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| 01:04.06 | Sintacks | wat. you can log into wowhead with battle.net o.O |
| 01:06.25 | fewyn | yes |
| 01:06.33 | fewyn | we launched that about a month ago now |
| 01:06.42 | Sintacks | shows how much i pay attention |
| 01:06.42 | fewyn | battle.net oauth yo |
| 01:06.46 | Sintacks | even though my home page is a wowhead page ... |
| 01:07.17 | fewyn | http://www.wowhead.com/news=242699/introducing-battle-net-oauth-login-on-wowhead-and-hearthhead |
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| 01:53.26 | kd3|hate`net | that took about as long as I expected... http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/09/25/236256/first-shellshock-botnet-attacking-akamai-us-dod-networks |
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| 02:24.47 | TC-Work | kd3: wait wait wait. So thew thing is called a 'wopbot' and they interviewed an Italian..... |
| 02:25.23 | kd3 | yah... |
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| 02:52.45 | Arrowmaster | ah fuck throwaways |
| 02:53.51 | Arrowmaster | its more exciting to post racy stuff to reddit knowing some people might find it |
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| 03:36.56 | kd3 | wow. can you say shitty console port? recommended system requirements: 4GB vram |
| 03:37.08 | kd3 | http://www.bethblog.com/2014/09/25/the-system-requirements-within/ |
| 03:38.53 | TC-Work | Odd, a 670 doesnt have 4gb of vram |
| 03:39.37 | TC-Work | But I guess that means I can use a quadro 6K..... |
| 03:45.26 | relaxok | what exactly makes the loading screen pop up? |
| 03:46.10 | kd3 | changing instances or teleporting some distance away |
| 03:47.14 | relaxok | i mean more specifically |
| 03:47.30 | relaxok | it switches away from drawing the UI when it happens |
| 03:47.38 | relaxok | the loading screen isn't defined in UI code anywhere..? |
| 03:47.50 | Semlar | not that we can access |
| 03:47.52 | kd3 | afaik it's c-side |
| 03:54.00 | relaxok | CGlueMgr::EnterWorld |
| 03:58.33 | relaxok | just creates a simplebackground like a BACKGROUND <Layer> |
| 03:58.41 | relaxok | in LoadingScreenPaint |
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| 04:11.36 | Neffi | recommended system requirements: 4GB vram <- holy hell |
| 04:11.55 | karl_w_w | ok i have questions |
| 04:12.01 | karl_w_w | like why is steam so blue |
| 04:12.12 | Neffi | it's going through a Picaso phase |
| 04:12.17 | karl_w_w | and how did they manage to completely update the store without making it any better |
| 04:12.51 | Neffi | Bethesda must only have one development team. They're pretty slow to come out with sequels, and it seems like they dont start the next game until they've decided to stop releasing patches and DLCs for the last |
| 04:14.25 | Neffi | kd3: Looking at the huge space differences between console versions, and recommended VRAM, they're probably just shipping super high res textures on machines that can handle it, with reasonable lower-res fallbacks for machines that can't |
| 04:17.25 | Kesava | also all their games are exactly the same |
| 04:17.53 | Neffi | well, not exactly |
| 04:17.58 | Neffi | fallout has guns. skyrim has magic |
| 04:19.46 | Kesava | also they did make a drag racing game apparently |
| 04:20.10 | Kesava | anyway its unfair to suggest one dev team can't be diverse in its creations so i was just joking |
| 04:20.11 | Kesava | clearly |
| 04:20.36 | Neffi | I don't think it's an unfair assessment. Tech- and gameplay-wise, they're not all that diverse |
| 04:21.11 | Kesava | indeed |
| 04:21.11 | Neffi | Doesnt mean their games suck. I rather enjoy them |
| 04:21.14 | Semlar | diversifies neffi's portfolio |
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| 05:03.56 | relaxok | so, if you have a virtual template A that has stuff in <OnLoad>.. and then frame B inherits it and has its own <OnLoad> stuff, the latter totally replaces the former right? you don't do both? |
| 05:04.44 | relaxok | i'm seeing code in FloatingChatFrameTemplate's OnLoad that I am thinking should have fired... but i'm realizing that i overrode it with ChatFrame1's OnLoad |
| 05:05.18 | relaxok | so ChatFrame_OnLoad and FloatingChatFrame_OnLoad never ran |
| 05:05.45 | relaxok | but i thought that was how it was supposed to work |
| 05:08.50 | Semlar | if you inherit a template and set your own OnLoad then it should replace the one in the template |
| 05:09.07 | relaxok | ok |
| 05:09.08 | relaxok | hmm |
| 05:09.39 | relaxok | maybe this works because UPDATE_CHAT_WINDOWS and UPDATE_FLOATING_CHAT_WINDOWS get manually signaled |
| 05:09.40 | Semlar | as far as i know those tags act the same as frame:SetScript() |
| 05:09.47 | relaxok | by the client |
| 05:09.49 | relaxok | on load |
| 05:10.03 | relaxok | i dont know if they do but just guessing |
| 05:13.23 | Jamash | I have a debug mode where my addon logs every event it receives |
| 05:15.59 | Jamash | actually it logs every function call made in the addon namespace, and all the events are functions, so same difference |
| 05:17.09 | Neffi | Jamash: how are you doing that without debug.sethook()? |
| 05:17.38 | relaxok | Jamash: can you login with default UI + your mode and send me a list of what events happen? |
| 05:17.41 | Jamash | I wrap every function |
| 05:17.41 | Neffi | replace ns with a proxy object that marks when a lookup for the function occured? |
| 05:17.50 | Neffi | ah, that would work too |
| 05:18.06 | relaxok | Jamash: just between hitting Enter World and being fully loaded in |
| 05:18.20 | Neffi | he's talking about his own addon's namespace, not *all* the functions |
| 05:18.21 | Jamash | sure, live, ptr or beta? |
| 05:18.28 | Neffi | or maybe he wasn't |
| 05:18.29 | relaxok | live |
| 05:18.36 | Jamash | yeah but I can set it to log every event without much trouble |
| 05:18.49 | Jamash | just register everything and have an overflow handler |
| 05:18.53 | Jamash | no big deal |
| 05:18.59 | Jamash | gimme a few minutes |
| 05:19.06 | relaxok | you are a god among men |
| 05:19.30 | Neffi | I didn't know jamash played a warlock ;) |
| 05:19.38 | Jamash | I play everything |
| 05:19.50 | Jamash | but yes my main at present is a lock :D |
| 05:20.23 | Semlar | as it should be |
| 05:21.01 | Jamash | ha, I already have an overflow debug log handler |
| 05:21.02 | Jamash | I'm so smart |
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| 05:28.38 | Jamash | ok lessee |
| 05:28.47 | Jamash | so from PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD on? |
| 05:30.39 | relaxok | or well, whatever you've got |
| 05:30.46 | relaxok | as much as you have |
| 05:35.54 | Neffi | Semlar: ping |
| 05:36.01 | Semlar | pong neffi |
| 05:36.08 | relaxok | waits and drools |
| 05:36.30 | Neffi | Semlar: how much space does recording raw use? I think I can handle recording if it's not also encoding |
| 05:36.34 | Semlar | a lot |
| 05:36.55 | Semlar | 1 minute is like 2gb |
| 05:36.57 | Neffi | I'm playing at 1366x768, and probably hovering between 20 and 30 FPS. |
| 05:37.10 | Semlar | oh well 768p would be smaller |
| 05:37.16 | Neffi | That's for 1080p60? |
| 05:37.17 | Semlar | but still substantial |
| 05:37.23 | Semlar | that's 1080p at 30fps |
| 05:37.35 | Semlar | there's not much point in recording at 60fps |
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| 05:37.50 | Semlar | especially since it doubles the file size |
| 05:38.43 | Neffi | mine should be smaller by a factor of 2-3 (depending on if I can record @ 20 fps) |
| 05:39.02 | Neffi | I think that's doable. The SSD can certainly sustain the writes |
| 05:39.26 | Semlar | let's say an average boss fight is anywhere between 10 and 20gb |
| 05:39.46 | Neffi | I'm looking to grab ~5 min clips. Should be good |
| 05:39.54 | Semlar | 5 minutes is about 10gb |
| 05:40.03 | Neffi | I want to record one of these ridiculous 12-dragon fights I've been getting into in skurm |
| 05:40.26 | Semlar | at least with my settings, i don't know if i'm doing anything special |
| 05:40.48 | Semlar | most of my tweaking was with the encoder when i was converting from the raw |
| 05:40.59 | Neffi | is the free version crippled? |
| 05:41.01 | Neffi | (dxtory) |
| 05:41.11 | Semlar | mmm i don't think so |
| 05:41.16 | Semlar | less audio cables maybe |
| 05:41.19 | Semlar | i don't remember |
| 05:41.20 | Neffi | ah, that's ok |
| 05:42.31 | relaxok | pokes Jamash |
| 05:45.00 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.46 | Neffi | I dont have the option for that codec. Do you have the paid version? |
| 05:45.56 | Semlar | no, i downloaded the codec |
| 05:46.03 | Semlar | well, yeah i do have the paid version |
| 05:46.11 | Semlar | but it's a separate codec |
| 05:46.49 | Neffi | I guess dxtory picks it up if you install it? |
| 05:48.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.11 | Neffi | I wish it could do variable framerate. :) |
| 05:49.20 | Neffi | that frown has an identity crisis |
| 05:50.00 | Semlar | you could also just use x264 or whatever |
| 05:50.34 | Neffi | not with my little dual core mobile cpu |
| 05:52.40 | Semlar | i don't really know that much about this kind of stuff, i just went with the first thing i got working well |
| 05:53.51 | Semlar | dxtory comes with a lossless codec but i think it might make larger files |
| 05:57.53 | Neffi | whelp. dxtory crashes the game client |
| 05:58.15 | Semlar | that's a good start |
| 06:01.09 | Neffi | ack. using a dx9 shim to dynamically adjust the rendered resolution, and dxtory doesn't like that. no fix |
| 06:03.55 | Constie | I would get someone else in my guild with a better computer to record boss fights, if that's what you're doing. |
| 06:04.20 | Semlar | he's recording something in another game i think |
| 06:08.35 | Torhal | hands Fisker some cat hair and a tube of superglue. |
| 06:08.46 | Fisker | why Torhal ? |
| 06:08.54 | Torhal | I figured you'd find some use. |
| 06:09.01 | Constie | Be creative. |
| 06:09.33 | Fisker | nope Torhal |
| 06:09.52 | Torhal | Well, Alram is just over there, Fisker. |
| 06:10.04 | Fisker | no Torhal |
| 06:10.13 | Torhal | What about airtonix? |
| 06:10.36 | Torhal | Or Ackis? |
| 06:10.42 | Fisker | I don't know |
| 06:10.54 | Torhal | Fine. I'm sure you'll figure something out. |
| 06:12.05 | Fisker | ok |
| 06:15.08 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: You should have picked Arrowmaster since he wants to punch Fisker. |
| 06:16.41 | Torhal | So there's to be a show at BlizzCon? |
| 06:16.55 | Thunder_Child | Yea, and some stuff on stage. |
| 06:17.13 | Torhal | ... |
| 06:19.00 | Constie | I wish I could go to BlizzCon. Even if it wouldn't be an insane expense for me it's never at a good time. |
| 06:19.47 | Thunder_Child | Wuss. |
| 06:21.22 | Cairenn | I love you guys. :p |
| 06:28.42 | Kalroth | We love you right back, Cairenn! |
| 06:28.57 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 06:37.37 | Jamash | relaxok: you want this via email or pastebin? |
| 06:42.02 | Thunder_Child | You shouldn't post nudes on pastebin. |
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| 06:45.13 | relaxok | Jamash: pastebin! |
| 06:45.42 | Jamash | you should always post nudes on pastebin |
| 06:47.22 | Jamash | http://pastebin.com/7D2W8N7r |
| 06:48.12 | Jamash | I used EVENT as a keyword to filter out other debug messages from my addon, took out COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED because it's spam and replaced people's names on my friend list with ~~~ |
| 06:48.38 | Jamash | otherwise that's what you get from the moment ADDON_LOADED fires for my addon and I start saving stuff to the SV file |
| 06:48.54 | relaxok | great thanks |
| 06:49.10 | Jamash | I could of course log stuff from before that but I've never found it necessary so I haven't bothered rejiggering it to save stuff to a temporary location then move it to SV |
| 06:49.30 | Jamash | that's a level 3 paladin logging in to camp narache |
| 06:49.39 | relaxok | that is fucking awesome |
| 06:49.42 | relaxok | i needed this so badly |
| 06:49.56 | relaxok | UPDATE_FLOATING_CHAT_WINDOWS does indeed happen =) |
| 06:51.39 | Jamash | I have this kind of logging precisely because I needed it myself, so I feel your pain :D |
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| 07:08.07 | Gethe | what would be a good way to learn metatables? |
| 07:09.47 | Gethe | specificly, I want to make a custom statusbar api that mirrors the default |
| 07:10.56 | Neffi | the reference manual |
| 07:11.01 | Neffi | why do you need metatables? |
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| 07:12.51 | Semlar | you can make a status bar and add whatever you want to the frame's table |
| 07:12.54 | Neffi | Gethe: http://www.lua.org/pil/13.html (use the arrow to read the whole chapter) |
| 07:13.04 | Neffi | that's probably the best read you'll find on them |
| 07:13.16 | Neffi | but yeah you dont need metatables to do this |
| 07:13.21 | Gethe | i honestly dont know if i do need them for |
| 07:14.53 | Neffi | you dont |
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| 07:32.15 | Semlar | why so meta neffi |
| 07:33.54 | Neffi | because I drank all the rum, Semlar |
| 07:34.11 | Semlar | all of it? |
| 07:34.27 | Neffi | yeah |
| 07:34.30 | Dagmar | Mine seems to still be here. |
| 07:35.16 | Dagmar | I'm more of a collector than a drinker. |
| 07:35.39 | Neffi | can I come.. uhh... look at.. your collection? ;) |
| 07:36.09 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure there's enough up there over the fridge to kill someone |
| 07:36.53 | Semlar | so dagmar has the rum |
| 07:37.24 | Dagmar | I've got Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, Sky, Smirnoff black, Sailor Jerry, Captain Morgan, Jaegermeister, three to five bottles of sake... |
| 07:37.28 | Neffi | I'll pace myself |
| 07:38.15 | Dagmar | Heh I forgot them at a place I lived in in the late 90's |
| 07:38.31 | Semlar | probably all the drinking |
| 07:38.53 | Dagmar | We knew the guy who moved in after us... He had recently converted to Judaism and had stumbled across the 12" Christmas Tree we left over the fridge |
| 07:39.28 | Dagmar | I was explaining to him my _jewish_ girlfriend had given it to me, and then he opened the _other cabinet_ |
| 07:39.35 | Dagmar | "SWEET MOTHER OF GOD!" |
| 07:39.46 | Neffi | :D |
| 07:40.16 | Dagmar | I'm on the phone going "What!? WHAT IS IT!" thinking there was a human head up there or something |
| 07:40.57 | Semlar | like it was a possibility that you may have left one behind |
| 07:41.05 | Constie | "Not again!" |
| 07:41.12 | Dagmar | Dude we had a full store manican |
| 07:41.21 | Dagmar | Dressed in "stuff" |
| 07:41.36 | Semlar | human skin? |
| 07:41.36 | Dagmar | Soo many weird things in that house |
| 07:41.40 | Constie | Mannequin? |
| 07:41.59 | Dagmar | No, just vaguely cyberpunk armor looking stuff |
| 07:42.11 | Dagmar | ...but it would scare the hell out of guests at night |
| 07:42.43 | Dagmar | A real human head might be out of the question but a realistic fake one wasn't |
| 07:43.31 | Dagmar | We got the mannequin fairly damaged and for awhile it had a sawhorse blinker for a head |
| 07:44.24 | Dagmar | There's a degree to which my current landlady is useful as a measure of just how weird some of my stuff is |
| 07:44.50 | Dagmar | She saw my current Christmas tree. I had to tell her what it was. Her response was "Sure, I'll go with that" |
| 07:45.02 | Dagmar | It's just a cone covered in mirred segments like a disco ball. |
| 07:45.18 | Semlar | do you just always have christmas trees everywhere |
| 07:45.27 | Dagmar | I don't think she much cares for my skull. |
| 07:45.32 | Dagmar | No, you only need one right... but what do you do with it when it's not Christmas? |
| 07:45.42 | Semlar | i think at some point it stops being a christmas tree |
| 07:45.54 | Dagmar | If you're a bachelor you find something that is a not-real-tree that's reasonably portable |
| 07:45.57 | Constie | Release it into the wild. |
| 07:46.21 | Semlar | i mean if it's up all the time it's just a tree |
| 07:46.32 | Dagmar | I tried to explain that I have the skull so I can put a projector in it, and then a raspberrry pie... |
| 07:46.46 | Dagmar | ...and realized I wasn't doing myself any favors by continuing to talk. |
| 07:48.01 | Dagmar | The security monitor wigged her out a bit as it is |
| 07:48.16 | Dagmar | A screen with one large eyeball on it |
| 07:48.27 | Dagmar | ...that follows you around the room (more or less) |
| 07:48.31 | Dagmar | It's tied to MythMinder zones |
| 07:49.33 | Dagmar | It's _functional_ in that if someone breaks in here, I'm damn well getting high quality pictures of them |
| 07:49.43 | Neffi | you're putting a projector in a skull? |
| 07:49.52 | Dagmar | It's just the end result is apparently a little bit _weird_ for most people. Heh |
| 07:49.56 | Dagmar | Neffi: Yes. |
| 07:50.09 | Neffi | do you wear a trench coat Dagmar? |
| 07:50.12 | Dagmar | I got this absolutely terrible EyeClops projector for like $30 refurbed |
| 07:50.18 | Dagmar | Neffi: No comment. |
| 07:50.20 | Semlar | whose skull was it |
| 07:50.33 | Dagmar | Damned if I know. It's plastic |
| 07:50.51 | Dagmar | I do know from experience to not put a coating of plaster of paris on a fake skull |
| 07:50.58 | Dagmar | Cops react badly |
| 07:51.53 | Dagmar | Neffi: I'm not sure if I'll ever solve the wireless charging issue, but I've got the back cut out and the projector ready to mount poking out the left eye socket, and a USB camera that's going to go in the other |
| 07:52.45 | Dagmar | The things I build do not always make a lot of sense. Hehe |
| 07:53.29 | Dagmar | However, the idea of a voice-activated PDA that happens to look like a skull really appeals to me |
| 07:55.30 | Neffi | o.o |
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| 07:56.23 | Semlar | is that why the cops are keeping an eye on you? |
| 07:56.33 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 07:56.35 | Dagmar | Usually. |
| 07:57.01 | Dagmar | As a rule I'm never up to anything nefarious |
| 07:57.25 | Semlar | it sounds to me like you're always up to something nefarious |
| 07:57.56 | Dagmar | If I were up to something nefarious I'd still be making weapons. |
| 07:58.04 | Neffi | 'still' |
| 07:59.12 | Dagmar | In college some people were making tennis ball cannons. |
| 07:59.57 | Dagmar | I decided to make one... I added a pistol grip, an electrolytic grill lighter, and a laser sight. |
| 08:01.05 | Dagmar | These guys are squirting in lighter fluid, switching it around, dropping in the tennis ball and then firing it with a bic |
| 08:01.16 | Dagmar | s/switching/swishing/ |
| 08:01.37 | Dagmar | I'm just "Insert ball, pull trigger" |
| 08:01.59 | Dagmar | I made a freaking taser when I was still in high school |
| 08:02.57 | Dagmar | I would like to say "weapons freak people out" but i'm pretty sure a talking skull is also in the same list |
| 08:03.26 | Dagmar | ...but there's a lot of rather psychedelic stuff you can do with a webcam and projector |
| 08:04.35 | Dagmar | This is mainly just PoC tho. The eyeclops was about as bright as a incandescent penlight when I got it, and replacing the LEDs that drive it with far better ones only gets you so far |
| 08:05.02 | Dagmar | I'm not really interested in spending ten times that much for a pico |
| 08:05.19 | Dagmar | ..although it's very doable. |
| 08:06.04 | Dagmar | I am a serious threat to patents and warranties. |
| 08:07.20 | Dagmar | I finally got some EL wire in this afternoon and hopefully I will be able to put it to use with my drone without anyone calling in a UFO sighting or something |
| 08:08.02 | Dagmar | That'll happen later. :) |
| 08:08.23 | Alram | oh so that was you this morning |
| 08:08.24 | Alram | phew |
| 08:08.33 | Alram | i thought it was the nsa :< |
| 08:08.38 | Alram | damn drones |
| 08:09.01 | Dagmar | Dude people get really insane about those things |
| 08:09.15 | Dagmar | So it's a freaking toy helicopter with basically, a webcam on it |
| 08:09.18 | Dagmar | Big deal. |
| 08:09.36 | Dagmar | Some woman in Lavergne saw one and acted like it could see your underwear or something |
| 08:10.47 | Neffi | it can't? |
| 08:11.02 | Dagmar | Um... Not without some modification |
| 08:11.30 | Dagmar | It has a CCD camera, so... |
| 08:11.49 | Dagmar | Night vision? No problem. Six IR LEDs and some button cells. |
| 08:12.07 | Dagmar | ...but there is absolutely _nothing_ stealthy about them. |
| 08:12.09 | d[karl]b | the next great advancement in modern technology will be a plastic milk bottle that doesn't leak when you lay it on its side |
| 08:12.20 | Dagmar | A sippy jug? |
| 08:12.59 | karl_w_w | no i mean the bottle you buy the milk in from the shops |
| 08:13.16 | Dagmar | Dont those have screw tops? |
| 08:13.19 | Neffi | yeah dont lay those on their sides |
| 08:13.55 | Dagmar | Mine never leak |
| 08:14.01 | karl_w_w | mine always leak |
| 08:14.24 | Dagmar | Screw the cap down, then. |
| 08:14.35 | karl_w_w | usually not a lot, but there'll be a ~2cm puddle if you leave them on their side in the fridge |
| 08:14.45 | karl_w_w | this is the unopened bottle |
| 08:15.25 | Dagmar | Heck I usually put the OJ and tomato juice in sideways all the time |
| 08:17.47 | Semlar | an unopened milk bottle that's leaking has a broken seal which isn't a good sign |
| 08:18.57 | Dagmar | Yeah I would think so |
| 08:19.13 | karl_w_w | they don't really have a seal |
| 08:19.32 | Semlar | if it's leaking it means it's exposed to the air |
| 08:19.38 | Semlar | which means bacteria can get into it |
| 08:19.51 | Semlar | and you don't know how long it's been like that |
| 08:20.10 | karl_w_w | it's probably air tight but not water tight |
| 08:20.26 | karl_w_w | its a very slow leak |
| 08:20.41 | Dagmar | Ah... |
| 08:20.55 | Dagmar | Here, a gallon of milk has a life expectancy of about 3-4 days |
| 08:21.10 | Semlar | here it's substantially longer |
| 08:21.33 | Semlar | it's been pasteurized so heavily you could probably leave it out of the refrigerator in a sealed container |
| 08:21.48 | Dagmar | WEll, I mean, in 3-4 days, I've drank it all |
| 08:21.54 | karl_w_w | well the litre i just bought has 2 weeks on it |
| 08:22.20 | Dagmar | The metric system is making your milk leak. |
| 08:22.25 | karl_w_w | and this one is a tetrapak so yay |
| 08:22.33 | Semlar | tetris? |
| 08:22.48 | Semlar | have you been stacking them? |
| 08:22.51 | Semlar | is that why it's sideways |
| 08:22.52 | sb | karl_w_w: its even several months (room temperature) |
| 08:22.55 | Dagmar | Four bottles I think he means |
| 08:23.07 | karl_w_w | tetra attack* sorry typo |
| 08:23.43 | Semlar | attack milk? |
| 08:23.48 | karl_w_w | surely you guys have those cardboard bottles |
| 08:23.53 | Dagmar | Um... no. |
| 08:24.06 | Dagmar | Our milk comes in large plastic gallon jugs. |
| 08:24.10 | Semlar | hang on, i've heard they have bagged milk in canada |
| 08:24.18 | karl_w_w | http://www.intcorecycling.com/pics/a-16.jpg |
| 08:24.38 | Neffi | oh yes we do |
| 08:24.46 | karl_w_w | milk comes in ~1 pint in those exclusively |
| 08:24.47 | Dagmar | http://www.productshooters.com/site/images/purity-gallon-milk.jpg |
| 08:24.49 | Neffi | but the plastic jugs are far more common |
| 08:25.03 | karl_w_w | 1 litre tends to be either tetra or plastic |
| 08:25.07 | Neffi | why the hell if your milk yellow, Dagmar? |
| 08:25.09 | Dagmar | Half-gallon http://static.caloriecount.about.com/images/medium/purity-dairies-milk-nonfat-79451.jpg |
| 08:25.13 | karl_w_w | 2 litres and up is always plastic |
| 08:25.19 | Dagmar | The plastic is opaque to keep light out |
| 08:25.38 | Dagmar | No one here except hippies puts milk in cardboard bottles |
| 08:25.42 | Semlar | light degrades milk, or it would if the milk weren't already pretty much destroyed by the pasteurization process |
| 08:25.44 | Neffi | not a good color to make the jug, really |
| 08:25.47 | Neffi | does not look ok |
| 08:25.59 | karl_w_w | i love the cardboard ones |
| 08:26.15 | karl_w_w | i also love laughing at people that cant open them |
| 08:26.24 | karl_w_w | unless they opened my bottle |
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| 08:27.01 | Dagmar | Hippie milk --> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-waI8SKFU7I/S9MBUde_ApI/AAAAAAAABmM/bdTftLImGzA/s1600/green+monster+009.JPG |
| 08:27.12 | karl_w_w | the shape is especially good for fitting them in the fridge door |
| 08:27.20 | Dagmar | Somewhere on the back it probably says "Contains less than 5% actual milk" |
| 08:27.37 | Semlar | 0% organic? that seems like an odd thing to advertise |
| 08:27.46 | Dagmar | 0% fat. |
| 08:27.49 | Semlar | o |
| 08:27.58 | Semlar | just water then? |
| 08:28.06 | Dagmar | In other words, watery godawful milk that's barely suitable for cooking with |
| 08:28.10 | karl_w_w | a lot of the milk here is in a 'permeate free' fad |
| 08:28.19 | Semlar | who drinks anything but whole milk |
| 08:28.36 | Dagmar | People who hate flavor |
| 08:28.45 | Dagmar | 2% is as low as I'll go |
| 08:28.52 | Neffi | 1 or 2% here |
| 08:29.05 | Semlar | i only drink 100% fat |
| 08:29.11 | Neffi | because I like to drink a lot of milk |
| 08:29.18 | Semlar | soo |
| 08:29.24 | karl_w_w | milk is all i drink ever |
| 08:29.33 | Dagmar | I'd buy sweet, sweet acidophilus but I prefer not weighing 225lb |
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| 08:30.01 | karl_w_w | the milk i just got is apparently 3.6% fat |
| 08:30.06 | karl_w_w | http://brownesdairy.com.au/products/milk/full-cream-milk/ |
| 08:30.10 | Semlar | i actually just drink butter |
| 08:30.15 | Dagmar | heh |
| 08:30.19 | Neffi | isn't 3.5% standard whole milk? |
| 08:30.26 | karl_w_w | i guess so |
| 08:30.45 | karl_w_w | you americans seem to know the percentages more than us |
| 08:30.51 | Neffi | I hear they sell 4-5% milk in the UK |
| 08:31.01 | Semlar | they also probably sell actual milk over there |
| 08:31.08 | Dagmar | high-gravity milk. ;) |
| 08:31.10 | Semlar | they have farms and stuff |
| 08:31.26 | Dagmar | Purity is headquartered here |
| 08:31.37 | Neffi | we have farms too. about two weeks ago I went to a dairy farm where they sell home-made ice cream from their own milk |
| 08:31.44 | Semlar | i don't even know where i'd have to go to get fresh milk |
| 08:31.49 | Neffi | the place smelled so god-damn bad, but it was worth it |
| 08:31.58 | karl_w_w | nobody here drinks skim milk, which is the stuff with basically no fat |
| 08:32.12 | karl_w_w | it's all what we call hi-lo which is ~1.5% or full fat |
| 08:32.35 | Neffi | yeah, in the US we know it as "1%", "2%" or "whole" |
| 08:32.36 | Semlar | well 2% is low fat |
| 08:32.46 | karl_w_w | http://brownesdairy.com.au/products/milk/lactose-free/ what |
| 08:33.00 | Dagmar | Probably soy milk |
| 08:33.06 | Semlar | you can introduce something to break down the lactose in milk |
| 08:33.20 | Dagmar | I was under the impression 2% was "reduced fat" and 1% was "low fat" |
| 08:33.23 | Neffi | read the page |
| 08:34.02 | Dagmar | That's what the page says they do |
| 08:34.03 | Semlar | people who are lactose intolerant don't produce lactase in their gut, so there you go |
| 08:34.22 | karl_w_w | i feel so sorry for lactose intolerant people |
| 08:34.26 | Gethe | ^ |
| 08:34.28 | Semlar | it's actually the "normal" state |
| 08:34.35 | karl_w_w | i would prefer to be deaf than lactose intolerant |
| 08:34.40 | Semlar | the majority of people are lactose intolerant |
| 08:34.56 | Gethe | evolution ftw |
| 08:35.05 | Dagmar | Since when/ |
| 08:35.11 | Gethe | <3 lactose |
| 08:35.16 | Dagmar | My entire elementary school drank milk with lunch |
| 08:35.26 | Neffi | lactose tolerance is a fairly recent development |
| 08:35.30 | Semlar | your entire elementary school was probably white people descended from europeans |
| 08:35.31 | Dagmar | There were like two kids who were lactose intolerant and had to drink the weird fruit punch |
| 08:35.36 | karl_w_w | I believe everyone would be lactose intolerant just like most other mammals, if we didn't keep drinking milk after we were children |
| 08:36.04 | Dagmar | Well, there were some black people there |
| 08:36.14 | Neffi | the Europeans evolved the capability to digest lactose into adulthood. not sure if other populations also developed it |
| 08:36.31 | Dagmar | IIRC in the sixth grade we got "an" asian kid. |
| 08:36.37 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:36.47 | Neffi | in fact I'm pretty sure a few other populations did independently develop it, but there are a few that never did |
| 08:37.01 | karl_w_w | my high school was 65% indian and pakistani |
| 08:37.38 | Semlar | the northern europeans developed the ability to digest lactose because it was a lot easier to take cows and sheep with your across the grassy plains and live off their milk than it was to slaughter them for meat |
| 08:38.04 | karl_w_w | so laziness ftw? |
| 08:38.05 | relaxok | are highlights drawn after button text or before? |
| 08:38.19 | Neffi | karl_w_w: more a matter of limited resources than laziness |
| 08:38.22 | Cairenn | ~laziness |
| 08:38.22 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 08:38.31 | Neffi | you can kill a cow and eat for a few weeks, or drink its milk for a few years |
| 08:38.39 | Semlar | right |
| 08:38.51 | Semlar | and milk is super dense in nutritients |
| 08:38.57 | Semlar | it's almost a perfect food |
| 08:39.18 | Neffi | it's believed that the ability to process milk into adulthood saved the European population from extinction |
| 08:40.00 | Semlar | on the other hand, a lot of cultures developed fermented dairy products |
| 08:40.04 | Dagmar | That sort of makes me feel like we're even with the Indians because their spices wreck us |
| 08:40.11 | Semlar | because it broke down the lactose in the process |
| 08:40.21 | Semlar | and they didn't have refrigerators |
| 08:40.38 | Neffi | as somebody with a best friend who's west Indian, Dagmar, you just havent eaten enough of them! |
| 08:40.51 | karl_w_w | indian food is the best |
| 08:40.51 | Semlar | that's barbaric neffi |
| 08:40.57 | Neffi | you build up a tolerance to their gut-wrenching spices if you just stick with it |
| 08:40.57 | Dagmar | It still freaks me out to see this little indian girl I know get lunch at Bongo and just _slather_ cock sauce on it |
| 08:40.58 | Semlar | you shouldn't eat indians |
| 08:41.15 | Semlar | what, cock sauce? |
| 08:41.28 | karl_w_w | yeah I would be pretty freaked out by litlle girls slathering cock sauce as well |
| 08:41.36 | Neffi | Semlar: cock sauce = sriracha i think |
| 08:41.43 | Dagmar | Yes. Very. |
| 08:41.44 | Dagmar | https://www.google.com/search?q=cock+sauce |
| 08:41.49 | Semlar | i'm not clicking that |
| 08:41.59 | Dagmar | It's FINE if you have safe search on |
| 08:42.16 | karl_w_w | dagmar just went on an FBI watchlist |
| 08:42.18 | Dagmar | Safe search is very, very good about helping you avoid unfortunately search results. |
| 08:42.30 | Semlar | as if he wasn't already on all the lists |
| 08:42.42 | Dagmar | A couple weeks ago I got away with searching for "famous dicks". |
| 08:42.49 | karl_w_w | turning off safesearch is the first thing I ever do |
| 08:42.50 | Dagmar | I double-checked it was on first. |
| 08:42.56 | karl_w_w | before even installing an OS |
| 08:44.21 | Dagmar | There's a rooster right on the bottle |
| 08:44.29 | karl_w_w | searching for famous dicks with no safesearch gives results 1, 2, and 10 having no relation to penises |
| 08:44.38 | Dagmar | ...and like five words in English, not counting the FDA label |
| 08:46.01 | Dagmar | I get Dick Clark, Dick Butkus, Richard Nixon, Liam Neeson (no idea), Dick Cheney, Andy Dick, etc. |
| 08:46.13 | Dagmar | Pretty much what I was looking for, actually. |
| 08:46.27 | Dagmar | I told someone I would put dicks on their website if they used live code. |
| 08:46.33 | Semlar | this is turning into a sausage fest |
| 08:46.41 | Dagmar | Capital letters are so hard to pronounce. |
| 08:46.42 | Semlar | neffi i should go to sleep |
| 08:46.48 | karl_w_w | "In her autobiography No Lifeguard on Duty, Janice Dickinson wrote of her ex-boyfriend Liam Neeson, saying he had "the biggest penis of any man alive. He unzipped his pants and an Evian bottle fell out."" |
| 08:47.16 | Dagmar | Okay, I suppose now I know why Liam Neeson is in there. |
| 08:47.41 | Dagmar | ...but as Qui-Gon Jinn it's not very obvious. |
| 08:49.41 | karl_w_w | apparently president johnson also had a very large member |
| 08:49.43 | karl_w_w | how fitting |
| 08:49.56 | Dagmar | Etymology. |
| 08:53.07 | Dagmar | If someone weren't flogging that name it would have as much fallen out of use as "Roger" |
| 08:54.53 | Neffi | Semlar: you should go to sleep |
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| 12:27.53 | Constie | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14609531020 |
| 12:28.21 | Constie | I really didn't ever expect that I would one day hear "slap in the face" with regard to addon developers. |
| 12:28.39 | Fisker | feeds Lopeppeppy breakfast |
| 12:29.05 | Stanzilla | just because the guy fails to find beta versions of addons :< |
| 12:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles everybody. |
| 12:36.56 | Fisker | :O |
| 12:39.39 | sb | whats wrong with that guy? |
| 12:41.11 | Lopeppeppy | So you're slapping him around because...you don't have beta addons? I am confused! |
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| 12:52.54 | zenzelezz | http://simplepimple.com/2013/11/artist-builds-chinese-tank-using-only-empty-bullet-shells-10-pictures/ - now that's a piece of art |
| 12:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | Very nicely done. |
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| 13:55.50 | karl_w_w | Constie, your comment deserves more upvotes |
| 14:07.31 | mitch0 | Constie: ++ :) |
| 14:11.56 | karl_w_w | I once incremented a man |
| 14:20.46 | Miiru | my brain says you worte excremented |
| 14:22.11 | karl_w_w | I may have done that as well |
| 14:27.29 | mitch0 | "PostgreSQL Outperforms MongoDB In New Round of Tests" <- so postgres is web-scale now? |
| 14:27.51 | nevcairiel | nah, mongodb simply isnt anymore |
| 14:28.09 | nevcairiel | have to change the reference! |
| 14:30.28 | Dagmar | It doesn't stop people from using it for web-connected projects. |
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| 15:19.31 | Constie | I think that's my most downvoted post ever. New record! |
| 15:27.59 | Constie | I was actually going to go and find the WoWI beta category as well to actually be a little helpful, but I had to run to class. RIP. |
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| 16:18.40 | Fisker | corrupts Arrowmaster |
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| 16:44.35 | karl_w_w | wow really |
| 16:45.05 | karl_w_w | people are breaking their iphone 6s when sitting down with them in their pocket |
| 16:46.16 | karl_w_w | best comment so far: "iPhones are finally as delicate as their owners." zing |
| 16:47.57 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 16:49.10 | Arrowmaster | my phones and tablets have never gotten so much as a scratch on them |
| 16:49.58 | karl_w_w | so you're not an iDevice user :P |
| 16:50.08 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 16:50.47 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: calling iphones delicate, isn't that bending the truth a bit? |
| 16:50.58 | Arrowmaster | is that a pun |
| 16:52.40 | smcn | my iphone 4 that i've had since day 1 of verizon getting them is practically flawless |
| 16:53.19 | smcn | i think ppl are just used to being able to be clumsy, i blame plastic |
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| 17:18.34 | nebula169 | i think it's funny how people talk about the bending thing so much, yes consumers are idiots, but the same shit happened with the first gen of larger android phones.. i know so many people that fucked up their brand new evo 4g just by having it in their pocket |
| 17:20.36 | Constie | What I'm hearing is "Don't be an early adopter". |
| 17:20.39 | Dagmar | THat's not an excuse. It's 2014. |
| 17:21.32 | karl_w_w | how does that make consumers idiots |
| 17:21.41 | Dagmar | ...although I have come to understand that the only way Apple people fell they get a fair shake is when they compare their product to something from 2-5 years ago. |
| 17:21.51 | Dagmar | s/fell/feel/ |
| 17:22.02 | karl_w_w | if you sell a phone that can't be put in a pocket the phone is not fit for purpose |
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| 17:22.55 | Dagmar | Knowing how much margin is in those phones, an aluminum frame was a cheapskate move |
| 17:23.35 | Constie | Or at the very least you should market the phone as a revolutionizing new kind of phone that you'll never want to put in your pocket. |
| 17:23.51 | Dagmar | ...or have in your pocket. |
| 17:23.55 | Dagmar | ...or be caught with. |
| 17:24.31 | nebula169 | right instead of bending, the android phones just had their glass shatter and split down the middle. you should probably take your giant ass phablet out of your pants if you're going to be sitting for any period of time is all i was saying |
| 17:24.36 | Torhal | catches Dagmar with an iPhone 6 using careful aim. |
| 17:25.33 | Dagmar | sneers |
| 17:25.43 | Stanzilla | dey mad |
| 17:26.04 | Dagmar | If I'm going to spend >$600 on something, I research it _very_ carefully. |
| 17:27.22 | Fisker | not really nebula169 |
| 17:27.38 | nevcairiel | nebula169: one could argue that the force required to bend is lower than the force required to actually shatter the device |
| 17:28.01 | Fisker | also evo 3g didn't bend |
| 17:28.10 | Fisker | 4g* |
| 17:28.15 | nevcairiel | also, while for example the samsung plastic phablets do bend, they bend back once you remvoe the force |
| 17:28.24 | Fisker | You won't really see that with any android phone except sony |
| 17:28.41 | Fisker | since they're only ones stupid enough to insist on pretty much full aluminium build |
| 17:28.56 | nebula169 | it didn't bend so much as crack through the center of it |
| 17:29.14 | nebula169 | the nexus 4 had issue with it's back shattering from bending force |
| 17:30.22 | Fisker | I don't see your point |
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| 17:31.05 | infamousX | anyone else watching the EU arena worlds? |
| 17:31.22 | Stanzilla | no because WoW arena is pathetic :p |
| 17:31.30 | nebula169 | no real point other than people that lack common sense tend to fuck up their toys |
| 17:31.30 | nevcairiel | the one thing worse than actually playing arena is watching arena |
| 17:31.43 | Fisker | The only ones watching arena are playing it |
| 17:31.45 | Fisker | booooom |
| 17:32.01 | nevcairiel | that doesnt invalidate my statement |
| 17:32.03 | infamousX | way to make me feel welcome |
| 17:32.04 | nebula169 | i didn't even know there was a tournament going on |
| 17:32.39 | Stanzilla | I only did because the twitch main site switched to it during LoL Worlds break |
| 17:32.40 | Constie | The only WoW PvP I enjoy is killing MC'd raid members. |
| 17:33.04 | nevcairiel | does the reagent bank unlock with 6.0, or does it need WoD? |
| 17:33.09 | infamousX | You like League but don't like WoW arena? lol |
| 17:33.13 | Fisker | I don't see how it's lacking common sense nebula169 |
| 17:33.48 | infamousX | If you don't like PvP there's no reason to trash people that like it |
| 17:33.52 | infamousX | Same thing with PvE |
| 17:34.08 | nevcairiel | we didnt trash people, we trashed pvp |
| 17:34.17 | Fisker | As far as I can see the evo 4g broke because you sat on it, which I can agree is lacking common sense |
| 17:34.43 | Fisker | I don't believe the iphone reports were exclusively sitting on them, if at all that |
| 17:34.51 | infamousX | I don't like PvE but I don't bitch about the raid at Blizzcon |
| 17:35.02 | infamousX | just saying there's no reason for it. we're playing the same game |
| 17:35.12 | nevcairiel | someone is easily butthurt |
| 17:35.27 | Primer | I find it's mostly the PVEers that get butthurt |
| 17:35.40 | infamousX | just sick of it cause whenever I mention PvP in here people jump at my throat and it's entirely unnecessary. |
| 17:35.42 | Primer | Just because you're in the majority |
| 17:36.01 | nevcairiel | hey, look at him, we just expressed our feelings about arena, and he gets all upset and defensive |
| 17:36.02 | nevcairiel | not us |
| 17:36.40 | infamousX | you'd be saying the same things if the majority of the irc was PvP and every time you said something about it all they do is bash it |
| 17:36.46 | infamousX | just saying |
| 17:37.24 | nevcairiel | i would just look for a place with like-minded people if i wanted to discuss such a topic |
| 17:37.55 | infamousX | It was a question about anyone else watching the stream. I shouldn't have to look for a seperate IRC to ask an off-topic question |
| 17:38.33 | Primer | ok, ubuntu's pushed 3 bash updates already...wtf |
| 17:39.36 | Primer | apparently so has Debian...sigh... |
| 17:39.52 | Primer | yes, I know, ubuntu is a Debian derivative... |
| 17:40.02 | infamousX | I was about to say that haha |
| 17:40.10 | nevcairiel | well the first upstream patch apparently didnt solve the problem |
| 17:40.20 | nevcairiel | no idea where the third comes from |
| 17:40.24 | nevcairiel | maybe debian screwed up |
| 17:41.04 | Semlar | maybe they just like patches |
| 17:41.19 | Primer | apparently |
| 17:41.25 | infamousX | lol Semlar |
| 17:41.33 | infamousX | "Let's push a patch cause we can" :D |
| 17:41.50 | Semlar | that sounds like linux |
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| 17:42.37 | Constie | Apparently the bug's been there for more than two decades. That's kind of crazy. |
| 17:43.02 | nevcairiel | much of the linux stuff is just that old |
| 17:53.54 | Arrowmaster | lol http://youtu.be/uIf9GdCzY_Y |
| 17:57.18 | Constie | I used Bash today, and it was originally released when I was a little over one year old. Freaky. |
| 17:58.07 | Semlar | how much has it changed since then |
| 17:58.32 | haste | nice Arrowmaster :D |
| 17:59.00 | haste | Constie: 2014 is really the year of old exploits |
| 17:59.19 | Arrowmaster | bash barely ever changes until it has to adapt because other shells are stealing all the users, like bash 4.0 |
| 17:59.39 | Arrowmaster | and it does those changes terribly |
| 18:00.02 | Arrowmaster | ** globing isnt enabled by default after it was added so whats the fucking point |
| 18:00.43 | Semlar | can you detect if a spell has a targeting circle from its spell id? |
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| 18:07.32 | zekesonxx | Okay I've become incredibly annoyed trying to find this so maybe one of you can help |
| 18:07.53 | zekesonxx | Is it possible to contact the internet (ie http request) from an addon? |
| 18:07.58 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:08.03 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 18:08.23 | zekesonxx | Well that's stupid but at least my search can end |
| 18:08.50 | zekesonxx | Any way to get info in/out other than an external program reading config files? |
| 18:09.06 | nevcairiel | no external communication of any kind, except the saved variables file |
| 18:09.19 | nevcairiel | which of course only updates on reload ui |
| 18:09.31 | zekesonxx | Okay that's incredibly stupid |
| 18:09.33 | zekesonxx | Thanks |
| 18:09.42 | Gragagrogog | you can do protected lua injection |
| 18:09.51 | TC-Work | No, it has a purpose. |
| 18:10.03 | Gragagrogog | but thats prolly against this irc rules... |
| 18:10.10 | TC-Work | It may not be what you want, but it is there for a reason. |
| 18:10.47 | zekesonxx | Yeah I can see the reasoning behind it |
| 18:13.02 | zekesonxx | Well there goes all of my plans *sigh* |
| 18:13.46 | *** part/#wowuidev zekesonxx (~zekesonxx@198.199.82.112) |
| 18:13.57 | Semlar | that's why i don't make plans |
| 18:14.06 | Semlar | i just drive aimlessly |
| 18:14.12 | nevcairiel | we notice |
| 18:14.14 | Semlar | drift around |
| 18:14.48 | TC-Work | Get some direction in your life Semlar. |
| 18:14.54 | Semlar | do i have to |
| 18:15.12 | TC-Work | No, but you should. |
| 18:16.05 | Semlar | can you detect a mouse click on the world frame without interfering with it |
| 18:16.22 | Semlar | actually that's a dumb question, you could hook the camera function |
| 18:16.35 | Semlar | i need to do it from the restricted environment |
| 18:16.54 | Semlar | i'm thinking that probably isn't going to happen |
| 18:17.08 | Gragagrogog | you could send keystrokes of buttons you dont use, ie F12 |
| 18:17.39 | Semlar | well i wrote a script that overrides a hotkey with the mouse click command but i want to reset it after it clicks |
| 18:17.46 | Gragagrogog | and F11... sending binary code |
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| 18:50.17 | Primer | FUCK |
| 18:50.18 | Primer | PULSE |
| 18:50.20 | Primer | AUDIO |
| 18:50.25 | Primer | Piece of fucking shit |
| 19:01.56 | TC-Work | Agreed. We have alsa running through pulse. |
| 19:02.55 | Primer | Say what? |
| 19:04.14 | TC-Work | We have pulse using alsa |
| 19:04.29 | Primer | duh |
| 19:04.34 | Primer | pulse can't talk to hardware |
| 19:04.52 | TC-Work | But things still report it as alsa |
| 19:05.11 | Primer | The only reason I'm using pulse is because of skype |
| 19:05.22 | Primer | because I need to talk to people over skype for work |
| 19:05.33 | Primer | and skype no longer supports alsa |
| 19:05.37 | TC-Work | The only reason we even have pulse was for multiplexing via onboard audio, but since that didn't work, it's now a pain in the ass. |
| 19:05.47 | TC-Work | We use skype with alsa. |
| 19:05.53 | TC-Work | I think |
| 19:05.55 | Primer | not newer versions you don't |
| 19:06.07 | TC-Work | 4.0? |
| 19:06.07 | Primer | They dropped alsa support. It's only pulse now |
| 19:06.23 | TC-Work | 4.0.0.7 is what I have. |
| 19:06.31 | Primer | that's old |
| 19:06.39 | TC-Work | Ah, let me upgrade. |
| 19:06.47 | Primer | don't |
| 19:07.29 | TC-Work | It's giving me 4.3.0.37 |
| 19:07.34 | TC-Work | as the newest. |
| 19:07.40 | Primer | that's what I have |
| 19:09.24 | TC-Work | Can't even install it. |
| 19:09.31 | TC-Work | Error: Package: skype-4.3.0.37-fc16.i586 (/skype-4.3.0.37-fedora.i586) |
| 19:09.32 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.32 | TC-Work | Error: Package: skype-4.3.0.37-fc16.i586 (/skype-4.3.0.37-fedora.i586) |
| 19:09.32 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.13 | TC-Work | Guess I'll try to build it. |
| 19:10.38 | Primer | good luck with that |
| 19:10.51 | Primer | note that's 32 bit |
| 19:11.13 | Primer | Don't tell me you're running a 32 bit machine? |
| 19:11.19 | Primer | I mean, kernel |
| 19:11.41 | TC-Work | No, but those are all the options I have on skypes site. |
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| 19:12.27 | Primer | yes, my skype is 32 bit too, but I'm running a 64 bit machine with added 32 bit libs |
| 19:12.40 | Primer | luckily my package manager was able to resolve all the deps |
| 19:12.46 | Primer | your shit must just be really old |
| 19:13.03 | TC-Work | Cent 6,4 |
| 19:13.06 | TC-Work | 6.4* |
| 19:13.20 | nevcairiel | so, yes, really old |
| 19:13.21 | TC-Work | Old enough that Google is not supporting chrome on it anymore. |
| 19:13.41 | nevcairiel | i wonder why they even bother with desktop support on centos |
| 19:14.01 | Primer | indeed |
| 19:15.28 | mikma | does wow have healthbar coloring by hp % ? |
| 19:22.15 | Jamash | no |
| 19:23.20 | Semlar | healthbars are colored by reaction |
| 19:24.26 | mikma | yeah, figures |
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| 20:22.54 | relaxok | dealing with these loose lua strings in <Scripts> is a real pain |
| 20:23.22 | foxlit | why? |
| 20:23.42 | relaxok | they need self set but a lot of times when parsing you dont know what the final frame's name is because it's inheriting etc |
| 20:23.55 | foxlit | So youâre doing it wrong. |
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| 20:24.12 | relaxok | well, my guess is you haven't done it at all |
| 20:24.13 | relaxok | so |
| 20:24.44 | relaxok | Jamash the event man |
| 20:25.20 | foxlit | So what you should be doing is transforming e.g. <OnClick>foo</OnClick> into loadstring(âreturn function(self, (actual OnClick signature here)) foo endâ), and storing that function. |
| 20:25.54 | foxlit | What youâre probably doing is loadstring(âself = SomeFrameReference; fooâ), in which case youâre obviously in for a world of hurt. |
| 20:27.09 | relaxok | where does it get that self then? |
| 20:27.51 | foxlit | From whatever you eventually use to call that handler. |
| 20:28.11 | foxlit | If itâs OnLoad, you should have a frame reference at the time youâre constructing the actual frame. |
| 20:28.22 | foxlit | If itâs OnClick, whatever is handling the click knows which frame itâs handling a click for. |
| 20:31.12 | relaxok | foxlit: when you say 'actual onclick signature here' what do you mean? |
| 20:31.21 | relaxok | if you're starting with just the loose string |
| 20:31.44 | foxlit | In addition to âselfâ, XML OnX handlers have other named arguments. You need to know those names, and the game doesnât really document them. |
| 20:32.20 | foxlit | those things, basically: http://wowpedia.org/Widget_handlers |
| 20:32.51 | relaxok | yeah i'm planning to do that |
| 20:33.37 | foxlit | so for <OnClick> print(down and âI pushedâ or âI releasedâ, button, âonâ, self:GetName()) </OnClick>, youâd get a sane handler function from loadstring([[return function(self, button, down) print(down and âI pushedâ or âI releasedâ, button, âonâ, self:GetName()) end]]() |
| 20:33.49 | relaxok | oh oh ok you were talking about the arguments |
| 20:33.50 | relaxok | yeah |
| 20:34.11 | relaxok | thanks, didn't really know about using function() |
| 20:35.31 | foxlit | which basically postpones the problem of figuring out arguments to the time when you actually want to call the handler â and thatâs when you should actually be able to them out. |
| 20:35.40 | relaxok | yeah totally |
| 20:37.42 | Semlar | foxlit do you know of a way to call a binding like CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE then rebind that key afterward |
| 20:39.10 | foxlit | you canât call bindings; period. |
| 20:39.31 | foxlit | (you being an addon, and call being securely) |
| 20:40.36 | Semlar | i have a key bound to the action and i want to rebind it to do something else afterward |
| 20:40.59 | Semlar | not call it, just change what's bound to the key |
| 20:41.11 | Semlar | like a castsequence |
| 20:41.52 | foxlit | What youâre actually doing is making a key thatâd switch between casting an AoE spell and forcing the world interaction required to target it. |
| 20:42.22 | Semlar | i have it casting the spell then clicking on the next key press, which works fine |
| 20:42.37 | Semlar | but i need to reset it back to casting the spell after the mouse click |
| 20:42.57 | Semlar | and the way i have it doing that right now is using the modifier keys |
| 20:43.04 | foxlit | no. This is very much by design, you canât really interact with bindings, because bindings interact with Seriously Scary Stuff. |
| 20:43.05 | Semlar | which is inconvenient |
| 20:43.40 | Semlar | oh well, i guess this is good enough the way it is |
| 20:43.51 | Semlar | but it restricts the binding to something with a modifier key |
| 20:44.12 | Semlar | i'd prefer if it worked with any key |
| 20:45.23 | Semlar | like i have ice trap on shift+7, it rebinds the key to click after it's cast and then binds it back to the spell after the modifier key is released |
| 20:47.36 | Semlar | i have to use a modifier because i can't detect when it should reset the sequence otherwise |
| 20:49.42 | Constie | GW2 ground targeting is really convenient. |
| 20:49.52 | Semlar | they should just change targeted spells to cast the second time you press the hotkey |
| 20:50.07 | foxlit | Constie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIlELJ0YsVM << I thought so to. |
| 20:50.11 | foxlit | s/to./too./ |
| 20:50.37 | Semlar | at least my method isn't hax |
| 20:50.44 | Constie | Yeah, that. |
| 20:52.22 | foxlit | meh, youâre blurring the line for hax there. |
| 20:52.41 | Semlar | did you do this entirely within the game and does it work in combat, because i see no way to call the click event without a separate keypress |
| 20:52.43 | foxlit | itâs about as intended as what youâre doing :) |
| 20:52.55 | foxlit | It works entirely within the game and in combat. |
| 20:52.59 | Semlar | mine's two separate hardware events |
| 20:53.05 | Semlar | which is totally within reason |
| 20:53.56 | Semlar | i don't see why you shouldn't be able to do it with one hardware event since clicking isn't something that causes a gcd or anything |
| 20:54.35 | foxlit | I donât think the distinction is meaningful; thereâs a single intended action (âcast this here!â) and a single hardware event. Next up: forbidding click-casting heals because âyou must target stuff first!" |
| 20:55.03 | Semlar | yeah, you can mouseover-cast heals on unit frames, this is practically the same thing |
| 20:55.10 | foxlit | And they really should just steal GW2âs AoE targetting options in their entirety. |
| 20:56.59 | Semlar | i basically call SetOverrideBinding on the key with CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE, then override that binding with the spell i want to cast, then clear that binding after you push it the first time |
| 20:57.22 | Semlar | so the second keypress is a mouse click |
| 20:58.45 | foxlit | yes; itâs technically boring. |
| 20:59.11 | Constie | They should steal a lot of things from GW2 and FF14. |
| 20:59.15 | Semlar | the only way i could see doing it in one press is if you could execute the binding and a button click at the same time or cast the spell on button down and click the mouse on button up or something |
| 20:59.22 | foxlit | you basically surrender the binding to a bindings.xml handler that eventually calls the relevant camera function. Unfortunately, you have no good way to get it back after itâs done |
| 20:59.33 | foxlit | or if someone decided that they donât want to cast anything right now. |
| 20:59.49 | Semlar | i rebind the key to the spell after you release the modifier key |
| 21:00.00 | Semlar | it's just a mod state driver |
| 21:00.04 | foxlit | see: âno *good* way" |
| 21:00.11 | Semlar | obviously it's not ideal |
| 21:01.11 | foxlit | what if I want to keep spamming Cluster Bomb? |
| 21:01.23 | foxlit | shift-7 shift-7 release shift shift-7 shift-7? |
| 21:01.39 | Semlar | cluster bomb? |
| 21:02.28 | foxlit | gw2 reference; the actual ability itself is not important to the behavior. |
| 21:03.05 | Semlar | basically every time you hit 7 while still holding shift it's going to mouse click after the first time until you release it |
| 21:03.11 | Semlar | and i think that should work with any player spells |
| 21:03.41 | Semlar | granted mouse clicking the world after the reticle disappears isn't intended behavior |
| 21:05.32 | Semlar | can you still do what you did in that video on live |
| 21:05.36 | foxlit | yes. |
| 21:06.07 | Semlar | are you exploiting any api functions that shouldn't behave the way they do |
| 21:07.24 | foxlit | there might be a reason this is a video and not a zip file. |
| 21:08.07 | foxlit | Then again, itâs not like Blizzard published documentation concerning what things should behave like (or what they do behave like, for that matter), so whoâs to say? |
| 21:08.55 | Semlar | you're shifting bindings though, right? |
| 21:09.01 | Semlar | i see no other way to do this |
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| 21:10.09 | Semlar | do you have a way to execute two actions with one binding? |
| 21:10.31 | foxlit | /cast Presence of Mind /cast Fireball? |
| 21:10.48 | foxlit | You canât really dispatch to a binding after /cast anyway. |
| 21:11.20 | Semlar | are you using CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE at all |
| 21:13.00 | foxlit | no. |
| 21:13.22 | Semlar | i see |
| 21:14.32 | Neffi | Note: the above macro doesnt work |
| 21:15.14 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.19 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.43 | foxlit | Amazing. Iâm reasonably sure you used to be able to AP-PoM-Pyroblast at some point. |
| 21:16.07 | Semlar | you definitely used to be able to pom pyro with one macro |
| 21:16.22 | Neffi | I've been playing mage alts here and there since Cata. My most recent alt was a mage. I'm sure you need to press the key twice whenever you're trying to PoM+something |
| 21:16.27 | foxlit | (or, for something closer to home, Natureâs Swiftness + Healing Touch) |
| 21:16.42 | Neffi | NS+Cyclone also needs two presses |
| 21:16.48 | Semlar | uhh |
| 21:16.50 | Neffi | Or at least it did in earlier MoP |
| 21:17.17 | Neffi | Same with Premed+Slice and Dice, or Premed+Recuperate |
| 21:17.22 | Semlar | i've never had to push the button twice to use something like that since that was the whole point of macroing them |
| 21:17.57 | Semlar | but i've only played my hunter for MoP so maybe they broke something |
| 21:18.04 | Neffi | Well either this is a recent development, or it's specific to these spells (and not other, similar spells) or for some reason the server singles me out |
| 21:18.19 | Neffi | Because I'm quite positive about this |
| 21:18.34 | Neffi | I literally use Premed+SnD like a hundred times a day |
| 21:18.43 | Neffi | -- when I play my rogue, at least |
| 21:19.12 | Semlar | premeditation is different because it's cast on a target, i'm not sure if it has a delay |
| 21:19.28 | Semlar | but nature's swiftness should definitely cast the spell it's macroed with |
| 21:19.32 | foxlit | I can PoM+Frostfire Bolt just fine. |
| 21:19.53 | Neffi | My feral druid was my main in late Cata and early MoP. I'm quite sure I needed to press it twice |
| 21:20.10 | Neffi | I distinctly remember thinking "wtf did I do wrong? this should work!" every time I tried to rework the macro |
| 21:20.17 | Semlar | well i've played a resto shaman and a druid all through bc and wrath and cata |
| 21:20.19 | foxlit | I donât think there should be any reason for Fireball/Pyro to be different; but not the right spec to check. |
| 21:20.48 | Neffi | foxlit: then I wonder wtf happened, because PoM+FFB definitely had be casting twice |
| 21:20.55 | Semlar | and nature's swiftness + a healing spell or brez were always instant |
| 21:21.19 | relaxok | foxlit: hmm.. i'm doing loadstring( blah ) where blah is "return function( self ) [stuff from <OnLoad> here] + end", storing a reference it with luaL_ref.. then getting the reference later on to the stack, then pushing self (a table).. when i check the stack, it's function then table.. when i pcall it though, the code in <OnLoad> isn't running.. i have an assert(false) at the top to confirm |
| 21:21.28 | relaxok | end not + end |
| 21:21.44 | foxlit | youâre doing handler = loadstring(âblahâ) |
| 21:21.50 | foxlit | you should be doing handler = loadstring("blah")() |
| 21:22.04 | relaxok | this is in the c api |
| 21:22.15 | foxlit | I donât care. Call the return value of loadstring again. |
| 21:22.22 | Neffi | yes, you still need to call it again to grab a reference to the wrapped function |
| 21:22.24 | Semlar | did you trick the game into letting you call protected api functions in a macro foxlit |
| 21:22.32 | Semlar | because that's hardly fair |
| 21:22.39 | relaxok | Neffi: how though? |
| 21:22.56 | relaxok | i mean i'm just using luaL_loadstring |
| 21:22.58 | Neffi | push it onto the stack, call() it, and then pull the returned function from the stack |
| 21:23.11 | Neffi | I forget the exact API names. Aren't you using the manual as a reference? |
| 21:23.12 | relaxok | oh christ |
| 21:23.14 | relaxok | yeah |
| 21:23.32 | Neffi | also you should probably store these things not in the registry, but in an object specific to the frame |
| 21:23.53 | Neffi | You can use the frame's userdata's environment in 5.1, or its uservalue in 5.2 |
| 21:24.07 | Neffi | both are tables that store stuff specific to that userdata |
| 21:24.55 | Neffi | Eg, the script belongs to a specific frame. From the point of view of the C API, you should consider the registry to be your own private global environment for things that are generally needed, not specifically owned by one object |
| 21:25.01 | fewyn | http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/showbiz/movies/bill-and-ted-3-alex-winter-keanu-reeves/index.html |
| 21:25.05 | fewyn | awwwww yeah |
| 21:26.17 | Neffi | Which also makes callbacks cleaner! All you need to do to fire a callback on a frame is push the frame, push its environment/uservalue, gettable(), and then call() |
| 21:26.42 | relaxok | yeah i want to do that at some point |
| 21:26.46 | relaxok | also have a metatable per frame type |
| 21:27.01 | relaxok | right now i have single UI element having the full function table |
| 21:27.23 | Neffi | storing all this frame-specific stuff in the registry means searching for it some way when you perform a callback. that's ugly and bug-prone. your callback dispatch shouldn't touch the registry, imo |
| 21:30.36 | relaxok | seems like i need to handle the actual eventhandling differently when its a loose function than when its not |
| 21:30.54 | relaxok | because if you just have <OnLoad function=""> you dont need to double pcall |
| 21:31.14 | relaxok | but it seems like there would be a way to do the same thing with those kinds of tags too |
| 21:31.30 | relaxok | can i just return the function in the above? |
| 21:31.31 | Neffi | if you wrap it like foxlit suggested, you're doing the pcall immediately (when you parse the XML tag), which returns the *actual* callback |
| 21:32.06 | foxlit | the function=ââ syntax is basically an instruction for you to look up a global when youâre creating the frame. |
| 21:32.11 | Neffi | after that phase is complete, there is no difference whatever in how the callback was define, be it a in a tag, a Lua global function, or through :SetScript |
| 21:33.17 | Neffi | I'd write some example code for you, but I'm not too great at C(++) and I don't remember much of the API off the top of my head. It'd probably take me just as long to show you waht I mean, than it will for you to figure it out |
| 21:34.00 | Neffi | In fact I don't even know if I remember how to write C(++) at all |
| 21:34.43 | relaxok | i think i get it, jsut trying some stuff |
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| 21:43.03 | DJJeff | is there a quick fix for this lua error in lib-fail 2.0 |
| 21:43.04 | DJJeff | https://bpaste.net/show/29dd7097e605 |
| 21:43.26 | DJJeff | the addon author is Maat |
| 21:43.30 | relaxok | almost there |
| 21:44.15 | DJJeff | also I saw in a youtube video regarding the WoD expansion I see they added |
| 21:44.25 | Neffi | DJJeff: looks like you have to rework it to use http://wowpedia.org/API_GetRaidDifficultyID |
| 21:44.33 | DJJeff | a volume slider for dialog why not one for addons |
| 21:44.42 | Neffi | not sure how the old function behaved, so it probably involves more code than just changing the name of the func |
| 21:45.13 | DJJeff | shocked it took them this long to add in a volume slider for dialog |
| 21:46.25 | DJJeff | also I just made a ticket for the addon @ http://www.wowace.com/addons/libfail-mop/tickets/6-mop-wod-expansions/ |
| 21:46.48 | relaxok | framexml is looking quite bad.. http://bh.polpo.org/ingame_ui_1.png |
| 21:47.22 | Semlar | probably not supporting texture coordinates |
| 21:48.45 | DJJeff | oh he is pretty backed up with tickets |
| 21:48.46 | DJJeff | http://www.wowace.com/profiles/Maat/tickets/ |
| 21:49.15 | nebula169 | i mean, you are running the cata version of the lib sooo |
| 21:49.27 | nebula169 | he versions things weird |
| 21:49.47 | nevcairiel | i think he isnt active anymore |
| 21:49.50 | DJJeff | oh is there a MoP version of the lib? |
| 21:50.00 | nebula169 | that page is the mop version :p |
| 21:50.39 | nebula169 | you're running an old version of ensidia fails that uses libfail-2.0 |
| 21:50.55 | relaxok | awesome |
| 21:50.57 | relaxok | working guys |
| 21:51.00 | relaxok | thanks a ton |
| 21:51.25 | relaxok | finally storing the function instead of the strings and dostringing them every time |
| 21:51.27 | DJJeff | nebula169, am I? |
| 21:51.49 | DJJeff | I am running r330 |
| 21:52.38 | relaxok | http://pastebin.com/qgWuNueF |
| 21:52.41 | DJJeff | oh maybe r330 does not need or require libfail 2.0 |
| 21:52.52 | DJJeff | and I could maybe just delete it |
| 21:55.03 | DJJeff | hard to tell because the lib was updated after the newest version of EnsidiaFails r330 |
| 21:57.22 | nebula169 | 2.0 is old shit, you don't need it |
| 21:57.58 | DJJeff | ok I just deleted the folder for it |
| 21:58.04 | nebula169 | EnsidiaFailsCataclysm\Libs\LibFail-2.0\LibFail-2.0.lua |
| 21:58.14 | nebula169 | should probably delete that, too if you have it |
| 21:58.26 | DJJeff | reloading to see if the lua error goes away |
| 21:58.40 | nebula169 | that being EnsidiaFailsCataclysm |
| 21:59.14 | DJJeff | aha ok that fixed it |
| 22:00.32 | DJJeff | no need for that ticket anymore because of my own mistakes |
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| 23:20.26 | Neffi | today I learned rum is not a reasonable replacement for vodka when making vodka sauce |
| 23:21.42 | haste | doesn't sound too surprising :P |
| 23:22.17 | Neffi | I thought it would be good enough, but it's pretty much the opposite |
| 23:22.43 | Neffi | Vodka sauce should be light and thin and a little tangy. Rum sauce was a bit thicker, pretty dark-tasting, and sweet |
| 23:33.53 | relaxok | when you're setting a signature with function( ) do you have to be the strings in double quotes? |
| 23:33.57 | relaxok | have to put* |
| 23:34.10 | relaxok | like here: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/PostClick |
| 23:36.26 | relaxok | i kind of thought they were always generalized |
| 23:46.04 | foxlit | ignore the double quotes; thatâs a documentation-only convention to denote arguments that are always strings. |
| 23:48.12 | relaxok | cool |
| 23:48.34 | Neffi | <relaxok> i kind of thought they were always generalized <- yes, Lua is dynamically types. Variables do not have types; values do |
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| 23:50.15 | relaxok | good |
| 23:50.29 | relaxok | i just implemented everything in http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
| 23:52.35 | relaxok | ok here's something.. |
| 23:52.36 | relaxok | <OnEnter function="Main_HelpPlate_Button_OnEnter"/> |
| 23:52.42 | relaxok | in UIPanelTemplates.xml |
| 23:52.56 | relaxok | at the time that's called in the FrameXML toc, TutorialFrame.xml and thus TutorialFrame.lua haven't been parsed yet |
| 23:53.00 | relaxok | so that function doesn't exist |
| 23:53.04 | relaxok | how are you supposed to assign it |
| 23:53.29 | nevcairiel | sounds like it might be a template? |
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