| 00:03.30 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, it uses CDN intead if local files if enabled |
| 00:03.52 | Semlar | ah, it's just that it's enabled by default and it makes it look like the program is just hanging |
| 00:03.54 | [TOM_RUS] | and it does work, because I have it enabled |
| 00:03.56 | relaxok__ | [TOM_RUS]: have you dealt with the files with multiple entries due to locale etc? |
| 00:04.26 | Semlar | after about a minute of having it open and nothing happening i went and turned it off |
| 00:04.30 | relaxok__ | [TOM_RUS]: like GlueFonts.xml etc |
| 00:04.44 | znf | well, FUCK, blizzard |
| 00:04.53 | znf | that pre-patch download dropped me to 3gb free disk space |
| 00:05.27 | Gethe | yeah it's still 9GB |
| 00:05.43 | Gethe | better than 18 though |
| 00:06.34 | [TOM_RUS] | relaxok__, what's problem with them? |
| 00:06.46 | znf | I don't really need the patch data to be on my ssd :( |
| 00:08.28 | relaxok__ | [TOM_RUS]: Ladik's tool didn't have them because of some issue |
| 00:08.45 | Simca | he probably didn't filter locale-specific files correctly |
| 00:09.48 | [TOM_RUS] | I haven't managed to get his tool to work with wow at all, it always shows empty list for me |
| 00:10.07 | relaxok__ | works fine for me, just have to load listfile txt and point it at the Data folder |
| 00:10.11 | znf | Well, this is frustrating. Facebook has a feature for you to upload your venues Menu. But the limit is 1MB in size. |
| 00:10.38 | relaxok__ | i sent him some bugs but he's fixed then with new releases (some files didnt appear, some were in the pane but didn't extract) |
| 00:11.19 | relaxok__ | ive only tried with enUS tho |
| 00:14.32 | Simca | there are two different types of flags, one set of locale flags, and the other set is like 'content flags' |
| 00:15.12 | Simca | those flags control the low violence versions (for EU) and the no-bone versions (for CN) amongst other things |
| 00:15.24 | Simca | he probably doesn't handle one of the types of flags correctly |
| 00:15.30 | Neffi | low-violence version? |
| 00:15.47 | Simca | yeah, blood is less detailed and stuff |
| 00:16.01 | Simca | has to do with passing some EU content rating or something |
| 00:16.07 | Neffi | o.o |
| 00:26.39 | Semlar | gores neffi |
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| 01:18.28 | Teht | Hey all |
| 01:18.45 | Teht | Curious, does lua require some special work for alt codes in strings? |
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| 01:19.29 | Teht | Trying to set up a group header with sortMethod namelist, and my namelist has characters that have alt codes. It doesn't seem to like it... |
| 01:20.12 | kd3 | it's probably doing a simple ascii sort. high ascii (anything with an accent in it) will sort after unaccented letters |
| 01:20.36 | Teht | Hmm |
| 01:20.45 | Teht | It seems to be ignoring it though |
| 01:21.38 | Semlar | ignoring how |
| 01:21.48 | Teht | My party has 5 members. One has no high ascii, the other 4 have high ascii. It only shows the one with no high ascii. |
| 01:22.02 | Teht | I have all 5 members in my namelist though |
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| 01:22.33 | Semlar | it's not displaying other party members? |
| 01:22.35 | Neffi | what are you doing to the strings? |
| 01:22.47 | Teht | Correct |
| 01:23.03 | Semlar | at all or just their names |
| 01:23.10 | Neffi | Lua is utf8-agnostic. You can put utf8 characters in the code, but it's not aware of any special properties of them. |
| 01:23.22 | Neffi | Post your code and we can probably help |
| 01:23.26 | Teht | Eh |
| 01:23.38 | Teht | It's just in the SpawnHeader for oUF |
| 01:23.45 | Teht | 1 sec |
| 01:24.08 | Semlar | if it's just not showing their names it could be the font |
| 01:24.19 | Teht | No, it doesn't show the unit frame |
| 01:24.20 | Neffi | this is true |
| 01:24.29 | Neffi | wait wat |
| 01:24.31 | Teht | The frame looks like there's only one person in party |
| 01:24.37 | Teht | The one without the high ascii |
| 01:24.50 | Teht | Just like if my namelist only had one name in it |
| 01:25.01 | Teht | http://privatepaste.com/77a7277495 |
| 01:25.05 | Semlar | that's odd |
| 01:26.02 | Neffi | so oUF sorts out any units not in nameList? |
| 01:26.13 | Neffi | or rather, nameList is a name filter for units? |
| 01:26.32 | Neffi | It may be the editor is mangling the utf8 names. You can escape them |
| 01:26.34 | Teht | Well, it shouldn't honestly |
| 01:27.20 | Teht | It should just not sort the rest and they should still show up |
| 01:27.23 | Semlar | you've tried names without special characters in them and it works fine? |
| 01:27.53 | Teht | Yep, 2 other teams with no ascii work fine |
| 01:27.56 | Neffi | try escaping them, like so: Goldblûm --> Goldbl\195\187m |
| 01:28.28 | Teht | 195 = alt? |
| 01:28.35 | Neffi | no, this is character codes |
| 01:29.21 | Teht | Hrm |
| 01:29.22 | Neffi | easy way is to do this in wow: /dump local c='û'; for i = 1,#c do print(c:byte(i)) end |
| 01:29.38 | Neffi | will print 195 and 187 |
| 01:30.27 | Teht | Hmm |
| 01:30.36 | Teht | Don't have a /dump it appears, is that from an addon? |
| 01:30.37 | Neffi | In other words, û is not part of the ascii set. It's part of utf-8 however. |
| 01:30.51 | kd3 | dump has been built-in to wow forever |
| 01:30.53 | Neffi | Are you playing on live? |
| 01:30.56 | Teht | Yeah |
| 01:30.57 | Teht | Hold on |
| 01:31.13 | Teht | ./dump works, I must have added a space somewhere |
| 01:31.35 | Neffi | actually /dump "û" -- might also be useful |
| 01:31.37 | Semlar | i really don't see how accented characters would make any different |
| 01:31.42 | Semlar | difference |
| 01:31.42 | Neffi | I'm not sure if it'll print the escaped sequence |
| 01:31.45 | Neffi | I think it will |
| 01:32.06 | Neffi | Semlar: his text editor might not be handling them correctly |
| 01:32.16 | Semlar | you've tried this exact code without special characters? |
| 01:32.28 | Teht | Yes |
| 01:33.02 | Teht | That dump is giving me unexpected symbol near 'local |
| 01:33.42 | Semlar | probably special quotes |
| 01:33.49 | Semlar | in your irc client |
| 01:33.56 | Teht | ... |
| 01:33.59 | Semlar | christ |
| 01:34.03 | Teht | lol |
| 01:34.14 | Teht | ./dump local c='û'; for i = 1,#c do print(c:byte(i)) end |
| 01:34.22 | Teht | Put that in wow, it says that error |
| 01:34.46 | Neffi | you sure you're playing live? |
| 01:35.01 | Neffi | because I dont think much older clients could tolerate utf8 input in edit boxes |
| 01:35.01 | Teht | >.> |
| 01:35.13 | Teht | I'm logged in on sargeras right now |
| 01:35.19 | Semlar | yeah it doesn't work neffi |
| 01:35.21 | Semlar | fix it |
| 01:35.34 | Neffi | I just ran it through my local Lua and it compiles fine. No syntax error |
| 01:35.34 | Teht | I don't think the syntax is right for dump |
| 01:35.41 | Neffi | oh wow |
| 01:35.46 | Teht | ./run local c='û'; for i = 1,#c do print(c:byte(i)) end |
| 01:35.47 | Teht | That works |
| 01:35.48 | Neffi | yeah, that should be /run |
| 01:35.50 | Semlar | that's not how dump works |
| 01:35.51 | Neffi | sorry |
| 01:36.12 | Neffi | I've severely reduced my caffeine intake lately, so I havent been thinking straight |
| 01:37.04 | Teht | That works |
| 01:37.08 | Teht | "nameList", "Goldblum,Goldbl\195\186m", |
| 01:37.14 | Teht | Now two are showing |
| 01:37.18 | Teht | Just gotta add the rest |
| 01:37.20 | Neffi | so your text editor sucks |
| 01:37.26 | Neffi | what editor are you using? |
| 01:37.28 | Semlar | well his encoding might be off |
| 01:37.31 | Teht | notepad++ |
| 01:37.40 | Neffi | encode them as utf8 |
| 01:37.42 | Semlar | check the encoding |
| 01:37.52 | Neffi | I dont think NP++ encodes as utf8 by default |
| 01:37.54 | Teht | Ah |
| 01:37.58 | Teht | Nah, it was set ANSI |
| 01:38.03 | Primer | s/NP++/windows/ |
| 01:38.48 | Neffi | change the encoding, re-save, and test. see if it works without escapes. it should |
| 01:39.27 | Teht | It does |
| 01:39.38 | Teht | Awesome save guys, thanks a million! |
| 01:39.40 | Semlar | that reminds me i need to find a font with better character support |
| 01:40.12 | Semlar | neffi figure out how to merge missing characters from another font into the one i'm using |
| 01:40.24 | Neffi | that sounds very unfun, Semlar |
| 01:40.50 | Semlar | the only programs i found that claimed they could do it either crashed or were too confusing to use |
| 01:41.02 | Semlar | i think fontforge was one |
| 01:41.08 | Semlar | it didn't work worth a damn |
| 01:41.35 | Neffi | I dont mess with that stuff |
| 01:41.42 | Neffi | because it's not fun to mess with |
| 01:41.42 | Semlar | i can't blame you |
| 01:42.14 | Semlar | but right now if you went into a russian battleground with my nameplates nobody would have any names |
| 01:42.28 | Neffi | I see no problem with this |
| 01:42.36 | Semlar | maybe i should just replace their names with my own |
| 01:42.45 | Semlar | generate a name for them |
| 01:42.51 | Neffi | No, you should replace them all with Putin |
| 01:42.56 | Semlar | that could work |
| 01:42.59 | Semlar | natasha, boris |
| 01:43.04 | Semlar | yeltzin |
| 01:43.18 | Semlar | alright neffi you've convinced me |
| 01:43.22 | Neffi | :D |
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| 01:46.22 | Semlar | rather than find a font that supports these characters i'll just replace all of their names |
| 01:48.51 | Primer | kick them from the group |
| 01:48.56 | Primer | much easier |
| 01:49.12 | Semlar | but they're on the other team |
| 01:51.40 | Neffi | I wasnt aware you could face people with Russain clients on US realms |
| 01:53.45 | Semlar | all i know is that someone who is using my nameplates was facing off against entire teams of cyrillic characters |
| 01:54.09 | Semlar | and i don't think they were russian themselves |
| 01:55.10 | Semlar | so i don't know what the server groups are like in europe |
| 01:55.46 | Semlar | regardless, i need a font that's more flexible |
| 01:56.27 | Semlar | because this one doesn't support all of the possible characters you can have even in US names |
| 01:56.34 | relaxok__ | i'm almost done glueing the frontend/gluexml to the main game with framexml |
| 01:56.37 | relaxok__ | christ |
| 02:00.27 | relaxok__ | server sends login request, client sends login credentials when clicking login, server sends realm list info, client gets that packet and handles OPEN_REALM_LIST, server gets realm choice and sends character list data, client gets character list data packet and handles SET_GLUE_SCREEN to charselect or whatever, Enter World sends character choice packet, server sends setup info packet, client handles PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD.. |
| 02:00.48 | relaxok__ | which should popup a loading screen i guess |
| 02:01.14 | relaxok__ | i guess the loading screen can't be in the actual UI system because it's up when you're reloading the UI too |
| 02:07.19 | kd3 | hahaha, wow. almost all the steamy romance novels have pictures now: http://wowpedia.org/A_Steamy_Romance_Novel |
| 02:08.46 | relaxok__ | that makes me sad |
| 02:10.31 | Neffi | relaxok__: isn't GlueXML in a separate Lua state? |
| 02:10.45 | Neffi | the state may be paused and saved for later, and the loading screen may be part of that state |
| 02:12.30 | relaxok__ | Neffi: it may be |
| 02:13.00 | relaxok__ | Neffi: i just meant, the loading screen isn't defined in xml anywhere |
| 02:13.04 | Neffi | oh god Semlar. I reloaded and all the spider corpses came back to life |
| 02:13.08 | Neffi | there's like 100 of them |
| 02:13.17 | Neffi | relaxok__: ah, I see |
| 02:13.31 | Semlar | i take no responsibility for your spider infestation |
| 02:13.43 | relaxok__ | now i need to implement handling events with arguments |
| 02:13.44 | relaxok__ | blargh |
| 02:14.24 | Neffi | what are you doing with GlueXML? |
| 02:14.32 | Semlar | sniffing it |
| 02:14.42 | relaxok__ | Neffi: http://bh.polpo.org/ui_ip_login_4.png |
| 02:15.18 | relaxok__ | and the very unfinished http://bh.polpo.org/charselect1.png |
| 02:16.16 | Semlar | did you previously have a different irc handle |
| 02:16.23 | relaxok__ | no |
| 02:16.44 | relaxok | except this, lol |
| 02:16.53 | relaxok | anyway i am just implementing the UI in C++/directx |
| 02:17.15 | Neffi | oh you're the one doing a reimplementation of the WoW UI layer for your MMO engine |
| 02:17.20 | relaxok | yep |
| 02:17.32 | Semlar | do you realize how confusing it is for us |
| 02:17.39 | relaxok | i do yes |
| 02:17.49 | relaxok | however you guys are the only people that know anything about this subject |
| 02:18.19 | relaxok | i just took a few months off due to heavy work schedule |
| 02:18.54 | relaxok | (and fwiw, i'm not a private server or hacker guy, i sub and play the normal game) |
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| 02:24.05 | relaxok | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_From_Disassembly |
| 02:24.06 | relaxok | hrm |
| 02:24.57 | Semlar | don't use wowwiki |
| 02:28.03 | relaxok | what exactly is the deal with the vararg stuff in event handlers |
| 02:28.43 | Semlar | events can pass arguments to the OnEvent handler |
| 02:29.38 | Semlar | different events have different arguments |
| 02:29.56 | Semlar | but it all gets passed to the same event handler |
| 02:30.12 | relaxok | so then you can't just doscript of a lua command for Blah_OnEvent(event) you have to do it per event type and add the arguments |
| 02:33.12 | relaxok | and they can be of different types |
| 02:33.16 | relaxok | buh |
| 02:35.09 | Semlar | here's an example of an event handler http://pastebin.com/TnmbB6ZG |
| 02:42.11 | relaxok | if i'm calling lua functions from the c api though i need to do quite a bit of shit for this |
| 02:46.08 | Simca | <cstdarg> supports variable arguments in C |
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| 02:58.57 | Neffi | Lua's variadic don't depend on C variadic functions |
| 02:59.28 | Neffi | You simply push as many values onto the stack as you intend to pass, and then let call() know how many arguments to take from the stack |
| 02:59.49 | Neffi | Lua's variadic functions* aka vararg functions |
| 03:01.59 | relaxok | Neffi: i guess i should do that, instead of doing a dostring with the function name and parameters |
| 03:05.45 | relaxok | a problem is when you've got an <OnEvent> tag |
| 03:07.20 | relaxok | this is getting fairly confusing |
| 03:09.52 | relaxok | so lets say i want to send SET_GLUE_SCREEN with a parameter of "charselect" |
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| 03:10.21 | relaxok | so i go through all the frames that have registered that event |
| 03:10.38 | relaxok | but what do you actually do in terms of a dostring or the c api to call that with a parameter? |
| 03:10.58 | relaxok | some frames have OnEvent tags that are just Blah_OnEvent( event, ... ) some have Blah_OnEvent( self, event ) |
| 03:11.30 | Semlar | the frame the event is registered to is always the first argument |
| 03:12.24 | relaxok | well let say im iterating through the frames that are registered |
| 03:12.27 | relaxok | and one is GlueParent |
| 03:12.41 | relaxok | the OnEvent tag is GlueParent_OnEvent(event, ...); |
| 03:13.48 | relaxok | i just don't get what you really do at that point |
| 03:14.19 | relaxok | i had been just setting event as a local variable and then dostring-ing the tag |
| 03:14.27 | relaxok | but not replacing the ... with other arguments |
| 03:31.41 | relaxok | prays to the Smlar |
| 03:31.42 | relaxok | Semlar* |
| 03:32.15 | Semlar | i don't know anything about connecting C to lua |
| 03:36.00 | relaxok | prays to the Neffi |
| 03:38.17 | End | I connected C and lua once and all I can remember is stacks stacks stacks |
| 03:38.40 | End | I must have been eating pancakes at the time |
| 03:43.18 | relaxok | i got it to "work", with string replacement of ... in the tag |
| 03:43.21 | relaxok | but that's not sustainable |
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| 03:44.29 | Neffi | relaxok: when you parse the XML, you should be compiling the contents of the script tags like OnEvent into a function with load() |
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| 03:44.47 | Neffi | keep those functions around, and call them as desired |
| 03:45.05 | Semlar | stacks neffi for greater effect |
| 03:45.13 | Neffi | an OnEvent tag should just do the internal equivalent of frame:SetScript('OnEvent', loadstring(contents_of_tag) ) |
| 03:45.27 | Neffi | of course, with error checking on the compilation |
| 03:45.33 | relaxok | Neffi: oh that's a good idea.. right now i'm just storing them as strings and dostringing them after setting local vars |
| 03:45.41 | Neffi | that's a bad idea! |
| 03:45.45 | relaxok | agreed |
| 03:45.49 | Neffi | performance of compilation is not assured to be good |
| 03:45.58 | Neffi | and it's also just not good practice |
| 03:46.39 | relaxok | Neffi: but ok, you store them as a function, but if what it's storing is Blah_OnEvent( event, ... ); doesnt it need stuff to be set beforehand somehow? |
| 03:46.46 | Neffi | and yeah you may need to append some local vars to the contents. i havent used XML files in an addon since like 1.12 |
| 03:47.13 | Neffi | stuff to be set beforehand? you mean `event` and `self` and all? |
| 03:47.18 | relaxok | Neffi: well, the ... |
| 03:47.21 | Neffi | yeah, you'll need to append that info in |
| 03:47.22 | relaxok | Neffi: arguments |
| 03:47.36 | Neffi | loadstring() always compiles the chunk as a vararg function, so ... is always there |
| 03:47.51 | relaxok | Neffi: oh duh, i can set a bunch of arguments and then when i call that OnEvent function it'll pass it all right? |
| 03:48.00 | Neffi | in fact framexml may have its own way of inserting `self` and `event` into this without passing them directly |
| 03:48.11 | Neffi | relaxok: yes |
| 03:48.16 | relaxok | okay okay, makes sense now |
| 03:48.53 | Neffi | I still dont understand if you're designing your own engine, why not take the opportunity to make a better API layer than WoW has lol |
| 03:49.06 | Simca | when a function is called in the form Object:Function(), Function() receives the argument 'self' with the value of Object automatically |
| 03:49.47 | Neffi | that's not how the framexml-defined script tags get `self`, I dont believe |
| 03:49.53 | Neffi | there's no internal mechanism for that |
| 03:50.11 | relaxok | Neffi: yeah, everyone always asks me that.. but the best answer i can give is that when i make it work with WoW, i get the benefit of seeing it all working and having a goal (the real client) to compare against for functionality.. if i just make my own, i have to actually design a client and game in order to see if stuff is working... doesn't really have the same cool factor |
| 03:51.48 | relaxok | not to mention even making my own UI code sophisticated enough to do everything the WoW UI is doing would be a huge undertaking in itself |
| 03:51.51 | relaxok | and i dont even know lua very well |
| 03:51.52 | relaxok | lol |
| 03:52.16 | Neffi | If you're implementing Lua, you *really* should learn Lua |
| 03:52.30 | relaxok | well i'm exaggerating a little.. i know it enough to get as far as i have |
| 03:52.35 | Neffi | even if you never intend to write Lua code yourself, it's really a necessity to designing a good API, that's free of bugs and gotchas |
| 03:53.25 | relaxok | Neffi: here's my pre-parsing hackery.. http://pastebin.com/mk1XTtVu |
| 03:54.08 | Neffi | I'm afraid I'm not very good at C++ |
| 03:54.18 | Neffi | I've only ever touched it for cs assignments |
| 03:54.19 | relaxok | since i'm using the new lua, there some stuff you have to do to even make the wow lua work |
| 03:54.31 | relaxok | ah |
| 03:54.56 | relaxok | basically i'm just making the aliases and C_* globals needed to parse all of gluexml and framexml |
| 03:55.03 | relaxok | and have them work somewhat |
| 03:55.09 | Neffi | if you're using 5.2 it might not parse right |
| 03:55.10 | relaxok | parse and run the lua that is |
| 03:55.29 | Neffi | I believe 5.1 has a compile-time switch to enable the old aliases you're doing manually at the top |
| 03:55.48 | Simca | some of those are wow specific |
| 03:56.12 | Neffi | some, but not all |
| 03:56.28 | Simca | I wonder if you defined PI out to enough decimal places |
| 03:56.36 | Neffi | "PI = 3.14159" <- never seen this in WoW |
| 03:56.42 | Simca | it exists |
| 03:56.50 | Neffi | wow. hmm. wtf slouken |
| 03:56.51 | Simca | god knows why but it does |
| 03:56.57 | Neffi | anyway, PI = math.pi |
| 03:57.11 | Neffi | or for super compatability, check the real value of PI in live WoW |
| 03:57.15 | relaxok | lol |
| 03:57.22 | relaxok | i should do that.. |
| 03:57.24 | Neffi | it might not be == math.pi! |
| 03:57.48 | relaxok | just changed it to math.pi for now |
| 03:58.00 | Neffi | I'm gonna laugh if that breaks something |
| 03:58.12 | Simca | it would have been funnier unchanged |
| 03:58.16 | relaxok | i doubt it, although i forget where it's even used |
| 03:58.22 | Simca | like 5 years down the road it breaks something because his pi has less precision |
| 03:58.26 | Neffi | in fact, you should set it to 3.2 |
| 03:58.27 | relaxok | basically i just parsed and ran code until i had errors |
| 03:58.29 | relaxok | over and over and over |
| 03:58.30 | relaxok | for 3 months |
| 03:58.31 | Simca | lol 3.2 |
| 03:58.42 | Simca | that's blizzard rounding there |
| 03:58.55 | kd3|hate`net | or do it mississipi style, 3 |
| 03:58.59 | Neffi | Simca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill |
| 03:59.11 | relaxok | the last errors i have in framexml are impossible to fix in my current method |
| 03:59.16 | kd3 | s/miss/indiana/ |
| 03:59.21 | relaxok | which is actually having a C++ hierarchy of objects |
| 03:59.27 | relaxok | apparently they don't do that |
| 03:59.36 | relaxok | frame objects* |
| 03:59.58 | Neffi | i think they do, you probably got some critical details wrong |
| 04:00.19 | relaxok | for example there's some frames that inherit a virtual object of the same hierarchy level, so in my system there are variables that don't exist in one or the other so you can't do that |
| 04:00.33 | relaxok | or maybe it was a deeper level |
| 04:00.34 | relaxok | i forget |
| 04:00.56 | Neffi | like a button inheriting a frame? yeah I think you need to allow that |
| 04:01.13 | relaxok | my recollection is that it's slider-related |
| 04:01.27 | Neffi | implementing all the api is really a lot of work considering you can't actually redistribute or use WoW's UI code |
| 04:01.56 | relaxok | i actually code generate all the variables in each frame type.. with hardcoded names and accessors, where i think wow just has string maps for those variables |
| 04:02.12 | relaxok | so you can just have any old property in any frame if you want |
| 04:02.24 | relaxok | and inheriting just adds a bunch to the map |
| 04:02.27 | relaxok | thats my current working theory anyway |
| 04:03.20 | relaxok | yeah Neffi.. but supporting the same tags i or someone could develop a new UI though |
| 04:03.28 | relaxok | probably legally dubious territory |
| 04:03.45 | relaxok | but i mean i could just rename all the tags and have a converter rename them |
| 04:04.13 | relaxok | at the moment its just sort of a waste of time |
| 04:04.25 | relaxok | i definitely don't like having to implement all the exact API function names though |
| 04:04.36 | relaxok | don't like meaning don't want to make it too wow-tied |
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| 04:04.48 | relaxok | about 95% of them are things you could use in any old rpg game though |
| 04:05.23 | Simca | [00:05:13] Dump: value=PI == math.pi |
| 04:05.23 | Simca | [00:05:13] [1]=true |
| 04:05.29 | Simca | there you go relaxok |
| 04:05.35 | relaxok | nice thanks =) |
| 04:06.05 | relaxok | like i have to hackery C_CharacterServices in and all that just to not get errors |
| 04:06.11 | relaxok | kinda shitty |
| 04:06.40 | relaxok | you guys are gods though.. i'd be stuck so far back if a bunch of you hadn't answered various questions or helped track down where in the lua things happen |
| 04:07.11 | relaxok | i wish i could somehow debug the lua like a normal debugger, but not sure how that would work |
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| 04:08.23 | relaxok | i really had no fkn clue the amount of lua was so vast |
| 04:08.27 | relaxok | and interconnected |
| 04:09.22 | relaxok | you can't really do anything unless you load the entire toc in order |
| 04:09.26 | Neffi | wow's UI is a big beast |
| 04:09.28 | relaxok | which also is very slow to parse for me in debug |
| 04:11.11 | relaxok | does it load all of FrameXML on loading the client, or not until you go into game? |
| 04:11.15 | relaxok | anybody know? |
| 04:11.33 | relaxok | if it does it going into game, i don't understand how it can be so fast |
| 04:11.43 | relaxok | because it has to parse 100% of all the xml afaik |
| 04:12.08 | relaxok | the client takes a long time to start up though, so i thought maybe it did it there |
| 04:12.38 | Neffi | it parses and executes framexml when you Enter World, or reload UI |
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| 04:13.09 | Neffi | every reload/login is a fresh Lua state, so it can't just load framexml once and keep it around |
| 04:14.16 | relaxok | okay |
| 04:14.18 | relaxok | man |
| 04:14.20 | relaxok | that's insane it can be so fast |
| 04:14.21 | relaxok | =( |
| 04:14.29 | relaxok | i must be missing something |
| 04:15.01 | relaxok | doesn't it have to execute all the OnLoads when it parses them etc? |
| 04:15.11 | relaxok | that's a lot of parsing and a lot of lua |
| 04:15.16 | Semlar | yes |
| 04:15.36 | Neffi | Lua's compiler is very fast |
| 04:16.15 | Neffi | you *could* compile them beforehand with luac, pack the bytecode in, and then just execute that at load time. but I don't believe WoW does this. also, Lua's bytecode is not portable |
| 04:17.01 | relaxok | well i already know one massive optimization i need to make |
| 04:17.18 | relaxok | right now when there's an inherit tag, i re-parse the stored xml for what it's inheriting |
| 04:17.27 | relaxok | i imagine WoW uses a copy constructor to start with that object |
| 04:18.00 | relaxok | so like for every single bag slot or whatever i re-parse the virtual tag |
| 04:18.01 | Neffi | I'm not sure, but you definitely want to convert it into an internal representation and work off that |
| 04:21.16 | relaxok | i dont really understand the difference between load and do |
| 04:22.37 | Neffi | load compiles the string into a function. do does this, but also executes that function afterwards |
| 04:24.53 | relaxok | Neffi: right now when i hit a lua file in the .toc, i do it, not load it |
| 04:25.00 | relaxok | Neffi: is that not correct? |
| 04:25.15 | relaxok | luaL_dofile |
| 04:25.28 | relaxok | i'm pretty sure you have to do that |
| 04:25.37 | relaxok | because it sets a lot of globals that are used later |
| 04:26.41 | relaxok | and then if i come across a <Script> tag, i luaL_dofile that file too |
| 04:27.53 | relaxok | it takes me 30 seconds in release mode to parse/execute FrameXML |
| 04:44.56 | Neffi | relaxok: a Lua file in the toc should be 'dofile'd. a <script> tag should be 'loadfile'd. an OnLoad tag should also be executed right away (eg, dofile) |
| 04:45.53 | Neffi | the OnScript tag, for instance, is not run right away. it's run when the event occurs. so you loadfile it (compile it to a function) and hold the function around to be called later, when the event occurs |
| 04:46.00 | Neffi | OnEvent tag* |
| 04:47.08 | relaxok | Neffi: i'm talking about <Script> |
| 04:47.14 | relaxok | like <Script="blah.lua"> |
| 04:47.26 | Neffi | oh, yes, that should be executed right away |
| 04:47.40 | relaxok | okay.. so im doing it correctly except for compiling the tags to a function |
| 04:47.46 | relaxok | which i will try to do tonight |
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| 06:12.14 | Miiru | anybody on ptr at the moment? |
| 06:12.58 | Simca | i'm on beta |
| 06:13.47 | Miiru | got no beta :D |
| 06:17.45 | Fisker | I'm on beta too Simca |
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| 06:46.31 | Miiru | they should definately enchance the guild finder |
| 06:48.32 | phelps | https://gist.github.com/benphelps/c113310688263f34e4f3 |
| 06:48.41 | phelps | that final version of the script I did for Snowkrim |
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| 07:47.37 | Miiru | is the chat channel window bugged on beta too? |
| 07:55.51 | relaxok | new mystery... |
| 07:56.40 | relaxok | handling CHARACTER_LIST_UPDATE requires that selectedIndex not be 0 otherwise it asks for characterinfo of character 0 |
| 07:58.50 | relaxok | but i dont see how anything else could set selectedIndex beforehand |
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| 11:51.57 | bluipodcow | Hey |
| 11:52.07 | bluipodcow | What's everyone |
| 11:52.16 | bluipodcow | S BDA versions ? |
| 11:53.00 | Simca | ? |
| 11:53.23 | bluipodcow | Sorry ios 8 making it hard to type |
| 11:54.03 | bluipodcow | What's everyone's battle net desktop app versions ? Trying to figure what latest version is |
| 11:54.08 | Simca | try microwaving it, I heard that helps |
| 11:54.54 | Simca | 1.1.8.5011 |
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| 11:59.22 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:16.32 | karl_w_w | aww yeah |
| 12:16.42 | karl_w_w | i just saw a shooting star for the first time in my life |
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| 12:31.47 | mikma | karl_w_w: some hollywood moviestar being a victim of a drive-by? |
| 12:32.23 | karl_w_w | I'm afraid not |
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| 13:01.35 | Fisker | researchs tacklehugging Lopeppeppy |
| 13:01.38 | Fisker | researches* |
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| 13:33.38 | bluipodcow | Lopeppeppy: Oh hai |
| 13:34.35 | Fisker | no u bluipodcow |
| 13:34.54 | bluipodcow | Wat do? |
| 13:35.06 | Torhal | installs iOS9 on bluipodcow. |
| 13:35.12 | Fisker | he lies Torhal |
| 13:35.16 | bluipodcow | Gasp! |
| 13:35.17 | Fisker | pay no attention to his ios lies |
| 13:39.57 | bluipodcow | I so jelly |
| 13:40.00 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 13:41.35 | karl_w_w | ah bluipodcow, the angel of verdun! |
| 13:41.47 | bluipodcow | Hmmmm? |
| 13:42.39 | Fisker | I wish bluipodcow was the angel of verdun |
| 13:43.16 | bluipodcow | My boobs ain't that big |
| 13:43.16 | karl_w_w | me too |
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| 14:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | Morning meetings should be outlawed. Discuss. |
| 14:18.48 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: You're calling an illegal meeting. |
| 14:18.50 | Kalroth | I entirely agree. But you didn't have to specify the time of the day. |
| 14:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't call it, Torhal. Or I'd pick 1:30 instead. |
| 14:19.36 | Torhal | You said "Discuss" which entails the beginning of a meeting. |
| 14:19.46 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:19.50 | Fisker | It's not morning anymore! |
| 14:20.00 | Torhal | It is here! |
| 14:20.02 | Fisker | tackles the outlaw Torhal |
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| 15:00.29 | karl_w_w | what's the opposite of magnify? as in, the thing a concave lens does |
| 15:02.11 | nevcairiel | diminish |
| 15:04.31 | karl_w_w | the internet says demagnify |
| 15:04.42 | karl_w_w | apart from wiktionary which says minify |
| 15:06.53 | nevcairiel | diminish is the technical term when talking about the physics of whats happening, no idea how its otherwise used in real life |
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| 16:54.46 | zenzelezz | 8.6 GB preload... 6.0 going live soon? |
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| 17:02.18 | nebula169 | few weeks probably |
| 17:03.19 | nebula169 | would fit with releasing it about a month before wod |
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| 17:04.45 | Ressy | I'm not doing the preload. live is on my small ssd. :( |
| 17:05.03 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:05.07 | Fisker | ssd's Ressy |
| 17:05.09 | Stanzilla | 15th is the rumored date |
| 17:05.35 | Fisker | new nexus better |
| 17:05.48 | Semlar | i hope they work out the issues with CASC before it takes over my hard drive |
| 17:06.00 | Ressy | Fisker: What's sad, is that its a new ssd. |
| 17:06.07 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | Dance, my lovelies, and celebrate the enfoodenation! |
| 17:06.28 | Ressy | 250gb is small when you have beta, wow live, d3 live, d3 ptr and other stuffs on it. |
| 17:06.44 | Fisker | Ah yeah |
| 17:06.51 | Semlar | yeah 250gb goes pretty quick |
| 17:06.54 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. I wonder if I can arrange transport for Peppy cookies to go to Blizcon with someone... |
| 17:06.55 | Ressy | I love the load times.. its awesome |
| 17:06.55 | Fisker | I wouldn't say samall though |
| 17:06.56 | Ressy | lol |
| 17:07.14 | Fisker | I can arrange transport for the peppy not the cookies |
| 17:07.14 | Stanzilla | I dont put the beta/ptrs on ssd |
| 17:07.17 | Fisker | :3 |
| 17:07.49 | Ressy | I have beta on because i haven't been really touching live except to compare certain profession-related things to beta. |
| 17:08.02 | Fisker | Dunno if you can bring cookies since they could be considered noms of mass destruction |
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| 17:08.25 | Lopeppeppy | Salted caramel chocolate chip cookies would be destructive, sure thing. |
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| 17:18.31 | bluipodcow | *dances for the Lopeppeppy* |
| 17:27.35 | karl_w_w | bluipodcow, you know some things right? |
| 17:28.46 | Fisker | http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/24/6838821/video-demonstrates-reported-banana-bending-issues <-poor the verge Shirik |
| 17:29.01 | karl_w_w | Fisker, you know some things right? |
| 17:29.11 | Fisker | I know some things karl_w_w |
| 17:29.29 | karl_w_w | is ELF radiation from monitors really a thing? |
| 17:29.43 | karl_w_w | or is it just for selling things to filter it out |
| 17:30.12 | Shirik | Fisker: damn, now he will have to take it to a banana genius and pay hundreds of dollars |
| 17:30.37 | Fisker | Yeah Shirik |
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| 17:31.05 | bluipodcow | I dunno lol |
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| 17:55.40 | Miiru | screenshot loading @ wowinterface is kinda slow? |
| 18:00.24 | alestane | Peppy, next time we visit, we should schedule time for cookie-baking. |
| 18:02.27 | Shirik | http://shirt.woot.com/offers/tough-to-please?ref=cnt_wp_0_13 |
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| 18:46.21 | runge | API_IsUsableSpell seems to say spells are usable even if they are talents and have not been selected. is there some way to check that too? |
| 18:47.40 | Semlar | IsSpellKnown |
| 18:56.38 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/XbWUbyD |
| 19:04.56 | zenzelezz | mikma: :D |
| 19:04.56 | Shirik | I guess I'll go to work now |
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| 19:07.34 | TC-Work | Shirik: No. |
| 19:09.38 | Fisker | Have fun not playing Fifa Shirik |
| 19:14.17 | zenzelezz | "Over 180 awards and nominations"... well what does that mean? 180 awards and 180 nominations? 1 award, 179 nominations? |
| 19:14.54 | foxlit | I would also accept 0 awards, 180 nominations. |
| 19:14.58 | foxlit | and everything in between. |
| 19:15.02 | Fisker | 179 awards for shittiest game |
| 19:15.21 | Fisker | 1 nomination for even worse |
| 19:15.47 | Fisker | You know when they go like that, they're just polishing a turd :P |
| 19:16.09 | Fisker | Same with the biggest launch in history story |
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| 19:21.33 | TC-Work | ... |
| 19:21.39 | TC-Work | It says OVER. |
| 19:21.42 | TC-Work | *sigh* |
| 19:22.21 | Kalroth | so 1 award and 180 nominations |
| 19:22.51 | TC-Work | That is at least possible. |
| 19:29.47 | foxlit | forest, trees, TC-Work. |
| 19:30.41 | TC-Work | Yes, yes I am pedantic. |
| 19:30.46 | Shirik | it's kinda like how Miss America provided $45 million in scholarships annually |
| 19:30.56 | Shirik | TC-Work: but are you shallow AND pedantic? |
| 19:31.01 | TC-Work | Are you at work Shirik? |
| 19:31.06 | Shirik | not quite |
| 19:31.10 | TC-Work | Shirik: No, pedantic and an asshole. |
| 19:31.14 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxANht7yBV4 |
| 19:32.53 | Fisker | So Shirik upset over the no fifa |
| 19:32.55 | Fisker | ? |
| 19:47.00 | Shirik | why would anyone be upset about this |
| 19:47.23 | TC-Work | Not quite? |
| 19:48.07 | Fisker | Oh yeah that's true |
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| 19:55.24 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/P6aJTYq.jpg |
| 19:57.13 | Lopeppeppy | I dream of the day that I am asked questions at work which relate to my position. Instead of "does this link work in Facebook?" and "how do you copy/paste without a mouse?" |
| 19:58.04 | Fisker | Yes indeed |
| 20:14.57 | jleclanch | Lopeppeppy: What ratio of sitting-to-standing would you say you have while at work? |
| 20:15.07 | jleclanch | or is that not the kind of "related" you were talking about |
| 20:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | Sitting 90% of the time. |
| 20:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | At least until I get a standing desk next month, woot. |
| 20:16.21 | kd3 | oh wow at the bash remote exploit |
| 20:17.10 | jleclanch | kd3: shoulda used zsh! |
| 20:23.11 | zenzelezz | kd3: ? |
| 20:23.20 | kd3 | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/09/24/1638207/remote-exploit-vulnerability-found-in-bash |
| 20:24.15 | kd3 | here's an example of a script that can be compromised, for instance: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5750159&cid=47986855 |
| 20:50.55 | Neffi | oh, ouch |
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| 20:55.06 | Semlar | bashes neffi |
| 20:58.35 | Torhal | tars Semlar. |
| 20:58.43 | Semlar | unzips |
| 20:59.13 | Torhal | truncates. |
| 21:00.02 | Neffi | wtf was I just a part of? |
| 21:00.12 | Semlar | forks neffi |
| 21:00.29 | Neffi | mergs Semlar |
| 21:00.35 | Neffi | as fuck spelling |
| 21:00.57 | Semlar | gets neffi a dictionary |
| 21:01.09 | Gethe | clones Semlar |
| 21:01.26 | Semlar | just what we need, more of me! |
| 21:01.44 | Gethe | so you can finnish that map addon |
| 21:01.52 | Gethe | finish* |
| 21:02.46 | Semlar | but i'd rather watch korean dramas |
| 21:03.19 | Gethe | nope |
| 21:04.23 | Semlar | :( |
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| 22:08.17 | relaxok | can someone make something to log events as they happen in FrameXML, in the default UI, and send me the list? |
| 22:08.21 | relaxok | or is that a lot to ask D= |
| 22:08.38 | relaxok | just between like the login and being fully loaded into the game |
| 22:08.59 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/AddOn_loading_process#Order_of_events_fired_during_loading |
| 22:09.00 | kd3 | ? |
| 22:09.15 | relaxok | sure but that's not everything |
| 22:10.28 | jleclanch | relaxok: you cant get the UI events on glue screens |
| 22:10.43 | jleclanch | not that you'd ever need them |
| 22:11.16 | relaxok | well most people wouldn't but i would.. however this time im actually talking about in-game |
| 22:14.11 | Neffi | relaxok: /eventtrace |
| 22:20.01 | relaxok | Neffi: what's that? |
| 22:20.28 | Neffi | shows you game events as they happen |
| 22:20.53 | relaxok | Neffi: ah but can you have that be enabled at the very begining? |
| 22:21.00 | relaxok | Neffi: if you can't do it until everything's already loaded its too late for me |
| 22:21.01 | Neffi | I don't know |
| 22:21.10 | Neffi | it' |
| 22:21.28 | Neffi | it's impossible to do things earlier than your mod gets loaded anyway. you won't know what happened while framexml was loading |
| 22:31.58 | relaxok | Neffi: it would be cool if eventtrace showed you all the events going all the way back |
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| 23:27.28 | Simca | not a single one of these "you get an item based on your loot spec" items has ever worked for me in WoD |
| 23:27.36 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/TU4CrJB.jpg Ret spec, Ret loot spec, holy boots |
| 23:27.49 | Simca | prot rings, holy robes |
| 23:28.07 | Simca | it's like your loot spec becomes the spec you can't get loot for |
| 23:28.56 | Simca | an agility ring, nice |
| 23:29.04 | Simca | that's not even usable by any paladin spec. |
| 23:29.32 | znf | Simca, ??! |
| 23:29.42 | znf | those are ret boots |
| 23:29.44 | smcn | Simca: you have a racoon problem |
| 23:29.45 | znf | they have strength... |
| 23:30.03 | znf | the primary stat changes between your spec (str == ret; int == holy) |
| 23:30.09 | znf | that's why it's greyed out |
| 23:30.26 | znf | and jewelry (rings, necks, trinkets) aren't "multi-spec", they're fixed |
| 23:30.36 | znf | or what are you complaining about? |
| 23:30.42 | znf | also, what kind of hearthstone is that? |
| 23:30.50 | Simca | Garrison Hearthstone |
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| 23:31.03 | Simca | also, it gave me an Agility/Strength/Bonus Armor/Mastery ring |
| 23:31.15 | Simca | that's not a ret ring; or it shouldn't be |
| 23:33.13 | znf | sounds like a tanking ring |
| 23:33.19 | znf | agi/str and armor |
| 23:33.51 | Simca | you remind me though, I probably -should- make an addon to hide the irrelevant stats, if blizzard didn't make an option for it |
| 23:34.35 | Simca | also roflmao http://i.imgur.com/3JwbP7y.jpg |
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| 23:53.19 | Torhal | makes an AddOn to hide Simca. |
| 23:53.40 | relaxok | whats the deal with: getmetatable(slider).__index.Enable(slider); |
| 23:53.46 | relaxok | why isn't it just slider.Enable()? |
