| 00:12.22 | Shirik | if only he had used Lua instead of JSON |
| 00:12.25 | Shirik | like a real man |
| 00:12.49 | Neffi | if only he had used C++ instead of Lua or JSON. like a real man |
| 00:13.04 | Shirik | I do not believe C++ makes a good data representation :P |
| 00:13.20 | smcn | like a "real man" i'm so tired of these impossible standards of masculinity |
| 00:13.30 | smcn | :P |
| 00:13.31 | TC-Work | Real men use Machine Code. |
| 00:13.35 | Shirik | real men repel cold water |
| 00:13.41 | Neffi | real men use butterflies, TC-Work |
| 00:13.47 | Shirik | ^ |
| 00:14.05 | smcn | real men rely on chaos theory to solve their problems |
| 00:14.13 | foxlit | using Lua would've been easier, so meh. |
| 00:14.25 | TC-Work | No programming with chaos theory. |
| 00:14.25 | smcn | a butterfly flaps its wings in china and all the bugs are removed from your code |
| 00:14.42 | Shirik | don't you have to use spiders to remove bugs? |
| 00:14.52 | Neffi | not removed. moved. they end up in your soup |
| 00:15.08 | smcn | but i don't eat soup so checkmate atheists |
| 00:15.23 | Neffi | christians 1 atheists 0 bugs undefined |
| 00:16.09 | smcn | if a variable is defined but no function references it, does it have a value? |
| 00:16.24 | Neffi | in Lua? no |
| 00:16.35 | Neffi | well... you mean a local? |
| 00:16.44 | TC-Work | Depends how you define value. |
| 00:16.46 | Neffi | a global does, that's just a table key, so a reference is held to it |
| 00:16.52 | foxlit | honestly |
| 00:17.07 | foxlit | next you'll insist on answering "If a tree falls in a forest with no one around, does it make a sound?" |
| 00:17.10 | smcn | oh sorry i'm drunk i was making a play on the adage about a |
| 00:17.15 | Neffi | but unreferenced locals are garbage collected. not sure if the compiler discards them entirely or not |
| 00:17.15 | smcn | EXACTLY WHAT FOXLIT SAID |
| 00:17.52 | TC-Work | Someone go to NY and slap Neffi please. |
| 00:18.10 | Neffi | come at me bro |
| 00:18.29 | TC-Work | hmm...my cousin is there, maybe I can have her do it. |
| 00:18.35 | smcn | i believe that is what he's trying to do |
| 00:19.39 | Neffi | is there a slash command to run a macro? |
| 00:20.51 | smcn | Neffi all i can think of from the top of my head is /click |
| 00:23.12 | foxlit | /runmacro in OPie |
| 00:23.49 | smcn | oppai |
| 00:23.52 | smcn | teehee |
| 00:24.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.08 | smcn | that's all i think of now after that image |
| 00:24.38 | foxlit | that's too many Ps, you're stuttering. |
| 00:26.00 | smcn | ãã£ã±ã |
| 00:27.01 | Semlar | why you break wowpedia neffi-senpai |
| 00:27.29 | foxlit | but that㣠shouldn't be there if you're reading the english version. |
| 00:28.00 | Semlar | it extends the sound yis? |
| 00:28.31 | foxlit | ãªã㨠is probably pronouncible and closer. |
| 00:29.29 | Semlar | but oppai is a word |
| 00:31.23 | foxlit | lots of things are words, Smelar, but few of them are the right words. |
| 00:31.45 | Torhal | Smelar has a nice ring to it. What do you think, Semlar? |
| 00:32.03 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure he was making a pun, not trying to transliterate |
| 00:32.34 | Semlar | i'm not paid to think, torhal |
| 00:32.48 | foxlit | wait, you're being paid at all? |
| 00:33.01 | Torhal | So, based on that statement, I'm to assume that you're paid to type nonsense into an IRC window? |
| 00:33.35 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/USRYv4F.png |
| 00:34.06 | Torhal | Trela: ^ |
| 00:34.07 | Torhal | :/ |
| 00:34.22 | Semlar | hail hydra |
| 00:34.38 | Torhal | beats Semlar about the head with a S.H.I.E.L.D. |
| 00:34.45 | Semlar | dies |
| 00:34.54 | End | home hydra! |
| 00:35.29 | Semlar | gets resurrected in a later episode |
| 00:41.42 | znf | Is anyone familiar with UAM? (Universal Access Method) |
| 00:42.24 | Xuerian | znf: The crowbar? |
| 00:42.30 | znf | heh, no |
| 00:42.48 | znf | you know when you connect to some free wifi hotspot, and it requires you to open up a browser to "login" or something like that? |
| 00:43.28 | smcn | it is known |
| 00:44.40 | znf | I noticed that Windows 8, and if I remember corectly, Windows 7, too, pops up a message telling you that you need to visit a page to be able to use the internet |
| 00:44.46 | znf | so, I'm wondering... how do I trigger that? |
| 00:44.52 | znf | (also iphones, androids etc.) |
| 00:45.06 | foxlit | the phrase you're looking for is "captive portal" |
| 00:45.20 | znf | I know it's not specific to 802.11, it works just fine for wired connections, too |
| 00:45.30 | znf | I know what I'm looking for. I don't want to fully implement a captive portal |
| 00:45.49 | znf | I want to know the internals on how those work |
| 00:45.49 | Semlar | i've never seen that message |
| 00:46.21 | znf | Semlar, http://i.stack.imgur.com/Ppz3v.png |
| 00:47.14 | Semlar | i may have ignored it, but i don't remember seeing that when i go to a hotel or something and open the browser and have to log in |
| 00:47.45 | znf | You don't necesarly have to login in the classic way of putting it |
| 00:47.59 | znf | think of "visiting a page and accepting some terms" as "login" |
| 00:48.15 | znf | or simply visiting a specific website (like your $venue's website), then you're considered "logged on" |
| 00:49.09 | Simca | most places i've visited just used some router trickery to refuse clients access to anything accept the place's home page until they accepted |
| 00:49.19 | Simca | airports and hotels and such |
| 00:49.31 | kd3 | what normally happens is you've got a very short-lived dhcp lease (<30 sec) and going to any http site gets dns poisoned to redirect to the login page |
| 00:49.46 | Simca | accept = except* |
| 00:49.51 | kd3 | once you get logged in, the router gives you a different, longer-lived dhcp lease with a different ip address/subnet |
| 00:50.36 | znf | I know how they work, I've set up plenty for lots of customers using gear like Mikrotik's RouterBoards or UniFi. I'm just wondering how the hell do they implement this windows thingie. |
| 00:50.49 | znf | kd3, not all do that |
| 00:50.59 | foxlit | 1. Send an HTTP request to a known-good host. |
| 00:51.03 | foxlit | 2. Watch that request fail and burn |
| 00:51.11 | foxlit | 3. You need to authenticate. |
| 00:51.13 | znf | kd3, Mikrotik's solution doesn't do that |
| 00:51.16 | End | oh boo, fullscreen windowed is crashing to desktop |
| 00:51.23 | Semlar | are you sure it's something you have to set up to make windows pop up a message |
| 00:51.28 | znf | End, no; changing video settings crashes |
| 00:51.29 | Simca | foxlit I think he's asking how to trigger the MS message |
| 00:51.39 | znf | Semlar, nope; Not sure. |
| 00:51.50 | znf | But that thing doesn't pop-up for no reason; not as foxlit simplified it |
| 00:52.16 | Semlar | it seems like windows possibly just fails to load one of their pages despite being connected to the network and pops that up or something |
| 00:52.18 | znf | I mean, not being able to reach that host could mean network outages, not necesarly authentification requirement |
| 00:52.42 | znf | http://blog.superuser.com/2011/05/16/windows-7-network-awareness/ |
| 00:52.47 | znf | let's see |
| 00:53.46 | End | whew, I still had my WTF settings from live |
| 00:54.02 | Semlar | NCIS: WIFI |
| 00:54.48 | Xuerian | snorts. |
| 00:55.15 | foxlit | if you have no internet connectivity, then the HTTP request fails because nothing picks up |
| 00:55.32 | foxlit | if someone is actively hijacking your network, your HTTP request succeeds but returns unexpected content. |
| 00:56.40 | znf | I was hoping for something more standardised across platforms |
| 00:56.48 | znf | mkay, so... how does Android / iOS do it? :D |
| 00:56.58 | kd3 | probably something much like what MS does |
| 00:57.00 | Semlar | probably the same way |
| 00:57.01 | foxlit | Exactly the same 1-2-3 dance above. |
| 00:57.08 | znf | damn it |
| 00:57.25 | foxlit | In short, if you want to trigger that prompt, just hijack network access until the client authenticates to your satisfaction. |
| 00:58.05 | znf | I'm actually looking for a way to block our customers internet access when they don't pay, while providing some sort of feedback to them |
| 00:58.26 | foxlit | So drop everything but port 80. |
| 00:58.26 | znf | because simply dropping all their connections, or disabling their lease etc. always leads to some calls |
| 00:58.28 | kd3 | then you want a captive portal? |
| 00:58.33 | foxlit | And redirect port 80 to a page that says "pay me" |
| 00:58.43 | znf | foxlit, "my internet is not working!" |
| 00:58.54 | znf | "did you open up your browser?" |
| 00:59.07 | znf | "oh... no... I didn't, I just opened $app" |
| 00:59.09 | Simca | what's wrong with kd3's solution then |
| 00:59.25 | Semlar | i think opening their browser is probably going to be the first thing someone does to see if their internet is functioning |
| 00:59.28 | znf | would be too complex to set up a captive portal for the whole network |
| 00:59.33 | znf | Semlar, that's what I thought. |
| 00:59.47 | znf | Semlar, years of experience with clients proved me wrong |
| 00:59.55 | Semlar | ... |
| 00:59.57 | kd3 | no? I've been in some pretty massive installations that do captive portals |
| 01:00.20 | Semlar | well maybe they should pay their bill |
| 01:00.23 | kd3 | take a pick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_portal#Implementation |
| 01:00.28 | znf | kd3, when we started providing internet services, we did that |
| 01:00.40 | znf | we abandoned it after ~two years or so |
| 01:00.47 | znf | was too inflexible at that time for our needs |
| 01:02.25 | znf | but, anyway, that article gives me some ideas |
| 01:03.02 | Semlar | evil ideas? |
| 01:03.08 | znf | no :-( |
| 01:03.13 | Semlar | why not |
| 01:03.53 | Simca | anyone have a toon on the beta that is level 91-99? |
| 01:04.11 | smcn | yes |
| 01:04.30 | smcn | Simca i do |
| 01:04.42 | Simca | could you screencap the tooltip for /script print('Shift click to link:', '\124cffe6cc80\124Hitem:105674:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h[Hellscream\'s Barrier]\124h\124r') |
| 01:04.55 | smcn | will do have to log back in though |
| 01:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | so there's no way for 10 man heroic raid groups to continue in mythic once 6.0 hits right? we'll need to recruit before SoO? |
| 01:05.08 | smcn | i guess i shouldn't have logged out |
| 01:05.18 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 01:05.27 | znf | Mr_Rabies, yes. |
| 01:05.29 | Mr_Rabies | so there's no way for 10 man heroic raid groups to continue in mythic once 6.0 hits right? we'll need to recruit 10 more before continuing our progress now that it'll by mythic |
| 01:05.30 | smcn | stuck on retrieving char list again. ugh |
| 01:05.37 | Mr_Rabies | be mythic, jeez i can't type |
| 01:05.37 | znf | Mr_Rabies, you're screwed. |
| 01:05.40 | znf | Time to disband |
| 01:05.40 | znf | :D |
| 01:05.43 | smcn | lol |
| 01:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | our realm is so dead |
| 01:05.50 | Mr_Rabies | we can't even field 10 |
| 01:05.56 | smcn | aw |
| 01:06.02 | Mr_Rabies | we do one night a week because that's the only time we can field 10 |
| 01:06.14 | Simca | i felt that way then 3 weeks ago we got merged finally |
| 01:06.27 | Simca | (we were the lowest pop realm at the time) |
| 01:06.30 | Mr_Rabies | we got merged and we're still dead |
| 01:06.47 | smcn | which realm? |
| 01:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | llane-arygos |
| 01:07.45 | smcn | oq it up :P mythic will still be cross-realm for soo |
| 01:08.04 | znf | I'd rather die alone on a realm than use oq |
| 01:08.08 | smcn | but i guess that doesn't solve the problem when wod comes along |
| 01:08.14 | smcn | lol |
| 01:08.22 | smcn | idk my 25-man has been using it alright |
| 01:08.28 | foxlit | meh, if the pop is still low at wod launch, they'll merge more realms |
| 01:08.35 | Simca | yeah |
| 01:08.41 | smcn | we killed 8/14 heroic last week |
| 01:08.42 | znf | the idea is great, but the implementaion of that piece of shit addon? |
| 01:08.43 | znf | no way |
| 01:08.46 | Simca | they're probably worried about merging too rapidly right now |
| 01:08.50 | znf | and the author is a dickhead |
| 01:08.58 | Simca | because WoD could put merged realms at Full status |
| 01:09.24 | smcn | idk sometimes you have to separate a creator from her or his work |
| 01:09.34 | smcn | (does not apply to adam baldwin) |
| 01:09.43 | znf | does not apply to this retarded addon, sorry |
| 01:09.47 | Mr_Rabies | can't even OQ it, smcn |
| 01:09.48 | smcn | lol |
| 01:09.56 | Mr_Rabies | or OR |
| 01:10.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Mr_Rabies (~mrrabies@162.243.30.25) |
| 01:10.44 | Mr_Rabies | no one wants to join a raid that's working on downing heroic shamans and nazgrim |
| 01:10.46 | foxlit | Simca: indeed. |
| 01:11.19 | Mr_Rabies | we'll probably just stop raiding until december then |
| 01:11.22 | foxlit | Can't really split things back apart |
| 01:11.45 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think our connected realm will ever be at risk of being full |
| 01:11.59 | Mr_Rabies | not with just us and arygos |
| 01:12.39 | Mr_Rabies | they really should have a legacy heroic mode for SoO |
| 01:12.48 | Mr_Rabies | for 10-25 :| |
| 01:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | 10/25 |
| 01:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | rather |
| 01:13.10 | smcn | Simca: finally got logged in https://i.imgur.com/3rnueFb.jpg |
| 01:14.14 | znf | Mr_Rabies, they do |
| 01:14.18 | znf | it's even called heroic |
| 01:14.18 | znf | ^^ |
| 01:14.24 | Simca | thanks a bunch smcn |
| 01:14.25 | smcn | that's normal :P |
| 01:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | they really shouldn't take out what's there especially when it's gonna be so turbulent |
| 01:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a great idea at all |
| 01:15.17 | Mr_Rabies | there are no 25 man guilds on my realm, so it's just causing chaos with the 10 man heroic guilds for no good reason |
| 01:17.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's a good idea to do the new flexible normal and heroic mode but for 10 man guilds currently progressing in heroic it's like "take a break until around december, i know you probably want to keep attempting bosses but you can't sorry" |
| 01:18.14 | foxlit | how long has this raid tier been live for, Mr_Rabies? |
| 01:18.25 | Mr_Rabies | an entire year |
| 01:18.36 | foxlit | when do you think the pre-expansion patch will land? |
| 01:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | still doesn't mean it makes sense to cut off people like myself |
| 01:18.42 | Mr_Rabies | october 14 |
| 01:19.16 | znf | Mr_Rabies, yes it does |
| 01:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | why is that, znf? |
| 01:19.36 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really see the benefits |
| 01:19.38 | znf | because I'm sick of the debate if 10 or 25 is the "better" tier |
| 01:19.48 | znf | I'm sick of weird competition between 10 and 25 |
| 01:20.01 | foxlit | so around a month of pre-expansion stuff? |
| 01:20.07 | znf | and it was about damn time they made flexible raiding |
| 01:20.10 | Mr_Rabies | i mean i agree that 20 mythic is a good idea |
| 01:20.17 | Mr_Rabies | but doing it to SoO is a terrible one |
| 01:20.18 | znf | and only one damn true raid difficulty |
| 01:20.30 | znf | it's been, what? 14 months? |
| 01:20.32 | znf | of SoO? |
| 01:20.35 | znf | this shit can't end faster |
| 01:20.41 | znf | if you haven't killed it until now... well... |
| 01:20.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically just gonna cause chaos where they could let it be more gradual |
| 01:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | our realm's dead, we can't field 10 regularly at any point |
| 01:21.12 | kd3 | more gradual than... 13 months of one raid tier? |
| 01:21.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's been dead for probably 8 of those 12 months since SoO |
| 01:21.31 | znf | swap realms already |
| 01:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | gradual being as you progress to mythic naturally in WoD |
| 01:21.38 | znf | I don't get you people |
| 01:21.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not paying to fix blizzard's problem |
| 01:21.43 | znf | "this game sucks" |
| 01:21.45 | znf | "my realm is dead" |
| 01:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's their problem, not mine |
| 01:21.54 | znf | you're the one not enjoying the game |
| 01:21.57 | Mr_Rabies | why would i give them money |
| 01:21.58 | znf | why do you keep paying for it? |
| 01:22.03 | znf | you're giving them money already |
| 01:22.07 | Mr_Rabies | i ask myself the same question, honestly |
| 01:22.07 | znf | for something you don't enjoy |
| 01:22.13 | Mr_Rabies | and a lot of other do the same |
| 01:22.20 | Mr_Rabies | they quit, making the problem worse |
| 01:22.25 | Mr_Rabies | or they transfer, making the problem worse |
| 01:22.56 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not gonna pay for someone else's problem, and i'm not gonna make the problem worse |
| 01:23.06 | znf | best decision regarding this game was to transfer from a dead realm to a high pop one |
| 01:23.08 | znf | worth the hour long queues |
| 01:23.27 | Xuerian | znf: It's hard to claim that detrimentally low population is a problem individual players should have to pay to solve |
| 01:23.45 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it really makes no sense |
| 01:23.48 | Xuerian | Not that it is always the case, but when it is |
| 01:24.33 | Mr_Rabies | i mean you can feel great about lining their pockets with transfer money that makes them not want to fix the problem all you want |
| 01:24.36 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm not going to |
| 01:24.57 | znf | then don't transfer |
| 01:24.58 | znf | make a new char |
| 01:24.59 | znf | boom |
| 01:25.01 | Mr_Rabies | as long as people keep paying those insane rates to transfer they're going to keep doing it |
| 01:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner quit than do either of those |
| 01:25.12 | Mr_Rabies | as would thousands of others |
| 01:25.25 | znf | it's not blizzards problem |
| 01:25.28 | znf | it's a social problem |
| 01:25.36 | znf | that only you, the community, can solve |
| 01:25.40 | znf | community is unwilling |
| 01:25.43 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, morons keep transferring away |
| 01:25.48 | Xuerian | znf: Arenanet and Carbine seem perfectly willing to solve it. |
| 01:25.59 | Xuerian | And judging by how fast WoD got housing, Blizzard cares what they do ;) |
| 01:26.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely a problem blizzard can fix |
| 01:26.06 | znf | but you keep paying those $15 a month for something you don't enjoy |
| 01:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | for now, yeah |
| 01:26.26 | znf | Xuerian, carbine and arenanet don't have half of WoW's player base, together. |
| 01:26.28 | Mr_Rabies | i enjoy it, but it breaks the game heavily |
| 01:26.50 | Mr_Rabies | it's not my problem that they opened up too many realms and leave transfers open to full realms |
| 01:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's not my problem the player base insists on paying to further consolidate to fix blizzard's problem |
| 01:27.16 | znf | You have solutions that are unwilling to accept. Your fault. |
| 01:27.28 | znf | You don't even have to move ALL your damn chars |
| 01:27.31 | znf | move one |
| 01:27.34 | Mr_Rabies | not happening |
| 01:27.42 | znf | shrug, whatever |
| 01:27.54 | Mr_Rabies | if they were free, maybe |
| 01:28.12 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm certainly not paying to fix someone else's problem and also make the problem worse |
| 01:28.32 | znf | enjoy paying $15/month for something you don't enjoy playing instead of paying, what, $20 (a couple of beers) to transfer to somewhere else |
| 01:29.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's more than 20 and also where are beers $10 each |
| 01:29.41 | Torhal | High-gravity Belgian at a bar. |
| 01:30.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a real solution to the problem by any means |
| 01:31.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's a selfish way to pay for a bandaid solution that may or may not work |
| 01:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | who's to say THAT server won't die, and because blizzard's discentivized from coming up with solutions because people are literally paying them to keep it broken, it's still not solved |
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| 01:38.39 | Mr_Rabies | we're making decent progress doing 3 hours a week but even that isn't guaranteedw |
| 01:38.53 | Mr_Rabies | we're having to pug the 10th spot almost weekly now for months |
| 01:39.13 | Mr_Rabies | and sometimes we just can't find anyone |
| 01:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | every time we'd recruit replacements we'd lose them in a few months because they blew up about gear or started drama, etc |
| 01:39.45 | Mr_Rabies | we were pulling from the bottom of the pool for months, but still |
| 01:40.26 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that they still haven't fixed the dead server problem after all this time is pretty inexcusable |
| 01:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | they're making bank off of transfers, but they're losing a ton of subs in the process |
| 02:00.08 | Mr_Rabies | sweet chatkill, rabies |
| 02:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | wow |
| 02:13.40 | Mr_Rabies | our realm first garrosh was like |
| 02:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | monday |
| 02:13.52 | Mr_Rabies | heroic garrosh |
| 02:15.01 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: US or EU? |
| 02:15.07 | Mr_Rabies | US |
| 02:15.16 | Primer | What time/days? |
| 02:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | for what? |
| 02:15.27 | Primer | said raid |
| 02:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | our raid group? |
| 02:15.44 | Primer | I have a 582 SP and I'd like to put that feather in my cap |
| 02:15.50 | Primer | yes... |
| 02:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | we're 9pm-midnight on tuesday right now |
| 02:15.57 | Primer | what have you been talking about this whole time? |
| 02:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | wednesday is a pipe dream |
| 02:16.05 | Primer | Time zone? |
| 02:16.11 | Mr_Rabies | we're only 6/14, though |
| 02:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | EDT, sorry |
| 02:16.39 | Primer | yeah, if it was pacific I'd volunteer |
| 02:16.42 | Primer | but that's too early for me |
| 02:16.55 | Primer | I often don't get home from work before 8PM pacific |
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| 03:09.04 | Arrowmaster | amazon comes through it seems, my order from last wednesday has finally shipped and they split it into two shipments, the one with the stuff i want before friday night is scheduled to arrive tomorrow, the rest should arrive saturday lol |
| 03:12.17 | Thunder_Child_ | What's really creepy is if they knew that..... |
| 03:19.26 | Arrowmaster | its amazon, i dont doubt they did |
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| 03:34.53 | Thunder_Child_ | If it was google I would agree. I don't think amazon has quite that much penetration. |
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| 05:42.40 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 05:44.35 | Mr_Rabies | trying to macro this so that btn:2 is /focus and btn:1 is the cast part, but can't figure it out |
| 05:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | /cast [@focus,exists]Tricks of The Trade; Tricks of the Trade |
| 05:45.02 | Mr_Rabies | /focus [btn:2] |
| 05:47.37 | Primer | I only ever do @mouseover macros. Those are the best. |
| 05:48.24 | tlund | Mr_Rabies: for the second line, shouldn't it be /focus [exists,btn:2] |
| 05:48.40 | tlund | (and @target, but that is implied) |
| 05:49.32 | Primer | Been using them even as DPS. Most of my abilities are mouseover macros. I can stand there and DPS/fear an enemy without ever targeting them. They don't know what hit them. |
| 05:49.56 | Primer | Chaos bolt incoming...but where? |
| 05:50.14 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, tlund but the second line works fine |
| 05:50.31 | tlund | ah, wait |
| 05:50.45 | tlund | the first line will always trigger, because there is no conditional on the second spell |
| 05:50.52 | Primer | but yeah, seems you need @target |
| 05:51.06 | tlund | /cast [@focus,exists]Tricks of The Trade; [@target,exists] Tricks of the Trade |
| 05:51.15 | tlund | /focus [@target,btn:2] |
| 05:51.21 | tlund | to be explicit |
| 05:51.39 | Primer | or you could just: /cast [@focus,exits] [] ToT |
| 05:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | problem is |
| 05:52.20 | Mr_Rabies | if i use btn2, it still casts tricks of the trade |
| 05:52.21 | Primer | for the first line, of course |
| 05:52.33 | Primer | duh? |
| 05:52.41 | Primer | you're still clicking it |
| 05:52.56 | Mr_Rabies | i want it to not do that, only when i'm using btn:1 |
| 05:53.11 | Primer | I think the most revealing part is that you're a clicker |
| 05:53.15 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 05:53.21 | Mr_Rabies | keybinding is the same as btn:1, right? |
| 05:53.35 | Primer | surely not |
| 05:53.45 | Mr_Rabies | fairly certain it is, lets see |
| 05:54.30 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 05:54.34 | Mr_Rabies | well, wowpedia is ded |
| 05:57.58 | Mr_Rabies | If your macro is activated by a keybinding, [button:1] will always be true. As an example, here is the macro I use for mounting: |
| 05:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | oh duh |
| 05:59.10 | Mr_Rabies | i see why tlund |
| 05:59.47 | Mr_Rabies | #showtooltip |
| 05:59.47 | Mr_Rabies | /cast [nobtn:2, @focus,exists]Tricks of The Trade; [nobtn:2]Tricks of the Trade |
| 05:59.47 | Mr_Rabies | /focus [btn:2] |
| 06:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | extra space removed :p |
| 06:00.35 | karl_w_w | 'credit card' must have become a dirty term in the banking industry |
| 06:00.49 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:00.55 | Dagmar | It's their primary profit center now |
| 06:01.02 | Dagmar | Not their "investments" |
| 06:01.05 | karl_w_w | because I just got one of those 'you have been pre-approved' letters from my bank and it doesnt say 'credit card' on it anywhere |
| 06:01.22 | Dagmar | People are getting wise about what credit cards actually represent |
| 06:03.08 | karl_w_w | late payment fee is $5 |
| 06:03.18 | karl_w_w | seems unusually fair |
| 06:03.26 | Dagmar | Probably triples the interest |
| 06:04.04 | karl_w_w | i doubt it, my bank is really good about things like that |
| 06:04.22 | karl_w_w | though I'm not getting a card so i wont bother to find out :P |
| 06:04.34 | Dagmar | It's _possible_ that they might be deciding they need to take a more long-term approach |
| 06:05.06 | Dagmar | ...which would dictate that perhaps you *not* fuck your customers quite as hard as you can get away with, because it harms customers long-term and impacts their ability to generate more revenue for you |
| 06:05.06 | karl_w_w | there's 4 major banks in australia and I think this is their strategy to distinguish themselves |
| 06:06.32 | Dagmar | "shareholder interest" puts a limit on how long-term you can plan |
| 06:06.32 | karl_w_w | there's commonwealth bank that is innovative and very tech savvy, nab which has honest/fair fees, westpac which... i guess they're known for accidentally giving people millions of dollars, and anz which is the boring one |
| 06:07.22 | karl_w_w | http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/24/world/asia/new-zealand-accidental-millionaire-sentenced/ |
| 06:07.27 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:07.46 | Dagmar | Yeah you're going to get into trouble if it costs them enough to make it worth prosecuting you |
| 06:07.57 | Dagmar | It doesn't really matter whose fault it actually was |
| 06:08.54 | Dagmar | If dude had just made cash withdrawals and thrown it at strippers, he would have been fine |
| 06:09.04 | karl_w_w | In less than one month, the couple withdrew $6.8M from Gao's bank account and transferred it to accounts in Hong Kong and China. |
| 06:09.11 | karl_w_w | how is that even possible |
| 06:09.29 | Dagmar | You go to the bank and fill out the forms. |
| 06:09.53 | karl_w_w | I guess the tellers don't really look at it |
| 06:09.58 | karl_w_w | just another customer |
| 06:10.03 | Dagmar | Basically, yeah |
| 06:10.30 | Dagmar | ...and it's in your best interests to not give people who appear to have piles of money any shit about it in case they want to bring more money back to you later. |
| 06:10.54 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 06:11.34 | karl_w_w | if a rich customer doesn't feel like they're being treated like royalty they might just pick another bank |
| 06:11.51 | karl_w_w | at which point the person who didnt treat them right is also looking for another bank... to work at |
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| 06:37.21 | Neffi | whoa. lian li just made a desk with a case built in http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/dk-02/ |
| 06:37.39 | nevcairiel | "just" |
| 06:37.41 | nevcairiel | its old news |
| 06:37.58 | Neffi | oh, ok :| |
| 06:38.04 | nevcairiel | and review sites mostly said it had loads of flaws |
| 06:38.59 | Mr_Rabies | i only buy lian li train cases |
| 06:39.02 | Mr_Rabies | put everything in trains |
| 06:39.57 | Neffi | ties Mr_Rabies to a train |
| 06:40.33 | Neffi | nevcairiel: I thought it just was... weird. I don't even like Lian Li cases all that much |
| 06:41.03 | Mr_Rabies | they used to be great but they really rested on their laurels |
| 06:42.11 | Neffi | The designs are practical and well built, yeah. But they're not particularly attractive, or very compact |
| 06:45.09 | Mr_Rabies | and haven't really moved with case design changes with time |
| 06:45.18 | Mr_Rabies | they're pretty much still doing teh same thing they did in 2005 |
| 06:45.33 | Simca | yeah i don't think a computer in a desk is a good idea for most people |
| 06:46.10 | Simca | at least for people who are tall/have long legs; that's killer thickness |
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| 06:49.08 | Simca | yeah that's terrible - http://www.lian-li.com/tw/files/2013/12/dk01-f-06.png |
| 06:55.00 | Dagmar | Well, if you give up the idea of "OMG MUST HAVE GIANT LOCAL STORAGE" you can freaking _hide_ a Beagle in normal desk |
| 06:55.10 | Dagmar | ...or just tape it to the back of your monitor. |
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| 06:55.59 | nevcairiel | my PC has no huge local storage in it, yet any high-performance system isnt going to be tiny |
| 06:57.55 | Neffi | depends how you defined 'high performance' |
| 06:58.19 | nevcairiel | anything with a high-end graphics card |
| 06:58.36 | Neffi | A? |
| 06:58.49 | Neffi | Node 304 could fit a GTX 780 Ti |
| 06:58.54 | Neffi | and it's pretty tiny |
| 06:59.25 | nevcairiel | lets say with room for 2 then! |
| 06:59.44 | Neffi | bump up to mATX then ;) |
| 07:00.03 | Neffi | I don't like huge cases. You can fit all the cool stuff in a modest size. Mid tower is big enough |
| 07:00.12 | nevcairiel | matx would work for many things, but thats already the size of the monitor itself, not something you hide behind its back |
| 07:00.54 | Neffi | no, that's crazy. let's beat up Dagmar for suggesting it |
| 07:01.07 | nevcairiel | i dont like too small cases, as they end up with thermal problems and get noisy oftentimes |
| 07:04.10 | plaw | crazeee code of the week! |
| 07:04.13 | plaw | https://code.google.com/p/corkami/source/detail?r=1906 |
| 07:04.17 | plaw | 'a JPEG that becomes a PNG after AES encryption and a PDF after 3DES decryption' |
| 07:11.02 | Simca | that link was so amazing it broke chrome http://i.imgur.com/1AaYkFD.png |
| 07:13.50 | Fisker | I AM THE ONE WHO BREAKS CHROME |
| 07:13.57 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 07:16.39 | Simca | hey Fisker of Q, breaker of Chrome |
| 07:20.38 | Fisker | Good |
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| 07:38.16 | Kalroth | dont kick the chrome |
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| 07:39.02 | Fisker | Hey Kalroth |
| 07:39.20 | Kalroth | god morgen frøken solskin |
| 07:41.37 | Fisker | :/ |
| 07:43.50 | sb | :D |
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| 08:33.32 | zenzelezz | now this is something I haven't encountered before... http://wowpedia.org/Veiled_Stair |
| 08:34.07 | Semlar | i have http://i.imgur.com/USRYv4F.png |
| 08:34.13 | Semlar | hail hydra! |
| 08:35.13 | Semlar | i think torhal tried to bring it to someone's attention when i posted it earlier |
| 08:36.01 | Semlar | trela? |
| 08:41.27 | karl_w_w | what's a beagle? |
| 08:41.39 | karl_w_w | Dagmar |
| 08:45.25 | zenzelezz | a dog |
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| 08:50.19 | Semlar | a boat |
| 08:54.39 | Mr_Rabies | a musical instrument |
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| 11:32.03 | zenzelezz | heh... friend works as a developer on a webshop, and one of his developer colleagues went to the sales department to ask them whether or not there should be VAT on something in particular. When he came back, my friend asked "should there or shouldn't there?". "Both. Schrödinger's VAT" |
| 11:35.07 | Kalroth | :D |
| 11:49.01 | karl_w_w | zenzelezz, obviously if it's in biscuit form there is VAT but if it's a cake then not |
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| 13:10.38 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:11.07 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, my delicious jelly-filled donuts. |
| 13:11.15 | Lopeppeppy | (I really should get up early enough to eat breakfast, no?) |
| 13:14.04 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 13:14.05 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter if I get up at 06 or 12, I still can't eat until some hours later |
| 13:16.54 | Lopeppeppy | I have a 1 hour commute, and by the time I get here I'm freakin' starving. At home I can't be arsed to even make toast, I'm not awake enough yet. |
| 13:17.32 | karl_w_w | you need some sort of commutable breakfast |
| 13:17.36 | karl_w_w | unless you drive |
| 13:18.22 | karl_w_w | they should make porridge that comes in those self-heating cans |
| 13:19.30 | Lopeppeppy | I've tried to make toast and bring it in the car. By the time I'm out of city traffic and can eat it, it's nasty and cold. I may need to invest in Pop Tarts or granola bars. |
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| 13:43.34 | Fisker | pølsehorn Lopeppeppy |
| 13:44.15 | Lopeppeppy | Is that contagious? |
| 13:50.11 | karl_w_w | why Fisker |
| 13:50.21 | Fisker | nah Lopeppeppy |
| 13:50.22 | Fisker | It's food |
| 13:50.50 | karl_w_w | pølse i svøb |
| 13:50.54 | karl_w_w | don't go american |
| 13:52.44 | Lopeppeppy | I am in with Cogwheel - I'll try anything once if it's not toxic or poisonous. |
| 13:53.59 | karl_w_w | you've probably already tried both Lopeppeppy |
| 13:54.45 | Lopeppeppy | Probably, but not on purpose. |
| 13:55.24 | karl_w_w | they're both pigs in blankets, american style (sausage wrapped in pastry) and british style (wrapped in bacon) |
| 13:56.26 | karl_w_w | in fairness the american ones would stay hot longer so would be better for taking in the car to work, but they're just not as yummy :P |
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| 14:05.43 | nevcairiel | how about bacon and bread! |
| 14:07.49 | Arrowmaster | ill skip the bread and just have the bacon |
| 14:13.19 | Trela | Semlar: Boop. |
| 14:13.32 | Semlar | :O |
| 14:13.50 | Semlar | Trela: http://wowpedia.org/Veiled_Stair |
| 14:14.08 | Trela | Yep, we know. I am going in to work to mostly likely work on that exact issue right now. |
| 14:19.24 | Semlar | ^_^ |
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| 15:29.37 | Fisker | I am soaked Lopeppeppy |
| 15:35.08 | Lopeppeppy | Get a towel, Fisker. |
| 15:35.37 | Fisker | I did |
| 15:40.16 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:47.44 | Fisker | oh my god foxlit |
| 15:47.48 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/Gy8oVva.jpg :) |
| 15:47.55 | Fisker | My mind has been blown |
| 15:48.11 | Fisker | The hex is amazing |
| 15:53.35 | nevcairiel | foxlit: your access to a global with the name "c" is certainly a mistake :P |
| 15:53.47 | foxlit | yes. there's also a "guest" in there. |
| 15:54.32 | foxlit | "atype" |
| 15:55.30 | foxlit | I should do soemthing to emphasize those more; they kind of get lost in the sea of api/framexml accesses. |
| 15:56.40 | nevcairiel | the global checker i used supports a comment syntax in the code file where I can list all globals used |
| 15:56.50 | nevcairiel | also, it doesnt count globals read on file scope |
| 15:57.01 | nevcairiel | so you can upvalue without it complaining too much |
| 15:57.31 | nevcairiel | ie http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ |
| 15:57.48 | foxlit | I don't want to maintain a set of comments. |
| 15:59.16 | foxlit | heh, my parser choked on a = nil (b and c or d):Show() |
| 15:59.38 | foxlit | "You can't call nil, I demand an operator here!" |
| 16:04.03 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:86840713820e9b0405078fe0a3202755 |
| 16:04.54 | nevcairiel | why does it list both table and table.concat |
| 16:04.59 | nevcairiel | thats kinda redundant |
| 16:06.51 | nevcairiel | and only one unwanted access found! |
| 16:06.59 | nevcairiel | which is a typo |
| 16:07.08 | nevcairiel | (and i already fixed in the WoD version) |
| 16:07.18 | foxlit | because it might be interesting to do something with those keys. |
| 16:10.07 | foxlit | (it might make sense to hide table if table.foo is present, but meh, it avoids surprise of "I removed table.foo because I don't want to touch table, and I still have table references!") |
| 16:10.36 | nevcairiel | sort by name maybe? |
| 16:10.40 | nevcairiel | so they are at least all grouped |
| 16:11.29 | foxlit | this sorts by first appearance, but name would also make sense. |
| 16:11.43 | nevcairiel | i figured thats what its doing right now |
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| 16:31.36 | foxlit | so added sorting. |
| 16:31.50 | nevcairiel | neat |
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| 16:41.08 | Workfoz | foxlit's custom tailored coding services |
| 16:57.37 | TC-Work | "kâeys" Uh., what? |
| 16:58.29 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oooo oooo Dreeeeeeeeeam-weavah! |
| 17:03.36 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.36 | purl | lowers Lopeppeppy's priority |
| 17:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff sniff* |
| 17:04.31 | TC-Work | For saying Dreamweaver and getting 'Mr. Plow' stuck in my head. |
| 17:04.31 | Fisker | ~lart TC-Work |
| 17:04.31 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on TC-Work |
| 17:04.38 | TC-Work | ~dodge Fisker |
| 17:04.38 | purl | at the last second tc-work dodges out of the way of Fisker's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
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| 17:29.51 | nevcairiel | hey Fisker |
| 17:30.15 | Fisker | oh oh |
| 17:30.33 | Fisker | I want to buy a chromebook now nevcairiel |
| 17:30.55 | nevcairiel | no you dont |
| 17:31.05 | Fisker | I do |
| 17:31.35 | Alram | it is because it can emulate android apps now Fisker |
| 17:31.36 | nevcairiel | but those suck |
| 17:31.40 | Fisker | Maybe Alram |
| 17:31.49 | Alram | because i dont believe in that yet |
| 17:31.51 | nevcairiel | you can emulate androids apps on your pc! |
| 17:32.17 | Fisker | Yeah nevcairiel |
| 17:32.36 | Fisker | I don't get why they don't put it on desktop chrome either |
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| 17:35.46 | Fisker | TNG in worst quality complete Alram |
| 17:36.17 | Fisker | oh the chromebook I want isn't in stock for a month nevcairiel |
| 17:36.20 | Fisker | phew I dodged a bullet |
| 17:46.27 | Kalroth | you wont dodge the next though |
| 17:51.01 | Fisker | Who says I'm not neo Kalroth ? |
| 17:52.35 | Fisker | :( Lopeppeppy Kalroth is questioning my ability to be the one |
| 17:53.21 | Kalroth | aww |
| 17:53.28 | Kalroth | you're the one to me, that's what counts! |
| 18:05.26 | Fisker | :( |
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| 18:22.37 | Semlar | would GetQuestResetTime be a reliable function to use for comparing timestamps between two people running an addon |
| 18:23.48 | nevcairiel | wouldnt that be server time |
| 18:24.15 | Semlar | well the players could be on different servers |
| 18:24.40 | Semlar | i need a function that returns a consistent time value |
| 18:25.29 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6UQawTuBY hahah |
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| 18:26.02 | Semlar | and i think they made the quest reset time the same for everyone who can play together, pretty much |
| 18:29.03 | Semlar | but i don't know if i call GetQuestResetTime whether it's possible that someone else on my friend's list might have a different value for it |
| 18:30.12 | nevcairiel | oceanics might |
| 18:30.32 | Semlar | i think they do have a different reset time |
| 18:30.51 | nevcairiel | not sure about the other different timezone servers |
| 18:30.55 | nevcairiel | they may have unified those |
| 18:31.14 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure when they added CRZ they made it so anyone you might be playing with all had the same quest reset time |
| 18:31.25 | nevcairiel | you can play with oceanics |
| 18:31.30 | Semlar | are you sure about that |
| 18:31.47 | Semlar | i'm almost positive they show up on the LFR and you can't group with them |
| 18:32.10 | nevcairiel | ask one of our australian friends here to try |
| 18:32.16 | nevcairiel | but i'm pretty sure you can group with them |
| 18:32.16 | Semlar | well, i mean i think you could join their group and then not see them |
| 18:32.25 | Semlar | i know there were issues reported about that |
| 18:32.53 | Semlar | like if you joined their raid group you wouldn't be able to interact with their group |
| 18:33.25 | Semlar | but i don't know if they ever fixed that |
| 18:34.49 | karl_w_w | you can group from oceania to US |
| 18:34.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.04 | Semlar | you could join their group but you couldn't actually do anything with them |
| 18:35.06 | karl_w_w | you can't see other group members unless inside an instance |
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| 18:36.05 | Semlar | oh i see because they have a different reset time they made it so you can't join their server and interact with their npcs |
| 18:36.06 | karl_w_w | it's the same behaviour as if they are permanently in a different phase when you are in the outside world |
| 18:37.23 | karl_w_w | that thread reminds me, have blizzard made wow night time dark yet? |
| 18:37.58 | karl_w_w | im sure some of that grammar is wrong |
| 18:39.00 | Semlar | yeah |
| 18:39.10 | Semlar | on the beta it was a lot more obvious that it was night time |
| 18:39.43 | Semlar | i don't know when they broke that on live |
| 18:39.46 | Semlar | it was a long time ago |
| 18:41.12 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:41.24 | karl_w_w | probably start of wrath or something |
| 18:41.36 | nevcairiel | better night effect should be coming in wod though |
| 18:41.43 | Semlar | i noticed it in talador, at least, it was waaay darker at night than it was during the day |
| 18:42.10 | Semlar | i thought i had logged in at a different location than i had logged off |
| 18:42.23 | nevcairiel | it used to be like that long ago, but then they broke it |
| 18:42.50 | Fisker | rude Alram |
| 18:42.53 | Alram | rude |
| 18:42.58 | Fisker | There are like no vm-builds of Chrome OS that works |
| 18:43.00 | Semlar | what i'm not sure is whether it's based on realm or local time |
| 18:43.08 | nevcairiel | realm of course |
| 18:43.13 | Fisker | Now I have to buy one |
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| 18:45.41 | Semlar | the test realm is like 6 hours later than my time |
| 18:46.22 | nevcairiel | that cant be right |
| 18:46.35 | Semlar | i think it's utc |
| 18:47.34 | Semlar | or not |
| 18:47.46 | Semlar | it's UTC+2 |
| 18:47.59 | nevcairiel | fascinating, since when are beta realms in europe time |
| 18:48.01 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 18:48.06 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 18:48.07 | nevcairiel | one of them realms was the euro test realm |
| 18:48.20 | Semlar | i'm on the level 100 pve realm |
| 18:48.21 | nevcairiel | other realms may be in US time |
| 18:48.25 | nevcairiel | hm, i'm not |
| 18:48.29 | nevcairiel | maybe all are EU time now! |
| 18:50.26 | Fisker | I'm gonna blow the lid on this operation |
| 18:51.30 | Semlar | when i noticed it was night i was pretty sure the realm time should have been after sunrise though |
| 18:51.47 | Semlar | i could be wrong |
| 18:52.02 | Semlar | i wasn't paying that much attention |
| 18:52.26 | Semlar | time might work differently in space |
| 18:52.41 | nevcairiel | or it might work differently on the beta to test the night effect |
| 18:53.05 | Semlar | did they make mineral nodes non-interactive for non-miners |
| 18:54.27 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/7NNbW2M.jpg is this a mineral node |
| 18:55.38 | Mr_Rabies | you should change your nameplate fonts to street fighter font |
| 18:55.44 | Mr_Rabies | E. Honda and all that |
| 18:55.52 | foxlit | there was a forum post to the effect of "sorry we broke all resource nodes in Draenor" |
| 18:55.55 | karl_w_w | no that's a waterstrider |
| 18:56.45 | Semlar | did they also break some of the chests |
| 18:56.53 | Semlar | or.. all of frostfire ridge |
| 18:57.44 | Semlar | i couldn't find a lot of the things that were supposed to be there |
| 18:58.02 | nevcairiel | mines and herbs are definitely broken |
| 18:58.08 | nevcairiel | not sure about anything else |
| 18:58.16 | Semlar | well i'm sure it's not important |
| 18:58.23 | nevcairiel | report a bug |
| 18:59.14 | Semlar | maybe they're just hiding |
| 18:59.40 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.51 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI amazing |
| 19:00.06 | Mr_Rabies | sound design is always magical |
| 19:00.11 | nevcairiel | what did you find a TLPD in nagrand for |
| 19:00.20 | Semlar | maybe it was lost |
| 19:00.26 | Mr_Rabies | it's a time-lost gordunni ogre, clearly |
| 19:00.48 | nevcairiel | did it at least drop a mount |
| 19:01.01 | Semlar | i think they added a dead TLPD to taunt people |
| 19:01.57 | Semlar | it seems to be a permanent fixture |
| 19:03.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say it'd be hilarious if it set off npcscan |
| 19:03.57 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 19:03.59 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 19:04.19 | Semlar | it's a real TLPD corpse |
| 19:04.49 | Semlar | so if npcscan worked it would undoubtedly set it off |
| 19:05.38 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 19:05.46 | nevcairiel | but i bet they'll take it out again |
| 19:09.50 | Fisker | This script has been executing for a few minutes |
| 19:09.53 | Fisker | ChromeOS hype |
| 19:10.06 | Fisker | I have no idea what it needs a few minutes for listing stuff |
| 19:10.08 | Fisker | why* |
| 19:10.44 | Fisker | 14 lines out of 34 |
| 19:10.47 | Fisker | the happening is real |
| 19:13.12 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/i8SpBem.gif |
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| 19:18.12 | Mr_Rabies | man, i really hope we get some kind of story on "Azeroth B" at some point, even if it's minor |
| 19:19.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of tearing at me that we might not ever know what happens to the azeroth from the "orcs didn't drink the blood of mannoroth" universe |
| 19:20.29 | foxlit | There's no way to get to Azeroth B. |
| 19:21.10 | Semlar | there is no azeroth B |
| 19:21.11 | foxlit | if a tree falls in a forest, Semlar... |
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| 19:21.25 | nevcairiel | then it squishes squirrels? |
| 19:21.39 | Fisker | I squished you nevcairiel |
| 19:21.46 | nevcairiel | again? :( |
| 19:21.51 | Fisker | again? |
| 19:23.11 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope we get something out of that extra azeroth |
| 19:23.49 | Semlar | two azeroths for the price of one! |
| 19:24.01 | smcn | extrazeroth |
| 19:24.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.02 | Mr_Rabies | even if it's not in WoD, it's so ripe for at least a single storyline detailing what happens to it without the dark portal |
| 19:24.08 | foxlit | what code statistics are interesting for addons? |
| 19:24.17 | foxlit | Could count the number of "do" blocks, for example. |
| 19:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | even if basically the legion and old gods wipe out life on the planet and battle for whatever reason they like azeroth so much for, that's a cool story |
| 19:24.56 | Semlar | count the number of comments |
| 19:25.12 | foxlit | comments are a lie and are stripped out by the parser. |
| 19:25.30 | Semlar | count the number of lies |
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| 19:32.31 | Gethe | count the number of times pairs() is used |
| 19:32.57 | foxlit | the number of times an iterator-based for loop is used? |
| 19:33.56 | Gethe | just throwin things out there, you aksed |
| 19:33.59 | Semlar | count how much cpu time is wasted by oqueue |
| 19:34.06 | Gethe | lol |
| 19:34.15 | Semlar | i can't believe this runs |
| 19:34.20 | foxlit | the for loops is interesting :) |
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| 19:35.59 | Semlar | i wrote a simple addon to intercept oqueue channel messages and list out the games and it's absurd how inefficiently written it is |
| 19:36.25 | Gethe | not suprised |
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| 19:37.25 | Semlar | their method for encoding and decoding messages contains a ton of garbage |
| 19:37.56 | Primer | oqueue still breaks Prat too |
| 19:38.01 | Semlar | i don't think they have any idea what they're doing |
| 19:38.09 | Primer | the right click menu breaks |
| 19:38.12 | nevcairiel | luckily they dont really have to anymore |
| 19:38.13 | Primer | in chat |
| 19:38.32 | Semlar | enc = enc .."".. w .."".. x .."".. y .."".. z <- this is a good one |
| 19:38.53 | smcn | seems legit |
| 19:39.03 | nevcairiel | i've seen people do that in other languages, probably trying to force an implicit tostring |
| 19:39.38 | Semlar | i replaced their "decode" function with one line |
| 19:40.41 | Mr_Rabies | is the oq guy still illegally hosting a bunch of addons |
| 19:40.45 | Semlar | if i released a small addon that just let you create and join oqueue games would it be taken off of curse |
| 19:40.49 | Gethe | Semlar: rewrite oQueue so we can use it instead for the next 4 weeks |
| 19:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | oh, yep |
| 19:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | http://solidice.com/downloads/world-of-warcraft |
| 19:42.22 | Semlar | i mean, i'd have to do the same thing their code does to communicate with it |
| 19:42.53 | Semlar | that seems like a grey area |
| 19:42.59 | nevcairiel | why would it be taken off of course |
| 19:43.02 | Semlar | in terms of copyright violation |
| 19:43.18 | nevcairiel | if you dont copy paste their code, there is no violation |
| 19:43.24 | nevcairiel | you cant copyright a protocol |
| 19:43.52 | Semlar | well it wouldn't be hard to rewrite these functions |
| 19:44.02 | Mr_Rabies | just write it poorly |
| 19:44.05 | Mr_Rabies | "accidentally" |
| 19:44.12 | Semlar | they've already done that for me |
| 19:44.13 | Mr_Rabies | so that it breaks everyone's oq |
| 19:44.15 | nevcairiel | on the other h and, why bother for 4 weeks |
| 19:44.27 | Semlar | it would be difficult to write these in a way that isn't more efficient than what they have |
| 19:44.50 | foxlit | "efficient" is a very meh thing. |
| 19:45.09 | foxlit | I mean sure, you might expend some effort and get marginally better run times. Is it actually a problem? |
| 19:45.13 | Primer | What happens in 4 weeks? |
| 19:45.23 | foxlit | Is someone going "oh ones, oqueue halves my fpses?" |
| 19:45.28 | nevcairiel | 6.0 hits and the game has a builtin group builder |
| 19:45.43 | Semlar | you think 6.0 is going to get released in october |
| 19:45.54 | kd3|hate`net | I wouldn't be shocked |
| 19:46.01 | foxlit | let's say three weeks before launch |
| 19:46.07 | Semlar | i'd be kind of surprised |
| 19:46.07 | nevcairiel | thats october |
| 19:46.11 | foxlit | because two weeks is nice, and deadcode is a dead week. |
| 19:46.14 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 19:46.14 | nevcairiel | Semlar: when would you think |
| 19:46.15 | foxlit | s/deadcode/blizzcon/ |
| 19:46.25 | nevcairiel | foxlit: one weird typo |
| 19:46.28 | Semlar | i don't know, i honestly think november is too early for the release |
| 19:46.45 | Semlar | it seems like an optimistic deadline |
| 19:46.52 | nevcairiel | i was kinda surprised they did it this close after the con |
| 19:46.55 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is oct 14, 4 weeks before WoD |
| 19:47.11 | Semlar | i'm not saying they won't release it when they said they will |
| 19:47.14 | foxlit | there's pre-expansion content, too, so can hardly ship the systems patch a week before. |
| 19:47.17 | Semlar | because i'm sure they will |
| 19:47.29 | Semlar | but from what i've seen of the beta it seems kind of premature |
| 19:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | some of the character models that are currently on ptr are definitely unfinished |
| 19:47.52 | Mr_Rabies | nelf males are pretty awful |
| 19:48.00 | foxlit | the gait was weird. |
| 19:48.05 | nevcairiel | as long as all the features are done, you can fix a lot of stuff in 2 months |
| 19:48.08 | Dagmar | Missing _limbs_ and _torsos_ |
| 19:48.28 | Dagmar | ...but, this is an improvement over seeing dwarves in short pants. |
| 19:48.36 | nevcairiel | its hard to judge the true state of content, we dont always get to see everything and/or the latest state |
| 19:48.46 | Semlar | that's probably true |
| 19:49.28 | nevcairiel | i dont remember how this was in previous betas though |
| 19:51.06 | foxlit | mop felt ridiculously polished. |
| 19:51.23 | foxlit | and then they did the gyrocopter thing at launch. |
| 19:51.25 | kd3 | right up until jade forest on launch day |
| 19:51.26 | kd3 | hah |
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| 19:52.22 | smcn | mop was the only beta & launch i missed, and tbh i never really had a feeling like "this is broken" |
| 19:52.58 | nevcairiel | i had more issues in stormwind, world server kept crashing, once i got to the gyros an hour later, it was fine :p |
| 19:56.17 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.52 | Dagmar | lol |
| 19:56.59 | Dagmar | roll-your-own marshalling |
| 19:57.09 | foxlit | -- this is a comment. |
| 19:57.35 | Dagmar | -- This routine is to show everyone I've lost my marbles |
| 19:57.49 | nevcairiel | maybe they hope to avoid swear filters or something with the reverse |
| 19:57.59 | Dagmar | On realm names? |
| 19:58.07 | nevcairiel | also player names |
| 19:58.18 | Semlar | my favorite part is replacing ";" with "," and then splitting the string on "," |
| 19:58.40 | Dagmar | Do they perhaps think the swear filter is like some mad ICE process that roams the grid looking for naughty words to kill? |
| 19:58.41 | TC-Work | It encodes in 64 and decodes in 256? or are those arbitrary numbers? |
| 19:59.07 | nevcairiel | probably just badly named, encode to 64, decode to 256 |
| 19:59.10 | Semlar | uhhh it's all arbitrary as far as i can tell |
| 19:59.47 | Semlar | the "pword" argument isn't used because they removed whatever encryption they had |
| 20:00.39 | Semlar | and instead of using strsplit, they have some function that dumps the arguments into a table |
| 20:00.51 | Dagmar | Ah hah |
| 20:00.52 | Semlar | so that they can reference it using _arg[n] |
| 20:00.58 | Dagmar | This person is a web developer normally, apparently. |
| 20:01.07 | Dagmar | That explains a bit |
| 20:01.37 | Dagmar | Clue word: 'cocoon' |
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| 20:02.13 | Dagmar | It's appararently a serializer for some Apache/Tomcat crap |
| 20:02.42 | Semlar | this file looks like a nightmare to maintain |
| 20:03.03 | Semlar | it's 26k lines |
| 20:03.08 | Dagmar | Only if you're afraid to delete useless lines of code |
| 20:03.18 | Dagmar | ...which is probably a lot of 'em. |
| 20:03.34 | TC-Work | You mean deleting 25.9K lines of code? |
| 20:03.44 | Dagmar | Could be |
| 20:06.04 | Semlar | well, i managed to read the local realm channel it chats on and decipher the messages with like 10 lines |
| 20:06.25 | nevcairiel | isnt the real magic in the non-local chats |
| 20:06.34 | Semlar | sort of |
| 20:07.05 | Semlar | it forwards all of the messages to the realm chat |
| 20:07.22 | Semlar | so that other people running it can forward those messages to their friends and what-not |
| 20:07.39 | Semlar | so you can read all of the chatter from that channel |
| 20:08.14 | Semlar | but yeah it would have to be expanded to support actually forwarding messages to other people if you wanted the network to continue working |
| 20:10.17 | Semlar | if your realm was completely dead and you didn't have any bnet friends with the addon, i'm pretty sure it wouldn't work |
| 20:11.12 | Semlar | unless it has hard coded battle tags in here somewhere for "nodes" |
| 20:11.26 | foxlit | psst, test http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/ for me. |
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| 20:11.49 | Semlar | what's it supposed to do |
| 20:11.55 | nevcairiel | how do you test that |
| 20:11.57 | foxlit | (drop an addon .zip onto the giant h1) |
| 20:12.06 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 20:12.12 | Semlar | that's not very intuitive |
| 20:12.32 | nevcairiel | doesnt work :( |
| 20:12.36 | Semlar | yeah that didn't work |
| 20:12.44 | Semlar | tried to get my browser to open it |
| 20:12.46 | nevcairiel | browser just "downloads" the zip :P |
| 20:13.01 | foxlit | interesting; which browser, and where are you dropping things? |
| 20:13.06 | nevcairiel | chrome |
| 20:13.09 | Semlar | firefox |
| 20:13.13 | Semlar | and on the Globe text |
| 20:13.16 | nevcairiel | and i tried the blue o! |
| 20:13.22 | Semlar | actually nowhere on the page can it be dropped |
| 20:13.35 | Dagmar | I love it when a browser does that |
| 20:13.40 | Semlar | wait |
| 20:13.51 | Semlar | i think it may have worked |
| 20:13.56 | Dagmar | Like, "Sure... I'll handle that local file for you. We're downloading it, right?" |
| 20:14.04 | Semlar | i must have found a hotspot |
| 20:14.56 | kd3 | dragging a file to the blue 'o' popped the firefox download prompt for me (linux) |
| 20:15.34 | Semlar | i was able to get it to upload the file |
| 20:15.36 | foxlit | so in theory, you can drop it anywhere on the orange stuff: http://go-hero.net/i/zone.png |
| 20:15.40 | Dagmar | It's the browser's passive-aggressive way of saying "I have no handler for that" |
| 20:16.16 | Semlar | well, the first time i dropped it on the Globe text it didn't work |
| 20:16.36 | Semlar | then i just held it over the page for a while and dropped it and it worked |
| 20:17.23 | Semlar | imgur has an indicator on the page itself when it's going to intercept a file, that would probably help |
| 20:17.26 | foxlit | firefox on mac seems to be better than firefox on win for me; I wonder. |
| 20:18.00 | foxlit | mime types. :/ |
| 20:18.35 | Semlar | granted it's not actually doing anything |
| 20:18.46 | Semlar | just says loading and processing |
| 20:19.02 | Semlar | needs more progress! |
| 20:19.08 | foxlit | :) |
| 20:19.12 | foxlit | Try a different zip. |
| 20:19.18 | Semlar | i tried oqueue |
| 20:19.38 | TC-Work | Sounds like a worthless addon. |
| 20:19.42 | foxlit | nevcairiel: refresh and try again; changed to check the file extension rather than mime type. |
| 20:19.54 | Semlar | it loaded optionhouse okay |
| 20:20.01 | Semlar | aaaaaw it timed out |
| 20:20.14 | Semlar | i guess it didn't like oqueue |
| 20:20.29 | nevcairiel | foxlit: nope |
| 20:21.54 | foxlit | nevcairiel: okay, sorry, again. |
| 20:22.31 | kd3 | worked for me this time |
| 20:22.53 | nevcairiel | foxlit: works |
| 20:23.14 | nevcairiel | hm, did you change the output? |
| 20:23.28 | nevcairiel | if i create a global table, it reports every table member i put in there? |
| 20:23.31 | nevcairiel | that seems excessive |
| 20:23.57 | foxlit | only things you write to via an ultimately global reference |
| 20:24.19 | Semlar | every key you put into a global table |
| 20:24.26 | foxlit | if you just do _G.foo = {bar=1, baz=2}, it'll only list _G.foo |
| 20:24.40 | foxlit | (write/read) |
| 20:24.52 | foxlit | so oqueue has this -- battleground timers in a .toc file |
| 20:24.57 | nevcairiel | well sure, but if i do AddOn = {}; AddOn.Function = bla; AddOn.Function2 = bla |
| 20:25.12 | Semlar | it's listing these as global writes: |
| 20:25.19 | Semlar | ColorPickerFrame.opacity |
| 20:25.21 | Semlar | ColorPickerFrame.hasOpacity |
| 20:25.23 | Semlar | ColorPickerFrame.previousValues |
| 20:25.41 | nevcairiel | well those i understand, you do mess with a global table |
| 20:25.48 | foxlit | yes. I typically do local addon = {} addon.FOO = bar; _G.addon = addon |
| 20:26.23 | nevcairiel | i tend to use the table blizzard throws at the addon these days |
| 20:26.27 | nevcairiel | but thats besides the point! |
| 20:26.27 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 20:26.37 | foxlit | as for the delay on oqueue, http://pastebin.com/mvms2FTT |
| 20:26.47 | Semlar | :| |
| 20:27.00 | nevcairiel | 2. is no valid syntax in your parser? |
| 20:27.05 | Semlar | GOT DOT |
| 20:27.11 | foxlit | 2. is not a valid number in my parser. DOT is a token. |
| 20:27.12 | nevcairiel | lua> 2.+3. == 5. |
| 20:27.22 | nevcairiel | stupid lua_bot is dead again |
| 20:27.49 | nevcairiel | well its valid anyway! |
| 20:27.56 | nevcairiel | stupid |
| 20:27.58 | nevcairiel | but valid |
| 20:28.18 | nevcairiel | makes more sense in languages that actually differentiate between floats and ints |
| 20:28.52 | foxlit | the manual doesn't define what it expects a number to look like :( |
| 20:29.15 | foxlit | just gives a set of examples in 2.1; 3.0 is one, but 3. is not :( |
| 20:29.30 | Semlar | apparently it's valid enough to work |
| 20:29.47 | nevcairiel | barely anyone would use 3. syntax in Lua |
| 20:29.53 | nevcairiel | since numbers are all the same type anyway |
| 20:30.00 | foxlit | for fun, guess which of these is valid: 1.e5 1e5. |
| 20:30.02 | Semlar | i'm sure that's a typo |
| 20:30.23 | Semlar | in the oqueue code |
| 20:30.27 | nevcairiel | foxlit: the first |
| 20:30.33 | foxlit | but why not the second? |
| 20:30.42 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 20:31.12 | nevcairiel | it might be ambigious if you want 1e(5.0), or (1e5).0? |
| 20:32.07 | nevcairiel | cant have fractions in exponents, so not valid! |
| 20:32.28 | nevcairiel | oh i shoved ace3 in there and i even found an error |
| 20:34.15 | foxlit | hm? |
| 20:34.34 | nevcairiel | in the code, not your stuff |
| 20:34.42 | foxlit | still interesting |
| 20:35.03 | nevcairiel | not a real error though, an upvalue was typoed, so it pulled it from global instead |
| 20:36.56 | foxlit | Semlar: http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:6247c4f46d86deb5675032e027bc1d1e |
| 20:37.26 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 20:38.55 | nevcairiel | it writes into the string table? |
| 20:38.58 | nevcairiel | now thats evil! |
| 20:39.08 | foxlit | less evil than you might think. |
| 20:39.15 | Semlar | who is oath |
| 20:39.21 | nevcairiel | it also leaks "reason" |
| 20:39.41 | Semlar | "Oath's premade finder using social mesh networking" |
| 20:39.55 | nevcairiel | the author? |
| 20:40.01 | Semlar | author: tiny of the zerg |
| 20:40.20 | nevcairiel | the guild of the author? |
| 20:40.27 | Semlar | his guild is "the zerg" |
| 20:40.38 | nevcairiel | thats a terrible guild name |
| 20:40.41 | nevcairiel | oath would be better |
| 20:40.43 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.48 | Semlar | oath doesn't appear to be a guild on magtheridon either |
| 20:42.04 | nevcairiel | maybe the name of the guy who gave him the idea |
| 20:42.33 | Semlar | maybe it's the guy who wrote it and he just made himself the author |
| 20:42.47 | nevcairiel | that would be kinda obvious |
| 20:42.56 | Semlar | >_> |
| 20:43.30 | foxlit | so what else would be useful? |
| 20:44.12 | nevcairiel | a button to export all strings in L[..] in curseforge locale importer format |
| 20:44.18 | nevcairiel | then i dont have to bother with my script anymore! |
| 20:44.42 | foxlit | can actually do that, but let's talk a bit about L. |
| 20:44.45 | foxlit | Mine's a function? |
| 20:45.03 | nevcairiel | why is your L a function |
| 20:45.06 | foxlit | (or, rather, callable userdata, because then you can swap implementations without bothering with references) |
| 20:45.15 | foxlit | L"Thing" |
| 20:45.42 | nevcairiel | we swapped between those so often, now its just a plain table |
| 20:45.44 | foxlit | the one exception to my hate of parentheses-less calling syntax. |
| 20:47.20 | foxlit | (of course, I also have a terrible problem since I sometimes do L(object.label), and that's horrible :() |
| 20:47.29 | nevcairiel | i dunno, the common way when using the curseforge/wowace website localization thing seems to be to also use AceLocale, which is really minimalistic metatable magic |
| 20:47.53 | Kaelten | it also supports just lua table export |
| 20:48.07 | nevcairiel | yeah the export is quite flexible |
| 20:48.12 | foxlit | I wish it'd support exporting *everything* |
| 20:48.17 | Kaelten | ? |
| 20:48.23 | foxlit | It does one language at a time. |
| 20:48.32 | nevcairiel | tell Kaelten your wishes now, he might implement them in the new version |
| 20:48.57 | Kaelten | foxlit: yeah but you can still have them export to one file if you want |
| 20:48.58 | Semlar | imports foxlit |
| 20:49.04 | Kaelten | (which I do in at least one addon) |
| 20:49.09 | foxlit | Kaelten: those are radio buttons? |
| 20:49.17 | Kaelten | oh you mean from the website? |
| 20:49.24 | Kaelten | I used packager substituion.... |
| 20:49.24 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:49.39 | Kaelten | in the new site we're having it so the substituion can happen on file upload too |
| 20:49.40 | nevcairiel | since it dumps pure data tables at you, how would you like it structured if you get all languages? |
| 20:50.30 | foxlit | the easiest option would just be to concatenate the 11 outputs it would otherwise produce. |
| 20:50.42 | foxlit | leaving me with the job of inserting appropriate elseifs. |
| 20:51.03 | foxlit | but if you're more ambitious, that format dropdown could account for it. |
| 20:54.07 | foxlit | what do the formats it actually supports on the importing end look like? |
| 20:55.33 | nevcairiel | L["Key"] = "value", or {\n key = "value",\n}, or even KEY = "value" |
| 20:55.56 | foxlit | no love for "KEY", "KEY", "KEY", "KEY" :( |
| 20:56.17 | Dagmar | Only if you use a doubly-linked list to forge them into a ring. |
| 20:57.00 | foxlit | (i.e. just using english strings as keys) |
| 20:57.13 | nevcairiel | you can use true as key for key=value |
| 20:57.35 | foxlit | And I get the joy of triple-encoding |
| 20:58.15 | foxlit | string in lua -> json encoding -> string in javascript -> lua encoding :( |
| 20:58.31 | Dagmar | Seriously? |
| 20:58.49 | Shirik | ~wiki Gabriela Teneva |
| 20:59.24 | foxlit | maybe I could cheat and %q it on lua side. |
| 20:59.47 | Dagmar | You don't wanna uuencode it first? |
| 21:07.30 | TC-Work | Shirik: There is obviously an explanation of significance. |
| 21:07.46 | TC-Work | "[...] is an amazing human being who contributes to planet Earth only by existing and fulfills everybody's lives." |
| 21:07.58 | Shirik | TC-Work: not a credible assertion of significance |
| 21:08.00 | Shirik | :P |
| 21:08.22 | TC-Work | Shirik: And how exactly is that defined? |
| 21:08.51 | Shirik | that's the wonderful part of being an administrator |
| 21:08.55 | Shirik | you get to define it |
| 21:09.01 | Fisker | Bye Shirik |
| 21:09.04 | Shirik | bye Fisker |
| 21:09.13 | TC-Work | That doesn't sound like Wiki Shirik. |
| 21:09.37 | TC-Work | The place where there are inane arguments about EVERYTHING. |
| 21:10.16 | TC-Work | Which I should know about since I love inane arguments. |
| 21:10.32 | foxlit | nevcairiel: something like the bottom of http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:86f1ed55ac0fee90b90cb06787eb5f08 ? |
| 21:12.40 | nevcairiel | that looks usable |
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| 21:30.27 | Mr_Rabies | dat corbel font |
| 21:30.52 | Mr_Rabies | corbel is like the worst font for numbers |
| 21:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | seemingly random numbers are twice the height of others, in either direction |
| 21:31.58 | foxlit | not a fan of lowercase numbers, then? |
| 21:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 21:32.23 | Mr_Rabies | the shop i work at uses corbel for most of its official stuff |
| 21:32.27 | Mr_Rabies | and those numbers drive me nuts |
| 21:32.33 | foxlit | the first choice is Avenir, which doesn't have them. |
| 21:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | phone numbers look like a maniac wrote them |
| 21:35.00 | foxlit | but what's a reasonable alternative for windows, then? |
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| 21:40.09 | foxlit | Corbel is kind of the only C-font with a single-story g. |
| 21:49.59 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, it's all about preference |
| 21:50.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not saying corbel sucks, just that i hate it |
| 21:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | it's nice for text |
| 21:50.25 | Mr_Rabies | optimally someone would make a non-crazy numbers version of corbel |
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| 21:53.33 | surix | hello, i am trying to setup a set of macros for pvp and am wondering if its possible to set multiple named targets that the macros will reference, for example during pvp i would want to set mostdangerous, fastest, healer than my macros can interact with those targets |
| 21:53.48 | surix | so id want do do something like /targetenemyplayer mostdangerous |
| 21:54.05 | surix | mostdangerous being a variable that id set with another macros, like setting the focus |
| 21:54.15 | surix | macro* |
| 21:57.18 | foxlit | only if you set those named targets out of combat. |
| 21:57.19 | surix | or /cast[target=mostdangerousvariable] |
| 21:57.26 | surix | dang |
| 21:57.49 | surix | so there would be no way to change them during battlegrounds? |
| 21:58.15 | foxlit | you're not constantly in combat in battlegrounds. |
| 21:58.22 | surix | oh ok |
| 21:58.28 | kd3|hate`net | you drop combat after 5 seconds of not doing anything to other players |
| 21:59.07 | surix | what would the macro look like to set the mostdangerous? |
| 21:59.51 | foxlit | mind you, this is in the realm of "theoretically possible", not "use this slash command" |
| 22:00.28 | surix | is there a concept of variables? how are they specified %variablename or something? |
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| 22:00.36 | foxlit | no. |
| 22:02.48 | foxlit | basically, the closest you'd come without rewriting the macro system is creating a secureactionbutton, setting its action to /target Player Name while out of combat, and adding /click ThatActionButton before your /cast. |
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| 22:05.18 | foxlit | (and the closest I'd come with the currently released kindred/rewire is letting you set aliases for friendly units (i.e. /cast [@tank] Healing Touch -> /cast [@Steve] Healing Touch); might have to look into translating /cast into /cleartarget, /targetexact, /cast /targetlasttarget for hostiles, which seems fraught with things that could go wrong.) |
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| 22:08.16 | surix | so for the button that targets the mostdangerous do you mean it has aplayer name hard coded into its action? and id have to change that hard coded value when out of combat? |
| 22:09.10 | Mr_Rabies | all this talk of mostdangerous is making me think of M.D. Geist (Most Dangerous Geist) |
| 22:09.20 | surix | lol |
| 22:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | a totally insane 80s anime |
| 22:09.57 | surix | yeah i remember the trailers |
| 22:10.21 | surix | and m.d. geist deathforce which didnt look as cool |
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| 22:13.22 | Mr_Rabies | i was 100% not expecting anyone to know what i was talkin about, much less the person asking for help with it :p |
| 22:13.33 | Mr_Rabies | mind = blown |
| 22:13.58 | surix | ive watched way too many trailers, i used to have a vhs tape of just trailers i recorded |
| 22:14.29 | surix | i think ive seen the trailer of every pre 1996 anime that was licensed in the us |
| 22:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:15.31 | Mr_Rabies | THESE CARTOONS AREN'T FOR KIDDDDSSSS |
| 22:15.34 | Mr_Rabies | oh, old anime trailers |
| 22:15.36 | Mr_Rabies | the best |
| 22:16.29 | surix | the best was orion trailers with the deep dead-serious movie preview voice "state of the art...japanese...animation." |
| 22:17.57 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:23.00 | foxlit | psst, still want more addons for http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/ ; drop zips onto the text (it should highlight the relevant area now) |
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| 22:30.47 | nevcairiel | how about making it accept single lua files? :d |
| 22:31.32 | foxlit | those are less interesting. I'd rather implement filtering. |
| 22:34.18 | nevcairiel | but i wanted to avoid having to zip up a bunch of things! |
| 22:35.02 | Mr_Rabies | gonna put dbm full in there because eat it |
| 22:35.05 | foxlit | there are analysis passes I can only do if I have all your code, though. |
| 22:35.58 | surix | so is the macro system all client side, ie theres nothing stoping you from adding variable support? |
| 22:36.17 | surix | by you i dont mean you personally, i mean you the user |
| 22:36.22 | nevcairiel | foxlit: yeah this was a one-file thing anyway, a small library |
| 22:36.58 | kd3 | there's only so much blizz lets you do with the macro system: http://wowpedia.org/Macro_conditionals |
| 22:37.59 | nevcairiel | if by adding variable support you mean hacking the game client, you better continue that line of inquiry elsewhere, or someone might take offense and remove you :) |
| 22:38.38 | surix | where does lua adins cross into hacking the game client? |
| 22:38.54 | Arrowmaster | dafuk "a JPEG that becomes a PNG after AES encryption and a PDF after 3DES decryption" |
| 22:39.31 | foxlit | both formats presumably have ways of saying "ignore this chunk of conspiciously many bytes" |
| 22:39.46 | foxlit | s/both/all three/ |
| 22:40.16 | Mr_Rabies | i don't understand foxlit :( |
| 22:40.25 | Mr_Rabies | i drag the file there and it then proceeds to redownload it? |
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| 22:40.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah they are block cyphers which makes it a little easier but its still a damn impressive feat of bruteforcing |
| 22:40.52 | Kesava | Mr_Rabies: /slap your browser |
| 22:41.04 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: you need to drag a single .zip file onto the globe text; the o should turn green. |
| 22:41.04 | Mr_Rabies | imgur supports drag-drop uploading fine, i dunno what |
| 22:41.09 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it does |
| 22:41.16 | Mr_Rabies | then it proceeds to redownload it from myself |
| 22:41.17 | Mr_Rabies | what even |
| 22:41.30 | nevcairiel | are you using internet explorer? :P |
| 22:41.32 | foxlit | That's the default behaviour of dropping a file onto a browser window. |
| 22:41.33 | Mr_Rabies | chrome |
| 22:41.57 | Kesava | that's so 2012 |
| 22:42.09 | foxlit | recent IE is fine, in any case. |
| 22:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, watch it work in ie |
| 22:42.18 | Mr_Rabies | but not chrome |
| 22:42.33 | foxlit | I'm being somewhat picky about rejecting things I don't want to accept. There are a few things that you could be hitting, including a file size limit. |
| 22:43.56 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just uploading the entirety of auctioneer because i'm listening to what it said with the most complicated thing i could think of |
| 22:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 22:44.31 | foxlit | If you refresh, it should stop throwing the file back at you and display an error message instead, if the file size check is what you're hitting in the first place. |
| 22:45.35 | Mr_Rabies | yeah it yells at me if i do auctioneer |
| 22:45.39 | Mr_Rabies | it's 3.7MB |
| 22:45.53 | foxlit | and the limit is 1. What on earth are they zipping? |
| 22:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | ah same with dbm |
| 22:46.12 | Mr_Rabies | dbm is 1.7 |
| 22:46.40 | nevcairiel | auctioneer is like 100 addons in the zip package |
| 22:46.55 | Mr_Rabies | informant has like 7MB uncompressed in the /data/ folder |
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| 22:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | there it goes, refreshing the page fixed it |
| 22:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | uploaded the ace lib which is only 120kb or so |
| 22:48.22 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:1740e204df95ceaac04d4867910c2776 |
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| 22:50.13 | Primer | What is this? |
| 22:50.40 | Primer | interesting |
| 22:51.07 | foxlit | basically, I noticed this: http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:098e72217b00586d8829e98c21d3c3c8-writes , and wanted to do something about it. |
| 22:51.42 | Mr_Rabies | i should see what pettracker's up to because that's my new suspect for tainting everything |
| 22:52.02 | Kesava | i used pettracker, I haven't noticed any extra taint |
| 22:52.05 | Kesava | use* |
| 22:52.29 | Primer | So how do I upload something to that? |
| 22:52.46 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:141a05b77a48d6a07bfc6f7eff41b358 |
| 22:52.56 | Mr_Rabies | dragging it onto the O, primer |
| 22:53.15 | Primer | I have no graphical file manager |
| 22:53.29 | Primer | I prefer to do file ops from the command line on Linux |
| 22:53.39 | foxlit | life must be tough in the 18th century. |
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| 22:54.05 | foxlit | send a POST to /globe/up/ with the .zip file as the "zip" form field. |
| 22:54.37 | Mr_Rabies | i use a clever system of movable-type printing presses and an arduino wired to a few carrier pidgeons to browse the internet |
| 22:55.38 | Primer | heh, most (all?) web based file uploaders have an "upload" button |
| 22:55.49 | Primer | yours is the first exception I've encountered |
| 22:55.57 | Arrowmaster | dragging wasnt supported a few years ago |
| 22:55.59 | foxlit | I love being inconvinient :) |
| 22:56.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's true |
| 22:56.19 | Primer | besides, I can do file operations way more quickly from the command line than most people can with their clickety click shit |
| 22:56.23 | Arrowmaster | also cant drag on mobile |
| 22:56.25 | Mr_Rabies | my evidence is the patch note system for opie in curse client :p |
| 22:56.44 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: iphones have no file management either :) |
| 22:56.59 | Arrowmaster | whos silly enough to use an iphone |
| 22:56.59 | Mr_Rabies | they sorta do, as of ios6 |
| 22:57.09 | foxlit | can only upload photos, though |
| 22:57.11 | Mr_Rabies | not really a traditional one, but you can use upload fields on most sites |
| 22:57.19 | Mr_Rabies | i guess, maybe, i dunno |
| 22:57.26 | Arrowmaster | you couldnt before? |
| 22:57.28 | Arrowmaster | wow lol |
| 22:57.33 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly heard about it in reference to 4chan |
| 22:57.46 | Kesava | ios6 brings it to 2012. |
| 22:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | being like "now that you can upload images and stuff on iphones we have a mobile theme" |
| 22:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | ios6 came out in 2012 to be fair :p |
| 22:58.14 | Kesava | oh. fair enough. |
| 22:58.22 | foxlit | but anyway, curl if if your command line-fu is up to par. :) |
| 22:58.28 | Kesava | i was assuming it was the iphone 6 version. i don't follow apple stuff. |
| 22:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | (that's what i'm using since i have a 3GS) |
| 22:59.38 | foxlit | curl -i -F zip=@addon.zip http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/up/ |
| 22:59.57 | Primer | yeah, I tried that |
| 23:00.03 | Primer | all I got was a 301 |
| 23:00.05 | foxlit | -> {"status":"ok","key":"098e72217b00586d8829e98c21d3c3c8"} -> http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:098e72217b00586d8829e98c21d3c3c8 |
| 23:00.24 | Primer | <title>301 Moved Permanently</title> |
| 23:00.32 | foxlit | yeah, no fair dropping the slash. |
| 23:00.37 | Primer | doh |
| 23:00.53 | Kesava | i mean this is definitely faster than drag dropping |
| 23:01.34 | Kesava | (just joking i am an arch linux user) |
| 23:01.51 | Kesava | (though i do have thunar) |
| 23:01.52 | Primer | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:0885214911413bca65dd56ee03cc98b1 |
| 23:01.59 | Primer | hrmm, should I be concerned? |
| 23:02.16 | nevcairiel | always |
| 23:02.22 | Primer | Kesava: I just prefer to not reach for the mouse if I can avoid it |
| 23:02.29 | Kesava | yees |
| 23:02.47 | nevcairiel | you read globals called "temp" and "pid", i would be concerned about those |
| 23:03.20 | Primer | opening a new terminal: keyboard, switching to an already-open terminal: keyboard, typing "cd /" and hitting tab a lot: keyboard |
| 23:03.33 | Primer | I've already done all that shit by the time you found your mouse |
| 23:04.18 | Primer | So all these "global writes", is that because my main object (for lack of a better term, I suppose) is global? |
| 23:04.36 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 23:04.48 | foxlit | basically, those writes happen through a global FlightHUD reference. |
| 23:05.03 | foxlit | you're fine, but I may need to just hide them from you if you also set FlightHUD itself. |
| 23:05.10 | Primer | I seem to recall doing that on purpose, while working on it. I guess I forgot to "local" it after I was done |
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| 23:05.45 | foxlit | (also distingiushing _G["Foo.Bar"] and Foo.Bar is hard :( ) |
| 23:05.46 | Primer | since I wanted a global reference to be able to access stuff in-game |
| 23:06.11 | Arrowmaster | you can still do that |
| 23:06.19 | foxlit | I typically do local api = {} api.Bar, api.Baz = 1, 2 _G.AddOn = api |
| 23:06.29 | Primer | Arrowmaster: via _G? |
| 23:06.41 | foxlit | but there's nothing wrong with what you're doing; it just contradicts some of my assumptions. |
| 23:06.42 | Arrowmaster | what foxlit said |
| 23:06.55 | Kesava | Just global it, then set it to a local |
| 23:07.00 | Kesava | or the other way around, as foxlit sad |
| 23:07.02 | Kesava | said. |
| 23:07.15 | Primer | Well, I pulled down the PTR the other day, for the express purpose of making sure my two seldom-used addons are updated :) |
| 23:07.31 | Primer | I mean, I know I'm the only user of my other addon, PitBull4_Arrow |
| 23:07.39 | foxlit | the stray reads are more concerning; nevcairiel seems to be able to notice those too easily :) |
| 23:08.02 | nevcairiel | i have an eye for such things |
| 23:08.20 | Primer | heh, seems I do read a variable called pid |
| 23:08.27 | nevcairiel | and "temp" |
| 23:08.36 | Primer | indeed |
| 23:09.24 | Kesava | .. it's still true you should local globals you use a lot (like. thousands of times. in loops), right? |
| 23:09.35 | Primer | heh, that's from some code I copied |
| 23:09.39 | Kesava | i read that a long time ago and I can only imagine the difference is maybe a nanosecond. |
| 23:09.45 | Primer | from a jnwhiteh addon, IIRC |
| 23:10.30 | nevcairiel | if you use stuff in an OnUpdate, one could argue for wanting it to be as fast as possible |
| 23:10.41 | nevcairiel | but shrug, there is no harm in doing it either |
| 23:10.49 | Kesava | indeed |
| 23:11.17 | Primer | wow, this access to temp....looks like some leftover code where once it was a local |
| 23:12.16 | Primer | heh, this is also come copied code...from Xinhuan (IIRC his name) |
| 23:13.12 | nevcairiel | so today we learned, flighthud is a collection of stolen code |
| 23:13.23 | Primer | I asked for permission |
| 23:13.30 | Primer | And I credit them |
| 23:13.36 | Primer | So, no, it's not |
| 23:13.51 | nevcairiel | s/stolen/borrowed/ |
| 23:13.53 | nevcairiel | whatever :P |
| 23:14.04 | Primer | Nothing wrong with that. Surely we all do it. |
| 23:14.27 | foxlit | I think there is a mismatch between "joke" and "accusation" intentions and readings here. |
| 23:14.36 | Primer | I TOOK IT PERSONALLY, DAMMIT!! |
| 23:14.40 | Primer | HOW DARE YOU! |
| 23:14.54 | foxlit | There is only one solution. |
| 23:14.59 | foxlit | Steal nev's code! |
| 23:15.45 | Primer | Some code borrowed from other addons, namely: TomTom, FuBar_SpeedFu, HandyNotes, Omen |
| 23:16.14 | Primer | I still haven't fixed that one issue that causes the client to hang |
| 23:16.21 | Primer | it's been there for YEARS |
| 23:16.31 | Primer | Never figured it out :( |
| 23:17.26 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:7566afd719c24de0992a9fdc19a05ab2-writes << well, that's a bug to fix for tomorrow. It misses scope for XML scripts. |
| 23:19.39 | foxlit | (I should probably parse globals through XML objects and XML templates too, but that's hard and I'd need framexml :/) |
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