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| 00:00.48 | infamousX | I still think it should have like a 5% increase in healing compared to healing wave regardless of unit time, in order to justify the double mana cost. |
| 00:01.08 | Neffi | I don't think it's necessary. That's just a trivial detail |
| 00:01.09 | Semlar | you can get the heal off faster |
| 00:01.24 | Neffi | you cast it because it's quick, therefore much better for spike damage or times of increases sustained damage |
| 00:01.48 | infamousX | but what are the cast times? as it stands now you could just cast riptide and healing wave is 0.2 sec slower than healing surge |
| 00:01.59 | Neffi | If they increased the damage 5%, then to tune it to their desired power would mean lengthening the cast time to compensate, which makes it slightly weaker for a burst heal |
| 00:02.08 | Semlar | healing surge is 1.5s and healing wave is 2.5 |
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| 00:02.21 | Neffi | s/damage 5%/healing 5%/ |
| 00:02.22 | Semlar | or something, i'm guessing those are the base values |
| 00:02.35 | Semlar | this character has haste |
| 00:02.41 | Neffi | I think it's a fine design |
| 00:02.49 | Neffi | but I'm no healer! |
| 00:02.50 | infamousX | and what about with tidal waves? |
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| 00:03.01 | infamousX | or is that gone? |
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| 00:03.09 | Neffi | check wowhead's WoD page for shaman |
| 00:03.16 | Neffi | I don't know their details intimately |
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| 00:03.36 | infamousX | Sem is playing on a sham in WoD beta right now, which is why I'm asking (: |
| 00:03.41 | Neffi | But their goal is to remove redundancy, so I'm guessing every spell that exists, is there to be used and there's a good reason you'd want to use it |
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| 00:04.00 | Semlar | i only made a shaman to compare the healing to the tooltip |
| 00:04.13 | Neffi | Semlar plays a hunter named Idiealot |
| 00:04.21 | Neffi | no wait that's not right |
| 00:04.31 | Semlar | i can tell you the tooltip's number is accurate, but the formula on wowhead is not the whole story |
| 00:05.08 | Neffi | yeah, you can never assume it's the whole story. even if they integrated passives and mastery into the tooltip (which might be nontrivial for certain mastery mechanics), you still need to account for (de)buffs |
| 00:05.18 | Neffi | look at the tooltip as being the base formula |
| 00:05.35 | Neffi | Speaking of which, has anybody considered reviving DrDamage? |
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| 00:05.45 | Semlar | the number on the tooltip in game is exactly the amount of healing it does |
| 00:06.26 | Semlar | did dr damage do anything other than try and tell you how much a spell would hit for? |
| 00:06.33 | Semlar | since the tooltips were unreliable |
| 00:06.36 | Neffi | it told you a shitload of really great info |
| 00:07.13 | infamousX | http://www.wowace.com/addons/dr-damage/images/3-drdamage-tooltip-all-enabled/ |
| 00:07.25 | Neffi | Coefficient, real hit, real crit, real crit chance, total amount it's likely to hit for given hit/crit chance, casts per second (also accounting for MP5/regen), casts in a given unit time, real power cost... and just about every other tidbit you could want about a spell/ability |
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| 00:07.54 | Semlar | sounds like a lot of effort |
| 00:08.01 | Neffi | It's a wonderful addon, but will need a big rework for 6.0 |
| 00:08.20 | Semlar | considering i don't think it even works on live |
| 00:08.22 | Neffi | Not really all that much work. It all comes down to storing formulas in a table |
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| 00:09.14 | Neffi | I believe it was written back when the tooltip did not reflect any useful value (only the base, didn't account for current spell/attackpower, etc) |
| 00:09.38 | infamousX | so the tooltip amount in WoD accounts for buffs, debuffs, etc? |
| 00:09.47 | Neffi | it accounts for current values |
| 00:09.59 | Neffi | so if you apply a spellpower buff, your spellpower increases, theirfore the tooltip is accurate |
| 00:10.09 | infamousX | awesome. that's a great change! |
| 00:10.12 | Neffi | but it cannot account for debuffs on enemies, obviously |
| 00:10.20 | Neffi | or buffs which you should have, but currently do not |
| 00:10.29 | infamousX | right |
| 00:10.34 | Neffi | it should function like that on live, infamousX, currently |
| 00:11.09 | Neffi | it also probably does not account for mastery, because that's kind of complicated usually |
| 00:11.37 | infamousX | I've found discrepancies from tooltips in-game, especially dots on my aff lock |
| 00:12.04 | Neffi | hopefully they disappear in 6.0. but it might just be because of passives/debuffs/etc that are not correctly accounted for, because they're more complicated |
| 00:12.56 | infamousX | it's likely that I've found such inaccuracies because snapshotting is currently in live, while in WoD, damage is "current" |
| 00:15.03 | Semlar | dammit neffi |
| 00:15.41 | Neffi | it was all my fault |
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| 00:26.24 | Semlar | every time i log onto my hunter.. "you don't meet the requirements for that quest" |
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| 01:26.51 | Mr_Rabies | i don't get why flex raids are still capping at 13 |
| 01:26.55 | Mr_Rabies | are people really that dumb :( |
| 01:26.58 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:27.13 | kd3 | you had to ask? |
| 01:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | also many are asking for 540+ |
| 01:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | ...for a raid that drops 540 gear |
| 01:29.31 | Dagmar | Cuz they're chicken |
| 01:30.58 | Mr_Rabies | and i saw one that was 550+ |
| 01:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | if your gear is 550+, why are you running flex anymore |
| 01:31.27 | infamousX | garrosh, likely |
| 01:31.38 | Mr_Rabies | if you're 550+ you can kill normal garrosh fairly easily |
| 01:33.13 | infamousX | I'm 550 from 2 weeks of work between LFR and oQ flex / normal, mostly flex. Normal groups ask for 560+ with cape often |
| 01:33.31 | infamousX | I'm only doing it for heirlooms |
| 01:34.16 | Mr_Rabies | LFR queue is insane right now |
| 01:34.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's over an hour per wing |
| 01:34.21 | Mr_Rabies | no thanks |
| 01:34.26 | Mr_Rabies | not for lfr |
| 01:34.26 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:34.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna be even worse in WoD |
| 01:35.07 | infamousX | for dps maybe |
| 01:36.57 | Mr_Rabies | since no one's gonna run lfr once they outgear it, it's gonna be several hours for a queue unless they make like, tank bots for it |
| 01:37.33 | infamousX | legendary questline won't run through lfr? |
| 01:38.52 | Mr_Rabies | it might, but if it's like the current one there's no benefit to running it in lfr and another difficulty |
| 01:38.59 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully there won't be |
| 01:40.51 | infamousX | right but the majority of people won't be doing normal / heroic. most will still be doing lfr even with the flex-like system surrounding normal and heroic |
| 01:41.11 | znf | How are these things called? When you have something like; $var=bar; and you have something like $foo$var is interpreted as $foobar ? |
| 01:42.38 | Semlar | variable variables |
| 01:43.12 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know how you couldn't at least be doing normals on your main by now |
| 01:43.14 | Semlar | dynamic variable names |
| 01:43.19 | Mr_Rabies | unless you started, like, last month |
| 01:43.25 | Mr_Rabies | or getting into a flex is really this hard |
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| 01:45.32 | Dagmar | Variable substitution, or possibly indirection is the word you're looking for |
| 01:45.45 | infamousX | I PvP 99.99999% of the time. Just did PvE to prove to my friend that it's not hard to gear, nor does it take a ton of time / effort with oQueue. |
| 01:45.49 | Semlar | znf: in php you use multiple dollar signs when you want to use a variable in a variable name |
| 01:45.57 | znf | I know in PHP :P |
| 01:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | holla holla get dollas |
| 01:46.06 | Semlar | well it's one of the only languages i know you can even do it in |
| 01:46.09 | Semlar | because it's a terrible idea |
| 01:46.16 | Dagmar | Semlar++ |
| 01:46.17 | znf | I'm doing something else, and I can't figure out if it actually supports those |
| 01:46.20 | Simca_ | PHP is terrifying |
| 01:46.29 | znf | well, bash does it, afaik? :P |
| 01:46.38 | infamousX | lua is terrifying... |
| 01:46.41 | Dagmar | Usually when you're doing it it's because the language already fell short elsewhere |
| 01:46.43 | infamousX | x( |
| 01:46.48 | Dagmar | Yes, bash does have indirection |
| 01:47.31 | znf | ok, so this piece of crap doesn't have it |
| 01:47.45 | znf | switches and if-then-else, then! |
| 01:48.32 | Simca_ | of course, so does Batch and PowerShell; anything an OS uses as a primary scripting language will have it |
| 01:50.36 | Mr_Rabies | so i guess i've hit my own personal version of the TBC loot gap |
| 01:50.51 | Mr_Rabies | or progression gap |
| 01:50.53 | Mr_Rabies | rather |
| 01:51.53 | Mr_Rabies | wanna gear an alt for my guild's occasional alt runs but can't get past 520 or so since no one fills flex runs properly |
| 01:52.35 | Semlar | get your guild to carry you |
| 01:53.16 | Mr_Rabies | we really only do alt runs on days where we can't fill our heroic raid |
| 01:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | and rarely then even |
| 01:53.28 | Mr_Rabies | usually we just don't run anything |
| 01:54.11 | Mr_Rabies | we've got 10 people on on a good night, with maybe 4-5 of those raiders on non-raid nights, and on raid nights we get up to like 15, with about 8 raiders |
| 01:54.27 | Mr_Rabies | right now we have 8 online |
| 01:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | only 2 raiders online |
| 01:55.14 | Mr_Rabies | realm's pretty much dead :( |
| 01:55.47 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully merges happen like crazy after WoD launches |
| 01:55.52 | Mr_Rabies | because this is frustrating as all heck |
| 01:56.18 | Mr_Rabies | we're gonna have to stop raiding when 6.0 hits because we can't fill a 10 man heroic every week nowadays, much less a 20 man mythic |
| 01:56.56 | Semlar | sounds like you should be leveling that alt on another server |
| 01:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | i've been playing my character for 10 years, i'm not gonna abandon it now |
| 01:59.45 | Mr_Rabies | (or pay to transfer) |
| 02:00.32 | Mr_Rabies | because 1) i'd be transfering like 7-8 characters, 2) i don't like the idea of them charging for transfers in the first place |
| 02:01.21 | Semlar | so you'd rather stay on a server that you can't actually play on than level an alt somewhere else |
| 02:01.40 | Mr_Rabies | for now, yeah |
| 02:01.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'll probably quit before too long if it doesn't get better |
| 02:02.13 | Mr_Rabies | this is happening by the hundreds daily, and blizzard needs to get it fixed asap |
| 02:03.03 | Mr_Rabies | once they've lost someone to something like that, they probably won't be back |
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| 02:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | man, the latest forum outrage to be mad over the new druid travel form changes confuses me |
| 02:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | i don't understand why people don't like the current implementation, my guess is they haven't actually tried it |
| 02:16.55 | kd3 | my first reaction was going to be "new?", but then the ptr's only been up for a week |
| 02:17.10 | fewyn | i just don't really understand why they are changing ti |
| 02:17.11 | fewyn | tbqh |
| 02:20.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's really nice |
| 02:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | go from water, then jump, suddenly flight form |
| 02:20.39 | Mr_Rabies | go back into water, aquatic form |
| 02:20.46 | Mr_Rabies | can't fly, now you're in travel form |
| 02:20.57 | Mr_Rabies | it's awesome |
| 02:22.08 | Mr_Rabies | really the best way to fix it is to split minor glyphs into "ones that alter gameplay" and "ones that don't" |
| 02:22.12 | Mr_Rabies | and don't limit the ones that don't |
| 02:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | and if possible if it's a graphical change AND a gameplay change, it should be split into two glyphs |
| 02:23.05 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really ever use travel form if i can fly, personally |
| 02:23.53 | infamousX | anyone here use Reflux? |
| 02:24.07 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: travel form being the actual lite-cat form? |
| 02:24.22 | Semlar | reindeer form |
| 02:24.33 | kullervo | well if you're into that, sure |
| 02:28.15 | infamousX | how do I make an addon (say, qMinimap) store saved variables? added the line in .toc but, as a noob, not sure what else I need to do. |
| 02:29.29 | infamousX | reflux won't allow me to save to a profile unless the addon supports saved variables. Or so I think. |
| 02:32.04 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
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| 02:33.33 | znf | well, I managed to find how to do it in this thingie |
| 02:33.41 | znf | dynamic variables here I come |
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| 03:15.01 | infamousX | so there are two way to concatenate in lua right? |
| 03:17.18 | infamousX | nvm - got confused, sorry! |
| 03:17.24 | infamousX | two dots it is. |
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| 03:48.36 | infamousX | this coding shit is a lot harder than I anticipated it to be... x( |
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| 04:15.22 | Thunder_Child | It gets easier....in general. |
| 04:36.39 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: got any of them smash codes |
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| 04:40.47 | infamousX | I hope it gets easier cause I'm lost so far.. it's a lot to take in at once |
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| 05:24.09 | Neffi | infamousX: what material are you consulting to learn? |
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| 05:25.08 | Neffi | You should take a look at http://lua.org/pil if you haven't. 1st edition is available for free and is mostly relevant still (at the bottom). 2nd edition is for the version of Lua WoW uses. |
| 05:28.52 | infamousX | I've been using WoW Programming |
| 05:29.21 | infamousX | It's reallllly long and I'm only on chapter 3 |
| 05:30.30 | infamousX | Neffi, how did you learn? |
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| 05:31.51 | Neffi | Mostly by picking small existing addons apart at first, then using the book I linked along with the reference manual to supplement that |
| 05:32.18 | Neffi | But I had a reasonably good background with computers beforehand |
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| 05:33.58 | infamousX | I know a lot of HTML and a bit of CSS.. but lua is really hard compared. |
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| 05:34.13 | Neffi | I wasn't a programmer before I starting messing with WoW addons though |
| 05:34.30 | smcn | word |
| 05:34.34 | Neffi | I wouldn't say Lua is hard. It's easy. Programming is hard. The logic is strange compared to anything you encounter elsewhere |
| 05:34.39 | smcn | kind of the same here |
| 05:34.58 | Neffi | But as you get into it, key components of that logic will click, and from there everything starts to make a lot of sense |
| 05:35.29 | smcn | btw i've apparently hanging out on a split server for 5 and a half hours that's what i get for not showing leave/quits |
| 05:35.47 | Neffi | Lua is an excellent first language to do the learning in, especially with WoW addons, because as a player you have motivation to learn, and a way to actually see your results turn into something real |
| 05:35.54 | infamousX | Some things are already coming together. Not much, but at least I'm getting somewhere. |
| 05:36.05 | Neffi | smcn: lol |
| 05:36.55 | smcn | the first addon i ever made was the most complicated |
| 05:37.00 | Neffi | I was considering writing a tiny online book as an introduction to programming for people that aren't very familiar with the underlying concepts, using Lua as the language to approach it |
| 05:37.03 | infamousX | Still don't understand concatenation. I get what it's used for but using it is a different story |
| 05:38.11 | Neffi | Can you give me an example of what you're trying to do with it? |
| 05:39.07 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 05:41.37 | Simca_ | <smcn> the first addon i ever made was the most complicated |
| 05:41.43 | Simca_ | same, the most complicated and the least popular |
| 05:41.51 | Simca_ | the simplest addon i made is the most popular |
| 05:42.02 | Simca_ | it's funny how that works |
| 05:42.10 | Fisker | he tail Simca |
| 05:42.13 | Fisker | heyø |
| 05:42.15 | Fisker | hy |
| 05:42.15 | Fisker | hey |
| 05:42.34 | Simca_ | hey Fisker you spell like Tziva |
| 05:42.44 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:42.58 | Fisker | My feelings have been hurt |
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| 05:44.05 | infamousX | Neffi: I was just reading through http://wowpedia.org/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions and I got confused.. haha |
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| 05:57.58 | Simca | saved variables were very confusing to me at first too |
| 05:59.25 | Fisker | you are very confusing to me Simca |
| 05:59.33 | Fisker | But now I'm going away :( |
| 06:07.24 | Simca | if you're making an addon that users can manually change settings for, this is a good example of how to implement 'default values' for a saved variable table without overriding the existing ones: http://www.curseforge.com/paste/10623/ |
| 06:10.19 | Simca | the event is set up to fire after ADDON_LOADED, so you know that the saved variables will be fully loaded, and "if not SimcaData[x] then" line prevents it from changing values that already exist (and therefore could be user-changed). |
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| 06:29.28 | infamousX | Simca I'll save that link for when I can actually understand what's happening :D |
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| 06:54.30 | Shirik | "Ultimately, what another person wears on an airplane is none of your goddamn bee's wax, unless, of course, the clothing physically enters your space or the soul in question is wearing a t-shirt advertising the Nazi party or â I dunno â a Dave Matthews Band tour or something equally offensive." |
| 06:54.40 | Shirik | when did the Dave Matthews Band become bad :( |
| 06:54.42 | Shirik | I like them |
| 06:59.58 | Fisker | Hey hey Shirik |
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| 07:03.24 | Shirik | hey hey Fisker |
| 07:08.49 | karl_w_w | yeah that was me Sharparam |
| 07:11.04 | Fisker | One day you will go to Blizzcon Shirik |
| 07:11.06 | karl_w_w | 8 hours til hearthstone jeoparino #2! |
| 07:14.54 | Shirik | lol IT |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik | you so funny |
| 07:14.59 | Shirik | "Your Department has been chosen to be upgraded to Lync 2013. A Task Sequence has been push to your system and will automatically remove Lync 2010 and install Lync 2013." |
| 07:15.14 | Shirik | What if I told you.... I already uninstalled Lync 2010 and installed 2013 on my own? |
| 07:15.59 | karl_w_w | you did WHAT? |
| 07:16.08 | karl_w_w | don't you know we have PROCEDURES?! |
| 07:17.26 | Fisker | please Shirik |
| 07:17.30 | Fisker | You wouldn't be allowed that |
| 07:17.41 | Fisker | Don't you like work for boeing? |
| 07:18.00 | Fisker | "Hey lets be a company that should be pretty concerned with security and not at all care about it" |
| 07:18.04 | Shirik | it turns out our IT department has cost our department enough money that they were told to give us all admin rights |
| 07:18.12 | Fisker | lol |
| 07:18.23 | Shirik | my favorite was the time that they confiscated and wiped someone's computer because it had a "virus" |
| 07:18.33 | Fisker | Yeah? |
| 07:18.39 | Shirik | it turns out that the virus was actually a program we were writing which was sending out some multicast traffic they didn't expect |
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| 07:18.53 | Fisker | lol |
| 07:18.57 | Fisker | Well at least they were monitoring! |
| 07:19.22 | Shirik | but they could have at least asked |
| 07:19.26 | Shirik | instead of "this is ours now" |
| 07:19.40 | Fisker | Yeah just being a dick |
| 07:19.40 | Fisker | :P |
| 07:20.10 | Fisker | The amount of trouble I've had with non-admin rights |
| 07:20.10 | Fisker | gah |
| 07:20.24 | Shirik | tbh I don't think people should need it |
| 07:20.33 | Shirik | most of the problems come from stupid programs expecting everyone to have admin rights |
| 07:20.35 | Fisker | They shouldn't |
| 07:20.51 | Fisker | Problem is most software is still written assuming they obviously have it |
| 07:20.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:21.15 | Shirik | like how everyone was still writing data to program files when vista came out |
| 07:21.24 | Shirik | even though microsoft had been telling people not to do that for 10 years |
| 07:22.12 | Fisker | Oh that reminds me |
| 07:22.21 | Fisker | We were having the most annoying trouble with a piece of software |
| 07:22.26 | Fisker | Which didn't work for that exact reason |
| 07:22.51 | Fisker | And because it wasn't a priority I just left it kind of in the background while working on other stuff |
| 07:23.00 | Fisker | then obviously they start rolling it out without my knowledge |
| 07:23.47 | Fisker | And they had this arrogant how-to |
| 07:23.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:24.14 | Fisker | Which like just basically assumed we were children trying to install the damn thing |
| 07:24.48 | Fisker | I was thinking I would just send it back and replace it with a similarly arrogant "how-to" on actually following best practices |
| 07:26.02 | Fisker | oh well at least it stopped being my problem |
| 07:26.20 | Shirik | I don't understand why IT is always the worst |
| 07:26.26 | Shirik | I know tons of people in IT that are brilliant |
| 07:26.35 | Shirik | but somehow the collective entity is always terrible |
| 07:27.17 | Fisker | In my case we had a looooot of dumbasses |
| 07:27.25 | Fisker | And management was dumb as well |
| 07:27.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's like the software guys at many big companies with free*, public-facing products like google |
| 07:27.45 | Mr_Rabies | gotta break shit occasionally so you can be seen fixing it by the people that sign your checks |
| 07:28.03 | Mr_Rabies | or they'll assume you're not doing anything |
| 07:28.06 | Fisker | Like everyone besides the guy I replaced and another guy was like seriously dumb |
| 07:28.40 | Fisker | Our lead network guy still uses telnet to authenticate to his routers with his 4-6 character passwords usually a variant of the default one |
| 07:29.03 | Fisker | If he has to do something and you expect him to do it right away he's like uhm |
| 07:29.09 | Fisker | And I have to go over there and guide him |
| 07:29.21 | Fisker | if not it just takes like a week or more and he probably paid someone to do it |
| 07:29.53 | Fisker | So basically every problem had one solution which was to ask me |
| 07:30.35 | Fisker | and when something crashed our boss was more concerned by the fact he could technically excuse it |
| 07:30.55 | Fisker | Lets not fix it because we could in theory not have discovered the problem |
| 07:31.37 | Fisker | And then you have idiots buying stuff we don't need or in a non-sensical way |
| 07:31.57 | Fisker | They bought someone to write a script that would parse some details from one system and publish it to a second one |
| 07:32.31 | Fisker | But they didn't need it at the time |
| 07:32.36 | Fisker | so like a year after they dust it off |
| 07:32.38 | Fisker | Doesn't work |
| 07:32.45 | Shirik | sounds about right |
| 07:32.49 | Fisker | So they're like "oh my god they didn't do their job" |
| 07:32.52 | Fisker | and they ask me if I can fix it |
| 07:32.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:33.27 | Shirik | I assume the inputs just changed |
| 07:33.33 | Fisker | not even |
| 07:33.40 | Fisker | It was pulling the data through SOAP |
| 07:34.07 | Fisker | And I made a test request and got the same value regardless what request I made |
| 07:34.28 | Fisker | So turns out the system didn't even support pulling the data we paid another company to write a script for |
| 07:34.44 | Fisker | Well it was in the documentation |
| 07:34.47 | Shirik | loool |
| 07:34.59 | Fisker | but it returned the same invalid data regardless of the request |
| 07:35.10 | Fisker | and they said it was coming in the future |
| 07:35.25 | Mr_Rabies | have you tried turning it off and on again, fisker |
| 07:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | jiggling the handle? |
| 07:35.46 | Fisker | Only when the VM host runs full |
| 07:36.13 | Fisker | and it can't write to disk because the disksize of the VM guest is larger than the free space available |
| 07:38.30 | sb | oh, fisker WoTing |
| 07:39.01 | Fisker | woting? |
| 07:39.31 | sb | wall of text ;) |
| 07:40.14 | Fisker | please |
| 07:52.31 | nevcairiel | sb: its called rambling |
| 07:53.14 | Fisker | But it makes perfect sense |
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| 08:07.05 | p3lim^ | http://xkcd.com/1421/ |
| 08:11.12 | Neffi | o.o |
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| 09:17.39 | karl_w_w | http://xkcd.com/1413/ <- what the hell are supermax and butterfly ballots, and were people seriously not already familiar with the words tsunami and viral? |
| 10:09.05 | Simca | supermax - super maximum-security prisons |
| 10:10.01 | nevcairiel | butterfly ballot is a controversial voting thing in the US |
| 10:10.40 | Simca | butterfly ballot - a type of flawed ballot in the U.S. that resulted in a recount in the 2000 general election in the state of Florida, resulting in the Supreme Court eventually having to declare the victor |
| 10:11.26 | Simca | not sure why supermax is pointed around 1998 but that's why butterfly ballot is pointed at 2000 |
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| 11:31.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.existor.com/ |
| 11:31.57 | karl_w_w | i dont understand |
| 11:34.54 | karl_w_w | I think it takes things other people has said and tries to apply them to whatever you say |
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| 11:43.50 | karl_w_w | just dont ask it what its name is |
| 11:45.26 | Neffi | lol |
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| 12:18.47 | mitch0 | lol |
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| 12:30.58 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour, mes petits choux! |
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| 12:34.02 | Fisker | cabbages Lopeppeppy |
| 12:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | Yaay! |
| 12:35.01 | Fisker | :) |
| 12:35.56 | Fisker | Just in time to brighten the day |
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| 13:00.13 | Lopeppeppy | Cabbages always brighten my day. |
| 13:00.34 | Fisker | Good |
| 13:02.49 | karl_w_w | 2 hours to jeoparino Fisker, are you hyped? |
| 13:03.09 | Fisker | No |
| 13:03.56 | karl_w_w | you should be |
| 13:04.35 | Fisker | I can't |
| 13:05.41 | karl_w_w | you have to be, how else will you survive! |
| 13:07.06 | Lopeppeppy | With cabbages. |
| 13:10.25 | Fisker | Who said anything about surviving? |
| 13:12.51 | Lopeppeppy | Um. Me. No deathing while the sun is up. |
| 13:13.04 | Fisker | Oh |
| 13:25.51 | Alram | https://mojang.com/2014/09/yes-were-being-bought-by-microsoft/ <-- who said it wasnt going to happen again |
| 13:27.35 | Fisker | Me me me |
| 13:28.41 | Workfoz | clearly fake! :D |
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| 13:35.44 | karl_w_w | people still care about minecraft? |
| 13:35.58 | Workfoz | more people than ever |
| 13:36.19 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: I was just about buying it for my kid. now I'm not sure... (wonder about the longevity of the linux client) |
| 13:36.44 | nevcairiel | isnt it java |
| 13:36.57 | mitch0 | mostly |
| 13:37.33 | mitch0 | and it could be c# in a couple of months ;) |
| 13:38.48 | Alram | they wont rewrite it |
| 13:39.02 | Alram | i dont think microsoft will fuck with it too much initially |
| 13:39.07 | Alram | think oculus/facebook |
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| 13:46.48 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || WoD beta access! WoWI: http://bit.ly/1smb4qM or Curse: http://goo.gl/eVsdYQ || BC UI Community Dinner Sign Up: http://bit.ly/1pqdONd |
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| 14:35.10 | zenzelezz | well there's an amusing name+title combination... "Literature of the Nightfall" |
| 14:37.13 | nevcairiel | thats a weird name no matter the title |
| 14:44.27 | karl_w_w | jeoparino about to start, if you're a hearthstoney person it should be fun http://www.twitch.tv/amazhs |
| 14:44.53 | karl_w_w | Fisker is going to watch, so that should tell you how good it is |
| 14:45.14 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
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| 14:56.06 | mikma | is it possible to get talents of party members without inspecting them? |
| 15:08.09 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 15:09.41 | Semlar | it would be nice if their role were automatically set based on their spec |
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| 15:10.13 | mikma | well it would be even nicer if their SPEC would be based on their role... |
| 15:10.35 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 15:10.36 | mikma | it has happened quite alot that "dps" class has been tanking in the instances i've been in as a tank |
| 15:11.01 | mikma | for some reason they queue as dps and still they tank |
| 15:16.09 | Fisker | flying hug tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:20.05 | Semlar | if i could queue as a tank on my hunter i would |
| 15:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh la la, Fisker. Practicing your flying skills so early? |
| 15:28.52 | Fisker | Maybe |
| 15:29.06 | Fisker | Are you saying I should practice them later? |
| 15:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it's a bit early for your November flight, but practice all you like. |
| 15:32.12 | Fisker | Oh |
| 15:32.34 | Fisker | But that's not me who will be doing the actual flying |
| 15:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | True, you're just sitting. |
| 15:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | wonders if alestane survived his journey yesterday. |
| 15:34.52 | Fisker | Native |
| 15:34.57 | Fisker | Err |
| 15:34.59 | Fisker | Maybe |
| 15:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | I think he must have, I saw no blazing fireballs in the distance. |
| 15:38.54 | Fisker | good |
| 15:38.57 | Fisker | where did he fly? |
| 15:43.19 | Constie | I can understand queueing as a tank and then DPSing, but... |
| 15:44.22 | Semlar | i can easily solo heroics as a dps soo |
| 15:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | He didn't, he came by to see me yesterday. |
| 16:03.05 | foxlit | suppose I wanted to load all Blizzard_ LoD addons. Do I need a hardcoded list? |
| 16:04.11 | Shirik | among the stupider wildfire causes this year: someone doing target practice |
| 16:05.40 | Lopeppeppy | Is there a smarter cause, Shirik? |
| 16:05.55 | Fisker | Then why fireballs Lopeppeppy ? |
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| 16:07.08 | Fisker | goes to the new york area |
| 16:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | Cars make fireballs too, Fisker. |
| 16:07.27 | Fisker | I thought fireballs flew |
| 16:08.11 | Fisker | Guess I won't viist Lopeppeppy for fear of fireballs |
| 16:08.14 | Lopeppeppy | http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/03/article-2022052-0D47B42500000578-790_634x419.jpg |
| 16:08.14 | TC-Work | No, they balistics. |
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| 16:09.25 | Fisker | Looks bad to me Lopeppeppy |
| 16:11.30 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy makes a hard sell on visiting her |
| 16:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | I bake cookies! And zucchini bread. |
| 16:14.10 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 16:14.20 | Fisker | But I'd rather not leave as a fireball |
| 16:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | That can be arranged. |
| 16:17.15 | Fisker | Now I'm wondering if we're arranging leaving as a fireball or not leaving as one |
| 16:21.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm flexible. |
| 16:22.13 | Fisker | That's nice, not sure how that pertains to us though |
| 16:22.48 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 16:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | I also have a fire extinguisher in every room. |
| 16:23.50 | Fisker | For your house or are you just very hot? |
| 16:23.54 | Fisker | smooooooooth |
| 16:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | I might have a fever. |
| 16:25.40 | Fisker | That's no good |
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| 16:27.26 | Lopeppeppy | There's a nasty cold going around on campus. Surprise, about 3 weeks of students on campus, and we get our first plague. |
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| 16:28.57 | Fisker | darn :( |
| 16:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | It's the cycle of biology on a college campus, Fisker. Happens after every break. |
| 16:31.52 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 16:31.58 | Fisker | I used to work on a school myself |
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| 16:52.05 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: zomg omg omg omg!! |
| 16:52.21 | Humbedooh | I'd glomp you but you're Swedish now :( |
| 16:52.49 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck are exit row seats priority seating, i want an exit row seat for my flights to blizzcon |
| 16:53.10 | nevcairiel | because you have more leg room and as such they can charge you extra obviously |
| 16:53.33 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 16:53.40 | Humbedooh | and you can't be mentally ill |
| 16:53.52 | Humbedooh | so obv you'll have to pay extra, to make them look the other way |
| 16:53.58 | TC-Work | That would cut out 99% of the people flying. |
| 16:54.08 | Humbedooh | true, true |
| 16:54.25 | Humbedooh | I got nothing but exit rows last time I went to/from the US |
| 16:54.41 | Humbedooh | apparently they did not know I'm a ravin' loonie |
| 16:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | I don't rave, but I do like a nice 80's dance night. |
| 16:58.42 | Fisker | with glowsticks |
| 16:59.47 | TC-Work | That's making me want to watch the Golden Girls again. |
| 16:59.52 | VIad | hehe, opening a news article and selecting to open in browser, simply opens it in the battle.net launcher :p |
| 17:04.00 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/15910697/release-the-names-character-name-reclamation-coming-9-15-2014 |
| 17:04.03 | fewyn | took them long enough |
| 17:05.30 | Lopeppeppy | Sad. Peppy is going to be gone. :( |
| 17:05.43 | foxlit | november 13th, 2008? |
| 17:06.15 | Fisker | :< Lopeppeppy |
| 17:06.20 | Fisker | Not been ingame since 2008? |
| 17:18.23 | Lopeppeppy | I think 2009. I'm not sure, and my authenticator is long since lost. |
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| 17:28.52 | Arrowmaster | booked my flight for blizzcon $436.20 |
| 17:29.06 | Arrowmaster | but i wont have to pay for my checked bag |
| 17:32.03 | karl_w_w | that's a thing, you have to pay for luggage seperately? |
| 17:33.20 | Arrowmaster | normally yes on the cheapest tickets |
| 17:33.36 | Arrowmaster | for domestic flights |
| 17:33.53 | Dagmar | ...and if you don't pay extra for luggage, then you're a supicious traveller and will get a free rectal exam |
| 17:34.16 | karl_w_w | looking forward to that Arrowmaster? :P |
| 17:34.19 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if they will let me upgrade to exit row seats if they are still available without having to pay the extra fee |
| 17:34.52 | Arrowmaster | i get one free bag with mine and group 1 boarding since i paid extra for mine |
| 17:35.17 | Arrowmaster | i basically already paid the $50 for one bag up front |
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| 17:36.31 | Dagmar | Just remember, you don't let anyone stick anything in you without buying you dinner first. |
| 17:38.01 | Arrowmaster | red |
| 17:39.55 | Arrowmaster | hmm they list "151 Proof Rum" under banned flammables |
| 17:40.37 | Arrowmaster | i hope my 103 proof scotch is allowed |
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| 18:13.33 | EthanCentaurai | ~poke foxlit |
| 18:13.33 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind foxlit, pokes foxlit repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:13.49 | foxlit | hm? |
| 18:14.01 | EthanCentaurai | ai neds halp wif tainte |
| 18:14.10 | EthanCentaurai | nevcairiel tells me you're clever |
| 18:14.15 | Ressy | Thats not a bad price Arrowmaster.. 580 from Toronto.. :( |
| 18:14.29 | nevcairiel | EthanCentaurai: actually it was Gnarfoz who claimed that |
| 18:14.31 | nevcairiel | i would never! |
| 18:14.45 | EthanCentaurai | s/nevcairiel/gnarfoz/ |
| 18:15.02 | EthanCentaurai | you're so nice, nev :P |
| 18:15.15 | nevcairiel | noone takes me seriously anyway |
| 18:15.19 | foxlit | asktoask generally applies; just describe your problem and nev can fix it :) |
| 18:15.42 | nevcairiel | my friendly taint warning that i built into my addon already helped him to actually discover it! |
| 18:16.11 | EthanCentaurai | long story short, I'm working on a quest log addon and it's tainting the objectives frame and I'm not sure why :/ |
| 18:16.33 | EthanCentaurai | I sent a taint log to the townlong yak |
| 18:16.35 | nevcairiel | upload the zip to globe |
| 18:16.45 | nevcairiel | lets see what weird stuff it accesses! |
| 18:17.19 | nevcairiel | (ie. put addon zip onto http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/ via drag n drop) |
| 18:18.05 | EthanCentaurai | I blame Gnarfoz |
| 18:18.27 | foxlit | and for good measure upload the taint log again. |
| 18:21.05 | EthanCentaurai | Globe says my zip is invalid |
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| 18:22.28 | nevcairiel | it needs to have the same structure as it would on wowace/wowi etc |
| 18:22.35 | nevcairiel | just grab one the packager built |
| 18:22.37 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 18:22.42 | EthanCentaurai | oh, ADDON zip |
| 18:22.52 | EthanCentaurai | god fucking damn it, you'd think I have no brain |
| 18:23.04 | Mr_Rabies | "576 fury warrior LF flex for my alt" in openraid |
| 18:23.07 | Mr_Rabies | i just...don't get it |
| 18:23.20 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: i suppose he wants to show he has the experience |
| 18:23.47 | Mr_Rabies | i guess but it's still pretty dumb :| |
| 18:24.05 | infamousX | I'd rather take someone that says that than "LF flex 1/4" |
| 18:24.11 | EthanCentaurai | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:b7db33bc7384a78dcf9e2409a65d5e76 ? |
| 18:24.27 | nevcairiel | didnt you say you prefixed everything |
| 18:24.30 | Mr_Rabies | i wouldn't, sounds deceptive, to me |
| 18:24.41 | EthanCentaurai | I haven't uploaded my changes |
| 18:24.56 | nevcairiel | for one thing, you're writing QuestDifficultyColors in that version |
| 18:24.58 | nevcairiel | which is really bad :D |
| 18:25.18 | infamousX | it's not deceptive if you read the entire thing rather than skim like most do |
| 18:25.23 | nevcairiel | a lot of global writes that are bad |
| 18:25.39 | nevcairiel | EthanCentaurai: well you can also just zip up your local version |
| 18:25.47 | EthanCentaurai | working on it |
| 18:26.37 | nevcairiel | my guess is you need to strip it down much more and use some stuff t he default UI offers instead of ..you know, replacing everythign ;) |
| 18:26.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Kemayo (~kemayo@71-81-149-175.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 18:26.49 | EthanCentaurai | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:b6eff6cda8898996b132cdb06a8e079f |
| 18:26.59 | Mr_Rabies | he's not talking about his alt's ilvl, he's talking about his main's ilvl which has very little real bearing on anything, but whatever, people |
| 18:27.00 | EthanCentaurai | it's a goal |
| 18:27.06 | Mr_Rabies | can invite who they want |
| 18:28.07 | infamousX | It means he knows the fights, if anything. Invite him, ask his alt's item level; if it's not up to par, let him know and give him the chance to step out. |
| 18:29.43 | nevcairiel | EthanCentaurai: it probably is the QuestObjectiveTracker_UntrackQuest, triggered by QuestMapQuestOptions_TrackQuest |
| 18:29.50 | nevcairiel | it forces an objective tracker update, which taints it |
| 18:30.06 | nevcairiel | should just call RemoveQuestWatch and let the events do their job |
| 18:30.24 | EthanCentaurai | and here was me using default UI ;) |
| 18:30.54 | nevcairiel | both are default ui :p |
| 18:31.03 | EthanCentaurai | foxlit: how long are these globe upload things kept for? |
| 18:31.10 | Semlar | FOREVERRRRRRR |
| 18:31.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm listed on RB as "7/14H on main, just want to gear this alt in Flex" maybe i should be more deceptive so i can get an invite |
| 18:31.20 | EthanCentaurai | forever? :( |
| 18:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | (if they mouse over my name they can see my ilvl already, so i didn't include that) |
| 18:31.58 | nevcairiel | ya people like to put their ilvl in there, despite it being shown anyway |
| 18:32.16 | Mr_Rabies | but this guy i'm talking about is listing on openraid where i can't see his alt's ilvl at all |
| 18:32.24 | foxlit | they don't automatically expire, in any case. |
| 18:32.41 | Semlar | 5ever |
| 18:32.57 | foxlit | nevertheless, no guarantees as to whether they'll be around in an hour or a week. |
| 18:33.59 | EthanCentaurai | that's ok, I just don't want to bomb the site too much ;) |
| 18:34.34 | Gnarfoz | he'd find a way to use that against you, if it became a problem |
| 18:34.37 | foxlit | meh, don't worry about that. |
| 18:34.51 | infamousX | Complain about it all you want, there is a solution. It's part of being a good leader. He isn't being deceptive imo - just another way of stating experience. Is there a better way? Sure. Is there a way to get around the information given to get the information you want? Most definitely. |
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| 18:36.46 | nevcairiel | i wonder how much traffic openraid will still get come 6.0, sure some of the more extraordinary events will probably still be around, but stuff like a spontaneous flex PuG will just move ingame |
| 18:37.15 | Semlar | they need to add a way to schedule future events in the group finder |
| 18:37.37 | Semlar | like "there's going to be a raid on saturday that people can sign up for" |
| 18:37.51 | Mr_Rabies | openraid will be fine, but hopefully 6.0 kills OQ |
| 18:38.03 | nevcairiel | yeah that would've been neat, combine the group finder with the calendar somehow |
| 18:38.06 | Semlar | um it will kill oq because the api oq uses is gone |
| 18:38.24 | nevcairiel | didnt they just add a new API for OQ |
| 18:38.25 | Semlar | oq literally can't exist in 6.0 |
| 18:38.26 | Gnarfoz | as if oQueue needed some kind of API |
| 18:38.45 | Gnarfoz | it existed before there was an API and it will keep on existing as long as tiny lives |
| 18:38.54 | Gnarfoz | just like his pointless addon scraping site |
| 18:39.00 | Semlar | i'd like to see him try |
| 18:39.01 | Gnarfoz | how's that going btw, anyone follow it |
| 18:39.02 | nevcairiel | b.net addon messages are rather new, would be weird if they are going away again already? |
| 18:39.27 | nevcairiel | what other API would it need? :p |
| 18:39.31 | Gnarfoz | no idea |
| 18:39.44 | Gnarfoz | it didn't need one before, I can't see why it would in the future |
| 18:39.45 | Semlar | i don't remember what they did, all i know is oQ can't function in 6.0 |
| 18:39.55 | Gnarfoz | can you elaborate except repeating that |
| 18:39.56 | nevcairiel | but yeah, OQ is likely to die out, if the ingame tool is at least half-decent |
| 18:39.58 | Semlar | they either throttled bnet messages or something else |
| 18:40.11 | Gnarfoz | so... you're "guessing" that it can't exist? |
| 18:40.21 | Gnarfoz | if they throttle, it'll be slower, bfd |
| 18:40.31 | infamousX | oQ gives a lot of information I like to see as an RBG leader. PvP Power, ratings, highest ratings, etc. It'd be a shame if it died. :( |
| 18:40.31 | Semlar | no, i remember quite clearly that it can't function, i just don't remember why |
| 18:40.36 | nevcairiel | I doubt they add a new addon-specific b.net message function in 5.4.8 jsut to make it useless in 6.0 |
| 18:40.45 | Semlar | i don't feel like looking up the changes |
| 18:40.58 | Gnarfoz | so we'll discard that and believe it will still work just fine, or at least work with modifications |
| 18:41.08 | Semlar | sure |
| 18:42.22 | infamousX | The in-game utility doesn't give enough options. They need to be more specific. oQueue was entirely specific. If oQueue dies, I don't think many people will get as high ratings in PvP or complete as many raids (regardless of OR and RB existing). |
| 18:42.47 | nevcairiel | are you talking about the new tool, or the old make-shift one that has hardly any information |
| 18:42.55 | Gnarfoz | PvP can suck it (even though I know that's what OQ was created for), and the 6.0 raid browser is fine |
| 18:42.57 | infamousX | The current one. |
| 18:43.10 | nevcairiel | there is no comparison then |
| 18:43.21 | Semlar | you can make a group for anything with the new premade finder |
| 18:43.25 | nevcairiel | go get on the ptr and checkout the 6.0 finder |
| 18:43.53 | infamousX | I've used it. I don't like it. |
| 18:44.07 | nevcairiel | you just said you compared to the current one |
| 18:44.09 | nevcairiel | make up your mind! |
| 18:44.31 | Gnarfoz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81IwlDeV6c please watch before going back to the intertubes |
| 18:44.31 | infamousX | I'm comparing the current oQueue to the 6.0 group finder |
| 18:44.45 | foxlit | the social barrier to group formation should probably just go right ahead and die. |
| 18:45.14 | foxlit | looking at you "LFM flex, requires heroic ilvl" |
| 18:45.36 | Gnarfoz | good luck with that, as long as item levels exist |
| 18:46.09 | nevcairiel | at least the stupid gearscore died, ilvl is at least a somewhat transparent score, even if it didnt solve the problem |
| 18:47.12 | foxlit | the hard problem lurking behind all this is figuring out whether player X is performing at a level corresponding to specific content. |
| 18:47.19 | nevcairiel | damn both beta and ptr are down, no development this evening |
| 18:47.20 | Mr_Rabies | there needs to be a metric to judge pugs on in some form, and ilvl directly correlates with damage if people know what they're doing |
| 18:47.29 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: thats a strong if |
| 18:47.41 | Mr_Rabies | you can't tell if someone's doing what they're supposed to, but you can at least tell what their gear is |
| 18:47.59 | Gnarfoz | but there's tons of people with full flex or even normal gear, who don't know shit |
| 18:48.02 | Gnarfoz | and do shit dps |
| 18:48.14 | nevcairiel | the problem is that people dont want a group that can finish the raid, they want one that makes it as easy and fast as possible |
| 18:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | that's not really a problem, people don't like wasting time |
| 18:48.39 | nevcairiel | ie. to do flex today, you practically need full flex gear |
| 18:48.39 | Gnarfoz | so... yeah. that's why flex raids require heroic ilvl - because it's the only range where it starts even having a chance at meaning anything |
| 18:49.18 | foxlit | so the thought is that human matchmakers are problematic. |
| 18:49.28 | infamousX | See, for example, the 6.0.2 LFG tool needs more information. For example, if I set up a group for RBGs, it doesn't show their current and highest ratings or win/loss/games played. |
| 18:49.29 | foxlit | while automatic matchmaking needs inputs that are infeasible to compute. |
| 18:49.50 | nevcairiel | in short, matchmaking is broken? |
| 18:49.51 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 18:50.18 | infamousX | It allows you to set limitations for item level and rating, but doesn't allow you to see that information for those queueing for your group. |
| 18:50.46 | Gnarfoz | what do you need it for if you already set it? |
| 18:50.55 | Gnarfoz | don't you trust THE SYSTEM |
| 18:50.59 | foxlit | nevcairiel: or at least needs further work. |
| 18:51.30 | foxlit | Combining the LFR stuff with some sort of reputation system would make it better, but there's no reasonable input to that either -- you can't really be asked to assess the performance of a random player in your group. |
| 18:51.34 | nevcairiel | infamousX: it actually does show you the item level |
| 18:51.53 | infamousX | Yes, I know that. |
| 18:51.58 | nevcairiel | you just said it doesnt |
| 18:52.08 | nevcairiel | o.o |
| 18:52.58 | infamousX | I formulated my thought wrong. It allows you to see item level, but not current/highest ratings for players that queue into your group. |
| 18:53.16 | Semlar | uh, join a guild if you want reasonable group requirements |
| 18:53.37 | infamousX | If I had two warlocks queue and one had 1850cr w/ 1877 exp, and another had 1740cr w/ 2.1k exp, I'd invite the latter player. |
| 18:53.46 | nevcairiel | i don't care about pvp, let them keep using oqueue for all i care |
| 18:53.51 | nevcairiel | also, if in question, ask them :) |
| 18:54.03 | foxlit | to some extent, this is by design |
| 18:54.04 | infamousX | I've submitted suggestions already |
| 18:54.15 | foxlit | "Set the minimum requirements, and beyond that, stfu and take the people who match them." |
| 18:54.21 | Constie | FF14 asks you to give a commendation to one other person at the end of each random dungeon group, without telling you what you're supposed to be rewarding. Something like that could be a factor in matchmaking, maybe. |
| 18:54.46 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: yeah, that was my understanding as well |
| 18:55.20 | infamousX | I don't like that idea. I've met far more people that are trash that match the rating I'm looking for than those that actually know how to play their class at the level they're playing at. |
| 18:55.22 | Mr_Rabies | they can do some neat stuff with proving grounds if they want to, but i don't know how much they wanna do yet |
| 18:55.26 | infamousX | It's easy to get carried in a 10v10 situation. |
| 18:56.17 | foxlit | It's a balancing act between "I want the best group possible" and "I want to actually be able to join a group" |
| 18:56.34 | infamousX | And I could say the same about PvE. I can't stand it. Leave it for the dogs to enjoy... blah blah. No, it's part of the game. People actually do like it. Regardless of your feelings, it's an aspect of the game that man people play the game ONLY to do. |
| 18:56.46 | nevcairiel | the way i see it, the group finder is for a much more casual approach than what you're expecting from it |
| 18:56.48 | infamousX | I guess that's true. |
| 18:57.11 | nevcairiel | like Semlar suggested, join a guild if you want high-end play ;) |
| 18:57.28 | foxlit | high-end play on an erratic schedule, though. |
| 18:57.33 | foxlit | Guilds don't solve that :( |
| 18:57.39 | infamousX | There aren't guilds for high-end PvP other than on Tich. |
| 18:57.44 | infamousX | Good ones, at least. |
| 18:57.46 | Gnarfoz | hahaha |
| 18:57.47 | Semlar | i think it's ridiculous that anyone would expect much out of a group of players that have never met each other before |
| 18:57.47 | nevcairiel | yeah well, time-challenged players are always in trouble |
| 18:57.47 | Gnarfoz | good one |
| 18:58.10 | Gnarfoz | there's millions of players, unless you're some kind of global top 10 player, I bet there's other people who play on your level |
| 18:58.40 | infamousX | Millions of players on my realm? Not quite. Guilds don't solve the issue. |
| 18:58.54 | Gnarfoz | you don't have to be on one realm? |
| 18:59.05 | foxlit | But okay, here's a suggestion for things to implement: instead of oqueue, run your own distributed reputation system |
| 18:59.19 | Gnarfoz | guilds certainly fit your issue better than the tool intended for scrublord McScrub |
| 18:59.21 | Semlar | you need to socialize with other players, make friends with ones that you like, and play with them again in the future |
| 18:59.28 | foxlit | with at least two dimensions: "I like playing with this guy" and "This guy seems good at what he does" |
| 18:59.37 | nevcairiel | oqueue doesnt really solve that problem either anyway, it just gives you one or two extra numbers, but no insight in the mind of the player |
| 19:00.10 | Neffi | Semlar: is that why you won't play with me on Emerald Dream? :| |
| 19:00.14 | Semlar | >_> |
| 19:00.17 | nevcairiel | this insight you only get when playing with them regularly |
| 19:00.21 | infamousX | They don't though. I've spent full days in trade chat looking for people for RBGs and get nothing. Then go directly into oQueue and get into one with a few good players, add them, and be on my merry way. |
| 19:01.03 | Gnarfoz | so... do that a couple of times, filter out the idiots, and you're set? :| |
| 19:01.10 | Gnarfoz | can do the same with the new finder, too |
| 19:01.11 | Primer | meh, I've spent hours in OQ trying to find an RBG and still didn't get into one |
| 19:01.20 | Primer | I'm even playing a highly sought after class |
| 19:02.15 | infamousX | Gnarfoz: It's possible, yes, but when I can't see the player's current rating and higest rating, I have to go armory them. It's a hassle. They should just implement the feature. |
| 19:02.21 | infamousX | Primer: Alliance or Horde? What rating? |
| 19:02.28 | infamousX | and what class? |
| 19:02.40 | Primer | I still haven't seen this new finder, but I surely hope it reports on the same criteria OQ does: item level, current rating, class, spec |
| 19:02.43 | Gnarfoz | they don't want you to be an elitist and show you that. set your limits, find a group, if they don't suck, ok. |
| 19:02.57 | Primer | infamousX: Alliance affliction/destro lock, 2k |
| 19:03.12 | nevcairiel | it shows item level at least, i didnt find a screenshot of the pvp listing, and i never tried that part myself |
| 19:03.23 | Primer | Eventually I added many to real id, and have been getting into groups that way |
| 19:03.25 | nevcairiel | and of course class/spec are shown |
| 19:03.37 | Semlar | i've never seen another player listed in the premade finder so i have no idea what it provides |
| 19:03.38 | infamousX | It's not being an elitist. It's about picking people more suited to your group experience and rating. That's a big part of RBGs. |
| 19:03.40 | Gnarfoz | also, you said earlier that you'd take the player with the lower current rating but higher max rating over the one with the higher current rating... which seems odd. isn't that a classical example of "got carried to high rating, can't sustain it"? |
| 19:03.40 | Primer | One thing OQ doesn't do (AFAIK) is alt spec |
| 19:03.59 | Primer | Like, I have to spec into what I want first, then go into the wait list |
| 19:04.04 | Primer | On my priest, for example |
| 19:04.19 | Primer | So I have to sit in a city as holy to queue |
| 19:04.29 | Primer | Another thing would be a comment |
| 19:04.49 | Gnarfoz | infamousX: sure you're being elitist, it's what picking a great group is all about. there's nothing bad with that necessarily. it's just not what /that/ tool was made for. if you want to use it for that, you'll have to live with the limitations that come from its intended purpose |
| 19:04.59 | Primer | "550 holy/shadow priest fully gemmed/enchanted in both spects" |
| 19:05.19 | infamousX | Primer: I wish it would give that information as well. |
| 19:05.28 | infamousX | Gnarfoz, let me type my response ;) |
| 19:05.32 | Gnarfoz | nevar! |
| 19:05.38 | Gnarfoz | type faster :D |
| 19:05.40 | infamousX | :D sec |
| 19:05.50 | Primer | I tire of grouping with people who might just have the minimum current RBG rating, but are missing 5 gems and 7 enchants |
| 19:05.57 | Gnarfoz | I'll go hang my laundry anyway, you'll probably have fallen asleep by then :P |
| 19:06.25 | Primer | "550 holy/shadow priest fully gemmed/enchanted in both specs, low CR but 2k XP" |
| 19:06.30 | Primer | shit like that |
| 19:06.58 | Primer | Honestly, I'd like to see OQ go away |
| 19:06.59 | infamousX | I would take the player with the higher /experience/ than the player with the higher /current rating/ because they are more likely capable. At 2.1k, it's hard to get carried because people expect a certain level of performance. |
| 19:07.07 | Primer | But only because it still breaks other addons |
| 19:07.40 | nevcairiel | you can pay to be carried to some max rating |
| 19:07.55 | Primer | infamousX: that doesn't always work |
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| 19:08.16 | Gnarfoz | I was going to ask what's up |
| 19:08.17 | Primer | Granted, I would totally take someone more experienced, but they'd have to have the CR |
| 19:08.29 | haste | was just about to write... "It's.. Dr. now!" |
| 19:08.31 | infamousX | Exactly. |
| 19:08.32 | Primer | otherwise all you're doing is building up their CR, not yours |
| 19:08.37 | Cairenn | It's so awesome |
| 19:08.52 | Primer | You'd be going up against lower rated team, winning, and getting 0 points |
| 19:08.54 | Cairenn | So proud of you Jim! |
| 19:09.02 | Maldivia | (I thought he finished a while ago?) |
| 19:09.10 | Gnarfoz | maybe now he can get back to doing useful things, like addons, books about addons, bots for addons... websites about addons? |
| 19:09.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:09.25 | Cairenn | Nope, passed his doctoral thesis defense today |
| 19:09.40 | Gnarfoz | sounds like tower defense |
| 19:09.41 | infamousX | Right. But I'm trying to recruit the best players for my long-term cross-realm group rather than gain instant rating. |
| 19:09.56 | nevcairiel | infamousX: make a forum post :) |
| 19:10.03 | infamousX | I have in 3 places :D |
| 19:10.11 | infamousX | no responses, unfortunately |
| 19:10.13 | Gnarfoz | you'll armory-stalk them regardless, admit it :p |
| 19:10.17 | Maldivia | well, congrats Dr Jim :D |
| 19:10.30 | infamousX | Most likely but it helps the quick decisions |
| 19:10.32 | infamousX | :) |
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| 19:10.35 | Fisker | \o/ jnwhiteh |
| 19:10.46 | Gnarfoz | /o\ jnwhiteh |
| 19:10.56 | foxlit | is he actually around, or are we just gratsing his scrollback in a few hours? |
| 19:11.05 | Primer | infamousX: Horde or Alliance? :) |
| 19:11.10 | Gnarfoz | most likely the latter :D |
| 19:11.15 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i would expect him to be out |
| 19:11.21 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: congrats! |
| 19:11.22 | Cairenn | I'm gratsing it from having just seen it on his FB feed |
| 19:11.24 | Fisker | Just gratsing his scrollback of course foxlit |
| 19:11.26 | infamousX | Alliance! Actually been looking for a good Aff Lock lately. |
| 19:11.28 | infamousX | :) |
| 19:11.37 | Primer | infamousX: US? |
| 19:11.39 | Fisker | He's probably consuming copious amounts of alcohol! |
| 19:11.40 | Primer | What days/times? |
| 19:11.41 | Fisker | No time for irc |
| 19:11.48 | Primer | Right now I dipped below 2k |
| 19:11.56 | infamousX | Yes. No set days/times at the moment but I'm in the process of creating a schedule. |
| 19:11.59 | Primer | because I kept joining randoms on OQ :( |
| 19:12.24 | infamousX | I have too. Been looking for good players rather than rating for WoD first-of-the-season push |
| 19:12.24 | Cairenn | Well, his fb post was 2 hrs ago, saying "Celebrating my DPhil, come and join" from Royal Oak |
| 19:12.41 | Cairenn | So, yeah, I'm betting there have been copious amounts of alcohol already consumed |
| 19:12.50 | Ressy | heh |
| 19:13.05 | Cairenn | So damn proud of him |
| 19:13.22 | Primer | infamousX: Add me on realid, Barfolomeu#1881 |
| 19:13.27 | nevcairiel | you know, PhD sounds much cooler than DPhil, thats what you get for doing this in england |
| 19:13.33 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 19:13.44 | Fisker | his doctor phil? |
| 19:13.44 | Primer | I read DPhil as "Dr. Phil" |
| 19:13.59 | Gnarfoz | meh, we just call them all Dr |
| 19:14.01 | Fisker | Cannot unsee Primer |
| 19:14.12 | Gnarfoz | (not if we're being correct, but in general use) |
| 19:14.13 | infamousX | Here is my mmo-c forum post (if I'm allowed to link it here, if not, let me know) http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1307510-RBG-Arena-Looking-for-Players/page6 |
| 19:14.27 | infamousX | Last entry |
| 19:14.38 | Gnarfoz | are there even NatD's, MedD's etc in US or UK |
| 19:14.40 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: being correct gets verbose |
| 19:14.40 | Primer | checking |
| 19:14.49 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: MDs certainly |
| 19:14.58 | Gnarfoz | right, of course |
| 19:15.08 | Gnarfoz | Dr. rer. nat.! :D |
| 19:15.25 | Gnarfoz | bonus points if you know what that stands for >_> |
| 19:15.28 | nevcairiel | i dont |
| 19:15.30 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:15.31 | infamousX | Added ya Primer |
| 19:15.42 | Gnarfoz | (I don't know which doctors fit under which abbreviation btw, that's the hardest part) |
| 19:15.51 | nevcairiel | well, now i looke it up |
| 19:15.54 | nevcairiel | terribly long |
| 19:16.09 | nevcairiel | "doctor rerum naturalium" much |
| 19:16.23 | Primer | infamousX: awesome. I'm US pacific time, FYI |
| 19:16.26 | Gnarfoz | latin up in here, yo |
| 19:16.44 | Gnarfoz | Dr. IT is actually one of the Dr. rer. nat.'s |
| 19:16.50 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:16.53 | Gnarfoz | (IT... CS, I mean) |
| 19:17.01 | infamousX | Great! I love having people in the group in Pacific / Mountian timezones. They stay longer. :) |
| 19:17.05 | nevcairiel | its kinda teh generic science fallback |
| 19:17.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah... doctor of the natural things. |
| 19:17.21 | Gnarfoz | how creative. |
| 19:17.27 | nevcairiel | as if CS is so natural |
| 19:17.32 | Gnarfoz | math is |
| 19:17.43 | nevcairiel | i guess everything is math at some level of abstraction |
| 19:17.46 | Gnarfoz | which is why CS is being grouped under there, too :| |
| 19:17.57 | Gnarfoz | I find it odd that psychology is in there |
| 19:18.07 | nevcairiel | thats not very sciency |
| 19:18.08 | Gnarfoz | with chemistry, physics, geology, math |
| 19:18.34 | Gnarfoz | dat laundry is not going to hang itself |
| 19:18.37 | Gnarfoz | flees |
| 19:18.49 | nevcairiel | you can also be Dr. phil. in psychology though |
| 19:19.05 | nevcairiel | apparently both are possible depending on specific area |
| 19:19.21 | Gnarfoz | just be Dr. Ing. |
| 19:19.40 | nevcairiel | they should shove CS in there |
| 19:19.52 | Gnarfoz | but then the Ing.'s will get mad! |
| 19:20.11 | Gnarfoz | at least the US Ing's tend to get super-mad when you call anyone but them Ing's |
| 19:20.29 | Gnarfoz | because they're somehow special and all |
| 19:20.55 | nevcairiel | US people all consider themself somehow special |
| 19:21.04 | infamousX | Primer I'll likely be running tonight if you're interested? |
| 19:21.29 | Gnarfoz | nah, that engineer thing is bonus weird |
| 19:23.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (quassel@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) |
| 19:23.42 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 19:29.01 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: do you fly AA? |
| 19:29.23 | Primer | infamousX: depends on the time |
| 19:29.42 | Primer | infamousX: unfortunately I won't be home til about 8PM my time |
| 19:30.59 | infamousX | I normally start forming the group at about 6PM your time. Usually don't fill for ~2 hours so that sounds about right |
| 19:31.34 | Primer | I'll look you up once I get on then |
| 19:31.44 | infamousX | Sounds good |
| 19:32.17 | Primer | I also have my holy/shadow priest, 550 with separate gear for both specs, 1951, and arms warrior 1875 |
| 19:32.31 | Primer | and believe it or not, a full 550 prot set :) |
| 19:32.59 | Primer | Not that anyone ever plays with anything other than bears |
| 19:33.09 | Primer | But it worked great in yolos :) |
| 19:33.22 | infamousX | Never ran without a Guardian - from what I've seen either a) warrior doesn't know what they're doing or b) get steamrolled by anything caster-related |
| 19:33.48 | infamousX | I have a few holy/shads on my roster but if they are on tonight is a different story :P |
| 19:33.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.13 | infamousX | Not opposed to a warrior but only if we have a rogue |
| 19:34.19 | Fisker | What is that from? |
| 19:34.30 | Semlar | japan |
| 19:34.36 | Fisker | hoho Semlar |
| 19:34.44 | Primer | most groups just go full ranged + rogue |
| 19:35.10 | Semlar | nothing but rogues |
| 19:35.48 | infamousX | My target caller is a Ret most of the time. I tend to shake up the comp meta a bit |
| 19:36.42 | Primer | I've been target caller in many a successful RBG as a lock |
| 19:36.50 | Primer | it works great when you don't have many melee |
| 19:38.17 | znf | Anyone has any damn experience with Adobe Illustrator? |
| 19:38.20 | infamousX | Mighty difficult to effectively TC as an Aff, but you have a great advantage in that you can sit back and see health pools |
| 19:38.54 | infamousX | What are you looking for znf? I've done a few things in AI |
| 19:39.25 | znf | infamousX, made a new document, 512x512 px, put a piece of art in the middle |
| 19:39.27 | znf | trying to export it |
| 19:39.32 | znf | 632x632 px |
| 19:39.58 | znf | I'm like... wat? |
| 19:40.12 | infamousX | What are you using to save it? The option |
| 19:40.42 | znf | export |
| 19:40.46 | Primer | infamousX: I was destro while TC'ing |
| 19:40.49 | Primer | it was cake |
| 19:41.07 | infamousX | Yeah, make it much easier. |
| 19:41.14 | infamousX | znf, let me take a look |
| 19:41.27 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.43 | infamousX | export it to what file type? |
| 19:42.48 | infamousX | anf |
| 19:42.50 | Fisker | Not always I think of the easiest solution before it's given to me :P |
| 19:42.51 | infamousX | znf* |
| 19:43.02 | znf | infamousX, PNG |
| 19:43.53 | infamousX | No need to export then, select Save As or, even better, Save for Web |
| 19:44.57 | znf | ok, that worked |
| 19:44.58 | znf | thanks |
| 19:45.02 | infamousX | np! |
| 19:45.56 | infamousX | export is generally only used for CAD and external programs outside of Adobe |
| 19:48.13 | znf | <insert something bad about adobe illustrator> |
| 19:49.58 | infamousX | might be easier to work with photoshop, unless you're doing something like vectors, shapes, and text modifying |
| 19:50.31 | znf | I have an "issue" with all Adobe products |
| 19:51.06 | Primer | same |
| 19:51.21 | infamousX | why? |
| 19:51.31 | Primer | They suck |
| 19:51.35 | znf | Their UI is horrible, completely not intuitive |
| 19:51.46 | Semlar | ctrl shift s |
| 19:51.52 | Primer | I mostly dislike flash though |
| 19:51.59 | Primer | I want to see that die a horrible death |
| 19:52.09 | znf | Undo / Redo is the most fucked up action in Photoshop, for example |
| 19:52.22 | znf | You'd expect Ctrl+Z to just undo forever and ever until you reach your first action, right? |
| 19:52.24 | infamousX | I like all of their products... other than Flash |
| 19:52.25 | infamousX | haha |
| 19:52.31 | znf | But noooo, Ctrl+Z will Undo/Redo |
| 19:52.34 | znf | like... wat? |
| 19:52.44 | Semlar | it's designed to toggle between the last change to make it easy to flip between them |
| 19:53.03 | infamousX | undo is either shift+ctrl or alt+ctrl |
| 19:53.05 | infamousX | I dont remember |
| 19:53.11 | znf | It's called Ctrl+Shift+Z!!!! |
| 19:53.12 | Semlar | ctrl alt |
| 19:53.24 | znf | Why do you have to remap the keybindings? >_< |
| 19:54.00 | infamousX | that feature has been like that since before CS4 |
| 19:54.05 | infamousX | that's when I started |
| 19:54.20 | znf | Could have very well been there forever |
| 19:54.27 | Semlar | it's not quite as bad as going into a text editor and having ctrl+z DELETE THE CURRENTLY SELECTED LINE OF TEXT |
| 19:54.42 | infamousX | lol! |
| 19:54.46 | znf | heh |
| 19:54.56 | znf | I don't know which editor does that |
| 19:54.58 | Semlar | or maybe it was ctrl+y, i can't remember |
| 19:55.00 | znf | damn it, I need a new keyboard |
| 19:55.22 | Simca | ctrl+y does it in any unix editor |
| 19:55.39 | Simca | stands for Yank |
| 19:55.40 | Semlar | ctrl+z and ctrl+y are normally undo and redo |
| 19:55.50 | Simca | yeah |
| 19:55.55 | Semlar | so when you go to "redo" an action that you undid with ctrl+y |
| 19:55.59 | Semlar | and it deletes the god damn line |
| 19:56.02 | Semlar | you can't fix that |
| 19:56.13 | Simca | you ruin the redo queue at the same time too |
| 19:56.17 | Semlar | yep |
| 19:56.38 | Semlar | i think pycharm has the hotkey set up this way |
| 19:56.48 | Semlar | i need to fix that |
| 19:56.59 | Semlar | because i will inevitably hit it at some point |
| 19:57.23 | Simca | my second semester C++ class makes us do all of our programming in emacs |
| 19:57.37 | Simca | it is terrifying |
| 19:57.41 | Semlar | i guess redo is ctrl+shift+z |
| 19:58.03 | Semlar | why do i need a hotkey to delete my line |
| 19:58.21 | Simca | yanking puts it into a yank queue |
| 19:58.30 | Simca | and you can restore it in a different place |
| 19:58.37 | Simca | it's like cut and paste except for lines |
| 19:59.01 | Semlar | so it has a separate clipboard |
| 19:59.05 | Simca | yeah |
| 19:59.16 | znf | wow, someone on reddit just recommended SSI to someone instead of PHP |
| 19:59.18 | znf | like... |
| 19:59.29 | znf | SSI... geez |
| 20:02.05 | Simca | ASP, CSP, or JSP are much better alternatives |
| 20:03.01 | znf | CSP? |
| 20:03.18 | Simca | like JSP except based on C++ |
| 20:03.28 | znf | uhm |
| 20:03.32 | znf | you're a weird fellow |
| 20:04.05 | Semlar | tries to calm simca down |
| 20:04.46 | Simca | weird fellow is a much milder way of putting it than most people would use |
| 20:06.00 | nevcairiel | CSP is a thing? |
| 20:06.59 | znf | I wouldn't really trust that :D |
| 20:07.57 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/mAVDlJt.jpg |
| 20:09.51 | infamousX | Am I the only one here that doesn't know how to "code"? |
| 20:09.52 | infamousX | :P |
| 20:10.07 | Simca | it's not a popular thing, but there are a few different implementations of it |
| 20:10.08 | nevcairiel | nah, znf has no clue either |
| 20:10.28 | znf | completely clueless about coding |
| 20:10.31 | znf | true story |
| 20:10.39 | Neffi | infamousX: probably about half the people here know how to code, I'd say |
| 20:10.48 | znf | I just type stuff in a text editor |
| 20:10.50 | znf | and I press compile |
| 20:10.51 | Neffi | maybe more, maybe less. I don't know all of them! ;) |
| 20:10.53 | znf | hopefully it works |
| 20:10.55 | TC-Work | Define 'know how to code' |
| 20:10.56 | znf | most of the time it doesn't |
| 20:11.01 | znf | then I bug nevcairiel |
| 20:11.03 | Semlar | i don't know how to code |
| 20:11.09 | Semlar | that's never stopped me |
| 20:11.26 | infamousX | Developed / Authored an addon or program is proabably a good way to define |
| 20:11.32 | nevcairiel | there is also a big difference between knowing how to code and knowing how to design software |
| 20:11.33 | TC-Work | Yea, your 'code' reflects that Semlar. |
| 20:11.42 | Semlar | :( |
| 20:11.50 | znf | infamousX, I don't think that |
| 20:11.53 | Neffi | Semlar isn't a real person. He's really just a huge room full of monkeys typing random things. I wrote a little program to decide if any given output makes sense, and if so, forward it to IRC |
| 20:11.54 | nevcairiel | ie. we call that the difference between a code monkey or a software developer :p |
| 20:11.55 | Neffi | works quite well |
| 20:11.55 | znf | I made programs |
| 20:11.58 | znf | I still can't code :D |
| 20:11.59 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:098e72217b00586d8829e98c21d3c3c8-reads |
| 20:12.06 | Industrial | Hi. |
| 20:12.11 | Neffi | hey indie |
| 20:12.15 | znf | foxlit, that's one weird URL |
| 20:12.18 | TC-Work | You again? |
| 20:12.19 | nevcairiel | foxlit: whats with the colors |
| 20:12.40 | nevcairiel | i cant seem to make out a proper pattern |
| 20:12.45 | Industrial | Is it possible to skip the AoE selection tool with a macro? for e.g. Dizzying Haze? so it just throws wherever I have the mouse at the moment? |
| 20:12.52 | Neffi | foxlit: that color palette is gorgeous |
| 20:12.56 | Semlar | Industrial: no |
| 20:12.56 | nevcairiel | Industrial: no |
| 20:12.57 | Neffi | I'm stealing it |
| 20:13.00 | infamousX | Well, I am going to school next year to be a software engineer. Figured it might be easier if I knew at least one thing other than HTML |
| 20:13.01 | foxlit | The canonical answer is "no" |
| 20:13.02 | Industrial | k |
| 20:13.09 | foxlit | but you know, they're all wrong |
| 20:13.17 | Semlar | it can be done but you're not supposed to |
| 20:13.23 | foxlit | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIlELJ0YsVM and stuffs. |
| 20:13.30 | TC-Work | Ah, RIP infamousX. |
| 20:13.34 | Industrial | infamousX: yey! |
| 20:13.46 | Neffi | Listen to foxlit. He's our resident mad scientist. When others go "I can't do this" or "for the love of all things holy, I WONT do this", he goes "it's almost done" |
| 20:13.49 | Semlar | also i know a bunch of people use mouse/keyboard macros to double click to bypass the reticle soo |
| 20:13.51 | infamousX | Should I be scared? hahaha |
| 20:14.19 | nevcairiel | foxlit: so is there a pattern behind the colors, or just for fun? |
| 20:14.29 | Industrial | of going to be able to make things that do exaclty what you want? |
| 20:14.31 | foxlit | Neffi: you can have this one, I kind of need a different balance between distinguishable and still readable. |
| 20:14.47 | foxlit | nevcairiel: C in purple, framexml functions in blue, and framexml junk in green. Approximately. |
| 20:15.11 | Neffi | this is becoming my new sublime text color scheme |
| 20:15.14 | Neffi | <3 |
| 20:15.34 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i dont suppose you feel like splitting lua vs. wow api |
| 20:15.45 | nevcairiel | (naive implementation: lower case is lua) |
| 20:15.57 | Neffi | that's an extremely naive case |
| 20:16.01 | Semlar | foxlit when will this write my addon for me |
| 20:16.03 | foxlit | I'm not sure I see the benefit |
| 20:16.03 | Neffi | LibStub certainly isn't a WoW API function |
| 20:16.49 | Semlar | UnitIsNeffi |
| 20:17.55 | foxlit | nevcairiel: is there any reason to distinguish between lua and wow API? |
| 20:18.06 | nevcairiel | foxlit: just informational purposes |
| 20:18.16 | foxlit | (and where would that put things like table.wipe, rtable.*, etc) |
| 20:18.51 | nevcairiel | i dont even know what rtable is |
| 20:19.03 | Semlar | it's part of the pirate api |
| 20:19.38 | Semlar | arr neffi |
| 20:20.07 | Neffi | foxlit: "Uploaded file is invalid" I don't think so though |
| 20:20.10 | foxlit | gr, this doesn't account for named stuff in XML in framexml. |
| 20:20.31 | nevcairiel | Neffi: you did it wrong |
| 20:21.12 | Neffi | no, it fails if the zip has git files in it |
| 20:21.40 | Lopeppeppy | Good night, my sweet cabbages! |
| 20:22.07 | foxlit | you should totally upload the invalid zip somewhere. |
| 20:22.10 | Neffi | Oh nice it found a typo bug |
| 20:22.38 | infamousX | Is there a way to make WeakAuras models (like Goblin, Ghome) appear in about the same position as an Orc, Draenei would |
| 20:23.07 | Semlar | weakauras lets you position the model wherever you want |
| 20:23.22 | Neffi | foxlit: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6oxba2ny72j8s55/nfCooldowns.zip?dl=0 |
| 20:23.32 | infamousX | Oh, that's what the mover is for |
| 20:23.34 | infamousX | Derp |
| 20:23.38 | infamousX | Thanks Semlar |
| 20:23.56 | Semlar | you can move the model within the frame or just move the frame |
| 20:24.02 | foxlit | Neffi: http://pastebin.com/mfaxeExW |
| 20:24.05 | infamousX | Not sure if I'm gonna make it as a software engineer doing stupid shit like that LOL |
| 20:24.27 | nevcairiel | Neffi: even my zip app cant open that |
| 20:24.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Mr_Rabies (~mrrabies@162.243.30.25) |
| 20:25.09 | Neffi | wtf. made with 7zip |
| 20:25.37 | Neffi | oh, *woops* |
| 20:25.42 | Neffi | it's a .7z, not a .zip |
| 20:25.51 | Gnarfoz | ~lart Neffi |
| 20:25.51 | purl | smacks Neffi up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 20:25.58 | Neffi | bah! I'm tired |
| 20:30.54 | TC-Work | infamousX: people are stupid, learn it , understand it, and code for it. |
| 20:31.52 | infamousX | Gonna make that my wallpaper on my laptop, with some fancy shit, too. Cause I'm good a graphics... and stuff. |
| 20:36.22 | infamousX | What's a good fileshare website? Haven't used one in ages. Need to upload a statusbar texture that I made |
| 20:36.56 | Semlar | dropbox i guess |
| 20:37.43 | Semlar | can you even use dropbox for free |
| 20:38.01 | TC-Work | Yes. |
| 20:38.05 | TC-Work | Weirdo. |
| 20:38.34 | Semlar | i was confused because google didn't take me to dropbox.com it took me to dropbox.com's paid website |
| 20:39.31 | infamousX | I thought about dropbox but I might just make an account on mega.co.nz |
| 20:39.33 | Mr_Rabies | reminder that condoleeza rice is on the Board of Directors for dropbox |
| 20:39.44 | infamousX | seems to be what a few people are using around mmo-c and wowi |
| 20:40.00 | Semlar | i pretty much only use imgur for sharing images |
| 20:40.04 | infamousX | same |
| 20:40.16 | Semlar | but that depends on what you're trying to share |
| 20:40.30 | Semlar | since it compresses jpegs |
| 20:40.52 | infamousX | imgur is better than any alternative. |
| 20:41.07 | infamousX | tinypic and photobucket are scum |
| 20:41.23 | Semlar | well there's mediacru.sh |
| 20:42.02 | infamousX | interesting, never heard of it before. saving it for future use :) |
| 20:44.49 | infamousX | Woah. Mega is better than I thought it would be. Totally keeping it! |
| 20:49.27 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:098e72217b00586d8829e98c21d3c3c8-reads << okay, that's more sane. |
| 20:49.40 | foxlit | still missing NORMAL_FONT_COLOR.b, but those are hard. |
| 20:53.07 | Industrial | Question: Can I get Carbonite not to reset the map back to fully zoomed out state but keep the exact zoom level I leave it at? |
| 20:53.20 | Industrial | I want it always just on the minimap map. I think it's awesome.\ |
| 20:58.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi_ (~Neffi@pool-151-202-49-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:15.29 | Semlar | do the servers outside US change times with DST |
| 21:15.44 | infamousX | Not exactly sure what you're meaning Industrial |
| 21:15.50 | nevcairiel | Semlar: certainly |
| 21:16.04 | Semlar | all the servers change time with DST? |
| 21:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | except maybe oceanic? there's a wowpedia listing |
| 21:16.26 | nevcairiel | i dunno about all, but the german servers certainly always stick to local time |
| 21:17.09 | ajmitch | oceanic realms tend to be on australian time (AEST/AEDT) |
| 21:17.10 | Semlar | good enough for me |
| 21:17.29 | Mr_Rabies | there's some weirdness with instance servers |
| 21:18.59 | Semlar | all the europe servers are GMT+1? |
| 21:19.49 | nevcairiel | unless dst! |
| 21:20.01 | Semlar | alright |
| 21:21.55 | Semlar | any idea what the chinese timezone is |
| 21:22.06 | infamousX | how do I save a .toc? |
| 21:22.12 | infamousX | noob question |
| 21:22.22 | Semlar | i don't understand the question |
| 21:22.36 | Semlar | it's a text file |
| 21:23.11 | infamousX | file type? can't just name it fileName.toc and have it act as a .toc extension |
| 21:23.19 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:24.03 | Semlar | you can save it as .txt and rename it to .toc or just save it as .toc |
| 21:24.10 | Semlar | it's just a plain text file |
| 21:24.26 | Semlar | just like .lua is a plain text file |
| 21:25.04 | infamousX | I renamed it infMedia.toc and it's still acting as a .txt extension. When I open it in Notepad++ it's name is infMedia.toc.txt |
| 21:25.14 | Kesava | that's because windows is terrible |
| 21:25.20 | Semlar | okay you didn't actually save it as .toc |
| 21:25.27 | infamousX | that's what I'm saying |
| 21:25.36 | infamousX | Notepad++ doesn't seem to have the file type available |
| 21:25.51 | Semlar | well it shouldn't be appending that extension on top of your extension |
| 21:26.04 | Semlar | but you can change explorer to show extensions and just rename the file |
| 21:26.22 | Kesava | choose "all files" in the dropdown (at the top) and you can type whatever you want. |
| 21:26.26 | Kesava | alternatively do that |
| 21:26.54 | infamousX | thanks, changed the option in "view" and it worked. |
| 21:27.10 | Semlar | i haven't used notepad++ in a while but i'm sure saving the file as something.toc doesn't automatically add .txt to the end of it |
| 21:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | thre's a windows folder option to show filetypes, do you have that enabled? |
| 21:27.39 | Semlar | if you select a file type in the dropdown menu AFTER typing something.toc then it will add that to the extension |
| 21:27.40 | infamousX | I just enabled it. Changed it, and now it's properly a .toc file type |
| 21:27.50 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay |
| 21:27.57 | Kesava | does if you have .txt selected in the "save as type" dropdown, that's how the windows file save dialog works |
| 21:27.59 | Neffi_ | Recommendation: always show file types in Win explorer! |
| 21:28.01 | Mr_Rabies | one of the first things i change on windows |
| 21:28.18 | Neffi_ | I don't know who thought that was a good idea |
| 21:28.24 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah, it defaults to .txt |
| 21:28.51 | Semlar | i almost never create a new .toc file directly out of an editor though |
| 21:28.51 | Neffi_ | NP++ shouldn't append .txt. If you manually name it, I believe it respects the extension you chose |
| 21:29.01 | foxlit | Neffi_: halp, I renamed my word document to "Best Word Document Ever" and now it doesn't even open :( |
| 21:29.09 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:29.10 | infamousX | This is my first time trying to code something other than HTML so I didn't know that trick. :) thanks! |
| 21:29.27 | Kesava | it isn't np++ appending it, it's the way windows' save dialog works |
| 21:29.28 | Semlar | i either right click in explorer, create a new text file and rename it something.toc or copy an existing toc file and rename it because i'm lazy |
| 21:29.29 | Kesava | it is terrible |
| 21:29.32 | Neffi_ | foxlit: simple change: if the user renames it to something without an extension, append the previous (existing) extension |
| 21:29.47 | Semlar | really most of the time i create a new addon i literally just copy an existing addon folder i have |
| 21:30.11 | nevcairiel | if you hit rename on windows, it'll pre-select the file name, and leave the extension in the field, so when you just press rename and start typing, the extensions remains the same |
| 21:30.17 | nevcairiel | unless you go out of your way to change it |
| 21:30.19 | Neffi_ | aye |
| 21:30.25 | nevcairiel | no idea with which windows version that started though |
| 21:30.29 | Kesava | vista |
| 21:30.34 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, mine respected the filetype, but i have the extensions visible, maybe that's the toggle |
| 21:30.53 | Neffi_ | one inconsistency that really bothers me about Windows: if you ctrl-A while renaming in Explorer.exe, it selects all (incl extension), but if you do it on the desktop it will not select the extension |
| 21:31.01 | Neffi_ | Really bothersome because I use the desktop solely as a work area |
| 21:31.13 | foxlit | Neffi_: halp, I keep trying to rename "Best Word Document Ever.doc" to "Best Word Document Ever", but that ".doc" keeps coming back! SO ANNOYING! |
| 21:31.22 | nevcairiel | Neffi_: huh, i never noticed that |
| 21:31.58 | nevcairiel | i dont think i rename stuff much on the desktop |
| 21:32.09 | Neffi_ | foxlit: halp i download a .jpg file and doubled clicked it and a virus launched |
| 21:32.33 | nevcairiel | why do you think .jpg.exe exists, people are stupid |
| 21:32.47 | foxlit | np, let me just remove your administrator priveleges and install some sort of antivirus. |
| 21:32.58 | Neffi_ | I was pointing out that showing the extension is worth the little quirk foxlit is pointing out |
| 21:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | guys i pressed f13 and now my computer's a live dog help |
| 21:33.31 | Mr_Rabies | it won't stop licking my face |
| 21:33.33 | foxlit | besides, you blatantly ignored the "run this totally unsigned executable masquerading as a jpg" prompt. |
| 21:33.36 | nevcairiel | thats cool, just press it again Mr_Rabies |
| 21:33.41 | nevcairiel | its hidden under the nose |
| 21:34.03 | Semlar | executes neff |
| 21:34.04 | Neffi_ | foxlit: if I'm pretending to be a stupid user, I'm sure gonna play the part. And that means clicking whatever buttons I need to click to get annoying prompts out of my way |
| 21:34.05 | Semlar | i |
| 21:34.31 | foxlit | Neffi_: but then you'd just ignore the file extension |
| 21:34.46 | Neffi_ | maybe |
| 21:34.47 | foxlit | the security warning is a much more substantial barrier to random execution. |
| 21:35.15 | Kesava | but it's just a really funny joke |
| 21:35.18 | Kesava | that can't harm my computer |
| 21:35.43 | Neffi_ | Kesava: here, download this .exe. it's a joke telling program. no malware here! |
| 21:36.01 | Kesava | basically what we're getting at here is that windows is made for idiots |
| 21:37.01 | foxlit | the default settings aim to maximize usability for an untrained audience. |
| 21:37.47 | foxlit | granted, it's like the second thing you turn off after installing windows, but you're atypical. |
| 21:38.04 | Neffi_ | fair enough |
| 21:38.23 | foxlit | and by you I mean me, and everyone else in an irc channel. |
| 21:39.49 | Neffi_ | hey, IRC is for totally normal and cool people |
| 21:41.08 | foxlit | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ#t=18s << that's not what I heard, Neffi. |
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| 21:42.18 | Semlar | it's how hackers talk when they don't want to be overheard |
| 21:42.19 | Neffi_ | til we're all hackers and anyone who isn't a hacker cannot access the logs |
| 21:42.38 | Semlar | well except this channel is logged |
| 21:42.40 | Neffi_ | bam, random advanced math looking shit everywhere |
| 21:42.44 | Neffi_ | god this show is terrible |
| 21:43.05 | Semlar | i don't know neffi, this kind of makes me want to watch it |
| 21:43.05 | Kesava | ONLINE NAMES |
| 21:43.10 | Neffi_ | hey Semlar, do you speak this 'leet' language? |
| 21:43.17 | Semlar | not if i can help it |
| 21:43.53 | nevcairiel | despite all the hilarious tech things they got so terribly wrong, i still liked the show :p |
| 21:44.05 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:44.07 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure they're doing this on purpose |
| 21:44.11 | nevcairiel | maybe |
| 21:44.28 | Neffi_ | I can deal with writers getting tech horribly wrong, but only if they aren't trying so damn hard to make it sound smart and cool |
| 21:44.46 | Semlar | those writers are definitely trolling |
| 21:44.51 | Neffi_ | but that's partially the director's fault too |
| 21:45.13 | infamousX | woohoo! my first addon works! even though it's literally two lines! hahahaha |
| 21:45.22 | nevcairiel | a single tech consultant to get some facts right wouldnt be too hard to acquire |
| 21:45.30 | nevcairiel | but it might not sound as cool then |
| 21:45.45 | Neffi_ | it can |
| 21:46.05 | Kesava | "irc, it's where geeks go to uh, argue about operating systems. um." |
| 21:46.09 | Neffi_ | People have to appreciate subtlety. Matrix 1 did it alright. Girl with the Dragon Tattoo did it well. Futurama does it well. What's that other show... |
| 21:47.34 | Neffi_ | In fact any production out there probably has at least a handful of dudes somewhere that could provide great tech consulting |
| 21:47.56 | Neffi_ | walk into the break room, look for the guy that's drinking copious amounts of coffee and ask him "hey does this sound cool?" |
| 21:48.17 | Neffi_ | bam, free writing |
| 21:48.46 | infamousX | anyone interested in a statusbar texture that's halfway between "Flat" and "Ish00"? (AKA: too dull, too bright) |
| 21:50.24 | nevcairiel | Neffi_: futurama is just crazy |
| 21:50.42 | Neffi_ | by crazy do you mean the greatest thing ever made? |
| 21:51.12 | nevcairiel | its too bad i know like every episode by heart, i cant even rewatch it anymore without knowing what happens in the entire ep after 30 seconds |
| 21:51.32 | Neffi_ | with Futurama, either the explanation was 100% plausible (the writer even published a fucking theorem via the show), or so obviously hyperbolic that it's a comedic device |
| 21:54.41 | infamousX | Can someone test this for me please? https://mega.co.nz/#!CkdyXLSR!jQcmCGpty8voi4R5RpgTs08iEYrvgB2PJ0rLD7BxbTY - just want to make sure it works. It's the texture I was talking about. |
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| 21:55.17 | infamousX | Works for me but I don't remember if I added it to another media location or not |
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| 22:20.15 | Cairenn | slaps a trout around with a large Fisker |
| 22:20.36 | Jamash | ~rimshot |
| 22:20.36 | purl | badum-TISH! |
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| 22:28.43 | Fisker | No u Cairenn |
| 22:29.08 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 22:30.00 | Fisker | I will get you one day |
| 22:31.10 | Fisker | And Shirik won't be able to stop me |
| 22:47.26 | Jamash | but what if I stop shirik from not being able to stop fisker? |
| 22:48.07 | Fisker | Then god help us all |
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| 23:17.45 | infamousX | anyone know how to make your a character model appear in weakauras? player and target, specifically? |
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| 23:24.04 | infamousX | done with questions for a while, don't want people to get annoyed with me :D |
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| 23:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 23:34.02 | Mr_Rabies | i have the song from the title sequence of the Dirty Pair movie stuck in my head :( |
| 23:34.35 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z53R0LoeV8c |
| 23:40.09 | Jamash | there's much better anime music you could get stuck |
| 23:40.53 | Mr_Rabies | that song owns i will fite u |
| 23:41.05 | Jamash | some of the Slayers openings, anything by Yoko Kanno, several choice selections from the various iterations of Evangelion |
| 23:41.10 | Mr_Rabies | (also one of the best movie openings) |
| 23:41.13 | Jamash | I could put together a playlist if you like |
| 23:41.24 | Jamash | it was like a james bond intro but less interesting |
| 23:41.39 | Mr_Rabies | most of my phone is full of weeb music i've got a ton |
| 23:42.01 | Jamash | While completely forgettable as an anime, Scryed has some damn good music |
| 23:42.37 | Mr_Rabies | the best yoko kanno song is either Moon from Turn A Gundam or Voices from Macross Plus |
| 23:43.02 | Semlar | karl_w_w: alright, well i figured out that time() + GetQuestResetTime() gives you the timestamp of the quest reset based on your local time zone |
| 23:43.34 | Semlar | like for me it's always 6am, no matter what i set my clock to |
| 23:44.10 | Semlar | so assuming my clock were set to the correct time, it would be accurate, but since it's based on your computer's clock it could be completely wrong |
| 23:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise, stuff like this is my jam, Jamash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qVQ-nej6t8 |
| 23:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | Semlar: there's a GetQuestResetTime() thing? |
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| 23:47.52 | Semlar | it returns the number of seconds until daily quests reset |
| 23:48.00 | Semlar | ..based on your system clock |
| 23:48.15 | Mr_Rabies | then why is altoholic bad at tracking my profession cooldowns? maybe that varies but the questresettime doesn't? |
| 23:48.15 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 23:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | ah, that's why, it's clientside directly, what on earth |
| 23:48.43 | Semlar | professions reset at midnight? |
| 23:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it thinks they reset at 3am for some reason :( |
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| 23:49.08 | Semlar | midnight server or pdt |
| 23:49.09 | Mr_Rabies | (which is midnight pst) |
| 23:49.19 | Mr_Rabies | i think midnight server |
| 23:49.23 | Semlar | when do they ACTUALLY reset |
| 23:49.33 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure it's midnight server |
| 23:49.37 | Semlar | really? |
| 23:50.00 | Semlar | it seems like they'd have made it the same across servers |
| 23:50.03 | Semlar | when they did it to quests |
| 23:50.30 | Semlar | i haven't crafted anything that resets in a while so i'm not sure |
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| 23:56.01 | Jamash | Mr_Rabies: why is that dude robot groping that lady robot's robot boobs |
| 23:56.16 | Jamash | Profession cooldown is midnight server, quest is 3am server |
| 23:56.22 | Mr_Rabies | Jamash: because Go Nagai |
| 23:56.33 | Jamash | Mr_Rabies: can't argue with that |
| 23:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't be a go nagai production if that didn't happen at least once |
| 23:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | (also watch shin mazinger it's amazing) |
| 23:57.42 | Mr_Rabies | kouji inspires zeus to do a damned rocket punch |
| 23:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 23:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | the god |
| 23:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | zeus |
| 23:58.02 | Mr_Rabies | to throw his severed arm to defeat an enemy |
