| 00:00.01 | Semlar | never neffi |
| 00:00.06 | Semlar | NEVER |
| 00:00.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's just way too much to manage at once, and the pit lord's fire hits for like 8k a tick |
| 00:00.15 | Neffi | I mean, if they breach that, you'd have a lawsuit against one of the biggest companies in the world -- one which can't afford bad press w.r.t. privacy |
| 00:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | and i have 70k hp |
| 00:00.25 | Semlar | THEY WILL HAVE YOU SILENCED |
| 00:00.30 | Semlar | THEY KNOW PEOPLE |
| 00:00.30 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:00.46 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: the pit lord also has a dispel |
| 00:00.47 | Primer | IIRC |
| 00:00.53 | Dagmar | They know where you _PARKED YOUR CAR_ |
| 00:00.59 | Mr_Rabies | it's the fire |
| 00:01.02 | Mr_Rabies | but it also hurts you |
| 00:01.04 | Semlar | they probably have drones |
| 00:01.08 | Neffi | well that's ok because I don't have a car |
| 00:01.12 | Semlar | and they know where you live |
| 00:01.22 | Neffi | so does the pizza delivery guy |
| 00:01.30 | Semlar | yeah but they also know what you google |
| 00:01.40 | Neffi | oh gods |
| 00:01.42 | Semlar | .. |
| 00:02.18 | Semlar | you should probably just fake your own death |
| 00:02.41 | Semlar | start over with another ISP |
| 00:02.51 | Neffi | don't worry. I've had an escape plan for a while now |
| 00:03.02 | Semlar | you can't come live with me |
| 00:03.08 | Neffi | well there goes that! |
| 00:03.09 | Semlar | that's not a plan neffi |
| 00:04.34 | Mr_Rabies | sigh |
| 00:04.38 | Mr_Rabies | this is getting expensive |
| 00:04.44 | Mr_Rabies | i think i've spent over 2k on repairs so far |
| 00:04.59 | Semlar | does your gear get scaled for that |
| 00:05.12 | Mr_Rabies | nope, but i'm afraid they're gonna remove the title tomorrow |
| 00:05.19 | Semlar | how's your gear |
| 00:05.21 | Mr_Rabies | 520 |
| 00:05.38 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's doable at lower levels than that |
| 00:06.05 | Mr_Rabies | maybe, probably not anymore |
| 00:06.17 | Semlar | i mean people did it in the gear they had while they were farming the isle of thunder so |
| 00:06.36 | Semlar | 522 would have been full on normal ToT gear |
| 00:07.15 | Semlar | the squish may have affected it though |
| 00:08.29 | Neffi | Dumb question. Is there any benefit to using group headers (eg for party/raid) over just spawning N unit frames, except for filtering? |
| 00:08.30 | Semlar | did you watch any vidyas on youtube for it? |
| 00:08.31 | Mr_Rabies | well, it's significantly harder without the ability to cast on the move and with the reduction in length on the portal |
| 00:08.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but so many are way outdated |
| 00:12.00 | tz | I think it took me about 60 attempts at ~ilvl 499, but that was pre-patch, no idea whether it's easier/harder based on spec changes |
| 00:12.11 | Semlar | i think it's probably mostly about the execution |
| 00:12.12 | tz | haven't played my lock since 6.0 |
| 00:12.40 | tz | pre-patch = day 1 of IoT |
| 00:14.49 | Semlar | i haven't played a warlock since cataclysm |
| 00:21.25 | Semlar | i need to write an OnUpdate script for resizing a frame, the default StartSizing behavior ends up with the cursor misaligned from the frame if you hit the minimum size |
| 00:26.32 | Mr_Rabies | there's a ton of luck involved re: the felhunters |
| 00:26.45 | Mr_Rabies | i had him hidden and they still broke it |
| 00:26.53 | Mr_Rabies | died at like 25% |
| 00:30.05 | tz | ahhh metatables, how I love thee |
| 00:30.18 | Simca | that makes one person |
| 00:30.30 | tz | lol |
| 00:32.32 | Neffi | Simca: Seriously? metatables are Lua's best feature |
| 00:33.31 | Neffi | hmm, can a rogue/feral test something for me? |
| 00:33.50 | Simca | i have a rogue, sup |
| 00:33.53 | Neffi | the docs and another addon suggest that we still need to do GetComboPoints('player','target') even though CPs now belong to the player |
| 00:33.55 | Neffi | if this true? |
| 00:34.07 | Simca | what's the alternative api? |
| 00:34.11 | Neffi | does it fail if not given a 2nd arg? does it fail if the target doesn't exist? |
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| 00:34.16 | Simca | gotcha |
| 00:34.35 | Semlar | it doesn't throw an error if you call it without a second argument |
| 00:34.47 | Neffi | good stuff |
| 00:34.51 | Neffi | tanks |
| 00:35.05 | Semlar | just returns 0, i'm not on a rogue right now though |
| 00:36.05 | Neffi | ...so you can't know how many combo points you have without a target? |
| 00:36.10 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/xGh02P6.png |
| 00:36.42 | Neffi | Simca: did you have combo points at the time? |
| 00:36.50 | Neffi | I really hope I can get this info without a target :| |
| 00:36.54 | Simca | yes, the mark under my unitframe indicates 1 point |
| 00:37.30 | Neffi | wow. how terrible |
| 00:37.36 | Semlar | are combo points an alt power now? |
| 00:37.45 | Neffi | I don't know? |
| 00:37.51 | Simca | actually, even when i have a target it is returning 0 |
| 00:37.54 | Simca | lol |
| 00:38.13 | Neffi | I'll have to see how another UF addon is doing it. What's that you're using, Simca? |
| 00:38.23 | Simca | it has to be a valid harmable target |
| 00:38.27 | Simca | or it will return 0 |
| 00:38.29 | Semlar | did you try UnitPower('player', 7) or something |
| 00:38.32 | Semlar | 4 |
| 00:38.34 | Semlar | it's 4 |
| 00:38.42 | Neffi | I didn't try anything. WoW isn't installed on this hdd yet |
| 00:38.46 | Semlar | FINE |
| 00:38.51 | Neffi | <_< thanks Semlar |
| 00:39.02 | Semlar | simca try UnitPower('player', 4) |
| 00:39.04 | Simca | UnitPower('player', 4) returns 1 even with no target |
| 00:39.06 | Simca | and out of combat |
| 00:39.12 | Simca | so it works great |
| 00:39.14 | Mr_Rabies | omg |
| 00:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | these felhunters are gonna make me ragequit |
| 00:39.21 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 00:39.22 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml |
| 00:39.27 | Mr_Rabies | they're literally the entire reason i can't do this |
| 00:39.36 | Semlar | have you tried bribing them |
| 00:40.03 | Xandr | Is there a certain logic to whether a unit's portrait is facing left or right? |
| 00:40.11 | Semlar | nope |
| 00:40.36 | Xandr | meh, not helpful |
| 00:40.42 | Semlar | they turn the 3d model into a portrait, you can change their facing while it's still a 3d model though |
| 00:41.02 | Semlar | you can't turn that into a portrait as far as i know |
| 00:41.31 | Neffi | you're talking about the picture of the unit's face, right, Xandr? |
| 00:41.37 | Xandr | yeah |
| 00:42.09 | Neffi | hmm. default UI still uses GetComboPoints and as such there is no constant for `4` in UnitPower, like there is for every other power type |
| 00:42.19 | Neffi | I don't like this thing ;( |
| 00:42.23 | Mr_Rabies | i just |
| 00:42.24 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 00:42.28 | Semlar | they're constants neffi |
| 00:42.33 | Mr_Rabies | i've spent so much on gold that i have to keep trying |
| 00:42.35 | Semlar | just use 4 |
| 00:42.35 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm getting nowhere |
| 00:42.48 | Xandr | since I'm going for 3d portraits anyway, rotating would be possible, but unless I know which direction the unit is facing, rotating it would cause strange results |
| 00:42.52 | Neffi | I like to leverage constants so things don't surprisingly break on patch day |
| 00:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | basically, if felhunters break my enslave demon i'm dead, but they do it like 90% of the time no matter what |
| 00:43.04 | Semlar | Xandr: SetFacing(0) should be the model facing the camera |
| 00:43.12 | Neffi | I'll just hoist it into my own local constant and update that if they ever add it |
| 00:44.37 | Semlar | it shouldn't matter what the model is |
| 00:44.59 | Semlar | the camera presets are what determine what direction it's facing when it gets zoomed in, i believe |
| 00:45.06 | Xandr | hmm |
| 00:45.14 | Semlar | using SetPortraitZoom or something |
| 00:45.25 | Xandr | setfacing(0) just resets it to the default |
| 00:45.34 | Mr_Rabies | i give up |
| 00:45.39 | Mr_Rabies | i've spent too much on repairs |
| 00:45.50 | Mr_Rabies | i'm gettiing worse at it because i'm getting mad |
| 00:45.53 | Semlar | you have something else affecting the model camera then |
| 00:46.24 | Semlar | if you open the character frame and type /run CharacterModelFrame:SetFacing(0) it will be facing the camera |
| 00:46.41 | Semlar | or /run CharacterModelFrame:SetUnit('target') and try it with something else |
| 00:48.08 | Xandr | SetPortraitZoom(0) makes it face the camera, SetPortraitZoom(1) turns it to the default portrait angle |
| 00:50.10 | Semlar | yeah, it's using the preset camera |
| 00:52.12 | Xandr | so far it appears that humanoid units are facing right, whereas for example beasts are facing left |
| 00:52.29 | Semlar | i don't know how reliable that is, but it may be accurate |
| 00:52.38 | Xandr | I'm going through whatever units I find in Northshire :) |
| 00:53.43 | Semlar | well sporebats are facing right |
| 00:53.53 | Semlar | seems to be arbitrary |
| 00:54.02 | Xandr | hmpf |
| 00:54.43 | Semlar | you can set the facing after the portrait zoom but it isn't centered on the model any more |
| 00:57.53 | Xandr | yeah, it appears to be more hassle than it's worth really |
| 01:00.21 | Semlar | well, if you did SetPortraitZoom(0) then SetFacing() then set the model scale and maybe offset the camera |
| 01:00.39 | Semlar | you might be able to get something reasonable |
| 01:02.30 | kd3 | wow, seriously? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/10/flight-cancelled-when-al-quida-wi-fi-network-became-available/ |
| 01:09.33 | Neffi | kd3: there's at least 4 things about this artlcle that has me chuckling |
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| 02:22.58 | Neffi | "Error: Passwords can only contain letters and numbers" wait wat |
| 02:23.35 | Semlar | SUPERSECRETPASSWORD1 |
| 02:23.55 | Kesava | did you know: microsoft still doesn't allow spaces |
| 02:24.36 | Neffi | I hope they at least allow #@?, etc |
| 02:24.54 | Neffi | astraweb apparently doesn't. also doesn't ask for existing password when changing. |
| 02:25.46 | Semlar | hashtag password |
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| 02:33.14 | Torhal | sets Semlar's password to Neffi. |
| 02:33.26 | Neffi | hacks Semlar accounts |
| 02:33.51 | Semlar | but my password is already neffi |
| 02:34.07 | Neffi | the name of your crush is the worst password ever, Semlar |
| 02:34.28 | Torhal | :O |
| 02:35.13 | farmbuyer | One of the bits of software I work on IRL does password generation. We make custom editions of all this stuff for different federal orgs, and one of them once requested that the password generator spit out passwords no less than 22 characters long. |
| 02:35.34 | farmbuyer | Followed by a reminder to the user that they weren't allowed to write down their passwords anywhere, because That Would Be Bad. |
| 02:35.57 | Semlar | you just have to request your password every time you want to log in |
| 02:37.07 | farmbuyer | there was weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness once that got shipped :-) |
| 02:38.36 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/XGt1K8MF it's beautiful neffi |
| 02:39.09 | Neffi | what am looking at |
| 02:39.26 | Torhal | elseif chain of doom. |
| 02:39.32 | Semlar | this does nothing but anchor one of the sides or corners of the frame based on where you clicked it |
| 02:39.50 | Torhal | Needs MOAR elseif. |
| 02:39.58 | Semlar | i have to make my own StartSizing function because the existing one sux |
| 02:40.47 | Semlar | i could probably reduce that if chain down to like one line |
| 02:40.53 | Semlar | one unreadable line |
| 02:40.55 | Torhal | ... |
| 02:41.04 | Torhal | Table of functions, IMO. |
| 02:41.10 | Neffi | here Torhal http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/19033/UIParent.lua#789 |
| 02:41.25 | Torhal | Default UI is really elseif chained. |
| 02:41.59 | Semlar | handle it |
| 02:42.11 | Semlar | i'll clean this up later and by that i mean never |
| 02:42.19 | Torhal | modifies Semlar for CallbackHandler. |
| 02:42.50 | Semlar | i just want to be able to resize the frame without it getting out of control when it hits the min or max size of the window |
| 02:43.24 | Torhal | You're out of control. |
| 02:43.41 | Neffi | applies tranquilizer to Torhal |
| 02:44.13 | Semlar | the edge of the frame gets way offset from the cursor when you hit the minimum size |
| 02:44.34 | Semlar | and it keeps that offset |
| 02:45.04 | Torhal | applies amphetamine to Neffi. |
| 02:45.15 | Semlar | speed kills |
| 02:45.56 | Semlar | buckle up neffi |
| 02:47.12 | Mr_Rabies | ugh |
| 02:47.23 | Mr_Rabies | i started retrying green fire about an hour ago |
| 02:47.25 | Mr_Rabies | still no progress |
| 02:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | these felhunters |
| 02:47.59 | Neffi | you must become the master of demons to be worthy Mr_Rabies |
| 02:48.02 | Neffi | become the felhunter |
| 02:48.51 | jazper- | Hmm, is there a wow function that converts epoch time to a more readable format? |
| 02:49.01 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies: Is it really worth the aggravation you seem to be going through? It is supposed to be a game...and fun to boot. |
| 02:49.02 | Semlar | there's the date function |
| 02:49.17 | Semlar | which formats time() |
| 02:49.29 | jazper- | O.o |
| 02:49.36 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/API_date |
| 02:49.45 | Semlar | http://www.lua.org/pil/22.1.html |
| 02:50.24 | jazper- | idk how i missed that lol |
| 02:50.28 | jazper- | thx |
| 02:52.39 | Mr_Rabies | some great bugs with it |
| 02:52.58 | Mr_Rabies | 1) the pit lord randomly breaks regardless of felhunters being there |
| 02:53.04 | Mr_Rabies | 2) you can despawn the pitlord entirely |
| 02:53.12 | Mr_Rabies | which i've done like twice |
| 02:54.27 | Torhal | Semlar went on a date with time? |
| 02:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | i really want the title and FoS, Thunder_Child |
| 02:55.12 | Mr_Rabies | and with 6.0.3 tomorrow it may get removed |
| 02:55.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm done though, i think |
| 02:55.25 | kd3 | you've got until warlords |
| 02:55.35 | Mr_Rabies | maybe, maybe not |
| 02:55.46 | Mr_Rabies | the patch notes say it's supposed to be gone already |
| 02:57.01 | kd3 | the beta patch notes do - the live patch notes don't mention it |
| 02:58.01 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 02:58.13 | Mr_Rabies | so the patch notes that guy went berserk over weren't even the right ones :v |
| 02:58.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'm gonna try to get better gear in the meantime i guess, but it's rough |
| 02:58.59 | Mr_Rabies | there's still a pretty significant gap at 520 or so |
| 03:00.09 | Mr_Rabies | apparently with good enough gear you can tear it up in there with demo but |
| 03:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | i think my best so far is 15% |
| 03:00.29 | Mr_Rabies | it entirely relies on the felhunters to not bug out |
| 03:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | or the pit lord to not bug out, as well |
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| 03:32.32 | Shirik | now for the ultimate question |
| 03:32.35 | Shirik | do I buy civ be |
| 03:32.53 | kd3 | do you want to get any sleep for a month? yes? then don't buy it |
| 03:33.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Yes |
| 03:43.46 | Shirik | how to know your internet speed is good enough |
| 03:43.57 | Shirik | steam complains that it has to wait for your hard drive: http://i.gyazo.com/a9910da8970907909350ece300c780b6.png |
| 03:43.58 | Xandr | If I have multiple textures on a frame, that are basically all the same texture file, just different parts, using SetTexCoord. Is there a way to have them actually use the same instance, so when I then swap to a different file, all the others update too? |
| 03:44.16 | kd3 | first world problems, shirik |
| 03:45.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Or you have a shitty HDD. |
| 03:47.12 | Shirik | or steam is incredibly inefficient |
| 03:47.37 | Shirik | on a serious note the number of applications out there that read 1 byte from a download stream and then write 1 byte to disk, in a loop, is astounding |
| 03:47.41 | Neffi | Xandr: no |
| 03:47.45 | Shirik | I don't think that's what steam is doing, but it's not uncommon |
| 03:48.02 | Neffi | you can wrap the construct in an abstracted API. but there's no support for this in the WoW API |
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| 05:18.41 | Semlar | wraps neffi in an abstract api |
| 05:19.55 | Neffi | thanks man |
| 05:42.29 | Kesava | sounds warm. |
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| 05:58.29 | Mr_Rabies | lol, everyone using tradeforwarder on my realm right now is in my guild :v |
| 06:04.21 | Fisker | Poor ressy |
| 06:12.53 | Fisker | I miss Cairenn |
| 06:15.25 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 06:15.56 | Mr_Rabies | is there a way to tell an itemID with an easy /script mouseover macro or something? :O |
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| 06:24.02 | Mr_Rabies | got one :p |
| 06:24.20 | Mr_Rabies | got a world drop recipe that has been charred, so wanted to know what it was |
| 06:30.56 | Mr_Rabies | i think i'm gonna have a new pastime |
| 06:31.24 | Mr_Rabies | signing up for raids that specify an item level requirement in the description but not actually requiring that ilvl on a level 1 char |
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| 07:15.22 | Neffi | Now I wonder why I needed to close Quassel to uninstall GTK# <_< |
| 07:16.24 | Kalroth | using the monolithic version? |
| 07:16.30 | Neffi | yeah |
| 07:16.39 | Kalroth | probably why |
| 07:17.05 | Neffi | o.O still confused, but don't care enough to poke further |
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| 08:30.12 | Fisker | shuffles back into place |
| 08:35.07 | Kalroth | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZYJIwfUbo the Fisker theme song |
| 08:40.21 | Mr_Rabies | this is my theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZZxsSdKiOM |
| 08:41.34 | Kalroth | that video is giving me rabies |
| 08:47.15 | karl_w_w | that's Mr Rabies to you |
| 08:50.43 | Kalroth | rabbles at Fisker |
| 08:50.48 | Fisker | = |
| 08:50.49 | Fisker | ? |
| 08:51.31 | Kalroth | don't question it |
| 08:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure this is the fisker theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrYbKBrI7o |
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| 09:50.39 | karl_w_w | I love google plus's layout |
| 09:51.00 | karl_w_w | just chuck everything on the same page in a seemingly random order |
| 09:51.13 | karl_w_w | why not? |
| 09:51.41 | karl_w_w | fuck it, why have dates at all? time is only the 4th dimension |
| 09:52.24 | Neffi | sounds like you *don't* actually love google plus's layout |
| 09:52.32 | Neffi | it's ok though. most people don't. |
| 09:59.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's the new google way |
| 09:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | whitespace and random reorganization of things for seemingly no reason |
| 09:59.36 | Mr_Rabies | oh, and removing features |
| 10:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | gotta make the bosses think you're working so gotta fix what ain't broken, constantly |
| 10:00.16 | Mr_Rabies | or break what's fixed so you can fix that |
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| 10:32.59 | Constie | "Resolved an issue where multi-passenger vehicles entering your character's viewing area could cause them to be booted to the character selection screen." |
| 10:33.02 | Constie | How? |
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| 11:04.21 | Mr_Rabies | woop woop pull over that tire's too fat |
| 11:04.22 | Mr_Rabies | imo |
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| 11:31.38 | Xuerian | Shirik: BE is fun, but it's just a shame they only brought back the "Orbital" layer, instead of fully multi-layer maps from Civ2-ToT (Which apparently hardly anyone remembers, but was amazing.) |
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| 11:43.17 | Kalroth | The orbital layer is more of an annoyance than anything, maybe if there were more satellite types |
| 11:46.25 | Xuerian | It, like the rest of BE, seems like a really solid platform for a few DLC |
| 11:46.47 | Kalroth | yup, sadly it does feel like a half-assed release |
| 11:47.39 | Kalroth | native aliens are also terrible, either they dont matter at all or there's 7 spawns around your first city and 12 squids and krakens waiting outside |
| 11:47.40 | Xuerian | Not as bad a BF4.5, but I can see where that feeling comes from, yeah |
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| 12:00.05 | Kalroth | but to be fair, Civ5 wasn't super great at launch either, it needed a patch or two and an expansion :) |
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| 12:25.34 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:37.04 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, fabulous ones. Good morning, Fabulous Fisker. |
| 12:37.32 | Fisker | :o |
| 12:54.02 | Kalroth | :O |
| 12:56.27 | Fisker | >:O |
| 12:56.35 | |Jelly| | :O |
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| 13:31.46 | karl_w_w | .:Xuerian:. It, like the rest of BE, seems like a really solid platform for a few DLC <- isn't that the case with all Civ games? |
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| 14:39.35 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian: ToT was not Sid (or even Brian), so there was nothing to 'bring back'. |
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| 15:10.41 | Amarande | soo ... how's the addon ecosystem looking for 6.0.2 (in particular, how well has it handled the merger of quest log and map, since I've always used an addon for each)? |
| 15:28.51 | Amarande | Also, glad I haven't mained a warlock in aeons. I guess Alvaerin is going to collect dust for another expansion :) |
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| 15:52.32 | Amarande | btw, you know what just occurred to me that seems weird? |
| 15:52.37 | Amarande | that the expansion is going live on a Thursday |
| 15:53.11 | Fisker | Why? |
| 15:53.12 | Amarande | when usually games in general, and pretty much anything from Blizz WoW-wise except for seasonal events/DMF launches on a Tuesday :) |
| 15:53.36 | nevcairiel | its not on a tuesday because the blizzcon is the weekend before, so they wanted people to have more time to get back home |
| 15:53.49 | Amarande | plus 11.11 is a great easy to remember date for marketing |
| 15:53.55 | Amarande | ahh, that's right |
| 15:54.15 | Amarande | although blizzcon ends on Sunday, doesn't it? not like say Dragon Con that goes through Monday? |
| 15:54.41 | Amarande | though yeah, Monday would be a lot of people's travel days, since you don't want to go home the last day of Con |
| 15:54.53 | Torhal | Some people stay in Anaheim a day or two after, as well. |
| 15:55.18 | Amarande | then you're stuck having to miss the last day to get to airport security in time, especially with a West Coast event where a lot of people have to fly home especially early thanks to losing hours on the way back East :P |
| 15:55.51 | nevcairiel | doesnt the con end saturday evening already |
| 15:56.22 | Amarande | heh. now I'm trying to remember the last time I went to the West Coast and didn't have to either spend the return night in the Port Authority bus terminal or take an overnight flight home |
| 15:56.52 | nevcairiel | if you're from europe, any flight back home from the US is overnight |
| 15:56.58 | Fisker | Blizzard doesn't release on a Tuesday anymore though |
| 15:57.00 | Amarande | ah, yeah, it does end the 8th |
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| 15:57.25 | Amarande | yeah, but Europe generally has better intercity transit flexibility |
| 15:57.37 | Fisker | Likely more the fact they'll want Asian maintenance to be done as well? |
| 15:57.50 | Amarande | to get home from NYC, if I don't want to pay out the nose for a private car, I have to either get back to the bus terminal by 8PM or wait till 6:15 the next morning |
| 16:00.08 | Amarande | I'm not even sure what day Asian maintenance is, come to think of it |
| 16:00.17 | nevcairiel | usually thursdays |
| 16:00.24 | Amarande | I know US is Tuesday (Ama, why did you think of installing WoW again at the moment? LOL) and EU is Wednesday |
| 16:00.25 | nevcairiel | tue US, wed EU, thur Asia |
| 16:00.48 | Amarande | probably slips my mind because the last Blizzard game I've thought of even playing in Asia in is D2 |
| 16:01.13 | Amarande | because apparently Asia realm has a lot less trouble with duping and RMT (ironic since so many of the firms that sell such stuff are based in China, but yeah, apparently that's the case) |
| 16:01.46 | Amarande | I do actually think of getting EU WoW every now and then, otoh :) |
| 16:02.08 | nevcairiel | dont, we're all very unfriendly |
| 16:02.19 | Amarande | mind you, tbh, I keep thinking they should just merge the regions, like every other MMO does these days |
| 16:02.41 | Amarande | but I'd hate to be the Blizzard guy trying to explain to the shareholders why a decision should be allowed that reduces revenue :) |
| 16:03.11 | nevcairiel | the percentage of people paying for two licenses in both EU and US is probably very minimal |
| 16:04.39 | Amarande | yeah, I only know one or two people that do |
| 16:04.41 | nevcairiel | but doing this after the fact is just much work for no "real" gain, certainly a few people would like to be able to play with people from somewhere else, but the majority wouldn't care |
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| 16:04.48 | nevcairiel | there is realm name collisions and whatnot to think about |
| 16:05.03 | nevcairiel | dont really want to shove them into the same LFR/LFG or BG pool either because of latency |
| 16:05.17 | Amarande | yeah, that's true ... MMOs that were international from the get go made a point not to duplicate server names cross region |
| 16:05.33 | Amarande | or language barriers, at that |
| 16:05.45 | Amarande | a lot of NA players seem to bitch heavily when they get stuck with Latin American players |
| 16:06.07 | nevcairiel | the european language pools are separated, they dont mix anyway |
| 16:06.22 | nevcairiel | ie. a german player on a german realm will never get grouped with french or english players |
| 16:06.42 | nevcairiel | guess latin american wasn't big enough to sustain itself |
| 16:07.09 | Amarande | hm, this expansion looks like it will be a good one ... there only seem to be two main sources of QQ that I'm noticing |
| 16:07.43 | Amarande | apparently, warlocks are back to being the schoolyard butt monkey in PvP |
| 16:07.53 | Amarande | and there seems to be a lot of anxiety about the future of heirlooms |
| 16:08.19 | Amarande | not that I've concerned myself that much about heirlooms generally, otoh, and my highest level warlock has been collecting dust for a while, a little more dust won't hurt I guess :P |
| 16:09.08 | Amarande | (although these two sources of discontent seem to tie together for warlock mainers, since the only really sane source of heirlooms anymore seems to BE PvP, heh) |
| 16:11.07 | Semlar | what |
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| 16:13.38 | Amarande | Semlar: they took away JP heirloom purchases altogether, unlike other JP items that went to being bought for gold |
| 16:13.45 | Semlar | yeah, temporarily |
| 16:14.05 | Amarande | and Champion's Seals and DMF are not being regarded very happily as substitutes |
| 16:14.21 | nevcairiel | 6.1 will revamp the heirloom system, t hey didnt want them to be available temporarily for gold and get yelled at later that people wasted gold :p |
| 16:14.25 | Amarande | (mainly because DMF is only one week a month, and Champion's Seals not only take a lot longer, but there's the matter of how reliably valuable the minipets are on the AH) |
| 16:15.03 | Amarande | as for why lock mains would be pissed, it's because the only heirloom acquisition through "normal" points that was left untouched (not counting the ones for gold from guild vendors) was PvP |
| 16:15.14 | Amarande | and apparently, warlocks have gone back to the bottom of the lose pile for PvP, about as bad as was the case in late BC |
| 16:15.14 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14420192331 |
| 16:15.34 | Amarande | yeah, I'm reading that topic now |
| 16:16.11 | Semlar | so just don't buy heirlooms until they've been put back |
| 16:17.09 | Semlar | i thought they were going to make an heirloom interface like the toy box |
| 16:17.35 | Amarande | yeah, that's been pushed back too |
| 16:17.53 | Amarande | seems to be a lot of fear that it's going to get forgotten and not come back for a long long time |
| 16:17.58 | Semlar | i assume none of those heirlooms are going to work in WoD so it's not a big deal |
| 16:18.08 | Amarande | or that the new "holistic solution" is going to be the blizzard store :P |
| 16:18.10 | nevcairiel | nah the highest looms top out at 85 still |
| 16:18.23 | Semlar | so it's pretty much just the weapon off garrosh |
| 16:18.31 | nevcairiel | which remains unchanged |
| 16:18.43 | nevcairiel | you never had looms for current leveling content |
| 16:18.49 | nevcairiel | its meant as a catch up for old content for alts |
| 16:18.57 | Amarande | yeah, that's another thing bandied about |
| 16:19.10 | Amarande | that they don't want fast leveling to be as accessible anymore because then people won't buy the $60 boost as much |
| 16:19.26 | Semlar | that's preposterous |
| 16:19.29 | Amarande | I'm not sure, how popular is the boost actually proving to be? |
| 16:19.38 | nevcairiel | nonsense, they announced the loom thing month ago, you had month of time to farm justice and buy all the looms you needed |
| 16:19.39 | Semlar | probably pretty popular regardless |
| 16:19.40 | Torhal | passes tinfoil hats around. |
| 16:19.58 | Amarande | otoh, I can actually agree when I thought of it with them not making them available for gold like other JP items |
| 16:20.17 | Amarande | given the pressure there is on players to have looms in places (not so much dungeons, but apparently lower level BG folks make it a virtual expectation) |
| 16:20.50 | Amarande | like, say goodbye to any sort of balanced market for peacebloom/silverleaf/copper/tin because low levelers would be inflating prices to afford heirlooms so they can bg |
| 16:21.55 | Semlar | i don't know how long it takes to get to 90 any more, but it has to be at least 24 hours |
| 16:22.02 | Torhal | Always with the negative sensationalism. |
| 16:22.40 | Semlar | i know a lot of people would rather spend money than waste that much time doing something they don't want to do |
| 16:23.10 | Amarande | yeah, there's probably some people who would |
| 16:24.05 | Amarande | myself, I can't get behind it, except maybe ... well ... I guess there's one thing I might use it for, I'll probably save the boost that comes with WoD for it |
| 16:24.08 | Semlar | as that number approaches the amount of money you would make in the same amount of time, it starts becoming a bad idea not to |
| 16:24.25 | Amarande | if I ever decide to try a PvP server again, because leveling on such servers is just plain hell (unless you were around on said server long enough to have had looms) |
| 16:25.00 | Amarande | it was nice enough till I hit 40 and then OW |
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| 16:25.09 | nevcairiel | you can mail looms across realms now |
| 16:25.29 | Amarande | Doesn't help that there's like, 2 choices for leveling at 40, and questing EPL in particular is painful on PvP servers |
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| 16:26.03 | Semlar | that's your own fault for picking a pvp server |
| 16:26.07 | Amarande | because they added that rare hunter pet to the mausoleum area (forget what it's called, it's the one in the SW part of the zone), so a 90 hunter actually had a reasonable reason to keep killing you every time you tried to quest (you might accidentally kill their wanted pet when it spawns) |
| 16:26.22 | Torhal | ...always with the negative sensationalism. For hours. And then more hours. |
| 16:26.26 | Semlar | and honestly i haven't set foot outside of a town while leveling a new character since they added LFG |
| 16:26.42 | Amarande | yeah, I switched to Area 52 after that :) |
| 16:26.49 | Amarande | since it seems to be the best horde megaserver that isn't PvP |
| 16:27.18 | Semlar | tries to calm torhal down |
| 16:27.30 | Torhal | tries to amp Semlar up. |
| 16:27.43 | Semlar | becomes manic |
| 16:27.52 | Torhal | Oh, noes. |
| 16:28.02 | Semlar | you better take responsibility |
| 16:28.05 | Amarande | get the feeling I know why Illidan has dropped in relative population and Tich has taken over as #1, though |
| 16:28.21 | Amarande | Illidan not only had cred, but it was "the PvP server that's not really PvP" ... but no more since MoP |
| 16:29.38 | Semlar | i see people are still complaining about not being able to use castsequence macros for their entire rotations |
| 16:30.26 | Amarande | heh |
| 16:30.51 | Amarande | and then they accuse casuals of having things dumbed down |
| 16:31.05 | Amarande | from what I've seen, it seems to be supposed hardcore raiders who whine and demand simplification |
| 16:31.24 | Amarande | given that blizz and activision are the same company, these folks should be told to sod off |
| 16:31.37 | Amarande | and reminded that if they want a game that's a simple button pusher, activision has a product for them too, it's called call of duty |
| 16:32.15 | Amarande | if you want to play WoW, get used to having to, you know, actually learn rotations and prepare each week for raids ... Just want to hit the shoot button and log on when you just feel like a match? GO PLAY COD |
| 16:32.40 | Semlar | they're complaining because they're crippled and apparently incapable of pushing more than one button |
| 16:33.14 | Amarande | heh, or maybe they're bots, and want to get around the botting rules by outsourcing it from the computer to one of those novelty drinking ducks :P |
| 16:35.48 | Amarande | I've never really quite understood that brand of gamer |
| 16:35.58 | Amarande | "we want to game, but we don't want to actually play the game" |
| 16:36.26 | Semlar | because they're playing to socialize |
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| 17:08.44 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: Civ5 was lacking in a lot of ways as a base game, and also had a lot of issues. BE is (Predictably) less problematic. |
| 17:09.18 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: The whole "It wasn't the mainline game so we can just ignore it" thing is really annoying with civ, ToT was an amazing game and not picking up the improvements they made was silly. |
| 17:09.56 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian: That's not what I said. |
| 17:09.59 | Constie | I basically only played Civilization V when it had just come out, and I found the combat AI really lacking. |
| 17:10.41 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Please rephrase then, because that's what it sounded like. |
| 17:10.53 | Simca | everything in Civ 5 was lacking at launch, tbh |
| 17:11.43 | Simca | but then again that was the story of Civ 4 too, until BTS |
| 17:11.53 | Simca | seems a general pattern at this point |
| 17:12.01 | Fisker | fgsfds Simca |
| 17:12.04 | Simca | of releasing mediocre base games |
| 17:12.11 | Simca | and improving them substantially through expansions |
| 17:12.17 | Amarande | heh, speaking of AI, are all the computer nations still the Grand Alliance of Kill the Player? |
| 17:12.21 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian: My comment was semantics, so never mind. That being said, 'improvements' is subjective. I didn't particularly like that layer anymore than I like the current layer. |
| 17:12.38 | Amarande | which is apparently a common issue in civ-type games |
| 17:13.07 | Amarande | even when nations ought to be independent and even rivals of one another, if it's player vs. robots, the AI countries suddenly magically set aside their differences and come after you like the USA and USSR against Hitler |
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| 17:14.10 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Ah, well, I guess it's subjective, but having surface/submarine or surface/space or homeworld-colony+ was really enjoyable for me. /shrug |
| 17:14.16 | Amarande | because the designer thinks in terms of "it's a computer game and the idea is whether or not the human player wins or loses" rather than in terms of realistic sim, heh |
| 17:14.57 | Amarande | Simca: this seems to be a lot of game publishers lately ... "you want the full experience? buy this DLC!" |
| 17:15.08 | Xuerian | Amarande: I haven't experienced that in 5(g&k+) or BE so far, really. |
| 17:15.54 | Amarande | Simca: apparently, it's a way of dealing with the fact that development costs are rising and players would balk at the idea of the base game price (for a non-collector's edition, anyway) going up with them ... you make the DLC more important |
| 17:16.16 | Amarande | (although now you get players balking at the fact that purchasing the DLC becomes more and more of a basic expectation instead of an add-on) |
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| 18:24.08 | jleclanche | hi honeys I'm home |
| 18:24.12 | jleclanche | who wants google domains invites? |
| 18:24.47 | Thunder_Child | So they are a registrar? |
| 18:25.25 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: Hell I'll take one, I'm usually happy with google's products. |
| 18:26.13 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: pm me your email |
| 18:29.24 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: Does it have pricing somewhere I am missing? |
| 18:29.34 | jleclanche | idk |
| 18:29.38 | jleclanche | Im not in the us |
| 18:34.20 | Fisker | $12-20 |
| 18:34.22 | Fisker | I believe |
| 18:34.30 | Fisker | With their current domains anyway |
| 18:34.57 | Stanzilla | someone want an google inbox invite? (does not work with gapps) |
| 18:42.35 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: yeah |
| 18:44.27 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: I would love to :) |
| 18:44.56 | jleclanche | Maldivia: gimme your email and ill invite you next wave, he doesn't have any more than I do |
| 18:45.18 | Maldivia | jleclanche: maldivia@ |
| 18:45.23 | jleclanche | k |
| 18:47.59 | Maldivia | thanks :) |
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| 19:01.22 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: me |
| 19:01.31 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck doesnt it work with gapps |
| 19:01.45 | Stanzilla | out of invs srory |
| 19:01.56 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: ! |
| 19:02.02 | Stanzilla | he too |
| 19:02.51 | Arrowmaster | you should find me one |
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| 19:05.06 | Fisker | idk Arrowmaster |
| 19:05.18 | Fisker | Google doesn't care about gapps people |
| 19:05.47 | Amarande | heh, they've been busy shoveling all the social stuff into Hangouts instead |
| 19:05.52 | Arrowmaster | we couldnt use g+ for the longest time |
| 19:06.02 | Amarande | which, apparently, is because of Apple |
| 19:06.13 | Amarande | or at least partially |
| 19:06.27 | Amarande | I suspect a major reason that Voice was moved into Hangouts was because Apple was doing their damnedest to keep Voice off of iOS |
| 19:06.50 | Amarande | it was not a good hour in Apple's history |
| 19:07.07 | Fisker | The only good hour is when they disband the company |
| 19:07.17 | Amarande | they pulled all Voice apps, both the unofficial ones AND Google's official one, and absolutely stonewalled the developers when they asked "how can I fix this app so it will be approved" |
| 19:07.20 | Amarande | they were literally like "we can't say" |
| 19:07.22 | Amarande | like, wtf |
| 19:07.41 | Amarande | mind you, this could get dismissed as a conspiracy theory, but it seems to be pretty prevailing to think that it was a coverup |
| 19:07.49 | Arrowmaster | im so happy we have voice in hangouts now |
| 19:07.51 | Amarande | as in the real reason was their partnership with carriers, especially AT&T |
| 19:08.08 | Amarande | who didn't want any kind of VOIP apps getting onto the iPhone because then people could use data instead of minutes :P |
| 19:08.13 | Arrowmaster | voice app was so shit, and now i can send and receive pics too |
| 19:09.06 | Amarande | I'm still wondering how that's going to work when the industry wants to do away with separate notions of voice minutes and texts and make *everything* be based on a data model |
| 19:09.13 | Amarande | I can't see how that's going to work business wise :S |
| 19:09.48 | Amarande | Given how many minutes you can get into a gig if we're talking audio at the bitrates used for cell conversations, either they're going to lose a ton of money on minutes, or they'll have to make gigs so expensive everyone's going to balk |
| 19:10.51 | Amarande | but yeah, put voice in hangouts and suddenly it's not "just" a voip app |
| 19:11.08 | Amarande | just like skype can claim to be a messenger app as well (another impetus to move the messenger part into hangouts, too) |
| 19:11.58 | Stanzilla | voice already works in hangouts |
| 19:12.06 | Stanzilla | and in 25 countries calls under a minute are free |
| 19:14.01 | Amarande | yeah, that's where they moved it :) |
| 19:14.16 | Amarande | but apparently the standalone voice app had problems getting on iOS, which seems to have been a major reason they did |
| 19:14.28 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 19:15.47 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster Maldivia etc you guys did email inbox@google right? |
| 19:16.18 | Maldivia | ofcourse |
| 19:16.29 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:18.14 | Maldivia | uhhh... Inhumans movie coming in 2018 |
| 19:24.40 | Teazle | anyone have any experience with Masque? If i add a button to Masque my buttons doesnt seem to wanna skin properly - if i select a circular "theme" my icons still wanna show themself as a square. they do update desired icon though, any common mistakes to this?.. |
| 19:29.16 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: well email them then |
| 19:29.22 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: they send invites after a while |
| 19:32.59 | karl_w_w | Fisker, I found a game for you http://www.hellokittyonline.com/ |
| 19:38.11 | Amarande | karl_w_w: hah, I think I've heard that one said to people in /2 plenty of times :) |
| 19:49.39 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/ZwsbXYN1 |
| 19:50.37 | foxlit | {*?} makes for an amusing format string. |
| 19:57.18 | Semlar | what does "control" reference inside the restricted environment |
| 19:57.51 | nevcairiel | i think they got rid of that, and it just refers to the header itself now |
| 19:58.41 | Semlar | ah |
| 20:00.32 | Stanzilla | @Bashiok: The build we had of 6.0.3 had some issues. Going to take time to generate/upload a new one. Setting maint. time back to 4pm. |
| 20:00.37 | Stanzilla | thx US for beta testing for us again |
| 20:00.51 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:00.56 | Ressy | lol |
| 20:01.06 | Amarande | I guess it's just as well that I'm not sure how much bandwidth I've used this month and thus am waiting till Saturday to even think of reinstalling WoW |
| 20:01.16 | Fisker | Yeah it's not like EU feedback counts :3 |
| 20:01.28 | Fisker | Hey Ressy I'm sad |
| 20:01.39 | Amarande | Fisker: or feedback in general, judging by an awful lot of forum goers |
| 20:01.59 | Amarande | there seems to be a sentiment that Blizzard asks for feedback and then just goes and does what they were originally planning to do anyway |
| 20:02.47 | Amarande | like, basically ... Blizzard feedback department: http://www.baronbob.com/images/products/traptrap.jpg :) |
| 20:04.22 | Amarande | ... followed usually by about five pages of people flame-warring over "we pay for it" people feeling that products should be tailored to the desires of the customer vs. "it's their game, take it or leave it" folks feeling that it's Blizzard's baby and customers are over entitled |
| 20:04.45 | Amarande | I should probably quit reading the Blizzard forums, apart from purely technical announcements :S |
| 20:05.01 | Amarande | and possibly guild recruitment or raidpug when applicable |
| 20:05.09 | Simca | I followed forums avidly for like 5 years |
| 20:05.23 | Simca | eventually i learned how much of a waste of time it is to try to convince other people of anything |
| 20:05.36 | Simca | you waste your time and their time and nobody learns anything |
| 20:05.55 | Simca | that describes the blizzard forums perfectly: a waste of time for everyone involved |
| 20:06.25 | karl_w_w | why is the sky green? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFeLkNtpF5c |
| 20:06.37 | Amarande | Simca: heh, most of the time, that's more like s/blizzard forums/life/ |
| 20:06.53 | kd3|hate`net | karl, that's usually a sign that you're about to get blown around by a tornado |
| 20:07.09 | Amarande | especially third-millennium life |
| 20:07.31 | Amarande | attempting an argument generally tends to approximate a situation not unlike a seki in go |
| 20:07.47 | Amarande | or maybe a mutual zugzwang in chess |
| 20:08.19 | Amarande | but probably more like go ... since sitting tight and passing isn't an option in chess :) |
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| 20:19.29 | kd3 | huh, wow, so the minor bugfix patch has more downtime than the big massive warlords system-changing patch? |
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| 20:21.54 | Amarande | kd3, let's just hope it doesn't introduce little changes to the Lua system that break addons all over the place like I've seen with some 'minor bugfix' patches in the past :S |
| 20:23.04 | Amarande | especially since they've got the SW:TOR expansion to compete with this season, too |
| 20:23.13 | Amarande | and signing up for FFXIV is about 15 bucks cheaper than WoD will be, as well |
| 20:24.12 | Amarande | btw, before I go looking around, is there a good replacement for mapster and questguru now that the map and quest log are merged? |
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| 20:28.37 | kullervo | build fail |
| 20:35.38 | kullervo | "fail" is such an overused term these days that even if used as an accurate description it looks like something one'd hear from an angry kid |
| 20:38.21 | Amarande | (btw, is WoD $40 like expansions have usually been or am I mistaken on the price?) |
| 20:40.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's $50 |
| 20:42.25 | Amarande | wow, 25% more than expansions have been |
| 20:42.46 | Xuerian | Yeah, it's worth more because you had to wait through two years of nothing to get it |
| 20:43.16 | Amarande | heh, I'd say MoP wasn't that bad, but taking a look sales wise ... well let's put it this way |
| 20:43.36 | Amarande | about a couple weeks ago I was in Best Buy and they *still* had a copy of MoP collectors edition sitting there looking like a sad panda on the shelf |
| 20:43.44 | Torhal | Amarande: nevcairiel updated Mapster, and he now also has Quester. |
| 20:44.08 | nevcairiel | why do you hate me so Torhal |
| 20:44.26 | Torhal | I don't! I was just being helpful! |
| 20:44.31 | nevcairiel | not to me! |
| 20:44.34 | Torhal | :/ |
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| 20:58.25 | Fisker | Do you hate me Torhal ? |
| 20:59.40 | pompy | http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/28/twitch-clamps-down-on-nudity-and-sexually-suggestive-clothing lol |
| 21:00.50 | Mr_Rabies | "Shortly after the announcement Twitch implemented a technology that scans and mutes in-game and background music of video on-demand footage for copyrighted music." |
| 21:00.58 | Mr_Rabies | this was actually before the announcement |
| 21:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | oh game journalism :< |
| 21:07.33 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.54 | Amarande | pompy: you can feel free to dress your character in a Robe of Insight but apparently you can't dress in one yourself? LOL |
| 21:09.26 | Amarande | not that most of us would want to be seen in one |
| 21:09.42 | Amarande | though actually the male model for that piece is rather ordinary, IIRC, so heh |
| 21:11.38 | Torhal | No, Fisker. |
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| 21:11.53 | Fisker | Good |
| 21:12.06 | Amarande | wonder what it is about Internet services getting so morally-conservative lately though |
| 21:12.19 | Amarande | I hope it's not the fairly obvious seeming reason that I keep thinking it might be :| |
| 21:13.17 | Amarande | namely, that we have a two-party system here in the States, and the Democrats seem to be pretty strongly indicated in the Great Copyright vs. Freedom Wars as being allied to the content industry |
| 21:13.41 | Amarande | which would seem to suggest that the providers of major Internet services would be forced, nolens volens, to seek political aid from the Republicans, with all that means :| |
| 21:13.57 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.00 | Mr_Rabies | because so far it hasn't hurt business much to be morally conservative, but morally liberal means lots and lots of groups get "outraged" regularly |
| 21:14.23 | jleclanche | Amarande: is that the logic you're going with? "My character in a video game can do it, so I should be able to do it too"? |
| 21:15.03 | Mr_Rabies | name it frank, foxlit |
| 21:15.08 | Amarande | jleclanche: heh, well, it does seem to be a little silly to crack down on streaming folks' attire, given the attire the in-game characters frequently wear :S |
| 21:15.23 | jleclanche | that *is* the logic you're going with. wow. |
| 21:15.39 | jleclanche | Amarande: remind me not to give you any guns |
| 21:15.47 | Amarande | ummmm |
| 21:16.00 | Amarande | the difference is that people don't *die* because a woman's wearing a bikini |
| 21:16.06 | Thunder_Child | No no, give him guns. That may deal with our problem. |
| 21:16.31 | Amarande | well, at least not unless you live in some ultra-fundamentalist theocracy where they shoot and beat people for doing that, I suppose :S |
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| 21:17.08 | jleclanche | Amarande: this is aimed at guys mostly |
| 21:17.17 | jleclanche | who were streaming with their shirt off |
| 21:17.22 | jleclanche | (good fucking riddance, Zilea) |
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| 21:17.54 | Amarande | but really, I don't see how it was such a big deal |
| 21:20.22 | Mr_Rabies | i think it was just addressing several issues at once with a carefully edited set of rules, but as per usual it's probably nowhere near as cut and dry as they planned |
| 21:23.02 | jleclanche | "There is something very attractive about these body parts. They show just how much bookbinders and readers were in tune with the needs of the book as an object." |
| 21:23.08 | jleclanche | I like this a lot, out of context. |
| 21:25.03 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:25.22 | Unkle | Auto-play of video = HULK SMASH |
| 21:26.12 | Thunder_Child | HULK SMASH = auto-play of video. |
| 21:26.52 | Semlar | due to the transitive property |
| 21:27.18 | Semlar | of hulk smash |
| 21:27.34 | Amarande | "You are now watching Insanity TV. To abort, please press 3, O, B, S, ], num-pad 5, down arrow, and Tab together with single appendage" |
| 21:28.03 | Unkle | All things are smash-able. HULK does not care for rules of PUNY HUMANS! |
| 21:28.47 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think i'm ever gonna get Walk Like an Egyptian out of my head |
| 21:29.14 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:29.18 | Unkle | Welcome to the 80s, Mr_Rabies |
| 21:29.35 | Amarande | Play some Mario, it'll get rid of your current ear worm |
| 21:29.51 | Mr_Rabies | I've been watching the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure anime and that's the second outro song |
| 21:30.03 | Mr_Rabies | the first is Roundabout by Yes, which is good but way less memorable |
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| 21:45.58 | kd3 | an update on the xp grinding nerf mechanic: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15007430804?page=24#466 |
| 21:47.09 | Mr_Rabies | wonder if it would have triggered on my normal 85-90 leveling experience of grinding worms on timeless isle |
| 21:49.11 | Mr_Rabies | they're not rapidly respawning mobs but there are packs of 10 or so that you can kill within about a second on a 90 of any gear level |
| 21:49.20 | Mr_Rabies | or could, before the squish, haven't tried it since |
| 21:49.21 | pompy | http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv/collection/29051f2bb545 tminus 34 minutes |
| 21:49.24 | Mr_Rabies | possible they got adjusted |
| 21:49.32 | nevcairiel | thats certainly not an intended form of leveling, not that they care this late in an expansion |
| 21:49.45 | Amarande | kd3: heh, I like the post that's 2 above that one |
| 21:49.48 | nevcairiel | they would care if its right at the start |
| 21:49.49 | Amarande | and usually I hate gnomes, LOL |
| 21:49.59 | Mr_Rabies | the dailies just killed questing in pandaria |
| 21:50.13 | Mr_Rabies | so i could get from 85-90 in about 6 hours /played if i let rest exp build up |
| 21:50.18 | Mr_Rabies | twice that time otherwise |
| 21:50.52 | Mr_Rabies | the dailies just about killed questing in general for me |
| 21:51.11 | Semlar | wait, they made it so you get less experience for killing the same stuff repeatedly? |
| 21:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | they were dangerously close to going past the point of no return with dailies |
| 21:51.52 | nevcairiel | Semlar: that wasn't strictly their intent, but thats what happened |
| 21:51.57 | Semlar | this seems like it would have horrible consequences for anyone running dungeons to level |
| 21:52.04 | Mr_Rabies | after a significant amount of quickly killing the same mobs in a short period |
| 21:52.15 | nevcairiel | dungeons dont usually are all the same mob |
| 21:52.17 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't gradual, you'd just get 10% of exp after it triggered |
| 21:52.28 | Semlar | running the same dungeons would be killing the same mobs |
| 21:52.35 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't likely trigger from that |
| 21:52.48 | nevcairiel | still takes quite a bit of time, and there are bosses and whatnot in between |
| 21:52.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's more like, killing 50 of x mob in less than 2 minutes or whatever |
| 21:53.20 | Mr_Rabies | meant that your exp from those mobs was reduced by 90% |
| 21:53.27 | Semlar | so it only nerfs experience from mass killing the same stuff? |
| 21:53.32 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 21:53.41 | nevcairiel | it didnt work as intended anyway, as watcher explained |
| 21:53.48 | Fisker | shakes Torhal |
| 21:53.52 | nevcairiel | just took them a while to understand why not |
| 21:53.57 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 21:53.59 | ajmitch_ | XP, and apparantly loot as well |
| 21:54.02 | Mr_Rabies | unlikely the dungeon would trigger it unless it was triggering incorrectly |
| 21:54.05 | nevcairiel | hey Fisker |
| 21:54.13 | Mr_Rabies | (which it was) |
| 21:54.44 | nevcairiel | they are disabling it now anyway until it'll be improved |
| 21:54.47 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 21:54.52 | nevcairiel | its been on what, 2 weeks now |
| 21:54.58 | nevcairiel | didnt hurt anyone =) |
| 21:58.04 | Fisker | One day I'm going to sleep |
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| 22:07.26 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: But not today. |
| 22:09.28 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/TLsj53Zd |
| 22:09.56 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.59 | nevcairiel | you can determine column types automagically now? |
| 22:10.30 | foxlit | determine is a bit strong, but I can guess. |
| 22:11.13 | nevcairiel | how reliable does that end up being? |
| 22:12.30 | Unkle | So, if I was going to install a linux distro on my home box for practice purposes - which distro would you guys reccomend? |
| 22:12.40 | foxlit | seems okay to me. Not actually doing much with dbc files, so I can't really say anything beyond that. |
| 22:13.00 | nevcairiel | Unkle: practice what? |
| 22:13.34 | kullervo | debian |
| 22:13.43 | Unkle | All things linux. I barely use any flavor of *nix that isn't Mac OSX so I need to get my hands dirty - I'm resume building. |
| 22:13.43 | Torhal | stirs Fisker. |
| 22:13.51 | Fisker | Why? |
| 22:14.05 | Thunder_Child | Most answers are going to be subjective. |
| 22:14.18 | nevcairiel | get debian jessie then, or maybe ubuntu if you like that sort of thing |
| 22:14.34 | Fisker | Debian and Centos are probably your best bets for what you'll see corporately |
| 22:14.36 | Torhal | Gentoo, so you can compile all the things. |
| 22:14.42 | Unkle | Thunder_Child: I expect so, but I like to poll people more knowledgeable than myself for information. |
| 22:14.45 | Torhal | >.> |
| 22:14.53 | Fisker | Except RHEL I guess |
| 22:15.09 | Fisker | But Centos is similar |
| 22:15.23 | Fisker | So is debian to ubuntu, etc. |
| 22:16.24 | Unkle | Basically I'm going to run it in a VM and practice doing all the things. |
| 22:18.18 | Fisker | Just write on your resume you know chmod |
| 22:20.11 | Arrowmaster | really youll mostly ever see rhel based and debian based |
| 22:20.25 | Unkle | thanks. |
| 22:20.28 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:20.45 | Fisker | didn't already say that at all |
| 22:20.47 | Arrowmaster | i prefer debian but others are on the redhat fence |
| 22:21.35 | Fisker | Me too |
| 22:21.38 | Fisker | Yum is a stupid name |
| 22:21.41 | Fisker | :P |
| 22:22.09 | Amarande | "Other skills: I KNOW KUNG FU" |
| 22:22.09 | Arrowmaster | you might think linux is linux but theres actually a lot of differences in how things are setup like where to configure things in /etc |
| 22:22.14 | Amarande | I almost wrote KUNB FU |
| 22:22.33 | Amarande | I wonder if my monitor backlight is starting to go, or if I'm getting old and need to sit closer or use a bigger font :| |
| 22:22.54 | Fisker | Oh I know Arrowmaster |
| 22:23.24 | Fisker | RHEL also have the weird new nic naming doens't it? |
| 22:23.32 | Fisker | doesn't |
| 22:23.35 | Arrowmaster | first time i used fedora i was like 'wtf is with /etc/system/?' |
| 22:23.38 | jleclanche | who wants a risk of rain key? |
| 22:23.42 | jleclanche | on steam |
| 22:23.51 | Fisker | Only want it on uplay |
| 22:23.57 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 22:24.10 | Arrowmaster | origin or bust |
| 22:24.32 | Amarande | hm |
| 22:24.36 | Amarande | apparently backlight is starting to go :( |
| 22:24.55 | jleclanche | i have some games on origin to give away but I want to wait until origin becomes either extremely bad, or extremely good |
| 22:25.08 | jleclanche | political giveaways yo |
| 22:25.14 | Amarande | jleclanche: that probably depends on whether DA:I is a hit or a flop |
| 22:25.24 | jleclanche | which one is that? |
| 22:25.29 | Amarande | the new Dragon Age |
| 22:27.17 | fewyn | they were trying to launch a "Commercial Resupply Services Flight (Orbital CRS-3)" at NASA, there was an explosion on the launch pad. here's the live feed http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#.VFAXiovF_zl |
| 22:27.28 | fewyn | in virginia |
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| 23:09.59 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: another chip in the RHEL/CentOS pot, it should definitely be among the ones you try |
| 23:12.20 | zenzelezz | I'm probably late to the party, but apparently Nasa wasn't entirely lucky today :-o |
| 23:12.47 | Gnarfoz | rocketry is not for the faint of heart |
| 23:12.57 | Amarande | "IT'S NOT ROCKET SURGERY" |
| 23:13.23 | Gnarfoz | also, that wasn't a NASA rocket :p |
| 23:14.00 | Stanzilla | noone died so feel free to make fun of them |
| 23:14.22 | zenzelezz | I was under the impression Nasa had some equipment onboard |
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| 23:14.56 | Gnarfoz | if I have them put one of my sattelites in orbit, does it make it a Gnarfoz rocket? |
| 23:15.05 | Gnarfoz | that'd be awesome |
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| 23:17.22 | zenzelezz | looked like the rocket apparently just lost lift or something |
| 23:20.33 | zenzelezz | "Definitely do not talk about it outside of our family"; "definitely do not talk to the press". Listening to live streams can be amusing |
| 23:27.56 | kd3 | och, the antares rocket |
| 23:27.58 | kd3 | :( |
| 23:28.35 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: Yeah, it's on the list. I should run out and get some burnable disks. |
| 23:31.08 | Gnarfoz | I thought you said VM? just mount the DVD image (: |
| 23:31.19 | Gnarfoz | oh, no, you didn't |
| 23:31.23 | Gnarfoz | nevermind me |
| 23:32.20 | Unkle | I did say VM, but I might also want some physical media. |
| 23:37.03 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, looked like the launch decoupler failed to seperate properly |
| 23:38.08 | Mr_Rabies | it didn't seem to seperate far enough from the rocket, entirely possible it hit something that caused either mission abort or the actual explosion we saw |
| 23:40.01 | pompy | And astronauts are going up to the ISS from Kazahkstan in about 7 hrs, wonder if they are gunna postpone it in light of this, hm. |
| 23:40.27 | pompy | I was outside ready to see it in the sky and then see that on the live stream >< |
| 23:40.44 | pompy | zenzelezz: it had 5k lbs of cargo |
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| 23:41.44 | Gnarfoz | uh, why would they postpone a launch of Russian spacecraft because of this :o |
| 23:42.09 | kd3 | double-checking the engines? the antares used russian nk-33s iirc |
| 23:43.07 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 23:43.16 | Gnarfoz | oh, yes |
| 23:43.21 | Gnarfoz | why do they use different names |
| 23:43.33 | pompy | different vehicles |
| 23:43.40 | Gnarfoz | ?! |
| 23:43.42 | Gnarfoz | no, that's not it :p |
| 23:43.46 | Gnarfoz | they're modified versions |
| 23:43.53 | kd3 | "The Russian NK-33 was modified and renamed the AJ26-58 by Aerojet." |
| 23:43.58 | Gnarfoz | AJ26-62 vs NK-33 |
| 23:44.03 | Gnarfoz | that ^ |
| 23:44.14 | pompy | the engines you are referring to |
| 23:44.28 | pompy | because aerojet did the refurb? |
| 23:44.37 | Gnarfoz | nobody said "refurb" |
| 23:44.48 | Gnarfoz | and my "no" was because they use their own second stage engine, I thought their first would also be their own thing (but apparently it's not) |
| 23:45.14 | pompy | they will stop using russian engines anyway |
| 23:45.25 | pompy | Jeff Bezos is taking care of that! |
| 23:45.31 | zenzelezz | I find it interesting that it happened after launch, and so close to it. I remember the SpaceX rocket aborting automatically at 0 when it determined it felt insecure about something |
| 23:45.41 | Gnarfoz | what is he doing again? investing in SpaceX? |
| 23:46.01 | pompy | Orbital |
| 23:46.11 | Gnarfoz | so, the guys whose rocket just exploded |
| 23:46.34 | pompy | dont draw conclusions yet |
| 23:46.35 | Gnarfoz | you mean his money will finance their own first-stage engine? |
| 23:47.00 | Gnarfoz | they already have several versions of their own second-stage one, maybe they have plans for that, too, who knows |
| 23:47.24 | pompy | Gnarfoz: http://www.space.com/23815-secretive-blue-origin-company-test-fires-new-rocket-engine-video.html |
| 23:47.35 | Gnarfoz | anyway, these engines are not used for anything else currently, so I doubt any other launch would be affected |
| 23:48.00 | Gnarfoz | pompy: so... a different company? |
| 23:48.37 | Gnarfoz | I keep forgetting I'm not at home, shit loads so slooow :( |
| 23:50.46 | pompy | Gnarfoz: if you didnt see the video already http://www.space.com/27577-antares-rocket-explosion-first-hand-account-from-nasa-wallops-video.html |
| 23:52.14 | Gnarfoz | sure I did, boom |
| 23:52.24 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla linked it next door ;] |
| 23:54.49 | kd3 | press conference in 30 minutes. this should be interesting |
| 23:55.39 | Unkle | It amused me to see all the closeted space geeks come out in my twitter feed when the explosion happened. |
| 23:58.06 | pompy | http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/travel/lax-al-qaeda-wi-fi-hot-spot/?cid=ob_articlesidebarall&iref=obnetwork |
| 23:59.57 | fewyn | welp never going to that 7-11 again... i was doing a slurpee run, they had no lids and all their flavours but wild cherry |
