| 00:00.05 | Primer | not WoW/Interface/AddOns |
| 00:00.39 | Semlar | no it isn't |
| 00:00.39 | Primer | I was using tab completion in mintty to cp some files over, and had to hit tab a few extra times |
| 00:01.08 | Primer | daniel@daniel /cygdrive/c/Games/World of Warcraft Beta $ ls |
| 00:01.08 | Primer | BlizzardError.exe Data dbghelp.dll interface Launcher.db SystemSurvey.exe Utils World of Warcraft Beta Launcher.exe Wow.exe Wow-64.exe WowB.exe WowB-64.exe |
| 00:01.27 | Primer | daniel@daniel /cygdrive/c/Games/World of Warcraft Beta $ ls interface/ |
| 00:01.27 | Primer | addons |
| 00:01.31 | Semlar | World of Warcraft Beta\Interface\AddOns |
| 00:01.45 | Gnarfoz | mine is just like it always has been |
| 00:01.55 | Primer | I installed this fresh yesterday |
| 00:01.57 | Semlar | not that it matters, because i'm using an operating system that doesn't give a fuck |
| 00:02.02 | Primer | that's what it installed |
| 00:02.19 | Gnarfoz | let me test that, then |
| 00:03.08 | Primer | hrmm, I haven't run this yet either |
| 00:03.15 | Primer | I wonder if things will change when I do |
| 00:03.25 | Primer | daniel@daniel /cygdrive/c/Games/World of Warcraft Beta $ ls interface/addons/ |
| 00:03.26 | Primer | !BugGrabber Ace3 Astrolabe BugSack LibAboutPanel |
| 00:03.45 | Primer | All I did was use CC to add the same addons I have in the PTR |
| 00:05.23 | Primer | nope, didn't change, but the game did copy its own files into the addons directory |
| 00:06.22 | Gnarfoz | as it does |
| 00:07.45 | Stanzilla | curse client creates it lowercase |
| 00:13.25 | Gnarfoz | actually, WoW itself installs without it IIRC |
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| 00:16.35 | Primer | Stanzilla: I guess that explains it then |
| 00:16.48 | Primer | Is it legal to stream the beta? |
| 00:16.55 | kd3|hate`net | yes |
| 00:16.57 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 00:17.00 | Primer | Just making sure |
| 00:17.00 | kd3|hate`net | it was legal to stream the alpha |
| 00:17.14 | Primer | Thinking about streaming my addon fixing session :) |
| 00:17.17 | Gnarfoz | how could it be illegal :p |
| 00:17.36 | Primer | I wonder how my computer would handle sending 2 streams out at the same time |
| 00:17.43 | Primer | one of my game, the other of my editor |
| 00:17.56 | Primer | Gnarfoz: well, against some NDA or whatever |
| 00:17.59 | Semlar | i don't even have enough bandwidth to upload one stream |
| 00:18.01 | Gnarfoz | NDAs are not law |
| 00:18.08 | Semlar | yes they are? |
| 00:18.12 | Gnarfoz | (and you'd know about an NDA since you'd have signed them) |
| 00:18.17 | Gnarfoz | no, they're not? they're contracts. |
| 00:18.18 | Primer | Civil law |
| 00:18.25 | Semlar | ummm |
| 00:18.25 | Gnarfoz | they are not laws |
| 00:18.31 | Semlar | what do you think a contract is |
| 00:18.34 | Primer | Perhaps not in .de |
| 00:18.39 | Gnarfoz | an agreement between two parties |
| 00:18.45 | foxlit | (what do you think a law is?) |
| 00:18.50 | Primer | But here in 'Murica, those things are taken very seriously |
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| 00:19.13 | Semlar | i'm assuming he's saying there are no legal implications for violating a contract, which is completely false |
| 00:19.26 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 00:19.29 | foxlit | your assumption is entirelly unresaonble. |
| 00:19.30 | Gnarfoz | no I didn't? |
| 00:19.39 | Semlar | you said it wasn't illegal to violate a contract |
| 00:19.42 | Semlar | that's exactly what you said |
| 00:19.42 | foxlit | but probably with less typos. |
| 00:20.08 | Gnarfoz | I said "how could streaming the beta be illegal" |
| 00:20.39 | Gnarfoz | it could be in violation of your contract with Blizzard :| |
| 00:20.46 | Gnarfoz | do NDAs have some special legal status in the US |
| 00:20.49 | Gnarfoz | that I'm missing |
| 00:20.59 | Semlar | what do you think the point of an NDA is |
| 00:21.09 | foxlit | (and illegal is âin violation of a lawâ, which brings us right back to laws =/= contracts) |
| 00:21.16 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 00:21.30 | Primer | ok, this setting that causes my camera to "level off" when I move forward is incredibly annoying |
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| 00:21.38 | Gnarfoz | turn it off, then (: |
| 00:21.52 | Gnarfoz | (interface/camera) |
| 00:22.23 | Semlar | do contracts just not have legal status outside of america or something |
| 00:22.33 | Gnarfoz | "legal status" does not mean "they are laws" |
| 00:22.49 | Primer | yeah, I had been looking for the setting. Thanks |
| 00:22.50 | Semlar | you are legally bound by the contract |
| 00:23.19 | Primer | wtf, why is there a 30' tall human at the entrance of SW |
| 00:23.32 | kd3 | just for beta. he starts the tanaan intro |
| 00:24.04 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: for (random) reference: also no ipv6 for beta |
| 00:25.08 | Primer | this cinematic is not available!!!!! |
| 00:25.12 | Primer | fucking tease |
| 00:27.06 | Dagmar | Primer: Don't feel bad. He's supposed to be really obvious but lots of people are so used to folks screwing around on the PTR we walk right past him without a second thought. |
| 00:27.14 | Dagmar | I just have one question tho'... |
| 00:27.37 | Primer | dammit, I didn't want to come to Dreanor |
| 00:27.42 | Primer | I wanted to stay in SW |
| 00:27.45 | Dagmar | Why is the 30' Tauren in Stormwind not a bigger source of surprise? |
| 00:28.04 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sidenote: the game menu micromenubutton tooltip actually states which type of connection you're using, no idea if it does that on live, I don't have a micromenu there, I think |
| 00:28.12 | kd3 | because beta/ptr's always used to flaskataur? |
| 00:28.38 | Gnarfoz | because Blizzard only added Alliance because a game with only one faction would have been boring? |
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| 00:29.08 | Dagmar | Oh that's what people call him? Heh |
| 00:29.34 | Gnarfoz | uh, that's *what* he's called |
| 00:29.35 | Primer | So, is there an update event for the watch frame? |
| 00:29.46 | kd3 | he's been called flaskataur since... ptr 2.1? |
| 00:29.51 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Flaskataur |
| 00:29.57 | Dagmar | I never noticed a nameplate |
| 00:30.15 | Primer | I used to just hook into WatchFrame_OnUpdate or some such |
| 00:30.21 | Dagmar | If you're expecting dwarves to look up, you're going to be disappointed. |
| 00:31.23 | Dagmar | Short races almost never use first-person camera... because "Lord of the Crotches" is not going to be a popular game. |
| 00:32.15 | Gnarfoz | ok. |
| 00:32.28 | Primer | What if you're a voyeur? |
| 00:32.40 | Dagmar | Then there are _actual_ crotches you can stare at |
| 00:32.55 | Primer | Speak for yourself |
| 00:33.03 | Primer | I'm in a room by myself |
| 00:33.07 | Dagmar | For free. With countless new crotches being added daily. |
| 00:33.13 | Primer | No crotches here other than my own |
| 00:33.18 | Dagmar | ChatRoulette. |
| 00:33.29 | Primer | My wife doesn't like it when I do that |
| 00:33.44 | Primer | SOOOOOOOO |
| 00:33.46 | Primer | hooksecurefunc("WatchFrame_Update", function() |
| 00:33.50 | Primer | How do I do that now? |
| 00:34.21 | Gnarfoz | weren't there 3 other people doing the same thing just the last few days |
| 00:34.30 | Primer | dunno |
| 00:34.32 | Primer | You tell me |
| 00:34.44 | foxlit | step 1: export framexml code |
| 00:34.48 | foxlit | step 2: look at it. |
| 00:34.53 | foxlit | step 3: cry in a corner. :( |
| 00:35.00 | Primer | I'd rather pester people here |
| 00:35.02 | Gnarfoz | nah, you're next door, too, do it yourself :P |
| 00:35.27 | foxlit | If youâre feeling terribly pragmatic, itâs probably on someoneâs github, with the directory structure intact. |
| 00:35.34 | Primer | I suppose I could just check the output of GetQuestWatchInfo(1) every second... |
| 00:35.39 | Gnarfoz | (it was also just a guess, I know WatchFrame has been mentioned a lot recently) |
| 00:36.01 | Primer | but that seems like a shitty thing to do |
| 00:38.54 | Primer | doh, it seg'd |
| 00:43.00 | Primer | 1x 18LibMapData-1.0-1141\library.lua:2298: Usage: SetMapZoom(continentIndex [,zoneIndex]) .. requested continent out of bounds |
| 00:43.03 | Primer | Any fix for that? |
| 00:43.15 | Primer | Same for Astrolabe, perhaps? |
| 00:43.18 | Primer | Seems similar |
| 00:44.57 | Gnarfoz | there's a fixed LibMapData around, ask Stanzilla |
| 00:47.44 | Primer | ok, wtf, I patched my Astrolabe and I can't find the line I changed |
| 00:47.59 | Primer | should just do a checkout of this instead |
| 00:48.55 | Gnarfoz | sounds more like you should go to sleep ;P |
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| 00:50.00 | Primer | love it when I type ctrl-w by mistake... |
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| 00:54.22 | Primer | Good thing I have logs going back to the beginning of time |
| 00:56.45 | Primer | Semlar: doh, that paste you put up with the Astrolabe fix is gone |
| 00:56.53 | Semlar | raptured |
| 00:57.23 | Semlar | if you patched astrolabe with it just look for SetMapZoom |
| 00:58.07 | Primer | yeah, I found it |
| 00:58.16 | Primer | hoping this will apply to LibMapData as well |
| 00:58.24 | Semlar | i just looped over the table entries and removed every other one |
| 00:59.17 | Kesava | why do i keep seeing games doing dithered alpha rather than real alpha |
| 00:59.30 | Kesava | i'm starting to wonder if i've messed something up in my gpu settings |
| 01:00.33 | Primer | FUCKING HATE WINDOWS!!!!! |
| 01:00.43 | Primer | Can't rename a directory because "another program has it open" |
| 01:00.55 | kd3 | safe mode, go go |
| 01:01.06 | Primer | uhh no |
| 01:03.32 | Primer | it was eclipse |
| 01:03.33 | Primer | POS |
| 01:03.41 | Semlar | tries to calm primer down |
| 01:04.03 | Primer | Linux would not have stopped me from renaming the directory |
| 01:04.09 | Primer | it knows what inode the file was in |
| 01:04.18 | Primer | it doesn't need a directory name to track that shit |
| 01:05.23 | Primer | So, it was mentioned that perhaps someone has a fixed LibMapData? |
| 01:05.33 | Primer | If so, could you hook a brotha up, please? |
| 01:06.46 | Semlar | why do you have libmapdata and astrolabe |
| 01:07.08 | Primer | because astrolabe has a handy "put icon on map" function |
| 01:07.13 | Primer | err minimap |
| 01:07.22 | Semlar | yeah, astrolabe could completely replace libmapdata |
| 01:07.25 | Primer | and this is two separate addons |
| 01:07.33 | Primer | the other addon I did with LibMapData |
| 01:09.34 | Primer | ok, the same code you used to fix Astrolabe fixed LibMapData |
| 01:10.01 | Semlar | good |
| 01:11.46 | Primer | hrmm, copying over SV/Prat.lua wasn't enough, it seems |
| 01:12.11 | Primer | or some settings just aren't part of Prat |
| 01:12.43 | Primer | like, the number of tabs, the location of the chat window, the fact that I hide the icons, etc. |
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| 01:14.22 | Primer | ChatFrameMenuButton |
| 01:15.45 | bluspacecow | *noms* |
| 01:16.01 | Primer | ok, seems there's a global and per toon file |
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| 01:16.11 | bluspacecow | *noms Primer* |
| 01:16.28 | Semlar | no bluspacecow |
| 01:16.35 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 01:16.47 | Semlar | we do not put things in our mouths |
| 01:17.28 | bluspacecow | *has something in his mouth right meow* |
| 01:17.30 | Primer | I can only imagine the hell it must be for people who don't know how to configure this shit on major expansion release day |
| 01:17.43 | Primer | my UI is almost back to normal |
| 01:18.11 | bluspacecow | *giefs winegum to Primer* |
| 01:19.21 | Primer | I have no idea what that means |
| 01:19.38 | Neffi | well google isn't helping. can I force a few line breaks in a reddit post? this formatting is terribly ugly |
| 01:19.51 | Semlar | double line break |
| 01:20.30 | Neffi | No. It discards empty lines, and formats non-empty lines into <p> tags |
| 01:20.59 | Neffi | You can force a (single) inside a <p> tag, but I can't figure out how to insert an entirely empty line |
| 01:21.16 | Primer | well, Moveanything just isn't going to work...oh well |
| 01:21.21 | Semlar | a new line break will start a new paragraph |
| 01:21.30 | Semlar | double line break i mean |
| 01:22.04 | Semlar | alternatively put two spaces at the end of the line |
| 01:23.38 | Neffi | I've tried all combinations of that. It refuses to let me insert blank lines |
| 01:23.56 | Primer | shouldn't I be able to /run local f=ObjectiveTrackerFrame; f:EnableMouse(true); f:SetMovable(true) ? |
| 01:24.01 | Primer | Am I missing something? |
| 01:24.02 | kd3 | http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax |
| 01:24.06 | Neffi | as it stands this is extremely ugly, Semlar http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/2gwvwl |
| 01:25.31 | Semlar | line breaks neffi |
| 01:26.32 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.17 | Semlar | if you need to force multiple breaks |
| 01:28.26 | Neffi | yeah, I dont think this works for the OP post |
| 01:29.41 | Semlar | that's too bad |
| 01:30.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.34 | Neffi | Pastebin exactly what the hell you types there |
| 01:32.43 | Semlar | that's exactly what i copied |
| 01:33.12 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.16 | Semlar | line break followed by another line break |
| 01:34.33 | Primer | 6x TipTac\core.lua:783: Division by zero |
| 01:34.33 | Primer | yay |
| 01:34.41 | Semlar | it creates a paragraph tag with a space in it |
| 01:35.37 | Neffi | oh, you manually inserted " "? |
| 01:35.49 | Semlar | ..yes |
| 01:35.53 | Neffi | <_< |
| 01:35.56 | Semlar | look at my paste! |
| 01:36.13 | bluspacecow | *noms Semlars paste* |
| 01:36.23 | Semlar | no bluspacecow |
| 01:37.19 | Neffi | alright, all good. thanks snookems |
| 01:37.31 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 01:53.49 | Primer | ugh, wtf, why does the nameplate go transparent when I target something? |
| 01:57.02 | Semlar | how long have you been on the beta |
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| 02:21.11 | Primer | What else must I do other than this to move the objective frame? /run local f=ObjectiveTrackerFrame; f:EnableMouse(true); f:SetMovable(true) ? |
| 02:27.48 | Neffi | f:SetScript('OnMouseDown,f.StartMoving) f:SetScript('OnMouseUp',f.StopMovingOrSizing) -- I'm not sure if it already uses OnMouseDown/Up. Maybe want to use OnDragStart/Stop, along with f:RegisterForDrag |
| 02:27.54 | Neffi | or you may need to use :HookScript |
| 02:28.17 | Primer | yeah, I found the rest of the code |
| 02:28.30 | Primer | started pasting it, but the chat input ran out |
| 02:28.47 | Neffi | That may have consequences, by the way |
| 02:29.08 | Neffi | I dont know how the ObjectiveTrackerFrame dynamically expands in size. It may rely on weird anchors to do this, which moving it would probably break |
| 02:29.18 | Semlar | if it's anything like the watch frame good luck getting it to stay put |
| 02:29.48 | Primer | yeah, I'm guessing it's one of those that's tied to the minimap |
| 02:30.00 | Primer | I know that in 5.x I have to use chinchilla to position it |
| 02:31.54 | Primer | except the examples that I have uses OnDragStart |
| 02:31.57 | Primer | not OnMouseDown |
| 02:33.05 | Neffi | yeah, that's fine too |
| 02:33.31 | Neffi | with OnDragStart you need to move the mouse several pixels before the frame starts moving. with OnMouseDown, the moving happens as soon as you press down |
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| 02:34.26 | Semlar | and you have to register for drag |
| 02:34.33 | Primer | /run local f=ObjectiveTrackerFrame;f:EnableMouse(true);f:SetMovable(true);f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton");f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMovingOrSizing);f:SetScript("OnDragStop",f.StopMovingOrSizing) |
| 02:34.38 | Primer | is what I've tried |
| 02:34.41 | Primer | doesn't work |
| 02:35.40 | Neffi | StartMoving |
| 02:35.44 | Neffi | not StartMovingOrSizing |
| 02:35.50 | Primer | tries |
| 02:36.32 | Primer | yay, it works |
| 02:38.39 | Semlar | starts moving or sizing neffi |
| 02:39.47 | Neffi | starts spontaneously emitting neutrons |
| 02:39.54 | Neffi | dafuq man |
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| 02:41.56 | Neffi | wtf is happening to Ars Technica |
| 02:42.14 | Neffi | Not a single article on the new Maxwell GPUs. I would've expected a pretty detailed technical post on them by now |
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| 02:42.47 | Semlar | maxwell's hammer? |
| 02:43.07 | Neffi | maybe? |
| 02:43.16 | Semlar | the beatles neffi |
| 02:43.21 | Neffi | also they should totally release a Maxwell-based GTX Titan Demon |
| 02:43.33 | Neffi | I don't really listen to the Beatles |
| 02:44.32 | Primer | heh, it's already moved back |
| 02:44.44 | Primer | oh, doh, I did a /rl |
| 02:45.08 | Semlar | SetUserPlaced |
| 02:45.46 | Neffi | Semlar: frame:StartMoving() -> "This function automatically flags the widget as user-positioned." |
| 02:46.29 | Semlar | umm no it doesn't |
| 02:46.43 | Semlar | otherwise it wouldn't have moved back |
| 02:46.45 | Primer | /run local f=ObjectiveTrackerFrame;f:EnableMouse(true);f:SetMovable(true);f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton");f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMovingOr);f:SetScript("OnDragStop",f.StopMovingOrSizing); f:SetUserPlaced(true) |
| 02:46.47 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2qGAoK/?utm_campaign=puppies_first&utm_source=facebook_sup&utm_medium=em_happy&utm_term=18-34&utm_content=ALL |
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| 02:46.50 | Primer | then did /rl |
| 02:46.53 | Primer | and it went back |
| 02:47.03 | Neffi | Semlar: framexml is enforcing the default position at or after PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 02:47.16 | Neffi | or the frame doesn't exist at PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 02:47.25 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
| 02:47.44 | Neffi | Primer: f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMovingOr); -> f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMoving); -- Notice the `Or` |
| 02:47.55 | Semlar | i know for a fact calling StartMoving doesn't make it remember its position automatically |
| 02:48.15 | Primer | err |
| 02:48.22 | Primer | wtf, how'd that get there? :) |
| 02:48.26 | Iriel | Myt money is on it being anchored at some point when the playerâs quests show up. |
| 02:48.54 | Semlar | maybe |
| 02:48.55 | Primer | /run local f=ObjectiveTrackerFrame;f:EnableMouse(true);f:SetMovable(true);f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton");f:SetScript("OnDragStart",f.StartMoving);f:SetScript("OnDragStop",f.StopMovingOrSizing); f:SetUserPlaced(true) |
| 02:49.03 | Primer | I advanced the quest to force it to change |
| 02:49.07 | Primer | and it didn't move back |
| 02:50.06 | Primer | nm, it just moved back on its own |
| 02:53.46 | Semlar | maybe it's haunted |
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| 02:58.38 | Primer | WTF, is it pirate day again? |
| 03:00.55 | kd3 | sep 19 |
| 03:01.38 | Semlar | every day is pirate day |
| 03:01.43 | Semlar | when you're a pirate |
| 03:07.21 | Primer | So, still no answer for the 6.0 equivalent of hooking into WatchFrame_Update |
| 03:07.32 | Semlar | dude just look at the framexml |
| 03:07.40 | Primer | I don't know how to do that |
| 03:07.49 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.09 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2Fe7U54.jpg this is what is moving the frame |
| 03:11.13 | Semlar | UIParent_ManageFramePositions |
| 03:11.40 | Primer | this looks promising: self:RegisterEvent("QUEST_WATCH_LIST_CHANGED"); |
| 03:12.45 | Semlar | i like this -- HACK comment in the UIParent.lua |
| 03:16.22 | Semlar | alright well the objective tracker is hard coded to reset its points in a way that wouldn't be very easy to prevent without tainting things |
| 03:17.23 | Semlar | you could post-hook it but you'd have to figure out where to move it |
| 03:18.15 | Semlar | it's basically set up to move when your buffs update so |
| 03:19.14 | Primer | Ok, so that's not firing when the watch frame changes |
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| 03:22.11 | Semlar | just hook ObjectiveTracker_Update |
| 03:22.30 | Semlar | i'm assuming that's what you want |
| 03:25.23 | Primer | meh, this is code that I borrowed |
| 03:25.33 | Primer | this is also where I suspected the client hang was being caused |
| 03:25.42 | Fisker | smash |
| 03:33.11 | Primer | getting closer |
| 03:34.38 | Primer | Seems http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetQuestLogTitle changed |
| 03:38.12 | Primer | ohhh progress! |
| 03:38.42 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/API_GetQuestLogTitle#Patch_changes |
| 03:42.27 | Primer | kd3: thanks |
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| 04:33.41 | Primer | aww the beta realms down? |
| 04:33.53 | Primer | I just got a big ass cup of coffee |
| 04:34.03 | Primer | I was gonna get down to some coding! |
| 04:35.46 | Neffi | inserts a hyphen |
| 04:37.46 | Primer | No, my cup is big and in the shape of an ass |
| 04:46.10 | Neffi | exactly, so I inserted the hyphen in the right spot |
| 04:46.13 | Neffi | it's a big ass-cup |
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| 05:10.48 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Is that for protection so you don't get kicked in the ass during sports? |
| 05:10.51 | Torhal | Goddamn it |
| 05:10.55 | Torhal | Neffi ^ |
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| 05:16.51 | Neffi | video games are not sports, Torhal |
| 05:17.09 | Torhal | Finally! A voice of reason! |
| 05:17.33 | Neffi | The most athletic I ever get it doing daily pushups and walking miles for no reason, but I havent been doing that stuff lately <_< |
| 05:18.13 | Torhal | My exercise consists of rewriting other people's code. |
| 05:19.04 | Neffi | I hear that's pretty intense on the head muscle |
| 05:19.26 | Torhal | The eyes, as well, at times. |
| 05:19.43 | Torhal | For example; I fully intended to sit down for a few hours and fix up _NPCScan.Overlay |
| 05:20.01 | Torhal | I think I lasted an hour before I almost screamed "FUCK THIS SHIT OH LORD MY EYES!" |
| 05:20.26 | Neffi | hehe |
| 05:20.29 | nebula169 | the danger of opening code from others |
| 05:21.04 | Torhal | Spaghettification to the maximum. |
| 05:22.09 | Torhal | But hey, at least I fixed a leaked global called "Line" |
| 05:22.13 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 05:22.15 | Neffi | when you come across that, it's best to hack in some meatballs, cover it all with some sauce, and never touch the thing again |
| 05:23.09 | pompy | http://new.livestream.com/spacex/events/3400686/statuses/62597735 27 mins till webcast starts |
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| 05:26.02 | Simca_ | when oqueue first came out, i looked around for an alternative to work on as a base, and i found on Curse with like 10 downloads. when i sat down to look at it, i gave up almost instantly - it was amazing how badly it was written. instead of using a loop or a self-defined function, he had copy-pasted checkbox declarations until he had 5000 lines of them to make his options panel |
| 05:26.22 | Simca_ | it was great, i almost want to look for it again |
| 05:26.58 | Neffi | i need to see this |
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| 05:35.19 | jleclanch | Dagmar, ping |
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| 06:20.04 | karl_w_w | so there isnt a single supermarket in my city that opens after 5pm on saturdays |
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| 06:23.36 | kullervo | I can't think of any supermarket that opens after 5pm on any day |
| 06:25.04 | Neffi | I have 2 within a mile that are 24/7 <_< |
| 06:32.49 | karl_w_w | and my stupid internet is still not being very internetty |
| 06:33.50 | kullervo | Neffi: I was trying to poke fun at him >_> |
| 06:34.20 | Neffi | oh, now I see |
| 06:35.34 | karl_w_w | I don't, how is that fun? :P |
| 06:36.49 | kullervo | karl_w_w: because you specified they should open after 5pm, as opposed to being open until that or later |
| 06:37.04 | karl_w_w | I see |
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| 06:51.41 | Stanzilla | new beta build |
| 06:52.41 | Miiru | there seems to be a new ptr patch, but the client wont download it oO |
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| 07:06.33 | Miiru | meh way 2 many wow folders |
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| 07:21.00 | Primer | dammit, did they wipe all the beta toons? |
| 07:21.25 | Primer | NM, the launcher picked the wrong realm |
| 07:29.43 | Miiru | so the storeframe cant be accessed by any lua commands? |
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| 07:41.35 | kullervo | even thinking about interacting with it while coding your addon makes the code corrupt everything |
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| 07:55.18 | Primer | So my spell book as a destro lock in 5.4 is 6 pages |
| 07:55.24 | Primer | It's 3 in WoD beta |
| 07:56.55 | Primer | It's REALLY bugging me that my nameplates dim when I target something |
| 07:57.03 | Primer | The one I'm targeting dims, that is |
| 07:57.18 | Constie | That seems backwards. |
| 07:57.25 | Primer | It is backwards |
| 07:57.28 | Primer | that's why I can't stand it |
| 08:05.49 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: also new PTR build |
| 08:08.53 | Primer | Anyone on the US Beta Leveling Realm 01 right now? |
| 08:11.35 | Gethe_AFK | i am |
| 08:12.01 | Primer | I just sent a request in the starter zone |
| 08:12.06 | Primer | I'm "Debate" |
| 08:12.35 | Gethe | im in org atm |
| 08:12.37 | Primer | Tanaan Jungle |
| 08:12.42 | Primer | oh, I'm alliance |
| 08:13.02 | Primer | I can't find anyone willing to group to test my arrow addon |
| 08:13.23 | Maldivia | join a BG :) |
| 08:13.30 | Maldivia | or a dungeon |
| 08:14.40 | Primer | I didnt' want to actually commit to anything, but I suppose |
| 08:14.57 | Maldivia | see if there's an AV running... that's not "commitment" :D |
| 08:15.11 | Primer | doh, I don't even know what the key binding is now to join a bg |
| 08:15.26 | Maldivia | then click the buttons |
| 08:15.38 | Primer | I've already installed several addons |
| 08:15.54 | Primer | I've never used a UI to get to pvp |
| 08:16.01 | Primer | for me it's always been j |
| 08:16.21 | Maldivia | esc -> keybindings -- find it there :D |
| 08:17.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/06/texas_snowball/ |
| 08:17.39 | Primer | Doh, somone just invited me |
| 08:17.54 | Gethe | i made a toon |
| 08:18.02 | Primer | aww how nice :) |
| 08:19.05 | Primer | ok, it seems my PB4 arrow module isn't even loading |
| 08:19.23 | Primer | ok, wtf , Kadghar ported me back to the building! |
| 08:19.54 | Primer | hrmm, it shows it as loaded |
| 08:20.30 | Primer | You have to do the intro quests to get beyond the portal |
| 08:20.37 | Primer | Which is where I am |
| 08:20.52 | Primer | and I can't get to where you are without fucking Kadghar porting me back here |
| 08:21.21 | Gethe | kk |
| 08:21.41 | Primer | thing is, my arrow module doesn't show up in the PB4 list of modules |
| 08:21.45 | Primer | Stanzilla? |
| 08:21.49 | Primer | WHAT DO I DO!!! |
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| 08:25.17 | Primer | Not getting any errors regarding it |
| 08:27.52 | Primer | Just don't remember what I need to do, if anything |
| 08:33.24 | Primer | Anyone know if there's an updated LibMapData? |
| 08:37.11 | Primer | crickets... |
| 08:37.37 | nebula169 | Primer: not offically, i think, https://gist.github.com/Stanzilla/dd2085b9a4f9229dc0ac should have everything, though |
| 08:37.57 | Primer | thanks |
| 08:38.05 | Primer | I was able to get the module loaded, btw |
| 08:38.15 | Primer | just had to comment out the first line |
| 08:38.25 | Primer | if select(6, GetAddOnInfo("PitBull4_" .. (debugstack():match("[o%.][d%.][u%.]les\\(.-)\\") or ""))) ~= "MISSING" then return end |
| 08:38.29 | Primer | I always wondered what that did! |
| 08:38.58 | nebula169 | :p it prevents the debug modules from loading if lod versions exist |
| 08:39.57 | nebula169 | (ie, does nothing for modules not in the pb4 source tree) |
| 08:40.35 | Primer | doh, the error is back |
| 08:40.56 | Primer | 1x ...ddOns\PitBull4_Arrow\libs\30LibMapData-1.0-r141\library.lua:2228: Usage: SetMapZoom(continentIndex [,zoneIndex]) .. requested continent out of bounds |
| 08:40.59 | Primer | I fixed that though |
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| 08:46.06 | Primer | dammit, it's in the embedded lib |
| 08:48.40 | Primer | Not sure how to make this load the non-embedded lib... |
| 08:49.10 | nebula169 | up the minor number |
| 08:51.22 | Primer | still not working |
| 08:51.31 | Primer | 1x PitBull4_Arrow\Arrow.lua:40: Cannot find a library instance of "82LibMapData-1.0-r141". |
| 08:53.03 | nebula169 | eh? if you have two versions of the lib it should atleast find one >.> |
| 08:54.51 | Primer | No idea WTF's going on |
| 08:55.01 | Primer | oh, duh |
| 08:55.05 | Primer | the lib has an error |
| 08:55.22 | Primer | 1x ...ddOns\PitBull4_Arrow\libs\LibMapData-1.0\library.lua:6: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 08:55.53 | Primer | yes, I know, that's the embedded one |
| 08:56.30 | Primer | local MINOR = 1000 + tonumber(("$Revision$"):match("%d+")) |
| 08:56.32 | Primer | heh |
| 08:57.20 | Primer | ok, commented out the tonumber part and it's fine |
| 08:57.27 | Primer | distance in my addon is working |
| 09:06.36 | Primer | So what's a good way to measure distance in game? |
| 09:06.40 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/beta.jpg |
| 09:06.55 | Primer | Seems that using a reticle for a 30 yard spell isn't very good |
| 09:07.48 | nevcairiel | use the range and/or position APIs? :d |
| 09:08.30 | Primer | I thought all that shit was done with hacks |
| 09:08.44 | Primer | like "40 yard friendly spell" |
| 09:09.06 | nevcairiel | depends what you want |
| 09:09.08 | Gethe | the reticule just shows an approximation of it's AoE, wich can be placed anywhere within 30 yards |
| 09:09.17 | nevcairiel | if you have a unit id, you can determine the exact distance to a nother unit |
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| 09:10.03 | nebula169 | UnitDistanceSquared ! |
| 09:10.25 | nevcairiel | boss mods can even render a radar that shows units too close to you, and where they are relative to you |
| 09:10.35 | nevcairiel | in partys/raids, you have all the power |
| 09:21.15 | nebula169 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=S05ns2rd scumbag archeage, linking dirs in the root of c then not cleaning up after itself |
| 09:21.55 | nevcairiel | you must have given it permission to do so, junctions in the root require elevation |
| 09:22.30 | nebula169 | yea, it asks for it on launch, just assumed it was indeed a shitty korean mmo that puts shit in wierd places |
| 09:23.09 | nebula169 | or needed it for it's anticheat stuff |
| 09:24.03 | Torhal | Why would they have anticheat, when their physics are hilariously bad? |
| 09:24.15 | nevcairiel | so you dont exploit the bad physics? :D |
| 09:24.28 | Torhal | "I'll just shoot a harpoon into the sky, and...WAT! It stuck!" |
| 09:24.37 | nevcairiel | clouds |
| 09:24.46 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:26.59 | Fisker | trucks nevcairiel |
| 09:27.00 | Fisker | trucks |
| 09:27.10 | nevcairiel | yeah whats up with that Fisker |
| 09:27.16 | nevcairiel | simulators are so boring |
| 09:27.17 | Fisker | It's like goty |
| 09:27.25 | Fisker | fuck you I can manage a business |
| 09:32.28 | Fisker | I was kind of mad though nevcairiel |
| 09:32.36 | Miiru | finally found the mountjournal texture |
| 09:32.39 | Fisker | I was driving in an intersection |
| 09:32.43 | Fisker | and some car hit me from the side |
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| 09:32.53 | Fisker | Damaging my truck by 15% and giving ME a fine |
| 09:32.56 | Fisker | lame |
| 09:33.33 | nevcairiel | you probably r an over a red light |
| 09:34.36 | Primer | Gethe: http://twitch.tv/barfolomeu is where I'll be streaming from |
| 09:34.43 | Primer | probably later tomorrow night |
| 09:34.46 | Primer | thanks again |
| 09:34.52 | Gethe | sure thing |
| 09:35.36 | Fisker | no nevcairiel |
| 09:35.40 | Fisker | you get a fine for that too |
| 09:36.05 | Fisker | And I get a fine for driving in the opposite direction on a highway apparently for some reason |
| 09:36.19 | Fisker | which is kind of shady |
| 09:36.21 | nevcairiel | how dare they |
| 09:36.32 | Fisker | HOW DO THEY KNOW I RAN A RED LIGHT |
| 09:36.40 | nevcairiel | red light cameras? |
| 09:36.44 | Fisker | there are none |
| 09:36.50 | Fisker | And then the fine for driving in the opposite lane is 4 times lower |
| 09:36.58 | Fisker | They probably would've put you in jail in real life man |
| 09:37.16 | nevcairiel | dunno, fines are kinda stupid |
| 09:39.29 | Fisker | yeah |
| 09:39.37 | Fisker | especially when I didn't kill my wife |
| 09:44.21 | Fisker | lolo |
| 09:45.15 | Fisker | Was zigzagging between cars at 90km/h in a 50km/h zone and had to break for the cars at the intersection but couldn't make it so went to the opposite lane and didn't even get fined for running the red light :DD |
| 09:45.46 | Fisker | Somebody should take my drivers license |
| 09:51.30 | Fisker | It's really convenient how you can just go into the opposite lane or drive on the walkway to avoid the fines for running the red light |
| 09:52.50 | nevcairiel | because stopping is hard? |
| 09:55.05 | Fisker | No it's bothersome |
| 09:59.30 | Fisker | http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/49860820034570471/2EF40614A703EB55C07CA06DF58FB5C735266C0D/ |
| 09:59.41 | nevcairiel | nice hair cut |
| 09:59.50 | Fisker | Thanks |
| 10:04.38 | Torhal | sells Fisker a Monster Truck. |
| 10:04.45 | Fisker | no |
| 10:04.54 | Torhal | :/ |
| 10:05.07 | Torhal | But...it's made from real monsters! |
| 10:11.13 | Fisker | ah nevcairiel |
| 10:11.25 | Fisker | it looks like if I use my emergency lights I don't get fines anymore |
| 10:11.46 | nevcairiel | logic, this game has none |
| 10:12.21 | Fisker | no it makes sense because it was an emergency thingy! |
| 10:14.25 | karl_w_w | aww yeah it's McDonald's monopoly time |
| 10:14.32 | nevcairiel | again |
| 10:18.17 | Fisker | oh |
| 10:18.20 | Fisker | damn |
| 10:18.28 | Fisker | It's not all red lights that give fines I guess |
| 10:18.36 | nevcairiel | maybe some have cameras then! |
| 10:20.06 | Fisker | graphically they don't |
| 10:20.52 | Fisker | Probably just a chance based thing |
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| 10:31.57 | Jamash | I've just been invited to the Heroes of the Storm Technical Alpha. ಠ_ಠ|
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| 10:32.53 | Torhal | Jamash: So was I, earlier today. I've been in it for months. |
| 10:33.07 | Jamash | Torhal: Thus the ಠ_ಠ|
| 10:33.12 | Torhal | Heh |
| 10:33.28 | Jamash | database hiccup? |
| 10:33.55 | Jamash | or maybe reminding me since I haven't logged in to Heroes in a long while |
| 10:33.59 | Torhal | Heh |
| 10:34.11 | Torhal | Either that, or they did a wipe and a refresh and it's automated |
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| 10:47.49 | airtonix | so fisker, are you playing that with a rift? |
| 10:48.28 | Torhal | I feel that there's a rift between us, airtonix. |
| 10:48.41 | airtonix | Torhal: have you applied to work with sapcex yet? |
| 10:48.44 | Torhal | You should go riding around with Fisker in his Monster Truck. |
| 10:48.49 | Torhal | Sap sex? |
| 10:48.51 | Torhal | WAT |
| 10:49.01 | airtonix | spaceEx |
| 10:49.10 | Torhal | Newp. |
| 10:49.26 | Torhal | Anywho, bed. |
| 10:49.48 | airtonix | boring person |
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| 12:57.19 | Industrial | Hi. |
| 12:57.33 | Industrial | Anyone use TradeSkillMaster? Is there an IRC channel for it? |
| 12:58.13 | Industrial | I have started Inscription while at a lower level because I see that with even lower levels of inscription you can instantly market your items on the ah rather then having to vendor it all |
| 12:59.40 | Industrial | and I would love to be able to set TSM so that it queues actions for me (so I know which mats to get) up to the point where I have one glyph of each that I can make in my bag |
| 13:00.40 | Industrial | Because I'm still selling with auctioneer (I bet TSM can do this too) and I can set that to only sell one at a time |
| 13:03.14 | Industrial | Otherwise, should I look for another profession that would get me up and running with a few g? I'm not sure I want to go skinning/herbing/mining again |
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| 14:00.48 | Snowkrim | Hi guys, anyone here experienced with addons etc? Need some help with something |
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| 14:01.30 | Snowkrim | In particularly minifying a super short 'addon' to work as a script in terms of a /run command in game |
| 14:02.20 | Snowkrim | I currently have a macro (/run script) that displays OmniCC timer text on action bar abilities. |
| 14:02.35 | Snowkrim | I want to make this work with player buffs as well |
| 14:02.45 | Snowkrim | If anyone interested to help, I could link the script (it's 4 lines) |
| 14:02.58 | Snowkrim | any help would be much appreciated! |
| 14:03.05 | nevcairiel | just wait until 6.0, no need for omnicc anymore |
| 14:03.15 | Snowkrim | that's for action bars only |
| 14:03.19 | Snowkrim | and I have that sorted already |
| 14:03.23 | Snowkrim | besides the version they are adding |
| 14:03.24 | Snowkrim | in 6.0 |
| 14:03.25 | Snowkrim | is really poor |
| 14:03.36 | nevcairiel | its the same thing, it displays counters on the bar |
| 14:03.51 | Snowkrim | well I have a 4 line /run script that does the same thing now |
| 14:03.59 | Snowkrim | but also changes color when time <5 |
| 14:04.07 | Snowkrim | and foramt when time >1m |
| 14:04.15 | Snowkrim | so it's more advanced than the stuff they add on 6.0 |
| 14:04.20 | Snowkrim | however I need to make it work with player buffs |
| 14:04.36 | Snowkrim | it'd probably be a simple modofication within the script not sure |
| 14:04.47 | Snowkrim | Neffi wrote the script |
| 14:06.19 | Snowkrim | This is the script for OmniCC on action bars |
| 14:06.20 | Snowkrim | https://gist.github.com/nefftd/d9cc51bb43f8c90fb610 |
| 14:06.34 | Snowkrim | Need to make player debuffs work with it |
| 14:06.48 | Snowkrim | Player buffs* |
| 14:07.29 | Snowkrim | Unfortunately Neffi no longer has time to help, so looking for another kind soul who can help finish the thing :(! |
| 14:08.36 | foxlit | mm, kind souls. Can I eat them? |
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| 14:11.14 | Snowkrim | it's really important to get this working :( it's for a wow tournament / blizzcon |
| 14:11.30 | Snowkrim | I guess not many here have the expereince or are busy with writing own addons :-( |
| 14:14.07 | foxlit | why do they ban addons in tournaments, anyway? |
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| 14:15.53 | Snowkrim | foxlit: because years and years ago people would take so long to configure their user interfaces |
| 14:16.01 | Snowkrim | back in 2005 or 2004 they were banned from LAN |
| 14:16.19 | foxlit | that sounds like a bullshit reason. |
| 14:16.20 | Snowkrim | but back then nobody even knew you can copy / paste the WTF folder within WoW directory to copy addon settings. |
| 14:16.25 | nevcairiel | give them 10 minutes to configure and then they have to play, or they lose |
| 14:16.27 | nevcairiel | problem solved |
| 14:16.32 | foxlit | âYou have 5 minutes to prepare, do whatever you want, but forfeit the match if youâre not ready" |
| 14:16.45 | Snowkrim | Like now everyone knows you can simply copy / paste the WTF folder |
| 14:16.48 | Snowkrim | to get your addon settings |
| 14:16.50 | Snowkrim | back then nobody did |
| 14:16.52 | Snowkrim | so they banned it |
| 14:16.56 | Snowkrim | and blizzard never updates their rules |
| 14:16.59 | Snowkrim | Denmark is still banned |
| 14:17.03 | Snowkrim | from Blizzcon competition |
| 14:17.11 | Snowkrim | even though denmark changed it's laws towards online gambling |
| 14:17.13 | Snowkrim | in 2013 |
| 14:17.14 | Snowkrim | so.. |
| 14:17.18 | Snowkrim | blizzard don't rly care^^ |
| 14:18.20 | Snowkrim | so players are forced to figure out the stuff they need in terms of scripts/runnable macros |
| 14:18.27 | Dagmar | Snowkrim: Um... no. Back then stupid people didn't know. |
| 14:18.40 | Snowkrim | which is a pain as theres like 2 dudes between r1 players that can code lua |
| 14:18.47 | Dagmar | People who paid attention knew where configuration data was stored |
| 14:18.53 | Snowkrim | well ya, but a lot of r1 players back then didn't care to figure this stuff out so they just banned addons altogether |
| 14:19.27 | Dagmar | Somehow I don't think that was the reason. |
| 14:19.34 | Snowkrim | that was the reason.. |
| 14:19.38 | Snowkrim | as specified to us by eu admin |
| 14:19.40 | Snowkrim | marc s olbertz |
| 14:19.44 | Snowkrim | the length of UI configuration |
| 14:20.02 | Snowkrim | they want every team to be able to start in almost an instant |
| 14:20.07 | Snowkrim | nevermind that last regionals we had to wait 6 hours |
| 14:20.13 | Snowkrim | because they didn't have latest expansion installed on ESL computers |
| 14:20.14 | nevcairiel | so put a time limit on the config phase instead |
| 14:20.16 | nevcairiel | much easier .D |
| 14:20.40 | Snowkrim | ya but then if theres like 5 mins to prep |
| 14:20.48 | Snowkrim | and someone comes with a bunch of addons and he thinks he can get it running in 5 mins |
| 14:20.51 | Snowkrim | but doesn't |
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| 14:20.55 | Snowkrim | = QQ towards blizzard |
| 14:20.57 | Snowkrim | and chaos etc |
| 14:20.58 | nevcairiel | then thats his own damn fault |
| 14:21.01 | Snowkrim | guess they don't want that |
| 14:21.04 | nevcairiel | he loses, next time he knows better |
| 14:21.05 | Snowkrim | so better a strict rule for them |
| 14:21.15 | Snowkrim | he loses is not really a good outcome for them |
| 14:21.18 | Snowkrim | since they need the tournament |
| 14:21.20 | Snowkrim | to be somewhat interesting |
| 14:21.21 | Snowkrim | if possible |
| 14:21.25 | Snowkrim | so simply DQing ppl |
| 14:21.26 | Snowkrim | left and right |
| 14:21.27 | Dagmar | and possibly |
| 14:21.28 | Dagmar | read like |
| 14:21.32 | Snowkrim | is nto that good |
| 14:21.34 | Dagmar | a lame haiku |
| 14:21.35 | nevcairiel | people that care about winning will know what to do |
| 14:21.47 | nevcairiel | only morons are not prepared |
| 14:21.53 | Dagmar | nevcairiel++ |
| 14:22.11 | Snowkrim | calling people morons still doesn't change the outcome of what would inevitably happen |
| 14:22.12 | Snowkrim | ^^ |
| 14:22.32 | Snowkrim | anyway obviously a time limit on prep would be better |
| 14:22.33 | Dagmar | Doesn't change that they are morons, either. |
| 14:22.35 | Snowkrim | there's already a time limit |
| 14:22.38 | Snowkrim | just no addons |
| 14:22.56 | foxlit | It seems like they should also ban /run as well |
| 14:23.02 | Snowkrim | ya but they don't care |
| 14:23.07 | Snowkrim | people there don't even understand what it is |
| 14:23.09 | Snowkrim | the admins |
| 14:23.19 | Dagmar | It's rather more likely they didn't want people bringing addons that would immediately be banned because they automated gameplay decisions. |
| 14:23.25 | Dagmar | ...which was rather more common then than it is now. |
| 14:23.31 | Snowkrim | that too, there are some |
| 14:23.34 | Snowkrim | advanced addons |
| 14:23.36 | Snowkrim | that can literally play for you |
| 14:23.46 | Snowkrim | obviously you could do any addon in a /run format |
| 14:23.48 | Dagmar | Do you realize which group of people you're talking to? |
| 14:23.49 | Snowkrim | so doesn't really make sense |
| 14:24.13 | Snowkrim | its the ESL admin (manages regional tournies) + EU esports admin (marc olbertz) |
| 14:24.26 | Snowkrim | they are both not very bright people:D |
| 14:24.41 | Snowkrim | the ESL admin never even had a character at a max lvl |
| 14:24.52 | Snowkrim | he said his max was lvl 67 paladin |
| 14:24.57 | Snowkrim | yet he manages EU regionals |
| 14:24.59 | Snowkrim | ^_^ |
| 14:25.12 | Snowkrim | last yr |
| 14:25.13 | Snowkrim | a spanish team |
| 14:25.16 | Snowkrim | blamed lag |
| 14:25.19 | Snowkrim | to get multiple games replayed |
| 14:25.22 | Snowkrim | when they had no lag in fact |
| 14:25.24 | Snowkrim | and they didnt even care to check |
| 14:25.32 | Snowkrim | they are known cheaters/wintraders |
| 14:25.40 | Snowkrim | idk blizzard are pretty stupid |
| 14:25.45 | Snowkrim | (in terms of this anyway) |
| 14:26.17 | nevcairiel | dagmar is right, this reads like a lame haiku |
| 14:26.30 | Dagmar | less enter more spacebar |
| 14:26.32 | nevcairiel | even rhymes sometimes |
| 14:27.21 | Snowkrim | well I'm just used to write like that |
| 14:27.28 | Snowkrim | when you are writing with someone who is directly reading what you write |
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| 14:27.44 | Snowkrim | it kinda is more fun |
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| 14:27.50 | Snowkrim | :D |
| 14:27.55 | Dagmar | It really annoys the fuck out of them because everyone hates the Shatner comma being replaced with a spacebar. |
| 14:27.56 | nevcairiel | not for us |
| 14:28.10 | Snowkrim | you don't have to read what I write :) |
| 14:28.16 | nevcairiel | ok! |
| 14:28.27 | Dagmar | except when you |
| 14:28.28 | Dagmar | do this you |
| 14:28.31 | Dagmar | scroll everyone elses |
| 14:28.34 | Dagmar | stuff off the top |
| 14:28.35 | Dagmar | of the screen |
| 14:28.38 | Snowkrim | yes |
| 14:30.16 | Dagmar | Such behaviour is anathema to multiplayer notepad |
| 14:31.36 | Snowkrim | So again, does anyone in the channel have knowledge with LuaText (/run macros/scripts) |
| 14:31.40 | Snowkrim | e.g. https://gist.github.com/nefftd/d9cc51bb43f8c90fb610 |
| 14:32.02 | Snowkrim | If anyone could assist me with the example above I could possibly reward your time somehow |
| 14:33.40 | Gnarfoz | so, after reading all that, basically... addons are banned at Blizzard-run/sanctioned competitions, and you want us to help you with circumventing that by making it short enough to fit in a macro? |
| 14:33.48 | Gnarfoz | good luck with that |
| 14:33.54 | Snowkrim | no basically not |
| 14:34.02 | Snowkrim | too bad you're randomly |
| 14:34.04 | Snowkrim | assuming stuff |
| 14:34.07 | Snowkrim | at the top of your head |
| 14:34.16 | Snowkrim | scripts and macros as well as addons in terms of a run command are allowed |
| 14:34.24 | Snowkrim | we asked blizzard about this and they have no problem with it |
| 14:34.27 | Gnarfoz | addons and "run commands" are the same thing |
| 14:34.32 | Gnarfoz | ok then. |
| 14:34.50 | Snowkrim | no it's not because a script is always pre-configured with a value already, position, size, color, theres no settings to config |
| 14:34.56 | Snowkrim | and addons were banned due to the time of configuration in lan event |
| 14:35.08 | Snowkrim | so blizzard allow us to use script/run commands to replicate behavior of an addon |
| 14:35.11 | Dagmar | ...and because they begin an arms race. |
| 14:35.35 | Snowkrim | not sure what's the point to randomly assume stuff and be an asshat really |
| 14:35.37 | Gnarfoz | Also, how do you even get them on their machines? Do they seriously allow you to bring your own files? |
| 14:36.07 | Snowkrim | yes, you can copy WTF folder of your home PC to their LAN PC |
| 14:36.14 | Dagmar | Unfortunately for you, there are limitations to what one can do with the /run command alone. |
| 14:36.17 | Snowkrim | so that your keybinds/action bars/macros are configured |
| 14:36.44 | Snowkrim | there is yes but the thing I'm looking it to do is quite basic |
| 14:36.47 | Gnarfoz | there are? since when? The only limit is length. |
| 14:36.52 | Snowkrim | at least compared to the scripts we already have made |
| 14:37.03 | Snowkrim | and ya you can minify any addon |
| 14:37.05 | Snowkrim | if you take enough time |
| 14:37.05 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Okay, implement Auctioneer and DBM as /run commands. Go. |
| 14:37.15 | Snowkrim | well it's not practical |
| 14:37.17 | Snowkrim | but it could be done |
| 14:37.23 | Snowkrim | with a lot of minifying.. |
| 14:37.24 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: that'll take a while. doesn't mean it's impossible for some unstated reason. |
| 14:37.27 | Snowkrim | ^ |
| 14:37.41 | Snowkrim | some players have really advanced scripts |
| 14:37.43 | Snowkrim | one of the spanish player |
| 14:37.44 | Snowkrim | have gladius |
| 14:37.46 | Snowkrim | in terms of run commands |
| 14:37.50 | Snowkrim | like a 26 lines macro |
| 14:37.52 | Snowkrim | or more |
| 14:37.57 | Dagmar | I can assure you that if you bring some massive addon in as a sequence of copy-pasta /run commands, they will have another rule change. |
| 14:38.06 | Gnarfoz | sounds like that's overdue |
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| 14:38.23 | Gnarfoz | no idea why they don't just put the machines in Blizzcon mode |
| 14:38.30 | nevcairiel | you could just use one run command to setup a small window where you can copy/paste code into, and loadstring it :p |
| 14:38.33 | Gnarfoz | no alterations allowed, can't even log out, etc |
| 14:38.39 | Snowkrim | they said last yr they have no problems with automated script/run commands |
| 14:38.49 | Snowkrim | they don't like addons because it's 'third party' |
| 14:38.53 | Snowkrim | + |
| 14:38.55 | Snowkrim | the time of configuration |
| 14:39.04 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: if they allow copying WTF, couldn't you just make it a custom cvar or SV :D |
| 14:39.06 | Snowkrim | since addons don't come pre-configured like a script does (with values set in the script already) |
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| 14:39.34 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: certainly |
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| 14:40.27 | Constie | I feel like 16 is a lot of lines in a row. |
| 14:41.04 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 14:41.19 | Snowkrim | i don't use a lot of scripts, arena123 debuffs, omnicc, extra power auras for trinket procs |
| 14:41.24 | Snowkrim | other ppl have a ton more |
| 14:41.46 | Snowkrim | i only need to make the omnicc i have work for auras, currently works for action bars only |
| 14:43.14 | Snowkrim | https://gist.github.com/nefftd/d9cc51bb43f8c90fb610 |
| 14:43.16 | Snowkrim | what I have currently |
| 14:43.26 | Snowkrim | timer text for action bar ability cooldowns (omnicc) |
| 14:43.41 | Snowkrim | need to make it work on auras as well |
| 14:43.42 | Gnarfoz | while you're at it, try minify this http://www.townlong-yak.com/purrmetheus/ and win #1 |
| 14:44.56 | Constie | At first I thought the video was a funny joke thing about how Mages should just spam Arcane Blast. |
| 14:45.21 | Gnarfoz | it's a bit more involved ;p |
| 14:45.37 | kullervo | yeah, they cast sheep too |
| 14:46.23 | Snowkrim | so no1 can help :(? |
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| 14:48.53 | znf | no |
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| 15:51.58 | znf | Would anyone know why a process "ec2instances" is killing my ec2? |
| 15:53.59 | Ressy | Having problems patching PTR.. :\ |
| 15:55.21 | Semlar | you can't have addons at competitions but you can pack enough macros with you to reproduce one? |
| 15:56.02 | znf | wth http://i.imgur.com/h2LDR1C.png ?! |
| 16:00.05 | Miiru | grandma stonefield looks way 2 young now |
| 16:09.11 | g0urra | she hasn't aged in 10 years |
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| 16:20.50 | Miiru | point taken |
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| 16:47.09 | phelps | znf: do they shut it down when its idle ? places like heroku do that |
| 16:47.50 | znf | phelps, ec2? no |
| 16:48.05 | znf | if they shut it down, it's actually destroy the data, so no :D |
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| 17:35.29 | karl_w_w | there's a can of soup in my cupboard that has no expiry date on it |
| 17:35.55 | karl_w_w | it doesn't even say 'for best before date see bottom of can' or anything like that on the label |
| 17:36.34 | Dagmar | Because sterilized canned goods are good for a very long time |
| 17:37.05 | Dagmar | If they're not going to spoil from lacking refridgeration, there's not much that can happen to them |
| 17:37.07 | kd3|hate`net | as long as the can isn't bulging out, and it's properly sealed, you're good |
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| 17:39.25 | karl_w_w | yeah i know, but it's still pretty unusual for them to have no date |
| 17:41.08 | Dagmar | That depends |
| 17:41.27 | Dagmar | A can of corn made today could reasonably have an expiration date of 2100. |
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| 17:43.52 | Dagmar | Canned goods in a bomb shelter you'd change out perhaps every couple of decades just because of the vitamins decaying a bit and flavor |
| 17:44.23 | Dagmar | ...if you cared, but if you're in a bomb shelter perhaps whether or not the baked beans are a little bland is not something that concerns you at the moment. |
| 17:45.55 | Dagmar | for a whole lot of stuff in cans, expiration dates are just a waste of time, because they're not likely to expire in the purchaser's lifetime |
| 17:47.23 | Dagmar | To put it even more grimly, if this weren't the case, and you were in a bomb shelter "for the duration" so to speak, the expiration date on cans would also be _your_ expiration date |
| 17:47.50 | karl_w_w | well that's where the difference between a best before and a use by date comes in |
| 17:48.04 | Semlar | its contents are probably not even classified as food so you should be fine |
| 17:48.32 | Dagmar | This may come as a surprise, but nature already designed most seed-foods to stay fine for a very long time |
| 17:48.45 | Dagmar | ...without even being sterilized and stored in a can. |
| 17:48.46 | Semlar | is there an api function to tell you if a unit is a quest objective |
| 17:49.14 | Semlar | i know i can get it out of the tooltip |
| 17:49.25 | Dagmar | You'll do very poorly as a tree species if your seed-containing fruits rapidly became toxic to eating, for any reason |
| 17:49.43 | kd3 | the only one I know of is the one that shows the quest ! on the unit frame |
| 17:50.05 | Semlar | yeah i was thinking it was odd that there's no indication in the interface that the unit is a quest objective |
| 17:50.30 | Semlar | the ! on the frame is sort of specific to certain mobs |
| 17:50.39 | kd3 | the shared tap ones, yah |
| 17:50.45 | Semlar | it's not really an indicator if you're on the quest to kill them or anything |
| 17:51.02 | foxlit | itâs in the world. |
| 17:51.17 | Semlar | i was thinking about expanding my questplate addon to show something on the target frame |
| 17:51.20 | foxlit | (turn on only quest NPC names) |
| 17:51.41 | Semlar | eh i'm thinking more like a target-frame modification |
| 17:51.47 | karl_w_w | actually Dagmar seeds are only viable for a few months :P |
| 17:51.56 | Dagmar | As seeds |
| 17:52.27 | Dagmar | ...and some seeds remain viable much longer than others |
| 17:52.31 | Semlar | that kind of contradicts your point though |
| 17:53.09 | Dagmar | We eat seeds and fruits which often exist as just something to hold onto and create seeds |
| 17:53.19 | Dagmar | Sometimes plant bodies as well |
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| 17:53.56 | Dagmar | ...but fruiting bodies in particular are self-selecting to not turn toxic for a very long time |
| 17:54.10 | Dagmar | The more healthy and robust the animals eating them are, the farther those seeds might travel |
| 17:55.30 | Semlar | yeah but the seed doesn't gain anything from substantially outlasting its fruit |
| 17:55.55 | Dagmar | So? |
| 17:56.09 | Semlar | so what's the evolutionary advantage |
| 17:56.25 | Dagmar | What does it have to do with what I said? |
| 17:56.47 | Dagmar | At no point was I talking about seeds outliving the fruit being in support of anything |
| 17:56.59 | Dagmar | Animals eat a lot of stuff. Sometimes even small rocks. |
| 17:57.24 | karl_w_w | small rocks are 40% of my diet |
| 17:57.33 | Semlar | are you a bird |
| 17:58.30 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 17:59.09 | Dagmar | If you've ever owned a dog, you know that when they get hungry, anything _near_ the food bowl is fair game |
| 17:59.39 | Dagmar | Cats and ferrets aren't much better |
| 18:00.21 | Semlar | uh my cat is picky as hell |
| 18:00.46 | Semlar | and i had a dog that if you put a pea in its bowl it would eat everything around it |
| 18:00.50 | Dagmar | Yeah well, I once had to *hold* a young ferret to slow his eating so he would actually stand a chance of digesting it |
| 18:01.38 | Dagmar | He was so exuberant about food he barely chewed, and would frequently choke his poor little self |
| 18:02.01 | Semlar | maybe you should just let nature take its course |
| 18:02.29 | Dagmar | Nature already had. He ate like a loon because he was the runt of a large litter at the pet store |
| 18:02.48 | Dagmar | If he didn't eat everything he could as quickly as possible, the other ferrets would get it all |
| 18:03.18 | Dagmar | It took about three days of letting him get a piece at a time and soothing him so he'd slow down and the problem went away |
| 18:03.59 | Dagmar | My mom learned the hard way not to leave plastic bags near her chihuahua's dog bowls |
| 18:04.48 | Dagmar | THeir stance was that if it fell into the dog bowl, even if it was obviously the handle of a plastic bag, well... it should have known better. |
| 18:05.56 | karl_w_w | yeah but chihuahuas are comfortably the worst breed of dog |
| 18:06.48 | karl_w_w | they're ugly, yappy, tiny, and vicious |
| 18:06.57 | Dagmar | Not all of them. |
| 18:07.10 | smcn | #notallchihuahuas |
| 18:07.22 | Dagmar | The calm, well-behaved, loves-everybody ones are just rather expensive |
| 18:07.41 | karl_w_w | like unicorn tail hairs |
| 18:07.50 | Dagmar | No, mom's got one now |
| 18:08.12 | Dagmar | She had four of the damn things previously, and out of that only one was a calm little hippie dog |
| 18:08.21 | Dagmar | One of them literally lived on hate. |
| 18:08.48 | smcn | sith lord chihuahua |
| 18:09.01 | Dagmar | If i visited my parents, there was never any question about where in the house that particular dog was because if you listened you could hear it quietly growling |
| 18:09.40 | Dagmar | It was funny. It could be in the back bedroom under the bed, and I could call it's name and hear "grrrrrr." |
| 18:10.14 | smcn | that sounds kind of cute actually |
| 18:10.32 | Dagmar | My dad used to make jokes about "Better watch out, it's going to break the skin" |
| 18:11.42 | Maldivia | Dagmar: and then when you woke in the middle of the night, and put your feet on the floor, it would grab you around the ankle? |
| 18:11.45 | Gnarfoz | so that's where your amazing sense of humor comes from! |
| 18:12.09 | Dagmar | Maldivia: I'm not sure I'd really want to sleep in the same house as that little beast |
| 18:12.27 | Dagmar | It was bad enough dog sitting for my sister in law with her less-than-genius yorkie |
| 18:12.47 | Dagmar | A loveable little dog, but... not very bright and we had mirrored bedroom closets |
| 18:13.10 | Dagmar | So... in the middle of the night, at random, you'd wake up because the yorkie was very angry about "the other dog in the room" |
| 18:13.23 | Dagmar | This is only cute at 3am a few times. |
| 18:13.45 | Maldivia | Dagmar: heh, it was just a small hint that I'm getting unpatient for Doctor Who :) |
| 18:13.53 | Dagmar | I saw the evil chi basically tell the vacuum cleaner to fuck off once |
| 18:14.18 | Maldivia | ehh, impatient :) |
| 18:15.03 | Dagmar | If I weren't waiting for my Archeage charaacter to be deleted to free up a slot, I'd be trolling hardcore PvPers about permadeath |
| 18:16.27 | Dagmar | I only have BBCA so I have to wait an extra six hours |
| 18:17.28 | Maldivia | or go the seedy route : |
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| 20:35.18 | Industrial | Hi. |
| 20:36.12 | Industrial | Say I want 1 of each glyph I can make competing on the AH at a time. I can set Auctioneer to do this: limit the auctions to 1 in the appraiser. |
| 20:37.23 | Industrial | Is there an addon that shows me a shopping list of herbs needed for the ink needed for the glyphs I currently have 0 of in my bags? |
| 20:37.40 | Industrial | and maybe even show me the best deal for the mats currently on the AH? |
| 20:37.47 | Primer | yes |
| 20:37.50 | Semlar | tsm? |
| 20:39.49 | Industrial | I'm asking in their channel too how to do this :) |
| 20:41.46 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:aacac048b5788a38fe853901b4da44a9-reads << relatively happy with that now. |
| 20:42.21 | Stanzilla | needs more js to toggle the categories off |
| 20:42.33 | Semlar | needs more animations |
| 20:44.04 | foxlit | Stanzilla: hm, maybe I can arrange that. |
| 20:51.44 | foxlit | Stanzilla: and now you can. |
| 20:51.54 | Stanzilla | \ o / |
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| 20:52.02 | Semlar | toggles foxlit |
| 20:56.18 | A-KO | sup Seerah |
| 20:56.26 | Seerah | hihi |
| 20:56.35 | A-KO | How's been your week? |
| 20:56.36 | A-KO | :P |
| 20:57.08 | A-KO | watching a decent presentation on password cracking... |
| 20:57.36 | A-KO | sadly, there's no practical solution to this |
| 20:59.01 | Seerah | my week's been alright :) |
| 21:09.18 | A-KO | cool |
| 21:09.24 | A-KO | got any good weekend plans? |
| 21:25.18 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/opie/release/rose1 |
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| 21:33.00 | g0urra | an 8.58GB game requires 28.33 GB to be installed. logic |
| 21:33.45 | karl_w_w | thats easy g0urra |
| 21:34.13 | karl_w_w | space for compressed files + space for uncompressed installation files + space for the install |
| 21:34.51 | karl_w_w | anyway I heard birds singing |
| 21:35.01 | karl_w_w | the universal sign that it's time to go to bed |
| 21:39.44 | Maldivia | so stay in bed all day long? |
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| 22:55.34 | Ressy | heh.. Love the "A block of memory was allocated but never freed." crashes on exit. |
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