unfortunately it'll probably not change in the near future... |
| 09:56.30 | Constie | I was late for my raid last night because I didn't realize DST had ended (for me, but not for the Americans I play with). |
| 09:58.30 | Kalroth | how unprofessional |
| 09:58.49 | nevcairiel | why do you care which timezone we're in, everyone close to you is in the same one :d |
| 09:59.09 | bluspacecow | http://aannggeellll.tumblr.com/image/101183817277 |
| 09:59.11 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 09:59.23 | Kalroth | i think we should all use swatch universal time |
| 10:01.46 | Simca | bluspacecow: that bug was already fixed btw |
| 10:06.10 | bluspacecow | which one ? the #132 thing ? yeah I think it was |
| 10:14.58 | karl_w_w | because the sun coming up at 4am is so useful |
| 10:18.56 | Simca | man these bank cleanups are so amazing i still can't get over it |
| 10:19.02 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/p9mdg0X.jpg before |
| 10:19.27 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/3ATqofK.jpg after |
| 10:19.49 | Simca | went from needing over 6 36-slot enchanting bags |
| 10:19.57 | Simca | to having every single mat fit inside a single reagent bank |
| 10:20.02 | Simca | just amazing |
| 10:20.06 | Mr_Rabies | hi5 eng/ench buddy |
| 10:20.21 | Simca | hi5 |
| 10:20.26 | Mr_Rabies | probably the most bag-filling crafting profs |
| 10:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | combined, on a druid in my case |
| 10:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | a recipe for "oh geez gotta find something to throw out |
| 10:20.49 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i'm also a notorious gear packrat |
| 10:21.04 | Mr_Rabies | so the first day that void storage opened, i filled it |
| 10:21.10 | Mr_Rabies | then filled my bank with gear in my invo |
| 10:21.15 | Simca | i only hoard gear on my main, every other toon had a purpose for their bank |
| 10:21.25 | nevcairiel | Simca: why would you keep so much old ench mats anyway |
| 10:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly sell mine but now that i can hoard old stuff i do |
| 10:22.16 | Simca | this one is enchanting and engineering mats. mage is herbs, druid is mining, warrior is old world mats and tokens, priest is scribe mats/glyphs, warlock is cloth, hunter is leather, rogue is BoA, monk is misc |
| 10:22.55 | Mr_Rabies | maybe i should try bagnon, i still can't really find a bag addon that interfaces with the new sorting and reagent bank |
| 10:22.58 | Simca | this stockpiling was at a point where i had so much money that selling old world materials for trivial amounts was a waste of time |
| 10:23.03 | Mr_Rabies | in the way that i want |
| 10:23.11 | Mr_Rabies | i like adibags, but i dunno |
| 10:23.28 | Simca | i should probably sell them now that i spent a million gold on cats |
| 10:23.29 | nevcairiel | the new sorting doesnt really work well with all-in-one bags anyway, since its designed from the ground up with individual bags in mind |
| 10:23.30 | Mr_Rabies | it kind of awkwardly interfaces with the new stuff right now |
| 10:23.41 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 10:24.00 | Mr_Rabies | something like combuctor that split the tabs by each sorting type would be neat |
| 10:24.05 | Mr_Rabies | or i dunno |
| 10:24.05 | Simca | bagnon was buggy as hell last week and I wouldn't have recommended it |
| 10:24.08 | Simca | but it works well now |
| 10:24.22 | Mr_Rabies | just combined the sorting types each into one big bag |
| 10:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | (plus their extra space, maybe? |
| 10:25.21 | Mr_Rabies | guess it'll take time for someone to find inspiration in the new stuff |
| 10:25.37 | nevcairiel | i dont like automatic sorting, dont look at me! |
| 10:26.34 | Kalroth | automatic sorting is terrible |
| 10:26.39 | Simca | automatic sorting is ok in my alts' banks, but it has no place in my carefully crafted inventories or my main's bank or void storage |
| 10:28.58 | Mr_Rabies | with adibags sorting doesn't really matter, but i dunno |
| 10:30.04 | Mr_Rabies | i like the new stuff, except that individual bags are still individual bags and take up way too much screen space for what they do |
| 10:30.48 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah this is why i regularly trawl the "newest" section of curse around this time :p |
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| 10:39.13 | Mr_Rabies | huh, apparently they nerfed the new dungeon exp system? |
| 10:39.52 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't notice a huge difference myself, but a ton of people on the forums are talking about it, which means almost nothing but yeah :o |
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| 11:02.41 | karl_w_w | simca you should pretty much never ever keep crafting mats |
| 11:02.58 | karl_w_w | because 99% of them lose value over time |
| 11:03.36 | karl_w_w | dust sitting in the bank is like having a hole in your coin purse |
| 11:03.43 | karl_w_w | and I'm sure you have a coin purse |
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| 11:29.26 | Constie | Common crafting materials, anyway. |
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| 13:47.24 | Fisker | You didn't elect Doug Ford Ressy :( |
| 13:47.50 | Ressy | Would never. |
| 13:48.16 | Fisker | But but |
| 13:48.17 | Ressy | but if it were between ford & who won.. i would have picked ford. |
| 13:49.26 | Ressy | instead, we now have an Ex-director of Rogers as our Mayor |
| 13:49.42 | Ressy | I hate Rogers.. Bunch of slimy bastards |
| 13:49.58 | Ressy | Tired of dealing with their slimy VPs. |
| 13:50.30 | Fisker | : |
| 13:50.32 | Fisker | :o |
| 14:10.38 | p3lim | Is there any good event to use to check if an unit is alive after being dead? (except for UNIT_HEALTH*) |
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| 14:17.10 | karl_w_w | I kinda want to see how spacebase df9 1.0 is |
| 14:17.22 | karl_w_w | but I also want to never play it again on principle |
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| 14:47.28 | Ressy | Is it normal to hard-code an automail 'tester' into a mailing addon? |
| 14:47.57 | Ressy | ie hardcode specific items to be mailed to 2 specific characters? |
| 14:48.31 | Thunder_Child | Not in production. |
| 14:48.55 | Ressy | interesting. |
| 14:49.21 | Thunder_Child | I mean if the items are something innocuous that you can get 100's of for cheap seems like a decent way to test. |
| 14:49.27 | Ressy | cuz apparently /omail testdata will automatically mail 3 types of cloth to 1 of tiny's toons, and volatile air to another of his toons. |
| 14:54.46 | Gnarfoz | should PetTheory be erroring on me, Torhal? |
| 14:54.55 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. known problems?) |
| 14:55.02 | nevcairiel | works for me |
| 14:56.36 | Gnarfoz | in that case, Torhal: https://gist.github.com/Gnarfoz/b199d2672030d3055d8b + https://gist.github.com/Gnarfoz/c84a250fe0435bd4bb4c + https://gist.github.com/Gnarfoz/b37f09428443139a1644 |
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| 15:48.31 | mikma | http://youtu.be/VTIfjxNHEPw |
| 15:49.50 | Arrowmaster | ive got HotS now but the bnet app is acting up in crossover :( |
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| 15:54.08 | Thunder_Child | I really need to try at least one game of that. |
| 15:54.21 | Thunder_Child | I have not played it since I got in. |
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| 16:00.56 | karl_w_w | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tNwDtX3UmWYzfVzQTCIJ5eUCfBMYDf1xDmTgn9IPWJ8/preview?sle=true |
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| 16:14.09 | Thunder_Child | Bad karl_w_w, bad. |
| 16:18.20 | mikma | so what's the idea with the druid travel form -skill having only 150% flight speed? |
| 16:29.52 | nevcairiel | Flight form has full mount flight speed |
| 16:30.43 | nevcairiel | Maybe it skills with riding skill these days |
| 16:30.49 | nevcairiel | Scales* |
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| 16:49.36 | Arrowmaster | deleted bnet app and now it doesnt want to reinstall |
| 16:58.03 | Shirik | it is still sad from when you deleted it |
| 16:58.06 | Shirik | you hurt its feelings |
| 16:58.51 | Alram | destroy all the crap it leaves in appdata and program data and documents |
| 16:59.10 | Alram | ok well not documents anymore apparently |
| 17:00.53 | Arrowmaster | oh good i figured it out, seems i removed some 32bit libs that it required to run |
| 17:05.18 | Arrowmaster | my bnet app is all fucked up now, its displaying stuff at a 45 degree angle |
| 17:05.32 | Ressy | o.O |
| 17:05.33 | Semlar | maybe your monitor is tilted |
| 17:05.44 | smcn | maybe your head is tilted |
| 17:05.45 | Semlar | are you having an earthquake? |
| 17:05.59 | Arrowmaster | the joys of running windows software on windows |
| 17:06.05 | Arrowmaster | er linux |
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| 17:06.07 | smcn | did you open a portal to the fifth dimension? |
| 17:06.52 | Arrowmaster | no it was to the sixth |
| 17:07.12 | smcn | oh well that one's okay i'm not sure what it could be |
| 17:10.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:10.09 | Fisker | you hurt my feelings |
| 17:10.38 | Arrowmaster | see i wasnt joking http://imgur.com/JvkZY1A |
| 17:11.22 | Arrowmaster | now how the fuck do i fix this |
| 17:11.24 | Fisker | What's wrong with it? |
| 17:11.40 | smcn | Arrowmaster put on your 3d glasses now |
| 17:11.54 | Thunder_Child | Or better yet use windows like a big boy. |
| 17:12.04 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: i dont want to! |
| 17:12.29 | Thunder_Child | Crying about it is going to get you nowhere. |
| 17:12.37 | Arrowmaster | i managed to guess where the install button was |
| 17:14.28 | Fisker | Maybe some kind of rendering artifact from your gpu driver |
| 17:14.52 | Fisker | I don't want all these rayban sunglasses |
| 17:15.21 | pompy | http://www.ulalaunch.com/webcast.aspx tminus 6 mins |
| 17:18.59 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster, if you want it at a 90 degree angle you're going to have to put in a feature request |
| 17:19.51 | Arrowmaster | im working around it, i managed to get HotS to start installing and i can see a progress bay |
| 17:19.52 | Arrowmaster | bar |
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| 17:29.05 | jleclanche | If you do still want or need to make a terminal application that is interactive rather than just being a command-line tool, what is the best way to go about it? You should write it inside Emacs, using Emacs Lisp, and run it as an application by invoking Emacs to run the function that is the entry point for your application. |
| 17:29.11 | jleclanche | the brain damage and real world blindness |
| 17:29.12 | jleclanche | fuck. |
| 17:29.23 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: did you see my pic |
| 17:29.32 | jleclanche | which one? |
| 17:29.48 | jleclanche | the graphical issues? |
| 17:29.57 | kd3 | oh wow arrow, that's impressive |
| 17:30.22 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: did you reinstall the x11 and kernel drivers and reboot? |
| 17:30.30 | jleclanche | refresh config or something? when did it start happening? |
| 17:31.10 | Arrowmaster | i rebooted the other day |
| 17:31.19 | Arrowmaster | talking with an op in #crossover now |
| 17:31.37 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: try rebooting, really. if an update sneaked in its possible its using a shitty fallback |
| 17:31.59 | Neffi | jleclanche: "If you do still want or ..." wtf am i reading |
| 17:32.25 | jleclanche | Neffi: its correct english |
| 17:32.51 | Neffi | It's the content I'm questioning, not the form |
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| 17:34.11 | pompy | http://youtu.be/zarWT7H9t54 jesus, sfw |
| 17:39.13 | fewyn | have they figured out what caused it yet? |
| 17:40.01 | Simca | please no more emacs |
| 17:40.01 | kd3 | not to my knowledge |
| 17:40.03 | Simca | make it stop |
| 17:40.16 | Simca | it hurts the simca to use emacs |
| 17:41.45 | Neffi | rewrites Simca as an interactive Emacs Lisp applications. |
| 17:41.59 | Simca | flees in terror. |
| 17:45.26 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 17:45.26 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml |
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| 17:59.05 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: I think that should be singular. |
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| 18:00.41 | Semlar | i think you should be singular |
| 18:00.43 | mikma | http://youtu.be/_6AeZLFKwl8 |
| 18:00.52 | Thunder_Child | I am |
| 18:01.25 | Thunder_Child | Meh, I should have gone with "We are." |
| 18:02.11 | Arrowmaster | not fixed by a reboot |
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| 18:13.32 | jleclanche | anyone wants a keybase.io invite? Dagmar? |
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| 18:25.13 | Arrowmaster | found the issue, its this https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37347 |
| 18:30.05 | jleclanche | lolintel |
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| 19:02.17 | Teazle | anyone have any experience with Masque? If i add a button to Masque my buttons doesnt seem to wanna skin properly - if i select a circular "theme" my icons still wanna show themself as a square. they do update desired icon though, any common mistakes to this?.. |
| 19:05.49 | jleclanche | <pompy> http://youtu.be/zarWT7H9t54 jesus, sfw |
| 19:05.57 | jleclanche | depends what your job is |
| 19:06.06 | jleclanche | nsfw for rocket engineers |
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| 19:08.15 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: you ever get google hangouts working on your windows phone? |
| 19:08.23 | kd3 | here's eyewitness footage from the press site at wallops ~2 miles away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jCystkiIBs |
| 19:09.31 | Silvanas | does anyone still host an ui files database?" |
| 19:09.42 | kd3 | the code or the art? |
| 19:09.46 | jleclanche | Silvanas: wowprogramming.com |
| 19:09.51 | jleclanche | Silvanas: and you can export it |
| 19:09.55 | jleclanche | from the game that is |
| 19:09.56 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 19:09.56 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml |
| 19:10.43 | Silvanas | thanks :D |
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| 20:10.05 | A-KO|tablet | Arrowmaster: uuuuuuuuuuh |
| 20:10.08 | A-KO|tablet | we can test it later |
| 20:15.31 | Simca | anyone know where blizzard gets the data from for http://www.elvinelol.com/forums/showthread.php?1379 |
| 20:15.53 | Simca | I'm thinking Path.db2, but then they'd need an API function for it |
| 20:16.20 | Simca | but they must have an API function already I guess, even if it is data sent from the server, just to display it on the map |
| 20:16.38 | Semlar | they're pois |
| 20:16.53 | Semlar | they only show up after you've completed the treasure map "quest" |
| 20:18.01 | Semlar | they are in the dbc files but i think the server has some say in their visibility too because i pulled them out a while back and some of them are clearly unused |
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| 20:20.20 | Semlar | after you click on the treasure map they start showing up from GetMapLandmarkInfo |
| 20:21.08 | Simca | gotcha |
| 20:21.09 | Simca | thanks |
| 20:21.28 | Fisker | My stomach Simca |
| 20:21.36 | Fisker | It's blargh |
| 20:21.44 | Simca | replace it with a kitten Fisker |
| 20:22.03 | Fisker | That's cruel |
| 20:22.14 | Kalroth | love is just a kiss away |
| 20:23.40 | Fisker | I love you |
| 20:27.47 | Shirik | Here's a fun one: how do you get a ping to succeed in one direction and fail in the other. No firewalls. |
| 20:28.03 | Kalroth | broken internet route |
| 20:28.07 | Kalroth | r |
| 20:28.09 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:28.10 | Thunder_Child | broken icmp |
| 20:28.30 | Fisker | Unknown firewall :P |
| 20:28.43 | Kalroth | your outgoing route allows icmp, but on your incoming route it's being blocked or dropped |
| 20:28.46 | Fisker | ICMP responses disabled |
| 20:29.10 | Thunder_Child | really shitty isp. |
| 20:29.46 | Shirik | It's not over internet and the two computers are running identical images on their drives. |
| 20:29.48 | Kalroth | isn't that a general thing for US ISPs? |
| 20:30.00 | Kalroth | I read something about Verizon tagging their packets now |
| 20:30.01 | Fisker | Nature will rise against you |
| 20:30.04 | Thunder_Child | No. But they do play shitty games. |
| 20:30.09 | Kalroth | and Comcast is .. well Comcast |
| 20:30.18 | Dagmar | Shirik: Multiple interfaces and shit routes |
| 20:30.20 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Bad port on the switch. |
| 20:30.47 | Thunder_Child | Are we talking internal network or site to site? |
| 20:30.56 | Thunder_Child | local internal* |
| 20:30.59 | Dagmar | Shit like this is why I'm categorically against lame-ass distros that bind all the IP addresses to lo, and then add fucking per-interface routes. |
| 20:31.09 | Shirik | I thought about the route thing but wouldn't it fail in both directions? I mean it doesn't know where to send the response. |
| 20:31.27 | Kalroth | the routers definitely know |
| 20:31.35 | Dagmar | ARP makes fun of people who believe in routing tables on a LAN |
| 20:31.48 | Shirik | But yes it's local internal 3 NICs some of which are multi home so the route table is a mess |
| 20:32.15 | Dagmar | ...and Linux (and a lot of other non-Windows OSes besides) responds to ARP on any interface for all the IPs bound to it |
| 20:32.19 | Dagmar | This leads to endless fun |
| 20:32.30 | Shirik | Lol what? |
| 20:32.55 | Dagmar | ...meaning if you've got 192.168.100.1 on the internal interface, and something on your external segment says "WHO HAZ", it will respond unless you've applied a particular kernel patch. |
| 20:33.07 | Dagmar | Absolutely _endless_ fun on a private network |
| 20:33.50 | Shirik | So you if your IP is 1.1.1.1 on if 1 and someone else has 1.1.1.1 on if 2 it will fail? That's hilarious |
| 20:33.56 | Dagmar | There's good reason for that actually, but it definitely appears counter-intuitive when most people run afoul of it |
| 20:34.24 | Dagmar | It _can_ fail. |
| 20:34.40 | Dagmar | If their box wins the race to respond to the ARP request, it'll get the packets and not your box. |
| 20:34.46 | Shirik | Well both computers would respond to the ARP request right? |
| 20:34.50 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 20:34.52 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 20:35.17 | Dagmar | pop off a few ARP requests and see who responds. |
| 20:35.38 | Ironii | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/guild/lightnings-blade/Paragon/news |
| 20:35.42 | Ironii | interesting leveling times ;P |
| 20:35.44 | Dagmar | ...or considering the circumstances, just dump arp traffic and wait |
| 20:35.52 | Ironii | too bad they hotfixed it :( |
| 20:36.22 | Dagmar | Ironii: That's not a 90 boost? |
| 20:36.29 | Ironii | nope |
| 20:37.00 | Dagmar | ...and not people hoarding RAF credits or just logging into toons with dust on them? |
| 20:37.02 | Ironii | just some turtle farming at timeless isle |
| 20:37.10 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 20:37.15 | Dagmar | I wondering WTF was up with those people |
| 20:37.40 | Dagmar | I saw a dude with about a thousand dead frogs around him and could not figure why the hell anyone would bother. |
| 20:37.46 | Ironii | we had 2 groups grinding turtles, 1 l90 + up to 4 low levels |
| 20:38.08 | Ironii | frog farming is for coins |
| 20:38.15 | Dagmar | They should bring back roflmurder for low level players |
| 20:39.28 | Dagmar | The memories of telling people in Scarlet Monastery... "Now stand in this spot and DO NOT MOVE... and don't CAST anything on me, either... or you will DIE." |
| 20:39.51 | Ironii | ^^ |
| 20:40.12 | Dagmar | I'd bring low level people into SM for loots. |
| 20:40.27 | Dagmar | Round up "most of the place" and murder it in one go. |
| 20:40.53 | Dagmar | ...which would result in a startlingly rapid murder of the new player if they so much as burped loudly. |
| 20:42.06 | Dagmar | No amount of aggro umbrella should be able to save someone who is deeply lower level |
| 20:43.44 | Dagmar | Nowadays if you have a low level toon that actually needs money, they probably need to be counseled on the dangers of ale and loose women. |
| 20:47.07 | Thunder_Child | I used to do that in CoT:Dark Portal. |
| 20:47.15 | Thunder_Child | with all the gators |
| 20:47.21 | Thunder_Child | that was a system hose. |
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| 20:52.36 | Arrowmaster | those gators were bitches |
| 20:57.10 | Thunder_Child | Dems good skinning. |
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| 21:38.08 | zenzelezz | so a friend asks if I have a spare PSU he can borrow to test a possibly failing computer. "Sure, I have a 650W." "Great. You don't also have an AGP card?" |
| 21:38.20 | zenzelezz | I KNEW keeping that Radeon 9800 Pro would come in useful |
| 21:39.06 | Thunder_Child | AGP? No. No. No. No. Time to buy a new computer. |
| 21:39.14 | Thunder_Child | And B. stop hording. |
| 21:39.28 | zenzelezz | pfft |
| 21:39.52 | zenzelezz | one day these 10/100 NICs will come in useful too, I know it. And the 20 RAM bricks of various speeds and sizes |
| 21:39.53 | tz | for the hoard! |
| 21:40.11 | tz | I should throw out old PC parts too |
| 21:40.12 | tz | hmmm |
| 21:45.18 | zenzelezz | apparently I also have a Soundblaster Audigy |
| 21:46.12 | Thunder_Child | We have a bunch of those and live!'s at work. |
| 21:46.21 | Thunder_Child | since we need them for multiplexing on linux. |
| 21:46.52 | zenzelezz | multiplexing? |
| 21:48.29 | Thunder_Child | Yes, multiple audio streams at once |
| 21:49.08 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 21:50.39 | zenzelezz | so what do you actually do? |
| 21:50.52 | Thunder_Child | put in the card.... |
| 21:51.23 | zenzelezz | sorry, that was an unspecific question. What's your job about? |
| 21:51.36 | Arrowmaster | he inserts things into slots |
| 21:52.33 | Thunder_Child | Technically? Help desk. In actuality I add sysadmin and webdev |
| 21:53.18 | zenzelezz | I must be missing something. Where does the multiplexing come into it? |
| 21:54.05 | Thunder_Child | Animators need multiple audio streams to do their work. |
| 21:56.31 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/ << 1.3; file integrity checks, DBC field type guessing, slightly easier casc.open syntax and slightly saner error handling. |
| 21:57.37 | foxlit | (also squishes a win32 bug, but that's boring) |
| 21:58.39 | Stanzilla | needs more changelog on the page :P |
| 21:59.16 | foxlit | there's one in the zip. |
| 21:59.47 | Semlar | Stanzilla: http://whatthecommit.com this should help |
| 21:59.54 | Stanzilla | old |
| 22:00.29 | Semlar | fixes stanzilla |
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| 22:18.55 | Torhal | Nowai, Semlar. |
| 22:21.41 | Neffi | <Semlar> ... http://whatthecommit.com .. <- I see no problems here |
| 22:22.09 | nevcairiel | foxlit: boo, breaking api changes! |
| 22:22.17 | foxlit | moo? |
| 22:22.40 | nevcairiel | you broke casc.open! |
| 22:22.47 | foxlit | I did? |
| 22:22.58 | nevcairiel | well the way i called it before anyway! |
| 22:23.09 | foxlit | how did you call it before? |
| 22:25.02 | nevcairiel | with a bunch of string arguments |
| 22:25.10 | nevcairiel | at the very least its no longer documented to be valid |
| 22:25.33 | Arrowmaster | so i may or may not have a warrant issued against me before i leave for blizzcon, they let me pay the speeding ticket online but they claim if its my 3rd in 12 months im required to appear on the court date |
| 22:25.36 | foxlit | rule one, I think. |
| 22:27.27 | Arrowmaster | huh i should have had the appear for the last one too but the cop didnt arrest me last week so i must now have a warrant issued from that one |
| 22:27.35 | Arrowmaster | not |
| 22:28.00 | Arrowmaster | has a speeding problem |
| 22:28.24 | Thunder_Child | No, you have a getting cought problem. |
| 22:28.33 | Thunder_Child | caught* |
| 22:28.45 | Thunder_Child | I speed, I just don't get caught. |
| 22:29.13 | Arrowmaster | actually thats true, if theres traffic ill be doing the same speeds i normally do but everybody is doing those speeds so the cops dont bother, if theres less traffic i get caught |
| 22:29.38 | Primer | hrmm, according to the history, this page has been updated relatively recently: http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter |
| 22:29.48 | foxlit | nevcairiel: code should still work, but I would like you to move away from that syntax eventually. |
| 22:30.10 | nevcairiel | i didnt test all cases, but i updated the code anyway |
| 22:30.11 | Primer | but I can't ping any of the LA US Pacific realms...and I'm pretty sure they don't filter ICMP |
| 22:30.55 | foxlit | think the new one is a little easier, and it lets me add optinal args in a way that doesn't require you to pass a metric ton of nils. |
| 22:31.09 | nevcairiel | slight annoyance, (nil, conf) doesn't work |
| 22:31.23 | nevcairiel | ie. when my local root dir wasn't set, i wanted to pass that |
| 22:32.20 | nevcairiel | i should probably pass it in the conf table as base instead |
| 22:32.52 | zenzelezz | Primer: did you look at the actual edit history? The last few ones seem to be mostly troll updates (and them being reverted) |
| 22:33.53 | foxlit | nevcairiel: probably; alternatively (local or "http://us.patch....", conf) rather than calling cdnbuild and so on. |
| 22:34.52 | nevcairiel | what url does it take? http://eu.patch.battle.net/wow/#eu if i understand the comment right? |
| 22:35.01 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:35.07 | nevcairiel | the anchor part tripped me up briefly |
| 22:35.14 | Primer | zenzelezz: yeah, I see that now |
| 22:35.41 | Primer | I guess I'll just connect to one of these realms and see what IP I connect to and check the traceroute |
| 22:36.05 | nevcairiel | i did like printing out the version in the script though, localbuild was nice for that |
| 22:36.38 | zenzelezz | Primer: did you check wowpedia instead? (I have no idea if they have different info, didn't check) |
| 22:37.12 | Primer | I would if my co-workers would stop bugging me |
| 22:38.26 | foxlit | mm, yeah. Might be able to use handle.conf['build-name'], but all of those are really comments rather than authorative information about the build. |
| 22:38.46 | foxlit | (would get you something like WOW-19103patch6.0.3_Retail) |
| 22:40.09 | nevcairiel | calling localbuild seems to be an extremely cheap call, so i might just keep doing that for the version string |
| 22:40.57 | Thunder_Child | Primer: Yea, work gets in the way all the time. |
| 22:41.02 | foxlit | sure. |
| 22:43.53 | nevcairiel | also, Lua really needs an easier way to print to stderr |
| 22:44.06 | nevcairiel | io.stderr:write(string.format(...)) is just so wordy |
| 22:47.55 | foxlit | may I suggest function whine(s, ...) io.stderr:write(tostring(s):format(...) .. "\n") end |
| 22:48.11 | foxlit | maybe a flush in there for good measure. |
| 22:48.21 | nevcairiel | that works of course, sadly doesn't have the same semantics as print |
| 22:48.51 | foxlit | ooh, you could abuse print |
| 22:48.53 | nevcairiel | ie print("a", "b", "c") actually does something more then print "a" |
| 22:49.08 | Primer | than* |
| 22:49.14 | nevcairiel | ~lart Primer |
| 22:49.14 | purl | crushes Primer with a full height scsi disk |
| 22:49.20 | nevcairiel | noone likes grammar nazis |
| 22:49.26 | Primer | I like them |
| 22:49.47 | Primer | because they tell me if I'm not spelling something properly |
| 22:50.00 | Primer | and I want to know those things |
| 22:50.10 | nevcairiel | Spelling is not grammar |
| 22:50.16 | foxlit | function whine(...) io.output(io.stderr) print(...) io.output(io.stdout) end |
| 22:50.26 | Primer | indeed...and the mistake you make was spelling |
| 22:50.27 | nevcairiel | that sounds evil |
| 22:50.31 | Primer | technically |
| 22:50.40 | nevcairiel | Primer: then is a perfectly fine word, spelled correctly and everything |
| 22:51.07 | Primer | not quite |
| 22:52.17 | nevcairiel | so you're saying then is not spelled correctly? |
| 22:52.20 | foxlit | might pcall print. |
| 22:52.58 | foxlit | just for those awesome error-throwing __tostrings |
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