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| 01:12.10 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/1.1/#example << thoughts? |
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| 01:22.11 | Simca_ | it is probably worth mentioning that the entries you have listed as 'key' are all md5s of the files in question |
| 01:22.35 | Simca_ | unless that is what you're calling contentHash; i'm not sure |
| 01:24.22 | Simca_ | for the two hashes that identify files: one is the md5 of the file, and the other is a hash of the file's header |
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| 01:26.46 | foxlit | mm, so to me, the mapping process is something like file name -> file name hash -> content hash in root -> file key in encoding -> some location from index files. |
| 01:28.02 | Simca_ | yeah the file key in encoding is the md5 of the file |
| 01:30.08 | foxlit | the other way around would make more sense |
| 01:30.22 | foxlit | content hash is md5 of the file; file key is md5 of something else. |
| 01:30.49 | Simca_ | i'll double check |
| 01:31.14 | foxlit | pulling things from cache; MD5 (root.70d53f8135fe7b0ff9f897cfb159216e) = 44e663838b36946ebc9352b4313a82a1; 44e is whatâs specified in build config for root. |
| 01:31.22 | foxlit | while 70d is what I resolve that to through encoding. |
| 01:31.36 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 01:31.44 | Simca_ | file key might be the md5 of the entire fragment |
| 01:32.07 | foxlit | perhaps of the BLTE-encoded form. |
| 01:32.11 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 01:32.25 | Simca_ | that's what we ended up calling them |
| 01:32.31 | Simca_ | 'blte fragments' |
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| 01:35.24 | foxlit | okay, adjusted those descriptions |
| 01:36.46 | Jamash1 | Destiny is guns without Diablo |
| 02:00.32 | kd3 | ah, damn, took a year and a half, but finally cracked my s4's glass :( |
| 02:00.54 | kd3 | thankfully, it's only noticeable if I'm looking at the screen at an angle |
| 02:02.59 | Semlar | or slice your finger open |
| 02:19.19 | Newton918 | I dropped an Iphone 4 and shattered the front and back glass (same day, two drops)... |
| 02:19.27 | Newton918 | I put packing tape over it and used it for a few weeks |
| 02:20.26 | Trela_ | Dropped my iPhone 4 for the first time in four years yesterday. Did not break! :D Which is good because I prefer getting up to five years out of these phones. |
| 02:20.52 | Newton918 | I had the iphone for like 2 days and work is too cheap to get any accessories, even a soft case.. |
| 02:21.35 | Newton918 | they gave me my blackberry back until we switched carriers and got the 5 |
| 02:21.46 | Newton918 | and an otterbox :) |
| 02:28.27 | Elmoe | is there an efficient way to check if the player has a particular talent? only way I know at the moment is to iterate over all the rows/columns using GetTalentInfo |
| 02:29.29 | Jamash | Iterating over everything is usually the way to find things out in the wow api, unfortunately |
| 02:29.39 | Elmoe | ugh |
| 02:32.39 | Elmoe | guess I'll just hardcode the row/column for this particular talent and use GetTalentInfo then |
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| 02:52.58 | Simca_ | wait didn't they add a function for that |
| 02:53.04 | Simca_ | GetTalentInfoByID or something |
| 02:56.53 | Simca_ | yes they did, Elmoe |
| 02:56.54 | Simca_ | try that. |
| 03:11.42 | Elmoe | Simca_: ooooh awesome thank you missed that |
| 03:35.49 | Primer | heh, some kid that got booted from our RBG group is now spamming the vent server we're on |
| 03:37.23 | Primer | and now battle.net is fucking up, and people think this kid DDoS'd WoW... |
| 03:43.23 | Shirik | I hope nobody considers this spam but... if any developers in here are looking for a job and familiar with Unity, check this out: https://jobs-insitu.icims.com/jobs/2365/software-engineer-3---game-development/job |
| 03:43.38 | Shirik | you could work with the greatest person ever |
| 03:43.41 | Shirik | (hint: it's me) |
| 03:46.45 | Trela_ | Shirik: Unity for what purpose in aviation? :O Sounds interesting. |
| 03:47.03 | Shirik | I can't talk anything about the subject |
| 03:47.06 | Shirik | all you get to know is on that page, sorry |
| 03:47.24 | Trela_ | D'oh!~ |
| 03:47.45 | Constie | That's not true. The page doesn't say you could work with Shirik. |
| 03:47.50 | Trela | While I know Unity anything I would make would have wireframe graphics and solid colors. XD |
| 03:50.30 | Shirik | Constie: It says you could work at Insitu |
| 03:50.32 | Shirik | I work at Insitu |
| 03:50.39 | Shirik | there, now I can tell you it's working with me :P |
| 03:52.57 | Trela | Game development is one of those things I always wanted to do professionally, but then realized the industry is a bit toxic to settling down in one place. |
| 04:04.06 | Primer | Some kid is telling me in vent that he's able to get people's IP addresses without admin |
| 04:04.16 | Primer | Anyone know if this is actually possible? |
| 04:04.30 | Primer | Because I'm calling bullshit on him |
| 04:04.38 | Primer | So far he hasn't been able to tell me what my IP is |
| 04:06.00 | Shirik | not possible without admin |
| 04:06.09 | Shirik | you are connected to the server and it acts as a router |
| 04:06.16 | Shirik | there is no peer-to-peer connectivity |
| 04:06.45 | Shirik | theoretically he doesn't need vent admin if he has access to the actual server itself (netstat) but I assume that's not what you're talking about |
| 04:06.57 | Primer | Yes, I understand that |
| 04:09.29 | Primer | I was wondering if vent allowed for the display of people's IPs without admin |
| 04:09.38 | Primer | I know that mumble, for example, does not |
| 04:09.50 | Shirik | in other news, a friend of mine created a bot that monitors the Wikipedia sandbox, feeds it through something based on markov chains, and then tweets a result: https://twitter.com/WikiSandBot |
| 04:09.56 | Shirik | no it doesn't |
| 04:09.58 | Primer | And it would be stupid if vent did |
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| 04:12.11 | Shirik | I don't know what just changed so I'm going to go with |
| 04:12.14 | Shirik | happy birthday |Jelly|! |
| 04:12.24 | Constie | One more year survived. How does |Jelly| do it? |
| 04:12.58 | Thunder_Child | By avoiding us. |
| 04:16.05 | Shirik | I seriously just tried to find the like button for Thunder_Child's response |
| 04:17.15 | Thunder_Child | Too much time spent on FB Shirik. |
| 04:17.29 | Shirik | I think it's actually groupme's fault |
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| 04:45.16 | phelps | game dev and unity at an aviation company ? FLIGHT SIM! |
| 04:45.57 | Constie | Video games for drones. It's an untapped market! |
| 04:47.00 | phelps | its gonna be DLC for Americas Army 4 |
| 04:49.02 | phelps | it'll come along with the Intense Physical Therapy & PTSD Simulators too |
| 04:49.26 | phelps | 'merica |
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| 10:31.20 | runge | what is a good way to get the first key in a table? Right now I can only think of looping and breaking |
| 10:39.46 | Neffi | runge: what's the first key? |
| 10:39.51 | Neffi | mytable[1]? |
| 10:40.04 | Neffi | also look at next(mytable) |
| 10:40.23 | Neffi | but understand there's no concept of "first" key in a hash table. there is no order. |
| 10:40.36 | runge | well it is a saved profile so its like char { ["bob -brill"]...}.. I want to get the values without knowing bob |
| 10:41.07 | Neffi | you want to get only a single value? next(mytable) |
| 10:41.12 | runge | I am sorry if I do not write good questions. I am having a hard time to wrap my head around lua |
| 10:41.32 | Neffi | but that's only really useful to make sure the table isn't empty. you sure you don't want: for k,v in pairs(mytable) do ... end |
| 10:42.48 | runge | Neffi, well I do not mind doing it that way. I just dont know if it is a good way/right way of doing things in this language |
| 10:42.51 | Semlar | yeah "first element" doesn't really apply to hash tables since their order isn't guaranteed |
| 10:43.12 | runge | oh, another thing I have gotten wrong. thanks for the info Semlar |
| 10:44.42 | Semlar | like if you had a table with {bob = 1, jo = 2} you wouldn't necessarily have bob first when you iterate over it |
| 10:46.18 | runge | somehow I thought they were orderd list. I thought I saw a sort function somewhere. |
| 10:46.38 | nevcairiel | tables are both |
| 10:46.42 | Semlar | a table has to have numerical keys to order it |
| 10:47.02 | Semlar | so if the order matters |
| 10:47.21 | Semlar | you would want to make another table with the keys and their position that you want them in |
| 10:47.22 | Neffi | { bob = 1, jo = 2, [1] = 'a', [2] = 'b', [3] = 'c' } -- the numbered keys and ONLY the numbered keys have an order |
| 10:48.03 | Neffi | bob and jo are just dangling in an odd region of space where direction doesn't make sense |
| 10:48.11 | Neffi | likely near a singularity |
| 10:48.27 | Semlar | they technically are in some order, just not necessarily the one you put them in the table with |
| 10:48.53 | Neffi | I disagree. The order is undefined because by design, they have no order |
| 10:49.21 | Semlar | they have an order because otherwise you couldn't use next! |
| 10:49.24 | Neffi | sure, next()/pairs() will probably return them in a stable order as long as the table remains unchanged, but that's not guaranteed by the spec |
| 10:49.38 | nevcairiel | actually it has to |
| 10:49.49 | nevcairiel | otherwise how would those functions ever work |
| 10:50.27 | Neffi | ah, right. the spec *does* implicitly guarantee that order |
| 10:50.37 | runge | ok. that really cleared things up to me. shit I wonder how many things I have competely wrong in lua |
| 10:50.38 | Neffi | so long as you don't add a new key, which may rehash the table |
| 10:50.46 | nevcairiel | but its not an order you can predict or influence, hence undefined order |
| 10:51.05 | Semlar | i think we're likely just going to end up confusing him more |
| 10:51.51 | Neffi | yeah. runge, what resource are you using to learn Lua? |
| 10:52.03 | Semlar | us, clearly |
| 10:52.50 | Neffi | runge: here's the manual, which is dense, but is the official specification of the language http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 10:53.31 | Neffi | also consider looking at the book Programmign in Lua. the first edition is free here http://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html , but covers Lua 5.0 and is slightly outdated for WoW (which uses 5.1), but still largely relevant and useful to learn |
| 10:54.36 | Semlar | not as dense as we are |
| 10:54.46 | nevcairiel | speak for yourself |
| 10:54.58 | Semlar | oh alright |
| 10:55.09 | runge | I first used a video on pluralsight for lua. it was 2 h long. I thought I groked the basics. then I just used stack overflow and trial and error |
| 10:55.22 | runge | now I think I dont have enough grounding in the language to do anything real |
| 10:55.43 | Neffi | follow the PiL. it'll be a big help |
| 10:56.10 | runge | thanks! I will do that |
| 10:56.37 | Semlar | psh, i don't need none of that book learnin |
| 10:56.49 | nevcairiel | semlar is street smart, not book smart |
| 10:56.55 | Semlar | yeah! |
| 10:57.04 | Semlar | wait what's that supposed to mean |
| 10:57.33 | Stanzilla | still smarter than me, so all good |
| 10:57.48 | Semlar | assimilates stanzilla |
| 10:58.11 | Stanzilla | pls no |
| 10:58.17 | Semlar | too late |
| 10:58.47 | Semlar | i have absorbed your superpowers |
| 10:59.00 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla has super powers? |
| 10:59.09 | Stanzilla | I have |
| 10:59.28 | nevcairiel | well, had by now |
| 11:01.12 | runge | how do you do a /dump but in lua code? |
| 11:01.22 | Semlar | print |
| 11:01.24 | Constie | With gusto. |
| 11:01.38 | Semlar | dump does a few different things |
| 11:01.44 | Semlar | so it depends on what you want |
| 11:01.54 | runge | though print does not show the complete content of a table |
| 11:01.58 | Semlar | or if you mean actually call the same function as dump you could call it directly |
| 11:02.13 | runge | I want to make sure that the data structure is what I expect it to |
| 11:02.20 | runge | yeah calling the same function |
| 11:02.22 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.42 | runge | no I mean doing it in a addon |
| 11:02.53 | runge | so it dumps a table in the chat box |
| 11:03.08 | Semlar | for k,v in pairs(table) do print(k,v) end |
| 11:03.39 | foxlit | recursively, please, Semlar. |
| 11:03.44 | Semlar | do i have to |
| 11:03.50 | Semlar | what's the dump function called |
| 11:03.50 | foxlit | and with the same formatting options as /dump itself. |
| 11:04.06 | Semlar | can you just pull it out of the slash command list |
| 11:04.51 | Semlar | SlashCmdList.DUMP? |
| 11:05.05 | foxlit | local t = {foo=âbarâ} SlashCmdList.DUMP("what?" |
| 11:05.40 | Semlar | probably have to wait for the debugtools addon or whatever it's called to load |
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| 11:07.11 | Semlar | anyway, runge just try calling SlashCmdList.DUMP(table) and see if it does what you want |
| 11:07.54 | foxlit | (it wonât, but weâre lazy here) |
| 11:08.53 | Semlar | oh wait that takes a string |
| 11:08.59 | Semlar | well fine |
| 11:10.00 | Semlar | you probably shouldn't really be calling that directly anyway |
| 11:15.18 | runge | I need to go now, but I really have to thank you all for being so friendly and helpful. cya! |
| 11:15.45 | Semlar | sure |
| 11:17.10 | Semlar | here neffi http://pastebin.com/2mvbvmnv |
| 11:17.59 | Semlar | i'm sure this could be improved but this is just an example |
| 11:18.05 | sb | Semlar: where can we see your addon in action? |
| 11:19.21 | Semlar | you can see my regular nameplates here http://youtu.be/EM8aJafy3CI but i'm working on refactoring the code so they work better |
| 11:22.20 | Semlar | right now they don't really do much |
| 11:26.43 | Constie | Oh, UI and Macro forum poster Bodypull. |
| 11:26.57 | Semlar | :x |
| 11:27.13 | Semlar | are you stalking me |
| 11:27.40 | Constie | I just recognized the name. |
| 11:28.45 | Semlar | the endangered panda hunter.. |
| 11:29.52 | mikma | stalker |
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| 11:39.53 | sb | Semlar: video not available |
| 11:40.18 | Semlar | are you in germany |
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| 11:40.31 | sb | yup |
| 11:41.07 | Semlar | as far as i can tell germany has banned music |
| 11:41.21 | Semlar | let me find another video |
| 11:41.25 | Stanzilla | sb: why u no proxmate? |
| 11:41.53 | sb | mh, no idea |
| 11:44.31 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.47 | Stanzilla | STILL CLICKING |
| 11:44.56 | Semlar | clicks stanzilla |
| 11:45.00 | Stanzilla | = ) |
| 11:45.20 | Semlar | i have nothing to click on in the expansion, they took my abilities away |
| 11:45.23 | Stanzilla | what does the pulsing green cross mean |
| 11:45.33 | Semlar | no healers in range |
| 11:45.37 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 11:45.41 | Semlar | i die a lot |
| 11:46.06 | Semlar | i had to make an indicator to tell me when i wandered out of range of my healers |
| 11:46.38 | Semlar | the giant crosshairs are my focus target |
| 11:50.00 | Semlar | possibly overkill |
| 11:51.31 | Neffi | <Semlar> as far as i can tell germany has banned music <- how do you people live!? |
| 11:51.41 | Neffi | also thanks Semlar ;) |
| 11:51.54 | Semlar | without my terrible background music |
| 11:52.02 | Semlar | i'm surprised it doesn't just mute the video for them |
| 11:53.43 | Neffi | you should use generic public domain or CC music for your raid videos, Semlar |
| 11:53.48 | Neffi | make it free, fair access for everyone |
| 11:54.07 | Semlar | well, i have pandora open while i'm doing the fights usually |
| 11:54.19 | Constie | Drowning Pool - Bodies in all WoW videos. |
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| 11:54.29 | Semlar | LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR |
| 11:54.39 | Neffi | stop trying to cripple the music industry by pirating music and disguising it as a gameplay video |
| 11:55.00 | Constie | Down with the Sickness is also acceptable. |
| 11:55.07 | Semlar | the only way to get mumble to attenuate the music while people are talking is to have it on the same audio cable that mumble is using |
| 11:55.17 | Semlar | so i can't record them separately |
| 11:55.45 | Neffi | no, you're just a filthy pirate |
| 11:56.06 | Semlar | yarr |
| 11:56.37 | Semlar | i should post my nameplate research on wowi |
| 11:56.54 | Semlar | because i think this is a better implementation |
| 11:57.17 | Semlar | even though i haven't really had the opportunity to see how it performs |
| 11:57.54 | Semlar | seems to be more or less the same as doing it on update except without the delay |
| 12:00.00 | Semlar | it should theoretically be a performance boost in some situations since it isn't updating the position unless the plate has actually moved |
| 12:00.39 | Semlar | but you have to attach a frame to the existing nameplate, which is a slight performance loss |
| 12:03.33 | Neffi | post it. maybe somebody else will do the research |
| 12:04.57 | Neffi | strike a pose http://i.imgur.com/ax6ud6j.jpg |
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| 12:59.26 | mikma | semlar: ping |
| 12:59.36 | Semlar | pong |
| 13:03.07 | mikma | semlar: so i got this small code about MessageFrame... http://pastebin.com/nWLYgHre |
| 13:03.19 | mikma | semlar: i wanna change the text in the frame's lines :P |
| 13:03.39 | mikma | semlar: GetRegions() gives 1 as texture and 2-... as fontstring |
| 13:04.23 | Semlar | why is it called a tooltip |
| 13:05.00 | Constie | The term tooltip originally came from older Microsoft applications (like Microsoft Word 95), which had a toolbar where moving the mouse over the buttons (the Toolbar icons) displayed these tooltips, a short description of the function of the tool in the toolbar.[citation needed] |
| 13:05.07 | Constie | Tips about tools. |
| 13:05.50 | Semlar | you can iterate over the font strings of a message frame using GetRegions like that or just add messages |
| 13:06.25 | mikma | semlar: it's called "tooltip" just because ... old code changed to messageframe and haven't changed the name ;D |
| 13:06.44 | mikma | semlar: but how can i access the fontstring with GetRegion()? |
| 13:06.50 | Constie | Oh, well. I feel like I helped anyway. |
| 13:07.08 | Semlar | you need to iterate over all the regions, check that they're a font string and visible |
| 13:07.24 | mikma | how's that done? |
| 13:07.52 | Semlar | region:GetObjectType == "FontString" |
| 13:08.00 | Semlar | er GetObjectType() |
| 13:08.11 | Semlar | alright i'll just write something hang on |
| 13:08.25 | mikma | if it takes too long or is too complex, screw it |
| 13:08.43 | mikma | i'm just inspecting easier ways of printing text on screen that can be changed |
| 13:09.53 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.18 | Semlar | don't convert GetRegions() into a table if you're calling this frequently |
| 13:12.14 | Semlar | you'll want to recursively iterate over the args if the number of regions changes |
| 13:12.18 | Constie | Not sure which one I like more: http://i.imgur.com/V8ciZMY.png |
| 13:12.21 | Constie | I think the top one. |
| 13:13.04 | Semlar | i'm going to assume these are gigantic nameplates |
| 13:13.47 | Constie | Player frame on left, target on right, EventHorizon in the middle, target name above. |
| 13:15.01 | Semlar | is the line under the name and the offset the only difference |
| 13:15.22 | Constie | Yes. |
| 13:15.27 | Semlar | what's the line for |
| 13:16.10 | jleclanche | Dagmar: fucks sake. I need a provider which offers sha-256 wildcard ssl certs with no identity verification. do you know one? |
| 13:16.19 | Constie | It keeps the text separate from the EH frame, I guess? i dunno lol |
| 13:16.51 | Semlar | i think it looks better without it |
| 13:17.15 | Semlar | you already have the border on the top edge of the frame |
| 13:18.23 | Neffi | I think top looks best, but I dont see how you can use such de-emphasized unit frames |
| 13:18.45 | Neffi | having stuff going on in the center is going to draw attention away from them |
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| 13:18.57 | Neffi | -- even more than you already have |
| 13:19.55 | Semlar | they're in the peripheral vision |
| 13:20.13 | Semlar | they aren't very emphasized though |
| 13:20.51 | Neffi | having them in peripheral vision is fine if they have some emphasis |
| 13:20.56 | Constie | Bright red background. Health doesn't need emphasis; loss of health does. |
| 13:21.17 | Neffi | the muted colors, lack of spacing and all will make it practically impossible to keep track of health just off your peripheral vision |
| 13:21.46 | Semlar | might make sense to put them on top of each other and have them horizontal bars |
| 13:21.49 | Neffi | that might work then. still not a fan |
| 13:22.02 | Neffi | imo unit frames are the most important part of a UI and should be the centerpiece of the design |
| 13:22.24 | Semlar | i thought i was the most important part of a ui |
| 13:22.36 | Neffi | 2nd most ;) |
| 13:23.02 | Semlar | i have my health in the dead center of my screen |
| 13:23.14 | Constie | I've been using this layout for years, and I've never had issues with losing health without being aware of it. |
| 13:24.34 | Constie | And I would say that for DPS the important thing is to know whether or not your health is low enough that you need to do something about it, which is a little different. |
| 13:24.59 | Semlar | thankfully i'm a hunter and can't actually do anything about it |
| 13:25.18 | Neffi | in other news, I've discovered that somebody did a total remake of Pokemon Crystal in GBA using FireRed as a base, plus added content. even the spawn tables in each area are the same |
| 13:25.26 | Neffi | I'm so glad I discovered this |
| 13:25.37 | Constie | Well, you can use healthstones and spam /healme. |
| 13:26.05 | Semlar | i prefer to die and blame the healers or go make a sandwich |
| 13:26.18 | Neffi | make me a sandwhich too, Semlar |
| 13:26.25 | Semlar | i'm not making you a sandwich |
| 13:26.27 | Constie | Anyway, I think no bar just because it doesn't look good when the name is much shorter than the bar and I'm not sure how I would dynamically resize the bar in a way that always looks good with a non-monospaced font. |
| 13:26.49 | Neffi | anchor the bar to the fontstring |
| 13:26.57 | Neffi | left and right anchored. it will grow/shrink with it |
| 13:27.12 | Constie | Oh, neat. |
| 13:27.13 | Neffi | I like the bar there. It makes the design not feel so flat |
| 13:27.34 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.15 | Constie | And it was easier than I thought with kgPanels, too: self:SetWidth(self.text:GetWidth() + 10) |
| 13:32.55 | Neffi | the problem with doing it that was is you need to setup a callback to a script handler |
| 13:33.42 | Semlar | it's more efficient to anchor to the string but whatever works |
| 13:34.33 | Constie | #yolo |
| 13:35.49 | Neffi | Semlar: this is the greatest thing ever http://pokemonliquidcrystal.com/ |
| 13:36.28 | Semlar | hacks neffi |
| 13:37.01 | Neffi | Gold/silver/crystal was such a good generation. It deserved a GBA reboot |
| 13:37.20 | Neffi | now I dont have to get a DS or set up a DS emulator to enjoy them again |
| 13:59.48 | mikma | semlar: btw, thanks. the code seems to work so i can change the text in the messageframe. |
| 14:06.07 | mikma | alltho, that might not work without hard modifications |
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| 14:09.49 | Guest53396 | Hi, anybody free to answer a question about Auctioneer? |
| 14:11.46 | Guest53396 | hmm... |
| 14:12.16 | Guest53396 | utterly pointless, ciao |
| 14:13.48 | mikma | ok |
| 14:41.20 | Neffi | lol |
| 14:46.31 | relaxok | in a player/unit frame, why do the status bar textures draw first before the targeting frame/overlay even though the latter is BORDER layer and the status bars are uh.. wahtever they are |
| 14:46.33 | relaxok | and defined later |
| 14:46.36 | relaxok | how do they end up sorting underneath? |
| 14:49.40 | relaxok | (default is ARTWORK right?) |
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| 14:55.28 | Miiru | what a blatant rip-off -.- |
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| 15:01.09 | Neffi | ? |
| 15:03.15 | Miiru | some guy sopied my addon code and just simply put his name on it and then released it in his comilation under his name |
| 15:03.47 | Miiru | the funny thing is that he apperantely forgot to change some file locations so it threw errors refering to my addon :D |
| 15:05.45 | Neffi | you should contact him about it. or contact an administrator, who will be glad to remove his compilation |
| 15:06.00 | Miiru | yea i wrote to cairenn |
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| 16:29.28 | Miiru | is it a know bug that the digsite progressbar does not show up? |
| 16:36.04 | Maldivia | that's often an addon issue |
| 16:37.25 | Miiru | i just read in the beta forums, it seems to be a common issue at the moment |
| 16:37.57 | Miiru | and since ptr is the same build i blame it on that :D |
| 16:57.55 | Alram | ptr is 2 builds ahead |
| 16:57.55 | Alram | :D |
| 16:58.04 | Alram | but yeah probably same issue :D |
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| 17:56.17 | Gethe | kd3: the preferences page on wowpedia is white with white-ish text. using HydraDark |
| 18:06.32 | foxlit | Curse has their Top Men working on it, Gethe. |
| 18:06.41 | foxlit | Maybe next week. |
| 18:07.57 | karl_w_w | http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming/blog/2014/09/23/tressfx-hair-cross-platform-and-v20 |
| 18:08.49 | Gethe | ^ that tech was amazing in tomb raider |
| 18:11.00 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:13.39 | karl_w_w | the only thing tress fx has against it is you have to actually play the game to get a feel for just how damn good it is |
| 18:13.56 | karl_w_w | I have yet to see a video that represents it well |
| 18:14.06 | Gethe | for sure, stills just dont do it justice |
| 18:19.14 | jleclanche | anyone not using gmail for their email has 30 spare seconds? |
| 18:21.20 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 18:21.37 | zenzelezz | my work e-mail is Exchange |
| 18:23.49 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: I just need someone to send me a test email |
| 18:23.58 | jleclanche | i think gmail is caching some dns stuff it shouldnt |
| 18:26.11 | Maldivia | like? |
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| 18:46.48 | karl_w_w | i'll do it jleclanche |
| 18:47.05 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: Im good, zenzelezz helped |
| 18:48.29 | jleclanche | yesss |
| 18:48.40 | jleclanche | got my wildcard sha-2 cert :) |
| 18:51.01 | jleclanche | Maldivia: you're good with nginx right? |
| 18:51.44 | Maldivia | I'm good with it... but not in that way :D |
| 18:53.03 | jleclanche | bah |
| 18:55.03 | jleclanche | Maldivia: I have a site on example.com configured to redirect www.example.com -> https://example.com and all http... to https://example.com. To that site, I've added a new subdomain, "foo.example.com". That one I want to serve a different app on, an app which lives on a different port altogether |
| 18:56.09 | jleclanche | This is the config: http://dpaste.com/2AEF1P4 - and it yells that [::]:443 is already being listened on by the former site |
| 18:58.38 | Maldivia | hmm, weird -- no listen should default to *:80 -- so don't see why it's complaining about [::]:443 being already in use |
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| 18:59.45 | jleclanche | Maldivia: this is the other one http://dpaste.com/017Z3AF |
| 18:59.53 | jleclanche | so it is in use |
| 18:59.58 | jleclanche | but it shouldnt matter |
| 19:03.39 | Maldivia | hmm, can't see what the problem should be |
| 19:27.30 | jleclanche | #nginx is useless |
| 19:27.31 | jleclanche | blah |
| 19:31.02 | Jamash | one has SPDY on and the other doesn't, I wonder if that could cause a problem |
| 19:31.07 | jleclanche | nah |
| 19:31.17 | jleclanche | tried with and without, but shouldnt matter anyway |
| 19:31.26 | Trela | Are you launching two instances of NGINX? o.o |
| 19:31.33 | jleclanche | no |
| 19:31.42 | jleclanche | they're just two included config files |
| 19:31.48 | jleclanche | treated as one |
| 19:35.37 | Jamash | https://www.linode.com/docs/security/ssl/ssl-certificates-with-nginx says you need separate IP addresses |
| 19:36.26 | jleclanche | "f you need to host more than one site with SSL for end users on these older systems, you will need to have separate IP addresses for each site." |
| 19:36.28 | jleclanche | so no |
| 19:37.19 | Jamash | of course, since the HTTP HOST field can't be presented until the SSL handshake finishes |
| 19:37.44 | Jamash | there's no way to tell the server which certificate to present |
| 19:38.07 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 19:38.19 | jleclanche | thats a good point but i think nginx is able to handle that |
| 19:38.36 | nevcairiel | the s olution to that problem is called SNI |
| 19:38.50 | nevcairiel | anything modern should support that |
| 19:39.02 | jleclanche | i dont need multiple certs |
| 19:39.03 | jleclanche | i have a wildcard cert |
| 19:39.14 | nevcairiel | then you dont have a problem |
| 19:39.20 | Jamash | nginx thinks he does |
| 19:39.28 | jleclanche | yes i do have a problem, nginx is complaining about the listen directive |
| 19:39.35 | jleclanche | and it has nothing to do with https because it does complain on http too |
| 19:39.40 | Jamash | what's the exact error message? |
| 19:40.11 | jleclanche | Oct 05 19:47:45 mortar nginx[7418]: 2014/10/05 19:47:45 [emerg] 7418#0: duplicate listen options for [::]:443 in /etc/nginx/sit... |
| 19:40.38 | Jamash | AHA |
| 19:40.47 | Jamash | you only need one listen for a given host:port combination |
| 19:40.48 | nevcairiel | then dont listen twice? |
| 19:40.49 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 19:40.51 | Jamash | just delete the other one |
| 19:41.17 | jleclanche | just delete it? how would it know i want to listen for ssl/spdy on port 443 then? |
| 19:41.23 | Jamash | or rather delete both from the site config and move it to the global config |
| 19:41.38 | jleclanche | ehh, ok ill try |
| 19:41.48 | Jamash | listen: is a server directive, not a site directive |
| 19:41.56 | nevcairiel | yeah listening is a global thing, that shouldnt be in a host specific config |
| 19:42.27 | jleclanche | mmh |
| 19:42.28 | jleclanche | ok |
| 19:42.32 | Jamash | well it would make sense *if* each host had its own address |
| 19:42.37 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 19:42.42 | Jamash | if not, it should be in the global config |
| 19:43.31 | Jamash | on a tangent, I think it's funny that in English, especially tech English, "Global" means "Local", and "Universal" means "Global" |
| 19:43.54 | nevcairiel | it does? |
| 19:44.19 | Jamash | in the sense that a "global" config file on a server does not cover all copies of the software on the Earth, yes |
| 19:44.40 | Jamash | and that USB is an earth-only standard |
| 19:44.42 | nevcairiel | it covers all the software in your eco system |
| 19:44.47 | Jamash | which is to say, local |
| 19:45.14 | nevcairiel | and universal doesnt define the scope, its more an alias for generic that sounds more fancy |
| 19:45.22 | Jamash | (I am aware that "universal" has both the meaning of "everywhere in the universe" and "for all uses") |
| 19:45.39 | Jamash | there are other instances |
| 19:46.01 | nevcairiel | your global thing only depends on how you define the context |
| 19:46.31 | nevcairiel | local would be specific to one instance of the server, while global applies to all instances/hosts/whatever |
| 19:47.39 | Jamash | The Universal bit in EUI-64 |
| 19:48.14 | Jamash | Universal Service Fund (National, not even Global) |
| 19:48.39 | Jamash | I'm just saying words like that have inflated usage |
| 19:49.04 | kd3 | it's universal within the scope, that is, of the entire US |
| 19:49.15 | nevcairiel | its not like the literal meaning of universal is anything we can ever define |
| 19:49.24 | nevcairiel | as such, its barely ever used for that |
| 19:50.03 | nevcairiel | otherwise, its just a matter of scope/domain |
| 19:50.05 | Jamash | "the laws of physics are believed to apply universally" |
| 19:50.18 | nevcairiel | great, you found the one use :p |
| 19:50.49 | nevcairiel | i said barely, not never =) |
| 19:51.00 | Jamash | probably has to do with the fact that up until quite recently the "universe" was the Earth |
| 19:51.05 | Jamash | and the planets |
| 19:51.34 | Jamash | this doesn't explain "global" being used to mean "site" or even "instance" |
| 19:52.15 | Jamash | since "global" has a very specific meaning that has not changed with advances in cosmological theory |
| 19:52.58 | nevcairiel | well, its even in the dictionary now with the limitation of domain |
| 19:53.04 | nevcairiel | : involving the entire world |
| 19:53.06 | nevcairiel | : involving all of something and especially a computer system, file, etc. |
| 19:53.10 | Jamash | global: synonym: universal |
| 19:53.17 | Jamash | I think I've made my point |
| 19:53.31 | nevcairiel | if your point was that language is how we use it, then sure |
| 19:53.45 | Jamash | I think it's funny |
| 19:53.53 | nevcairiel | i think it makes sense |
| 19:54.05 | nevcairiel | why invent weird new words when those we have work just fine! |
| 19:54.08 | Jamash | nothing about language makes sense, but a lot of it is funny |
| 19:54.34 | Jamash | is "local" a weird new word? |
| 19:55.06 | nevcairiel | local doesnt mean "for everything in this scope" though, it means "for this one thing" |
| 19:55.13 | nevcairiel | at least thats my naive interpretation |
| 19:55.31 | Jamash | you have variables local to a program, and variables that only exist within a certain scope, thus global,local could be local,scoped with a small gain in clarity in my opinion |
| 19:56.15 | nevcairiel | if you risk mis-understanding that a global variable may apply to everyone all over the world, then you need to give your PC license back |
| 19:56.26 | Jamash | Perl uses local to mean "local to this stack frame and deeper" which doesn't fit anyone's definition |
| 19:56.36 | nevcairiel | well, its perl |
| 19:56.38 | Jamash | "small gain in clarity" |
| 19:56.56 | Jamash | I know what it means, it just doesn't say what it means, which is a concern to learners and not seasoned veterans |
| 19:57.04 | nevcairiel | i think it says it fine |
| 19:57.09 | nevcairiel | local to wherever you define it |
| 19:57.27 | Dagmar | ...except perl generally uses the word 'scope', not 'stack'. |
| 19:57.38 | Jamash | I'm not arguing that local is unclear, I'm arguing that global is unclear, to be clear |
| 19:57.52 | nevcairiel | but you want to re-define local to be global |
| 19:57.58 | Jamash | this usage of course predates the internet where you actually can have global variables :) |
| 19:57.59 | nevcairiel | if local is clear now, wouldnt it be unclear after? |
| 19:58.06 | Jamash | no |
| 19:58.15 | Jamash | they're both local, but neither one is global |
| 19:58.25 | Jamash | in the vernacular sense |
| 19:58.32 | nevcairiel | they are global for a new definition of global |
| 19:58.36 | Jamash | well, yes |
| 19:58.39 | Jamash | that's my point |
| 19:58.41 | Dagmar | They're global to the scope of the program. |
| 19:58.44 | nevcairiel | breaking news; words can mean two things! |
| 19:58.46 | kd3 | but we're not using vernacular. we're using technical english |
| 19:58.49 | Jamash | is the scope of the program a globe? |
| 19:58.55 | Jamash | in what way are programs spherical? |
| 19:59.08 | nevcairiel | as if language is always ltieral, especially technical english |
| 19:59.16 | nevcairiel | ever see bugs crawling around your desktop much? |
| 19:59.28 | Dagmar | No, but if you'd like to try to deal with some thirty-five letter technical names, I'm sure there's some lexicographers who would be more than happy to increase your headaches. |
| 19:59.31 | Jamash | listen, if I point out that it's funny that Y is X then saying "well of course Y is X" is not a meaningful response |
| 19:59.42 | Jamash | yes, it is |
| 19:59.53 | nevcairiel | you are not arguing its funny, you are arguing "Z would be better" now :P |
| 19:59.54 | Jamash | that's why I pointed it out |
| 20:00.03 | Jamash | fair point |
| 20:00.21 | Jamash | I see bugs all the time, I'm at home |
| 20:00.33 | kd3 | that's kinda alarming |
| 20:00.49 | Jamash | and our screen door doesn't seal properly |
| 20:01.18 | Jamash | there's a dog flap inserted in the sliding door and blah blah |
| 20:02.03 | Jamash | now it's cold so the doors are all shut and the bugs have gone |
| 20:02.18 | Jamash | so "all the time" should be "in the hot parts of summer" |
| 20:02.19 | Dagmar | Does the dog own the flap? Is it made of dog? |
| 20:02.22 | Jamash | yes |
| 20:02.23 | Jamash | and no |
| 20:02.25 | jleclanche | Jamash: so with the listen directive dropped, it works.. but the subdomain does not redirect to ownCloud |
| 20:02.42 | jleclanche | s/redirect to/serve/ |
| 20:02.56 | Jamash | jleclanche: I'm sorry, your support ticket has expired, please paypal $25 to [deleted] for additional support |
| 20:02.57 | jleclanche | instead it serves the generic landing page |
| 20:03.17 | Jamash | by which I mean it's lunchtime, toodleoo |
| 20:03.34 | Jamash | also I've never used nginx, I found that information through the google |
| 20:04.41 | jleclanche | this is really annoying |
| 20:05.00 | nevcairiel | i can tell you how to do it with apache :p |
| 20:06.46 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: how? |
| 20:07.22 | nevcairiel | its really no magic there, just setup vhosts and it works |
| 20:07.36 | jleclanche | well in nginx you have server blocks, those are vhosts essentially |
| 20:07.47 | jleclanche | and the server_name/listen tuple binds it |
| 20:17.31 | Jamash | nevcairiel: don't lie, nothing ever "just works" |
| 20:18.35 | Jamash | except Ethernet |
| 20:20.46 | Dagmar | ...and malicious access points. |
| 20:22.30 | Jamash | I bet you could collect a lot of usernames and passwords with a rogue IP set up as "xfinitywifi" |
| 20:22.40 | Jamash | s/IP/AP/ |
| 20:22.51 | Dagmar | Yes you could. |
| 20:22.53 | jleclanche | ethernet doesnt fucking just work when you have a shitty network stack |
| 20:22.55 | jleclanche | god damn it linux |
| 20:23.08 | Jamash | I mean the hardware layer |
| 20:23.36 | Jamash | drivers are anyone's guess |
| 20:24.06 | jleclanche | nah not drivers |
| 20:24.09 | jleclanche | drivers are fine |
| 20:24.13 | jleclanche | fucking dhcpcd |
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| 20:42.58 | Jamash | well dhcp isn't part of the network stack per se |
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| 20:44.10 | Jamash | but it does suck pretty bad sometimes |
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| 21:12.21 | Primer | calls DFP on jleclanche |
| 21:12.41 | Primer | http://www.ceregatti.org/dfp |
| 21:13.49 | Primer | s/programmer/sys admin/ in this case |
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| 21:41.47 | jleclanche | Primer: i dont hate dhcpcd |
| 21:42.00 | jleclanche | Primer: I hate the mess in the linux network stack |
| 21:43.02 | kullervo | the only thing that's easier to do with a window server, I hear |
| 21:43.10 | jleclanche | well, the desktop network stack... |
| 21:43.15 | Primer | DFP still applies to "linux network stack" claim |
| 21:43.22 | Primer | What specifically is wrong with it? |
| 21:44.06 | jleclanche | Primer: seriously? its up there with the sound stack in the category of hot messes |
| 21:44.41 | jleclanche | its fine on servers but on desktop, you have the choice between network manager which is good but has shitty GUIs, and a plethora of other stacks none of which have decent GUIs |
| 21:45.51 | Primer | jleclanche: naw, I agree that there's no good front end for shit like connecting wifi on a Linux desktop, and that pulseaudio is total shit |
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| 21:46.12 | Primer | but technically a "network stack" is the kernel-level shit IMO |
| 21:46.24 | jleclanche | nah its why i specified the desktop stack |
| 21:46.32 | jleclanche | kernel network is fine |
| 21:56.31 | Thunder_Child | It's interesting you are expecting a decent GUI on linux. Desktop or not, I still expect to do almost eveything cli. |
| 21:58.28 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: the state of the network CLIs is even worse |
| 21:58.33 | jleclanche | wifi-menu is good, that is it |
| 21:59.36 | Thunder_Child | hmm, tbh Almost all of my CLI network time was spent on Cisco devices, and they were really nice to work with. |
| 21:59.52 | Thunder_Child | I'm not sure how much different they are than base 'nix. |
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| 22:13.37 | Jamash | I like, uh, whassit, |
| 22:13.48 | Jamash | wicd |
| 22:14.16 | Jamash | I think it has a gui, I use the curses interface on my server |
| 22:15.30 | Jamash | it has curses, cli, gtk, kde and python interfaces |
| 22:20.03 | Jamash | Primer, jleclanche: ^ |
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