| 00:00.14 | Neffi | ooh, sounds fun and dangerous http://i.imgur.com/ifWkJcD.jpg |
| 00:00.44 | kd3 | good thing halloween's on a friday |
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| 00:02.53 | tenterflex | okay guys, i know nothing about wow ui dev but one of my favourite addons is broken in 6.0.2 and it's pissing me off. |
| 00:02.59 | tenterflex | so, where do I start fixing it ;| |
| 00:03.32 | Mr_Rabies | what addon? |
| 00:03.55 | tenterflex | AdvancedIconSelector |
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| 00:04.20 | tenterflex | when you're selecting an icon for a bank tab for example, it lets you search by keyword and stuff |
| 00:04.31 | tenterflex | it seems 6.0.2 has made all of the icons appear as green squares, broken texture links i guess? |
| 00:05.07 | Neffi | that is the usual culprit of green blocks, yes |
| 00:05.10 | kd3 | check /path/to/wow/logs/framexml.log. if wow can't find a texture, it'll do the solid green square thing |
| 00:05.29 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i think they may have changed how textures load or their locations or something. there are other addons with the same or similar functionality, though. i use one without a search function called... |
| 00:06.58 | Mr_Rabies | geez i can't find it, weird |
| 00:07.04 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it's not on curse, lets see |
| 00:07.23 | tenterflex | if you know of an alternative that would be rad Mr_Rabies |
| 00:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure there's one with search functionality, though, hmm |
| 00:07.31 | tenterflex | I love the search functionality of AdvancedIconSelector |
| 00:07.41 | tenterflex | like, you type "bag" or "egg" and it shows you all the icons that are bags or eggs |
| 00:07.58 | tenterflex | it's just a minor thing but I'm pretty anal when it comes to my gbank, and i'm reorganising it in preparation for WoD |
| 00:08.06 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21397-GearManagerMoreIcons.html is what i use, but i'm sure there's one with search functionality |
| 00:08.09 | Mr_Rabies | lemme see |
| 00:08.19 | Mr_Rabies | and yeah i don't think it works with the gbank :X |
| 00:08.58 | Neffi | I'd forgotten how interesting American history was http://imgur.com/gallery/ahHMw |
| 00:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | well, there's this, tenterflex, might also be on curse: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23155-AdvancedIconSelectorFansUpdate.html |
| 00:10.50 | Mr_Rabies | make sure you disable the old advanced icon selector until it gets officially updated or things may go poorly |
| 00:12.18 | tenterflex | hmm, let's see |
| 00:12.25 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Generally anything that says "fan update" won't be on Curse. |
| 00:13.33 | tenterflex | hmm, okay. so that updated one works when I use /ais to find icons |
| 00:13.39 | tenterflex | but the guild bank popup doesn't work at all |
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| 00:15.22 | tenterflex | i'm going to assume something needs to be fixed in GuildBankPopup.lua lol |
| 00:16.36 | tenterflex | http://pastebin.com/xnRESAhS |
| 00:16.48 | tenterflex | if anyone is feeling bored, that's the code. it doesn't seem to be too long |
| 00:18.47 | Semlar | what's the error |
| 00:19.45 | Neffi | Semlar: <tenterflex> it seems 6.0.2 has made all of the icons appear as green squares, broken texture links i guess? |
| 00:20.20 | tenterflex | and with the "fan update", the general /ais works, lets me search etc. |
| 00:20.31 | tenterflex | but the guild bank just shows the default blizzard ui |
| 00:20.40 | tenterflex | doesn't pop up the custom search like it's supposed to |
| 00:20.57 | tenterflex | that code I just pasted is for the "GuildBankPopup.lua" part of the addon |
| 00:21.03 | Semlar | you have lua errors enabled? |
| 00:21.59 | tenterflex | yep |
| 00:22.03 | tenterflex | get an error as soon as I open the guild bank |
| 00:22.12 | Semlar | what's the error |
| 00:22.26 | tenterflex | where does it log them, in the framexml.log? |
| 00:22.35 | Neffi | errors are not logged |
| 00:22.41 | Neffi | copy them from the error window |
| 00:22.51 | tenterflex | how am I supposed to copy it when I can't select it :| |
| 00:22.58 | Semlar | it's selected |
| 00:23.10 | Semlar | it should show an editbox full of text |
| 00:23.15 | tenterflex | it's in the chat |
| 00:23.16 | Neffi | yeah, you can select it. and it should be selected by default |
| 00:23.23 | Semlar | no it shouldn't be in the chat |
| 00:23.24 | Neffi | odd. screenshot it |
| 00:23.32 | Semlar | unless you have bugsack or something |
| 00:23.33 | Mr_Rabies | install bugsack |
| 00:23.39 | Mr_Rabies | helps a ton, saves them, etc |
| 00:23.43 | tenterflex | ok |
| 00:23.45 | tenterflex | will do that |
| 00:23.48 | tenterflex | 'cause it's too long to screenshot |
| 00:23.57 | tenterflex | sorry for being a total noob btw |
| 00:24.02 | Torhal | That doesn't sound like a Lua error |
| 00:24.07 | Semlar | it's not a lua error |
| 00:24.19 | Neffi | may be a diagnostic message from the addon itself though |
| 00:24.23 | Torhal | Aye |
| 00:24.29 | Semlar | it's either debug from the addon itself or a stack trace from an addon like bugsack being output to the chat |
| 00:25.00 | Mr_Rabies | argh i've got Walk Like an Egyptian stuck in my head so hard fffff |
| 00:25.08 | tenterflex | ok i'm just gonna screenshot it then |
| 00:25.17 | Semlar | just scroll to the top of the error |
| 00:25.18 | Neffi | tenterflex: screenshot what you can. we can at least get an idea of what it is from a partial message |
| 00:25.19 | Semlar | that's the important part |
| 00:25.39 | Neffi | if it's an actual error being reported to the chat frame, maybe we can help get it in the actual error frame and copyable |
| 00:26.05 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Thanks for sharing the pain. |
| 00:26.06 | tenterflex | i also just disabled all other addons, for purpose of error testing |
| 00:26.18 | tenterflex | ha |
| 00:26.24 | tenterflex | and then bam, it's in the default lua error window thing |
| 00:26.29 | tenterflex | clearly one of my other addons outputs to chat, odd |
| 00:27.13 | tenterflex | Okay, hopefully this makes sense to some of you |
| 00:27.15 | tenterflex | http://pastebin.com/1v7NLp0L |
| 00:28.06 | Semlar | well it's from hooksecurefunc("GuildBankFrame_LoadUI", function() AIS.GuildBankPopup:ReplaceGuildBankPopup() end) |
| 00:28.18 | Neffi | notice: AIS.GuildBankPopup = { } |
| 00:28.27 | Neffi | the file you pastebinned is failing to load as well |
| 00:28.36 | Neffi | check if you have other errors |
| 00:28.53 | tenterflex | when I type /ais to browse all icons, it works fine |
| 00:29.01 | tenterflex | when I open guild bank, that error I pastebinned shows up |
| 00:29.05 | Semlar | umm GuildBankPopup.lua is commented out in the toc file |
| 00:30.24 | Semlar | so it's not even loading that file |
| 00:31.05 | tenterflex | ... |
| 00:31.07 | tenterflex | how fucking stupid |
| 00:31.10 | tenterflex | I removed the # |
| 00:31.12 | tenterflex | and it works 100% now |
| 00:31.16 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
| 00:31.20 | tenterflex | why would the 'fan edit' comment out the guild bank popup :| |
| 00:31.31 | Semlar | well, i suspect it may have problems |
| 00:31.40 | tenterflex | *shrug* works the way I want it to, for now |
| 00:31.42 | tenterflex | thanks a million semlar |
| 00:31.47 | Semlar | no problem! |
| 00:32.12 | Simca | it's a pretty shitty update if they felt the need to comment out the file even though doing so causes another error |
| 00:32.20 | tenterflex | yeah, lol |
| 00:32.40 | Semlar | you would think they would have noticed it immediately throwing an error because it's trying to hook a function that only exists if that file loads |
| 00:33.09 | Neffi | Hope you learned your lesson: don't use fan updates |
| 00:33.09 | tenterflex | i guess the "fan" that edited the original addon didn't use it for guild bank tabs |
| 00:33.19 | tenterflex | neffi, the original version of the addon is outdated and doesn't work |
| 00:33.29 | tenterflex | so I had no choice |
| 00:33.48 | Semlar | yeah only use updates from people who aren't fans |
| 00:33.54 | Neffi | exactly |
| 00:34.06 | tenterflex | I'd rather use a fan update that requires one hashtag to be removed to make it work |
| 00:34.18 | tenterflex | Than stick with the latest stable release from over a year ago that doesn't work at all |
| 00:34.28 | tenterflex | and is showing no signs of being updated any time soon |
| 00:34.28 | Neffi | no but seriously though, random fans always come forward with bad attempts to hack addons into working. you probably shouldn't use these things |
| 00:34.39 | tenterflex | although in saying that neffi... look at the elvui backdoor |
| 00:34.41 | tenterflex | :P |
| 00:34.54 | Neffi | yeah, that was ugly business |
| 00:35.02 | Semlar | meh |
| 00:35.22 | tenterflex | heh |
| 00:35.24 | tenterflex | as you guys can see though |
| 00:35.25 | tenterflex | http://i.imgur.com/nZPjJOo.jpg |
| 00:35.29 | Torhal | When "I fixed it" translates to "I commented out the ode that was throwing an error" you know you have issues. |
| 00:35.36 | tenterflex | addon is working exactly how I wanted |
| 00:35.38 | Torhal | s/ode/code/ |
| 00:35.39 | tenterflex | so thanks for the help all |
| 00:35.49 | Semlar | comments out torhal |
| 00:36.01 | Neffi | optimizes away Semlar |
| 00:36.03 | tenterflex | also anyone want any iron starlettes or sinister squashlings >_> lol |
| 00:36.09 | Semlar | wait a minute, since when is commenting out code that throws errors not a fix |
| 00:36.19 | Torhal | When it breaks functionality :P |
| 00:36.29 | Semlar | shh no more errors |
| 00:36.31 | Simca | nulls Neffi |
| 00:36.38 | tenterflex | no errors! works great! me love to you long time! |
| 00:36.45 | Torhal | left-shifts Simca. |
| 00:37.16 | Simca | WELL MAYBE I'M A SMALL NUMBER |
| 00:37.22 | Torhal | :/ |
| 00:37.35 | tenterflex | maybe simca is... <3? |
| 00:37.38 | tenterflex | HEHUEHUHEU |
| 00:37.42 | TheBaron87 | lol, think you guys can help me out next? |
| 00:38.11 | Semlar | maybe |
| 00:38.52 | Semlar | hang on how do you play a hunter with immolation trap bound to 1 and cobra shot bound to - |
| 00:39.22 | tenterflex | - and = are bound to my mouse's "forward" and "back" buttons |
| 00:39.35 | tenterflex | and 1 is easily reachable from WASD |
| 00:39.45 | TheBaron87 | I'm trying to learn this stuff but it'll probably be a few months before I understand enough to start modifying things and actually know what I'm doing T_T |
| 00:39.52 | tenterflex | = used to be serpent sting, fuck 6.0.2 :P |
| 00:40.18 | Semlar | where's disengage o.o |
| 00:41.10 | TheBaron87 | Just trying to fix one function in Grid2 but it's split into so many files and libraries I'm not sure how to go about it. |
| 00:41.12 | Neffi | TheBaron87: what do you need help with? |
| 00:41.26 | Neffi | wait, Grid2 isn't abandoned... is it? |
| 00:41.29 | Semlar | phanx is supposed to be fixing grid |
| 00:41.47 | Neffi | Curse version says 6.0.2 support |
| 00:41.54 | TheBaron87 | I'm not sure, but I haven't found any quick easy way to contact them and people on this channel have helped me out before |
| 00:42.09 | Semlar | phanx is on wowinterface and wowace |
| 00:42.19 | Semlar | although they will probably just yell at you |
| 00:42.23 | Neffi | it looks like gragagrogog and Stanzilla have been committing to it |
| 00:42.24 | Semlar | so don't actually send them a message |
| 00:42.30 | Neffi | TheBaron87: do you have the latest version from Curse? |
| 00:42.44 | Torhal | Semlar: Grid2 isn't even remotely related to Grid. |
| 00:42.53 | Semlar | oh |
| 00:42.57 | Torhal | Just a case of "lol, I'mma name this AddOn after a popular AddOn!" |
| 00:42.59 | TheBaron87 | It is loading properly, there's just a function that doesn't do what it sounds like it should do, and I would like to make it do that. It seems pretty easy. |
| 00:43.13 | TheBaron87 | This isn't a case of a broken addon, it's just one option in it. |
| 00:43.23 | tenterflex | semlar: i disabled all other addons to test advancediconselector - disengage is on one of my bartender bars |
| 00:43.34 | Semlar | i see |
| 00:43.39 | Neffi | "We are checking your browser to make sure you're not an intruder." |
| 00:43.43 | Neffi | but.. I am an intruder |
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| 00:43.52 | Neffi | spills coffee on all the things |
| 00:43.57 | TheBaron87 | I'm just trying to figure out how to make the invert color option ACTUALLY swap two colors and not just make the first one darker. |
| 00:44.24 | luxlunae | hey neffi, the other night you recommend I install devpad, is the one on curse that says it is out of date the right one or has someone picked it up under another name? |
| 00:44.49 | Neffi | it's indeed "out of date". try loading it up anyway. should work |
| 00:44.59 | luxlunae | ok sounds good thanks again |
| 00:45.35 | Neffi | if it's actually broken, somebody can probably recommend an alternative (for running script snippets automatically at login) |
| 00:45.47 | Neffi | I haven't logged in with 6.x yet |
| 00:45.54 | TheBaron87 | And as for being abandoned, they've responded to 1 ticket in the last 2 years. |
| 00:46.14 | Neffi | luxlunae: this looks updated http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4417-TinyPad.html |
| 00:46.48 | Neffi | not sure if it can auto-run a script on login |
| 00:47.29 | luxlunae | looks good |
| 00:47.37 | luxlunae | ultimately I should of course write my own tiny addon |
| 00:48.00 | luxlunae | but baby steps |
| 00:48.10 | Semlar | neffi i don't know what to do, there's too much actual addon chat going on |
| 00:49.41 | Neffi | Semlar: quick! listen to this http://youtu.be/3T1c7GkzRQQ |
| 00:51.37 | Semlar | no |
| 00:55.18 | Mr_Rabies | man there is an awful sound bug with warlocks and dks right now |
| 00:55.39 | Mr_Rabies | when you dismount and your pet autosummons it basically blasts your speakers super loud and alternating rapidly between left and right |
| 00:57.04 | Semlar | doesn't happen to my hunter |
| 00:57.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah doesn't seem to happen with hunters |
| 00:57.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's the actual summon sound fx for dks and warlocks |
| 00:57.30 | Semlar | i would put my pet down if it did that |
| 00:57.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's so loud it's insane |
| 00:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | probably surround sound related |
| 00:59.15 | DJJeff | whatever happend to addons getting a private chat channel for comm traffic |
| 00:59.40 | Semlar | i don't think that was a thing |
| 01:00.49 | Semlar | all they did was make it so you can broadcast addon messages over an existing chat channel, which doesn't really provide much benefit |
| 01:01.13 | Semlar | the hard part is making the stupid channel in the first place |
| 01:01.34 | DJJeff | like for example the "timeless rare" addons would create a chat channel to sync data |
| 01:01.49 | Torhal | I remember reading something about SendAddonMessage having an additional channel for AddOns, instead of just GUILD, WHISPER, etc |
| 01:02.00 | DJJeff | which was bad because a user could inject fake data |
| 01:02.14 | Semlar | well you can forget about that ever not being a problem |
| 01:02.19 | Torhal | Aye |
| 01:02.28 | DJJeff | so someone in here said.... in WoD |
| 01:02.33 | Semlar | a player will always be able to send fake addon messages |
| 01:02.34 | Torhal | There's no way to fix that with raw data, no matter the channel |
| 01:02.36 | DJJeff | addons would get their own comm channel |
| 01:02.49 | Torhal | Doesn't solve the abuse issue. |
| 01:03.02 | DJJeff | that no user would be able to inject data into |
| 01:03.07 | Torhal | Just an additional channel aside from GUILD, PARTY, erc |
| 01:03.10 | Torhal | Uh |
| 01:03.14 | Torhal | That doesn't even make sense |
| 01:03.18 | Torhal | AddOns are user output. |
| 01:03.25 | Semlar | how exactly do you think an addon could send messages over an addon channel without the player being able to modify that data |
| 01:03.28 | kd3 | if an addon can input data, how does that prevent you from writing your own addon that outputs whatever data you want? |
| 01:03.38 | DJJeff | ah |
| 01:03.40 | DJJeff | good point |
| 01:04.23 | Torhal | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendAddonMessage <-- WoD was supposed to add a new one to the list at the bottom, is all. |
| 01:04.27 | Semlar | all they did was make it so you can broadcast addon messages over an existing custom chat channel so they don't show up in the chat and aren't affected by drunk status or anything |
| 01:04.27 | Torhal | No idea if it made it or not. |
| 01:04.46 | Torhal | Semlar: Oh, that was it? |
| 01:05.12 | Semlar | yeah and you still have to create your own chat channel which screws with your chat numbers |
| 01:05.21 | Torhal | Yeah, screw that. |
| 01:05.30 | Semlar | i tried using it to broadcast over general and stuff but you get blocked |
| 01:05.47 | Semlar | you can only send messages over custom channels |
| 01:07.11 | DJJeff | here |
| 01:07.15 | DJJeff | this was the issue |
| 01:07.16 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/7HfcQGC.jpg |
| 01:07.41 | DJJeff | I was able to inject data using paste to get the rare addon to show all 100% |
| 01:07.52 | DJJeff | or any % I so wanted to |
| 01:08.06 | Torhal | Yup. That isn't ever going away. |
| 01:08.07 | DJJeff | I made it say 420% and general chat just blew up laughing |
| 01:09.04 | DJJeff | I guess its up to addon authors to encrypt the data somehow |
| 01:09.28 | DJJeff | whats worse is if you become mod and set a password on the channel it locks others out |
| 01:09.49 | DJJeff | I did that on area 52 for a whole day pissed off hundreds of people |
| 01:10.00 | Mr_Rabies | don't think you're allowed to encrypt or obfuscate, but i could be wrong |
| 01:10.12 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: message data you can. Just not code. |
| 01:10.19 | Mr_Rabies | ah, okay |
| 01:10.39 | DJJeff | I think the oqueue addon encypted their comm data |
| 01:10.47 | Semlar | wooooooouldn't stop anything from doing anything |
| 01:10.53 | DJJeff | I forgot to grab a screenshot |
| 01:12.10 | tenterflex | back to bone farming for me @_@ |
| 01:12.17 | Kemayo | Seeing as you have to distribute the addon source, it's not like encryption is more than a minor hiccup for any attacker. (Unless you're requiring your users to work out key-exchange.) |
| 01:13.55 | Semlar | we do need a way to join a chat channel that doesn't get assigned a chat number and can't be moderated |
| 01:14.25 | DJJeff | you would need someone to get in bed with blizzard to get that |
| 01:14.32 | DJJeff | I volunteer |
| 01:14.48 | DJJeff | also do people even talk about addons during blizzcon |
| 01:15.07 | DJJeff | and by people I mean anyone from the blizzard company |
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| 01:17.06 | DJJeff | I play wow because I am sad and depressed and I am sad and depressed because I play wow |
| 01:17.12 | DJJeff | hard to break eh.... |
| 01:17.23 | Semlar | no just go do something else |
| 01:18.04 | DJJeff | would love to finish my million dollar python project its just so large I can not do it on my own |
| 01:18.41 | Semlar | one piece at a time |
| 01:18.51 | DJJeff | its the only way |
| 01:19.01 | Semlar | i usually just do all of it at once |
| 01:19.28 | DJJeff | I need to sign up for a school take a python course and find a partner |
| 01:19.46 | DJJeff | maybe even a girl who codes in python |
| 01:19.57 | DJJeff | thats around say..... 30 years old |
| 01:20.10 | DJJeff | and single |
| 01:20.26 | DJJeff | I need to play the role of healer in real life |
| 01:20.40 | DJJeff | the damn tanks keep pulling agro off of me |
| 01:20.52 | DJJeff | heh I just made a joke |
| 01:21.59 | DJJeff | tough room no one is laughing |
| 01:22.31 | Gethe | wasn't funny |
| 01:22.46 | Torhal | In space, no one can hear you scream. |
| 01:22.51 | Gethe | ^ |
| 01:23.18 | Semlar | they could if you had like a 2 way radio or something |
| 01:23.20 | Iriel | DJJeff: they talked about addons a couple of times, but generally not really (the blizzard folks, that is) - theyâre busy, and itâs a niche crowd. |
| 01:23.56 | kd3 | they had a panel back in 2007, but blizzcons back then were a different scale |
| 01:24.07 | DJJeff | ah |
| 01:24.20 | DJJeff | so blizzcon is just as bad as minecraft con? |
| 01:24.47 | DJJeff | heh after bukkit getting its thingy im sure minecon will have some angry people |
| 01:24.50 | Torhal | o.O |
| 01:25.20 | Semlar | DJJeff: you sound depressed dude, you should probably see a therapist or a psychiatrist and score some drugs |
| 01:25.22 | luxlunae | getting its thingy? |
| 01:25.59 | DJJeff | so for blizzard its all about money and not even connecting with its community |
| 01:25.59 | DJJeff | thats why I feel in love with minecraft |
| 01:25.59 | Neffi | ... |
| 01:25.59 | kd3 | no, the whole point of blizzcon is connecting with the community. that's why they do it |
| 01:25.59 | DJJeff | the minecraft community is alot closer |
| 01:26.04 | Neffi | you think Minecraft has a stronger community than WoW? |
| 01:26.17 | DJJeff | well wow has been around longer |
| 01:26.35 | Neffi | pray tell, what kind of drugs are you on? |
| 01:26.35 | DJJeff | so in size wow is larger |
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| 01:26.50 | DJJeff | if minecraft came out back in 2004 or w.e |
| 01:26.50 | DJJeff | it would be just as big |
| 01:27.20 | Gethe | it's hard to be tight knit with a community as large as wow |
| 01:27.37 | DJJeff | I can agree to that |
| 01:28.42 | DJJeff | and by thingy I was talking about the stupid dmca takedown |
| 01:30.17 | DJJeff | it goes back to my original statement |
| 01:30.24 | DJJeff | wow is more fun when you play with friends |
| 01:30.35 | DJJeff | but if you have no friends it just stinks |
| 01:31.44 | DJJeff | to be able to just throw up a minecraft server and play with friends is awesome |
| 01:31.53 | DJJeff | but now bukkit is dead |
| 01:32.01 | DJJeff | so the game died |
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| 01:32.11 | kd3 | you don't have to use bukkit to run a server |
| 01:32.21 | DJJeff | for the plugins you do |
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| 01:32.30 | DJJeff | like anti griefing etc |
| 01:33.00 | Iriel | You dont need anti griefing if youâre playing with friends |
| 01:33.11 | DJJeff | good point |
| 01:33.20 | DJJeff | a great example.... twitch.tv you can stream gameplay right? |
| 01:33.40 | DJJeff | in 10min of streaming minecraft I make 20 viewers when its wow I get maybe 2 |
| 01:33.55 | DJJeff | and I stream on twitch to make friends |
| 01:34.16 | kd3 | well, ok, that's one example. the plural of anecdote != data |
| 01:34.21 | Mr_Rabies | i stream on twitch to make a sandwich |
| 01:34.26 | Mr_Rabies | it hasn't been going very well |
| 01:34.27 | DJJeff | heh |
| 01:34.32 | DJJeff | now that was funny |
| 01:38.44 | Semlar | i can't log into the beta, all the servers are marked as incompatible |
| 01:40.45 | Semlar | what's the current build supposed to be |
| 01:41.07 | kd3 | 19057 |
| 01:41.09 | Semlar | i have 6.0.3.19057 |
| 01:41.20 | Semlar | :| |
| 01:41.25 | Semlar | BLIZZARD |
| 01:41.32 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15007310783?page=2#31 |
| 01:41.52 | Semlar | 1 day ago psh |
| 01:42.54 | Semlar | alright fine i'll just use the live server |
| 01:43.00 | DJJeff | live servers did the incompatible thingy |
| 01:43.09 | DJJeff | logged out and back in and it worked fine |
| 01:43.37 | Semlar | amg my server has a queue |
| 01:44.48 | DJJeff | area 52? |
| 01:44.55 | Semlar | wyrmrest accord |
| 01:45.10 | DJJeff | ah |
| 01:45.15 | DJJeff | thats a large pop server? |
| 01:45.23 | kd3 | it must be, or it wouldn't queue |
| 01:45.27 | Semlar | it's locked apparently |
| 01:45.42 | DJJeff | timeless isle is 100% dead on my realm windrunner |
| 01:45.51 | DJJeff | prob because of hallowsend |
| 01:46.33 | Semlar | nah 6.0 has brought too many people back |
| 01:48.21 | Mr_Rabies | timeless isle might as well be renamed frogmurder island |
| 01:48.38 | Mr_Rabies | that's all my server uses it for |
| 01:52.15 | tz | oooh I should go do that |
| 01:53.27 | Semlar | stop the violence |
| 01:55.24 | DJJeff | lol |
| 01:55.41 | DJJeff | now with premade group finder its all about the damn frogs |
| 01:55.43 | DJJeff | on timeless isle |
| 01:55.57 | DJJeff | no one uses premade finder for killing rares |
| 01:59.06 | DJJeff | I show up on timeless isle I have 8 addons telling me about the rares |
| 01:59.19 | DJJeff | need to group them all down to like 2 |
| 01:59.27 | DJJeff | getrare and npcscan |
| 02:00.30 | fewyn | i'm using silverdragon atm |
| 02:00.32 | Mr_Rabies | i just use silverdragon and rarecoordinator |
| 02:00.34 | fewyn | not sure if i like it though |
| 02:04.44 | DJJeff | silverdragon is nice |
| 02:04.58 | DJJeff | also I noticed with addon chat channels |
| 02:05.02 | DJJeff | if I group with someone |
| 02:05.07 | DJJeff | and get pulled to their realm |
| 02:05.15 | DJJeff | the addon sync breaks |
| 02:05.24 | DJJeff | because the addon chat channel is for my realm |
| 02:05.28 | DJJeff | not my partners |
| 02:06.00 | Semlar | rarecoordinator disables itself when you join a group |
| 02:07.48 | DJJeff | ya |
| 02:07.59 | DJJeff | because it can not sync with the groups rares |
| 02:08.10 | DJJeff | unless the group was on same realm |
| 02:19.20 | DJJeff | grrrrrrr |
| 02:19.30 | DJJeff | im gonna sign up to a frog group as a healer |
| 02:22.02 | DJJeff | nope not a single invite |
| 02:22.05 | DJJeff | dont need us healers |
| 02:24.46 | DJJeff | my application to "Fucking frogs" expired. |
| 02:24.48 | DJJeff | thank god |
| 02:27.57 | Mr_Rabies | yeahhhh |
| 02:27.59 | Mr_Rabies | time locked box |
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| 02:28.59 | Mr_Rabies | is the iron horde stuff gonna go away in blasted lands with WoD? |
| 02:29.34 | phelps | i doubt it |
| 02:30.17 | phelps | is it messed up for leveling people too ? |
| 02:30.43 | Mr_Rabies | nah, it's phased |
| 02:32.05 | DJJeff | woah my fps in a fog group drops to like 2 |
| 02:32.14 | DJJeff | down from my normal 80+ |
| 02:32.20 | DJJeff | frog group |
| 02:32.58 | phelps | so glad I got my 5kish coins before the patch |
| 02:33.32 | phelps | it was busy there, but not, its insane |
| 02:33.40 | phelps | but not like now* |
| 02:37.31 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaaaaaay I was removed from a froggy group |
| 02:37.33 | DJJeff | FFS |
| 02:37.38 | DJJeff | no one loves me |
| 02:37.58 | DJJeff | they all had like 590 ilvl gear |
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| 02:38.18 | DJJeff | im just enjoying my 535 timeless gear |
| 02:38.20 | kullervo | DJJeff: http://kullervo.dy.fi/q/E7B3Blt.gif |
| 02:38.36 | kullervo | that.. might load a bit slow |
| 02:38.37 | DJJeff | cute |
| 02:38.53 | DJJeff | my internet is 250 MBPS download |
| 02:38.59 | DJJeff | it loaded in 1/2 a second |
| 02:39.22 | tz | hates. |
| 02:39.25 | kullervo | oh nevermind I figured it out |
| 02:39.40 | DJJeff | friends are just like love |
| 02:39.55 | DJJeff | you need to buy the damn halmark cards to make them happy |
| 02:40.07 | kullervo | thought my upload was hogged but turns out my laptop just had a misconfigured hosts file |
| 02:40.11 | DJJeff | and its all a scam |
| 02:40.34 | DJJeff | your /etc/hosts? or c:\windows\system32\....\hosts |
| 02:40.51 | kullervo | same deal, different path |
| 02:43.30 | DJJeff | C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc |
| 02:43.33 | DJJeff | thats the one |
| 02:45.19 | DJJeff | I have $300 in my savings account should I go buy myself a friend for a day |
| 02:45.40 | DJJeff | or march off to a casino and waste it in a slot machine |
| 02:45.48 | DJJeff | or at the craps table |
| 02:46.02 | DJJeff | craps being the dice game.... you know 7 or 11 a winner |
| 02:47.15 | DJJeff | the problem with buying friends is that its not really real |
| 02:47.22 | DJJeff | just a fantasy |
| 02:59.28 | tenterflex | i mean, with a name like DJ Jeff |
| 02:59.32 | tenterflex | I'm surprised you don't have friends all over |
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| 04:09.37 | Simca | haha relaxok will love this |
| 04:10.20 | Simca | http://www.curseforge.com/paste/jo8rm40wg26lshnf/ |
| 04:10.43 | Simca | there's a line in the newest exe that essentially uses loadstring from C to define a function |
| 04:15.39 | Simca | other than that, nothing really interesting in the newest exe |
| 04:16.05 | nebula169 | wierd, function is already that in the sharedxml |
| 04:17.25 | Simca | right above it is listed the string 'fix418076', so must be a response to a bug |
| 04:19.19 | nebula169 | ah, it adds SaveAddOns() |
| 04:24.32 | Simca | heh relaxok would have found this useful too when he asked about which lua functions blizzard redefined: http://www.curseforge.com/paste/azvkh6igr5lxdnoj/ |
| 04:30.05 | nebula169 | all that's on http://wowpedia.org/Lua_functions |
| 04:32.33 | Fisker | I want to sleep Simca |
| 04:34.27 | Simca | then sleep Fisker |
| 04:34.36 | Fisker | I would if I could |
| 04:35.45 | Neffi | I find it vaguely insteresting that they use a Lua file to create the aliases |
| 04:41.18 | Simca | random question of the day |
| 04:41.27 | Neffi | 42 |
| 04:41.34 | Simca | damn you got me |
| 04:41.37 | Neffi | ;) |
| 04:41.38 | Arrowmaster | i dont even know what to think about this http://i.imgur.com/q9bDAjB.jpg |
| 04:42.33 | Simca | well here's another one: if a secure action button is hidden and has a binding set and a user presses that binding, does it act as though clicked properly? or does it see that it is hidden and do nothing? |
| 04:43.22 | Neffi | it should click like normal |
| 04:43.40 | Simca | okay great |
| 04:43.43 | Simca | thanks |
| 04:43.49 | Neffi | test it to double check |
| 04:43.56 | Simca | i plan on it |
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| 04:47.59 | Dagmar | #!@$#!@# |
| 04:48.07 | Dagmar | Never have your PC crash while the damn thing is applying a patch |
| 04:48.09 | Dagmar | heh |
| 05:13.51 | Kesava | X |
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| 06:16.33 | Mr_Rabies | sooo |
| 06:16.42 | Mr_Rabies | apparently you can still get the FoS for green fire until WoD hits |
| 06:16.48 | Mr_Rabies | but this is so freakin' hard |
| 06:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | ughhhh |
| 06:24.56 | tenterflex | you can't get the title any more |
| 06:25.00 | tenterflex | idk about the FoS |
| 06:30.26 | Mr_Rabies | apparently you can, until WoD |
| 06:30.29 | tenterflex | nope |
| 06:30.37 | tenterflex | did you read patch notes of 6.0.2? |
| 06:30.38 | Mr_Rabies | the subreddit says otherwise |
| 06:30.44 | tenterflex | the subreddit isn't the official patch notes |
| 06:30.58 | Mr_Rabies | offical patch notes aren't always gospel :p |
| 06:32.05 | tenterflex | wow |
| 06:32.09 | tenterflex | yeah so blizz said they took it out |
| 06:32.10 | tenterflex | and they didn't |
| 06:32.12 | tenterflex | how fucking pathetic |
| 06:32.34 | tenterflex | yet another example of "hey, let's throw it in your face that you had to bust your ass to get something that was going to be removed but instead we just hand it to other players for free!" |
| 06:33.57 | Simca | it's just a mistake |
| 06:34.08 | Simca | and it's pretty typical with titles getting removed in an expansion |
| 06:34.30 | tenterflex | it's not a mistake, it's pathetic |
| 06:34.45 | tenterflex | they explicitly stated that you would not be able to obtain the title once 6.0.2 went live |
| 06:34.45 | Simca | ummm kay |
| 06:34.52 | Simca | they've done that a ton in the past |
| 06:34.53 | tenterflex | long before 6.0.2 was live |
| 06:34.57 | tenterflex | yeah that doesn't make it okay |
| 06:34.58 | tenterflex | at all |
| 06:35.02 | Simca | and then failed to do right ingame |
| 06:35.07 | tenterflex | saying one thing and doing another is highly unprofessional |
| 06:35.12 | tenterflex | and "a mistake" is just a weak excuse |
| 06:35.36 | Simca | it's not an excuse, it's an explanation - it wasn't intentional |
| 06:36.04 | Simca | they just suck at getting the end of expansion/expansion pre-patch stuff to happen at the right time |
| 06:36.10 | Simca | they failed to do it right in TBC (Hand of A'dal and Champion of the Naaru) |
| 06:36.19 | Simca | and again in Wrath with the TOC titles |
| 06:36.35 | Simca | 0% surprised it happened again |
| 06:36.44 | tenterflex | still doesn't make it okay |
| 06:37.01 | tenterflex | and it wasn't intentional? then reverse everyone who has earned it since 6.0.2 and FIX IT |
| 06:37.07 | Simca | though I thank them since I never would have gotten Champion of the Naaru if not for the Patch 3.0.2 change to make Vashj no longer require the rest of SSC |
| 06:37.10 | Simca | they won't |
| 06:37.26 | tenterflex | i know they won't |
| 06:37.31 | tenterflex | which frankly isn't good enough |
| 06:37.37 | tenterflex | and "oh well this has happened before" isn't. good. enough. |
| 06:38.02 | Simca | they really just don't care if an extra month worth of titles happen, as long as it stops at some point soon (WoD) |
| 06:38.39 | tenterflex | they don't. |
| 06:38.55 | tenterflex | i, and every other fucking player that worked hard to earn something by the deadline they OFFICIALLY PUT OUT, do. |
| 06:39.50 | Simca | that's kind of a large assumption |
| 06:39.53 | tenterflex | not really |
| 06:40.39 | Simca | I didn't mind that they left in the pureblood firehawk at 100% on rag heroic for the month between 5.0.4 and MoP, and I had it. |
| 06:40.44 | tenterflex | I mean jeez, sorry for being proud of doing something when I was supposed to, and then being upset when other people get to do it whenever the fuck they want despite them not supposed to be able to |
| 06:40.51 | Simca | I knew that the vast majority of people still would never see it |
| 06:40.59 | tenterflex | again, you |
| 06:41.00 | tenterflex | not me |
| 06:41.01 | tenterflex | you didn't care |
| 06:41.03 | tenterflex | I do |
| 06:41.06 | tenterflex | what aren't you understanding here |
| 06:41.22 | Simca | <Simca> that's kind of a large assumption |
| 06:41.22 | Simca | <tenterflex> not really |
| 06:41.29 | tenterflex | because I'm right |
| 06:41.30 | tenterflex | and you're not |
| 06:41.34 | tenterflex | there is no opinion here |
| 06:41.35 | tenterflex | it's fact |
| 06:41.38 | tenterflex | I. am. right. |
| 06:41.47 | Cairenn | throws kittens at tenterflex |
| 06:41.50 | Simca | you. are. very. mad. |
| 06:42.15 | tenterflex | really? "umadbro"? that's all you've got |
| 06:42.19 | tenterflex | I see I've wasted my time talking to you |
| 06:42.21 | tenterflex | wanders off |
| 06:42.26 | Cairenn | seriously, calm down |
| 06:42.59 | tenterflex | > implying I'm not calm already |
| 06:43.09 | Cairenn | ... |
| 06:43.14 | Simca | lol |
| 06:43.39 | tenterflex | oh, you mean how I'm outraged at blizzard failing to deliver on a promise? |
| 06:43.42 | tenterflex | well sorry for living |
| 06:45.50 | DJJeff | tenterflex you are not alone |
| 06:45.54 | tenterflex | just really annoys me when they cheapen things by giving them to everyone for free/for longer than promised/easier than they are supposed to |
| 06:46.22 | tenterflex | oh, you don't have any BoAs? HERE EVERYBODY HAVE FREE BOAS!!! |
| 06:46.30 | Constie | Maybe you should stop choosing to view that as cheapening things so you'll be less annoyed. |
| 06:46.40 | tenterflex | so I should stop seeing it for what it is |
| 06:46.43 | tenterflex | right. good call. |
| 06:48.20 | DJJeff | tenterflex some people including myself do not even get a chance to see end game content |
| 06:48.33 | tenterflex | okay? |
| 06:48.46 | tenterflex | and what, you want it handed to you on a platter for free |
| 06:48.48 | DJJeff | dont you think I deserve to get a chance to see end game content before a new xpac comes out? |
| 06:48.51 | tenterflex | while other people have been working hard to earn that right? |
| 06:48.54 | tenterflex | no, you don't |
| 06:48.59 | tenterflex | if you don't put the effort in, you most certainly don't |
| 06:49.05 | DJJeff | then why should I even bother fucking playing wow |
| 06:49.07 | tenterflex | it's end. game. for a reason. |
| 06:49.13 | tenterflex | go back to levelling alts and running LFR |
| 06:49.16 | DJJeff | when only people who get "carried" by a "guild" |
| 06:49.20 | DJJeff | can see end game |
| 06:49.23 | tenterflex | lmao |
| 06:49.29 | tenterflex | i'm not in a raiding guild and I'm 14/14 mythic |
| 06:49.31 | tenterflex | so... go figure |
| 06:49.43 | Cairenn | tenterflex: I was trying to be nice about it |
| 06:50.00 | DJJeff | I have not been in a actual raiding guild since WotLK |
| 06:50.03 | Cairenn | you need to go take a walk or something |
| 06:50.25 | tenterflex | so because I'm right, and you're all happy being ignorant |
| 06:50.28 | tenterflex | _I_ should go for a walk |
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| 06:50.47 | Fisker | I miss tenterflex |
| 06:50.52 | Fisker | Just kidding |
| 06:51.03 | Simca | Fisker you lied to me |
| 06:51.08 | Simca | you said you went to bed an hour ago |
| 06:51.12 | Fisker | No? |
| 06:51.44 | Constie | I'm really confident in this belief I have about this issue; therefore, there can be no valid perspectives on the issue other than the one I currently have. |
| 06:51.47 | Simca | oh, i guess technically implied it |
| 06:52.04 | DJJeff | thats kinda messed up way of thinking that people should not have the chance to see end game content |
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| 06:52.15 | DJJeff | if they dont have friends or a guild to play with |
| 06:52.16 | Fisker | I don't follow Simca D: |
| 06:52.29 | Fisker | I might've said I'm tired and want to go to bed |
| 06:52.39 | Fisker | But I can afford no such luxury |
| 06:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:52.54 | Constie | You can sleep when you're dead. |
| 06:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | i am so bad at this warlock |
| 06:53.10 | tenterflex | please, continue living in a dream world where endgame content should be given to all, for free! no point in actually raiding or taking the game seriously, casual players deserve all the same rewards as hardcore raiders! and hey, forget about things that are removed - we'll give them to you for free, it's okay! everybody gets a free ride, courtesy of Cairenn. |
| 06:53.10 | Fisker | No then I will be decomposing rather than sleeping |
| 06:53.14 | tenterflex | seriously, grow the fuck up and get over yourself. |
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| 06:53.19 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:53.20 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:53.25 | Mr_Rabies | he had a similar outburst in #wowhead |
| 06:53.31 | Fisker | Is this 2005 again? |
| 06:53.36 | Neffi | I've never been more amused to open up IRC and read the scrollback |
| 06:53.39 | Fisker | Or did he forget the previous 10 years of nerfs? |
| 06:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | dude has the shortest fuse possible |
| 06:53.44 | Shadowed | hello |
| 06:53.48 | Gragagrogog | :D |
| 06:53.59 | DJJeff | has wow become a pay to win game? or a pay to get carried game? I have seen threads where people spend real $$$$ to get kills to see end game content |
| 06:54.01 | Shadowed | there seems to be angry going on here |
| 06:54.04 | Shadowed | let's not have that |
| 06:54.13 | Simca | I liked the part where he tried to say he was calm, right after five sentences saying the same thing: http://i.imgur.com/gsTBdGd.png |
| 06:54.18 | Simca | yeah that's a sign of calm |
| 06:54.33 | Shadowed | oh Cairenn already told you to be nice |
| 06:54.37 | Shadowed | wanders off to bed |
| 06:54.54 | Fisker | I want proof of supposed going to bedness Simca D: |
| 06:55.25 | Constie | I liked the part where he said that if you're not a hardcore raider you don't deserve to fully enjoy this video game, followed by "grow the fuck up and get over yourself". |
| 06:55.36 | Mr_Rabies | he called kullervo an obvious troll and exploded not long ago |
| 06:55.38 | DJJeff | wait #wowhead is a channel? |
| 06:55.39 | Mr_Rabies | it was pretty amazing |
| 06:55.55 | Fisker | I like the part where these peoples enjoyment of the game apparently gets ruined by others enjoyment of the game |
| 06:56.00 | Mr_Rabies | well, it doesn't have any staffers modding the channel anymore soooo maybe not for long, lol |
| 06:56.05 | Fisker | That seems like a sane viewpoint |
| 06:56.25 | Simca | wowhead, wowace, curseforge, wowpedia, and wowinterface are some of the other wow-related channels on this network |
| 06:56.26 | Neffi | when fisker calls you insane, you should re-evaluate your life choices |
| 06:56.50 | DJJeff | curse has a channel? |
| 06:57.13 | Fisker | If your gameplay enjoyment is dictated by others enjoyment of the game, I'm sure you should re-evaluate your life choices |
| 06:57.24 | Mr_Rabies | mine sort of is |
| 06:57.34 | Mr_Rabies | since my realm is so dead and i'm screwed if my guild implodes |
| 06:57.35 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 06:57.41 | Fisker | Well yeah |
| 06:57.44 | Fisker | You get what I mean |
| 06:57.46 | Fisker | :P |
| 06:58.01 | Gragagrogog | so... you say the game is like a sex for some ppl Fisker? :D cant disagree with that |
| 06:58.17 | Fisker | I don't get that reference.gif |
| 06:58.26 | Fisker | and now I'm going away for a long long time maybe |
| 06:58.28 | Torhal | DJJeff: #curseforge is a channel, though it's mostly commit messages for various games. |
| 06:58.51 | Simca | the real curse channel is /msg Kaelten |
| 06:58.56 | Simca | hides |
| 06:59.50 | eyamaz | ^^ |
| 07:01.32 | DJJeff | cute |
| 07:01.34 | DJJeff | http://puu.sh/csqiI.png |
| 07:01.36 | DJJeff | he pm me |
| 07:01.42 | DJJeff | and put me on ignore |
| 07:02.30 | Kaelten | raises an eyebrow |
| 07:02.34 | Kaelten | cute in deed |
| 07:02.35 | Kaelten | Torhal: we should both be asleep, work in the morning |
| 07:02.53 | Torhal | Problem is, I woke up at 10:30, then took a nap from 2:15 to 6. |
| 07:02.54 | Ironii | well, that guy was interesting ;p |
| 07:03.18 | Torhal | Though I should be able to sleep now. |
| 07:06.01 | DJJeff | oh Torhal can I remove friends from the broker display of frenemy addon? |
| 07:06.12 | DJJeff | because all mine are battle.net friends anyways |
| 07:06.54 | DJJeff | and one of my battle.net friends had the launcher open and frenemy said he was "unknown" |
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| 07:09.40 | Torhal | DJJeff: You can just collapse the section. Where it says "Battle Net", click |
| 07:09.49 | Torhal | I usually have it collapsed. |
| 07:10.24 | Torhal | I leave "Friends", "Battle Net (Game)", and "Guild" open. |
| 07:11.10 | Fisker | I want to work in the morning Kaelten |
| 07:32.14 | TheBaron87 | Oh jeez Graga was here I could have asked him >_< Oh well, anybody around willing to spare a few minutes and help me understand a bit of code? |
| 07:35.01 | Neffi | maybe. what's your issue? |
| 07:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 07:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | okay, i can get to felhunters reliably now |
| 07:35.24 | Neffi | Oh, you're trying to modify Grid2, right? you ought to submit a request for your desired feature |
| 07:35.26 | Mr_Rabies | but i almost always die immediately as soon as they come out, i'm so bad at this |
| 07:36.16 | Neffi | what's the install size of WoW now with 6.x? |
| 07:36.21 | TheBaron87 | Guess it wouldn't hurt, but there's no sign it would ever get seen |
| 07:37.02 | Neffi | Well maintaining your own feature while merging updates is a bitch to begin with. If you don't know how to code, I wouldn't recommend trying |
| 07:38.10 | TheBaron87 | I do understand how to code, I just don't have any experience with this library, so there's some stuff here that I can't find the roots of |
| 07:38.15 | Fisker | 28GB Neffi |
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| 07:39.30 | Neffi | thanks Fisker ;) |
| 08:02.33 | TheBaron87 | Well I got halfway at least |
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| 08:35.25 | DJJeff | nev's working hard on bartender :) |
| 08:35.32 | DJJeff | update just released |
| 08:36.47 | TheBaron87 | Is there any easier/faster way to see changes than restarting WoW? |
| 08:37.23 | Maldivia | TheBaron87: /reloadui |
| 08:37.26 | nevcairiel | simple code changes just need a UI reload |
| 08:37.30 | nevcairiel | new files need a wow restart |
| 08:38.23 | TheBaron87 | Aaaaah, so if I'm just changing a file's contents then /reloadui will reflect the changes? |
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| 08:41.05 | Neffi | yes |
| 08:41.12 | TheBaron87 | yup, seems to be the case, ty |
| 08:41.23 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.15 | Neffi | The ncase M1 looks really damn nice. Too bad this isn't a permanent thing with regular production runs :( |
| 08:42.20 | TheBaron87 | Well I'm having a bit of weirdness |
| 08:43.01 | Neffi | well, what kinda weirdness? |
| 08:43.31 | TheBaron87 | Well first IRC is eating my attempts to type /reloadui |
| 08:43.43 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.53 | TheBaron87 | Even with a preceding space, and wow is just returning a /help message |
| 08:44.06 | nevcairiel | the actual command is /console reloadui |
| 08:44.12 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.17 | nevcairiel | some addons provide an alias to shorter forms |
| 08:44.28 | Neffi | doesn't the default UI provide the alias now? |
| 08:44.33 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.38 | TheBaron87 | Yeah, "/reload ui" worked fine, and I /reload pretty often |
| 08:44.49 | TheBaron87 | Figured /reloadui might be something special |
| 08:44.55 | Neffi | it's not "/reload ui", it's just "/reload" |
| 08:45.11 | TheBaron87 | ok, figured such but didn't want to assume |
| 08:45.12 | Neffi | a space starts the arguments ;) |
| 08:45.14 | mitch0 | it's /reload ui pretty please |
| 08:45.28 | Neffi | inb4 somebody says "sudo reloadui" |
| 08:45.47 | TheBaron87 | Yeah, but I see everyone say /reloadui and I know when it comes to this stuff you have to be really specific |
| 08:45.58 | TheBaron87 | Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything |
| 08:46.12 | Neffi | anyway, weirdness? or was that it? |
| 08:46.54 | TheBaron87 | That was the weirdness with /reload. Still having a bit of weirdness with Grid2 but I guess I'll keep working on it |
| 08:47.20 | TheBaron87 | I got the foreground bar to use the background color, haven't figured out how to do vice versa yet |
| 08:48.09 | TheBaron87 | Just trying to switch 2 bars' colors is turning out to be a lot more complicated than it ought to be :( |
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| 08:50.57 | Neffi | Grid2Options -> L["Invert Bar Color"] <- you sure it doesnt already have this feature? |
| 08:51.12 | TheBaron87 | The feature is there, but it's a misleading title |
| 08:51.52 | Neffi | I think my grep.exe is entirely broken |
| 08:52.12 | TheBaron87 | You have the option of selecting a background color normally, but it doesn't get used when inverting colors |
| 08:53.08 | TheBaron87 | When you select invert, the foreground bar is always just a darker shade of what it would be with the option off, and the background must be disabled for it to show your selected foreground color. |
| 08:54.25 | TheBaron87 | If you don't turn the background off you just get a darker foreground. It's not very customizable :( I'd just like the color I select for the background to be applied to the bar, and the color of the bar applied to the background. I got the first half, haven't figured out the second half. |
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| 08:59.00 | TheBaron87 | At this point it would probably be much easier to add a reverse option for the bar fill and just use health deficit. |
| 09:08.28 | DJJeff | did battle.net just go down? |
| 09:08.37 | DJJeff | my latency just shot up to 6000 ms |
| 09:08.44 | DJJeff | and now the launcher says I am offlien |
| 09:08.48 | DJJeff | offline |
| 09:09.06 | DJJeff | my latency to google.com is normal 27 ms |
| 09:09.54 | DJJeff | ok now its back |
| 09:10.08 | DJJeff | and all my friends got d/c too |
| 09:11.58 | DJJeff | oh wow my low pop realm is now an empty realm only 4 people on timeless isle |
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| 09:50.52 | DJJeff | you can buy ilvl 522 with gold now? |
| 09:51.04 | DJJeff | in townlong steppes from vendor |
| 09:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | <Neffi> I think my grep.exe is entirely broken |
| 09:51.56 | Mr_Rabies | 's a grep shirt |
| 09:52.39 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s35Ja8wBwE [injokes afoot] |
| 09:56.11 | Neffi | wat |
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| 09:58.01 | Maldivia | DJJeff: it has faction requirement, righT? |
| 10:00.41 | Shirik | "In the call, Obama explained that this information about the rescue mission was classified. But not for long, it would seem. Foley added, âAn hour later he went and told the world.â |
| 10:01.04 | Shirik | I'm not going to say the news shouldn't be rebroadcasting classified information or anythin |
| 10:01.17 | Shirik | but I really wish the media would learn the fact that just because something's public doesn't somehow cause it to be declassified |
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| 10:04.06 | Neffi | Shirik: to what are you refering? (link?) |
| 10:04.46 | Shirik | http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/24/foley-family-to-white-house-you-saved-bergdahl-why-not-our-son.html |
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| 10:36.28 | DJJeff | Maldivia not sure |
| 10:48.57 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/wNEZjrx.jpg now that's a generous prize |
| 10:49.07 | Neffi | not sure if they can afford to pay it out though |
| 11:04.13 | Kalroth | $10 doesn't seem like a lot of money |
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| 11:14.22 | DJJeff | soooooooooo on my realm there are almost no frogs |
| 11:14.50 | nebula169 | there's like never frogs just killing, they die instantly |
| 11:14.55 | nebula169 | chilling* |
| 11:15.50 | DJJeff | me and my friend joined a group and the other group was sent to my realm |
| 11:15.51 | Mr_Rabies | find a group, jeff |
| 11:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 11:15.59 | DJJeff | which has a low frog respawn rate |
| 11:16.03 | Mr_Rabies | the faster they're killed, the faster they'll spawn |
| 11:16.10 | DJJeff | oh |
| 11:16.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's dynamic, it'll pick up as they're killed faster |
| 11:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | you can definitely cap it out, but |
| 11:16.22 | DJJeff | my realm is a low population realm |
| 11:16.28 | Mr_Rabies | it'll speed up as you keep going |
| 11:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | until a certain point |
| 11:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | if the group is fast enough they'll be almost instant |
| 11:17.08 | Mr_Rabies | even on low-pop |
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| 11:24.42 | DJJeff | and again I get fucking kicked from a frog group |
| 11:24.47 | DJJeff | which I started |
| 11:25.16 | Kalroth | maybe it's not them, maybe it's you |
| 11:25.22 | Kalroth | maybe it's maybeline |
| 11:25.38 | DJJeff | there is nothing fucking wrong with me |
| 11:25.48 | DJJeff | there is something fucking wrong with this game |
| 11:26.35 | karl_w_w | PJSalt |
| 11:27.04 | DJJeff | their reason was.... "we dont need healers for frog groups" |
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| 11:44.33 | DJJeff | compare playing super mario brothers to wow.... once you beat bowser it feels great right |
| 11:44.43 | DJJeff | wow does not offer that to the "casual player" |
| 11:45.14 | nevcairiel | he is right, you dont need a healer for a frog group |
| 11:45.45 | Kalroth | does it require anything special though? |
| 11:46.00 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 11:46.18 | nevcairiel | but a healer is just useless, as he doesnt dps the frogs :D |
| 11:47.16 | Kalroth | did they remove multiple talent trees? |
| 11:48.19 | DJJeff | did they? |
| 11:48.24 | nevcairiel | he wouldnt be a healer if he respeced |
| 11:48.47 | DJJeff | my monk is just a healer |
| 11:48.55 | DJJeff | my mage is my dps |
| 12:02.48 | DJJeff | maybe if expansion packs did not come out so often casual gamers would get a chance to see end game content |
| 12:03.20 | karl_w_w | often o.O |
| 12:03.49 | karl_w_w | I was a casual game and saw end game content 9 months ago |
| 12:03.52 | karl_w_w | gamer |
| 12:04.13 | karl_w_w | 9 months of casualness should be plenty of time for anyone to catch up |
| 12:06.08 | DJJeff | I got to see most of ICC during WotLK expac |
| 12:06.17 | DJJeff | because I had hardcore groups to run with |
| 12:07.32 | DJJeff | the garrison thingy in WoD sounds really cool |
| 12:08.04 | DJJeff | but cata and panda was just lame except for timeless isle killing rares |
| 12:10.38 | karl_w_w | timeless isle rares arent end game content |
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| 12:11.13 | Ironii | DJJeff as a casual player is there something in mop that you didn't have time to do? |
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| 12:13.23 | Ironii | for the past 8 months i could call my self a casual player, avg game time/ week would be something like 6-8h max for the past 8months |
| 12:13.38 | Ironii | and there isn't anything that i want or need to do in mop |
| 12:14.04 | Industrial | Hi. How do I stop casting in a macro? |
| 12:14.23 | Industrial | example: I'm casting a cobra shot and missing a kill shot window. what do I do? suck less and time better? |
| 12:15.54 | Ironii | /stopcasting |
| 12:16.48 | Ironii | tho i think you need two /stopcasting for it to work for hunters |
| 12:16.56 | Industrial | ah, okay. :S |
| 12:16.57 | Ironii | atleast that was the case before 6.0 |
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| 12:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, fantastic ones. |
| 12:54.42 | Fisker | :OO |
| 12:54.43 | Kalroth | Good day, the lopeppeppiest of them all |
| 12:54.45 | Fisker | good morning Lopeppeppy |
| 12:55.07 | Fisker | At first I thought you were the earliest peppy but then I remember you were the latest |
| 12:55.20 | Fisker | Wiiiiiiintertime |
| 12:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | I am not late. A wizard arrives just when she means to. |
| 12:58.12 | Fisker | That's gandalf speak for saying "Sorry thousands died while I was procrastinating" |
| 12:58.36 | Fisker | Thousands didn't die in your abscence, I hope |
| 12:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | I killed millions of germs this weekend! Does that coutn? |
| 12:59.54 | Fisker | Not at all, those jerks deserved it |
| 13:05.20 | Industrial | Ironii: Can I still do a /targetnearestenemy ? :P or is that like ancient |
| 13:05.41 | Neffi | yes |
| 13:05.53 | Kalroth | asshole! |
| 13:09.01 | Neffi | O.O |
| 13:10.16 | Kalroth | oh, i assumed you were being a meanie on purpose |
| 13:10.33 | Kalroth | like fisker would |
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| 13:32.51 | karl_w_w | I don't usually nod off while driving, but when I do I'm playing euro truck sim 2 |
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| 13:44.20 | Kalroth | the best kind of truck to drive if you're nodding off |
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| 14:12.45 | DJJeff | mirror images for mages is now a talent? |
| 14:12.54 | DJJeff | and I say again..... WTF blizzard |
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| 14:35.56 | Ironii | whats wrong with it being a talent? |
| 14:37.38 | Thunder_Child | And if Blizz keeps making you 'WTF', then maybe you shouldn't be playing. |
| 14:38.20 | Kalroth | unless you're resetting addons |
| 14:42.29 | mikma | ,, |
| 14:42.32 | mikma | whops |
| 14:47.15 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Kalroth |
| 14:47.15 | purl | slaps Kalroth upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 14:55.45 | mikma | http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-W87CUN-Fire-TV-Stick/dp/B00GDQ0RMG |
| 14:56.50 | Thunder_Child | But my TV already does that. |
| 14:57.43 | mikma | burn your tv |
| 14:57.58 | Thunder_Child | Why? |
| 15:01.23 | mikma | because you need this stick |
| 15:09.45 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.31 | Thunder_Child | There is too much about that I do not understand. |
| 15:22.59 | Arrowmaster | its from amazon, it sucks |
| 15:23.41 | karl_w_w | but you get to play Flappy Birds Family on it! |
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| 15:27.25 | foxlit | string.sub("banana", 0) << annoying semantics :( |
| 15:28.06 | Thunder_Child | For scale? |
| 15:28.33 | foxlit | I kind of don |
| 15:28.48 | foxlit | 't want it to be equivalent to string.sub("banana", 1) |
| 15:29.51 | foxlit | (but I guess having 0 be just beyond the end of string is too weird?) |
| 15:34.04 | Semlar | what do you expect starting at character 0 to do for sub |
| 15:34.16 | foxlit | return an empty string. |
| 15:36.38 | Semlar | if you gave it a length of 0 it would probably return an empty string |
| 15:36.51 | Semlar | seems like it would be more efficient to just not call the function in the first place |
| 15:38.43 | foxlit | what I actually want is a function that returns the last X characters of a string S. |
| 15:39.15 | foxlit | sub does that, almost, except when X=0, it vomits S at you. |
| 15:39.48 | Semlar | yeah, you'll have to check if X == 0 before feeding it to sub and just return '' |
| 15:40.14 | foxlit | and that is annoying. |
| 15:40.20 | Semlar | which is marginally more inconvenient, but i'm not sure sub should return nothing given 0 |
| 15:40.54 | Torhal | Wrapper functions FTW. |
| 15:41.53 | foxlit | and why aren't you sure, Semlar? |
| 15:42.01 | Semlar | it's supposed to be the character it starts at, so 0 being the same as 1 isn't all that surprising |
| 15:42.15 | Semlar | why would you expect it to return an empty string |
| 15:42.29 | nevcairiel | because it fits his algorithm, probably |
| 15:42.48 | foxlit | because it would be convinient for me, and semantics where it returns "" are internally consistent. |
| 15:43.21 | foxlit | while a substring starting at a non-existent character is rather badly defined. |
| 15:43.54 | Semlar | it's probably marginally more convenient to have it behave the same as 1 in most cases |
| 15:44.49 | foxlit | I don't see any basis for that assertion. |
| 15:45.08 | ScratchMonkey | 39" display and I'm losing the tiny mouse pointer, any way to make it bigger? Looks like oMouse hasn't been updated, checking source site.... |
| 15:45.22 | Semlar | _cursor? |
| 15:45.36 | Semlar | wait, no _cursor was hella broken the last time i used it |
| 15:45.43 | nevcairiel | that happens to me on my 30" sometimes |
| 15:46.05 | Semlar | i mean it worked, just not if you changed any of the settings |
| 15:46.59 | Semlar | oh, omouse is just a rip off of _cursor anyway |
| 15:47.06 | ScratchMonkey | omouse seems to be updated on solidice site, kind of a comet cursor thing http://www.solidice.com/downloads/world-of-warcraft/omouse |
| 15:48.58 | Semlar | like he literally just copied this code out of cursor |
| 15:49.06 | Semlar | it still has some of the comments |
| 15:50.43 | ScratchMonkey | who wrote the original? |
| 15:50.50 | Semlar | torhal? |
| 15:50.56 | Semlar | he might just be maintaining it |
| 15:51.09 | Semlar | i can never tell |
| 15:51.16 | Ressy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.16 | Ressy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.36 | Semlar | tiny could never in a million years have come up with the design for this |
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| 15:52.38 | Ressy | and he didn't |
| 15:52.46 | Ressy | Cursor: |
| 15:52.46 | Ressy | model:SetLight(1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1) -- Allows trails like warriors' intervene to work |
| 15:52.54 | Ressy | omouse: |
| 15:52.54 | Ressy | m:SetLight( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 ); -- Allows trails like warriors' intervene to work |
| 15:52.59 | Semlar | yeah, i know |
| 15:53.32 | Stanzilla | Torhal the content thief |
| 15:53.39 | Semlar | dammit torhal |
| 15:53.41 | Ironii | well, he did add ';' |
| 15:53.42 | Ironii | ^^ |
| 15:54.05 | Stanzilla | that's even worse |
| 15:54.11 | Semlar | lol |
| 15:54.49 | nevcairiel | cant get addon authors to host stuff on his terrible website, cant host the addons without their approval ... stealing the addons and re-badging them is the only choice! |
| 15:55.35 | karl_w_w | what do you call identical tits? |
| 15:55.42 | karl_w_w | identities |
| 15:55.53 | foxlit | maybe it might be better to tone down the personal stuff. |
| 15:56.03 | Stanzilla | Torhal should make his own addon site, call it AckisAddonPortal |
| 15:56.08 | Ironii | is he just uploading addons from other sites or is someone actually uplaoding stuff to his site? |
| 15:56.09 | foxlit | the addon predates the website, yeah? |
| 15:56.37 | Semlar | foxlit what's with the random hex codes |
| 15:56.51 | foxlit | which random hex codes? |
| 15:56.54 | Semlar | or am i the only one seeing that |
| 15:57.10 | Semlar | foxlitthe addon predates the website, ye0x1cah? |
| 15:57.25 | nevcairiel | it shows some weird character for me, not a written hex code |
| 15:57.40 | Stanzilla | yeah? |
| 15:58.36 | foxlit | keyboard angle is a bit awkward; maybe I'm hitting an accent-composing key or something. It's ASCII to me. |
| 15:58.37 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.04 | foxlit | "yeah?" vs "yeah?" |
| 15:59.18 | foxlit | (indetical here; fist is copy/paste, second is retyped) |
| 15:59.30 | Semlar | well those both display the same for me |
| 15:59.35 | Semlar | so apparently it isn't copying it |
| 15:59.52 | Semlar | you had a 0x08 in a message earlier |
| 15:59.56 | foxlit | mysterious. |
| 16:00.01 | Semlar | yis |
| 16:00.05 | Ressy | But _Cursor is GPL3 |
| 16:00.28 | Semlar | that doesn't mean i can't complain about it |
| 16:01.08 | Fisker | classic mac foxlit |
| 16:01.28 | foxlit | ssh, or it'll be offended and scramble things further. |
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| 16:03.15 | Fisker | I'm fine with that |
| 16:03.33 | Fisker | My client isn't a jerk and doesn't display characters that shouldn't be displayed |
| 16:03.53 | Semlar | i don't know, i kind of like it |
| 16:12.21 | pompy | "Building Artificial Intelligence is "Summoning a Demon" Says Tesla CEO Elon Musk" |
| 16:18.20 | foxlit | well, don't leave us hanging. |
| 16:19.41 | Fisker | hangs foxlit |
| 16:20.53 | foxlit | "With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where thereâs the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, itâs like yeah heâs sure he can control the demon. Didnât work out." |
| 16:21.40 | foxlit | disappointment all around. There's a difference between a/the, and it turns out that the quote uses the phrase as a cheap image rather than a metaphor. |
| 16:25.42 | Semlar | is there a way to determine whether you can trade an item with a specific person |
| 16:26.12 | Constie | Is it possible to replace the default loading screen tips? |
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| 16:41.14 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 16:41.30 | Semlar | they're in the dbc files |
| 16:42.04 | Shirik | Semlar: this is neat, I'm not getting hex codes but I am getting something absurd |
| 16:42.34 | Semlar | my client is probably just incapable of displaying the character so it's spitting out the character code |
| 16:43.35 | Constie | http://i.imgur.com/5jnkAGp.png |
| 16:43.53 | Elkano | hmm... I think WoW managed to somehow break Lua's singleton strings... |
| 16:44.06 | Shirik | http://i.gyazo.com/1bf4869756fd6ff80caf78e6f4e106e0.png |
| 16:44.37 | Shirik | and you all need to L2UTF |
| 16:44.45 | Semlar | nope |
| 16:45.14 | Shirik | æ¥æ¬èªãããã¾ããï¼ |
| 16:45.20 | Semlar | well i can display that fine |
| 16:45.46 | nebula169 | <Ressy> But _Cursor is GPL3 < oMouse is ARR |
| 16:45.57 | Elkano | ã¯ãããããã¾ãã |
| 16:51.17 | mikma | http://vimeo.com/91715361 |
| 16:51.20 | Elkano | ok, strange bug: I have extended string with a bunch of custom utf8 aware functions |
| 16:52.12 | Elkano | however, it seems like new strings initially miss these functions for var:func() syntax calls |
| 16:52.25 | foxlit | and you're doing this in wow? |
| 16:52.30 | Elkano | yes |
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| 16:52.37 | foxlit | you cannot do this in wow. |
| 16:52.49 | foxlit | string is not the __index for the string metatable. |
| 16:53.06 | Torhal | Semlar: _Cursor works just fine. |
| 16:53.19 | Elkano | I would understand if they never showed up but they suddenly do |
| 16:53.22 | Torhal | Though tiny has oMouse listed as All Rights Reserved. |
| 16:54.29 | Semlar | Torhal: unless cursor was recently updated to work, if i changed any of the trails to anything else and saved it, it wouldn't load that trail after a reload |
| 16:54.49 | Torhal | Semlar: Recently as in...? :D |
| 16:54.50 | Semlar | it worked up until it attempted to load the saved settings and then it just didn't load that trail |
| 16:55.07 | Semlar | this was in 5.4.8 |
| 16:55.23 | Torhal | I did a big overhaul in July. |
| 16:55.35 | Semlar | within this month |
| 16:55.37 | Semlar | it didn't work |
| 16:55.48 | Torhal | o.O |
| 16:55.50 | Semlar | i could go try it again in a bit |
| 16:55.57 | foxlit | Elkano: that sounds very mysterious; tell us more. |
| 16:56.01 | Torhal | Thanks for the bug report! :D |
| 16:56.03 | Torhal | Anywho, back to work. |
| 16:58.21 | Elkano | I use UTF8 (a 'lib' that can be found on wowace) to abbreviate long strings to each word's first char in EBB |
| 16:58.55 | farmbuyer | foxlit: when did the string table stop being the string-type __index? That was builtin to Lua 5.1... |
| 16:59.25 | Elkano | so in reaction to a UNIT_AURA event the name is passed to a function for abbreviation |
| 17:01.02 | Elkano | when I print tostring(buffname.utf8len) inside that function, I get nil on reload for each buff |
| 17:02.00 | Semlar | Torhal: still doesn't work |
| 17:02.02 | Elkano | however, if I apply the abbreviation function after the full name has already been shown, it works fine for existing |
| 17:02.08 | Elkano | but it will fail on new ones |
| 17:02.48 | Semlar | Torhal: quite easy to reproduce, just open the cursor options, change the preset name dropdown to.. anything and hit okay |
| 17:03.00 | Semlar | it will work until you reload the game and then not load that cursor |
| 17:03.41 | foxlit | farmbuyer: if I had to guess, 3.0. |
| 17:04.34 | farmbuyer | foxlit: 3.0 of..? Last I heard, that table still *is* the __index. |
| 17:05.37 | Torhal | Semlar: I'll check it tonight, if I remember. |
| 17:05.49 | Elkano | same also applies to substrings extracted via pattern matching (that is they either have or miss the function depending on the "parent") |
| 17:06.46 | Shirik | to be fair, if there's a problem here, it's probably not Lua's fault but rather Blizzard's |
| 17:07.38 | Shirik | whatever mess has been hacked in to give some semblance of UTF8 support in Lua has been entirely done by Blizzard (and integration of libraries) |
| 17:07.52 | foxlit | 3.0 of WoW. However, it changed again since the last time I looked. |
| 17:10.39 | foxlit | my memory was that they were doing the equivalent of setmetatable("", {__metatable=string, __index=copy(string)}), but 6.0 is more like setmetatable("", {__metatable=string, __index=string}) |
| 17:14.36 | foxlit | but this explains nothing about what's going on in Elkano's case. |
| 17:15.07 | MiRai | Semlar: Weird, I can't reproduce that. The cursor stays set after a /reload for me |
| 17:15.31 | MiRai | I set it to face melter, loaded it, and did a /reload and it's still the face melter |
| 17:15.34 | MiRai | although I think it's broken |
| 17:15.36 | Semlar | the addon refuses to load its settings |
| 17:15.51 | MiRai | it's not melting my face by any means |
| 17:16.18 | Semlar | if i edit a trail, it refuses to load that trail, it loads the trails behind it that i haven't touched yet |
| 17:16.21 | Semlar | but not the one i changed |
| 17:17.50 | foxlit | If I had to hazard a guess, it's actually |
| 17:18.20 | foxlit | __index=function(self, k) if issecure() then return string_copy[k] else return _G.string[k] end |
| 17:18.27 | MiRai | I don't know. I just created a custom cursor as well and it is there after /reload |
| 17:19.03 | Semlar | it doesn't work until i wipe out the saved variables for _cursor, and then it only works with the defaults |
| 17:19.22 | MiRai | I had a different issue with the right mouse button not hiding/showing the _cursor settings correctly (which I already posted on the _Cursor comments) |
| 17:21.35 | foxlit | hah, it is actually that, and it hasn't really changed. http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/9056/RestrictedExecution.lua#724 |
| 17:24.22 | foxlit | Elkano: could you paste your function somewhere? |
| 17:25.46 | Elkano | which one? UTF8 or the EBB stuff? |
| 17:28.14 | foxlit | EBB. |
| 17:28.37 | foxlit | UTF8's role in this is pretty much dumb string.foo = bar |
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| 17:30.10 | Semlar | MiRai: this is on a brand new installation with no saved variables and no other addons enabled, so there has to be a problem with the addon |
| 17:31.02 | MiRai | I don't know. I have been a long time _Cursor user, but I was testing just now on a level 1 that hadn't logged in prior. Even after you said you deleted your SV I did the same, but it still saves after a /reload. /shrug |
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| 17:33.10 | Semlar | MiRai, Torhal: http://youtu.be/26DoZUyeF98 |
| 17:34.03 | MiRai | that's too weird |
| 17:34.03 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/HEH05g8.gif |
| 17:34.21 | farmbuyer | Semlar: linked on facebook and reposted on reddit, expect one meeeeeeelion hits by lunchtime! |
| 17:34.28 | mikma | HAX, semlar, HAX! |
| 17:34.32 | MiRai | I notice you make the change in the drop down, but you hit Okay and not Apply. Does hitting Apply before hitting Okay change anything? |
| 17:34.41 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 17:34.50 | Semlar | i'll go check |
| 17:34.58 | Semlar | the preview window also doesn't display properly |
| 17:35.12 | MiRai | Oh, that's WoD beta? |
| 17:35.19 | Semlar | well it does the same thing on live |
| 17:35.25 | MiRai | Oh, okay. |
| 17:35.36 | Semlar | i just did it on the beta so i could disable everything without screwing up my own installation |
| 17:35.58 | Semlar | yeah hitting apply doesn't make any difference |
| 17:36.33 | Semlar | layer 2 continues to display, until i change it to something else and then it also no longer functions |
| 17:36.53 | MiRai | I see the behavior you describe on WoD beta |
| 17:36.55 | MiRai | but not live |
| 17:37.08 | Semlar | i suspect it's due to the fact that it's a new installation of cursor |
| 17:37.49 | Semlar | and you aren't seeing it on live because you have existing saved variables that it somehow works with or another addon is making it work |
| 17:38.00 | Torhal | Semlar: That's....eww. |
| 17:38.12 | Torhal | Yah, I'll try to remember to look tonight. |
| 17:39.08 | Semlar | i only say that because there aren't any comments from any existing cursor users about it not working so it's possibly only affecting new users |
| 17:40.53 | MiRai | In beta, if you hit the Defaults button in the lower left of the AddOns tab, and choose 'These Settings' and 'Only _Cursor' you can get the defaults working again w/o deleting any SV |
| 17:41.05 | MiRai | well |
| 17:41.12 | MiRai | w/o having to exit the game client and do it manually |
| 17:41.21 | Semlar | the defaults seem to work but nothing else does |
| 17:41.24 | MiRai | needs a /reload to take effect |
| 17:41.33 | MiRai | yeah, it ends up with the same behavior though |
| 17:42.10 | MiRai | hmmm |
| 17:43.08 | MiRai | actually... switching to Ghost trail and then back to Electric, Blue worked fine |
| 17:43.14 | MiRai | with a /reload after each |
| 17:43.27 | MiRai | it's the Electric, blue long screwing me up after a /reload |
| 17:44.07 | MiRai | then switching to Souls for a trail and a /reload fixed it |
| 17:44.21 | MiRai | so... maybe it's just a few having issues after a /reload? |
| 17:44.32 | Semlar | maybe it's only specific models |
| 17:45.00 | Semlar | although i swear the last time i did this none of them worked |
| 17:45.24 | Torhal | replaces Semlar's RAM. |
| 17:45.29 | Semlar | dies |
| 17:45.36 | Torhal | ... |
| 17:45.50 | Constie | RIP. |
| 17:48.12 | Semlar | seems to just not like certain models after you reload the game |
| 17:49.01 | Semlar | but it's weird because it doesn't let you switch to anything else once it's broken |
| 17:50.33 | Semlar | maybe it's a bizarre model scaling issue |
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| 18:20.20 | fewyn | oh goodie |
| 18:20.23 | fewyn | there's a patch tomorrow |
| 18:28.55 | Semlar | patchy patch? |
| 18:29.09 | Thunder_Child | No, just a patch. |
| 18:29.13 | Semlar | i see |
| 18:29.40 | Semlar | what are they patching |
| 18:31.33 | Thunder_Child | Also, I think patch is a poor term. |
| 18:32.17 | Thunder_Child | It's a repair for a hole of some kind. |
| 18:33.09 | Thunder_Child | It's also supposed to be temporary. |
| 18:35.45 | Fisker | hey |
| 18:36.45 | Thunder_Child | ho |
| 18:37.05 | Torhal | You should be called Thunder_Dictionary |
| 18:37.25 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 18:37.33 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 18:37.37 | Torhal | Cronut? |
| 18:38.06 | Constie | I just installed Archy, and it lists Torhal as an author. Bless you. |
| 18:38.14 | Torhal | >.> |
| 18:38.23 | Fisker | I like you Torhal |
| 18:38.26 | Torhal | I need to sit down one weekend and rewrite it from scratch. |
| 18:38.57 | Fisker | Don't rewrite my love |
| 18:38.58 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:39.19 | Torhal | :/ |
| 18:39.24 | Fisker | :3 |
| 18:39.43 | Torhal | :| |
| 18:39.58 | Fisker | :) |
| 18:40.08 | Torhal | D: |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker | :D |
| 18:40.39 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.01 | Fisker | :j |
| 18:41.30 | Torhal | :Q |
| 18:41.59 | Fisker | :> |
| 18:42.15 | Torhal | Ok, done now. |
| 18:42.17 | Torhal | Stuff to do. |
| 18:42.24 | Fisker | :f |
| 18:42.30 | Fisker | buhbye |
| 18:42.32 | Torhal | wrangles Neffi into playing with Fisker. |
| 18:42.36 | Fisker | no |
| 18:42.53 | Semlar | plays with fisker |
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| 18:52.34 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: It's amazing how I both get praised for my vocab, and demonized for correcting people with it. |
| 18:53.59 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: I can see that. :D |
| 18:54.44 | Constie | I wish people would not mind being corrected, and also correct me more often. |
| 18:56.47 | Constie | Well, ideally no one would ever correct me because there would never be any mistakes to correct, but. |
| 18:57.56 | Thunder_Child | Well, you ended your sentince with a conjunction... |
| 19:01.52 | Constie | Yeah! |
| 19:07.22 | mikma | ahha. Benedict Cumberbatch is Doctor Strange |
| 19:07.37 | ccox | that is so wrong |
| 19:10.55 | Alram | its not been confirmed yet right |
| 19:10.58 | Alram | just a rumor |
| 19:11.09 | mikma | marvel has not confirmed |
| 19:11.38 | Alram | im not sure i can see more cumberbatch |
| 19:11.44 | Alram | he will always be sherlock |
| 19:11.50 | mikma | true |
| 19:11.54 | Shirik | that moment when you post a comment on facebook, and you can't tell if someone likes it because of your sarcasm, or because they agree with it |
| 19:11.54 | mikma | he's awesome at that role |
| 19:12.13 | Primer | you mean he will always be Kahn |
| 19:12.16 | mikma | also the role in star trek was awesome, made me hate him before i started watching sherlock |
| 19:12.25 | Alram | :D |
| 19:12.54 | mikma | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ub6a2MHr1qgarj6o1_1280.jpg |
| 19:18.47 | mikma | also, yay! Ismo Leikola won the http://www.laughfactory.com/contests/funniest-person-finals/online-voting ! go ismo! |
| 19:19.58 | Simca | anyone have any example code lying around for implementing a simple secure action button with one function (set via attributes) and bound through BIndings.xml? |
| 19:20.21 | nevcairiel | if you dont need actual working button visuals, then thats trivial |
| 19:21.34 | Simca | unfortunately i do need the button visuals, or at least something very limited in that department |
| 19:21.49 | mikma | simca: http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FVoodoo%2F#_Voodoo_ |
| 19:22.08 | Semlar | you can inherit any button template along with your secure template |
| 19:22.09 | mikma | simca: it's this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14985-Voodoo.html |
| 19:22.25 | nevcairiel | create a Button frame, inherit from SecureActionButtonTemplate, in bindings.xml add a binding to "CLICK ButtonName:LeftButton" |
| 19:22.56 | Simca | mikma: perfect |
| 19:23.02 | nevcairiel | if you need visuals, also inherit from ActionBarButtonTemplate |
| 19:23.14 | mikma | simca: :) |
| 19:25.11 | nevcairiel | 6.0.3 patch tomorrow btw |
| 19:25.30 | mikma | what's new? |
| 19:25.47 | nevcairiel | bugfixes |
| 19:25.53 | mikma | iron something pet noise reduction? :) |
| 19:26.00 | nevcairiel | i think they hotfixed that |
| 19:26.03 | farmbuyer | all mages are replaced by diablo3 wizards |
| 19:26.15 | nevcairiel | that would be cool, wizards are actually fun |
| 19:26.17 | farmbuyer | the pet noises should already be fixed, I thought |
| 19:26.20 | farmbuyer | yeah |
| 19:26.38 | mikma | farmbuyer: excellent |
| 19:27.01 | mikma | nevcairiel: has not been hotfixed, still sounds horribly loud |
| 19:27.16 | farmbuyer | ugh, I thought it had |
| 19:27.26 | mikma | and by horribly i mean WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY AWESOME PET!?!? |
| 19:33.19 | Shirik | this is officially the most useless email ever |
| 19:33.21 | Shirik | http://i.gyazo.com/ba1746712c392cc8a56ab84e00a9c2f6.png |
| 19:35.05 | Simca | they gave you the number, that's basically all you need |
| 19:35.45 | Simca | https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/WTRK/index.html?tracknumbers=868149415021753&cntry_code=us&fdx=1490 |
| 19:36.08 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: oh wow that guy again. |
| 19:38.56 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: I think he's actually quite high on the autism/asperger's scale or suffers of narcissistic personality disorder |
| 19:40.16 | nebula169 | is there a reliable way to checking if you're on the beta without using GetBuildInfo(), i could have swore there was something that returned ptr/beta when investing fixes for acedb region key |
| 19:40.24 | nebula169 | s/to/for/ |
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| 19:42.16 | nebula169 | investigating* typing is hard |
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| 19:59.44 | foxlit | could I convince someone to implement mildy efficient 32-bit band/bor/bnot using Lua arithmetic? |
| 20:00.12 | Thunder_Child | http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/wpqbht4408w6zclz8dez.png |
| 20:00.27 | Shirik | using lua arithmetic? |
| 20:00.36 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 20:00.42 | Shirik | how exactly do you expect this to be "mildly efficient" :P |
| 20:01.15 | Shirik | I don't even consider the native bit library to be efficient |
| 20:01.47 | foxlit | mildly efficient: better than for i=1,32 do ... end |
| 20:02.10 | Fisker | j=1,32 |
| 20:02.16 | Fisker | Higher than i |
| 20:02.53 | Shirik | It seems like it would be fun to do, but why? |
| 20:02.56 | foxlit | basically, Shirik, what's the best you can do in those circumstances? |
| 20:03.36 | foxlit | it's plan C; maybe there's no bitlib installed. |
| 20:04.00 | Shirik | oh so this is not a wow thing |
| 20:05.16 | nevcairiel | kinda a wow thing, just not inside wow |
| 20:07.05 | Simca | Neffi: you were right btw; secure button click handlers work normally when the button is hidden |
| 20:08.54 | foxlit | I kind of feel like function bnot(x) return (-x % 2^32) - 1 end might just work. |
| 20:14.23 | Shirik | I'll try to whip something up tonight foxlit |
| 20:16.48 | foxlit | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2002-09/msg00134.html |
| 20:17.29 | Guillotine | Be warned that it's implementation defined whether -1 % 3 returns 2 or -1 >< |
| 20:18.09 | foxlit | I thought that was language-specified. |
| 20:18.10 | nevcairiel | eh, with a table |
| 20:18.14 | nevcairiel | everyone can do it with a table |
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| 20:19.20 | foxlit | a % b == a - math.floor(a/b)*b is what the manual has to say about it. |
| 20:19.54 | Guillotine | foxlit: Technically C guarantees the sign of the denominator, C++ makes no such guarantees. So it depends on how Lua is compiled. |
| 20:20.43 | Simca | wikipedia says Lua 4 and Lua 5 match the sign of the divisor, while the C-language family matches the sign of the dividend |
| 20:21.02 | Simca | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation has a giant table |
| 20:21.42 | foxlit | #define luai_nummod(a,b)((a) - floor((a)/(b))*(b)) |
| 20:22.22 | foxlit | it should not be falling back to host modulo operator. |
| 20:22.42 | Guillotine | Ah, you're right for the built-in %. I was looking at bit.mod |
| 20:22.47 | Guillotine | Which works differently o.O |
| 20:23.55 | foxlit | nevcairiel: a table probably makes sense, though -- you could bootstrap it from a naive implementation and then use it to save time. Presumably. |
| 20:24.30 | Simca | <nebula169> is there a reliable way to checking if you're on the beta without using GetBuildInfo(), i could have swore there was something that returned ptr/beta when investing fixes for acedb region key |
| 20:24.33 | Simca | yes there are new functions |
| 20:24.40 | Simca | and new returns |
| 20:24.48 | Simca | lemme look them up |
| 20:25.31 | Simca | try IsTestBuild() |
| 20:29.02 | foxlit | (I also already have a naive bxor, so the reformulation of band/bor in terms of bxor is nice to have) |
| 20:32.24 | nebula169 | Simca: that'll work, thanks |
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| 20:54.02 | plaw | for those of you who aren't already sufficiently disturbed http://www.instructables.com/id/Goodmorning-Underwear/ |
| 20:59.07 | Constie | Clicking this. |
| 21:00.23 | kullervo | I could make that from an old alarm clock and the ... moving part |
| 21:15.45 | fewyn | man why am i tormenting myself by watching good eats on netflix |
| 21:16.37 | Semlar | kullervo: http://mcdn.toolking.com/catalog/product/G/e/Geneva_Clock_Company_3655E_Pewter_Quarts_Analog_Alarm_Clock.jpg you mean one of these and some duct tape |
| 21:17.16 | foxlit | so ~402 KB/s. that's not very impressive :*( |
| 21:18.00 | Kesava | Guillotine~~~~ |
| 21:18.16 | Kesava | i'm stuck in a premade groooup |
| 21:18.18 | Kesava | fix it for me |
| 21:19.06 | fewyn | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3864059894.png |
| 21:19.17 | fewyn | i remember when 402kb/s was awesome |
| 21:19.30 | fewyn | thankfully i have better options than that here |
| 21:19.33 | foxlit | fewyn: wrong kb/s |
| 21:19.49 | fewyn | ouch |
| 21:19.50 | fewyn | yeah |
| 21:19.52 | fewyn | i just noticed that |
| 21:20.06 | fewyn | we have are supposed to have 75/75 now |
| 21:20.11 | fewyn | i think |
| 21:20.55 | foxlit | 402 kilobytes of input per second is the speed at which this thing computes md5 hashes. |
| 21:21.28 | foxlit | (using only floating point math) |
| 21:23.16 | kullervo | Semlar: hmh yes that would be the fully mechanical solution, but I actually did mean an electrical alarm clock one might see in a movie from the 80s or 90s |
| 21:24.24 | Semlar | you could make a fully mechanical wind-up device |
| 21:24.32 | Semlar | and then not have to worry about batteries! |
| 21:25.03 | Guillotine | Kesava: Try inviting someone to a group with /invite and see if that fixes it |
| 21:25.33 | Kesava | I did indeed, didn't work though. Did give me "leader" and made the delist group button appear, but the button didn't actually do anything |
| 21:25.52 | Kesava | (i expect it's a bit deeper than ui development) |
| 21:26.04 | Semlar | Guillotine: what's up with cooldown spinners ignoring their alpha |
| 21:26.49 | Mr_Rabies | an ambush! |
| 21:26.56 | Semlar | quick, before he gets away! |
| 21:28.56 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:29.55 | Kesava | (for more context mr. Guillotine sir, the group was randomly entirely disbanded as soon as someone hit the boss. Whether or not that was on purpose I don't know, but it seemed to break the group finder) |
| 21:30.07 | Kesava | (also i was just kidding don't worry) |
| 21:31.00 | Guillotine | Kesava: Yeah, the issue is that the party server crashed. That's how you get into that weird state :( It fixes itself after 30 mins when the entry expires though |
| 21:31.11 | Kesava | Ah. I see, ty :D |
| 21:31.29 | Guillotine | Hopefully I'll have time to get in a fix so it recovers better soon |
| 21:31.48 | Guillotine | Semlar: A typo. Should be fixed in the next patch |
| 21:31.57 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 21:33.38 | Semlar | Guillotine: also, could we possibly get the power cost back in GetSpellInfo because pulling it out of the tooltip is pretty awkward and slow |
| 21:35.38 | Semlar | you said it wasn't accurate but however it was functioning before seemed to work well enough for me |
| 21:37.48 | Guillotine | Semlar: It's tasked, but as always no guarantees :) |
| 21:38.20 | Semlar | that's fine, just want you guys to know that people do use it for things |
| 21:38.36 | Guillotine | Yup! |
| 21:40.36 | Semlar | Guillotine: if i made a nameplate addon that just sort of stacked all the nameplates on top of each other down the side of the screen, would that functionality end up getting broken |
| 21:44.06 | foxlit | that's so cheating, Semlar. Everything is allowed right up to the point when it's not, and that point is usually when a game designer goes "right, we don't want that!" |
| 21:44.17 | Semlar | i know it's a terrible question |
| 21:44.30 | Torhal | questions Semlar terribly. |
| 21:44.32 | Semlar | i just don't want to put the effort into writing something that's just going to get taken away |
| 21:44.46 | Torhal | Why not? Happens all the time. |
| 21:44.58 | Torhal | Take _NPCScan, for example. |
| 21:44.59 | Torhal | >.> |
| 21:45.42 | Guillotine | Semlar: That wouldn't be my call. Personally I don't see an issue with it, but that doesn't mean designers won't! |
| 21:45.58 | Semlar | it's all done securely and you can't sort them or anything |
| 21:46.28 | Semlar | it's just instead of having them above the unit's head you have them in one designated area like unit frames |
| 21:48.18 | Primer | Semlar: you have your marching orders, son |
| 21:48.19 | Torhal | Just Do It. |
| 21:48.52 | Primer | I'll do the BGT integration |
| 21:49.06 | Semlar | yeah i'm taking that as a full endorsement by Guillotine if anyone asks and he assumes all responsibility |
| 21:49.24 | Semlar | >_> <_< |
| 21:49.36 | Torhal | Prepare to be smote. |
| 21:49.39 | foxlit | that's okay, as long as we get to slow roast you after he disappears. |
| 21:49.50 | Primer | Semlar: I'll back you up |
| 21:49.57 | Torhal | Double-roast! |
| 21:50.00 | Semlar | it's okay, i never finish anything anyway |
| 21:50.05 | Torhal | ^ |
| 21:50.09 | Primer | Semlar: just make sure you get this done before the next pvp season |
| 21:52.00 | Semlar | when is that |
| 21:52.16 | Primer | presumably a week or two after WoD |
| 21:54.03 | kd3 | dec 2 iirc |
| 21:54.12 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Warlords_Season_1 |
| 21:55.53 | Primer | lovely |
| 21:56.41 | Primer | planning to jump onto that at the start, for once |
| 21:57.15 | Primer | all I know is that whatever class I end up taking to 100 first better be fucking OP |
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| 21:59.13 | Semlar | (warlock) |
| 21:59.50 | Mr_Rabies | argh this green fire thing is driving me nuts |
| 21:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | i think i've dropped almost 2k in repairs on this in the last 2 days |
| 22:01.50 | Constie | I didn't have any interest in the green fire thing until I saw http://i.imgur.com/CSkWW57.png, and now it's too late given that I don't have a Warlock. RIP. |
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| 22:03.39 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/1.3/ << there, I now have a zip file, but I forgot what I was changing or what was left to do |
| 22:04.45 | foxlit | I think it was something with saner casc.open syntax, checking md5 hashes, and returning error messages where those make sense. |
| 22:05.09 | foxlit | please tell me if I broke it :) |
| 22:06.24 | foxlit | (minor note: there's no more casc.lua, so if you've installed into share/, you might want to remove that file) |
| 22:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | my pit lord keeps breaking my enslave randomly and there's practically no avoiding getting it broken by felhunters |
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| 22:23.01 | Neffi | wtf |
| 22:28.29 | A-KO | So for all you Sunday Disney folks |
| 22:28.33 | A-KO | where we meeting up for dinner? :D |
| 22:38.00 | foxlit | so apparently things don't like it when you go A: require("B") B: require("A") |
| 22:39.51 | A-KO | Arrowmaster ping |
| 22:39.59 | Arrowmaster | pong |
| 22:40.03 | A-KO | read up ^ |
| 22:40.15 | Arrowmaster | depends |
| 22:40.28 | Arrowmaster | one year we went to ihop, i forget what we did last year |
| 22:40.37 | A-KO | last year some of us got together for a house of blues thing |
| 22:40.45 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah that |
| 22:41.15 | A-KO | are all the regulars going? |
| 22:41.19 | A-KO | kd3, etc? |
| 22:41.20 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn and dolby usually organize the disney trip |
| 22:41.34 | kd3 | I fly back on sunday, so I can't go to disney this year |
| 22:41.38 | A-KO | oh |
| 22:41.38 | A-KO | that sucks |
| 22:41.48 | Cairenn | Yeah, not doing disney this year guys, sorry |
| 22:41.57 | A-KO | boo :P |
| 22:42.03 | A-KO | guess I'll organize something for dinner then? lol |
| 22:42.21 | Arrowmaster | well get something planned |
| 22:42.26 | A-KO | WORKING ON IT |
| 22:42.28 | Cairenn | sowwy |
| 22:43.04 | Arrowmaster | lots of others from blizzcon will be doing disney on sunday |
| 22:43.15 | A-KO | yeah |
| 22:43.24 | A-KO | There's a Blizzcon fb group I'm a big part of |
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| 23:10.59 | Mr_Rabies | bnet down? :O |
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| 23:35.07 | kd3 | hm. solar flares or something? getting lots of interference on satellite tonight |
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| 23:40.17 | Neffi | no, Semlar went crazy and is shouting into your dish |
| 23:40.29 | Semlar | went crazy? |
| 23:40.34 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:40.57 | Neffi | so I had to watch an educational video about the harm of copyright infringement, Semlar |
| 23:41.12 | Neffi | apparently somebody has been using my connection to illegally pirate movies |
| 23:41.14 | Semlar | you wouldn't download a bear neffi |
| 23:41.30 | Semlar | who would do such a thing |
| 23:41.36 | Semlar | on your connection |
| 23:41.45 | foxlit | how many trillion people die every day because of your rampant piracy, Neffi? |
| 23:41.45 | Neffi | I don't know, but when I find them, I will teach them a lesson about stealing |
| 23:41.46 | Semlar | without using a vpn |
| 23:41.58 | foxlit | "without using a vpn" is always amusing |
| 23:42.22 | foxlit | "why don't you just pay for that service over there via a trackable method and then nobody will know who is responsible for those totally illegal downloads?" |
| 23:43.02 | Neffi | well if the vpn is physically beyond the reach of the mpaa, then it's kinda not an issue, right? |
| 23:43.09 | Semlar | that's like saying why bother putting a lock on your door |
| 23:43.25 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure there's plenty of countries that don't have laws compatible with the MPAA's business of weeding out infringers |
| 23:43.47 | foxlit | no. It's more like saying "why bother putting a lock on where you stash dead bodies and keeping the key in your bank safety deposit box." |
| 23:43.58 | Semlar | that's not even close to an accurate analogy of a vpn |
| 23:43.59 | Neffi | anyway this is all beyond me because I don't pirate stuff. I abide 100% by the law |
| 23:44.19 | Neffi | but I'm certainly going to be using my usenet service to read up on all the latest gossip now |
| 23:44.30 | luxlunae | usenet wow |
| 23:44.38 | Dagmar | Uhhh... technically the US would probably be one of those countries if we weren't such a fucking oligarchy |
| 23:44.43 | Mr_Rabies | i swear green fire is gonna murder me |
| 23:45.02 | foxlit | Semlar: but I liked the image. Besides, any particular aspect you're objecting to? |
| 23:45.10 | Neffi | luxlunae: sometimes security through obscurity does work |
| 23:45.12 | Neffi | ;) |
| 23:45.55 | Dagmar | For about one financial quarter |
| 23:46.20 | Semlar | foxlit: a vpn provides an additional layer of protection that you wouldn't otherwise have, it's not a bulletproof solution to prevent someone from spying on what you're doing but it certainly helps |
| 23:47.23 | foxlit | I feel like there should also be an aknowledgement that in doing so, you're creating proof that it is *you* who is responsible for the activity, which wouldn't otherwise exist. |
| 23:48.06 | Neffi | wanna hear something immoral? |
| 23:48.14 | Semlar | oh, but you already do get prosecuted if "someone" uses your open connection to do something illegal |
| 23:48.45 | Neffi | Verizon's FiOS routers monitor all the unique connections to it and send a log of that back to Verizon, so if you're caught pirating, they can check the logs to see if your computer was the only machine connected to your internet at the time |
| 23:49.17 | Neffi | Of course I have a separate wireless AP that happens to be named "Neffi-PC" through which my neighbor is probably connecting without my consent, so this is no proof! |
| 23:49.31 | luxlunae | verizon :( |
| 23:50.09 | Neffi | Well, it's still the best service offered in a 500 mile radius of me |
| 23:50.23 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: You mean the warlock green fire quest? |
| 23:50.30 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:50.43 | Mr_Rabies | i keep dying because of felhunters |
| 23:50.46 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: I boosted my lock by buying WoD, then began to pvp |
| 23:51.08 | Primer | then farmed the tome, got it immediately, then spent 4 hours wiping on that |
| 23:51.30 | Primer | turns out I just sucked at lock. I spent the next week bging and getting my gear to 550, went back in and 2 shot it |
| 23:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | i've spent probably 10 hours or so |
| 23:51.45 | luxlunae | yeah neffi, I have verizon, the internet is great but they were awful when I tried to cord cut down to just internet this spring |
| 23:51.54 | Primer | Not sure how it is post 6.0, but I would have figured it'd just be easier |
| 23:52.11 | Semlar | you can't even get the quest any more can you |
| 23:52.16 | Primer | Do you have glyph of enslave demon? I presume so |
| 23:52.24 | Primer | Pretty sure you can |
| 23:52.36 | Semlar | i thought they removed it and he just still happens to be on the quest |
| 23:52.40 | Neffi | luxlunae: as a former customer of both Comcast and Time Warner, I'm so fucking happy with Verizon |
| 23:52.46 | Primer | I did it as destro |
| 23:52.47 | Neffi | even if they're still kind of dicks |
| 23:52.49 | Primer | Neffi: hear hear |
| 23:53.02 | Primer | Neffi: I have 50/50 on FIOS |
| 23:53.13 | Primer | I've seen the fiber that comes into my garage |
| 23:53.17 | Neffi | I have 15/15. Never did convince them to bump me for free. Might do that tonight |
| 23:53.27 | Primer | I've never had any problems with it |
| 23:53.38 | Neffi | every time I've had to call up they've been excellent |
| 23:53.41 | Primer | The one problem actually is that they don't give you a bridge |
| 23:53.44 | Primer | only a router |
| 23:53.50 | Neffi | but that was always the tech dept. never had to call billing |
| 23:54.02 | Semlar | i have brighthouse and can't complain about my service |
| 23:54.06 | Neffi | Primer: isn't the outside box a bridge? |
| 23:54.14 | Primer | The one you don't have access to? Yes |
| 23:54.19 | Neffi | the user-accessible panel has an rj45 on it I think |
| 23:54.26 | Primer | which gives you nothing |
| 23:54.30 | Neffi | ahhh |
| 23:54.30 | Primer | I've already asked them about that |
| 23:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | the problem, primer, is that you can't keep the felhunters from breaking enslave |
| 23:54.56 | Mr_Rabies | and then i just die super quick |
| 23:55.03 | Mr_Rabies | since i rely on demonic siphon for health |
| 23:55.09 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: that's why you nuke them ASAP |
| 23:55.23 | Mr_Rabies | they break it immediately upon spawning 90% of the time |
| 23:55.31 | luxlunae | like I said, the internet is great but the cable quality has degraded (I think they lost a lawsuit about the algorithm they were compressing on demand tv shows with) and we barely watch tv so I tried to cord cut and they insisted all of a sudden my internet alone was going to be 90 a month |
| 23:56.01 | Neffi | yeah the non-package prices are surprisingly not great |
| 23:56.05 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: as destro I haved 40 ember for that phase then used havoc and the first 2 died instantly |
| 23:56.07 | Semlar | surprisingly? |
| 23:56.08 | Mr_Rabies | if i get lucky and somehow they don't break the summon, i get him to 25% |
| 23:56.14 | Primer | s/haved/had/ |
| 23:56.17 | Primer | stupid brain |
| 23:56.18 | Semlar | if you don't bundle your services your isp will screw you |
| 23:56.22 | Neffi | (my tv on the other hand looks excellent. no issue with visual quality, luxlunae) |
| 23:56.36 | Mr_Rabies | i die in less time than it takes to cast chaos bolt when getting thrown around, stunned, and beaten on |
| 23:56.37 | Primer | then I feared the third and nuked him |
| 23:56.45 | Neffi | I would give up a non-essential organ to have Google Fiber, tbh |
| 23:57.22 | foxlit | dibs on eyes! |
| 23:57.29 | Semlar | i don't want google having direct access to my internet connection |
| 23:57.33 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: I can't recall exactly how it went down when I killed them, but I recall Howl of Terror wasn't a talent |
| 23:57.41 | Primer | so I used that to keep at least one CC'd |
| 23:58.12 | Primer | I think you have to accept the demonlord getting broken out at some point |
| 23:58.24 | Primer | as long as you have the glyph you can get him back quickly once the 3 fel hunters are dead |
| 23:58.47 | Primer | I also flasked and ate for every pull, and used pots and drums |
| 23:59.15 | Primer | I wish I would have streamed that... |
| 23:59.27 | Primer | so twitch would have recorded it for me |
| 23:59.51 | Neffi | Semlar: I wouldn't mind of the policy/terms look agreeable. |
