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| 00:08.54 | jefferyw | is there a way for curse to show addons that are not being managed by curse |
| 00:09.03 | jefferyw | in earlier versions it was possible |
| 00:09.10 | jefferyw | not sure where that option is anymore |
| 00:10.15 | jefferyw | I want a way to see if an addon needs updating thats not on curse client |
| 00:15.38 | TC-Work | Shirik: I have no idea what you are talking about? |
| 00:15.42 | TC-Work | So, no. |
| 00:15.49 | Shirik | azir is a new lol champion |
| 00:15.54 | Shirik | they immediately disabled it |
| 00:16.09 | Shirik | one of his abilities, when used correctly on a tower, would permanently stop it from shooting |
| 00:16.12 | Shirik | for the rest of the game |
| 00:16.17 | TC-Work | GG Riot. |
| 00:24.20 | kd3|hate`net | oh wow |
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| 00:33.31 | Neffi | what even the fuck man. i just want to blow my gift card on something I might use http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-10-usb-a-to-mini-usb-cable-black-gray/4022151.p?id=1218449995160&skuId=4022151&st=mini%20usb&cp=1&lp=5 |
| 00:33.48 | Neffi | "10' USB A-to-Mini USB Cable" -> "$999.99" |
| 00:34.11 | kd3 | solid gold? antivirus? |
| 00:34.35 | Neffi | "features silver, solid core conductors" |
| 00:34.56 | Neffi | If I go for the copper version, it's still $60. wtf. who even does this |
| 00:35.19 | kd3 | people with more money than sense? |
| 00:35.24 | kd3 | like those who shop at best buy? |
| 00:35.52 | Neffi | yeah, I know their shit is horribly overpriced, but $60 for a plain old copper micro USB cable? |
| 00:36.09 | Neffi | I can literally get the same shit for $0.50 elsewhere |
| 00:36.10 | kd3 | they've gotta make their profit from somewhere |
| 00:44.47 | Neffi | "Gift Cards cannot be used on orders containing Marketplace items." fuck best buy |
| 00:51.00 | Neffi | I found one sold by them for $13 (still fuck expensive) hidden in some obscure category, and they tried to sell me a 2-year warranty for $30. Isn't shit like this the reason Circuit City died a horrible and well-deserved death? |
| 01:02.19 | Gnarfoz | guess who's next |
| 01:04.27 | Semlar | neffi? |
| 01:05.02 | jefferyw | wowhead.com shows target messages |
| 01:05.07 | jefferyw | to adblock plus users? |
| 01:05.14 | jefferyw | I just got a warning about that |
| 01:13.53 | Stanzilla | been doing that for ages |
| 01:18.08 | Neffi | Semlar? |
| 01:18.22 | Semlar | you're next |
| 01:18.45 | Neffi | They prompted me for a survey. I left a pretty scathing review. |
| 01:19.16 | Neffi | I have a feeling it's just gonna make some low-level employee who's responsible for reading those things even more disillusioned with their shitty job |
| 01:34.01 | TC-Work | Assuming anyone actually reads it. |
| 01:40.10 | Torhal | sends Neffi away for a Hostility Assessment. |
| 01:45.26 | jefferyw | is there a way to check the number of quests you have done in a zone |
| 01:45.30 | jefferyw | without using an addon |
| 01:48.19 | infamousX | Shift-Y brings up statistics |
| 01:48.21 | infamousX | could be there |
| 01:48.40 | infamousX | no promises |
| 01:48.46 | Neffi | there are also achievements for some zones (not all) that track the amount of quests done (a few quests may not count towards that, though) |
| 01:48.56 | Neffi | I know all the Pandaria zones have this. Not sure about anything else |
| 01:50.29 | infamousX | Cata ones do too |
| 01:53.21 | Neffi | An addon would have a much better count. Nowadays they can ask the server for a full list of all quests you've completed. |
| 01:53.37 | Semlar | but not their zone |
| 01:54.22 | Semlar | you'd need a database of quest ids with their zones |
| 01:54.27 | Neffi | you would need to scrape Wowhead for a list of all quests, to know how many are incomplete, so you'd have that data anyway |
| 01:54.53 | Neffi | but yeah, the API is not useful for this, at all, on its own |
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| 01:57.57 | jefferyw | because me and my friend are questing in duskwood he wont install addons |
| 01:58.06 | jefferyw | I want to know how many quests ahead I am of him |
| 01:59.35 | Neffi | tell him the almighty neffi told him it was ok to install this one addon, as long as he doesn't tell the goat that lives in his closet |
| 01:59.54 | Semlar | addons are bad neffi |
| 02:00.24 | Neffi | only your addon, Semlar ;) |
| 02:00.33 | Semlar | don't be ridiculous |
| 02:00.42 | Neffi | but that's my middle name |
| 02:00.57 | Semlar | what's wrong with your parents |
| 02:02.25 | Neffi | I wonder |
| 02:21.50 | jefferyw | guild invites every damn 2 hours |
| 02:21.53 | jefferyw | is annoying |
| 02:22.09 | Semlar | block them? |
| 02:22.35 | Semlar | there's an auto-decline in the game settings |
| 02:25.36 | Semlar | or accept one |
| 02:25.59 | Semlar | get free perks |
| 02:26.37 | jefferyw | my friend is funny we are like level 30 |
| 02:26.43 | jefferyw | and killing level 22 bears |
| 02:26.57 | jefferyw | for the questing because he wants 100% in each zone |
| 02:27.19 | Semlar | why |
| 02:28.26 | jefferyw | I guess he enjoys the lore |
| 02:28.53 | jefferyw | does not want to rush to gain levels |
| 02:29.53 | Simca_ | Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_Tutorial\ |
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| 02:55.42 | jefferyw | I love these tanks |
| 02:55.59 | jefferyw | they pulled the whole instance and watched me |
| 02:56.04 | jefferyw | the healer of the group |
| 02:56.04 | jefferyw | die |
| 02:56.16 | jefferyw | kick me from the dungeon and said I was not healing him |
| 02:56.54 | jefferyw | I had to stay back because my friend who is new to the game learn about the dungeon |
| 02:57.13 | jefferyw | and did not want to jump down with the rest of the group |
| 03:01.34 | jefferyw | Bushybrow-Ner'zhul |
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| 03:09.39 | jleclanche | Holy crap. |
| 03:09.39 | jleclanche | http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Stranglethorn_Tiger |
| 03:09.41 | jleclanche | http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=197890 |
| 03:10.11 | jleclanch | Same artist, *very slightly different* art |
| 03:10.17 | jleclanch | sure hope blizz got the right license for it |
| 03:12.59 | Neffi | are they gonna sue because an artist also drew an orange tiger on a bluish green background? |
| 03:13.30 | jleclanch | they're a lot more similar than that |
| 03:13.46 | jleclanch | former is a modified crop of the latter |
| 03:13.49 | Neffi | yeah, same style. same artist though, what do you expect? |
| 03:14.17 | Neffi | it's not actually a crop, if you look closer |
| 03:14.32 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 03:14.34 | jleclanch | I said modified crop |
| 03:14.37 | jleclanch | I looked really close |
| 03:14.46 | Neffi | but it's still a unique, unrelated work |
| 03:14.49 | Thunder_Child | Not even modified, it would have to be redrawn |
| 03:15.02 | Neffi | if you contract an artist to do a piece, you don't own his style from then on! |
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| 03:15.58 | Neffi | also even if it were an exact copy, the artist would probably be in trouble, for selling copyright that wasn't his -- unless he kept copyright, then no issue |
| 03:16.25 | jleclanch | that is what Im saying |
| 03:16.42 | Neffi | ianal, but I dont think there's a case here |
| 03:18.29 | jleclanch | not saying there is |
| 03:18.42 | Semlar | of course not, they're two completely different images |
| 03:19.58 | Neffi | On a related note, Magic seriously has awesome art |
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| 03:26.06 | Thunder_Child | And some poor art |
| 03:26.18 | Thunder_Child | That's what happens over 20 some odd years of art. |
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| 03:44.25 | Stanzilla | they might have changed guid stuff in beta again |
| 03:44.27 | Stanzilla | nebula169: ^ |
| 03:44.48 | Stanzilla | oh wait, that could just be pb4's overzealus assert |
| 03:44.48 | Semlar | what now |
| 03:45.52 | Stanzilla | yeah false alarm |
| 03:51.39 | Torhal | localizes Stanzilla in Swahili. |
| 03:51.57 | Stanzilla | what if Stanzilla already is Swahili, Torhal |
| 03:51.58 | Stanzilla | WHAT NOW |
| 03:52.06 | Torhal | I'll move on to Semlar, then. |
| 03:52.12 | Semlar | no |
| 03:52.29 | Torhal | Zulu? |
| 03:52.36 | Semlar | zombocom |
| 03:52.48 | Torhal | Fine. Engrish it is. |
| 04:00.15 | Constie | You can localize anything at zombocom. |
| 04:09.01 | infamousX | anyone else in here done CM: Gold on Shado-Pan? |
| 04:09.38 | infamousX | It would be interesting to get another perspective on it because my group *barely* got it |
| 04:10.47 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 04:11.34 | Stanzilla | infamousX: any specific questions? |
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| 04:12.05 | infamousX | Did you stealth through any parts? And what comp did you use / time finished? |
| 04:12.46 | Stanzilla | yes, there are more than one valid strats and a lof of comps |
| 04:13.02 | Stanzilla | one is after the second boss for the bridge |
| 04:13.07 | Stanzilla | we use that most of the time |
| 04:17.36 | Stanzilla | infamousX: to get the amount of required mob kills you kill the first group after the second boss, then stealth pot the next groups and a bit onto the bridge |
| 04:18.19 | infamousX | we stealthed after boss #2 to the beginning of the bridge |
| 04:19.07 | infamousX | but we had a weird comp |
| 04:19.34 | infamousX | brewmaster, ele, rogue, warrior, resto druid |
| 04:24.56 | Stanzilla | that is a very good one |
| 04:26.44 | Stanzilla | apart from the rogue maybe :D |
| 04:39.16 | jefferyw | Torhal, great work on _NPCScan btw |
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| 04:50.31 | nebula169 | Stanzilla: where? |
| 04:52.51 | Stanzilla | nebula169: was false alert, the asserts again |
| 04:53.08 | nebula169 | i know, but i thought i caught all of those |
| 04:53.22 | Stanzilla | oh, lemme log in again |
| 04:55.33 | Stanzilla | nebula169: http://pastebin.com/WMZAKYS9 |
| 04:58.09 | jefferyw | nevcairiel, bartender4 has a funny glitch now |
| 04:58.29 | jefferyw | if you use a bag addon the bags icon goes all screwy |
| 04:58.54 | jefferyw | I disabled bartender4 to see and it went back to normal |
| 05:01.34 | nebula169 | not sure why thats - delimited |
| 05:04.33 | nebula169 | jesus, they did change it |
| 05:05.21 | nebula169 | UnitGUID("target") => "Creature-0-970-1116-108-81630-00019A659B" |
| 05:05.23 | nebula169 | z.z |
| 05:05.49 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 05:05.56 | Stanzilla | how did it look before? without the dashes? |
| 05:06.05 | nebula169 | : delim |
| 05:10.15 | jefferyw | ah nice big lua error for bartender4 https://bpaste.net/raw/245f398279d0 |
| 05:11.37 | Stanzilla | jefferyw: are you using the WoD branch version? |
| 05:11.42 | jefferyw | nope |
| 05:11.55 | jefferyw | whatever version is on curse client |
| 05:12.13 | jefferyw | 4.5.13.2-8-????? |
| 05:12.18 | Stanzilla | http://files.1f0.de/wow/Bartender4_4.6.0_Beta2_WoD.zip |
| 05:13.51 | jefferyw | wow thats a trusty looking link |
| 05:14.42 | Stanzilla | haha, it's nevcairiel's domain, so all good |
| 05:15.04 | jefferyw | I will use a compare files program |
| 05:15.13 | jefferyw | to see what got changed |
| 05:15.28 | Stanzilla | have fun |
| 05:15.37 | jefferyw | will only take a second anyways |
| 05:15.45 | jefferyw | already done :) |
| 05:16.03 | Stanzilla | if you're familiar with git, checking out the WoD branch is a possibility, too |
| 05:17.01 | jefferyw | yes I am |
| 05:17.07 | jefferyw | I use github almost daily |
| 05:17.16 | jefferyw | I have a few github repos I update |
| 05:18.16 | jefferyw | just funny that its not on curse listed as a alpha or beta build |
| 05:18.32 | nebula169 | curse doesn't build branches |
| 05:18.42 | Stanzilla | the curseforge packager currently does no.. |
| 05:18.44 | Stanzilla | OK KYLE |
| 05:18.46 | Stanzilla | THIS TIME YOU WIN |
| 05:18.58 | nebula169 | fist pumps |
| 05:23.35 | pompy | ~lart Stanzilla |
| 05:23.35 | purl | frags Stanzilla with his BFG9000 |
| 05:23.38 | pompy | yes |
| 05:23.42 | jefferyw | http://www.wowace.com/addons/bartender4/repositories/mainline/packager/ |
| 05:23.46 | jefferyw | this is the git? |
| 05:24.03 | Stanzilla | jefferyw: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bartender4/repositories/mainline/ |
| 05:24.33 | karl_w_w | 3 years since it was built and google maps has finally worked out it is possible to drive down my street |
| 05:25.08 | jefferyw | May 11 |
| 05:25.10 | jefferyw | Bartender4-4.5.13.2-8-gdbd8c46.zip |
| 05:25.48 | jefferyw | thats what is on curse client |
| 05:26.08 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 05:27.24 | jefferyw | so all this new code thats on here is not even alpha its dev builds |
| 05:27.41 | jefferyw | and the .zip you linked was a dev build |
| 05:28.10 | jefferyw | and probley not supported |
| 05:29.00 | Stanzilla | the zip was generated from the WoD branch |
| 05:29.14 | Stanzilla | and what kind of support do you want, if you have a bug, just report it |
| 05:29.15 | Fisker | Ok TC-Work |
| 05:29.32 | jefferyw | so I would need the WoD client to use that branch |
| 05:30.03 | Stanzilla | wait |
| 05:30.13 | Stanzilla | I thought you wanted a version that works in beta? |
| 05:30.35 | jefferyw | oh ok sorry for not being more clear on that |
| 05:31.26 | jefferyw | its just a visual bug anyways does not stop the addon from working |
| 05:31.43 | Stanzilla | in beta or live? |
| 05:31.52 | jefferyw | its just not pretty to look at |
| 05:32.01 | jefferyw | live WoW |
| 05:32.34 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 05:32.56 | Stanzilla | then everything I just explained is invalid |
| 05:33.09 | Stanzilla | or better, doesn't apply |
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| 05:35.47 | jefferyw | was fun to talk to someone besides myself for a change :) |
| 05:36.02 | jefferyw | without any yelling or screaming |
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| 05:46.16 | zenzelezz | "You may think you're annoyed, but you'll never be my-cat-when-I-won't-let-him-outside annoyed. He's complaining like he got a free U2 album." |
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| 06:12.48 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || WoD beta access! WoWI: http://bit.ly/1smb4qM or Curse: http://goo.gl/eVsdYQ || BC UI Community Dinner Sign Up: http://bit.ly/1pqdONd || Happy Birthday Seerah! |
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| 06:30.38 | zenzelezz | random power outage is random |
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| 06:49.50 | karl_w_w | just say no to randomly generated power |
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| 07:14.58 | Siku | Sorry if this question has already been asked somewhere: Is there a way to make an AceConfigDialog option's width "Until the end of the window" (Full puts it on its own line) |
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| 07:18.33 | nevcairiel | there is not |
| 07:19.25 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:19.39 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 07:19.43 | Fisker | :O |
| 07:19.58 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:20.04 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:20.53 | Siku | ... I guess an empty description using full seems to not create much height, so I guess that could work. |
| 07:21.13 | nevcairiel | it should just add a line break without any height |
| 07:24.47 | Siku | Great. I can work with that. |
| 07:25.26 | nevcairiel | its a common thing to use it like that |
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| 07:37.47 | jefferyw | hi nevcairiel :) |
| 07:38.43 | jefferyw | in bartender4 under presets you can choose blizzard interface and apply it |
| 07:38.53 | jefferyw | it only puts 1 bag icon by default? |
| 07:38.58 | jefferyw | and in the wrong spot |
| 07:39.15 | jefferyw | or are my presets just broken |
| 07:40.09 | jefferyw | the full reset preset shows all the bag icons |
| 07:41.49 | jefferyw | I might try to disable all my addons and only load bartender4 and see if it still glitches |
| 07:44.31 | nevcairiel | you know you can just move the bar |
| 07:44.49 | jefferyw | ah |
| 07:45.04 | jefferyw | so maybe the presets are designed for a certain screen resolution |
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| 07:45.19 | jefferyw | which is why its all funky looking |
| 07:47.41 | jefferyw | oh nice |
| 07:47.48 | jefferyw | I just joined #wowace |
| 07:47.50 | jefferyw | and saw that |
| 07:47.52 | nevcairiel | there, i moved the preset bag position a bit to better fit on common resolutions, maybe blizzard also fuzzed with it |
| 07:48.05 | jefferyw | thanks for the quick fix :) |
| 07:48.26 | jefferyw | great addon used it for years |
| 07:48.28 | nevcairiel | but in the end you can just move anything about bartender yourself |
| 07:48.32 | karl_w_w | i always noticed that with bartender, but didnt see why it would matter; why install bartender just to have blizzard bars layout :P |
| 07:48.39 | nevcairiel | some people like it |
| 07:49.55 | jefferyw | also your FAQS says I can send you cookies? |
| 07:49.59 | jefferyw | how can I get them to you |
| 07:50.22 | jefferyw | I do homemade cookies |
| 07:50.42 | nevcairiel | unless you're german, thats probably not practical |
| 07:50.50 | jefferyw | heh |
| 07:51.11 | jefferyw | while you are here |
| 07:51.16 | jefferyw | is this lua error bad? |
| 07:51.17 | jefferyw | https://bpaste.net/raw/245f398279d0 |
| 07:51.32 | nevcairiel | not really, its just a follow up error, the error that came before is probably bad |
| 07:51.46 | jefferyw | oh I missed the previous one |
| 07:53.05 | nevcairiel | anyhow karl_w_w, having the preset at least is nice, before it just dumped all bars in the middle of your screen and alienated a new user :D |
| 07:53.43 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 07:54.11 | jefferyw | I would really enjoy if users could share presets |
| 07:54.44 | jefferyw | like oh hey I have 1080p res and this looks nice lets share it |
| 07:54.57 | nevcairiel | i dunno, seems like a stretch, bar positions are kinda very specific to ones overall UI |
| 07:55.28 | jefferyw | you are probley right on that one |
| 07:55.36 | nevcairiel | its not like you can customize it much more in detail |
| 07:56.44 | jefferyw | I mean like share the X and Y and spacing of say bar1 2 3 etc |
| 07:57.26 | jefferyw | if I spend 2 hours getting it to look good would love to just share my settings with my friends |
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| 07:59.21 | jefferyw | probley spend more time getting raid and party frame related addons to look nice |
| 07:59.52 | Jamash | can the ptr and beta share data? |
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| 08:00.30 | jefferyw | ah yes like Shadowed UF has a copy and paste share settings thingy |
| 08:00.32 | Jamash | I just loaded the ptr and had it list all the realms as "incompatible" and then crash, but then when I looked in resource manager it was reading from the beta directory and writing to the ptr directory |
| 08:01.30 | Neffi | that sounds bad |
| 08:01.47 | Jamash | it might be that it was just checksumming the beta and also downloading the ptr simultaneously |
| 08:01.54 | Jamash | I really couldn't say |
| 08:02.43 | Jamash | but if the bnet agent knows the checksum of all the data for all its clients...? |
| 08:03.16 | Jamash | they could have some distributed filesystem magic going on |
| 08:04.18 | Neffi | not sure. their resident mage left <_< |
| 08:05.41 | jefferyw | nevcairiel, updated BT4 and its working good now :) |
| 08:06.05 | Jamash | does character copy work? |
| 08:10.38 | nevcairiel | it used to ,unless they broke it |
| 08:11.31 | Jamash | it just stalls on copy in progress |
| 08:11.39 | nevcairiel | beta or ptr |
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| 08:12.13 | Jamash | ptr |
| 08:12.17 | Jamash | ptr |
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| 08:20.19 | Jamash | and then the ptr crashed |
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| 08:33.15 | nevcairiel | i know it works on the beta, never tested on ptr tbh |
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| 08:44.53 | Simca_ | ptr isn't even branched from beta, they're identical builds |
| 08:45.05 | Simca_ | wouldn't surprise me too much if it only worked on one and not the other, by design |
| 08:45.19 | nevcairiel | they did say it was supposed to work |
| 08:45.25 | nevcairiel | and its at least a different compile |
| 08:45.26 | karl_w_w | so today I learnt the largest component of tooth enamel is a mineral called apatite |
| 08:46.03 | Neffi | chuckles |
| 08:54.42 | Simca_ | a full compile generates 8 wow*.exe files (wowi, wowb, wowt, and wow - and their 64 bit variants), but the installs have started only containing 2 executables |
| 08:56.00 | Simca_ | so it's conceivable that they literally identical except the exes |
| 08:56.23 | kullervo | ... how do you know? |
| 08:56.38 | Maldivia | common knowledge :D |
| 08:56.59 | Maldivia | or well, at least amoung people playing with the patch files etc :) |
| 08:56.59 | karl_w_w | Simca_ is furor |
| 08:57.12 | Fisker | furor has nothing to do with that karl_w_w |
| 08:57.13 | Fisker | pls |
| 08:57.16 | Fisker | btw karl_w_w |
| 08:57.27 | Fisker | did you read the flavor text on the vanish card in hearthstone? |
| 08:57.57 | karl_w_w | nothing to do with != doesn't have access to |
| 08:58.00 | Simca_ | WoD alpha made it pretty clear - they included 6/8 exes in every build |
| 08:58.28 | Fisker | He wouldn't even know what to do with the information karl_w_w |
| 08:58.28 | Fisker | pls |
| 08:58.31 | Simca_ | and they've 'forgotten' to remove the mac WoWI.exe equivalent more than once in the past |
| 08:58.40 | karl_w_w | pls |
| 08:58.41 | Fisker | wowi? |
| 08:58.47 | Fisker | What's the I for? :P |
| 08:58.47 | Simca_ | internal |
| 08:58.49 | Fisker | ah |
| 08:58.53 | Maldivia | Simca_: actually, you forgot WoWGM and WoWGM-64 |
| 08:59.02 | Simca_ | yeah, 10 exes then |
| 08:59.48 | Maldivia | Simca_: you have WoW, WoWGB, WoWB, WoWI, WoWP, WoWT and WoWTR (and the 64 versions) |
| 09:00.04 | Maldivia | ups, WoWGM, not GM :D |
| 09:00.09 | Maldivia | arghh... GB |
| 09:00.14 | Mr_Rabies | geez, what are those used for |
| 09:00.16 | Simca_ | ah right TR was in the alpha release |
| 09:00.17 | Fisker | still doesn't make sense Maldivia |
| 09:00.51 | Simca_ | probably stands for 'test release', it's like a test version of live without the PTR-specific stuff iirc |
| 09:00.55 | Simca_ | no idea what WoWP is |
| 09:01.00 | Maldivia | Mr_Rabies: WoW (release), WoWGM (GM version), WoWB (beta), WoWI (internal), WoWP (profiling?), WoWT (test), WoWTR (test release) |
| 09:01.32 | Mr_Rabies | crazy |
| 09:02.16 | Simca_ | WoW/WoWT/WoWB/WoWTR are like 98% identical - very minor differences |
| 09:02.51 | Simca_ | WoWI is about 2.5x the file size and contains a stupidly ridiculous amount of information |
| 09:03.00 | nevcairiel | ie. a debug build |
| 09:04.30 | Simca_ | right down to the required parameters for packets containing GM commands. I wonder if they fire somebody every time that gets 'forgotten to be removed' |
| 09:07.45 | Maldivia | Simca: it hasn't happen _that_ many times :D |
| 09:07.57 | Maldivia | ... only like once every beta cycle |
| 09:08.14 | Simca_ | i think they avoided it in MoP |
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| 10:50.38 | Workfoz | ~seen seerah |
| 10:50.40 | purl | seerah <~RyanNL@adsl-74-226-65-237.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 8h 21m 32s ago, saying: 'Now, you don't have to upload it if you don't want to. But just because Phanx said "don't do it", doesn't mean you have to listen to her :)'. |
| 10:51.02 | Workfoz | srsly! not being on IRC on your birthday is counter-productive :D |
| 10:51.12 | nevcairiel | USians are still asleep |
| 10:52.31 | nevcairiel | its like shortly before 6 where she lives |
| 10:58.52 | Workfoz | pfff details |
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| 11:15.46 | karl_w_w | sleeping on your birthday is counter-productive |
| 11:16.35 | kullervo | what if one really likes to sleep |
| 11:18.44 | karl_w_w | one can sleep when one is dead |
| 11:18.54 | sb | sleep as birthday present isnt that bad |
| 11:23.02 | nevcairiel | there should be a law that everyones birthday is a day off work |
| 11:23.45 | nevcairiel | so you can sleep |
| 11:24.33 | karl_w_w | no, there should be a law that you get paid double if you work on your birthday |
| 11:25.03 | nevcairiel | but that would get people to actualyl work on your birthday, not have a day off |
| 11:25.45 | karl_w_w | i dont want my birthday off, its really close to christmas |
| 11:26.01 | karl_w_w | i'll take a day off some other time :P |
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| 11:58.16 | p3lim | oh, they completely replaced the old tutorial system? |
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| 12:30.19 | Fisker | hands Lopeppeppy a handkerchief |
| 12:34.04 | p3lim | heh, the tutorial is suggesting hunters to use melee weapons |
| 12:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | What am I crying about, Fisker? |
| 12:37.09 | Fisker | Nothing |
| 12:37.12 | Fisker | I hope |
| 12:37.30 | Fisker | It was for your maybe running nose! |
| 12:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | Sniffly, but the cold seems to have settled on invading my tonsils instead of my nose. |
| 12:40.21 | Fisker | Oh |
| 12:42.01 | Dagmar | Happy berfday to Lopeppeppy! |
| 12:42.25 | Lopeppeppy | But I am not having a birthday today. Unbirthday for certain. |
| 12:42.26 | Fisker | Only when it is her birthday Dagmar |
| 12:42.53 | Dagmar | Google sez otherwise and Google knows _everything_ |
| 12:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | Google is f'd in the head, Dagmar. |
| 12:43.17 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:43.26 | Fisker | Google is my pal |
| 12:43.42 | Fisker | Seerah has a birthday though |
| 12:43.44 | Dagmar | Although it's altogether possible I've got nyms mixed up |
| 12:43.54 | Dagmar | Whoever the hell Ryan is then |
| 12:44.04 | Fisker | O_o |
| 12:44.06 | Fisker | Ryan? |
| 12:44.09 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah does have a birthday today, that's who you're thinking of. The other short awesome Lounge Lady. |
| 12:44.22 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn is taller, so for these purposes she's the tall Lounge Lady. |
| 12:44.26 | Fisker | doesn't think Lopeppeppy is a Ryan |
| 12:45.34 | Dagmar | Oops. Okay, Seerah then |
| 12:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, did you know that Ryan, Kelly, and Shannon are commonly used for both males and females? Lesley and Sidney too. Bailey, Cameron, Cassidy... |
| 12:46.29 | Fisker | :O |
| 12:46.48 | Fisker | I did not know this |
| 12:47.40 | Dagmar | Also Chelsey, but that's a name parents give their kids when they want them to grow up toughened by all those beatings |
| 12:47.54 | Dagmar | Pansy isn't used so much anymore |
| 12:51.40 | Fisker | Did have lots of fun with my friend called Kim though |
| 12:52.11 | Fisker | Since it's predominantly a male name here, but otherwise female most other places |
| 12:52.59 | Fisker | Everybody was like weirded out by having a Kim being male |
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| 13:08.55 | Lopeppeppy | In this day and age, I'm just happy that people have names I can pronounce - gender norms can go get bent. |
| 13:09.16 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 13:09.39 | Semlar | but kim is just short for kimberly |
| 13:10.02 | Fisker | My friend Kim was definitely not short for Kimberly :P |
| 13:10.39 | Fisker | But yeah people choose the weirdest names for kids these days |
| 13:11.23 | Workfoz | Kimberly Jong Un |
| 13:12.59 | Fisker | hot |
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| 13:45.02 | Fisker | have you seen people that use z instead of s in names Lopeppeppy ? |
| 13:50.38 | karl_w_w | what about it Fizker? |
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| 13:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | Have you seen how they spell Uneek? Insane. |
| 14:06.28 | Fisker | O_o? |
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| 14:08.55 | Fisker | oh wow Lopeppeppy |
| 14:08.56 | Fisker | I got it |
| 14:08.59 | Fisker | I think |
| 14:09.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... some "new" names are far out. |
| 14:11.52 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 14:12.01 | Fisker | We had someone here called Maximillian |
| 14:12.06 | Fisker | Though I guess it's technically a name |
| 14:12.07 | Fisker | but still |
| 14:12.24 | Fisker | Seen a few ones like where they replaced s with z instead as well |
| 14:12.32 | Fisker | But those names don't make tons of sense in english anyway |
| 14:12.33 | nevcairiel | thats really more of a old name |
| 14:12.42 | Fisker | Yeah nevcairiel I know |
| 14:12.51 | Fisker | Like somebody calling their kid Zarah |
| 14:12.55 | Fisker | Instead of sarah |
| 14:13.33 | nevcairiel | you mean like zenzelezz? |
| 14:14.08 | Workfoz | or putting the "h" in the wrong place in Sarah |
| 14:14.18 | nevcairiel | how does that work |
| 14:14.22 | nevcairiel | sahra? |
| 14:14.26 | nevcairiel | sarha? |
| 14:14.31 | nevcairiel | shara? |
| 14:14.31 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 14:14.33 | Workfoz | Sahra |
| 14:14.40 | nevcairiel | I know a sara though |
| 14:14.42 | Workfoz | or even Sahrah (srsly, that looks so wrong) |
| 14:14.44 | Workfoz | Sara is ok |
| 14:15.09 | Workfoz | Sarah or Sara was the wife of Abraham and the mother of Isaac as ...yadda yadda |
| 14:15.23 | Workfoz | I think they might be confusing it with Sahara! |
| 14:15.23 | Workfoz | :P |
| 14:15.30 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:15.39 | nevcairiel | yeah its not far off |
| 14:16.26 | foxlit | this is only a problem because english phonetics are ocassionally crazy. |
| 14:16.52 | Fisker | Only valid modern name would be <acceptable name>'); Drop Table Students; |
| 14:17.11 | nevcairiel | bobby tables is a great name |
| 14:17.52 | foxlit | it bugs me that whatever is running those queries is expected to have permission to DROP things. |
| 14:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | We call him Little Bobby Drop Tables. :) |
| 14:18.02 | foxlit | might as well go for DROP DATABASE. |
| 14:18.19 | nevcairiel | someone who doesnt sanitize input also doesnt setup permissions properly |
| 14:18.53 | Fisker | but foxlit |
| 14:19.07 | Workfoz | if you run that on any Oracle version before the latest one, drop database would do nothing |
| 14:19.27 | Fisker | When I setup this database I could only get it to work if the account was domain admin in our active directory and had all permission flags |
| 14:19.34 | nevcairiel | also, many times a setup would be so that you can mess around inside your database, but not with your database as-is |
| 14:19.41 | Fisker | Also for some reason our database is growing uncontrollably |
| 14:20.06 | Workfoz | uncontrolled growth ftw |
| 14:20.13 | Fisker | well nevcairiel people who sanitize inputs are usually not the people who setup permissions |
| 14:20.38 | nevcairiel | Workfoz: does oracle even have the concept of something called a database? they always used scheme and users to identify this stuff, not sure i ran across a command really calling it database |
| 14:20.52 | Workfoz | they do now |
| 14:20.57 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 14:21.15 | Workfoz | but what you're saying is still mostly true |
| 14:21.15 | nevcairiel | but the joke probably targets mysql or shit |
| 14:21.30 | Workfoz | it just became multi-tenant capable with 12c |
| 14:21.37 | Workfoz | only took them 30 years |
| 14:21.41 | nevcairiel | well 11 was the last version i used |
| 14:21.53 | Workfoz | drop database actually works since 10g |
| 14:21.57 | nevcairiel | in fact migrating our db to 11 was one of the last tasks i did before i q uit |
| 14:22.04 | Workfoz | but you need to be in a special mount state |
| 14:22.15 | Workfoz | which you can't get to without shutting it down first etc |
| 14:22.21 | Fisker | I'll mount you specially |
| 14:22.24 | Fisker | :) |
| 14:22.38 | Workfoz | (startup mount exclusive restrict; or something) |
| 14:22.41 | Fisker | but I would mostly be doing insert into |
| 14:22.46 | Fisker | Not drop database |
| 14:22.54 | Workfoz | sorry, not enough privileges |
| 14:24.41 | Fisker | :< |
| 14:25.15 | Workfoz | I wish we'd get rid of some of our coins, to make stuff like this usable http://vimeo.com/81348181 |
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| 14:55.36 | g0urra | http://www.reddit.com/r/redditintensifies |
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| 15:53.34 | TC-Work | ~lart Kaelten |
| 15:53.34 | purl | shoves a crumpet down Kaelten's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 15:53.42 | TC-Work | damnit, meant to do that to karl_w_w |
| 15:53.54 | karl_w_w | fuck |
| 15:54.00 | karl_w_w | i missed out on a crumpet :( |
| 15:54.14 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.34 | karl_w_w | it's a crumpet, I'll take it however I can get it |
| 15:54.38 | Fisker | A |
| 15:54.46 | TC-Work | Rectally? |
| 16:09.46 | Kaelten | ~lart TC-Work |
| 16:09.46 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays TC-Work in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 16:10.59 | TC-Work | hangs his head in shame. |
| 16:10.59 | Fisker | Hey Kaelten |
| 16:11.09 | Kaelten | ~lart Fisker |
| 16:11.09 | purl | puts Fisker through a wood chipper |
| 16:11.15 | Kaelten | waves at Fisker |
| 16:11.18 | Kaelten | :) |
| 16:11.28 | Fisker | waves back |
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| 16:29.35 | Ackis | hai Kaelten |
| 16:29.47 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 16:29.47 | purl | beats Ackis senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 16:29.51 | Kaelten | :D |
| 16:30.10 | Ackis | pfft Unix manuals are more than 50lb's |
| 16:35.56 | Fisker | I'm eating food Ackis |
| 16:36.12 | Ackis | kool |
| 16:36.21 | TC-Work | aid |
| 16:37.45 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:39.43 | TC-Work | OH YEA! |
| 16:41.04 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 17:43.33 | foxlit | ... and ExportInterfaceFiles is still broken. Honestly. :( |
| 17:44.58 | nevcairiel | did you send a bug report? |
| 17:45.46 | foxlit | of course not. Who does that? |
| 17:46.19 | TC-Work | ~lart foxlit |
| 17:46.19 | purl | shoves a crumpet down foxlit's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 17:48.11 | foxlit | not TC-Work, then. |
| 17:48.52 | TC-Work | I spend half my day dealing with shit that is NOT in a bug report that SHOULD be. |
| 17:49.07 | TC-Work | granted that is something of a misnomer. |
| 17:50.28 | foxlit | TC-Work: your bug reporting system probably doesn't look functionally equivalent to writing to /dev/null. |
| 17:51.16 | TC-Work | foxlit: No, but I kinda wish it did. "Nope, sorry can't help, never got a bug." |
| 17:51.26 | Fisker | Where is the proof foxlit |
| 17:52.04 | foxlit | In section 3, Fisker. |
| 17:52.09 | Fisker | oh |
| 17:52.15 | Fisker | I didn't read the fine print |
| 17:52.47 | foxlit | TC-Work: just having to answer "sorry can't help" is already not equivalent to /dev/null. |
| 17:53.28 | foxlit | though I sympathize with the sentiment of http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/apathydemotivator.jpg |
| 17:55.43 | Fisker | Sounds like a plan foxlit |
| 17:55.51 | Fisker | But then they call after 6 months asking what's up :( |
| 17:57.49 | Industrial | /castsequence reset=14 Chi Wave, Expel Harm, Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab |
| 17:58.07 | Industrial | I think this is too many jabs, howmuch do I put in there or doesnt it matter and it will reset anyway after 14sec? |
| 17:59.01 | foxlit | it matters. |
| 18:00.00 | nevcairiel | too many dont really matter though, if thats what you want it to do |
| 18:00.12 | foxlit | too many is kind of bad. |
| 18:00.17 | nevcairiel | how |
| 18:00.22 | nevcairiel | the reset t imer will take care of it |
| 18:00.35 | foxlit | only if you don't trigger the macro again. |
| 18:00.54 | nevcairiel | reset only works when not using it? |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | thats kinda funky, i figured it would mean every 14s it starts from the first spell, no matter how much you used it |
| 18:01.28 | Industrial | yeah I am experiencing the thing not resetting thats the problem :) |
| 18:01.41 | foxlit | that's what everyone who uses it wants it to mean, but that's intentionally not the case. |
| 18:01.48 | Industrial | guess I'll go for 3 for now and see if i should add any\ |
| 18:02.08 | Industrial | what's does the numerical value of 'reset=' represent, then, foxlit ? |
| 18:02.09 | nevcairiel | well yeah then make sure to add as much as you need to cover the time |
| 18:02.23 | nevcairiel | seconds of idle time, if i understand him right |
| 18:02.25 | kd3 | reset=x will reset the castsequence after x seconds of _not touching_ the macro |
| 18:02.30 | Industrial | ah |
| 18:02.38 | nevcairiel | thats kinda pointless of a feature, isnt it |
| 18:04.09 | Industrial | so using the `/castsequence reset=0.2 0,0,0 Chi Wave /castsequence reset=0.2 0,0 Expel Harm /castsequence reset=0.2 0 Jab` form here would be preferred? :D |
| 18:05.08 | kd3 | it's started. another beta/ptr build |
| 18:05.23 | foxlit | (a) That is really abusing a bug that should've been fixed ages ago. |
| 18:05.26 | nevcairiel | and you didnt even manage to mail out the one from last night kd3 |
| 18:05.32 | foxlit | (b) If you're happy with the equivalent of /castrandom, go for it. |
| 18:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | If you're happy and you know it, cast a spell. |
| 18:12.43 | kd3 | the b18888 email is out |
| 18:13.55 | Fisker | casts a spell on Lopeppeppy |
| 18:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | I put a spell on you! And now you're mine! |
| 18:14.14 | Fisker | oh no! |
| 18:14.19 | Fisker | tries to get away |
| 18:15.16 | Lopeppeppy | You have failed your agility check. A grue eats you. |
| 18:15.50 | Fisker | D'aww |
| 18:15.58 | Fisker | Don't be so hard on yourself |
| 18:16.07 | TC-Work | Time to rewrite your script kd3. |
| 18:16.22 | TC-Work | Obviously not the leader in lazy bash scripting. |
| 18:16.25 | kd3 | it's on the list with a bunch of other things to do |
| 18:16.34 | Fisker | Is it last on the list kd3 ? |
| 18:16.46 | kd3 | about 2/3 of the way down |
| 18:17.19 | Fisker | If you sorted in givingashitological order? |
| 18:17.20 | Fisker | :P |
| 18:17.26 | kd3 | roughly |
| 18:17.50 | Lopeppeppy | What is this givingashit that you speak of? |
| 18:17.58 | Fisker | I don't know Lopeppeppy |
| 18:18.06 | Fisker | It's the thing you pretend to do when people keep bothering you |
| 18:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, like numberoffucksgiven? |
| 18:20.01 | Fisker | Yep |
| 18:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | They tell me that cannot ever be a negative number, but I don't believe them. |
| 18:20.50 | Fisker | I have seen it |
| 18:20.56 | Fisker | The negative number is real |
| 18:21.39 | Fisker | It's like Neo in The Matrix |
| 18:22.12 | Fisker | But instead of dodging bullets you kind of start pulling bullets towards you |
| 18:25.00 | Simca_ | every time i left-click my mouse, i double click and then right-click |
| 18:26.06 | Simca_ | oh god nvm, two of my keyboard keys were smashed in, that's why i was getting that impression |
| 18:26.24 | Semlar | stop they keyboard abuse |
| 18:27.42 | Semlar | neffi what does scotland have against europe |
| 18:28.09 | jefferyw | is there a thread somewhere why toptenhammer stopped playerscore? |
| 18:28.17 | Semlar | tentonhammer |
| 18:28.55 | Semlar | and probably because it was terrible |
| 18:29.15 | jefferyw | was it? |
| 18:29.22 | Semlar | it was pretty terrible |
| 18:29.27 | jefferyw | I know they took over gearscore like back in 2010 |
| 18:30.00 | Semlar | i think when they started putting item levels on everything it made it kind of pointless |
| 18:30.17 | jefferyw | honestly I was not interested in the numbers as much |
| 18:30.26 | jefferyw | I just liked that I could inspect a player |
| 18:30.30 | nevcairiel | yeah, thats when gearscore died, they tried to bring it back as playerscore but it never caught on |
| 18:30.33 | jefferyw | and see all their items in a tooltip |
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| 18:30.46 | Semlar | also this is a thing http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/gearscore |
| 18:30.50 | jefferyw | to quickly see what they needed to upgrade |
| 18:31.23 | Semlar | all i know is the addon was super bloated and i think blizzard banned it at one point because of all the traffic |
| 18:31.43 | jefferyw | oh so it was poorly written |
| 18:31.53 | nevcairiel | more like poorly designed |
| 18:31.53 | Semlar | it was actually causing people to lag in raids because of the communication |
| 18:31.57 | jefferyw | also that gearscore on curse is over 1 year old |
| 18:32.09 | nevcairiel | thats because its mostly dead |
| 18:32.11 | kd3 | surprisingly many addons that blow up in popularity are written horribly |
| 18:32.17 | kd3 | s/sup/unsup/ |
| 18:32.22 | Semlar | i think it may be a requirements, actually |
| 18:32.42 | Semlar | the addon has to be written terribly to become popular |
| 18:32.48 | foxlit | psst, http://wowpedia.org/Equipment_Potency_EquivalencE_Number |
| 18:32.52 | nevcairiel | so thats why i never win |
| 18:33.06 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:33.11 | nevcairiel | that was a good one |
| 18:33.24 | Semlar | pretty sure there's an epeen addon that does exactly this |
| 18:33.40 | Semlar | i don't know if it's still around |
| 18:34.15 | Semlar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/e-peen/ aw |
| 18:34.52 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16373-TidyPlatesEPEEN.html |
| 18:36.27 | Semlar | i wonder if you could estimate a person's item level based on their health |
| 18:36.41 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 18:36.52 | Semlar | it probably would have issues with buffs and things |
| 18:36.58 | nevcairiel | assuming noone in their right mind sockets stamina as a non-tank |
| 18:37.19 | nevcairiel | and when you get health, you can usually also get buffs to subtract them |
| 18:37.28 | Semlar | well, their health and level are available on their nameplate but the rest of the stuff isn't |
| 18:37.29 | jefferyw | if this game had built in voice chat |
| 18:37.38 | nevcairiel | it does |
| 18:37.41 | Semlar | this game does have built in voice chat |
| 18:37.42 | kd3 | it does? it's crap though |
| 18:37.46 | Simca_ | would be nearly impossible to get it accurate for a tank, unless the number of sockets is really, really consistent in WoD |
| 18:37.46 | kd3 | nobody uses it |
| 18:37.53 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont think it ever saw usage |
| 18:38.17 | Semlar | the quality wasn't very good |
| 18:38.18 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_2.2 |
| 18:38.29 | Semlar | and people preferred their voice programs |
| 18:38.39 | foxlit | I haven't seen anyone actually try using it. ever. |
| 18:38.56 | nevcairiel | it happened a few times when it was still relatively new |
| 18:39.01 | Semlar | yeah |
| 18:39.07 | nevcairiel | but today most people dont even remember it exists |
| 18:39.15 | Semlar | they probably wouldn't know how to enable it |
| 18:39.17 | foxlit | this was bc, so raiding guild, and we sure as heck didn't bother. |
| 18:39.27 | nevcairiel | organized guilds have their own stuff anyhow |
| 18:39.33 | p3lim | our guild tried it when it first came out |
| 18:39.44 | p3lim | took 5 minutes before we went back to ventrilo |
| 18:40.11 | Semlar | plus with the external voice chat you can still talk if you aren't in the game |
| 18:40.40 | p3lim | especially good if you're a tank or healer and disconnect mid-fight |
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| 18:45.36 | jefferyw | just asking about this because random dungons at lower levels |
| 18:45.40 | jefferyw | are not very social |
| 18:45.48 | jefferyw | they are just GO GO GO |
| 18:45.54 | Semlar | good |
| 18:45.56 | nevcairiel | random dungeons at higher level arent any different |
| 18:46.03 | jefferyw | sometimes tanks pull way to much way to fast |
| 18:46.07 | nevcairiel | if you want social, joiun a guild :D |
| 18:46.15 | Semlar | there's no such thing as too fast |
| 18:46.15 | jefferyw | and me as the healer can not keep up |
| 18:46.37 | jefferyw | and get yelled at when I can not keep up with a tank in full BoA gear |
| 18:46.57 | Semlar | shouldn't he be easier to heal? |
| 18:47.06 | foxlit | not if he pulls half the instance. |
| 18:47.11 | foxlit | meh, natural selection. Let him die. |
| 18:47.11 | jefferyw | honestly I think BoA is a joke and kills the game |
| 18:47.26 | nevcairiel | you mean heirlooms |
| 18:47.32 | nevcairiel | BoA is just a item property |
| 18:47.33 | jefferyw | yes same thing |
| 18:47.42 | jefferyw | heirloom BoA |
| 18:47.57 | Semlar | i thought he was talking about snakes |
| 18:48.06 | jefferyw | like a tank in hairloom can pull 800 DPS |
| 18:48.06 | nevcairiel | that clears things up! |
| 18:48.10 | jefferyw | @ level 30 |
| 18:48.23 | jefferyw | makes everyone else doing 300 DPS look bad |
| 18:48.25 | nevcairiel | dont expect us to know average dps levels at level 30 |
| 18:48.39 | Semlar | well, a tank is going to out-damage dps pretty much up to max level |
| 18:48.57 | jefferyw | these tanks can solo the dungeons pretty much |
| 18:48.58 | Semlar | because tanks have aoe spells that actually do damage |
| 18:49.08 | Semlar | and nooobody else does aoe damage |
| 18:49.11 | jefferyw | do not need us |
| 18:49.39 | jefferyw | its like why even queue up as a healer when the tank does not even need one |
| 18:50.02 | Semlar | clearly you should be queing as a healer and dpsing |
| 18:50.16 | Semlar | although you were saying the tank was dying earlier even with you healing |
| 18:50.37 | jefferyw | because they go out of line of sight |
| 18:50.41 | jefferyw | or too far ahead |
| 18:50.44 | Semlar | ah but don't let them do that |
| 18:50.52 | jefferyw | and yell at me when they die |
| 18:51.16 | nevcairiel | if its just a matter of movement, and not actual healing power, then you should just keep up |
| 18:51.22 | jefferyw | tanks they do not have heirloom BoA tend to stick with the healer more |
| 18:51.27 | Semlar | yeah, unless you're running out of mana and have to drink |
| 18:51.33 | Semlar | in which case, it's their own problem |
| 18:51.47 | jefferyw | I play monk we do not use mana |
| 18:51.58 | Semlar | oh well then you should really not be having trouble keeping up |
| 18:52.06 | Semlar | monks are mobile as hell |
| 18:52.24 | foxlit | "jefferyw: I play monk we do not use mana" |
| 18:52.27 | foxlit | wtf. |
| 18:52.52 | jefferyw | healers should get a speed increase when doing dungeons |
| 18:53.11 | jefferyw | would make it fun and fair |
| 18:53.21 | Semlar | you just need to get used to keeping pace with the group |
| 18:53.42 | jefferyw | and thats when groups manage to stay together |
| 18:53.59 | Semlar | listen the only person you care about is the tank |
| 18:54.13 | Semlar | if someone else goes off and gets themselves killed |
| 18:54.21 | Semlar | that's on them |
| 18:54.21 | jefferyw | I get yelled at |
| 18:54.29 | jefferyw | I tell them I stay with the tank |
| 18:54.32 | nevcairiel | the same thing happens on max level these days, if you get a tank in heroic gear he'll pull all trash up to the next boss |
| 18:54.41 | nevcairiel | the only thing you as the healer have to do is just run beside him |
| 18:54.46 | nevcairiel | its not hard to heal at all |
| 18:54.50 | nevcairiel | you just have to run |
| 18:55.04 | Semlar | a heroic geared tank wouldn't even need healing |
| 18:55.17 | Semlar | they would have to pull a ridiculous number of mobs to actually manage to die |
| 18:55.18 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 18:55.31 | nevcairiel | assume a tank that feels confident enough but could still die then! |
| 18:55.38 | Maldivia | uhh.... interesting: http://store.steampowered.com/app/292120/ |
| 18:56.20 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: the 10% discount? on a 12.99 game? :p |
| 18:56.29 | kd3 | oh wow, FF4's on steam now |
| 18:56.45 | TC-Work | Yea, as a port of a port of a port. |
| 18:57.09 | Fisker | So it's actually worse than gta 4? |
| 18:57.14 | Fisker | Or is that pushing it a bit too far? |
| 18:57.24 | nevcairiel | the video looks nice, but i dont believe for a second thats ingame gfx :p |
| 18:57.27 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: more that they are actually putting recent FF games on PC |
| 18:57.38 | nevcairiel | if its 12.99 it cant be that good |
| 18:58.04 | Maldivia | well, the video was all cutscenes |
| 18:58.14 | TC-Work | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 18:58.14 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides nevcairiel with the sea of tranquility |
| 18:58.52 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: also, recent, the game is from 2009 |
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| 19:01.49 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: the last solo FF game for PC was in late 90s |
| 19:02.04 | nevcairiel | i think i played that |
| 19:02.26 | Maldivia | ok, actualy Jan 25 2000 for the PC, for FF8 |
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| 19:13.22 | jefferyw | this crap keeps coming up |
| 19:13.23 | jefferyw | https://bpaste.net/show/ab54f811d790 |
| 19:13.45 | nevcairiel | its broken, face it :) |
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| 19:14.27 | Simca_ | It was replaced with http://wowpedia.org/API_GetInspectArenaData in 5.4, jefferyw |
| 19:15.04 | jefferyw | there should just be a setting to disable pvp arena crap |
| 19:15.37 | jefferyw | in options you can disable the tab for it |
| 19:15.49 | jefferyw | not sure its the same as disable it |
| 19:16.37 | Simca_ | i'm pretty sure it was just renamed so you could fix the error with find/replace |
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| 19:18.42 | jefferyw | update the addon code myself you mean? |
| 19:19.31 | Simca_ | yes |
| 19:20.50 | Semlar | what are you using gearscore for |
| 19:21.44 | jefferyw | oh it says right at the top of scripts.lua its copyrighted |
| 19:22.28 | TC-Work | Doesn't that mean you can't distribute it, not self modify it? Not sure. |
| 19:22.41 | Simca_ | yes, TC-Work |
| 19:22.45 | Semlar | does it matter |
| 19:22.53 | Semlar | if you aren't distributing it who would know |
| 19:23.23 | TC-Work | Thats a question of morality Semlar. |
| 19:24.07 | Semlar | i have no morals |
| 19:24.38 | Semlar | at least i don't think i do, how would i know? |
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| 19:25.04 | jefferyw | ok so just need to update this section |
| 19:25.05 | jefferyw | https://bpaste.net/show/650643427066 |
| 19:26.05 | jefferyw | thats a snip of scripts.lua at line 4647 onwards |
| 19:26.59 | Simca_ | k, i can do redo it rq |
| 19:27.23 | jefferyw | so just remove the word Team |
| 19:28.00 | Semlar | that function has different returns |
| 19:28.27 | Simca_ | yeah, there is no team rating now |
| 19:28.32 | Simca_ | needs changed |
| 19:28.52 | Semlar | just comment out the whole thing |
| 19:29.08 | jefferyw | will do |
| 19:29.39 | Simca_ | yeah that's probably best, tbh |
| 19:29.57 | Simca_ | all of the code deals with manipulating those ratings based on differences in team sizes and team ratings |
| 19:30.02 | Simca_ | both of which are no longer returns |
| 19:32.05 | jefferyw | that error is gone now |
| 19:32.12 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
| 19:32.39 | jefferyw | only error left is |
| 19:32.39 | jefferyw | https://bpaste.net/show/d4e9bb6cc10b |
| 19:33.05 | jefferyw | not even sure where to fix this one |
| 19:33.25 | foxlit | /run function GetInspectArenaTeamData() end |
| 19:33.33 | Semlar | lol |
| 19:34.28 | Semlar | why isn't it listing a file |
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| 19:35.44 | Simca_ | xml-defined onload? |
| 19:36.33 | jefferyw | 3 matches of GetInspectArenaTeamData in frames.xml |
| 19:36.45 | Simca_ | haha wow |
| 19:37.32 | Simca_ | there's your xml using addon, foxlit |
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| 19:37.53 | Semlar | well, you can remove them or define your own GetInspectArenaTeamData function |
| 19:38.01 | jefferyw | im just gonna backspace all this crap |
| 19:38.09 | jefferyw | and cross my fingers nothing else breaks |
| 19:39.19 | Semlar | i wouldn't count on it |
| 19:40.28 | jefferyw | why did blizzard change this arenateamdata anyways |
| 19:40.33 | jefferyw | breaking this addon |
| 19:40.40 | mikma | just to piss people off, liek usual |
| 19:40.40 | Semlar | because they changed arenas |
| 19:41.06 | foxlit | Simca_: I would prefer something that was actually updated for 5.4. |
| 19:42.39 | jefferyw | well I took out all of this crap |
| 19:42.40 | jefferyw | https://bpaste.net/show/4e25e40584e2 |
| 19:42.51 | jefferyw | time to restart wow and see what broke |
| 19:43.16 | mikma | eh, hehe |
| 19:44.11 | jefferyw | so far no lua errors |
| 19:44.37 | mikma | and most likely it wont work either |
| 19:45.08 | jefferyw | ah crap |
| 19:45.13 | jefferyw | what a hunk of junk |
| 19:45.24 | jefferyw | I give up on this POS |
| 19:46.28 | mikma | i like your approach, remove half of the code and hope for the best :D |
| 19:46.35 | jefferyw | 1/2? |
| 19:47.03 | mikma | haaaaaaaalf |
| 19:47.11 | jefferyw | that was like 169 lines out of like 4000 |
| 19:47.40 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tit89ofCOt4 |
| 19:48.10 | jefferyw | lol bad santa was a great movie |
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| 19:51.16 | Fisker | My stomach blargh |
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| 20:18.45 | kd3 | seriously blizz? this screams tone-deaf: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/15910701/ |
| 20:20.16 | Fisker | What's wrong? |
| 20:20.32 | kd3 | "buy the game twice and we'll give you a code to give away/sell on eBay" |
| 20:20.49 | Fisker | Yeah? |
| 20:21.28 | foxlit | the non-insulting thing to do would've been to credit your battle.net balance instead. |
| 20:21.35 | Simca_ | no refund option Fisker |
| 20:21.38 | foxlit | if not refund the digital purchase outright. |
| 20:21.52 | Fisker | Meh |
| 20:22.01 | Fisker | I'm fine with the CD key |
| 20:22.27 | Simca_ | and i'm fine with the digital collector's only because i dislike having physical stuff |
| 20:22.48 | foxlit | and i'm increasingly fine with standard because digital collectors has nothing interesting in it. |
| 20:22.54 | Simca_ | still i understand that some people like their rooms to be less... Spartan than mine |
| 20:22.59 | Fisker | Yeah same Simca_ |
| 20:23.20 | foxlit | s/collectors/deluxe/ |
| 20:23.28 | Fisker | I still just want the stupid free stuff that isn't free foxlit |
| 20:23.40 | Fisker | Call me a dumbass :P |
| 20:24.17 | Simca_ | warlords of draenor complimentary tissue box, coming soon to a collector's edition near you |
| 20:24.30 | Simca_ | they should do that. |
| 20:24.36 | foxlit | usd 20 for a mount+battle pet, and some ui graphics in sc2/d3/hearthstone seems just... bad. |
| 20:24.53 | Fisker | I know |
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| 20:26.17 | Fisker | It's so sick they can do it :( |
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| 20:55.36 | Mr_Rabies | man i'm having a heck of a time getting into flex runs, i guess people just stopped really bothering with them |
| 20:57.16 | Semlar | i'd carry you but i don't think you're horde |
| 20:57.28 | Semlar | and we only do it on monday |
| 21:04.49 | Mr_Rabies | nop |
| 21:04.51 | Mr_Rabies | alliance |
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| 21:47.27 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/ani.mp4 << doesn't feel like I can get the speed of this animation right :/ |
| 21:50.41 | foxlit | kind of want mark to persist for longer, but also kind of want the whole thing to go away relatively quickly. |
| 21:55.53 | Semlar | when the icon is moved to the center, i would have it expand and fade out |
| 21:56.11 | Neffi | The mark should persist longer, but I think the whole thing should also persist *slightly* longer |
| 21:56.21 | Semlar | it's taking less than half a second to vanish |
| 21:56.45 | Semlar | and it's not a smooth transition |
| 21:57.05 | Semlar | it's also not really very obvious what icon is being pointed to when the ring is out |
| 21:57.27 | Semlar | the icon needs to be distinguished from the rest by something other than the arrow |
| 21:57.30 | Neffi | yeah, that's a definite issue |
| 21:57.49 | Semlar | either highlighting it or making it bigger or something |
| 21:58.06 | Semlar | maybe move the other icons away from it slightly |
| 21:58.19 | Neffi | OPie's existing behavior (on live) is perfect for this |
| 21:58.27 | Semlar | oh well okay |
| 21:58.45 | foxlit | so there are several issues. |
| 21:58.56 | foxlit | fading is problematic because blizzard skimps on frame-level blending. |
| 21:59.17 | foxlit | those things are constructed from multiple textures, and having each texture become semitransparent is awkward graphically. |
| 21:59.34 | Semlar | the spell icon isn't just one texture? |
| 21:59.46 | Semlar | just show the spell icon |
| 21:59.48 | Neffi | the border has to be able to be colored independently |
| 22:00.00 | foxlit | border, cooldown, text, selection glow, etc. |
| 22:00.19 | Semlar | none of that needs to be shown when it's fading out in the middle |
| 22:00.25 | Semlar | just show the spell icon fading out |
| 22:00.42 | Neffi | if the borders suddenly disappear to show the fade effect, it would look equally strange |
| 22:00.52 | Mr_Rabies | wonder if it's possible to fake animation smears with the UI stuff, foxlit |
| 22:01.01 | Semlar | keep the border then, i doubt it'll make much difference |
| 22:01.04 | foxlit | which is really why the majority of this is hidden by scaling. |
| 22:01.38 | Semlar | does the border really need to be overlapping the icon texture |
| 22:01.56 | Mr_Rabies | like this http://33.media.tumblr.com/7d509613fe8173edd96b2a4c098353fa/tumblr_naoo4sytcG1qjhlhko1_500.gif |
| 22:01.59 | Mr_Rabies | ...but with ui elements |
| 22:02.04 | Neffi | foxlit: is there any way to fade desaturation? Eg, have the icons not being hovered-over quickly fade to black-and-white |
| 22:02.12 | foxlit | no. |
| 22:02.21 | Neffi | ack |
| 22:02.28 | Semlar | um pretty sure you could |
| 22:02.38 | Semlar | SetVertexColor? |
| 22:02.44 | foxlit | that's not desaturation. |
| 22:02.50 | Semlar | you can drain the color out of a texture |
| 22:02.51 | Neffi | that would fade it out to black |
| 22:02.59 | Semlar | really? |
| 22:03.07 | Neffi | SetVertexColor(0,0,0) I believe produces a black texture |
| 22:03.16 | Semlar | are you sure about that |
| 22:03.17 | Neffi | No way to actually desaturate with it |
| 22:03.29 | Neffi | well, you can try it. maybe I'm wrong. this is why I asked foxlit, because I want sure |
| 22:03.39 | foxlit | Neffi is right. |
| 22:04.00 | Mr_Rabies | man this is yet another thing i wish i had the technical skill to pull off |
| 22:04.06 | Neffi | There are times when I wish we had to do all our rendering/drawing manually |
| 22:04.17 | Neffi | Because then we would have the toolset to do things like this |
| 22:04.35 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: I don't see any way to do that, no |
| 22:04.43 | Mr_Rabies | i really want to see a game (or wow addon) that employs animation smear techniques for ui animations |
| 22:04.47 | Gethe | two textures. one desat, other not; alpha fade the saturated one |
| 22:05.01 | Mr_Rabies | you'd have to do it by hand for the most part, probably |
| 22:05.18 | Neffi | Gethe: I was gonna say that wouldn't look right, but actually it should work |
| 22:05.46 | foxlit | I don't think it would look right either. Apparent brightness of things would change awkwardly. |
| 22:05.48 | Neffi | no opacity leak-through because the desat texture behind is still fully opaque |
| 22:06.08 | Neffi | yeah that will probably be an issue |
| 22:06.37 | foxlit | anyway, I don't intend to change how the currently-selected slice feedback works compared to orange. |
| 22:07.49 | foxlit | The selected slice is slightly bigger; pointer will turn that way eventually. The way this interaction works is that you've either got enough time to stare at pretty graphics to figure out what you're selecting, or you should already know where your cursor is and what's in the ring, in which case, the entire animation is a wash -- it's possible to trigger things faster than the zoom-in completes. |
| 22:09.50 | foxlit | should fix frame levels, though; the selected icon should be above the folding ones. |
| 22:11.02 | foxlit | (and then probably scale-down selected icon instead of reducing opacity; it'd give you a few more frames of a legible icon) |
| 22:18.36 | Neffi | woah. Karliah (from Skyrim) may be the grand-daughter of Talos |
| 22:21.03 | Dashkal | Source? |
| 22:21.17 | Neffi | It's speculation at best, but it's a possibility. Gimme a sec |
| 22:22.06 | Neffi | Dashkal: see the OP's linked image http://www.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/2gpeyi/apparently_they_didnt_think_it_was_big_enough_of/ |
| 22:22.21 | Neffi | There are also some good comments in there from people familiar with the lore |
| 22:22.57 | Dashkal | ooo, interesting |
| 22:23.43 | Neffi | Being Dunmeri, their lifespans are long. Because this whole thing stretches an era |
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| 22:24.40 | Neffi | But if the laws were respected, the current emporer is an illegal ursurper and Karliah is the only one with the right to sit the thrown. |
| 22:26.40 | Dashkal | With a few holes they'd have to fill in the right way. Seeing debate there on weather she's actually /that/ child of Barenziah or not. |
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| 22:33.25 | Neffi | The biggest consistency in the Elder Scrolls universe is that any canonical material not directly experienced by the player (in-game books and dialogue) is squarely fallible, being the product of people in the universe |
| 22:33.31 | Neffi | So you never know for certain |
| 22:33.58 | Neffi | Hell, we don't know 100% that Talos achieved divinity |
| 22:35.16 | Dashkal | Indeed |
| 22:35.24 | Neffi | And it might've been considered canon that "Alduin" was really a bastardization of "Akatosh", if not for us directly meeting him in Skyrim |
| 22:35.45 | Neffi | There are a few historians in the game that believe the nords worshipped Akatosh and just got his name wrong ;) |
| 22:37.32 | Neffi | I really love how rich the lore is when you dig down, and how really subtlely it's presented in the game. You can be forgiven for thinking the lore is nothing special, until you read some books, and notive some clues laying around |
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| 22:42.33 | Mr_Rabies | are there any good challenge mode guides, i'm having a heck of a time finding much good info on them :| |
| 22:57.03 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/3tmQl3V.jpg aww, I want a cat snake |
| 23:05.45 | Cairenn | aka ferret |
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| 23:53.44 | kd3 | interesting watching the independence referendum tallies come in |
