| 00:00.10 | Neffi | to be fair speed traps suck on highways |
| 00:00.27 | Semlar | no, they literally set up traps that you can't avoid |
| 00:00.27 | foxlit | highways are weird. |
| 00:00.31 | Neffi | who the fuck really want to drive 55 mph when you're trying to go across three states? |
| 00:00.38 | Neffi | even the cops drive above the limit |
| 00:00.47 | Arrowmaster | speeding on a highway is fine as long as there are other cars, as soon as you get a clear lane youll get a ticket if you are caught |
| 00:00.49 | TC-Work | Well interstates are federally controlled I think. |
| 00:00.49 | Semlar | they basically force you into a situation where you have to break a traffic law and then give you a ticket |
| 00:00.57 | Semlar | that is how they operate |
| 00:01.10 | Neffi | TC-Work: Actually, I'm pretty sure they're not |
| 00:01.15 | TC-Work | Semlar: I disagree, although I haven't been everywhere. |
| 00:01.23 | Neffi | I dont even think the federal government is allowed to control the highways, interstate or not |
| 00:01.36 | TC-Work | Neffi: Not just Freeways/Highways, just interstates. |
| 00:01.44 | Neffi | For instance, the speed limits on interstates vary when you cross a border. They're patrolled and laws are enforced by the state |
| 00:01.48 | foxlit | it seems weird to have a speed limit that is intended to be breakable. |
| 00:01.57 | TC-Work | Enforced by the state yes. |
| 00:02.07 | Neffi | yes, and conventional wisdom is that when driving on an interstate, you *must* know the local laws as soon as you cross the border |
| 00:02.18 | Neffi | several cops have told me that |
| 00:02.37 | foxlit | Either give up and say âdo whatever you feel safe, this is a highway with adequate road conditionsâ (see Germany), or post cameras computing average speed across stretches, and mail fines to everyone. |
| 00:03.35 | Neffi | post cameras computing average speed across stretches, and mail fines to everyone. <- they're doing a trial that's not too different from that idea. we have "ezpass", which is like RFID for toll booths. if they decide you've closed the gap between two tollbooths too quickly, they may mail you a ticket |
| 00:03.39 | Neffi | people are not happy about it |
| 00:03.58 | Semlar | no kidding |
| 00:04.33 | Neffi | it still seems to be a trial thing. there's no official word about this, and most people are not flagged. it happens on occasion. so I think they're doing it here and there to see how it works out |
| 00:05.33 | Neffi | they ought to raise the limits to reasonable amounts. 55 mph is not a reasonable speed limit on a highway. but nobody wants to be unpopular. |
| 00:06.06 | Neffi | they just raised the limit in Manhattan from.. i think 25 to 35? and there have been complaints, mostly from the older crowd, that it's too dangerous and people shouldn't rush around and ignore safety |
| 00:06.25 | Semlar | let's just make everyone a criminal so we can charge anyone with anything any time we want |
| 00:06.44 | Neffi | it actually certainly seems like that's the mentality around NYC |
| 00:07.31 | Neffi | Quotas are enforced hard. Towards the end of the month, it's not unheard of to get a ticket for jay-walking or riding your bike on a walkway (even if it's some side street with no people) |
| 00:07.49 | Neffi | Not as bad in the city proper though, just in Staten Island |
| 00:09.11 | Torhal | Seerah: It's ok, I want to punch him too after reading those posts. Meh. Some people. |
| 00:09.18 | Torhal | >.> |
| 00:13.27 | Jamash | GetSpellBookItemInfo("Power Word: Solace") fails because Power Word: Solace is actually Holy Fire wearing a fake mustache |
| 00:14.18 | Semlar | even if you k now the spell? |
| 00:14.59 | Jamash | I've resorted to keeping : 1. A cache of globalid to specid mappings, 2. A cache of specid to globalid mappings, and 3. a cache of spell name to globalid mappings |
| 00:15.01 | Jamash | yes |
| 00:15.41 | Jamash | it's astonishingly difficult to get meaningful results out of the spellbook if you want to do anything but cast spells |
| 00:16.09 | Jamash | see, /cast Power Word: Solace works because that goes to C, which does magic |
| 00:16.18 | Jamash | I have no access to said magic, so I have to make do |
| 00:16.20 | Semlar | what info are you trying to get |
| 00:16.30 | Jamash | whether the player knows a goddamn spell |
| 00:16.39 | Semlar | so IsSpellKnown? |
| 00:17.31 | Jamash | ha ha ha ha ha |
| 00:17.41 | Jamash | actually I mean, is a spell on an action bar |
| 00:17.55 | Semlar | IsSpellKnown doesn't appear to work anyway |
| 00:17.55 | Jamash | you would think that would be easy to determine! |
| 00:18.06 | Jamash | oh it does, just weird |
| 00:18.15 | Semlar | it doesn't work for cobra shot |
| 00:18.23 | Jamash | it takes a globalid and a true/false flag, not a name |
| 00:18.24 | Semlar | which is what steady shot transforms into |
| 00:18.34 | Jamash | if you want to use names, use GetSpellBookItemInfo instead |
| 00:18.44 | Semlar | i mean it doesn't work with the spell id for cobra shot |
| 00:18.48 | Jamash | unless you have a transforming spell, in which case jump in a lake and die |
| 00:18.49 | Semlar | it says i don't know cobra shot |
| 00:18.55 | Jamash | you see my problem |
| 00:19.23 | foxlit | not not GetSpellInfo(âCobra Shotâ) -> you know Cobra Shot. |
| 00:19.47 | Jamash | which is why I have to keep multiple mappings in order to find the base spell, which is what will give you real answers from IsSpellKnown and whatnot |
| 00:19.48 | foxlit | or something thatâs Cobra Shot-like that would happen if you did /cast Cobra Shot. |
| 00:20.13 | Jamash | foxlit: GetSpellInfo("Power Word: Solace") -> nil |
| 00:20.44 | Jamash | I've been banging my head against this for months |
| 00:21.06 | Semlar | works for my talents |
| 00:21.20 | Jamash | basically the API provides one-way mappings and the only way to get the reverse mappings is to keep track of them myself |
| 00:21.48 | Jamash | Semlar: some spells are different than others, this is overrides like Power Word: Solace that actually replace another spell |
| 00:22.01 | Jamash | Asphyxiate is another example |
| 00:22.02 | Semlar | well, it works for cobra shot too and that overrides steady shot |
| 00:22.08 | Semlar | the only difference is cobra shot isn't a talent |
| 00:22.10 | Jamash | does it? |
| 00:22.11 | Jamash | DOES IT |
| 00:22.14 | Semlar | yes |
| 00:22.31 | Jamash | are you sure? |
| 00:22.34 | Semlar | yes |
| 00:22.45 | Jamash | how so? |
| 00:23.21 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/4W8kL3h.jpg |
| 00:23.26 | Jamash | here, let me log on my hunter |
| 00:23.43 | foxlit | hah, I store Holy Fire internally when you add Solace to a ring. |
| 00:23.54 | Jamash | you've just showed me that cobra shot is cobra shot |
| 00:24.04 | Semlar | i don't know what you're asking |
| 00:24.10 | Semlar | cobra shot is a transformed steady shot |
| 00:24.32 | Semlar | and GetSpellInfo works with the name of the spell |
| 00:24.36 | Jamash | ok, here we go, /dump GetSpellInfo("Steady Shot") returns cobra shot |
| 00:24.51 | Jamash | I think that's what you meant to take a screenshot of |
| 00:24.58 | Semlar | no |
| 00:25.00 | Jamash | yes |
| 00:25.14 | Semlar | ..no, i'm telling you i can check that i know cobra shot using GetSpellInfo |
| 00:25.22 | Jamash | I'm sorry I'm being difficult, but blizzard is driving me insane |
| 00:25.25 | Semlar | which is what you're trying to do with power word solace |
| 00:25.38 | Jamash | anyway spec and talent overrides operate in a somewhat different manner |
| 00:25.50 | foxlit | (it doesnât work with Solace, because solace is apparently different) |
| 00:25.57 | Semlar | apparently |
| 00:25.58 | Jamash | to wit, GetSpellInfo works for spec overrides but not talent overrides |
| 00:26.07 | Jamash | are there glyph overrides? I need to test that |
| 00:26.13 | Semlar | well it works for checking if i know a talent but i don't have any talents that override spells |
| 00:26.34 | Semlar | anyway if it's IN the spell book you can obviously check for it |
| 00:26.52 | foxlit | Semlar: what if youâre a low level survival hunter? |
| 00:26.59 | foxlit | do you have steady shot then? |
| 00:27.35 | Semlar | cobra shot replaces steady shot at level 81 |
| 00:28.19 | Jamash | huh, cobra's still 81? I would have figured they would have moved it down to like 20 by now |
| 00:28.34 | foxlit | since steady exists, thereâs no practical benefit. |
| 00:28.46 | foxlit | not like you particularly want to extend serpent sting duration while levelling. |
| 00:28.51 | Jamash | sure you do |
| 00:29.16 | Jamash | especially when you're pet kiting things you have no business being able to solo but are soloing anyway |
| 00:29.54 | Semlar | it might be better for survival, it's pretty mediocre for beast mastery |
| 00:29.55 | Jamash | anyway that's beside the point |
| 00:30.04 | Jamash | the point is the spellbook sucks |
| 00:30.21 | Jamash | ah, polymorph glyphs |
| 00:30.23 | Jamash | to the mage! |
| 00:30.25 | foxlit | the spell-casting api has a few too many overlay levels. |
| 00:30.37 | Jamash | yes, yes it does |
| 00:30.50 | Semlar | just like how there's half a dozen different action bar overrides |
| 00:30.57 | Semlar | instead of just using one system |
| 00:31.15 | Jamash | when I've gotten my addon working I'm going to write them a post about how aggravating it is and how they could make addon authors' lives easier, if they want |
| 00:31.25 | Jamash | up to them whether to do anything about it |
| 00:32.02 | Semlar | i think they just need to make these transforming spells behave better |
| 00:32.04 | Jamash | all I really need is a way to get hold of a single, persistent id for each spell |
| 00:32.16 | Semlar | because there's no reason why IsSpellKnown should return false for a spell you know |
| 00:32.20 | Jamash | and have a way of going from override to persistent IDs |
| 00:32.24 | Jamash | and names and stuff |
| 00:32.36 | foxlit | but youâre wrong to expect that what youâre doing should be easy â since the default UI doesnât care whatâs on your action bars and what isnât, thereâs really no reason to think that it should be easy to figure that out. |
| 00:32.58 | Jamash | foxlit: I'm not wrong to expect that it should be easy to find out what spell is cast when you type /cast name of spell |
| 00:33.14 | Jamash | which is what I'm doing |
| 00:33.20 | Jamash | in order to parse macros |
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| 00:33.43 | Jamash | they buried that in C but there's no inherent reason why /cast should be smarter than GetSpellInfo |
| 00:34.25 | Jamash | all they'd need to do is use the same smartness that they've already put into /cast |
| 00:34.35 | foxlit | the point is that your expectations regarding what holds true about their API are wrong. |
| 00:34.43 | Jamash | There's no such thing as a wrong expectation |
| 00:34.47 | foxlit | Youâre not wrong about what *should* hold for their API, but the reality is different. |
| 00:35.05 | Jamash | an expectation is an opinion |
| 00:35.22 | foxlit | yet also a forecast. |
| 00:35.24 | Jamash | no |
| 00:35.31 | foxlit | âI expect itâll rain tomorrow.â |
| 00:35.43 | foxlit | âI expect to be done with my homework by noon." |
| 00:35.49 | Jamash | fine, it is my opinion that the API should behave this way, regardless of whether or not it does |
| 00:36.11 | Jamash | and regardless of whether or not it will, and regardless of whether or not you think it should or will |
| 00:36.33 | Jamash | and if I expect it to behave the way it should then that's my business and not yours |
| 00:36.59 | foxlit | by all means. Itâs just that youâd keep your sanity if you realistically estimated what is and what isnât easy. |
| 00:37.07 | Jamash | No, I wouldn't |
| 00:37.26 | Jamash | I still have to deal with the API, and it's a pain in the ass |
| 00:37.26 | foxlit | instead of expecting that things that should be easy are actually easy. |
| 00:37.46 | Jamash | The fact that the API is a pain in the ass does not depend on my expectations of it. |
| 00:38.21 | foxlit | Iâm projecting, but my reaction would differ depending on my expectations of the event. |
| 00:38.47 | foxlit | âWell, I knew this would be a pain, and it was, so meh.â âI thought this would be so easy, but it was SO INSANELY DIFFICULT. WHO DESIGNS THIS CRAP?â |
| 00:38.50 | Jamash | I've been fully aware that it's tremendously inconsistent for a long time, but that doesn't help me to figure out 1. how it is inconsistent, and 2. how to make my code work regardless, in any way |
| 00:39.07 | Jamash | 1. and 2. are what have been giving me fits |
| 00:39.26 | foxlit | speaking of, I have the same problem with /cast Power Word: Solace. Thatâs a pity. |
| 00:39.39 | Jamash | wait, what? |
| 00:39.49 | foxlit | I have a macro parser. |
| 00:39.53 | Jamash | oh, yeah |
| 00:40.02 | Jamash | I thought you meant on the chat command line, not your code |
| 00:40.02 | foxlit | and it doesnât resolve that overlay. |
| 00:40.17 | Jamash | I'm caching the names of spells that don't resolve |
| 00:40.27 | Jamash | I don't know of any other way to do it |
| 00:40.30 | foxlit | well, fuck it, they can use /cast Holy Fire instead. |
| 00:40.38 | Jamash | eh, my way works fine |
| 00:41.01 | Jamash | I'm building myself a consistent API on top of the game's nasty messy one so I can fix this stuff once and then not worry about it again |
| 00:41.15 | kd3 | right up until 6.1 when it changes yet again |
| 00:41.17 | kd3 | >.> |
| 00:41.31 | Jamash | well of course |
| 00:41.37 | Jamash | that's the life of a programmer |
| 00:41.45 | foxlit | abstractions are good anyway. |
| 00:41.48 | Jamash | if stuff wasn't breaking all the time who would they employ to fix it? |
| 00:41.53 | foxlit | I kind of do that for mounts, but caches are such a pain. |
| 00:42.19 | Jamash | when the journal came I just ripped all the companion code out and threw it away |
| 00:42.25 | foxlit | then Iâd have to deal with the spellbook events that do god-knows-what when you learn things and unlearn things and respec and possibly in combat and all sorts of headaches. |
| 00:42.28 | Jamash | not my problem anymore |
| 00:43.07 | Jamash | yeah I haven't built a robust solution to that stuff yet |
| 00:43.15 | Jamash | I'm still in the "get it working at all" phase of development |
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| 00:45.30 | Jamash | what I really wanted, and what I'm maybe 80%-90% of the way to getting is an object-oriented api that lets me write stuff like print(spell.Name); spell:Pickup(); ChatEdit_InsertLink(spell.SpecLink) |
| 00:46.19 | Jamash | it's much more terse and means I don't have to remember whether to call NounIsAdjective or IsNounAdjective |
| 00:46.34 | Jamash | just use Noun.Adjective |
| 00:47.03 | Jamash | also it works for flyouts and spells both |
| 00:47.13 | Jamash | which makes me happy |
| 00:47.59 | Jamash | I have a function that assigns one of my objects to a SecureActionButton regardless of whether it represents a flyout or a spell, which simplifies code elsewhere |
| 00:49.07 | foxlit | did all that. |
| 00:49.23 | Jamash | and accessing flyout spells as flyout[3] is fun |
| 00:49.49 | Jamash | foxlit: did you split this out as a library? |
| 00:49.51 | foxlit | (minus flyouts, because meh porting those when I already do ability lists elsewhere) |
| 00:50.15 | Jamash | I'm thinking of making SpellAPI a standalone lib |
| 00:50.41 | foxlit | Itâs a semi-isolated chunk of opie; you could in theory steal it for another addon. |
| 00:51.06 | Jamash | yeah mine's still dependent on the main addon for some stuff |
| 00:51.41 | Jamash | and I haven't profiled it to see how much time it wastes updating itself every time SPELLS_CHANGED fires, which is a lot |
| 00:51.49 | Jamash | even when they haven't |
| 00:52.29 | Jamash | I'd like to get it to the point where the main addon registers callbacks with the library that fire when the spellbook actually changes |
| 00:52.31 | foxlit | basically slotId = Thing:GetActionSlot(âsome actionâ, description); ⦠= Thing:GetSlotAction(slotId), and a secure Thing:GetSlotMacro(slotId) |
| 00:53.20 | Jamash | uh, sure |
| 00:53.44 | Jamash | hmm, I suppose I should extend it to the action bar |
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| 00:54.24 | Jamash | actionslot[1]:GetSpells() could return a spell if it's a spell action or a list of spells if it's a macro |
| 00:55.24 | Jamash | and those could be spell objects, and then what I'd really want is a way to perform set operations on two lists of spells |
| 00:56.35 | Jamash | LearningAid:Display(SpellBook.SpellSet:Subtract(ActionBar.SpellSet)) |
| 00:56.47 | Jamash | hooray, my entire addon in one line of code |
| 00:56.59 | Jamash | the rest is left as an exercise for, uh, myself |
| 00:57.55 | foxlit | as pretty as that line is, itâs setting up for many headaches of fighting the api, the language, and the boredom of writing set operations. |
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| 00:58.05 | Jamash | I'm already doing all that |
| 00:58.11 | Jamash | so really it's just refactoring |
| 00:58.47 | Jamash | I mean, I only use the one set operation so yes adding the rest would likely be pointless tedium |
| 00:59.03 | Jamash | but I'm definitely already fighting the api and the language |
| 00:59.33 | Jamash | the reason I'm writing SpellAPI is to put all the insanity in a localized corner where I don't have to look at it or deal with it 90% of the time |
| 00:59.44 | Jamash | like the Titans locking away Yogg-Saron |
| 01:00.37 | Jamash | honestly, localizing all the workarounds has given me fewer headaches overall |
| 01:00.49 | foxlit | a less poetic, but perhaps far happier, approach would be to redesign their âhereâs what you should do as spec Xâ spellbook page. |
| 01:00.52 | Jamash | when I find some weird kink I can fix it once |
| 01:01.07 | Jamash | that page should be thrown away |
| 01:01.09 | Jamash | done |
| 01:01.45 | Jamash | unless you're talking about something in 6.0 I'm unaware of |
| 01:02.15 | foxlit | no, the 5.x page is sufficient to get the idea. |
| 01:02.50 | foxlit | to me, the problem worth fixing is not âwhat âdonât I have on my action bars?â but âwhat âshould I be doing as X?â |
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| 01:04.22 | Jamash | that should be part of the in-game knowledge base or some proving grounds-like thing |
| 01:04.49 | Jamash | learning aid is meant to help the tedium of poking around in the spellbook while leveling |
| 01:05.44 | Jamash | instead, level up, grab the spell off the bar, keep going |
| 01:05.56 | Jamash | same for talents & glyphs |
| 01:08.27 | foxlit | I tend not to bother with glyphs while levelling; talents are rare, and new abilities tend to automatically fly down to action bars (but are otherwise fixable by making them draggable off the âgrats, youâve levelledâ popup). |
| 01:09.22 | Semlar | can you read the variables in the secure environment from outside of it without doing something like SetAttribute |
| 01:09.39 | foxlit | yes/ |
| 01:09.45 | foxlit | . |
| 01:09.47 | Semlar | how do you access it |
| 01:10.25 | foxlit | thereâs some api function somewhere to get the environment from a widget. |
| 01:11.39 | Jamash | I mean to eventually integrate LearningAid into the "grats" popup but that's for a later version |
| 01:11.49 | Semlar | GetManagedEnvironment apparently |
| 01:11.52 | Jamash | right now I'm trying to unbreak what used to be working |
| 01:11.59 | foxlit | sounds right, Semlar. |
| 01:14.56 | foxlit | heh, the curse news entry for the ui community dinner vanished. |
| 01:15.39 | foxlit | (off curseforge, still on wowace) |
| 01:15.56 | Trela | dies. |
| 01:16.16 | Trela | My newphews came to my bedroom door singing, "Do you want to build a snowman~". |
| 01:16.31 | foxlit | âDo you want to make a contract~?â |
| 01:16.52 | TC-Work | Go build a snowman. |
| 01:17.42 | Trela | Alabama. What snow? :( |
| 01:17.56 | TC-Work | Snow machine. |
| 01:18.02 | Trela | Contract? Do I get to be a pretty pretty magical girl? |
| 01:18.48 | foxlit | I havenât actually watched it :( |
| 01:18.55 | foxlit | but probably? |
| 01:19.40 | Trela | YAY!~ |
| 01:19.49 | Trela | spins, sparkles~ |
| 01:19.55 | foxlit | but also something about walpurgis night and doom. |
| 01:22.54 | foxlit | is it wrong to watch only the last episode of hunterxhunter? |
| 01:23.37 | kd3 | nope |
| 01:24.21 | foxlit | the carousel image looked pretty, but the 147 other episodes seem like theyâd take too long. |
| 01:24.41 | Semlar | well that's interesting, my keybind for the mouse click completely ignores any mouse enabled frames under it and interacts directly with the world |
| 01:24.56 | Semlar | it has a different behavior than the mouse |
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| 01:25.54 | foxlit | and youâre sure itâs not something silly like the frames having to register for specific mouse buttons? |
| 01:26.03 | Semlar | definitely |
| 01:26.09 | Semlar | i can click through action buttons |
| 01:26.22 | Semlar | well, i also put a mouse enabled frame over the entire screen |
| 01:26.27 | Semlar | and that's not stopping it |
| 01:26.40 | foxlit | but is that frame registered for AnyUp/AnyDown? |
| 01:27.06 | Semlar | it blocks the mouse, i can't left click on the world |
| 01:28.10 | Torhal | foxlit: It's still on wow.curseforge.com |
| 01:28.29 | Semlar | i'm assuming mouse clicks check if there are any mouse enabled frames below them before passing it to the actual CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE binding |
| 01:29.37 | foxlit | Torhal: okay, makes sense. Maybe I should rebookmark. |
| 01:29.58 | TC-Work | heh, I read that as camerawhoreselectormove. |
| 01:30.08 | Torhal | ... |
| 01:30.10 | Semlar | that's slightly annoying because i was trying to block additional keypresses from interacting with the world but it might be good to know |
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| 01:32.01 | foxlit | doesnât work that way for me. |
| 01:32.13 | foxlit | so maybe Iâm not parsing your description of what youâre doing right. |
| 01:33.28 | Jamash | why does GetSpellTexture return two icons? |
| 01:33.39 | Semlar | because only the second icon is accurate |
| 01:33.52 | Jamash | greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 01:33.58 | Jamash | I love this game |
| 01:34.05 | Semlar | foxlit: /run SetOverrideBinding(WorldFrame, true, '1', 'CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE') |
| 01:34.28 | Semlar | hover over any frame that would normally block the mouse from the world frame, hit 1 and it'll click directly on the world |
| 01:34.30 | foxlit | â1â is not a mouse button. |
| 01:34.35 | Semlar | no shit |
| 01:34.48 | foxlit | this is not surprising. |
| 01:35.20 | foxlit | I thought you meant âBUTTON1â instead of â1â, which would be surprising. |
| 01:35.49 | Semlar | i said binding it to a key clicks through the interface |
| 01:36.10 | foxlit | yeah, I donât know why I thought the middle mouse button was involved at all. Sorry. |
| 01:36.34 | Semlar | it was surprising to ME because i thought the mouse button was bound directly to that action |
| 01:37.02 | Semlar | but apparently clicks are handled first, which makes sense |
| 01:37.12 | foxlit | mm, thatâs you not realizing how mouse bindings work over widgets. |
| 01:37.16 | foxlit | Thatâs another headache :( |
| 01:37.56 | Semlar | i was trying to stop it from clicking on the world after the first time you press the key |
| 01:38.16 | Semlar | so if you're spamming the key it doesn't cast the spell and just keep clicking that spot |
| 01:38.47 | foxlit | Nice try. |
| 01:38.50 | Semlar | oh well |
| 01:39.54 | Semlar | unless i can treat it like a real mouse button |
| 01:40.00 | foxlit | http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/009/2/1/heat_haze_days_by_narutobankai7-d4n9k2w.png << thatâs an oddly specific iphone :/ |
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| 01:41.02 | Semlar | can i treat this like the mouse? |
| 01:42.19 | foxlit | ? |
| 01:42.50 | Semlar | can i bind a keyboard key in a way that will behave the same way as left clicking the mouse, where it interacts with what's under it instead of directly on the world frame |
| 01:43.02 | foxlit | no. |
| 01:43.29 | foxlit | iirc clique et al have to fake that by wrapping OnEnter/OnLeave. |
| 01:43.59 | Neffi | wrap all the things |
| 01:44.07 | Neffi | which may not work.. |
| 01:44.23 | Seerah | You could just check what the mouse is over when pressing the key |
| 01:45.07 | Semlar | i can't really apply any logic to the click itself |
| 01:45.08 | Neffi | you'd need to figure out the top-most mouse-enabled object directly under the cursor. i dont believe you can do this in a restricted env |
| 01:45.10 | foxlit | doesnât help, have to surrender that binding, canât get it back. |
| 01:46.00 | Semlar | once the button gets switched over to a mouse click it's pretty much on its own |
| 01:46.10 | Semlar | i think this is as good as i'm going to get for this |
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| 01:49.05 | Semlar | i thought i might be able to block its click by showing a mouse enabled frame because i can do that out insecurely but the bind is a jerk and just clicks through it |
| 01:50.44 | foxlit | you can block the bind anyway |
| 01:50.48 | foxlit | You just canât get it back. |
| 01:51.00 | Semlar | after the first click? |
| 01:51.08 | foxlit | yes. |
| 01:51.12 | Semlar | how would you do that |
| 01:51.20 | foxlit | capture keyboard input instead of mouse input. |
| 01:51.31 | Semlar | that might work |
| 01:51.35 | Semlar | i forgot about that |
| 01:51.46 | Semlar | i was literally thinking about doing that exact thing that other day, i can't believe i forgot |
| 01:52.09 | znf | Anyone knows if, when using .htpasswd, you can allow access to 2 files, unauthentificated, but request auth for the rest? (not just the directory) |
| 01:53.33 | foxlit | .htpasswd is not magic; itâs probably forced by some .htaccess directive. |
| 01:53.37 | foxlit | those directives can be scoped. |
| 01:53.46 | Semlar | i thought you could allow access to specific files |
| 01:54.16 | znf | foxlit, that's what I meant |
| 01:54.49 | foxlit | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_authz_core.html |
| 01:55.33 | foxlit | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#files |
| 01:55.54 | znf | I was looking for a more of a "spoon feed me" solution at this hour ^^ |
| 01:56.54 | Jamash | you know sometimes I forget that the default UI still spits out a page and a half of nonsense when you change specs |
| 01:57.22 | Jamash | since Learning Aid hides all that crap if the user so desires |
| 01:58.49 | Jamash | dammit now I'm back to set operations again |
| 01:59.16 | Jamash | ...unmerge sort? |
| 01:59.20 | Jamash | hmmm |
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| 02:55.50 | airtonix_ | hahahaha.no jamash. |
| 02:56.04 | Jamash | wat |
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| 03:21.42 | Simca | is there any way to remove a line from a gametooltip 'politely' (i.e. without calling :Show() or a SetX function again)? |
| 03:22.26 | Simca | say the tooltip has 7 lines and i want to remove line 5 - could I update the contents of lines 6-7 to be lines 5-6 and then hide the last? but then the tooltip wouldn't resize i guess. |
| 03:23.55 | Neffi | does this irk anyone else? "[this software is better/good] because it can think for itself" |
| 03:24.23 | Simca | a little i guess |
| 03:25.10 | Simca | the proper way to say it would be "[this software is better/good] because it is coded to handle a wide variety of situations without requiring extensive user interaction." |
| 03:26.51 | Neffi | yes, that would be the proper way to get the point across |
| 03:27.20 | Neffi | but that shows an understanding that software is a matter of design choices, not magic |
| 03:30.08 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* So many things to buy, so little money. |
| 03:45.32 | Semlar | Simca: if you don't call Show the tooltip won't resize to its contents |
| 03:45.54 | Semlar | you could probably do it manually but what would be the point |
| 03:51.48 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: what are you technolusting after now? |
| 03:53.04 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Many things. Although in this case it's just an SSD battling with a case of MTG. |
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| 03:55.39 | Thunder_Child | I have decided that perhaps an SSD would making gaming more enjoyable. |
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| 03:57.38 | airtonix | i have also decidec Thunder_Child. |
| 03:58.16 | Thunder_Child | No, you decidec. |
| 03:58.37 | airtonix | somehwatstuff |
| 04:05.22 | Gethe | so i'm not sure what happened between yesterday and now, buy saved vars aren't getting saved properly. |
| 04:05.26 | Gethe | Live fresh install: http://pastebin.com/HKSGJFn5 Beta fresh install: http://pastebin.com/DvfedkF4 |
| 04:05.56 | Gethe | has anyone else seen this? |
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| 04:19.27 | Neffi | Semlar: come play pokeMMO with me |
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| 04:24.09 | Semlar | no |
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| 04:29.59 | Neffi | :( |
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| 04:31.21 | Thunder_Child | Guess it's back to playing with yourself. |
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| 04:36.38 | Neffi | Thunder_Child: :( |
| 04:46.08 | Semlar | it's nothing to be ashamed of neffi |
| 04:46.39 | Thunder_Child | Culturally it is. |
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| 05:59.25 | airtonix | so much repress |
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| 08:23.53 | zenzelezz | I'm amused to see that my level 1 explorer toon has had 2325 deaths |
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| 08:25.09 | nevcairiel | how did you manage to stay level 1 when exploring anyway |
| 08:25.16 | zenzelezz | disabled XP gain |
| 08:28.25 | Neffi | o.O why? |
| 08:28.56 | zenzelezz | I was bored at some point |
| 08:30.50 | zenzelezz | I got all of EK, Kalimdor and Northrend. There were a few places in Outland I just couldn't seem to get to (Netherwing Ledge, Kazzak's place at least, and Isle of Quel'Danas) |
| 08:31.05 | zenzelezz | and a little bit of Cata |
| 08:31.20 | Neffi | that's,, impressive |
| 08:31.37 | Neffi | I would think far more deaths |
| 08:31.55 | zenzelezz | you learned some tricks :D |
| 08:34.35 | zenzelezz | when I was doing Borean Tundra, just as I was leaving the alliance base, I saw three corpses, literally holding hands (well, touching), their names spelling out (with some umlauts) "happy birthday <some name>" |
| 09:06.11 | smcn | zenzelezz: aw that's sweet |
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| 09:11.22 | nevcairiel | 3 people died for this, how is that sweet! |
| 09:31.15 | Fisker | fgsfds nevcairiel |
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| 09:31.36 | Simca | sdfsgf Fisker |
| 09:31.41 | Fisker | :( |
| 09:31.52 | Fisker | Why do you push my buttons Simca |
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| 09:32.54 | nevcairiel | we all read your manual |
| 09:34.44 | Fisker | oh |
| 09:35.02 | Fisker | Why would a vendor list all the various quirks in their manual that makes their system mad? |
| 09:35.08 | Fisker | That seems very dumb of them |
| 09:37.56 | karl_w_w | first time i played wow i ended up just walking everywhere at level 15 or something |
| 09:38.14 | karl_w_w | i like walked the length of eastern kingdoms |
| 09:38.41 | karl_w_w | world's slowest levelling but I learnt a lot about avoiding aggro :P |
| 09:48.05 | airtonix | you needed a computer game to learn that? |
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| 10:29.09 | VIad | what - can wow read changed textures without reloading the UI? |
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| 10:43.59 | karl_w_w | I never know how many oven chips is the correct amount |
| 10:54.48 | airtonix | 42 |
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| 11:19.40 | Simca | Vlad: if they are UI textures, no. Wow will never re-read any files it already has in its virtual filesystem until there is a reason to (a reloadUI) |
| 11:20.03 | VIad | someone said that on the forums so I went wtf :p |
| 11:20.38 | nevcairiel | maybe they meant without restarting the game :p |
| 11:21.00 | VIad | yeah |
| 11:21.23 | Simca | only exception would be if the file wasn't already loaded, like a creature texture for a creature you had not yet encountered. |
| 11:42.39 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 11:42.40 | Fisker | http://satwcomic.com/office-pet |
| 11:43.40 | airtonix | why fisker? |
| 11:43.47 | Fisker | no reason |
| 11:44.07 | airtonix | always one |
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| 14:25.23 | karl_w_w | when is blizzcon? |
| 14:26.08 | Alram | tomorrow! |
| 14:26.19 | Alram | dances |
| 14:26.24 | karl_w_w | huzzah! |
| 14:27.13 | karl_w_w | oh good, i need to sign in to steam |
| 14:27.18 | karl_w_w | from within steam |
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| 14:29.23 | Fisker | better get going then Alram |
| 14:31.34 | karl_w_w | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IBVTNsFQmfY/VBwYMZtti7I/AAAAAAAABFs/244_NwJvkNQ/s0/005.jpg if the roads weren't so empty and... clean, that could be real life |
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| 15:14.09 | t2krs | hey guys :D |
| 15:17.13 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 15:27.29 | t2krs | can somebody help me with making simple addon for my self? |
| 15:28.23 | t2krs | ive made Class Icons instead of portraits but i wanna made spec instead of class |
| 15:28.27 | t2krs | How that could be done? |
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| 15:40.54 | t2krs | someone can answer me?;/ |
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| 15:56.43 | Maldivia | t2krs: is this for arena, or in general? |
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| 16:59.54 | TC-Work | 2 seconds too late Maldivia |
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| 17:05.10 | Maldivia | TC-Work: story of my life... |
| 17:05.57 | TC-Work | Damnit Maldivia, I have so many responses for that I negated myself into indecision. |
| 17:06.21 | Maldivia | :D |
| 17:27.27 | foxlit | thereâs still no way to figure out the object id of the object the cursor is over? |
| 17:29.20 | Semlar | nope |
| 17:29.50 | foxlit | meh, I donât want to hardcode localized names to compare against tooltip text. |
| 17:30.01 | Semlar | the only way i could figure out to do it was using GetLootSourceInfo for chests |
| 17:30.39 | Semlar | since it gives you the guid that the loot is from |
| 17:31.02 | Semlar | although some interactive objects might count as the "npc" unit id |
| 17:32.00 | foxlit | this is a right-click-to-do-something sort of thing; thereâs no gossip dialog or loot. |
| 17:33.52 | Semlar | the name in the tooltip is probably your only option |
| 17:34.42 | Semlar | i don't think you can even generate your own tooltip from its object id to scrape a localized name |
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| 18:01.14 | Torhal | Semlar: Some do count as "npc" |
| 18:01.19 | Torhal | Mailboxes, for example. |
| 18:02.05 | Semlar | interacts with torhal |
| 18:02.32 | Torhal | binds Semlar to the channel. |
| 18:02.37 | Torhal | Your hearthstone will always take you here. |
| 18:02.49 | TC-Work | Poor Semlar. |
| 18:03.05 | fewyn | who'd want to come back here? |
| 18:03.23 | Semlar | :( |
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| 18:27.49 | Maldivia | home is where the heart(hstone) is... |
| 18:30.51 | TC-Work | ~lart Maldivia |
| 18:30.51 | purl | rm -rf's Maldivia |
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| 21:18.05 | zenzelezz | I guess people can't see you're guildless until you ding 20 |
| 21:18.14 | zenzelezz | (unless they see you in person, or /who) |
| 21:18.21 | kd3|hate`net | they fixed that to stop the cash flow spam |
| 21:19.25 | zenzelezz | I disabled "block guild invites" on my level 1, just for kicks to see how many invites I'd get, but none happened... until 5 seconds after I dinged 20 |
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| 21:36.39 | Semlar | low level people don't show up on /who requests |
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| 21:47.24 | nevcairiel | that cant be right, i got plenty of invites on level 1 |
| 21:47.38 | nevcairiel | trial accounts dont show up afaik |
| 21:48.20 | Neffi | recently? |
| 21:49.59 | nevcairiel | in 5.4 at least |
| 21:50.04 | nevcairiel | not very recently though |
| 21:51.21 | Neffi | I believe Semlar's right about this |
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| 21:51.29 | Neffi | probably a recent change |
| 21:51.51 | Semlar | would i lie to you, neffi |
| 21:52.12 | Neffi | ..yes? |
| 21:52.21 | Semlar | oh |
| 21:52.25 | TC-Work | yes |
| 21:53.41 | Neffi | hey Semlar, can I have a gif of you dying? |
| 21:53.52 | Neffi | or a video clip or something |
| 21:53.59 | Semlar | are you going to frame it |
| 21:54.22 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/rNhkOlA.gif |
| 21:54.27 | Neffi | I'm messing around with love2d for the first time and I need something to make. An animation of you dying over and over set to music is as good as anything, I figure |
| 21:54.57 | Neffi | thanks :D |
| 21:55.40 | Semlar | if i were capable of any video editing at all i'd make a compilation |
| 21:58.12 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.05 | foxlit | â## Interface : 60000â -> âIncompatibleâ |
| 22:04.42 | foxlit | â## Interface: 60000â -> âMeh, okay, out of dateâ |
| 22:05.09 | Neffi | I see no problem |
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| 22:06.10 | foxlit | and Iâll speak of no problem. Now if semlar is also not going to hear anything, we have the three monkeys covered. |
| 22:13.08 | Iriel | foxlit: My guess is that with the space before the colon the game thinks you have no interface # specified |
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| 22:17.05 | foxlit | a very safe guess. |
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| 22:37.07 | foxlit | So I want to steal a spellbook tab (one of those at the bottom) from the default UI. |
| 22:38.08 | nevcairiel | stealing is bad |
| 22:38.12 | Fisker | eyes the thief suspiciously |
| 22:38.25 | foxlit | borrow without the intention of returning, then? |
| 22:38.54 | Fisker | So theft? |
| 22:39.30 | Fisker | I require a ton of sleep |
| 22:39.39 | TC-Work | Metric or Imperial? |
| 22:40.30 | Fisker | That depends |
| 22:40.38 | Fisker | Which one is evilest? |
| 22:40.48 | nevcairiel | that would be the fuckton |
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| 22:41.01 | Neffi | but.. metric fuckton or imperial fuckton? |
| 22:41.04 | foxlit | I wonder if the spellbook will be upset. |
| 22:41.14 | Neffi | foxlit: I'm guessing "very yes" |
| 22:41.29 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i assume by steal you mean repurpose? |
| 22:41.32 | Fisker | I'm upset already |
| 22:41.41 | foxlit | replace, really. |
| 22:48.52 | karl_w_w | did lol mean something before LOL? |
| 22:49.02 | karl_w_w | as in lolling around |
| 22:49.20 | karl_w_w | or am i thinking of a different word |
| 22:49.57 | karl_w_w | loll |
| 22:50.20 | foxlit | something like http://go-hero.net/i/spb.jpg |
| 22:51.18 | Fisker | Is the add-on going to be called spellbook pro? |
| 22:51.32 | karl_w_w | that's not much of an adventure foxlit |
| 22:51.39 | Neffi | chuckles |
| 22:51.49 | Neffi | why not make new tabs? |
| 22:53.21 | foxlit | because one does not simply walk into mordor. |
| 22:53.44 | Fisker | They actually did foxlit |
| 22:53.56 | Fisker | Even worse they could've flown |
| 22:54.14 | Fisker | Instead of wasting 3 films |
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| 22:54.39 | foxlit | but what about those OP missile turrets, Fisker? |
| 22:55.39 | Fisker | I went back in time and shook hands with the creator of those |
| 22:57.02 | nevcairiel | foxlit: honestly the core ability tab is kinda useless as it is, not like anyone is going to miss it |
| 22:57.41 | foxlit | thatâs more or less what I think. The only problem is that it only exists at level 20 and above. |
| 22:58.42 | foxlit | which is a little meh, but I can probably live with it. |
| 23:01.04 | Fisker | Think it's time for me to sleep |
| 23:01.27 | Fisker | Night |
| 23:01.35 | foxlit | /wave |
| 23:01.49 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.23 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.31 | Semlar | the spellbook is always upset |
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