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| 00:07.47 | Neffi | <Semlar> neffi there's been an outbreak of ebola we're all doomed <- again? |
| 00:07.55 | Neffi | wait... shit. |
| 00:08.03 | Neffi | i forgot to lock the cage in my lair. sorry |
| 00:08.15 | Semlar | why do you have a lair neffi |
| 00:08.25 | Semlar | are you a supervillain |
| 00:09.08 | Neffi | sort of |
| 00:09.38 | Neffi | btw i wrote a song for you Semlar http://youtu.be/2_ryNJVreiY |
| 00:10.05 | Semlar | is joco all you listen to neffi |
| 00:10.16 | Neffi | i listen to him quite a lot |
| 00:10.18 | Neffi | his music' |
| 00:10.25 | Neffi | 's so good. also why is ' next to enter |
| 00:10.38 | Semlar | he has a much better version of this song |
| 00:10.49 | Neffi | i have the album version <_< |
| 00:10.52 | Neffi | link to other version? |
| 00:11.04 | Semlar | i think it was in a demo or something |
| 00:11.28 | Semlar | i have no idea where my joco mp3s are |
| 00:13.00 | Semlar | i mean he had them available for download at one point |
| 00:13.24 | Neffi | all his songs are CC |
| 00:13.26 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.43 | Semlar | i found it, it's under "other experiments" |
| 00:15.00 | Torhal | performs "other experiments" on Semlar's car. |
| 00:15.10 | Neffi | yeah I'm still missing some of his material |
| 00:15.28 | Neffi | Semlar: found the reason for the leak ^ |
| 00:15.29 | Semlar | http://www.jonathancoulton.com/wiki/Other_Experiments all of the demos from this |
| 00:15.58 | Neffi | this is the same song, only acoustic |
| 00:16.08 | Semlar | yeah, they're all better than the produced versions |
| 00:16.22 | Semlar | at least in my opinion |
| 00:16.36 | Neffi | his live material is pretty good. often funny |
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| 00:17.43 | Semlar | i have the mp3s and i have no idea where i got them |
| 00:19.22 | Semlar | i'm like 90% sure there were links to all of the songs on his website just for download while he was doing the thing a week stuff |
| 00:20.13 | Neffi | probably |
| 00:20.27 | Neffi | he's generally cool about people enjoying his music regardless of whether they pay |
| 00:38.52 | Jamash | I'm going to guess that trying to use the built-in Lua character classes will fail miserably if I try it on unicode text |
| 00:41.22 | Neffi | i think that's a bit dramatic |
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| 00:49.41 | Jamash | I don't |
| 00:51.25 | Neffi | are you using Lua outside WoW? look into LPEG if you need a capable string library |
| 00:51.50 | Neffi | Lua's string.* is quite powerful for being a low-footprint library intended for embedded use |
| 00:53.18 | Jamash | I would never use Lua for anything outside wow, no |
| 00:53.33 | Neffi | that's a shame. it's quite a nice language |
| 00:54.07 | Jamash | de gustibus non est disputandum |
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| 01:30.31 | Simca_ | Lua is nice, but I just don't see a use for it outside game interfaces really. If you're writing an app where performance could be an issue, C/C++ is better. If you're writing a normal desktop app, I'd much prefer something like C# with a nice GUI. I guess it is useful for situations where you want to write a script for moderately simple tasks that have to do with the file system. (but don't need constant access to other command line |
| 01:30.31 | Simca_ | programs, in which case you'd rather want Batch or Bash, probably) |
| 01:31.01 | Simca_ | I wonder how it performs compared to batch/bash |
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| 01:40.57 | Neffi | it's really not bad for web dev |
| 02:01.41 | Arrowmaster | lua isnt that great of a replacement for shell scripts, for that something like perl is the better choice |
| 02:02.20 | Arrowmaster | lua has its own special niche though but its usage really depends on the situation |
| 02:08.36 | Arrowmaster | no wonder my video playback started stuttering, steam is downloading an update and seems to always make everything stutter when it does |
| 02:09.34 | TC-Work | I prefer Python over perl tbh. |
| 02:09.44 | TC-Work | Though mostly for syntax. |
| 02:15.39 | Arrowmaster | perl has the speed advantage for processing text though |
| 02:22.19 | TC-Work | "AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute '__dict__'" *sigh* |
| 02:23.32 | Shirik | Lua is great for embedded systems |
| 02:23.44 | Shirik | I wish more people would use it |
| 02:52.19 | kd3 | maybe I should stop picking up swag at these events. I've got a shelf full of tumblers it seems like: https://twitter.com/Kaydeethree/status/517868962118664194 |
| 02:52.34 | kd3 | and looking at that pic, gah, I should clean my monitor |
| 02:52.44 | TC-Work | and desk |
| 02:53.53 | TC-Work | Also, I'm not sure I would have called that a tumbler. Isn't that more of a Thermos or somesuch? |
| 02:54.38 | kd3 | https://www.google.com/search?q=coffee+tumbler&tbm=isch |
| 02:57.12 | karl_w_w | https://www.google.com/search?q=travel+mug&tbm=isch |
| 02:57.30 | karl_w_w | tumblers are made of glass |
| 02:57.43 | karl_w_w | and I refuse to believe otherwise :P |
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| 03:01.39 | kd3 | eh, I worked at starbucks for too long, they'll probably always be tumblers to me |
| 03:10.57 | Simca_ | anyone here have a level 3 Lumber Mill in WoD Beta? |
| 03:12.19 | hizuro | not really :) i'm too slow in leveling... garrison camping the most time... |
| 03:13.48 | hizuro | do you search the blueprints? |
| 03:14.15 | nebula169 | what are the reqs for lv3? |
| 03:14.29 | kd3 | gather a whole bunch of leather |
| 03:14.31 | kd3 | s/leather/lumber/ |
| 03:14.32 | hizuro | Achievements > Garrison > Buildings > ... |
| 03:14.35 | nebula169 | was going to say, lol |
| 03:14.48 | Simca_ | place 75 work orders at the lumber mill |
| 03:15.04 | kd3 | which requires gathering a whole bunch of lumber |
| 03:15.18 | Simca_ | 750 yeah |
| 03:16.53 | hizuro | and a lot of time ^^ 75 * 4h = 300 hours for work orders... |
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| 03:45.51 | Arrowmaster | kd3: finally watched eden of the east |
| 03:46.06 | kd3 | it was ok |
| 03:46.15 | Arrowmaster | i enjoyed it |
| 03:46.18 | kd3 | my memory of it is tainted by the movies |
| 03:46.26 | Arrowmaster | those are still downloading |
| 03:46.30 | Arrowmaster | should i skip them? |
| 03:46.43 | kd3 | I'd recommend it |
| 03:47.29 | Arrowmaster | i might take that recommendation but its rather difficult for me to start a series and not end it |
| 03:47.44 | kd3 | the tv's got a good enough stopping point |
| 03:47.49 | kd3 | it's like the matrix, they only made one |
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| 03:51.55 | Mr_Rabies | i skipped the movies, and from what i understand that's all i need |
| 03:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | i wish ther was more story but the story in the movies just sounds STUPID |
| 03:54.55 | Mr_Rabies | i'm so hype for g-reco |
| 03:55.27 | Arrowmaster | shit i retagged some mp3 files and uploaded them to my phone and now they lost the album ordering |
| 03:55.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's been like a decade since the last tomino show |
| 03:57.37 | Mr_Rabies | also learned at AWA that MIQ is doing the Jinraiger ED, whenever that happens |
| 04:06.51 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/login_camfixed_4.png |
| 04:07.03 | relaxok | not bad but i still cant figure out why the button highlights are too small |
| 04:08.26 | ccox | is there a dev guild on beta realm 1 horde side? |
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| 04:19.39 | Arrowmaster | nintendo eshop seems overloaded |
| 04:19.54 | kd3 | world + dog getting smash brothers? |
| 04:20.01 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 04:20.18 | Arrowmaster | i was going to try getting it started before heading to bed |
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| 04:29.05 | Gethe | relaxok: That's shaping up pretty well. |
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| 04:56.31 | Shirik | anyone in here play D&D? |
| 04:56.37 | Shirik | there's got to be someone that does |
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| 05:00.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Yes. |
| 05:00.35 | Thunder_Child | And Arrowmaster |
| 05:00.46 | Shirik | answer a question for me |
| 05:00.54 | Thunder_Child | If I can. |
| 05:01.15 | Shirik | I am having trouble understanding where dual wielding comes into play. I see that the weapon I'm using is light, but I didn't notice anything in my race or class talking about dual wielding. |
| 05:01.22 | Shirik | Is there a dual wielding proficiency that I need or is it just automatic? |
| 05:01.47 | Thunder_Child | It's automatic, but it comes with massive penalties. There are feats that reduce said penalties. |
| 05:02.13 | Shirik | ok I was trying to find the part that actually said "you can dual wield" ok |
| 05:02.18 | Shirik | thanks |
| 05:02.32 | Thunder_Child | base penalties for a 1h + 1h is -8/-10 |
| 05:02.50 | Thunder_Child | 1h + light is -6/-6 iirc |
| 05:04.03 | Shirik | I am in the process of making my first character |
| 05:05.43 | Thunder_Child | 3E/3.xE/4E/5E/Pathfinder? |
| 05:06.07 | Shirik | 5e |
| 05:06.45 | Thunder_Child | In that case take what I said wirth a grain of salt. |
| 05:06.51 | Shirik | sure |
| 05:06.59 | Thunder_Child | I havent played 5E yet although I do have the book |
| 05:07.07 | Thunder_Child | ...on loan to a friend. |
| 05:07.15 | Shirik | at least the first part ("it's automatic") fits with what I was suspecting, based on what I could discern from the book |
| 05:07.18 | Thunder_Child | with* |
| 05:07.34 | Shirik | I haven't even bothered to figure out how combat actually works yet |
| 05:12.09 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Chapter 9 has two weapon fighting rules. Page 74...seems rather threadbare though. |
| 05:13.42 | Shirik | ok I haven't gotten to chapter 9 yet |
| 05:13.47 | Shirik | which explains my confusion |
| 05:16.16 | Shirik | thanks |
| 05:16.35 | Thunder_Child | Sure. |
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| 05:55.12 | Gethe | anyone on beta want to do some wargames? need to test arena frames |
| 06:26.22 | Fisker | heyy Shirik |
| 06:26.40 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:28.20 | Fisker | oh nice |
| 06:28.41 | Fisker | so apparently they want to sue google for apple implementing poor security |
| 06:28.46 | Fisker | makes sense |
| 06:31.24 | Shirik | sounds like america |
| 06:31.38 | Fisker | This is your fault though |
| 06:32.31 | Shirik | :< |
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| 07:31.18 | Kalroth | dont listen to him, you're not to blame, Shirik |
| 07:32.26 | Fisker | Shirik is to blame for everything ;( |
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| 08:02.01 | Fisker | now even Cairenn is gone Kalroth |
| 08:02.10 | Fisker | And you're still going to say it isn't Shirik's fault? |
| 08:13.36 | Kalroth | gasp |
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| 08:13.50 | Kalroth | ^^;; |
| 08:51.37 | plaw | honk |
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| 08:53.41 | plaw | Fisker: |
| 08:53.53 | Fisker | ? |
| 08:54.52 | plaw | ! |
| 08:55.32 | Fisker | ok |
| 08:55.47 | plaw | how's you? |
| 08:57.07 | Fisker | ok |
| 08:58.32 | VIad | ... oh my gawd |
| 08:58.48 | VIad | imagine if the new sort button had an API to allow you to specify your own sorting algorithm?! |
| 08:58.51 | VIad | it would be insane |
| 08:58.59 | VIad | shame it probably hasn't :P |
| 09:00.06 | nevcairiel | sorting isnt really hard |
| 09:00.14 | nevcairiel | its been done before, numerous times! |
| 09:00.55 | Semlar | you can sort unit frames out of combat if that's what you're talking about |
| 09:01.42 | VIad | ofc but it would be nice to not have to code the UI since it's there. oh well could probably override the button then :p |
| 09:01.52 | VIad | also did they add a sort button to guild bank tabs? |
| 09:02.02 | VIad | have no guild with tabs to look at |
| 09:02.37 | Semlar | oh you're talking about bag sorting |
| 09:02.45 | Semlar | some context would be nice |
| 09:03.52 | Semlar | i would definitely not want an addon attempting to sort my guild's tabs |
| 09:04.33 | VIad | bags are responsive |
| 09:04.35 | VIad | guild tabs are not |
| 09:04.48 | VIad | I'd like a one button sort to put my consumables one place, quest related other, e.g. |
| 09:05.09 | VIad | hence why the inject a compare function to these sorting functions, for bank, bags, guild bank, void, e.g. |
| 09:05.25 | VIad | also if guild bank had sort function now then it means they fixed the lag issue |
| 09:05.28 | Semlar | people put things in the guild bank in logical groups and it takes a long time to re-sort if someone accidentally auto-sorts a tab |
| 09:05.35 | VIad | nah |
| 09:05.41 | VIad | make tab 1 deposit tab |
| 09:05.48 | VIad | no deposit in other tabs |
| 09:05.50 | VIad | fixed |
| 09:06.00 | nevcairiel | how does that fix anything |
| 09:06.04 | VIad | lso sorting a tab would be preferable to actually sort the tab though |
| 09:06.14 | VIad | why should sorting make it unorganized? :P |
| 09:06.17 | VIad | goes against the whole idea |
| 09:06.31 | nevcairiel | because manual organizing is usually smarter than an addon would know |
| 09:06.38 | VIad | not if you specify rules |
| 09:06.41 | Semlar | it would be extremely difficult to write a sorting algorithm that sorted our bank in the way that it's sorted by us |
| 09:06.49 | nevcairiel | teaching an addon complex rules is harder than just moving 5 items around |
| 09:07.01 | VIad | genie already does it <3 |
| 09:07.40 | VIad | I love the "it shouldn't be implemented because it takes too much to optimize to work like I want it to work for me" |
| 09:07.52 | VIad | ought to uninstall pitbull with that logic, took hours to set it up perfect :p |
| 09:07.56 | nevcairiel | it shouldnt be implemented because its a serious waste of developers time |
| 09:08.10 | VIad | they already added the sort function though :p |
| 09:08.10 | nevcairiel | use an addon if you want that feature :p |
| 09:08.24 | VIad | all that would be nice now was to override their comparison api |
| 09:08.35 | VIad | and my question was if they simply had extended this sorting feature to the guild bank :p |
| 09:09.05 | nevcairiel | you cannot move stuff from one tab to another without going through your bags, correct? |
| 09:09.11 | Semlar | you can |
| 09:09.15 | Semlar | people just don't realize that you can |
| 09:09.29 | Semlar | you can move an item directly from one tab to another |
| 09:09.44 | VIad | can't move bulk ofc, then your bags get involved |
| 09:09.56 | VIad | (unless addon does the sorting) |
| 09:10.22 | nevcairiel | addons cant do anything the player couldnt do otherwise |
| 09:10.26 | Semlar | just pick up the item, click on another tab and drop it |
| 09:11.01 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it counts against your withdrawals though |
| 09:11.25 | Semlar | if you have limits |
| 09:11.30 | nevcairiel | since withdrawls are tab specific, that makes sense |
| 09:11.53 | VIad | SortBankBags() SortReagentBankBags() |
| 09:11.54 | Semlar | yeah because otherwise you could move it to a tab that had more withdraws |
| 09:11.55 | VIad | seems C-sided |
| 09:12.57 | VIad | SortBags() |
| 09:13.17 | Semlar | frankly it would make more sense to just create a separate display for items in the guild bank rather than sort them in place |
| 09:13.37 | VIad | nope, no gbank sorting |
| 09:13.38 | Semlar | it would also be much, much faster to resort them |
| 09:14.25 | VIad | tbh gbank should just be a table that expands with more slots as you buy space and you split it up by having the UI as illusion of several bags |
| 09:14.33 | nevcairiel | and you dont bother your entire guild with your idea of sorted |
| 09:14.46 | VIad | screw my guild |
| 09:14.51 | VIad | I just need it for my bank character |
| 09:14.56 | VIad | he has his own guild :P |
| 09:14.58 | VIad | for all the non BOP iterms |
| 09:15.12 | VIad | I just wanna sort my shit easily after dumping it in the first tab |
| 09:15.19 | nevcairiel | just use an addon then |
| 09:15.33 | Semlar | there are existing addons that will sort your bag and bank |
| 09:15.45 | VIad | gbank is laggy to sort |
| 09:15.47 | VIad | due to its nature |
| 09:15.51 | VIad | reeeaaallly slow |
| 09:15.51 | Semlar | i know this because someone sorted the god damn guild bank once |
| 09:15.59 | Semlar | it was a nightmare to fix |
| 09:16.11 | VIad | was hoping if they added sort button to gbank that this would be a thing of the past - sadly it's still here :D |
| 09:16.12 | nevcairiel | thats a server thing, since the gbank immediately syncs for other chars to see |
| 09:16.16 | nevcairiel | no C api could fix that |
| 09:17.12 | VIad | it's an implementation thing yes |
| 09:17.15 | Semlar | yeah the gbank is hella slow because it has lock the item to make sure other people aren't interacting with it and stuff |
| 09:18.24 | Semlar | anyway, i think you'd be better off sorting the *display* of the items rather than sorting their real positions in the bank |
| 09:18.29 | VIad | I guess it would be nice if it didn't do these routines if the rank rules deny anyone from using the tabs anyone - except GM |
| 09:19.01 | nevcairiel | niche case optimizations dont really make it into the game that often :p |
| 09:19.22 | VIad | I guess bank characters with guilds aren't so widespread |
| 09:19.43 | nevcairiel | just do what semlar suggests, screw actual sort order, just make an addon show them to you sorted |
| 09:19.45 | Semlar | maybe you should organize the items while you're putting them in |
| 09:19.58 | VIad | jupp |
| 09:20.06 | Semlar | unless you want to change how they're sorted on the fly |
| 09:20.46 | VIad | oh btw transmog related, anyone noticed any improvements on this area? like detecting transmog data, like what the real item is, or what the item transmog real item is, e.g.? |
| 09:20.54 | Semlar | the only thing i like about the "sorting" that the bags can do now is that you can define what goes into what bags and hit the button and have it distribute items |
| 09:22.11 | Semlar | the last time i used the transmog interface on the beta it was super broken |
| 09:22.36 | VIad | would be nice to see the real item that is displayed on an item :p transmogged |
| 09:22.43 | Semlar | but i don't think they made any changes |
| 09:22.44 | VIad | same goes to when you link an item with transmog, it ignores it |
| 09:23.00 | VIad | yeah probably not |
| 09:23.26 | Semlar | what do you want it to do? |
| 09:24.47 | Semlar | show what an item is transmogged into when it's linked? |
| 09:25.14 | VIad | you expect linking an item to appear as-it-is |
| 09:25.18 | VIad | but transmogged don't |
| 09:26.28 | Semlar | ehh |
| 09:26.49 | VIad | transmog your item |
| 09:26.52 | VIad | link it to a friend |
| 09:26.59 | VIad | or to yourself :p |
| 09:27.07 | VIad | transmog is not there |
| 09:27.10 | Semlar | i don't really think it should display the transmogged item when you click to preview it |
| 09:27.14 | nevcairiel | it kinda makes sense for transmog to not show up that way, otherwise you couldnt link the normal item |
| 09:27.26 | Semlar | maybe with a separate modifier or something |
| 09:27.45 | nevcairiel | you can always link the item you transmogged into if you want to show off your style |
| 09:27.46 | VIad | I just find it logical for the item to be linked as it is |
| 09:28.14 | Semlar | does it even send the item that it's transmogged into in the link? |
| 09:28.19 | VIad | nope |
| 09:28.23 | VIad | C-side |
| 09:28.35 | VIad | only shows on the tooltip as long you inspect and use the inspect API to populate the slots |
| 09:29.04 | VIad | once the player you inspect goes out of range, even with addons to "keep" the frame visible, they fail at keeping transmog data since they rely on the hyperlink, but it doesn't include transmog data ;p |
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| 09:29.37 | Semlar | it should maybe let you link the item that it's transmogged into when you use a different modifier than shift+click to link it |
| 09:30.09 | VIad | should just bake all the stuff about any item in the hyperlink |
| 09:30.32 | Semlar | no, because i don't expect to see a different item model when i preview an item that's linked |
| 09:31.13 | VIad | here you go mixing in what the user sees and what the data model carries |
| 09:31.20 | VIad | two different things :p |
| 09:31.39 | VIad | even if the data is there it doesn't mean we must change how the UI works for the user |
| 09:31.43 | Semlar | if i see [thundfury] in the chat, i expect thunderfury on the model |
| 09:31.53 | VIad | it just opens up more possibilities for addons and other interface elements to gather data easier |
| 09:32.18 | VIad | that's what you'd get |
| 09:32.25 | VIad | reference to the "Made by" lines on items |
| 09:32.28 | nevcairiel | they are not in the business of making life easier |
| 09:32.38 | VIad | they keep some internal list of those and attach a special hash on the link |
| 09:32.46 | VIad | why not expand that model to include more data? ;p |
| 09:32.59 | nevcairiel | because the hyperlink is already super bloated! |
| 09:33.00 | VIad | many possibilities without breaking the current hyperlink system |
| 09:33.55 | VIad | no problem was ever solved with "it's too much work" :p |
| 09:34.02 | VIad | I guess they plan to fix these things in "Titan" |
| 09:34.03 | VIad | oh wait... |
| 09:34.07 | nevcairiel | but there is no problem |
| 09:34.14 | nevcairiel | you just want it to be different |
| 09:34.31 | VIad | I mean, sure, even first version of html works these days. |
| 09:34.35 | VIad | Doesn't mean we should use it. :p |
| 09:35.02 | VIad | hyperlinks are as old as the game |
| 09:35.23 | Semlar | this seems like a non-issue to me |
| 09:35.30 | nevcairiel | its not a persistent item property afterall, anything in the item link will remain the same, but if you trade an item, the transmog vanishes, because its not part of the actual item |
| 09:35.35 | zenzio | VIad is no stranger to non-issues |
| 09:35.58 | VIad | I'm sorry but when there is room for improvement I hate slackers. :P |
| 09:36.11 | nevcairiel | have you ever worked in any commercial capacity? |
| 09:36.11 | Semlar | is this really an improvement though |
| 09:36.14 | nevcairiel | doesnt sound like it : P |
| 09:36.30 | nevcairiel | if you work for perfect, you dont get your product out the door, ever |
| 09:36.31 | zenzio | I bet VIad is a systemd kind of guy |
| 09:37.01 | VIad | I know, commercial, never time to fix stuff, just ship working but ugly/broken code, as long as it works, e.g. |
| 09:37.06 | VIad | doesn't mean I am happy with it :p |
| 09:37.10 | VIad | even if I accept it |
| 09:37.15 | Semlar | nevcairiel's right, we should all aim lower |
| 09:38.12 | nevcairiel | what you aim for is everyones own decision, but it generally always means that something is left behind |
| 09:38.30 | VIad | solid planning is key |
| 09:38.47 | VIad | I notice it myself when lack of planning you easily forget things, delays, e.g. |
| 09:38.54 | nevcairiel | because at the end of the day, you don't care about every conceivable weird use-case, you care about the 99% use-cases |
| 09:39.04 | VIad | including keeping a schedule for future changes, with priorities, e.g. |
| 09:39.24 | Semlar | even then, it's not like this is a feature that a ton of people are requesting |
| 09:39.34 | Semlar | and blizzard doesn't even have time to implement those |
| 09:39.38 | VIad | of course |
| 09:39.49 | VIad | doesn't mean one can't talk about it though :p |
| 09:40.12 | foxlit | protip: /ignore and save *hours* of your life. |
| 09:40.23 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 09:40.23 | nevcairiel | sounds like a plan |
| 09:41.08 | Fisker | :O |
| 09:41.33 | VIad | btw, spent a saturday to recode work I did whole week because I found a much smarter way to code it :p |
| 09:41.49 | VIad | I guess most would just let it be as is. |
| 09:42.12 | zenzio | depends entirely |
| 09:42.24 | nevcairiel | if its work, i certainly wouldnt do it on a saturday |
| 09:42.36 | nevcairiel | if its a private project, i would |
| 09:42.44 | zenzio | when the customer is only willing to pay for 1-2 hours of work, and improving it would require rewriting code that would otherwise be untouched... |
| 09:43.14 | VIad | yeah but it was I who wrote it in the first place - just feels wrong to let it be as it was, when I know I can do better :( |
| 09:43.15 | nevcairiel | and yeah, if its a customer project i certainly wouldn't work for free just to improve some code |
| 09:43.18 | Semlar | in my experience, never refactor anything unless you just really want to |
| 09:43.37 | zenzio | yup |
| 09:43.52 | zenzio | and be very careful about it if you're not intimately familiar with the whole system |
| 09:44.05 | Semlar | do no harm! |
| 09:44.42 | VIad | hehe, full bags, doing gold run, found http://www.wowhead.com/item=28370 |
| 09:44.57 | VIad | there is virtually nothing worth less than 1g worth throwing ;D |
| 09:45.03 | VIad | guess someone forgot to adjust the sell price |
| 09:45.31 | VIad | got some mail wrists, gray, selling for a little over 1g ;d |
| 09:45.59 | Semlar | maybe the sell price is based on how much that trinket sucks |
| 09:46.05 | VIad | :D |
| 09:46.11 | zenzio | lol |
| 09:46.23 | VIad | nice boss drop |
| 09:46.26 | VIad | his gem is worth 3g |
| 09:47.23 | VIad | btw I enjoy when they put an exit at the end of a dungeon |
| 09:47.33 | VIad | botanica and mechanar got one |
| 09:47.36 | VIad | not alcatraz... wtf |
| 09:47.43 | zenzio | well, it *is* a prison |
| 09:47.53 | nevcairiel | Haha |
| 09:48.10 | VIad | it's like blizz are unsure what dungeons should have an exit portal or not |
| 09:48.22 | Semlar | wouldn't want to make it too easy to leave |
| 09:48.53 | Semlar | "teleport to entrance" should probably be built into instances |
| 09:49.04 | Semlar | just as an api command |
| 09:49.54 | VIad | fun story - in swtor I didn't find that they had an popup button on the minimap to leave an instance |
| 09:50.01 | VIad | so I was like "whaa... how to get back?!" |
| 09:50.04 | VIad | (fell down a hole) |
| 09:50.19 | VIad | but yeah would be nice to have the eye icon always there to leave the dungeon |
| 09:50.38 | VIad | atm on my DK I use the portal to get out and back again,. leaves me on the GY. |
| 09:50.42 | zenzio | getting stuck sucks |
| 09:51.34 | zenzio | in Anarchy Online I once got trapped in geometry. I couldn't get out, but the game was convinced I was falling, so I couldn't cast spells (no teleport), and /stuck required you to be sitting, which I couldn't... since it thought I was falling. Ended up having to suicide |
| 09:52.01 | VIad | :( |
| 09:52.04 | Semlar | i like the idea of positional or state requirements on a /stuck command |
| 09:52.04 | VIad | still happens in wow |
| 09:52.11 | VIad | can get stuck falling in wow too |
| 09:52.38 | VIad | my friend fell in the hyjal raid, into an edge with invisible wall that made him unable to move and it counted as falling :p |
| 09:52.46 | VIad | had to exit the game and let it TP him outside |
| 09:53.15 | zenzio | not long ago I even got trapped on a branch/lightpost in Ashenvale because I made the dumb decision to jump into it |
| 09:53.29 | VIad | :D |
| 09:53.54 | nevcairiel | there is plenty ways to set yourself free these days tho, back in classic you had to call GMs for such problems often enough |
| 09:53.58 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.06 | VIad | and it would be nice if you had an option, to HS, out to the GY, e.g. |
| 09:54.28 | nevcairiel | its tied to your HS so you don't abuse it |
| 09:54.32 | VIad | just thinking when they made the /stuck system could have at least made it a bit more flexible :p |
| 09:54.41 | VIad | can still do it |
| 09:54.44 | VIad | "HS" to the graveyard |
| 09:54.56 | VIad | I'd buy that if I didn't have to travel back to AQ40 from vale |
| 09:55.00 | VIad | (just an example) |
| 09:55.13 | Semlar | maybe it should break all your gear |
| 09:55.24 | VIad | maybe level you -1 |
| 09:55.34 | VIad | so you unequip your 90 gear |
| 09:55.45 | VIad | level back to 90 naked |
| 09:56.18 | Semlar | maybe you'll think twice about getting stuck on a root |
| 09:56.25 | VIad | idd |
| 09:56.37 | zenzio | does WoW even have a suicide command? |
| 09:56.42 | Semlar | no |
| 09:56.45 | Semlar | but it has items that kill you |
| 09:56.55 | zenzio | not very helpful if you don't carry the item |
| 09:57.15 | zenzio | granted it would be a very weird feature, but occasionally I found use in Anarchy Online's /terminate |
| 09:57.28 | VIad | even CS has a kill command |
| 09:57.30 | VIad | :P |
| 09:57.34 | VIad | counter-strike |
| 09:57.51 | VIad | believe they still got it in CSGO? |
| 09:57.52 | zenzio | not really CS; the Half-Life engine. Or maybe even the Quake it was built on |
| 09:58.12 | VIad | they could have disabled it if they wanted to |
| 09:58.13 | zenzio | don't know about the Source stuff |
| 09:58.14 | VIad | but since they didn't |
| 09:58.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.30 | VIad | ra-sha most camped mob if you ask me |
| 09:58.32 | Semlar | it has a cast time though |
| 09:58.38 | Semlar | you can't use it while falling |
| 09:58.57 | Semlar | or maybe you can |
| 09:58.58 | VIad | mage |
| 09:59.00 | VIad | shaman |
| 09:59.07 | VIad | spells that allow you to move and cast? :D |
| 09:59.12 | Semlar | apparently moving doesn't prevent it from casting |
| 09:59.25 | VIad | nice |
| 10:00.10 | nevcairiel | just be druid and use http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=164862 |
| 10:00.40 | nevcairiel | you can fly anywhere |
| 10:00.41 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 10:00.53 | Semlar | do you stop falling? |
| 10:00.57 | nevcairiel | i was meaning to check how that looks |
| 10:01.01 | nevcairiel | it must be hilarious |
| 10:01.05 | nevcairiel | a moonkin with flapping wings |
| 10:01.12 | VIad | :p |
| 10:01.15 | VIad | btw on serious note |
| 10:01.54 | nevcairiel | if you fall in a flying zone as moonkin, you can just shapeshift into flight form anyway |
| 10:02.05 | VIad | www.wowhead.com/item=104103 |
| 10:02.06 | nevcairiel | eh, as druid in general |
| 10:02.27 | Semlar | my hunter couldn't possibly die to falling damage unless i was afk |
| 10:02.56 | nevcairiel | can you like disengage out of the fall or something? |
| 10:03.05 | Semlar | disengage resets your fall height, he's got the pandaren bouncy racial and he has the engineering glider |
| 10:03.18 | Semlar | i'd really have to be trying to die |
| 10:03.40 | nevcairiel | it would be more fun if bouncy actually made you bounce |
| 10:04.30 | nevcairiel | but i love the falling damage reduction for druids as well, can usually just jump down from things without worrying too much |
| 10:04.50 | Semlar | i think druids and rogues actually have a slightly different mechanic |
| 10:05.07 | nevcairiel | yeah, we take less damage, and you have a height offset or something? |
| 10:05.09 | Semlar | they have to be falling from twice the height to start taking damage from falling or something |
| 10:05.13 | nevcairiel | i forgot how it works for bouncy |
| 10:05.28 | Kalroth | there should be an armor modifier, wearing full heavy armor should double the damage |
| 10:05.50 | Semlar | the druid and rogue abilities are to stop falling from breaking stealth |
| 10:05.51 | nevcairiel | plate wearers also shouldnt be able to swim |
| 10:06.01 | Semlar | but bouncy just reduces the falling damage |
| 10:06.12 | Semlar | so you still take damage from a small drop |
| 10:06.16 | Semlar | whereas a rogue wouldn't |
| 10:06.27 | nevcairiel | i thought its the other way around |
| 10:06.36 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: they can swim, but really really slowly |
| 10:06.45 | Semlar | nah, the whole point of it for rogues is to not take damage that would break stealth |
| 10:07.05 | Semlar | or prowl for druids |
| 10:07.23 | Semlar | so short drops wouldn't reveal them |
| 10:07.36 | nevcairiel | but i thought you need a higher height to take damage, so bouncy would do the same thing |
| 10:07.56 | Semlar | bouncy cuts the fall damage in half or something, i'm not sure how it works |
| 10:08.10 | foxlit | so cygwinâs gzip, with -dcq, refuses to shut up about mismatching crc sums. |
| 10:08.11 | Semlar | more or less the same end result |
| 10:08.17 | Semlar | but different mechanic |
| 10:08.17 | nevcairiel | the druid and rogue thing reduces the falling damage by like 30% of your maxhp |
| 10:08.19 | foxlit | I wonder if thatâs just because itâs ancient (1.4). |
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| 10:08.29 | nevcairiel | so if you would take less than 30%, you dont take any |
| 10:09.24 | Semlar | i know the rogue one is entirely to prevent small drops that would normally give you falling damage from breaking stealth |
| 10:09.59 | Semlar | which has the side effect of making it so you can drop from higher heights without dying |
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| 10:11.09 | nevcairiel | but the bouncy thing has the same net effect, by doubling the height until you start taking damage or something |
| 10:11.16 | nevcairiel | different rules, similar result |
| 10:11.58 | Semlar | bouncy's description is literally "you take half falling damage" |
| 10:12.05 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 10:12.15 | nevcairiel | guess i rememberd wrong how it works |
| 10:12.28 | Semlar | a bouncy rogue would have to fall from a ridiculous height to die |
| 10:12.30 | nevcairiel | druids get a 30% offset, which allows them to take no damage for a bit |
| 10:12.39 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1412331140.png :D |
| 10:14.42 | Semlar | i have my F keys bound to forms |
| 10:15.01 | Semlar | so F1 casts bear form, F3 casts cat form |
| 10:15.07 | Semlar | F4 used to be flight form |
| 10:15.31 | Semlar | but i was using alt+f4 to exit the game |
| 10:16.00 | Semlar | and what ended up happening was if i was flying at a significant height when i exited the game i'd log in dead |
| 10:16.07 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 10:16.16 | nevcairiel | i never alt-f4, since it has issues with saving addon settings |
| 10:16.25 | Semlar | because apparently it was shifting out of bird form before exiting the game |
| 10:17.19 | Semlar | it should still save your addon settings when you alt+f4 to exit |
| 10:17.58 | Semlar | i don't know what determines that |
| 10:18.43 | Semlar | if i'm in a rested area i usually /camp before alt+f4ing out of habit |
| 10:18.46 | VIad | why not |
| 10:18.49 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.12 | VIad | ah Semlar |
| 10:19.13 | Semlar | i never lose my addon settings from just alt+f4ing though |
| 10:19.15 | VIad | funny one |
| 10:19.28 | VIad | I experience settings loss with altf4 |
| 10:19.32 | VIad | the session isnt saved |
| 10:20.00 | Fisker | I usually write a little library hooking into the game executing the camp function |
| 10:20.07 | Fisker | Then I took a ban to the knee |
| 10:20.30 | VIad | even if only reading? :( |
| 10:21.06 | Semlar | obviously you aren't allowed to read the game's memory.. |
| 10:21.14 | Fisker | I also made me invulnerable and capable of emitting a death aura |
| 10:21.24 | Kalroth | that'd be violating their space, it's not like it's your process or anything |
| 10:21.36 | Fisker | It's copyright infringement and you know it Kalroth |
| 10:21.42 | Semlar | the client has information about aaaaall the units around you as well |
| 10:22.00 | Semlar | so you can't just go in and read the memory space |
| 10:22.01 | Kalroth | you wouldn't download a car or read the memory of a process on your computer |
| 10:23.08 | VIad | I'd 3d print and eat a pizza |
| 10:23.54 | Kalroth | but that's literally stealing |
| 10:24.05 | Semlar | that's not stealing |
| 10:24.26 | Semlar | it's replicating |
| 10:24.46 | Kalroth | no i dont mean the physical part |
| 10:24.49 | Kalroth | it's not like you thought of the pizza yourself, someone made it before you |
| 10:24.58 | Kalroth | so you're stealing their design |
| 10:25.00 | Semlar | you probably could create a 3d printer for food |
| 10:25.07 | Kalroth | pretty sure it's already here |
| 10:25.33 | Semlar | maybe not quite like the star trek thing |
| 10:25.35 | zenzio | didn't someone already make a burger that way, that they thought was going to be awesome but wasn't? |
| 10:25.41 | VIad | with that logic Kalroth I can't drink water |
| 10:25.48 | VIad | because someone already pattented water :p |
| 10:25.53 | Semlar | you're thinking of a spongebob episode |
| 10:26.10 | Kalroth | VIad: sure you can, you just have to pay for it first, otherwise it's stealing and then you're a criminal |
| 10:26.27 | Kalroth | Semlar: http://www.thewire.com/technology/2014/05/3d-printed-food-actually-looks-and-tastes-pretty-delicious/371863/ |
| 10:26.33 | VIad | also I am sure food isn't pattented - food, not junk consumables :p |
| 10:26.42 | VIad | like bread |
| 10:27.09 | Semlar | Kalroth: i pretty much assumed most fast food places were doing something like this for a while anyway |
| 10:27.32 | Semlar | they're making some sort of food paste and filling it into shapes |
| 10:27.39 | Kalroth | yup |
| 10:27.46 | Semlar | aaaand that's your mcburger |
| 10:28.11 | Kalroth | "The food looks like food, tastes like food, but has the consistency of puree that prevents residents from choking. " |
| 10:28.13 | Kalroth | nice |
| 10:28.36 | Semlar | SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE |
| 10:29.35 | Semlar | http://soylent.me oh no |
| 10:32.11 | Semlar | hey, listen if you had a product at the grocery store that was essentially a tasty paste that met all of your nutrition requirements, people would buy it |
| 10:32.53 | nevcairiel | you only found out about soylent just now? |
| 10:32.59 | Kalroth | make it tooth paste and it's a deal! |
| 10:33.52 | Kalroth | "Unlike the fictional product, Rhinehart's drink contains no human body parts." |
| 10:33.53 | Kalroth | aw |
| 10:34.40 | Semlar | my friend's trying to live off this stuff, i'm not quite at the point where i'm too lazy to eat actual food |
| 10:34.54 | nevcairiel | i might try it if it was available here |
| 10:34.58 | Fisker | I can't karl_w_w |
| 10:35.00 | Fisker | I just can't |
| 10:35.18 | Fisker | I'm paladin how am I supposed to not "Well met" every win? |
| 10:35.40 | Kalroth | i see no reason to begin drinking all my food now, it'll come automatically when i'm old and toothless |
| 10:35.46 | karl_w_w | you aren't supposed to not well met |
| 10:36.01 | Kalroth | Fisker: Good Sir, I say |
| 10:41.39 | VIad | why didn't they make the wall to disappear so you can use the stairs to get back out after c'thun? |
| 10:42.07 | VIad | it's like they prepared the design for this functionality but never implemented a simple door system to open and let you get out after the boss is dead... ugh |
| 10:42.15 | VIad | talk about cockblock |
| 10:47.09 | nevcairiel | didnt they have a door at first, but some people founid out how to exploit it, so it went a way |
| 10:47.50 | zenzio | think so; something about jumping after the first boss directly to C'thun |
| 10:48.21 | zenzio | don't remember if it was actually something about modifying the game client's model of the zone |
| 10:49.43 | Kalroth | they modified the terran data and made a hole in the stairs at the first boss |
| 10:50.02 | Kalroth | so they killed him and then dropped down in the hallway in front of C'Thun |
| 10:50.42 | Kalroth | if you're talking about that guild that got banned :p |
| 10:51.11 | zenzio | that's the one I was thinking of at least |
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| 10:58.24 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/uC4f7NS.jpg |
| 11:01.07 | zenzio | what should I be looking at? |
| 11:02.22 | Fisker | Just funny how he ragequitted the game because I did 4 taunts in a turn :P |
| 11:03.04 | zenzio | clearly I don't know enough about the game |
| 11:05.33 | foxlit | that next turn, though. |
| 11:05.48 | Fisker | indeed foxlit |
| 11:05.53 | Fisker | and I was looking forward to it too :( |
| 11:06.09 | Fisker | He was still at like 20 health |
| 11:06.17 | Fisker | So I still wouldn't have killed him |
| 11:06.30 | foxlit | divine favor always annoys me. |
| 11:06.31 | Fisker | And if he had a single taunt I would probably lose at least 6 damage |
| 11:06.54 | Fisker | from his perspective anyway |
| 11:16.39 | foxlit | eh, windows. |
| 11:16.53 | foxlit | io.open(os.tmpname(), âwâ) â> nil, âPermission deniedâ |
| 11:17.38 | foxlit | apparently os.tmpname() returns something like â\s18g.4â; is that even a valid path? |
| 11:19.10 | Kalroth | sure, it's a file in the root folder! |
| 11:22.16 | Fisker | it generates a filename apparently foxlit |
| 11:22.25 | Fisker | Doesn't give you a pa th |
| 11:22.27 | Fisker | path* |
| 11:23.44 | foxlit | yeah, googled that; youâre apparently supposed to prepend %TMP% or something. |
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| 11:25.22 | Fisker | Yep |
| 11:25.48 | Fisker | To be fair that was my initial "trolololo" thought but googled it just to be safe |
| 11:25.48 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:26.06 | Fisker | methods doing exactly what it says on the tin and nothing more |
| 11:26.07 | karl_w_w | you know pain killers work really well for me, the moment I swallow the tablets I feel better |
| 11:26.16 | karl_w_w | you all shut up I've got this placebo thing working well |
| 11:26.26 | Fisker | It's a suppository |
| 11:26.34 | smcn | good news! |
| 11:26.41 | Fisker | :) |
| 11:26.52 | Fisker | btw karl_w_w |
| 11:26.54 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/uC4f7NS.jpg |
| 11:27.02 | Fisker | He didn't like that taunt one little bit |
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| 12:04.22 | Neffi | or i'll force you to eat soylent |
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| 13:17.31 | Fisker | YES karl_w_w |
| 13:17.40 | Fisker | 4/8 twillight drake with a bubble |
| 13:17.49 | Fisker | "Well met" *plays ironbeak* and sacks a 1/1 |
| 13:17.50 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:18.03 | karl_w_w | rekt |
| 13:20.04 | Fisker | oh man he got totally shat on |
| 13:20.19 | Fisker | Don't think he got his consecration :D |
| 13:24.54 | Fisker | that feel when opponent goes "mistakes were made" and I'm like "YES!" |
| 13:25.10 | Fisker | Then it turns out I played deathrattle before undertaker |
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| 13:37.33 | Fisker | Nothing like that webspinner into angry chicken |
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| 14:22.52 | karl_w_w | the rebadgering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy896MeSElY |
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| 14:40.36 | Arrowmaster | why can i only find torrents for macross frontier soundtracks online, im trying to find the macross 7 osts |
| 14:42.45 | Thunder_Child_ | Arrowmaster: Because bad? |
| 14:43.06 | Arrowmaster | oh i think i figured it out, they are released under a different name |
| 14:44.23 | Arrowmaster | found a collection http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=228301&showfiles=1 |
| 14:57.14 | karl_w_w | ooh I have discovered exotic nuts |
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| 15:07.32 | nevcairiel | there is a pun in there somewhere |
| 15:09.16 | karl_w_w | don't strain yourself |
| 15:10.19 | Fisker | failed BM karl_w_w :( |
| 15:10.28 | Fisker | I equalitied a belcher but forgot there was a slime |
| 15:10.35 | karl_w_w | harhar |
| 15:10.41 | Fisker | Price paid |
| 15:10.42 | Fisker | damn |
| 15:10.47 | Fisker | But he gave up |
| 15:10.54 | karl_w_w | i almost failed BM once |
| 15:11.03 | Fisker | Yeah I had lethal anyway |
| 15:11.04 | karl_w_w | but then i realised i wouldnt have won even without the BM |
| 15:11.09 | Fisker | But he actually put up a divine shield taunt :P |
| 15:11.13 | Fisker | Could've been bad |
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| 15:17.25 | Fisker | jesus christ that was terrible karl_w_w |
| 15:18.56 | karl_w_w | did you try to execute your own sylvanas? |
| 15:20.23 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
| 15:20.35 | Fisker | He had gotten a acolyte of pain with full value ;_; |
| 15:20.42 | karl_w_w | well you're doing better than artosis |
| 15:20.43 | Fisker | And then he played another one |
| 15:20.49 | Fisker | I had a 1/1 our |
| 15:20.52 | Fisker | out |
| 15:20.55 | Fisker | I was going to win this shit |
| 15:21.09 | Fisker | equality, hah now it's a 1/1, just gonna deny you a draw with my ironbeak owl |
| 15:21.10 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 15:21.13 | Fisker | :'( |
| 15:21.22 | karl_w_w | smart |
| 15:21.37 | Fisker | playing cards in the right order is kind of crucial |
| 15:22.01 | Torhal | But not the left order? |
| 15:22.08 | Fisker | you get me Torhal |
| 15:22.21 | Fisker | At Blizzcon I'll leave my hotel room door open for you |
| 15:22.23 | Fisker | <3 |
| 15:22.39 | karl_w_w | hey Torhal what order do deathrattles trigger in? |
| 15:23.25 | Torhal | FIFO |
| 15:23.48 | Torhal | has no idea what he just answered. |
| 15:24.04 | karl_w_w | well you were right |
| 15:24.15 | karl_w_w | you pass |
| 15:25.41 | [SW]Dodge | Torhal: you got a minute? in #wowace Stanzilla hinted that you maybe could help with an packager issue. |
| 15:27.32 | [SW]Dodge | for one of my project the packager does not want to package anything. |
| 15:28.24 | karl_w_w | you didn't sacrifice the correct number of virgins |
| 15:29.56 | [SW]Dodge | there was no word about virgins... so i sacrificed my mother-in-law |
| 15:52.33 | pompy | g0urra: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/us-sweden-politics-palestinians-idUSKCN0HS0XN20141003 |
| 15:53.26 | g0urra | it's a farce |
| 15:53.36 | g0urra | fuck the new government |
| 15:55.14 | Fisker | why is that a farce? |
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| 16:40.41 | rungek | hi, I have a issue with IsSpellKnown in WoD beta. I am asking IsSpellKnown for a spell that is actually known, yet I get false. For example Cobra Shot when in BM |
| 16:40.58 | rungek | any ideas on what I am doing wrong? |
| 16:43.35 | Arrowmaster | so all of this music that ive been uploading to my google music hasnt been uploaded by anybody else before because its making me upload it all |
| 16:43.38 | Arrowmaster | damn |
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| 16:46.27 | Constie | It seems to be working for me on the PTR, rungek. Are you sure you're giving it the correct spellID? |
| 16:48.54 | rungek | 77767 Cobra Shot true false is what I get when I do print(spellId, spellName, IsUsableSpell(spellId),IsSpellKnown(spellId)); |
| 16:49.20 | rungek | http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=77767#comments it seems to be the correct one |
| 16:49.31 | rungek | is there a way to check if it really is in game? |
| 16:51.14 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: Stop listening to esoteric stuff? |
| 16:51.23 | Fisker | see Shirik |
| 16:51.48 | Arrowmaster | apparently im the only one that likes listening to video game soundtracks and anime osts that arent already on the google store |
| 16:59.56 | rungek | using idTip addon I can confirm that the IsSpellKnown is telling me taht Cobra Shot is not known for BM. Is it as it should? Am I missing something? I am confiused |
| 17:01.57 | Shirik | there is nothing wrong with esoteric music |
| 17:11.45 | MiRai | rungek: Pretty sure that Semlar and Jamash just went over this the other day, but I don't think they came to a conclusion on what was happening. I'm not sure... |
| 17:12.21 | MiRai | I think Jamash had a workaround, but he's not in the channel at the moment |
| 17:14.25 | rungek | MiRai ah ok. It seems to be for two of six spells I tried. One is a talent, one is a part of the spec. |
| 17:14.49 | rungek | the chan title says this channel is logged, any where I can read it? perhaps I can search |
| 17:14.59 | nevcairiel | ~logs |
| 17:15.00 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 17:15.07 | rungek | thanks nevcairiel |
| 17:15.17 | rungek | and of thanks MiRai and Constie :) |
| 17:15.26 | rungek | *of course |
| 17:15.51 | smcn | machine gun beta builds |
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| 17:47.55 | Semlar | rungek: you can try using GetSpellInfo(spellName) |
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| 17:48.31 | Semlar | it should not return anything if you don't know the spell |
| 17:50.23 | rungek | Semlar: oo nice. I will look into that |
| 17:50.32 | Semlar | or GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(77767)) |
| 17:51.12 | rungek | Semlar: warcraft inception I see. thanks :) |
| 17:51.19 | Semlar | it wasn't working for talents that transformed existing spells into another spell but i think that might be the only exception |
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| 17:51.50 | Semlar | not that this is a great workaround, maybe they'll fix IsSpellKnown |
| 17:52.05 | rungek | Semlar: so it might be a blizzard bug? the IsSpellKnown that is |
| 17:52.32 | Semlar | it's a bug that that function doesn't accurately return whether you know a specific spell ID |
| 17:52.51 | Semlar | i don't know whether they're actively fixing it or not |
| 17:58.26 | foxlit | I donât think anything specific changed in the beta; things should behave as they always have. |
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| 18:15.01 | zenzelezz | what's up with the battle.net program these days? I swear it wants to update every day |
| 18:16.56 | TC-Work | EVERY DAY. |
| 18:17.22 | TC-Work | At least that means they are not letting it languish. |
| 18:17.47 | Ressy | Finally fixing the numerous bugs people have reported |
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| 18:38.03 | rungek | how long are the beta realms usualy down for? |
| 18:40.28 | TC-Work | They will be up Soon (tm) |
| 18:42.56 | rungek | hehe, bad question I guess |
| 18:43.33 | kd3 | at this point, it's going to be (near)-daily builds from here on out |
| 18:43.55 | kd3 | each time they go down for a build expect the realms to be down for ~8 hours |
| 18:43.57 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14730473028#1 |
| 18:49.56 | rungek | ah, that is really good to know. thanks! |
| 18:54.07 | TC-Work | kd3: Oops? |
| 18:54.23 | kd3 | it didn't get sent last night |
| 18:54.36 | TC-Work | Ah. Bot decided to go on strike? |
| 18:54.44 | kd3 | yah |
| 18:55.02 | nevcairiel | your automated thign sure seems to be unreliable |
| 18:55.21 | kd3 | it works most of the time. if my net connection flakes out (not that that's uncommon), it doesn't really like it |
| 18:55.30 | kd3 | I'll harden it when it gets too annoying |
| 18:56.29 | Kraps | thats what |
| 18:56.34 | Kraps | he said |
| 19:34.16 | Shirik | thwacks Kraps |
| 19:35.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:36.04 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 19:36.15 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy is gone |
| 19:36.18 | Fisker | This is your fault |
| 19:36.33 | Shirik | I stole her |
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| 19:48.19 | Fisker | You made her sick Shirik |
| 19:48.24 | Fisker | Deathly ill |
| 19:48.53 | zenzelezz | so, someone in World of Tanks is upset because someone didn't speak English. How does he protest? "delat game klingon" |
| 19:49.16 | Shirik | baleeted |
| 19:50.19 | VIad | http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/ |
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| 19:54.02 | Mr_Rabies | interesting way to phrase it |
| 19:54.11 | Mr_Rabies | children, civilian, and "other" |
| 19:54.28 | VIad | might be unidentifiable corpses, who knows |
| 19:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | 20 civilian deaths since 2012 is actually way lower than i thought |
| 19:56.32 | Mr_Rabies | not that any number is truly acceptable |
| 19:56.56 | Mr_Rabies | that's actually way, way more precise than i figured they were |
| 19:57.21 | VIad | they get the data externally too |
| 19:57.25 | VIad | the info page |
| 19:58.38 | Mr_Rabies | probably a hell of a lot lower than any ground team, or honestly any kind of air-bombing |
| 19:58.49 | Fisker | well karl_w_w |
| 19:58.51 | Fisker | I'm done |
| 19:59.15 | Fisker | Just got hyped mage by melee |
| 19:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | the future of drones is scary but assuming this data is correct they're doing much better than i expected |
| 19:59.24 | VIad | scary when you start having an "acceptable amount of killing" :p |
| 19:59.51 | VIad | 2050: it was just 50000 people killed in the last drone strike, much lower than usually so it's fine |
| 20:00.58 | karl_w_w | when's the next steam sale Fisker |
| 20:01.10 | Fisker | There's always a steam sale |
| 20:01.16 | karl_w_w | also i have a badge to craft, should i wait? |
| 20:01.21 | Fisker | But dunno can't remember when there's a huge sale other than winter and summer |
| 20:01.30 | Fisker | depends |
| 20:01.37 | Fisker | If you want the silly rebate go for it |
| 20:01.49 | Fisker | If not you can wait until a steam sale and it'll probably generate a card of some sort |
| 20:02.06 | Fisker | i.e. usually winter and summer sales |
| 20:03.21 | Mr_Rabies | like i said, VIad, no number is truly "acceptable" but in a combat zone where only one side is wearing uniforms, it seems the drones are possibly a better option to any other as of now |
| 20:03.42 | TC-Work | I wonder how many children they have in uniform. |
| 20:04.05 | VIad | imagine growing up scared of drones, new PTSD in the making |
| 20:04.27 | VIad | korea all over again, this time with drones and not generics |
| 20:04.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not defending our mess in the middle east but it does seem the military is getting better at only hitting those they're trying to hit |
| 20:05.03 | VIad | the graph said otherwise |
| 20:05.07 | VIad | :p |
| 20:05.15 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 20:05.37 | Mr_Rabies | the numbers in 2008-2011 have way, way higher of a percentage of civilian deaths |
| 20:06.46 | VIad | fyi I consider the "other" innocent too |
| 20:07.07 | VIad | if you purely look at the red, yes sure, but those white bars pile up greatly too |
| 20:07.10 | Semlar | other would be intended targets going by the graph |
| 20:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | if they're not civilians or children, then what are they? |
| 20:07.43 | VIad | you draw a conclusion from lack of description |
| 20:07.49 | VIad | could be unidentifiables |
| 20:07.50 | Mr_Rabies | ah, so the data's useless then! |
| 20:08.04 | VIad | maybe you dont know if the white bars are civilians or military or what not |
| 20:08.04 | TC-Work | Other than total number of people dead |
| 20:08.21 | Mr_Rabies | just saying, going by this data, drones seem to be a good thing, which may make you consider whose site this is |
| 20:08.39 | Semlar | all i care about is how annoying this website is |
| 20:08.41 | VIad | still a lot of dearths just to kill one guy |
| 20:09.03 | Semlar | you don't appear to be able to skip the animations |
| 20:10.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely possible that this site is setup by a weapons manufacturer to make you go "oh hey civilian and children deaths are really low!" |
| 20:11.01 | Semlar | what do you mean "to kill one guy" |
| 20:11.22 | TC-Work | Me |
| 20:11.25 | Mr_Rabies | he's looking at high profile targets as the only goal of the drone strikes |
| 20:11.27 | VIad | on many raids the high profile target is usually a guy or a really small group compared to the total amount of deaths. |
| 20:11.35 | Mr_Rabies | which is rarely the case |
| 20:11.46 | VIad | so we just killing large group of people now because they might be terrorists? |
| 20:11.49 | Semlar | oh he thinks high profile targets are the only targets |
| 20:11.57 | Mr_Rabies | the goal is to take down the whole group associated with the high profile target, usually |
| 20:14.25 | Mr_Rabies | the data's confusing, though, "other" being such a huge group is really unreliable |
| 20:15.02 | VIad | how do you identify burning charred corpses? |
| 20:15.11 | Mr_Rabies | if someone's not a civilian or child they're either: an enemy combatant, unidentifiable, or military |
| 20:15.23 | VIad | especially when it's some village somewhere and they live like it's 1920s |
| 20:15.24 | Mr_Rabies | lumping those 3 into one category is entirely unreliable |
| 20:15.47 | VIad | I am sure many in the gray are civilians too |
| 20:15.54 | VIad | just not identifiable as |
| 20:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | but do you have any proof as such |
| 20:16.02 | Mr_Rabies | if you don't, then you can't rely on it |
| 20:16.32 | Mr_Rabies | which means the data as a whole really isn't all that useful |
| 20:16.32 | VIad | just imagine a group of people and a very powerfull bomb going off |
| 20:16.40 | VIad | glhf identifying the arms, legs and remaining bones |
| 20:16.55 | Mr_Rabies | because it just has you make an assumption of a huge dataset that could be anything |
| 20:17.23 | VIad | I doubt drones shoot darts with poison that allows you to clearly inspect the corpse and figure out details. :p |
| 20:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | one person such as yourself might assume they're mostly civilian, another might assume they're mostly enemy combatants, another might assume they're friend or foe military combatants |
| 20:17.55 | Mr_Rabies | they typically use fairly precise and small bombs and missiles compared to, say, a bomber |
| 20:18.15 | VIad | clearly. those for drones will say they are enemy combatans to make a point that this works, someone against will say not so fast :p |
| 20:18.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just saying the "other" field is useless |
| 20:18.32 | Semlar | well according to the website itself, OTHER is classified by the obama administration as a military combatant |
| 20:18.45 | Semlar | so you can assume whatever you want |
| 20:19.21 | VIad | :D |
| 20:19.34 | VIad | the government that said prism is not real, is reporting statistics, neat! |
| 20:19.52 | Mr_Rabies | so again, the data's useless |
| 20:19.56 | VIad | government doesn't mean "oh great, so thats what happened!" |
| 20:19.58 | Semlar | this is very obviously not a government website |
| 20:20.31 | VIad | thats probably why they use "other" instead of "military combatants" as the obama administration says iti s :p |
| 20:20.56 | Semlar | Because the US Government does not disclose strike information, the data must be manually collected on the ground by reporters. |
| 20:20.58 | Semlar | derp |
| 20:21.16 | VIad | where did you get the obama thing from then? |
| 20:21.23 | Semlar | the info button? |
| 20:21.24 | VIad | you come with two sources now :p |
| 20:21.32 | VIad | first the government now reporters |
| 20:21.36 | VIad | or both have different oppinions? |
| 20:21.48 | Mr_Rabies | The category of victims we call âOTHERâ is classified differently depending on the source. The Obama administration classifies any able-bodied male a military combatant unless evidence is brought forward to prove otherwise. |
| 20:21.51 | Semlar | read the god damn info page |
| 20:22.01 | VIad | I am busy watching imgur |
| 20:22.07 | VIad | thanks for reading it for me :D |
| 20:22.08 | Semlar | you're the one who linked the website |
| 20:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | so basically they're just lumping a bunch of data that isn't confirmed civilian or child into one big group that means nothing |
| 20:22.55 | smcn | peeps i think we should all just calm down and watch ustream.tv/toocute for awhile |
| 20:22.55 | Semlar | none of it means anything because all of their material is coming from second hand reports |
| 20:24.56 | Semlar | it's a war, obviously there are going to be loads of casualties |
| 20:25.19 | VIad | let's change topic and be angry at what API and functionality is missing from WOD |
| 20:25.33 | VIad | same amount of heated discussion, only another topic :p |
| 20:25.39 | Semlar | why should i be angry at anything |
| 20:25.52 | VIad | because hunters are being removed in WOD |
| 20:27.12 | Semlar | i might have half a mind to be angry at you for making inflammatory statements |
| 20:27.24 | VIad | :D |
| 20:28.38 | VIad | is the PTR further in development than the beta now? |
| 20:28.46 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:29.00 | Mr_Rabies | they're in parity, now |
| 20:29.09 | Semlar | is there any reason to use the ptr |
| 20:29.25 | Mr_Rabies | if you're not in beta :p |
| 20:29.27 | kd3 | if you don't have beta? |
| 20:29.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not, so i ptr |
| 20:29.52 | nevcairiel | the ptr also has all the live limits in 6.0, so if you ever had to test something like t hat.. |
| 20:30.10 | Shirik | kd3: the latest diff makes me so happy |
| 20:30.16 | Shirik | "_, _, _, _, _, currencyID, currencyQty, goldQty = C_Garrison.GetBuildingUpgradeInfo(id);" |
| 20:30.24 | Shirik | so proud of blizzard for not falling into the select() trap |
| 20:30.38 | VIad | ! |
| 20:30.39 | ccox | any ETA on the beta realms coming back online? |
| 20:30.45 | VIad | but did they local _ ? |
| 20:30.49 | Fisker | Can I fall for you Shirik ? |
| 20:30.55 | Shirik | I couldn't tell from the diff |
| 20:31.19 | kd3 | the blue post went up 3.5 hours ago, so... 4.5 hours if recent history is anything to go by |
| 20:31.39 | nevcairiel | yeah you can usually assume it does take the 7-8 hours they announce it to take |
| 20:31.53 | nevcairiel | with a da ily build, they can estimate it pretty good now :p |
| 20:33.07 | VIad | 6.0 live in two weeks or three? |
| 20:33.51 | kd3 | my guess is the 14th |
| 20:34.06 | nevcairiel | either the 14th or the 21st, one cannot be sure yet |
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| 20:36.10 | VIad | shhh |
| 20:36.18 | VIad | all this talk lured Seerah onto irc |
| 20:36.34 | Gethe | :O |
| 20:37.03 | Shirik | Seerah: I meant to tell you, that batman video you posted, I literally loled at "sffz!" |
| 20:37.03 | Fisker | Poor Seerah |
| 20:38.49 | Seerah | You were talking about meeee! |
| 20:40.47 | Fisker | Only good things |
| 20:40.53 | Fisker | (Maybe) |
| 20:41.27 | VIad | *smirk* |
| 20:44.42 | Primer | How do you all feel about using the top games on twitch as a metric of a game's popularity? |
| 20:45.01 | Primer | I've noticed that when games are released, they shoot to the top of twitch's top games list |
| 20:45.13 | Primer | Take, for example, Wildstar |
| 20:45.17 | nevcairiel | not every game is fun to watch, yet may be fun to play |
| 20:45.34 | Shirik | I played wildstar a ton and only streamed on rare occasions when we were doing something insane |
| 20:45.38 | Primer | Everyone I know that started playing it has canceled their subscriptions |
| 20:45.41 | Shirik | on the other hand I stream almost every lol game I play |
| 20:45.54 | Primer | Without exception |
| 20:46.08 | Shirik | I haven't cancelled my wildstar subscription |
| 20:46.11 | nevcairiel | yeah wildstar failed badly |
| 20:46.12 | Shirik | you now have exception |
| 20:46.40 | Shirik | (I probably should have, but I refuse) |
| 20:46.52 | Primer | The same thing happened to me in SW:TOR |
| 20:47.00 | Primer | I hung in there for 4 months |
| 20:47.31 | Primer | Then when I saw that the first big content patch didn't really introduce the things I wanted, I canceled and never went back |
| 20:47.44 | Primer | Look where they are now. |
| 20:47.51 | Primer | Wildstar...same thing |
| 20:48.16 | Shirik | Wildstar is still everything I wanted in an MMO |
| 20:48.32 | Shirik | the problem I have is a lack of community |
| 20:48.39 | Shirik | you can't play an MMORPG by yourself |
| 20:48.49 | Primer | There was no community problem in SWTOR |
| 20:48.49 | nevcairiel | that should tell you that you dont want what everyone else wants |
| 20:48.59 | Shirik | well they're all wrong :P |
| 20:49.48 | Primer | The one thing I don't get about twitch top games...League of Legends is ALWAYS the top game |
| 20:50.03 | Primer | Perhaps nevcairiel has a point in that some games are just really fun to watch |
| 20:51.03 | TC-Work | League is only fun to watch with good commenters imo. |
| 20:51.11 | Primer | Lately it's been LoL, DOTA2, and Hearthstone that are consistently in the top 5 |
| 20:51.19 | TC-Work | That being said, watching top rated people is a good way to learn. |
| 20:52.53 | Primer | Wildstar: 105 viewers |
| 20:53.20 | TC-Work | Comentator* |
| 20:53.23 | Primer | Farming Simulator has more viewers... |
| 20:54.30 | Primer | Five Nights at Freddy's...1763 viewers! |
| 20:54.47 | Primer | I bought that game for my daughter but she won't play it...too scared :) |
| 21:15.35 | Arrowmaster | finally done downloading music and uploading it to my google music account, what other crazy obscure stuff should i put on there |
| 21:15.43 | kd3 | oh wow, and I thought my fat-fingering of numbers had kept me up at night: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29454265 |
| 21:23.26 | Primer | that lady needs to do her nails...DAMN GIRL!! |
| 21:35.45 | Neffi | nice. googledrivesync.exe has been using 100% of a core indefinitely. |
| 22:07.09 | Arrowmaster | NOOO! my evening plans got canceled minutes before i was going to step out the door |
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| 22:31.32 | jleclanche | howdy |
| 22:35.23 | Neffi | hey |
| 22:38.37 | jleclanche | Neffi: missed me? |
| 22:39.32 | zenzelezz | it did seem uncannily silent here while you were gone |
| 22:39.46 | nevcairiel | jerome was gone? |
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| 22:42.39 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: 8 weeks delay on my move :/ |
| 22:42.55 | jleclanche | but Im in stockholm now, beautiful and all |
| 22:45.40 | Neffi | jleclanche: a lil bit :D |
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| 22:54.21 | jleclanche | :) |
| 23:10.31 | TC-Work | I don't miss jleclanche, but I do miss adys. |
| 23:16.13 | Unkle | five minutes I waited, and no one asked TC-Work if his aim has improved? |
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| 23:46.41 | TC-Work | Unkle: Obviously I have improved since jleclanche is the 2.0 version. |
| 23:54.15 | Unkle | Heh |
| 23:58.05 | ccox | new beta build - pick up an object, insta-death |
| 23:58.16 | ccox | that is one seriously psychotic bug. |
