| 00:15.10 | kd3 | holy crap this Polt/Scarlett match |
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| 02:32.24 | michael_p | hello |
| 02:38.29 | Cairenn | hi |
| 02:38.51 | michael_p | any scuess you guys have in creating your own offline / private server |
| 02:39.40 | michael_p | sucesss |
| 02:39.43 | Cairenn | This is an official fansite channel, any discussion of private servers is strictly prohibited in here |
| 02:40.01 | michael_p | well cya |
| 02:40.05 | Cairenn | later |
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| 02:54.49 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 02:55.24 | Semlar | he was asking about it in the wowace channel |
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| 04:13.41 | Torhal | Semlar: And in wowpedia |
| 04:14.18 | Semlar | thorough |
| 04:14.23 | Torhal | Indeed. |
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| 07:07.14 | Miiru | is there a way to resend the nick registration email when i gimped with the email adresss? :D |
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| 09:31.16 | Miiru | how would one hook a function which looks like this: |
| 09:31.16 | Miiru | DEFAULT_OBJECTIVE_TRACKER_MODULE:BeginLayout(isStaticReanchor) |
| 09:31.47 | Miiru | tried hooksecurefunc("DEFAULT_OBJECTIVE_TRACKER_MODULE:BeginLayout",function(isStaticReanchor) |
| 09:31.50 | Miiru | doesnt work |
| 09:31.59 | Miiru | it does not recognize the function |
| 09:34.44 | Maldivia | hooksecurefunc(DEFAULT_OBJECTIVE_TRACKER_MODULE, "BeginLayout", function(self, isStaticReanchor) blah end) |
| 09:35.37 | Miiru | many thanks :) |
| 09:35.48 | Miiru | never had to hook such a thing :D |
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| 10:17.48 | VIad | showed phanx, might as well show here |
| 10:17.51 | VIad | clever design http://ss.bool.no/upload_ed6e99db.jpg |
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| 11:14.27 | Silvanas | hello |
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| 11:51.19 | Miiru | is there an easy way to check which childs of a frame are actual text-strings? |
| 11:51.39 | Miiru | type = UIObject:GetObjectType() |
| 11:51.39 | Miiru | returns frame |
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| 12:14.10 | Kaelten | is exportinterfacefiles broken in beta atm? |
| 12:14.19 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 12:14.23 | nevcairiel | been broken for ever |
| 12:14.30 | Fisker | I think I've seen foxlit said it had been forget |
| 12:14.32 | Fisker | Forever |
| 12:14.39 | Kaelten | never mind, I can't type |
| 12:14.46 | Fisker | Also no u nevcairiel |
| 12:14.50 | Fisker | I can type |
| 12:15.08 | nevcairiel | well, it "works", but it dumps everything in one folder, instead of the proper structure |
| 12:15.14 | nevcairiel | or that was the last state i knew of |
| 12:19.36 | Miiru | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures/tree/beta |
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| 12:20.54 | Miiru | god i hate that new questwatcher |
| 12:21.30 | nevcairiel | it looks and feels mostly like the old one, whats so different about it |
| 12:21.57 | Miiru | the coding^ |
| 12:22.11 | nevcairiel | i got by just fine messing around with it |
| 12:22.26 | Miiru | im trying to color the text, didnt succeed yet :D |
| 12:22.28 | nevcairiel | if the code is too smart for you, maybe you are...... :D |
| 12:23.10 | nevcairiel | my addon can color the titles based on quest difficulty level and the objectives on completion state (from red at 0% to green at 100%), wasn't that hard |
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| 12:26.59 | karl_w_w | 100% accuracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN9RQf8D7Ds |
| 12:28.16 | Miiru | i know that i somehow need to change the lineTemplate |
| 12:28.32 | Miiru | ah lets see maybe |
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| 12:34.10 | Snowkrim | hi, could anyone help me with a luatext script as seen here: |
| 12:34.11 | Snowkrim | https://gist.github.com/nefftd/d9cc51bb43f8c90fb610 |
| 12:34.17 | Snowkrim | need to make a slight modification for it, not sure how |
| 12:34.35 | Snowkrim | it's an omnicc addon replica minified to 5 macros |
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| 12:35.30 | Silvanas | ome its hard to modify minified scripts, but what do you want to alter |
| 12:39.51 | Silvanas | does anyone know where the ptr wow is installed? because i want to test some addon stuff but i cant find the instaltion :D |
| 12:40.22 | Maldivia | Silvanas: in bnet: bnet icon -> settings -> game install/updates -- lists all installations |
| 12:40.23 | nevcairiel | just look into the settings of the b.net app, it'll tell you |
| 12:40.43 | Silvanas | ah yes tnx found it |
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| 13:00.13 | Silvanas | will the dynamic items (that swap str / int / agi) be availbe before WoD hits? |
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| 13:01.55 | nevcairiel | no, only new items in WoD swap |
| 13:02.22 | nevcairiel | maybe one or two from the 6.0 intro quest series will have it, or dropds from UBRS |
| 13:02.26 | nevcairiel | not actually sure about that |
| 13:02.31 | nevcairiel | but they won't be converting old items |
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| 13:03.34 | Alram | [TOM_RUS] get better russian internet please :D |
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| 13:03.49 | Torhal | installs a dash cam on Alram. |
| 13:05.46 | Silvanas | cool that gives me some extra time to fix the item priority detection of my guilds dkp addon :D |
| 13:06.08 | nevcairiel | until december for sure |
| 13:06.22 | nevcairiel | once the new raids open |
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| 13:07.37 | Silvanas | yeh, that be enough time, also for the officers to decide if they want to swap to EPGP |
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| 13:40.22 | g0urra | what have I done http://puu.sh/bHUWF/65a02aa012.jpg |
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| 13:49.27 | Miiru | bah im giving up cant figure this out |
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| 14:08.47 | Snowkrim | hi, could anyone help me with a luatext script as seen here: |
| 14:08.49 | Snowkrim | https://gist.github.com/nefftd/d9cc51bb43f8c90fb610 |
| 14:08.51 | Snowkrim | need to make a slight modification for it, not sure how |
| 14:08.54 | Snowkrim | it's an omnicc addon replica minified to 5 macros |
| 14:10.56 | Snowkrim | could also make a seperate script instead to add the function I'm missing if altering a minified script is too troublesome |
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| 15:35.04 | karl_w_w | how many battlegrounds are there? |
| 15:35.38 | karl_w_w | 11! |
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| 16:18.21 | Semlar | neffi |
| 16:19.02 | Semlar | someone keeps asking about your script |
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| 17:49.09 | infamousX | Semlar! |
| 17:49.18 | Semlar | me! |
| 17:49.22 | infamousX | :D |
| 17:49.27 | infamousX | I have a quick question!~ |
| 17:49.32 | Semlar | uh oh |
| 17:49.43 | End | but does it have a quick answer |
| 17:50.21 | infamousX | Would it be possible to use ElvUI's raid frames only? I can't find any other raid frame addon that does what I want x( |
| 17:50.29 | infamousX | Figured you might know a bit about it |
| 17:50.32 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 17:50.35 | Semlar | i don't use elvui |
| 17:50.43 | Semlar | but unless there's a setting in it somewhere |
| 17:50.51 | Semlar | it would probably be a pain to separate out |
| 17:51.01 | nevcairiel | addons like that usually dont want you to use only part of it |
| 17:51.12 | Semlar | you could probably get a similar look using pitbull or some other unit frame addon |
| 17:51.23 | Semlar | might be simpler |
| 17:51.38 | infamousX | Well that's what I was more or less getting at - making a seperate addon (for my use only) with only the code for the raid frames and the raid debuffs |
| 17:52.09 | Semlar | i don't know how modular elvui is |
| 17:52.28 | nevcairiel | what special feature could it possibly have that you cant do with PB or SUF |
| 17:53.04 | infamousX | It's not the unit frames that I want it's the raid frames |
| 17:53.13 | infamousX | and I use Stuf for my unit frames |
| 17:53.16 | Semlar | they look like grid |
| 17:53.26 | nevcairiel | raid frames are unit frames, for raid units |
| 17:53.36 | nevcairiel | you can make SUF or PB look like grid |
| 17:53.46 | nevcairiel | or fascinating idea; grid |
| 17:54.01 | infamousX | Grid doesn't have what I want either :P |
| 17:54.09 | Semlar | really? |
| 17:54.10 | nevcairiel | you are not saying what you want |
| 17:54.39 | Semlar | http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/84/706/1415ae1dc7ef8d61ef10aaefcae2635e.png if this is what it looks like, it's almost identical to grid |
| 17:54.56 | nevcairiel | wtf is this things with the 5s |
| 17:54.59 | nevcairiel | it looks terrible |
| 17:55.01 | infamousX | I want the Raid Debuff filters from ElvUI because they work very well for PvP. |
| 17:55.03 | infamousX | And |
| 17:55.25 | infamousX | I want seperate layouts for 5m, 10m, 25m, and 40m |
| 17:55.40 | foxlit | Semlar! |
| 17:55.43 | infamousX | Grid and Vuhdo don't do this, and neither does Stuf |
| 17:55.45 | Semlar | no foxlit |
| 17:55.58 | foxlit | ⦠jerk. |
| 17:56.03 | Semlar | oh alright |
| 17:56.10 | Semlar | fine foxlit |
| 17:56.37 | Fisker | tackles Semlar |
| 17:56.38 | infamousX | Semlar what did you link me this thing is taking years to load lol |
| 17:56.43 | foxlit | Make me a sandwich! With pickles like that other sandwich! But just for me, got it? |
| 17:56.52 | Semlar | well it's an image from curse |
| 17:56.58 | Fisker | permission denied |
| 17:56.59 | End | I'm pretty sure pitbull does the seperate layouts? ...but I haven't used it in a while |
| 17:57.22 | nevcairiel | i thought grid has that too |
| 17:57.32 | infamousX | Nope. |
| 17:57.43 | nevcairiel | no idea what the debuff filter does, SUF has quite fancy aura setups though |
| 17:57.44 | infamousX | I've tried Grid, Grid2, and Vuhdo |
| 17:57.45 | Semlar | i used the default unit frames for healing so i'm probably not the person to ask |
| 17:57.46 | End | I'm surprised grid doesn't have it, but I never used grid |
| 17:58.23 | infamousX | When I was using ElvUI, in an RBG, I never missed a dispel on a fellow healer because of the Debuff Filter |
| 17:58.57 | foxlit | what Iâm getting it is that thereâs only one reasonable response here: |
| 17:59.04 | foxlit | âMake your own damn sandiwchâ |
| 17:59.18 | Semlar | but that would be a lot of work |
| 17:59.31 | Semlar | you'd probably end up going back to the original sandwich |
| 17:59.32 | Fisker | permission denied is close enough foxlit |
| 17:59.43 | infamousX | So I guess this wasn't a quick question ;D sorry |
| 18:00.16 | infamousX | Maybe I'll do a forum post about it so I can get shot down by Phanx for the 5th time hahaha |
| 18:00.16 | End | it never is |
| 18:00.28 | kd3 | grid doesn't have layouts for different raidsizes? http://kaydeethree.net/i/gridlayout.jpg |
| 18:00.50 | infamousX | It doesn't allow you to change the size of each layout. |
| 18:00.51 | Semlar | well, the unit frames are a module in elvui so first you might want to figure out if you can just disable the rest of the modules |
| 18:01.50 | Semlar | there's a load_modules.xml file in the modules folder so you might try removing all of the includes except the unit frames and see if that breaks the addon |
| 18:02.17 | infamousX | Will try (: thanks |
| 18:02.36 | Semlar | i have no idea if you can disable modules from inside elvui itself |
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| 18:04.27 | infamousX | Might have to mess with it again. It's been about 3 months since I last fiddled with ElvUI trying to get the raid frames only. Iirc I didn't use it because it changed the way something looked that I already edited or it messed with my fonts. Idr. |
| 18:04.36 | phelps | do none of the functions return 1/0 ? |
| 18:04.40 | phelps | in 6 |
| 18:04.53 | Semlar | some do |
| 18:05.08 | Semlar | i know the one that checks if an addon is enabled returns like 0, 1 or 2 |
| 18:05.30 | phelps | is there a list of changes somewhere |
| 18:06.00 | Semlar | sort of |
| 18:06.16 | Shirik | So I've always hated people putting "no copyright infringement intended" in the video description on youtube |
| 18:06.24 | Shirik | but now there is an even more disturbing trend |
| 18:06.34 | Shirik | people are putting "no copyright intended"..... well at least this time it's accurate |
| 18:06.50 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:06.54 | Fisker | come fight me at blizzcon |
| 18:07.50 | Shirik | noty |
| 18:07.53 | Shirik | I'm weak |
| 18:09.51 | kd3 | gah, damn it. step away for 30 seconds and the queue pops |
| 18:10.15 | End | that's how queues work |
| 18:10.51 | Semlar | you know, an interesting side effect of the new UnitPosition function is that it appears to give you the instanceID of the phase you're in |
| 18:11.09 | Semlar | if they use phased terrain |
| 18:11.32 | Semlar | i don't think there's any other way to get that |
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| 18:11.54 | nevcairiel | its a big phase it sometimes changes the map name |
| 18:12.02 | nevcairiel | Hyjal_terrain1 etc |
| 18:12.10 | Semlar | yeah if the map itself looks different |
| 18:12.22 | Semlar | they'll use a different path |
| 18:12.43 | Semlar | but if you're in your garrison you can get the instanceID this way |
| 18:14.38 | Gethe | dat Aldnoah/Zero ending |
| 18:14.50 | kd3 | seriously wtf |
| 18:15.53 | Fisker | You are not weak Shirik |
| 18:16.51 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, GetInstanceInfo returns same mapid as UnitPosition, so no, there's at least one more way |
| 18:17.30 | Semlar | oh, i don't remember that function returning an instance ID |
| 18:18.02 | Semlar | interesting |
| 18:19.39 | Semlar | ah looks like they added it in 5.0.4 |
| 18:19.59 | Semlar | i guess it's been a while since i've used it |
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| 19:19.43 | Snowkrim | hi guys, could anyone help me with a luatext script as seen here: |
| 19:19.44 | Snowkrim | https://gist.github.com/nefftd/d9cc51bb43f8c90fb610 |
| 19:19.48 | Snowkrim | need to make a slight modification for it, not sure how |
| 19:19.52 | Snowkrim | it's an omnicc addon replica minified to 5 macros |
| 19:31.51 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj15RNJoKNM I watched this whole video and I still have no idea what the game is supposed to be |
| 19:34.29 | Semlar | why |
| 19:46.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Snowkrim (~Lukas@c55-89.i07-14.onvol.net) |
| 19:55.46 | phelps | Snowkrim what modification |
| 19:57.27 | Semlar | he wants player buffs on it or something |
| 19:57.31 | Semlar | like inline auras |
| 19:57.48 | infamousX | Does this addon work for anyone else? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16480-RaidMobMarkerHUD.html#info |
| 19:57.49 | Semlar | he wants my crack cooldown addon condensed into a macro |
| 20:03.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Kultzi (~ironi@85-76-103-157-nat.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 20:04.05 | Dagmar | cuz he wants the computer to play for him |
| 20:04.31 | Semlar | well it hardly seems fair to be able to get an addon up and running through macros when addons are banned from the competition |
| 20:06.13 | Snowkrim | blizzard allow the scripts to be used even if they replicate what an addon does |
| 20:06.23 | Semlar | yeah yeah |
| 20:06.23 | Snowkrim | they just don't want third party addons or installations |
| 20:06.37 | Semlar | and therein lies the confusion |
| 20:06.53 | Snowkrim | people have asked the admins that run the lan about this multiple times |
| 20:07.05 | Snowkrim | and they're always ok with it |
| 20:07.08 | Snowkrim | just no addons |
| 20:07.20 | Snowkrim | external lua files etc |
| 20:07.22 | Snowkrim | or autohotkey scripts |
| 20:07.52 | infamousX | which is why 99% of MW can't function in tournaments ;) |
| 20:08.03 | Snowkrim | MW? |
| 20:08.07 | infamousX | Orb botters |
| 20:08.09 | Snowkrim | ah |
| 20:08.11 | Snowkrim | :D |
| 20:08.15 | Semlar | i would write a macro that makes it so you can open an edit box to paste an entire addon into and run that |
| 20:08.23 | Snowkrim | ya but there's no need for that |
| 20:08.24 | Semlar | and then everyone can run whatever they want |
| 20:08.25 | Snowkrim | neffi offered that |
| 20:08.29 | Snowkrim | but it's kinda pointless |
| 20:08.32 | Snowkrim | don't have that many lines of scripts |
| 20:08.37 | Snowkrim | I have like 11 macros I think |
| 20:08.41 | Snowkrim | assigned to numpad1-9 etc |
| 20:08.47 | infamousX | Are you going to regionals Snow? |
| 20:08.53 | Semlar | it's not really pointless since it makes it so you don't have to rewrite a bunch of stuff to fit inside of a few lines of /run statements |
| 20:08.57 | Dagmar | ...and there's nothing wrong at all with sidestepping the "no addons" rule via a technicality. |
| 20:09.04 | Dagmar | Because that's not going to result in the admins banning even macros. |
| 20:09.07 | Snowkrim | oh ya thats true you wouldn't have to minify as much |
| 20:10.47 | Semlar | i personally don't see how it's fair that you can run something in a TOURNAMENT where everyone should be on level footing with the game |
| 20:11.05 | Dagmar | I don't see why he doesn't just build a USB device to inject keystrokes in for him |
| 20:11.10 | Dagmar | It would be simpler. |
| 20:11.40 | Dagmar | He could load as many addons as he wants into it, then plug it in and let it type in the zillion /run statements and completely solve the problem |
| 20:12.03 | Snowkrim | all the top 8 teams at regionals have scripts tbh |
| 20:12.10 | Snowkrim | our team uses very little compared to what other peeps have |
| 20:12.20 | Snowkrim | dr trackers interrupt cd trackers etc.. |
| 20:12.20 | infamousX | Can't bring USB from what I heard from Supatease |
| 20:12.27 | Snowkrim | some spanish team have a gladius written in term of macros.. lol |
| 20:12.35 | Dagmar | "We don't cheat as much as we think other people do, so we want to fix that by cheating more" |
| 20:12.36 | Semlar | yeah, they're the top teams because they basically are exploiting every advantage |
| 20:12.52 | infamousX | It's not an advantage if anyone can do it |
| 20:12.55 | infamousX | Tbh |
| 20:13.03 | Snowkrim | lol first of this is not cheating |
| 20:13.11 | Snowkrim | and second everyone who wants to can do it |
| 20:13.12 | Dagmar | Why of course not |
| 20:13.17 | Semlar | uh just because it's technically possible for everyone to do it doesn't mean it's available to everyone |
| 20:13.18 | Snowkrim | as blizzard allow this and there is a huge thread on aj on default ui scripts |
| 20:13.40 | Dagmar | "Addons" are banned, so using /run commands to build the same functionality in is completely not cheating because they're not "addons" |
| 20:13.51 | Snowkrim | yes |
| 20:13.54 | Snowkrim | so talk to blizzard about that |
| 20:14.10 | Snowkrim | addons were not banned because of the functionality they add |
| 20:14.14 | Dagmar | Actually, I'll simply dance with glee when they ban use of the /run command as well |
| 20:14.16 | infamousX | If they have internet they have access |
| 20:14.17 | Snowkrim | they were banned because ppl were taking forever to config UIs |
| 20:14.38 | Semlar | frankly they should ban the use of /run commands in a tournament because everyone should be playing with the same ui |
| 20:14.41 | Snowkrim | idk what your problem is tbh, you're rather ignorant |
| 20:14.42 | infamousX | The only reason you can't have addons at a tournament is because they're local. Anything possible through the default UI is plausible because, why would it be in the game if Blizzard wasn't ok with it? |
| 20:14.42 | Dagmar | Well, then they should be unbanned since everyone knows how to clone the WTF data now |
| 20:14.51 | Semlar | the entire point of a tournament is that everyone starts on equal ground |
| 20:14.55 | Snowkrim | besides |
| 20:14.56 | Dagmar | It surely can't have anythign to do with automating gameplay giving people a material advantage |
| 20:14.56 | Snowkrim | not to mention |
| 20:15.00 | Snowkrim | the qualifiers for this year regionals |
| 20:15.03 | Snowkrim | were held online |
| 20:15.03 | Snowkrim | lol |
| 20:15.05 | Snowkrim | so no lan |
| 20:15.09 | Snowkrim | so everyone was free to use w.e the fk they want |
| 20:15.15 | Snowkrim | including authotkey scripts |
| 20:15.19 | Snowkrim | and auto interrupt hacks |
| 20:15.21 | Snowkrim | and other random crap |
| 20:15.28 | Dagmar | pfft. |
| 20:15.29 | Snowkrim | so dont blame me for using a simple omnicc script |
| 20:15.29 | Semlar | ah so that makes it okay then |
| 20:15.34 | Snowkrim | it doesn't make it okay |
| 20:15.36 | Dagmar | morally disabled pvp players |
| 20:15.43 | infamousX | Dagmar you're out of line man |
| 20:16.04 | Dagmar | Really? Because I call foul on something any adult would immediately recognize as sophistry? |
| 20:16.08 | Snowkrim | but to call my team cheaters cause we use several simple scripts that were explicitly allowed by blizzard last year when asked is kinda stupid |
| 20:16.21 | Snowkrim | anyway no point for me to argue with ignorant people tbh :) |
| 20:16.37 | infamousX | There is no foul. Stop calling Snowkrim a cheater for doing what is allowed. |
| 20:16.45 | Dagmar | Considering you're apparently illiterate, yes you should probably realize you're outmatched. |
| 20:17.00 | Dagmar | Please quote where I called him a cheater. |
| 20:17.12 | Snowkrim | idk what your problem is |
| 20:17.15 | infamousX | Apparently you don't know the definition of "illiterate" |
| 20:17.16 | Snowkrim | go have a break |
| 20:17.16 | Snowkrim | relax |
| 20:17.24 | Dagmar | I am saying with no equivocation that he is clearly intending to violate the spirit of the rules on order to gain an advatage. |
| 20:17.32 | Dagmar | There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever about that |
| 20:17.33 | Snowkrim | no |
| 20:17.36 | Snowkrim | the spirit of the rules aint that |
| 20:17.42 | Semlar | really? |
| 20:17.42 | infamousX | "We don't cheat as much as we think other people do, so we want to fix that by cheating more" - Dagmar |
| 20:17.48 | Snowkrim | the addons were never banned for the functionality they add |
| 20:17.50 | Snowkrim | as i said multiple times |
| 20:17.53 | Snowkrim | banned for the time it takes to config |
| 20:17.54 | Dagmar | The arguments you're making about it are called "sophistry". |
| 20:18.05 | Snowkrim | they dont care if people have interrupt timers, dr trackers, or anything like that |
| 20:18.08 | Alram | hey Fisker |
| 20:18.08 | Snowkrim | they care if you take forever to setup |
| 20:18.15 | Dagmar | infamousX: Yes, I was paraphrasing his argument to remove the sophistry |
| 20:18.23 | Semlar | you have said that, but how is it that addons are slower to configure than macros, and how is it that they didn't just put a time limit in |
| 20:18.26 | Alram | want to have a threesome with Torhal, Fisker? |
| 20:18.34 | infamousX | If you're so worried about fallacious statements why are you making so many? |
| 20:18.38 | Torhal | will bring the cheese graters. |
| 20:18.44 | Snowkrim | because macros have pre-configured values to them, they dont come with a UI that allows you to configure it on the fly |
| 20:18.45 | Dagmar | Because at the moment, it's very very difficult to inject entire addons into the client with /run commands alone |
| 20:18.46 | Alram | I'll bring the Gouda. |
| 20:18.54 | Snowkrim | why they didn't add a time limit, idk, ask them i dont work for blizzard |
| 20:19.01 | Dagmar | ...and it would cause a much greater problem to ban /run commands entirely, since people can type them in at the keyboard. |
| 20:19.03 | Semlar | but addons also come pre-configured through the saved variables |
| 20:19.08 | Dagmar | ...but it's almost certain to happen eventually. |
| 20:19.11 | Snowkrim | ya but stuff like |
| 20:19.13 | Snowkrim | location |
| 20:19.15 | Snowkrim | size |
| 20:19.18 | Snowkrim | functionality sometimes |
| 20:19.21 | Snowkrim | can be configured via gui |
| 20:19.24 | Snowkrim | not the case with a script |
| 20:19.28 | Dagmar | Anyone who isn't an idiot can drop their addons _and_ configuration into a client in one drag and drop operation |
| 20:19.33 | Snowkrim | but i agree the rule doesn't make much sense |
| 20:19.33 | Semlar | no, if you can import your wtf folder, addons are all pre-configured |
| 20:19.38 | Snowkrim | yes |
| 20:19.55 | infamousX | You can't bring a USB drive to plug in to tournaments so you're all being ridiculous. |
| 20:19.57 | Snowkrim | this is a very old rule |
| 20:19.59 | Snowkrim | they never really revise their rules |
| 20:20.01 | Snowkrim | they don't care |
| 20:20.06 | Semlar | how is he bringing in the macro then |
| 20:20.06 | Snowkrim | denmark is still banned from competing |
| 20:20.12 | Snowkrim | even though online gambling law was changed in denmark in 2013 |
| 20:20.16 | Snowkrim | blizzard are idiots |
| 20:20.19 | Dagmar | Heck, I can do better than that. I can build a device that will type in everything in base64 |
| 20:20.21 | Snowkrim | when it comes to pvp events |
| 20:20.34 | infamousX | You can bring a paper with you with all of the scripts and whatever you need |
| 20:20.40 | Dagmar | ...which would immeditely result in a new rule change of "no homebrew hardware" at the very least |
| 20:20.42 | Semlar | he has to type it out? |
| 20:20.47 | infamousX | According to Cdew and Supatease, yes |
| 20:20.52 | Dagmar | ....but of course it wouldn't be cheating because it's not explicltly disallowed, yet. |
| 20:22.16 | Dagmar | Semlar: Yes, because having someone spending 30-45 minutes typing /run commands completely doesn't resurrect the problem of people taking an age to muddle through needlessly reconfiguring their addons |
| 20:22.20 | Semlar | you have to physically type out all of these macros at the start of the match? |
| 20:22.38 | Dagmar | My hardware can do it at a rate exceeding 200 cps easily |
| 20:22.48 | infamousX | Haha no. You get like 20 mins to set it up iirc. |
| 20:23.01 | Snowkrim | Semlar: no only at each login/logout |
| 20:23.11 | Semlar | but you have to type them |
| 20:23.21 | Semlar | you can't copy them in from another source |
| 20:23.27 | Snowkrim | Semlar: and i don't have to type anything, all the /run scripts are held in macros, macros I copy together with the WTF folder, those macros are bound to num1-9 |
| 20:23.29 | infamousX | no. no USB aloud |
| 20:23.37 | Snowkrim | you can put your wtf folder |
| 20:23.40 | Snowkrim | in your email |
| 20:23.41 | Snowkrim | and download it |
| 20:23.43 | Snowkrim | if you want.. |
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| 20:23.51 | Snowkrim | and insert the wtf to the wow installation dir |
| 20:23.55 | Snowkrim | so all your macros are there |
| 20:23.59 | Snowkrim | incl the scripts |
| 20:24.11 | Snowkrim | that are assigned to some hotkeys |
| 20:24.15 | Snowkrim | so you just press those and it's done |
| 20:24.18 | Semlar | okay, so you can physically download your entire WTF folder, WHY would addons have been banned for taking too long to set up |
| 20:24.26 | Snowkrim | ask blizzard |
| 20:24.28 | Snowkrim | rule is old and stupid |
| 20:24.33 | Snowkrim | it was like 2004 that they banned addons |
| 20:24.38 | Snowkrim | they dont revise or change rules like ever |
| 20:24.44 | infamousX | makes sense considering you'll have your keybinds and what not still |
| 20:24.49 | Dagmar | ...and sufficiently blocks people from using roboplay addons |
| 20:25.05 | Dagmar | ...which is of course why everyone should work really hard to sidestep the rule |
| 20:25.10 | infamousX | Dagmar |
| 20:25.11 | infamousX | Stop |
| 20:25.12 | infamousX | It's annoying |
| 20:25.19 | Dagmar | So is the _lying_ |
| 20:25.20 | infamousX | You've made your point |
| 20:25.24 | infamousX | Put it to rest |
| 20:25.33 | Alram | he'll drive it into the ground |
| 20:25.34 | Alram | you get used to it |
| 20:25.48 | Dagmar | Hey, at least I have my self-respect. |
| 20:25.56 | Snowkrim | xD |
| 20:26.14 | Dagmar | This kind of sophistry is why no one respects pvp players. |
| 20:26.54 | infamousX | That's a fallacious statement if I've ever seen/heard one; yet you're so worried about other people making the same mistake you just made. How ironic |
| 20:27.04 | Snowkrim | why you even talking to this guy |
| 20:27.19 | infamousX | I don't even know honestly |
| 20:27.23 | Snowkrim | :D |
| 20:27.36 | infamousX | trollololol |
| 20:27.36 | Dagmar | I hit a nerve when i apparently questioned his moral compass |
| 20:28.03 | infamousX | Snowkrim are you going to regionals? |
| 20:28.07 | Snowkrim | ya |
| 20:28.10 | Snowkrim | eu |
| 20:28.23 | infamousX | Nice :D congrats! |
| 20:28.33 | Snowkrim | thx^^ it's like third year in a row now |
| 20:28.37 | Semlar | is there a link somewhere with blizzard officially sanctioning the use of macros to recreate addons? |
| 20:28.44 | Snowkrim | been competing at last blizzcon too |
| 20:29.11 | infamousX | What team were you on? I was sitting in the front row during the arena tournament :D |
| 20:37.05 | Neffi | I didnt write the edit box because that might invoke their wrath. If they draw an arbitrary line between /run and addons, nobody knows wtf their thought process is and any little thing might set off a "cheating" flag |
| 20:37.37 | Semlar | disqualifies neffi |
| 20:37.38 | Neffi | they may decide if it's too accessible that's it's no longer OK. which of course is ass backward, but so is their policy on /run scripts |
| 20:38.02 | Neffi | anyway Snowkrim, like I said the functionality you want has nothing to do with that script |
| 20:38.20 | Semlar | i don't even know what he wants |
| 20:38.31 | Neffi | he seems to want to track player-created auras on enemies |
| 20:38.42 | Neffi | I wrote a script to add text to the actionbar cooldown circles |
| 20:38.43 | Semlar | crack cooldown? |
| 20:38.47 | Dagmar | Eventually they're going to have to just set things to blizzcon mode |
| 20:38.49 | Neffi | i dunno what that is |
| 20:38.56 | Snowkrim | Just omniCC timer for player buffs, target/focus debuffs |
| 20:38.59 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/crackcooldown |
| 20:39.03 | Snowkrim | but only ones applied by player |
| 20:39.08 | Snowkrim | nah not the cooldown don't need cds |
| 20:39.11 | Snowkrim | also hi neffi :D |
| 20:39.14 | Neffi | maybe |
| 20:39.43 | Neffi | well I literally just got back from a weekend of headache. I'm not doing a damn thing right now |
| 20:39.51 | Snowkrim | no worries |
| 20:39.53 | Neffi | except maybe smooching Semlar |
| 20:40.03 | Snowkrim | can't ask you for more than you've already done :P |
| 20:40.05 | Semlar | anyway, the first thing i would do is create an edit box to just import whatever arbitrary code you want because typing out multiple lines is dumb |
| 20:40.29 | Semlar | that way you can load whatever addons you want |
| 20:40.31 | Snowkrim | don't really want the edit box, that might trigger blizzard to not feel happy about it |
| 20:40.39 | Snowkrim | seems to shady even to myself |
| 20:40.46 | Semlar | why |
| 20:40.53 | Semlar | if having macros isn't then this isn't |
| 20:41.11 | Snowkrim | ya but it can be done without, so it would be ideal really :P |
| 20:41.27 | Snowkrim | and I don't have that many lines of stuff |
| 20:41.30 | Snowkrim | to warrant the need of this |
| 20:41.32 | Snowkrim | of course it's eaier to write |
| 20:41.38 | Snowkrim | since you don't need to minify(?) as much |
| 20:41.44 | Semlar | listen, if you can load any code you want using /run scripts and it's perfectly okay, then you shouldn't feel like this isn't allowed |
| 20:42.06 | Semlar | if anything |
| 20:42.10 | Semlar | you should think this is better |
| 20:42.14 | Snowkrim | I know it's better but |
| 20:42.17 | Snowkrim | kinda paranoid |
| 20:42.19 | Snowkrim | that they might think |
| 20:42.21 | Snowkrim | it's something third party |
| 20:42.22 | Semlar | because you were saying addons were banned because they take too long to set up |
| 20:42.28 | Snowkrim | since it doesn't exist in ui by default the edit box window |
| 20:42.29 | Semlar | this just speeds up the loading process |
| 20:42.30 | Neffi | except if they make a distinction at all (addons are not allowed) they're probably in a grey area that just hasnt been cracked down on yet |
| 20:42.37 | infamousX | why not ask holinka? |
| 20:42.40 | Neffi | there's a desire not to provoke that |
| 20:42.43 | Snowkrim | well we asked |
| 20:42.45 | Snowkrim | marc olbertz |
| 20:42.49 | Snowkrim | whos the eu admin |
| 20:42.51 | Snowkrim | and the esl admins |
| 20:42.56 | Snowkrim | and the replies are really vague |
| 20:43.00 | Snowkrim | they're like okay with it.. but they ahve no clue |
| 20:43.01 | Semlar | i want to provoke them to make a decision |
| 20:43.15 | Torhal | So...apparently cross-realms guildies is a thing. |
| 20:43.24 | Snowkrim | a player last year complained about a team using cooldown tracking script |
| 20:43.31 | Dagmar | A shim to slip addons in via /run will definitely do it |
| 20:43.32 | Snowkrim | and blizzard response was pretty much 'meh' |
| 20:44.04 | Semlar | Torhal: outside of coalesced realms? |
| 20:44.07 | infamousX | why not have both and if they arent okay with the edit box just have the macros? |
| 20:44.20 | Semlar | if they aren't okay with the edit box they aren't okay with the macros |
| 20:44.26 | Semlar | it's the same thing |
| 20:44.32 | Torhal | Semlar: Hell if I know. I got this comment a bit ago: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/frenemy#c18 |
| 20:44.59 | Torhal | So I suppose so. |
| 20:45.00 | Snowkrim | don't want to trigger any unnecesary negative thoughts on their behalf, since the gui window is not included in the UI by default they might think its something 3rd party etc |
| 20:45.02 | Semlar | Torhal: you can have guildies from different realms but only if they're coalesced, i THINK |
| 20:45.03 | Neffi | wait huh |
| 20:45.33 | Torhal | I'm adding support for it, drycoded of course since I haven't actually seen this in the wild... |
| 20:45.36 | Semlar | because i don't know how the hell you would join a guild on another server |
| 20:45.46 | Semlar | and you certainly couldn't transfer things out of the guild bank |
| 20:45.56 | foxlit | Nomenclature sucks. |
| 20:46.04 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 20:46.04 | foxlit | âCoalescedâ is what cross-realm zones do. |
| 20:46.49 | foxlit | You basically mean âConnected realmsâ (aka virtual realms), which is essentially permanent realm merges. |
| 20:46.52 | Semlar | whatever |
| 20:47.33 | nevcairiel | we have a guildy from a connected realm |
| 20:47.36 | nevcairiel | its becoming common |
| 20:47.40 | foxlit | (and the point of connected realms was more or less that they behave exactly as if they were one realm â so yeah, you can have guildmates from another realm connected to yours) |
| 20:47.41 | nevcairiel | with all the new connections |
| 20:48.07 | Semlar | connect everything |
| 20:48.41 | Semlar | down with segregation |
| 20:48.58 | Semlar | neffi i'm going to stage a sit-in |
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| 20:53.52 | A-KO | It's not really connected realms, they're merged |
| 20:53.58 | A-KO | they just didn't want to say mergers publicly :P |
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| 20:54.52 | nevcairiel | there is a distinct difference, merge would mean either or both original realms cease to exist |
| 20:55.12 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 20:55.13 | nevcairiel | which is not the case |
| 20:55.44 | nevcairiel | for practical purposes the outcome may be rather similar, but its still quite the distinction |
| 20:55.56 | nevcairiel | hence, it has its own name |
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| 21:01.31 | Flow_Snake | appy Birthday Seerah! |
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| 21:01.47 | Seerah | ??? |
| 21:01.51 | GeekDude | it's in the topic |
| 21:02.18 | Semlar | appy birthday seerah! |
| 21:02.31 | Seerah | Yes, I know. It was Thursday. But he joined, said that, and left. |
| 21:02.57 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, you weren't really around thursday, so, belated happy birthday! |
| 21:03.05 | Seerah | Thanks, nev! |
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| 21:05.12 | Torhal | I'd say "happy belated birthday," but I'm quite sure your birthday occurred precisely when it was supposed to. |
| 21:05.20 | Seerah | lol |
| 21:06.40 | GeekDude | Very merry unbirthday Seerah |
| 21:06.53 | Seerah | And a very merry unbirthday to you |
| 21:09.28 | infamousX | So where would I go to see how to put a world marker down with an addon? I'm looking at code that already exists but I'd like to see an official source.. like API, or something; because I don't understand. Still not very familiar with lua.... my bad if I sound idiotic. |
| 21:09.44 | nevcairiel | i think world markers are protected |
| 21:09.47 | nevcairiel | addons cant do them |
| 21:09.57 | nevcairiel | if we're thinking about the same thing |
| 21:10.08 | infamousX | like the colored thing you place in raids |
| 21:10.16 | nevcairiel | yeah, pretty sure thats protected |
| 21:10.17 | Semlar | on the ground |
| 21:10.24 | infamousX | yes! on the ground |
| 21:11.01 | Semlar | it's PlaceRaidMarker |
| 21:11.12 | Semlar | odds are it's protected |
| 21:11.32 | infamousX | bummer. |
| 21:11.40 | infamousX | That would explain why this doesn't work then. |
| 21:11.45 | Semlar | what are you trying to do |
| 21:12.08 | Semlar | i mean there's a macro command for it |
| 21:12.11 | infamousX | There's an addon that I have called EasyWorldMarker and I was going to try to fix it. |
| 21:12.46 | infamousX | It doesn't work for me. Nor does RaidMobMarker HUD |
| 21:12.59 | Semlar | looks like this addon literally uses the macro command |
| 21:14.00 | infamousX | RMM HUD won't show up and when I click on EWM buttons they dont give me a thing to place it. |
| 21:14.06 | Semlar | i'm assuming you're in a group? |
| 21:14.18 | infamousX | Yep |
| 21:14.26 | Semlar | type /wm 1 |
| 21:14.30 | Semlar | does that give you a reticle |
| 21:14.50 | infamousX | no |
| 21:14.56 | Semlar | then you can't place world markers |
| 21:15.04 | Semlar | it's not a problem with the addon |
| 21:15.49 | foxlit | Itâs a hilarious problem with the addon. |
| 21:16.12 | infamousX | what's the problem? |
| 21:16.14 | Semlar | oh the addon may be broken, but if /wm 1 doesn't work then he can't place markers |
| 21:16.55 | foxlit | infamousX: try /worldmarker 1 instead. |
| 21:17.33 | nevcairiel | can you even place them if you're ungrouped |
| 21:17.37 | Semlar | no |
| 21:17.45 | Semlar | i don't even know if you can place them in a party |
| 21:17.53 | infamousX | "RaidMobMarkerHUD has been blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI. You can disable this addon and reload the UI." |
| 21:17.57 | Semlar | you might have to be raid leader or assist |
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| 21:18.02 | infamousX | comes up when I use /worldmarker 1 |
| 21:18.15 | nevcairiel | there you go, function is protected! |
| 21:18.16 | Neffi | hooray for taint |
| 21:18.38 | infamousX | interesting tho, now that my alt isn't offline, wm 1 works |
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| 21:20.04 | Semlar | an addon can create a bunch of macro buttons that just call the world marker slash command |
| 21:20.39 | Semlar | as for easyworldmarker, they made the mistake of making /wm one of their slash commands |
| 21:21.01 | foxlit | (now why is that a mistake?) |
| 21:21.38 | Semlar | because it's overwriting the default slash command that they're calling? |
| 21:21.53 | infamousX | doesn't that mean it's a global function instead of local? |
| 21:21.56 | foxlit | meh, B-. |
| 21:21.58 | infamousX | I don't know shit so maybe not |
| 21:22.16 | Semlar | surely this never worked |
| 21:22.29 | Semlar | unless you can't overwrite these commands |
| 21:22.50 | infamousX | It's working for me now that my alt isn't offline.. |
| 21:22.56 | infamousX | Wasn't working before. |
| 21:23.43 | infamousX | but I do see what you mean by the slash command |
| 21:23.55 | infamousX | SLASH_EASYWORLDMARKER2 = "/wm"; |
| 21:24.08 | Semlar | i would think that would cause a conflict, but who knows |
| 21:24.20 | Semlar | they're literally calling /wm 1 through their macros |
| 21:24.23 | foxlit | it does, but in the opposite direction: /wm would never belong to their addon. |
| 21:25.46 | foxlit | canât override secure slash commands that way. |
| 21:25.51 | Semlar | i mean either this overrides the blizzard slash command or the blizzard slash command overrides this |
| 21:26.02 | Semlar | they can't both work of course |
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| 21:26.28 | nevcairiel | oh yeah secure slash commands use their own structure where they are stored |
| 21:26.31 | nevcairiel | i remember now! |
| 21:26.39 | nevcairiel | they always take precedence |
| 21:28.12 | Semlar | i actually didn't know you couldn't override the secure slash commands because i prehooked the join channel command at one point |
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| 21:28.30 | Semlar | i'm sure i didn't do it this way though |
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| 21:28.38 | Semlar | and it's probably not secure |
| 21:28.55 | nevcairiel | you can of course somehow hook into the functions they call |
| 21:29.14 | Semlar | i think i replaced the actual edit box function |
| 21:29.57 | Semlar | this is when i was trying to prevent joining a custom channel from interfering with other channel numbers |
| 21:30.12 | Semlar | so i forced it to leave the custom channel before joining a new one |
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| 21:31.07 | nevcairiel | custom channels are just a big PITA |
| 21:31.18 | nevcairiel | for addon usage anyway |
| 21:31.18 | Semlar | meh |
| 21:31.27 | Semlar | no kidding |
| 21:31.55 | Semlar | it looks like i replaced ChatEdit_HandleChatType with my own function |
| 21:32.17 | Semlar | god knows what i broke in the process |
| 21:32.26 | nevcairiel | i usually leave all the standard zone channels anyway, and back in the day i was in maybe 2-3 custom channels for just chatting, if an addon tried to create its own custom channel and hide it, that usually caused chaos |
| 21:32.50 | nevcairiel | its even worse when you're in the standard zone channels still |
| 21:33.38 | Semlar | oh this might have just been to prevent the player from typing into the custom channel with a slash command |
| 21:34.30 | Semlar | SlashCmdList["JOIN"] = function(...) |
| 21:34.37 | Semlar | there we go |
| 21:35.05 | nevcairiel | thats not a secure command then |
| 21:35.22 | Semlar | yeah i just straight up replaced the entry in the slash command list |
| 21:35.49 | nevcairiel | SecureCmdList is for the secure commands |
| 21:35.56 | nevcairiel | they only put those actually needing to be secure in there |
| 21:36.19 | nevcairiel | and its hashed into a local table on load, so that you couldnt even mess with it if you wanted to |
| 21:36.54 | nevcairiel | or so is the theory anyway |
| 21:37.04 | nevcairiel | probably is a way to really mess with it if you want to |
| 21:37.08 | nevcairiel | but those are secure for a reason :D |
| 21:37.19 | Mr_Rabies | <Semlar> it looks like i replaced ChatEdit_HandleChatType with my own function |
| 21:37.30 | Mr_Rabies | i swear you're like dr. frankenstein sometimes |
| 21:37.59 | nevcairiel | thats ok, t hat function is called after all secure chat handling is done with |
| 21:38.09 | Semlar | well, i think i was trying to prevent you from typing /4 and having it convert it into channel-talk mode |
| 21:38.29 | Semlar | i wanted it to look like the addon channel didn't even exist |
| 21:38.59 | phelps | so |
| 21:39.04 | phelps | https://gist.github.com/benphelps/c113310688263f34e4f3 |
| 21:39.42 | phelps | the hardest part is getting it in < 255 for each macro |
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| 21:40.50 | Semlar | you know there's a UnitAura function |
| 21:41.13 | phelps | didn't work |
| 21:41.18 | phelps | i tried |
| 21:41.29 | Seerah | globals named _mbt and F? |
| 21:41.56 | phelps | just _mbt |
| 21:41.58 | nevcairiel | F is part of the _mbt table |
| 21:42.11 | Seerah | oh, you're right |
| 21:42.14 | Semlar | well he's not going to be running into conflicts with addons |
| 21:42.24 | Seerah | and you know you don't need to split it all onto separate lines with /run for each line, right? |
| 21:42.37 | Semlar | this is for the tournament realm |
| 21:42.40 | phelps | it needs to fit in the 255 macro limit |
| 21:42.43 | Semlar | where they don't actually have access to addons |
| 21:43.00 | Semlar | so they're trying to replicate addons through macros |
| 21:44.10 | Semlar | regardless of the questionably grey area this falls under |
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| 21:44.35 | phelps | lol |
| 21:45.08 | Seerah | Oh I see - each line is longer than I think and is a separate macro. (I've been half-asleep for the past hour or so) |
| 21:45.33 | phelps | its harder than that though, you can't just break it at 255 and continue on |
| 21:45.43 | phelps | each line must run on its own to create the addon |
| 21:46.21 | foxlit | _=_..[[]]; loadstring(_)() |
| 21:46.26 | Semlar | yep |
| 21:46.47 | Semlar | if this were me i would just make an edit box that loadstrings its contents |
| 21:46.59 | nevcairiel | thats what i said yesterday |
| 21:47.09 | Semlar | but apparently, even though this is completely allowed and endorsed by blizzard, they don't feel comfortable doing that |
| 21:47.10 | nevcairiel | shouldnt be too many lines to setup a small window |
| 21:47.18 | Semlar | because someone might actually notice |
| 21:47.27 | Seerah | keep in mind that if Blizzard does not like players exploiting the macro system to get around the "no addons" rule/restriction, they won't be happy. They'll likely disable /run and /dump for those servers (as they do at the start of beta tests) |
| 21:47.28 | nevcairiel | i bet something like this exists anyway from the beta exploits of some people |
| 21:47.29 | Semlar | and say maybe this isn't actually allowed |
| 21:47.35 | Dagmar | Gosh imagine that |
| 21:48.03 | Seerah | because that's what this is - exploitation of the macro system |
| 21:48.15 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:48.27 | phelps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.34 | Semlar | <_< |
| 21:49.27 | Seerah | phelps: which is being used within the macro system. must you be so technical? |
| 21:49.38 | phelps | yes |
| 21:49.48 | Semlar | yeah there's literally no difference between a bunch of /run scripts and pasting an entire addon into an edit box |
| 21:49.49 | phelps | you can just put them in the chat box and the same result will come |
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| 21:50.06 | phelps | normal macros are fine |
| 21:50.20 | phelps | these aren't really "macros" in the macro sense |
| 21:50.22 | Semlar | you're just creating an arms race between who can make the more ridiculous macros |
| 21:50.30 | phelps | they just happen to be stored in the macro text box |
| 21:51.03 | Seerah | you're getting very nitpicky about this, but what I said is still true. Blizzard can and will disable /run and /dump if they so choose. |
| 21:51.27 | foxlit | itâll rain tomorrow if it rains tomorrow. |
| 21:51.31 | Seerah | whether you copy-paste into the editbox or store it in the macro window |
| 21:51.45 | nevcairiel | Seerah: apparently the people doing this believe blizzard simply doesnt care |
| 21:52.00 | Semlar | well, they don't want to accept what they're doing might not be okay because then they couldn't do it |
| 21:52.24 | Semlar | so obviously they're going to justify it |
| 21:52.26 | nevcairiel | in their believe, the only reason addons are disallowed is because it took people too long to setup their addons on the tournament PC and it didnt get going in time, so, they disabled them |
| 21:52.37 | nevcairiel | it sounds crazy, but thats what the guy claimed! |
| 21:53.04 | Seerah | obviously. Has nothing to do with leveling the playing field. ;) |
| 21:53.07 | Semlar | yeah, well, i offered a quicker solution through loadstring and they thought that might be going too far |
| 21:53.27 | infamousX | if I do t:SetShadowOffset(-1, -1) do I have to add t:SetShadowColor as well? if not what will it default to? |
| 21:53.37 | Semlar | black |
| 21:53.42 | nevcairiel | try it, let us know! |
| 21:53.42 | infamousX | perfect |
| 21:54.01 | infamousX | finally understanding this thing called lua ;) or at least the basics |
| 21:55.14 | Semlar | if i were competing in one of these things i would literally load up something like gladius |
| 21:55.33 | phelps | haha |
| 21:56.09 | Semlar | if the real reason you can't load addons is a time constraint |
| 21:56.12 | infamousX | iirc dannycarey (MW monk) set up his whole TellMeWhen last year somehow |
| 21:56.31 | Seerah | Semlar: but is it? ;) |
| 21:56.54 | Semlar | i seriously doubt it, but apparently everyone uses these macro scripts so who knows |
| 21:56.58 | Neffi_ | infamousX: his name is dannycarey? |
| 21:57.15 | infamousX | Yes, in game. Not sure what his real name is. |
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| 21:57.19 | foxlit | it wouldnât be the first time blizzardâs rules are inconsistent and nonsensical. |
| 21:57.25 | Neffi_ | Well it's probably not danny carey |
| 21:57.29 | Neffi_ | that's one of my favorite drummers |
| 21:57.38 | infamousX | Most likely that's what he got the inspiration from then |
| 21:57.50 | Semlar | the only real issue i see is how would you load up custom textures |
| 21:58.09 | nevcairiel | foxlit: not sure this guy was even talking about blizzards own tournaments, but some other leagues |
| 21:58.09 | phelps | there are plenty of textures to use |
| 21:58.15 | Semlar | surely you'd have to use textures from the game |
| 21:58.33 | infamousX | nevcairiel he was talking about regionals for WoW |
| 21:59.14 | foxlit | Personally, I just donât want to write 255-character drivel, so I feel like the rules should be changed to either disable /run and co, or enable addons. |
| 21:59.22 | infamousX | but I don't personally think it's due to time constraints either, they must have a different reason for not allowing addons. |
| 21:59.42 | foxlit | Of course, those rules will be changed right about the time they fix UIDropDownMenu. |
| 21:59.53 | nevcairiel | tomorrow? :) |
| 22:00.00 | Semlar | never! |
| 22:00.01 | foxlit | neeeeeveeeeer. |
| 22:00.04 | infamousX | what's wrong with that? |
| 22:00.07 | nevcairiel | i was afraid of that |
| 22:00.11 | infamousX | UIDropDownMenu |
| 22:00.15 | Neffi_ | infamousX: it's a taint nightmare |
| 22:00.17 | foxlit | but, you could port purrmetheus to a 255-character macro, easy. |
| 22:00.23 | foxlit | FOR GREAT PONY. |
| 22:00.32 | phelps | does purrmetheus still work |
| 22:00.34 | infamousX | I don't know what taint is either :D lol |
| 22:00.35 | nevcairiel | that reminds me that I still have to fix the instance maps module for 6.0 |
| 22:00.42 | Semlar | yeah you could definitely exploit some things through the macro system |
| 22:00.42 | nevcairiel | or i just leave it disabled and see if anyone misses it! |
| 22:01.04 | Semlar | what kind of instance maps |
| 22:01.08 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:01.09 | nevcairiel | foxlit: so there is still holes left through which purrmetheus can creep? |
| 22:01.21 | Semlar | i know of at least one |
| 22:01.27 | foxlit | plenty. |
| 22:01.54 | nevcairiel | Semlar: i just modified the world maps zone selectors so you can also look at the instance maps without being in them, but the selectors being dropdowns ... it tainted the hell out of it :P |
| 22:02.01 | Semlar | ah |
| 22:02.03 | Neffi_ | ohh. write Purrmetheus 2.0: The Rawr |
| 22:02.24 | nevcairiel | i never used the feature myself |
| 22:02.27 | nevcairiel | wonder if people did |
| 22:02.43 | foxlit | The trouble is always that I donât want to require a particularly heavy-handed patch to fix things. |
| 22:02.47 | Semlar | i rarely look at a map that i'm not on |
| 22:02.59 | Semlar | maybe zone maps to see where i'm going |
| 22:03.00 | Neffi_ | I've used them, but rarely, nevcairiel. but it's definitely cool that they're there |
| 22:03.16 | Semlar | 23 skidoo! |
| 22:03.25 | foxlit | Itâs like âokay, to fix this, weâll have to kill all unit frames. all on board?â |
| 22:05.43 | Neffi_ | "to kill this we'll have to ban foxlit. all on board?" |
| 22:07.09 | foxlit | (unit frames chosen at random; itâs actually the combat log. or is it?) |
| 22:07.41 | nevcairiel | as long as its not action bars |
| 22:07.58 | nevcairiel | its my main source of wow-related income! |
| 22:08.01 | infamousX | if I don't include frame:SetBackdropBorderColor with it default to black as well? |
| 22:08.17 | infamousX | will it* |
| 22:08.44 | foxlit | no; itâll default to the texture. |
| 22:08.57 | infamousX | so black would be what, 1? |
| 22:09.10 | foxlit | thatâs eventually resolved to SetVertexColor. |
| 22:09.24 | Neffi_ | infamousX: 1,1,1,1; yes |
| 22:09.45 | infamousX | thanks! you guys are awesome |
| 22:09.57 | Neffi_ | but not necessarily white. just the real color of the texture |
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| 23:03.52 | infamousX | Are there any notable highlight textures other than UI-QuestTitleHighlight ? |
| 23:03.56 | infamousX | I hate the yellow |
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| 23:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | 7 min pug scholomance :v |
| 23:16.25 | Mr_Rabies | tanking in cat form :D |
| 23:17.01 | Mr_Rabies | did about 50% of the group's dps, and the dk in the group did about 40% |
| 23:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | i also did 50% of the healing :v |
| 23:17.30 | Mr_Rabies | and took 66% of the damage |
| 23:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | eat it, 5 mans :p |
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| 23:37.26 | infamousX | Can anyone tell me why the top border of my EWM frame: http://imgur.com/ZOF8BVb is larger than the rest? I've edited the original lua to my liking but I can't figure this top border out. |
| 23:37.32 | infamousX | http://pastebin.com/cKLmFNEu |
| 23:37.38 | infamousX | That's the code associated. |
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| 23:51.01 | znf | does anyone happen to have/know of an easy way to generate a dictionary-based password? (short, like 8-10 letters) |
| 23:51.49 | znf | all the ways I'm coming up with are much more complex than I would like |
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