| 00:02.04 | relaxok | ah |
| 00:02.17 | relaxok | i think my whole way of inheriting is starting to fall apart |
| 00:07.28 | relaxok | ok if parsing a virtual element and we're not inheriting, don't parse <Scripts> |
| 00:09.21 | relaxok | eh that doesnt work because of inheritance chains |
| 00:12.13 | relaxok | why did blizzard build so much stuff as addons? |
| 00:12.24 | relaxok | like why isnt the achievementui just in framexml too |
| 00:12.49 | kd3 | so it can be Load on Demand? you don't always need the achievement ui in memory |
| 00:15.28 | relaxok | well, it's one of the main menu bar buttons |
| 00:15.39 | relaxok | not obsure |
| 00:15.40 | relaxok | obscure* |
| 00:20.39 | relaxok | but sure |
| 00:21.03 | relaxok | so it just goes through the folders in Interface\Addons and loads each toc etc? |
| 00:22.16 | kd3 | yup. if it sees LOD=1 it won't actually go any further unless some other addon depends on it |
| 00:24.37 | nevcairiel | yeah it indexes all the tocs first and builds a load order from that, based on dependencies, LoadWith and whatnot |
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| 01:08.24 | Simca | man it's been like 2 months since i first got this bug when launching not via battle.net app and it just never goes away - http://i.imgur.com/WWv1GQe.png |
| 01:08.40 | Simca | every single build since it has happened at least a few times |
| 01:08.52 | Neffi | don't be so assertive! |
| 01:09.22 | relaxok | i need to figure out the method of inheritance they use |
| 01:09.50 | Neffi | not necessarily. your code just needs to behave the same |
| 01:09.52 | relaxok | i originally was going to copy constructor the frame, but you can multiply inherit so that wont work |
| 01:09.59 | relaxok | well right now i reparse all the xml |
| 01:10.01 | relaxok | which is super fucking slow |
| 01:10.51 | relaxok | so like after parsing a virtual template, it just also stores the xml tags and i get that element and reparse the tags |
| 01:11.03 | relaxok | when something has it in its inherit="" |
| 01:11.25 | relaxok | not sure how else it can work |
| 01:12.13 | relaxok | i'm pretty sure they also do some inheritance in reverse |
| 01:13.00 | relaxok | cuz i end up with something like Invalid CheckButton Tag: CheckedTexture.. which is definitely in CheckButton |
| 01:13.08 | relaxok | so I can only guess something that's <Button> inherits <CheckButton> |
| 01:14.06 | Semlar | checkbutton is a separate widget |
| 01:15.13 | Semlar | it inherits the button metatable and adds some of its own methods |
| 01:15.29 | relaxok | yes, that usually works fine |
| 01:15.39 | relaxok | but one ui element in particular i think goes in reverse |
| 01:16.04 | relaxok | which i dont really support |
| 01:31.39 | relaxok | ok i'm storing refindex -1 if the global isnt available yet and that postpones getting the real index until the event is actually handled |
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| 01:48.08 | Simca | well i am happy |
| 01:48.19 | Simca | Blizzard finally finally fixed WDB writing, Semlar |
| 01:48.23 | Simca | in this build |
| 01:48.29 | Semlar | :O |
| 01:48.56 | Simca | was broken since the first alpha build in april |
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| 01:49.22 | Semlar | what about quest tooltips |
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| 02:02.36 | Simca | gotta love transfer speeds when dealing with hundreds of thousands of byte-sized files: http://i.imgur.com/2pghXeW.png |
| 02:11.20 | fewyn | time to buy an SSD! |
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| 02:14.00 | Iriel | Or time to tar up the files before transfer |
| 02:15.57 | fewyn | that sometimes speeds it up |
| 02:16.04 | fewyn | rarely not by much |
| 02:16.45 | Iriel | For badly designed multi-file transfer protocols it can make HUGE differences. |
| 02:17.00 | Iriel | (i.e. those that wait for each file to complete before starting the next) |
| 02:17.04 | fewyn | yeah really depends on what you're doing |
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| 02:32.47 | Jamash | if you're dealing with lots of small files, archiving makes a big difference to transfer speeds |
| 02:33.38 | Jamash | so I was trying to find out why garrosh has fifty o'clock shadow, and I found this thread http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1922569423 |
| 02:33.47 | Iriel | Jamash: I think fenwynâs point was that competent multi-file transfer tools do that for you. |
| 02:33.53 | Jamash | I'm not linking it because of the contents of the thread, but look at the top |
| 02:34.18 | Jamash | I thought that was amusing |
| 02:34.45 | Jamash | Iriel: yes but how many transfer tools are designed that way? |
| 02:35.01 | Jamash | I'm going to go out on a limb and say "not many" |
| 02:35.05 | Iriel | I think it depends whether they originated in the windows/desktop world, or the server world. |
| 02:35.31 | Jamash | I don't. Most Unix tools are pretty scalar-oriented. |
| 02:35.41 | Iriel | Unix is often stream-based tho |
| 02:35.53 | Iriel | and people on unix systems have dealt with non-lan networks |
| 02:36.19 | Jamash | well, so you mean pipelined as opposed to waiting for one to finish, then a full round-trip doing nothing, then starting the next |
| 02:36.35 | Jamash | I see what you're getting at if that's the case |
| 02:36.36 | Iriel | Right, those have no trouble with small files. |
| 02:36.42 | Jamash | yeah ok |
| 02:37.04 | Jamash | piping a tar stream across ssh for instance |
| 02:37.54 | Jamash | but even something designed for performance like rsync may choke on a zillion little files because of start/stop/start/stop delay |
| 02:38.32 | Iriel | I think rsync is pipelined to a degree, but I have to confess Iâm not sure - I only tend to use that for large files these days. |
| 02:38.43 | Dagmar | rsync is fucking dangerous over ssh |
| 02:38.57 | Dagmar | Don't use it unless you are damn sure you have specified the proper arguments very, very carefully |
| 02:39.19 | Dagmar | Certain older versions of rsync are just _never_ safe to use over ssh |
| 02:39.20 | Iriel | Dagmar: Many sharp edges is the unix way ! 8-) |
| 02:39.33 | Iriel | I had to write a perl script to create safe rsync command lines. |
| 02:39.39 | Dagmar | WEll, there's "sharp edges" and there's "remote execution of filenames" |
| 02:39.44 | Jamash | wat |
| 02:40.02 | Jamash | improper (or no) escaping? |
| 02:40.07 | Dagmar | I had to replace Vandy's replicator in a white-hot hurry after I saw what it was doing wrong |
| 02:40.14 | Dagmar | Jamash: Yep |
| 02:40.19 | Jamash | damn, that's terrible |
| 02:40.27 | Dagmar | You have to explicitly tell it --protect-args |
| 02:40.30 | Jamash | derp |
| 02:41.11 | Dagmar | People were complaining the replication wasn't happening for their stuff, and I looked... and saw that replication was breaking because Mac users like to put & in their filenames |
| 02:41.34 | Iriel | Anyone want some pizza? I just got an extra one because they cut it wrong. |
| 02:41.38 | Dagmar | I rewrote the entire damn script and made very, very sure it handled _all_ possible Unix filenames |
| 02:42.14 | Dagmar | ...and entertainingly it turned out that the backup system didn't handle all UNix filenames properly either. :) |
| 02:42.52 | Dagmar | When I made a bunch of filenames containing random strings of every character from 0x01 to 0xff... it went *blooey* |
| 02:43.07 | Dagmar | It even thought the tapes were corrupted. |
| 02:44.30 | Dagmar | ...and "Many sharp edges" is the Poettering Way. The Unix way is "simple tools" |
| 02:45.43 | Iriel | âSimple Tools, Insane Usersâ 8-) |
| 02:46.00 | Dagmar | That sounds more like Windows Plus Pack |
| 02:53.55 | Simca | windows copying is very fast - even compared to other options, as long as the files are large. when you get in the < 500 KB range, it gets bad, going to 'really really bad' if they are byte-sized. |
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| 03:20.11 | Simca | I found an obscure crash |
| 03:20.21 | Simca | I should kittens for my bug report |
| 03:20.25 | Simca | win kittens* |
| 03:26.51 | TC-Work | No no, you should kittens for it. |
| 03:27.19 | TC-Work | Also, I don't think kittens are that expensive to get....just to maintain. |
| 03:29.00 | Neffi | Simca: subjectively, TeraCopy seems to improve the situation for many small files, but that may just be an illusion, because it *looks* like it's doing something, not just showing a dumb dialog |
| 03:29.18 | Neffi | it's a good tool regardless |
| 03:29.27 | TC-Work | I found teracopy to be much better in win7, not so much in win8 |
| 03:29.37 | Neffi | I dont have win8, so I dont know |
| 03:30.02 | Neffi | I appreciate the automatic checksum verification, better visual feedback of what's being processed and what's to come, and all that jazz |
| 03:30.06 | TC-Work | since windows 8 now also supports resuming an queueing. |
| 03:30.09 | TC-Work | and* |
| 03:30.28 | Simca | in the end I got lazy when the dialog got to 4% minutes later I got lazy and cancelled it and then created a symbolic link instead |
| 03:30.34 | Neffi | oh yes, those two features are awesome too; a nice addition for 7 users |
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| 03:30.47 | TC-Work | although only from same location to same locatoin. TC also does from any location to location. |
| 03:31.22 | Neffi | TC won't queue copies from two separate devices, I dont believe |
| 03:31.42 | Simca | how to crash WoW |
| 03:31.50 | Neffi | eg, if you copy some files from C:\... and some from D:\..., over to a target F:\..., it will be doing both operations at the same time, rather than queueing |
| 03:31.52 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.04 | Simca | done |
| 03:32.06 | TC-Work | Not via explorer replacement, I think if you directly add it to the current window it will. |
| 03:32.14 | Neffi | ah, probably |
| 03:32.27 | Neffi | I do a lot of things in explorer.exe |
| 03:33.50 | Simca | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14610621164 now to go find some kittens |
| 03:34.43 | TC-Work | I hope amazons backend is just having a hiccup because I no longer have any wishlists. |
| 03:35.11 | Neffi | here Simca =ï¼¾â â âï¼¾= |
| 03:36.54 | Seerah | TC-Work: same here :((( |
| 03:37.04 | TC-Work | Yea, a friend said the same thing. |
| 03:37.17 | TC-Work | This will be very sad if they are actually gone. |
| 03:37.43 | TC-Work | Although, that would be a great way to boost traffic for amazon as everyone comes back to add the stuff in all over again. |
| 03:38.26 | Seerah | Under "Get Wish List Help" it has a Wish List Feedback link. On that page it says, "We launched a new Wish List design and would like to hear what you think." |
| 03:38.48 | Seerah | tempted to fill it out and say "where is my wish list?" |
| 03:38.50 | TC-Work | I don't think very much of it. |
| 03:39.30 | Semlar | kittens neffi |
| 03:39.39 | Neffi | meows |
| 03:40.22 | Seerah | did it |
| 03:40.31 | TC-Work | Heh |
| 03:40.41 | Seerah | probably 1 of 1000 |
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| 03:47.26 | relaxok | how does the ui know to use a 'blank' texture (like a <Texture> with no file but a color/alpha for a background) but not use that same blank on elements that just haven't had their texture set yet (so would show as solid white or whatever) |
| 03:50.01 | Semlar | i don't know what you mean by the second part |
| 03:50.03 | Simca | what do you mean |
| 03:50.07 | Semlar | either it has a texture or it doesn't |
| 03:51.04 | Simca | by default, all textures load as RGB 0, alpha 255, I'm pretty sure |
| 03:51.09 | Simca | loading a file overrides that |
| 03:51.27 | Semlar | if you create a texture and don't set it to anything it shouldn't display anything |
| 03:52.38 | Semlar | but i don't want to launch the game to check |
| 03:53.27 | Simca | if the texture is specified as a file but missing, the color is set to solid green (presumably 0.255.0 RGB) |
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| 04:13.45 | Neffi | 840 EVO firmware fix coming Oct 15th, AnandTech says |
| 04:14.49 | Neffi | Samsung says they've identified the issue and are in the process of testing the fix |
| 04:17.48 | relaxok | well for example, the alpha background of the class select frame on the create character screen |
| 04:17.51 | relaxok | there's no file set for it |
| 04:18.18 | Neffi | is there a color set for it? |
| 04:18.28 | relaxok | yes |
| 04:18.33 | Neffi | you can, for instance, do: sometexture:SetTexture(1,0,0) to set it to a solid red |
| 04:18.49 | Neffi | it accepts RGBA values also in lieu of texture paths |
| 04:19.03 | Neffi | (range [0,1]) |
| 04:21.26 | Neffi | note: I dont know how to do this from XML |
| 04:21.38 | relaxok | i'm talking about textures where it's just a <Texture> tag and no file but there is a color |
| 04:21.47 | relaxok | like the background of the cinematic frame in the frontend |
| 04:22.30 | relaxok | actually i dont know, not a good example |
| 04:22.46 | relaxok | the background of the class choices in the character create is a correct example i think |
| 04:25.29 | Neffi | yes, I'm saying that if you specify a color *instead of* a texture, it creates a rectangle of that solid color |
| 04:26.59 | relaxok | hmm |
| 04:28.51 | relaxok | arent there cases where the texture is just not set in the definition but later? |
| 04:30.26 | relaxok | eh i should be able to add logic for this |
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| 06:17.55 | Dagmar | @#$@# |
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| 06:24.05 | Fisker | I heard it was a bug :( |
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| 06:59.42 | Fisker | so mad |
| 07:01.09 | Fisker | powershell is best shell cool |
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| 08:36.54 | karl_w_w | spectacles frame colours - "gun metal": we think grey sounds too boring |
| 08:39.25 | nebula169 | gunmetal is darker and has a blue tinge, it's hardly just grey! |
| 08:40.27 | karl_w_w | that was once the case |
| 08:40.36 | karl_w_w | now anything grey gets called gun metal |
| 08:40.53 | Neffi | if it's not actually gun metal grey then they're just wrong |
| 08:42.47 | karl_w_w | that's not possible |
| 08:42.51 | karl_w_w | they can't just be wrong! |
| 08:43.11 | karl_w_w | what is this some kind of socialist paradise?! |
| 08:44.34 | Neffi | ~pet karl_w_w |
| 08:44.34 | purl | ACTION reaches over and pets karl_w_w on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
| 08:44.41 | Neffi | there there, it'll be alright, man |
| 08:45.12 | Neffi | hmm, I didnt know purl already said that. now I feel totally redundant |
| 08:45.48 | karl_w_w | im trying to find glasses which go well with headphones and also dont look crappy |
| 08:45.52 | karl_w_w | not easy |
| 08:45.58 | Neffi | get iems/earbuds |
| 08:46.01 | Neffi | problem solved |
| 08:46.26 | karl_w_w | i prefer headphones at home |
| 08:46.40 | Neffi | well, akg makes some sexy looking headphones, imo |
| 08:50.28 | karl_w_w | I wonder how many people don't buy these: http://www.ausspecs.com.au/expand_prescription_glasses.php?model=ma4011&cart=&bypass=ma4011_side.jpg&page=19 |
| 08:50.37 | karl_w_w | because they say fashion on the side of them |
| 08:51.02 | Neffi | I wouldn't buy them because of that |
| 08:52.00 | Neffi | Seriously, "Fashion"? Who the hell thought, "we need to make these seem classy and sophisticated. let's write `fashion`. make sure you choose a font befitting that level of sophistication" |
| 08:53.31 | karl_w_w | :D |
| 08:57.02 | karl_w_w | this site is horrible to navigate |
| 09:03.20 | Neffi | Looking up reviews of the AKG K812. I've found what audiophiles are truly best at. |
| 09:03.26 | Neffi | Making up words so they can sound intelligent |
| 09:04.14 | karl_w_w | they dont do it to sound intelligent |
| 09:04.22 | karl_w_w | they do it cos they think they are intelligent |
| 09:05.06 | karl_w_w | With heaps of detail, excellent instrument separation and accurate soundstage the K812 is a true hifi headphone. Bass response is tight, lean and accurate, mids are smooth and detailed and treble response is airy and very well detailed. |
| 09:05.06 | karl_w_w | Comfort levels and build quality are also excellent ensuring you'll be able to enjoy them for a long time. |
| 09:05.06 | karl_w_w | Very well suited to acoustic and vocal music. |
| 09:05.34 | Neffi | I was reading stuff from head-fi. Not the best idea on my part |
| 09:06.05 | Neffi | My takeaway was that for $1500, the K812 were a bit more adjective-ey than other similarly priced headphones, and way more adjective-ey than headphones slightly cheaper |
| 09:06.19 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 09:08.47 | karl_w_w | I'm not sure how I feel about the detail on the arms of these ones http://www.ausspecs.com.au/expand_prescription_glasses.php?model=hr4035a&cart=&bypass=&page=2 |
| 09:09.28 | Neffi | grow your hair long |
| 09:10.55 | karl_w_w | I've narrowed it down to 5 frames, which took me 2 days |
| 09:13.40 | karl_w_w | "These solidly built semi rimless specs for men by RedStone exude class and sensuality" |
| 09:13.52 | karl_w_w | I'm not sure I want them to exude anything |
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| 09:18.39 | Neffi | lol |
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| 09:20.49 | karl_w_w | down to 4 frames! exciting times |
| 09:21.49 | bluipodcow | Wat do Karl ? |
| 09:22.40 | bluipodcow | Wat do? |
| 09:22.59 | karl_w_w | i am selecting my next eye glasses bluipodcow |
| 09:23.29 | bluipodcow | O |
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| 09:27.24 | karl_w_w | I elimited one based on them having the world's flimsiest looking hinges |
| 09:31.26 | Neffi | https://pokemmo.eu/ :O |
| 09:31.38 | VIad | game over for wow |
| 09:31.42 | VIad | time to convert |
| 09:34.38 | bluipodcow | Poke moo? |
| 09:34.52 | nevcairiel | pokes bluipodcow |
| 09:35.01 | bluipodcow | Mooooooo |
| 09:35.07 | nevcairiel | works |
| 09:35.12 | Neffi | ha |
| 09:36.23 | bluipodcow | #Wowuidev patch 36556.78 poking cows now produces moooos |
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| 11:28.41 | karl_w_w | "NEVER EVER use tissues to clean or dry your glasses. Tissues are made of wood fiber and will scratch your lenses" |
| 11:32.01 | nevcairiel | i would say y our glasses are of the wrong material if a tissue can scratch them |
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| 11:50.44 | Maldivia | ... I'm sure there's an iPhone joke hidden in there somewhere... |
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| 12:16.52 | karl_w_w | glasses cost $150 after health insurance rebate of $95, which is really good |
| 12:31.07 | zenzelezz | including the frames? |
| 12:32.58 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 12:33.12 | karl_w_w | $200 for the lenses |
| 12:34.25 | karl_w_w | 1.67 index photochromic |
| 12:35.52 | zenzelezz | that last part tells me nothing |
| 12:36.02 | karl_w_w | which one |
| 12:36.16 | zenzelezz | the whole last sentence |
| 12:36.48 | karl_w_w | lenses come in different indexes so you can have a higher prescription without having a 1cm thick piece of plastic |
| 12:37.01 | karl_w_w | 1.59 is usually the weakest and 1.71 the strongest |
| 12:37.10 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 12:37.37 | karl_w_w | photochromic is the generic term for Transitions |
| 12:42.58 | A-KO | I like my transitions |
| 12:43.02 | A-KO | a lot of people don't like 'em |
| 12:43.10 | A-KO | but I think they're nice, you don't even notice 'em most of the time |
| 12:43.19 | A-KO | You do, however, notice how bright things are without them |
| 12:44.37 | DJJeff | I feel bad for anyone thats on Area 52 on timeless isle right now |
| 12:44.59 | DJJeff | on the horde side |
| 12:57.41 | karl_w_w | yeah A-KO, you even get used to them being too dark when you go inside |
| 12:58.36 | A-KO | karl_w_w: only time I notice it is when I walk indoors from being outside for a minute or two :P And even then my attention fades from that :P |
| 12:58.46 | A-KO | they are nice, though. Protects the eyes. |
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| 13:36.39 | karl_w_w | http://puu.sh/bPPvl/fc4366c8be.jpg |
| 13:37.44 | DJJeff | karl_w_w, I loled |
| 13:44.02 | zenzelezz | I wish we lived in a world where I could feel sure that that was fake |
| 13:48.30 | DJJeff | I wish I was in heaven because life on earth fails hardcore |
| 13:51.01 | phelps | why would heaven be any different, its the same people in a different location |
| 13:51.13 | phelps | its probably just as shitt |
| 13:54.41 | phelps | DJJeff, are people mass farming lesser charms ? |
| 13:55.01 | phelps | those frogs have a very high drop rate |
| 14:06.34 | DJJeff | to what frogs are you talking about |
| 14:07.08 | DJJeff | I am a level 1 orc on timeless isle on horde side area52 |
| 14:07.18 | DJJeff | watching /1 general chat go nuts |
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| 14:11.31 | zenzelezz | DJJeff: I don't seem to understand |
| 14:11.51 | DJJeff | understand about the frogs? |
| 14:12.01 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 14:12.55 | DJJeff | on timeless isle you kill rares one of them is a frog Gupo |
| 14:13.21 | DJJeff | the other frogs are a pain when the stick poison on you |
| 14:13.29 | DJJeff | they* |
| 14:14.13 | zenzelezz | ok |
| 14:14.39 | zenzelezz | think I may have been owned by one once and just forgotten about them since |
| 14:14.42 | DJJeff | I guess people create small groups to kill the frogs |
| 14:14.57 | DJJeff | I have died 100s of times to frogs |
| 14:15.37 | DJJeff | I pre order the WoD expansion and boosted an alliance toon up to 90 |
| 14:15.45 | DJJeff | you are given all green items |
| 14:15.51 | DJJeff | hard to do the frogs |
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| 14:17.38 | DJJeff | my geared horde 90 can solo them frogs no problem |
| 14:19.18 | nevcairiel | once you collect the 496 epics you can get by with the frogs |
| 14:19.46 | nevcairiel | they only have like 1.5mil hp or so |
| 14:21.57 | DJJeff | hi nev <3 |
| 14:25.30 | DJJeff | nevcairiel you helped out with omen threat meter |
| 14:25.37 | DJJeff | it still works on MoP |
| 14:26.08 | DJJeff | curse has 3.1.8 last updated in 2012 |
| 14:26.35 | DJJeff | I still use omen threat meter and people in randoms keep asking about it |
| 14:29.06 | DJJeff | I somehow manage to out threat myself |
| 14:29.18 | DJJeff | keeps telling I passed 105% of my own threat |
| 14:29.26 | DJJeff | as a healer |
| 14:29.41 | nevcairiel | unless you have a really terrible tank, do people still worry about threat at all |
| 14:29.58 | DJJeff | I have no clue |
| 14:30.07 | DJJeff | I like to use it when I quest with my friends |
| 14:30.22 | DJJeff | so it warns them when I pull |
| 14:31.37 | DJJeff | I get in groups with tanks who derp charge in when me the healer is still grabbing quests |
| 14:35.01 | DJJeff | never get any lua errors with omen so it was well written |
| 14:35.08 | DJJeff | great job on it |
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| 15:34.38 | jitta | whats the B in "local A, B = ..." when called at the beginning of a lua file? A is the addon name, right? |
| 15:37.56 | Sharparam | jitta: A is name, B is the private addon table |
| 15:40.54 | jitta | so just an empty table? |
| 15:41.14 | Sharparam | initially, yes |
| 15:41.23 | jitta | alright, thanks |
| 15:41.38 | Sharparam | you can use that to store functions or variables that need to be accessible in more than one file |
| 16:17.06 | zenzelezz | first world problem: when there are three streams going simultaneously that you want to watch, but you only have two spare monitors |
| 16:18.55 | Constie | Life is pain. |
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| 16:43.47 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF78HDPPlkY 100% accuracy |
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| 17:27.51 | zenzelezz | something I've noticed a bit lately is how a number of people seem to say things like "the problem is was that" |
| 17:28.21 | zenzelezz | that was wrong; "was is" |
| 17:41.02 | VIad | grats humanity! we have the highest amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere - since ever! |
| 17:41.26 | Constie | New record! |
| 17:41.51 | VIad | if we keep going we'll win the grand prize |
| 17:41.54 | VIad | death by solar wind |
| 17:42.31 | VIad | if we keep going like this 30 more years it's gonna be funzies |
| 17:43.07 | Constie | On the bright side, this happened: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475 |
| 17:43.18 | VIad | :D |
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| 17:46.56 | TC-Work | Seerah: Looks like the lists are back. |
| 17:47.08 | Seerah | sweet |
| 17:48.54 | karl_w_w | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-scientists-invent-harry-potter-style-invisibility-cloak-1467499 it's finally happening |
| 17:49.02 | Dagmar | No it's not |
| 17:50.05 | TC-Work | With the exception of a power outage, I fail to see how that is better than a camera. |
| 17:50.34 | TC-Work | for the examples anyway. |
| 17:50.37 | zenzelezz | because Harry Potter, that's why!!1 |
| 17:50.45 | Constie | I'm finally going to be able to sneak into the girls' locker room. |
| 17:50.50 | karl_w_w | zenzelezz gets it! |
| 17:52.53 | TC-Work | Not the best person to hold up as a role model. |
| 17:56.17 | zenzelezz | I've never claimed to be a role model. In fact, I'd be appalled if anyone thought so |
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| 18:19.36 | TC-Work | s/role model/example/ |
| 18:19.58 | TC-Work | Better zenzelezz? |
| 18:23.47 | zenzelezz | possibly |
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| 21:21.13 | Neffi | *stumbles upon Jolicloud* this looks cool. anyone used it? |
| 21:24.08 | TC-Work_ | Like a $3 hooker. |
| 21:26.03 | TC-Work_ | Not really find of giving out 1st party account info to 3rd party services, |
| 21:26.08 | TC-Work_ | fond* |
| 21:29.15 | Gnarfoz | what is a parameter 3 hooker like? |
| 21:29.29 | Neffi | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 21:29.29 | purl | eats Gnarfoz's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 21:32.47 | Semlar | neffi i can't find any way to detect that a spell has a targeting circle in game |
| 21:36.31 | Neffi | actionbar checkbox is kept activated? |
| 21:37.11 | Semlar | there's no difference between that and a spell waiting a target |
| 21:38.27 | Gnarfoz | reticule being there is "target selection" - so that kind of makes sense |
| 21:39.06 | Semlar | yes, but i can't find any way to differentiate between it being something you can target the ground with or a unit |
| 21:39.29 | Semlar | i need a list of spells that have reticles |
| 21:39.31 | foxlit | because nobody needs to do that. |
| 21:39.38 | foxlit | /endofstory |
| 21:39.40 | Gnarfoz | I doubt it exists for us (evidence: the last 10 years of WoW) |
| 21:39.51 | Gnarfoz | (not the list, a way to differentiate) |
| 21:41.43 | foxlit | (but do you know *which spell* youâre currently targetting?) |
| 21:43.15 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkY5BdathD8 |
| 21:43.47 | Semlar | yes, i do know which spell i'm currently targeting |
| 21:44.04 | Semlar | and saying nobody needs to do that is like saying GetCursorInfo is pointless |
| 21:45.07 | foxlit | GetCursorInfo is used in FrameXML, the *default UI* needs it. |
| 21:46.01 | Semlar | there are plenty of api functions that the default ui doesn't use |
| 21:46.14 | jitta | you could scan for the key words "target area" and "target location" in the spell description, don't know how reliable that is though |
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| 21:47.52 | Semlar | also do we really need like 6 different types of action bar overrides |
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| 21:53.20 | foxlit | merely pointing out that what youâre trying to do is unintened, and therefore you should not be all that suprised when the API doesnât provide you with the information you want. |
| 21:54.32 | Semlar | how is it even unintended |
| 21:54.49 | Semlar | it's basically a cast sequence macro |
| 21:55.37 | foxlit | the space of things there are no API functions for is rather⦠large. Especially compared to the space of things the API functions which exist but arenât used by the default UI. |
| 21:55.56 | foxlit | except one of those actions is âclick the world for me" |
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| 21:56.52 | Semlar | with a hardware event |
| 21:57.56 | sylvanaar | wtf: 00:25:59 Connection closed unexpectedly: Closing Link: pdpc/supporter/active/sylvanaar (K-Lined) |
| 21:58.09 | sylvanaar | How rude |
| 21:58.23 | foxlit | sylvanaar: check if that particular server is still up? |
| 21:59.12 | sylvanaar | sendak.freenode.net how do i check |
| 21:59.17 | foxlit | Semlar: meh, doesnât make much of a difference to me. The relevant API requires a secure execution path and has no macro command/sabt equivalent, which pretty much means âI donât want you calling this programmaticallyâ |
| 21:59.51 | Semlar | i'm not calling it, they are when they push the button |
| 21:59.59 | Semlar | it's about as intended as opie |
| 22:00.36 | Semlar | flipping between what a button does when it's pressed isn't exactly unheard of |
| 22:01.03 | foxlit | itâs not the flipping thatâs problematic. Itâs that one of the actions is âTrigger a Binding" |
| 22:04.26 | foxlit | Basically, if RunBinding was available through SABT, youâd be exactly like OPie, and have a lot fewer problems. |
| 22:05.37 | foxlit | Everything else is inconvinient workarounds for the fact that you canât RunBinding through SABT, and that presumably wonât change. |
| 22:08.50 | foxlit | (would be awesome if it did, though, so if you think the functionality is A-OK, you should be lobbying for that change instead of finding the least-awkward way around the current API) |
| 22:08.58 | Neffi | Semlar: I dedicate this song to you http://youtu.be/YH4J_JwBpsA ;) |
| 22:44.43 | foxlit | So Iâm overlaying a transparent button on top of another button. This unfortunately kills the mouse hover/pushed/state handling for the lower button. Whatâs the easiest way to get it to behave as if my overlay wasnât there? |
| 22:46.01 | Seerah | Do you still need the transparent one to be mouse enabled? |
| 22:46.06 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:46.39 | Seerah | Maybe just have the transparent's OnEnter/etc. also call the lower button's? |
| 22:50.01 | foxlit | mm, that actually worked for something else. |
| 22:50.50 | foxlit | I was playing around with LockHighlight+SetButtonState which handled the highlight/pushed text offsets just fine, but didnât update the button background itself. |
| 22:51.25 | foxlit | It turns out the button template Iâm using doesnât use PushedTexture, and instead swaps textures in OnMouseDown/Up, so proxy-calling those as you suggest worked. Thanks! :) |
| 22:51.46 | Seerah | :) |
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| 23:13.34 | Semlar | neffi i got another jury summons |
| 23:13.51 | Semlar | i need to become a convicted felon or something |
| 23:18.35 | Semlar | also what the hell, IsModifierKeyDown() is just returning nil when i call it from my preclick script |
| 23:19.09 | foxlit | welcome to bindings. |
| 23:19.18 | Semlar | :| |
| 23:19.19 | foxlit | If the modifier is part of your binding, it doesnât count for anything else. |
| 23:19.30 | foxlit | (during the Click handling) |
| 23:19.51 | Semlar | what if the binding is for like 1 and you have a macro on 1 with a shift modifier |
| 23:20.00 | Semlar | will it return a value? |
| 23:20.14 | Semlar | because otherwise i can just pull it out of the hotkey that was pressed |
| 23:20.17 | foxlit | yes. |
| 23:20.45 | Semlar | alright that's fine |
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| 23:22.16 | Semlar | actually i'm watching the mod state anyway, i could probably just store it in a variable |
| 23:22.20 | Semlar | although i think that might have a delay |
| 23:23.11 | Semlar | state drivers are only evaluated every 0.2 seconds or something |
| 23:23.16 | foxlit | just a frame. |
| 23:23.22 | Semlar | one frame? |
| 23:23.23 | foxlit | and probably not that. |
| 23:23.28 | Semlar | hm |
| 23:23.31 | foxlit | itâs watching for the same event you are. |
| 23:23.41 | foxlit | s/ are/âd be/ |
| 23:24.46 | Semlar | for some reason i thought the macro conditions were evaluated periodically |
| 23:24.53 | foxlit | that too. |
| 23:25.22 | foxlit | Thatâs just short-circuited when specific events fire; modifiers changed is one of those. |
| 23:25.40 | Semlar | so not all macro conditions have events |
| 23:26.09 | foxlit | (which leaks the number of rendered frames into the RE) |
| 23:27.57 | Semlar | did you manage to call CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart directly for your reticle video |
| 23:29.11 | Semlar | or get the interface to call it |
| 23:32.17 | foxlit | yes? |
| 23:34.59 | Semlar | if you can call protected functions couldn't you automate significantly more |
| 23:37.58 | foxlit | sure, but Purrmetheus already works. |
| 23:41.21 | Neffi | <Semlar> neffi i got another jury summons <- if you kept the signed slip from the last, just mail that (or a copy?) in and you'll get off |
| 23:41.34 | Neffi | you don't have to server more than once every few years. forget exactly how long |
| 23:42.37 | Semlar | i didn't have to go last time though |
| 23:42.50 | TC-Work_ | 1 year. |
| 23:42.54 | Neffi | you didnt get chosen, but you still showed up at court, yes? |
| 23:43.11 | kd3 | if you're sitting in the jury selection room all week, it generally still counts |
| 23:43.14 | Neffi | TC-Work_: I think it varies for state court. Federal court is longer than that. |
| 23:43.20 | Semlar | no, they tell you what numbers have to show up and i wasn't in the range |
| 23:43.32 | Semlar | if you call them the night before |
| 23:43.38 | Neffi | It still counts for NY's state court at least. I didnt get chosen, but I still got my slip signed and dont have to reappear for a while |
| 23:43.47 | Neffi | Ah, I see then |
| 23:43.51 | TC-Work | kd3: Actually, sitting for one day counts. |
| 23:44.29 | TC-Work | Although LA really switched up their stuff because they have no money. |
| 23:44.55 | Neffi | LA has no money? |
| 23:45.03 | TC-Work | Fuck no. |
| 23:45.04 | Semlar | they are constantly handing out BS traffic tickets, how could they not have money |
| 23:45.06 | Neffi | I would think they make a killing off taxes with all the production companies and shit |
| 23:45.29 | TC-Work | You mean the ones going to other states/countries? |
| 23:45.51 | Neffi | well, then again, nyc makes a killing off taxes and it's still kinda broke, but that's mostly because our local government likes to spend money on useless shit |
| 23:45.58 | TC-Work | Semlar: You may not agree, but they are not as BS as you may think. |
| 23:46.13 | Semlar | LA has some of the most bullshit traffic traps in the country |
| 23:46.32 | Neffi | it also has the worst traffic. kinda goes with the territory |
| 23:47.08 | TC-Work | You have to realize that you can go 3 blocks and travel through 4 different cities with different rules. |
| 23:51.09 | foxlit | itâs somewhat insane that traffic rules are determined at city level. |
| 23:51.55 | TC-Work | Why? |
| 23:52.06 | Semlar | burbank is particularly terrible |
| 23:52.17 | TC-Work | That would mean whomever is doing the rules also need to plan the roads. |
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| 23:52.29 | foxlit | (unless itâs limited to classifying road types, but even that shouldnât swing wildly across a small area) |
| 23:53.23 | foxlit | typically, that is solved by having global traffic rules, but locally-posted signs specifying their parameters. |
| 23:53.47 | TC-Work | How do you have a global and local speed limit? |
| 23:54.21 | TC-Work | Or do you mean a framework, like 1 lane roads can't have speeds posted over 35mph, etc. |
| 23:54.32 | Neffi | It varies by location. Some rules are imposed by the state. Others are imposed on top of those by the more local jurisdictions like the city or county |
| 23:55.06 | foxlit | âUnless a sign specifies otherwise, the speed limit on road of type X is Y km/h.â |
| 23:55.22 | Neffi | afaik federal isn't allowed to impose driving laws. it's entirely the state's job, and they leave some of that power to the city, since it's the city's domain, and the city's responsibility to manage the infrastructure |
| 23:56.06 | TC-Work | foxlit: in that case the local municipality would always overrule the global because people like power. |
| 23:56.14 | TC-Work | and are assholes. |
| 23:56.15 | foxlit | coupled with a rule that signs that differ from the global maximum must be posted after every inflow. |
| 23:56.28 | Neffi | or rather because the more local municipality has more emminent domain |
| 23:56.43 | Neffi | it's impractical for the state to manage and be aware of the localized infrastructures |
| 23:57.27 | TC-Work | Yes, to be fair the local would have a much better understanding of local traffic conditions. |
| 23:57.57 | foxlit | (to me, itâs entirely fine if you on a local level decide to reduce speed limits. Do so by posting signs, and you arenât really changing the *rules*.) |
| 23:58.11 | Neffi | signs are posted |
| 23:58.15 | TC-Work | or raise them? |
| 23:58.21 | foxlit | or raise them. |
| 23:58.31 | TC-Work | All streets have posted signs |
| 23:58.44 | TC-Work | They have to, we don't really have a 'default' |
| 23:59.06 | Neffi | that's one thing that's generally excellent about the roads around the country. the asphalt may fall to disrepair, but everywhere I've been, the signs are abundant and useful |
| 23:59.51 | TC-Work | I assume the 'trap' that Semlar is talking about is the fact that people don't pay attention to the changing speeds. |
