| 00:02.16 | Torhal | wonders why Semlar and Neffi conspired to kill the channel. |
| 00:08.34 | Semlar | would you like to join my cult torhal |
| 00:08.56 | Semlar | come on, it'll be fun |
| 00:08.59 | Torhal | ... |
| 00:09.13 | Semlar | there's punch |
| 00:09.58 | Torhal | Jonestown already happened, Semlar. |
| 00:10.09 | Thunder_Child | Jamestown 2.0 |
| 00:10.13 | Dagmar | Free kool-aid! |
| 00:10.14 | Thunder_Child | Jones* |
| 00:10.20 | Semlar | there's always room for improvement |
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| 06:05.37 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 06:05.37 | purl | ~pong |
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| 06:08.58 | Simca__ | hahaha |
| 06:10.54 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:11.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:11.35 | Fisker | I once killed a guy Shirik |
| 06:11.40 | Fisker | For not attending Blizzcon |
| 06:11.45 | Shirik | I'm beginning to suspect this is a lie |
| 06:11.56 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:12.03 | Fisker | Do you want to find out? |
| 06:13.50 | Fisker | That's what I thought |
| 06:17.59 | Alram | i once found out |
| 06:18.01 | Alram | ive never been the same since |
| 06:25.36 | Fisker | :O |
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| 09:19.06 | Miiru | dependencies in the toc files cant have spaces? |
| 09:20.04 | Miiru | ## Dependencies: miirGui,Classic Quest Log does show ingame miirGui,Classic,Quest,Log |
| 10:11.52 | jleclanche | MiRai: correct |
| 10:12.07 | jleclanche | MiRai: just dont have spaces in the deps? |
| 10:45.30 | Miiru | yea i figured that, but if other authors use addon spaces in the addon folder name i cant do much :) |
| 10:47.53 | Semlar | have you actually tried removing the spaces and seeing if it worked anyway |
| 10:48.31 | Miiru | in the foldername? |
| 10:48.33 | nevcairiel | addon names with spaces in them? I cant say I've seen that before tbh |
| 10:48.45 | Semlar | in the dependency list.. |
| 10:48.49 | Miiru | yea |
| 10:48.58 | Miiru | without spaces it doesnt work either |
| 10:49.15 | Semlar | what about quotes |
| 10:50.26 | Miiru | nope |
| 10:50.45 | Miiru | "Classic Quest Log" shows "Classic,Quest,Log" ingame :D |
| 10:50.53 | Semlar | well go tell ro to take the spaces out of his folder name |
| 10:53.20 | Semlar | what about putting backslashes before the spaces |
| 10:53.27 | Semlar | although i doubt anything will work |
| 10:54.03 | Miiru | lets see :D |
| 10:54.26 | Miiru | nope ;) |
| 10:54.49 | Miiru | i messaged the guy and told him |
| 10:54.53 | Semlar | it sounds like it's just treating spaces as a separator so there isn't much you can do |
| 10:55.10 | Miiru | since ive learned html im used to not use spaces in file or fodlernames |
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| 10:55.36 | Semlar | well you can use the escape sequence %20 to represent a space in a url |
| 10:55.42 | Miiru | ya |
| 10:55.43 | Semlar | not that you should |
| 10:55.46 | Miiru | but it looks ugly :D |
| 11:12.16 | karl_w_ws | Shirik, http://i.imgur.com/5mgQg9i.jpg |
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| 11:29.55 | jleclanche | Dagmar: challenge for you |
| 11:31.05 | jleclanche | Dagmar: I here have a sandisk iSSD that doesn't mount. whenever I attempt to mount it, it hangs everything. but I know for a fact the contents are still readable and the partitions are still visible by dmesg |
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| 12:50.41 | Torhal | uses spaces to delimit Semlar's messages. |
| 12:51.33 | Semlar | splits |
| 12:57.11 | rid_ | :o |
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| 13:26.57 | Fisker | :O |
| 13:27.01 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Boopsie. |
| 13:30.46 | Fisker | morning :P |
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| 15:36.58 | jleclanche | https://forum.tewss.telia.se/topic/9307-ssh-lang-textutmatning-hanger-sig-tills-man-trycker-pa-en-tangent/ |
| 15:37.00 | jleclanche | $@!1~ |
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| 16:57.31 | Fisker | hah jleclanche |
| 16:57.40 | Fisker | was that the source of your ssh issues? |
| 17:00.52 | jleclanche | Fisker: yep |
| 17:00.58 | Fisker | hah |
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| 17:06.06 | runge | Is running GetSpellInfo(spellid) the best way to check that a spell exists? |
| 17:06.42 | nevcairiel | probably |
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| 17:07.00 | runge | wonderful. thanks nevcairiel |
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| 17:31.01 | Peppy-Away | I just ate the nastiest 1/4 of a cookie I have ever put into my mouth. I took the rest back for a refund - and I don't distress the student workers around here lightly. The cookies didn't suck this much when I ran a $tarbucks. |
| 17:32.01 | Constie | I didn't know cookie refunds were a thing. |
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| 17:45.51 | VIad | nevcairiel: is it quicker than making a table indexed by spellID's and checking for nil or not? |
| 17:52.43 | Neffi | VIad: it's quicker, but not by that much really |
| 17:53.02 | VIad | not to mention huge static table in memory :p |
| 17:53.05 | Neffi | in this you should favor simplicity. GetSpellInfo(spellid) is really just doing the same thing on C-side |
| 17:53.17 | Neffi | the only reason it's more expensive is that it's a C callout instead of a table index |
| 17:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | Constie, if you'd stuck dirt in your mouth you'd want a refund too. Icky. |
| 17:53.40 | Neffi | VIad: well, not huge. All the player's spellIDs in a hash would clock in probably under 1 kb |
| 17:54.00 | VIad | ah player spells - sorry thought "does that spell exist in the game?" :p |
| 17:54.05 | VIad | dbc scrape all spell ids |
| 17:54.24 | Neffi | oh, you mean all spells? |
| 17:54.44 | Neffi | still, the table would be relatively small (kilobytes at most), and the speed gain is not big. use the API |
| 17:55.20 | Constie | I actually happen to be eating http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kladdkaka, which is apparently also known as mud cake. It's a pretty good experience. |
| 17:55.50 | Neffi | that description sounds amazing, Constie |
| 17:56.40 | Constie | http://i.imgur.com/brKrFAo.jpg |
| 17:56.58 | VIad | carrot cake is better |
| 17:57.18 | Neffi | stop putting your vegetables in my sweets! |
| 17:58.08 | VIad | if you can't appreciate carrot cake, you ought to have your cake privileges withdrawn! |
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| 17:58.33 | Neffi | checks his privilege then eats some cake |
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| 18:13.42 | runge | is there anything like unix-time in the api? (so its simple to compare time) |
| 18:15.00 | VIad | time() ? |
| 18:15.11 | VIad | look at date() too for some fun time related operations |
| 18:16.11 | runge | ah nice. I was confused by "The returned value is a number, whose meaning depends on your system. In POSIX, Windows, and some other systems, this number counts the number of seconds since some given start time (the "epoch"). " |
| 18:16.20 | runge | in http://www.wowwiki.com/API_time but it was explain a bit later |
| 18:16.22 | runge | thanks VIad |
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| 18:17.30 | Shirik | today I got to tell my chief engineer that I know more than him |
| 18:17.36 | Shirik | the results should be interesting |
| 18:18.00 | VIad | eww I wouldn't use wowiki |
| 18:18.07 | VIad | http://www.lua.org/pil/22.1.html |
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| 18:22.25 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:22.29 | Fisker | I don't hate you |
| 18:23.02 | Shirik | I know |
| 18:23.15 | Fisker | good |
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| 18:35.18 | foxlit | what implementation of lightbox are people using these days? |
| 18:35.44 | VIad | like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightbox_%28JavaScript%29 ? |
| 18:36.00 | foxlit | yes, that meaning of lightbox. |
| 18:36.26 | VIad | well |
| 18:36.53 | VIad | the wiki linked one I see many use, slimbox |
| 18:36.55 | VIad | but sooo many mate |
| 18:38.59 | foxlit | letâs narrow it down, then: donât want it to require an external js framework; donât care about anything except displaying specified images; and donât particularly care about supporting non-recent browsers. |
| 18:39.09 | VIad | nice! |
| 18:39.41 | Constie | Are there people who like are forced to be using old browsers because of good reasons, or is it all just grandmas? |
| 18:40.14 | foxlit | regardless, I assume theyâll be fine with my html3 fallback: just navigate to the image. |
| 18:41.16 | schnoggo | Old browsers are baked into Enterprise and some Educational institutions. I had to retrofix IE8 support into two sites last week because original team didnât realize 28% of their audience was still on XP. |
| 18:41.16 | VIad | html1 fallback ftw |
| 18:42.27 | schnoggo | But more importantly, I missed some API changes in WoW 5.04 that I need tgo get fixed for tomorrow! :) |
| 18:43.17 | nevcairiel | you do realize that its 6.0.2 thats going live, and not 5.0 |
| 18:44.08 | VIad | I wouldn't be waiting on the 5.0 changes btw |
| 18:45.21 | schnoggo | I do, nevcairiel. Just missed the 5.4 changes until I saw some errors in my 6.0.2 testing |
| 18:45.56 | VIad | I recommend we stop updating our API to fit blizzards changes |
| 18:46.12 | VIad | instead lets make libraries to provide global scope interface as-if we are running the old versions of wow |
| 18:46.15 | VIad | great plan yes? |
| 18:46.30 | nevcairiel | but how could i ever use any of the new stuff then? |
| 18:46.41 | Constie | I'm going to have to go through the trouble of updating my addon even though I'm not playing WoW right now because a couple of other people started using it. Life is pain. |
| 18:46.44 | schnoggo | âgreatâ is in âbig,â vlad? Yes :) |
| 18:46.48 | VIad | the idea is to make it possible for addons that ran in 2.0 to run on 6.0 |
| 18:46.58 | foxlit | already do that. |
| 18:47.14 | Torhal | VIad: That's a horrible idea. |
| 18:47.16 | VIad | instead of updating our addons we work together to update the library :p |
| 18:47.21 | Torhal | There's stuff that just doesn't exist anymore. |
| 18:47.26 | VIad | I know, was aiming at a really bad solution. |
| 18:47.48 | schnoggo | I havenât played regularly in two years, but itâs nice to play with Lua every six months and keep the other players happy. |
| 18:51.29 | foxlit | removed functions: debughook << wait, how did that happen? |
| 18:52.28 | VIad | hookdebug() |
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| 18:59.14 | VIad | btw one thing |
| 18:59.23 | VIad | when blizz reverts reforges back to 0/4 |
| 18:59.27 | VIad | I hope we get some gold compensation |
| 18:59.41 | VIad | I mean you spent months to do that - and now "poof" gone just like that? |
| 18:59.54 | VIad | what if, like me, you wanted to upgrade to get the little edge when leveling? |
| 19:00.04 | VIad | those stats just gone and no compensation, not nice |
| 19:00.13 | VIad | wait |
| 19:00.15 | VIad | reforge |
| 19:00.20 | VIad | read upgrades :p |
| 19:00.35 | VIad | reforges isn't a biggie - shame though, costs like 100g to reforge the set ;:p |
| 19:01.06 | Constie | I thought existing upgrades would be left in and you just wouldn't be able to apply any new upgrades. |
| 19:01.09 | Torhal | Big deal. Every expansion you're handed heaps of gold and greens to replace your high-end purples. |
| 19:01.14 | VIad | jupp |
| 19:01.15 | Torhal | Constie: No |
| 19:01.18 | VIad | upgrades are kept |
| 19:01.23 | Torhal | Not what I'd heard. |
| 19:01.29 | Torhal | They'd be rolled back. |
| 19:01.30 | VIad | reforges are removed |
| 19:01.34 | VIad | but upgrades are kept |
| 19:02.02 | VIad | " You get to keep upgrades on your gear. And you can still upgrade them, they will cost 50 lesser charms instead of valor." |
| 19:02.03 | Constie | One thing or another is or isn't happening with them, anyway. |
| 19:02.15 | VIad | "What about my reforged gear? |
| 19:02.15 | VIad | It will be reverted to its pre-reforged state. So some of your items may no longer be that great for you." |
| 19:03.10 | Torhal | VIad: See? They're removing it :P |
| 19:03.18 | Torhal | Oh |
| 19:03.24 | Torhal | We were talking about two separate things |
| 19:03.25 | VIad | reforges are the -/+ stat swaps |
| 19:03.25 | Torhal | Bah |
| 19:03.26 | VIad | yes |
| 19:03.30 | VIad | I got confused too :D |
| 19:03.35 | foxlit | just blame viad for the whole thing. |
| 19:03.38 | VIad | reforges and upgrades are two things |
| 19:03.39 | VIad | idd |
| 19:03.40 | VIad | my fault |
| 19:03.47 | Neffi | <foxlit> removed functions: debughook << wait, how did that happen? <- wait what? we had access to sethook()? |
| 19:03.59 | foxlit | exactly my thought. Apparently so. |
| 19:04.22 | Neffi | I've never seen that mentioned on any reference |
| 19:04.36 | Neffi | I just assumed we didn't have it, since they wholesale gutted the debugging functions |
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| 19:46.32 | Simca | was probably protected |
| 19:46.36 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: you don't happen to have a space copy of XCOM: Enemy Unknown, do you? |
| 19:46.49 | Fisker | A space copy? |
| 19:46.50 | jnwhiteh | spare copy, rather |
| 19:46.52 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:47.14 | Fisker | I don't think so |
| 19:47.34 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 19:47.50 | jnwhiteh | Cide was talking about it this weekend |
| 19:47.53 | jnwhiteh | seems interesting |
| 19:47.55 | Fisker | Is there a place I should've gotten it from? |
| 19:47.57 | Fisker | :P |
| 19:48.06 | Fisker | It's ok |
| 19:49.40 | Fisker | Wasn't it in a humble bundle |
| 19:49.46 | Fisker | Not that long ago? |
| 19:54.27 | jnwhiteh | dunno? |
| 19:54.52 | Fisker | Can't see any on my humble bundle list at least so probably gave it away if I got it |
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| 19:58.26 | mikma | jnwhiteh: the oldie and goldie xcom? O_o |
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| 20:46.11 | kd3 | ~wowalert |
| 20:46.11 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 20:46.34 | Fisker | Hey kd3 |
| 20:46.51 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 20:47.51 | Cidan | jnwhiteh i might |
| 20:47.58 | Cidan | one second let me check |
| 20:50.25 | Cidan | jnwhiteh damn, just kidding, sorry, gave mine away already :( |
| 20:52.58 | TC-Work | jnwhiteh: It is a damn good game. |
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| 20:53.32 | Cidan | ^ |
| 20:53.36 | Cidan | amazingly so. |
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| 21:12.46 | Jamash | DUN DUN DUN |
| 21:13.49 | Fisker | I ain't fraid of boo goasts |
| 21:17.44 | TC-Work | Yes you are. |
| 21:19.33 | Fisker | Nope |
| 21:21.27 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: i think i have one |
| 21:22.31 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: nvm, I gave it to amro. go bug him :p |
| 21:23.50 | jleclanche | what i do have is 90% off Deponia and 75% off Chaos on Deponia, they're both excellent titles |
| 21:23.52 | jleclanche | anyone wants them? |
| 21:24.42 | jleclanche | thats deponia for 2⬠its really worth it |
| 21:38.11 | Stanzilla | hey jnwhiteh I was not sure where you want feature requests for your addons so I just used wowi comments, was that ok? |
| 21:38.27 | Stanzilla | could do a curse ticket, too |
| 22:03.23 | Arrowmaster | you know youve modded a game too much when it takes most of the day to update your mods after a new version release and 5+ minutes just to start the game |
| 22:04.46 | Stanzilla | skyrim or minecraft? |
| 22:04.53 | Constie | I think WoW had like 2-minute load times for me when I had a bad computer. |
| 22:18.25 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: kerbal space program |
| 22:19.04 | Arrowmaster | i still havent managed to get into the game yet today |
| 22:32.03 | foxlit | I wonder if it would be terribly wrong to let you do /cast [presence:blood] Unholy Presence; Blood Presence |
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| 22:54.25 | kd3 | wow, that was quick. wildstar's already merging realms? |
| 22:55.48 | Stanzilla | they are trying to sell it in a way that they always planned to do that |
| 22:55.50 | Stanzilla | and it's a good thing |
| 22:55.53 | Stanzilla | etc |
| 23:17.03 | Neffi | man. i wanted to play that game |
| 23:17.21 | Neffi | why isn't it holding players? all reviews were excellent |
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| 23:18.59 | karl_w_w | it's an mmo |
| 23:19.31 | karl_w_w | do you know any mmos that are holding players? :P |
| 23:20.40 | Neffi | I know of one that has a pretty good track record of it |
| 23:21.07 | karl_w_w | everquest? |
| 23:21.23 | Neffi | slaps karl_w_w |
| 23:21.42 | karl_w_w | second life? |
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| 23:24.49 | foxlit | Someone should teach schoolchildren unmath. |
| 23:26.40 | foxlit | which is what you do when you look at an equation and say âmeh, this term is too inconvinient, letâs drop it into an asymptotic; bound this thing with that other thing, which is only midly related, and assume a sufficiently large n such that this ugly thing goes away.â |
| 23:27.24 | foxlit | âand now it looks too simple, so letâs substitute b with this other equation over 4 other variables and repeat this process all over againâ |
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| 23:29.00 | Cidan | oh so functional programming |
| 23:30.40 | ccox | foxlit: sounds a bit like big O notation taught by an idiot, or numerical methods taught by the aformentioned tenured prof. |
| 23:32.57 | ccox | if he fails to go back and define when you can't apply the approximations, then my guess as to his faculty will be confirmed. |
| 23:37.00 | foxlit | ccox: I have a little o(1) here, so youâre somewhat close. |
| 23:37.30 | ccox | algorithms class? |
| 23:37.32 | foxlit | Itâs like a magical gutter that swallows parts of equations I no longer want to look at. |
| 23:38.15 | ccox | yeah, but when you need to apply those equations, don't forget the parts in the gutter, or they'll bit you. |
| 23:38.22 | ccox | s/bit/bite/ |
| 23:39.06 | foxlit | no; I donât think algorithms class gets much use of o(), except as a âoh, we have more things too!â footnote on O/Theta/Omega. |
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| 23:39.45 | Semlar | BIG O IT'S SHOW TIME |
| 23:40.15 | foxlit | the grand conclusion here is that z > a * b * (c - o(1)), where c > 0 is a constant, so that gutter should be mostly inescapable. |
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| 23:47.07 | TC-Work | ~lart Semlar |
| 23:47.07 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Semlar!" and lops off Semlar's head |
| 23:47.46 | ccox | TC-Work: aw, come on, semlar was almost funny with that one. |
| 23:48.01 | TC-Work | 'Almost' being the important bit. |
| 23:48.15 | Semlar | :( |
| 23:48.25 | foxlit | o(funny), then. |
| 23:48.44 | ccox | ok, so it is a bit of a dated anim e reference⦠and it's been beaten into the ground by undergrads ever since the show was released.... |
| 23:49.16 | ccox | but you have to give him some credit - at least it wasn't another screen shot of his addon UI! |
| 23:51.43 | Semlar | map map map |
| 23:52.46 | ccox | given a joke told N times over period T, funny is O( e(-TN) ) |
| 23:52.55 | Semlar | i suppose i should update the toc file on some of my addons |
| 23:53.09 | ccox | I suppose many of us should be doing that. |
| 23:53.17 | foxlit | never! |
| 23:53.29 | Semlar | alright, you've convinced me |
| 23:53.50 | Semlar | i'll go back to watching dr who |
| 23:54.22 | ccox | would you rather update the TOC and resubmit it to various websites, or listen to all the whiners say that your addon doesn't work and isn't being updated because it wasn't available with 15 seconds of the patch release? |
| 23:54.43 | Semlar | well jokes on them because nobody uses my addons |
| 23:54.57 | foxlit | I have confidence theyâll eventually find the âload out of date addonsâ checkbox. |
| 23:55.03 | fewyn | people use addons? |
| 23:55.50 | foxlit | thereâs never a suitable opportunity for http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Xy9B0pUpJ6E/maxresdefault.jpg :/ |
| 23:56.02 | Semlar | they added something to the client where it actually pops up a message letting you know some of your addons are outdated and could potentially BREAK EVERYTHING if you load them |
| 23:56.27 | Semlar | you have to click through a couple messages saying you actually do want to load them |
| 23:57.33 | foxlit | excellent. A few more messages to click through, and people will ignore every dialog ever presented. At which point, itâs time for the mail-all-epics-to-Semlar plan. |
| 23:58.21 | Semlar | that's supposed to be a secret |
| 23:59.30 | Semlar | also, i don't know if all state drivers are doing this or just the [form] macro condition, but it isn't being evaluated on UPDATE_SHAPESHIFT_FORM, it's only doing it every 0.5 seconds |
