| 00:01.58 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 00:02.59 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: <3 |
| 00:03.13 | Stanzilla | <4 |
| 00:06.59 | Gnarfoz | mh |
| 00:07.07 | Gnarfoz | is "Changkoo Lee" likely to be a woman or a man? |
| 00:08.14 | Gnarfoz | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ck-changkoo-lee/5/57b/a26 this is probably the person I'm looking for, but I don't see anything that would tell me ;P |
| 00:08.37 | Stanzilla | what are you doing |
| 00:08.59 | Gnarfoz | writing that email |
| 00:09.26 | Stanzilla | says he is working for riot now |
| 00:09.28 | Stanzilla | to late bro |
| 00:09.38 | Gnarfoz | read better |
| 00:09.52 | Stanzilla | how can he work for boh |
| 00:09.52 | Stanzilla | t |
| 00:09.53 | Gnarfoz | both blizzard and riot are "current" |
| 00:10.06 | Gnarfoz | dunno, perhaps he's freelancing/contracting now |
| 00:10.46 | znf | what email? :o |
| 00:10.50 | Gnarfoz | in any case, his address is in the WHOIS for Blizzard's networks. they desperately need to fix that if it's inaccurate |
| 00:11.24 | Gnarfoz | I'll just do the sensible (and totally sexist, :O) thing and assume he's a guy |
| 00:12.11 | Arrowmaster | damnit i missed not having 3 speeding tickets in one year by 11 days |
| 00:12.36 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: https://www.facebook.com/changkoo.lee?fref=browse_search |
| 00:12.36 | Stanzilla | male |
| 00:12.37 | Gnarfoz | znf: email to some guys (who can hopefully do something about it) about not being able to connect to WoW over IPv6 from Deutsche Telekom |
| 00:13.18 | Stanzilla | also says riot |
| 00:13.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that one says "past: blizzard" |
| 00:13.42 | Stanzilla | looks like riot is shopping at blizzard big time :D |
| 00:14.05 | Gnarfoz | you already know about 2 guys, certainly big time ;o |
| 00:14.17 | Gnarfoz | <clee@blizzard.com>: host mx11.blizzard.com[12.130.201.13] said: 550 #5.1.0 |
| 00:14.17 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.19 | Gnarfoz | so much for that |
| 00:14.26 | Gnarfoz | well, it was addressed at another guy, too |
| 00:14.40 | Gnarfoz | gah I can never remember |
| 00:14.52 | Gnarfoz | two recipients, one is invalid: did the valid one get the mail? |
| 00:14.58 | znf | yeah |
| 00:14.59 | Gnarfoz | I think the answer is no, right |
| 00:15.04 | znf | yes you do |
| 00:15.06 | Simca | hmm, I have a question about blizz code - a friend wants to use the movement pad buttons as actionbar buttons but those buttons use code like "Jump()" |
| 00:15.14 | Gnarfoz | "I do"? |
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| 00:15.18 | Gnarfoz | I do remember correctly? |
| 00:15.24 | Gnarfoz | or I do get the email |
| 00:15.42 | znf | Gnarfoz, if the email is valid, they get it |
| 00:15.45 | Xuerian | Simca: Have your friend bind the pad to appropriate keys, and then bind those keys in the UI. |
| 00:15.52 | Gnarfoz | I don't really see how that could be, but... hm |
| 00:16.01 | Xuerian | Simca: Because otherwise, you're venturing into secure frames territory which is not for the faint of heart |
| 00:16.09 | znf | Gnarfoz, you did a To: x@y.z, a@b.c right? |
| 00:16.21 | znf | if x@y.z is invalid but a@b.c is valid, a@b.c gets the email |
| 00:16.42 | Gnarfoz | their mail server rejected *the mail* based on the recipients I tried to use - the only way the valid one should have gone through is if someone had split up the mail into two ;o |
| 00:16.59 | znf | <Gnarfoz> well, it was addressed at another guy, too |
| 00:17.01 | znf | ?! |
| 00:17.14 | Gnarfoz | what are you ?! ing about? |
| 00:17.34 | znf | did you get 2 error messages for 2 different recipients? |
| 00:17.42 | Gnarfoz | no, because it was just one mail. |
| 00:17.48 | znf | then the other one got it... |
| 00:17.56 | Gnarfoz | that would mean they would have had to accept the mail |
| 00:18.00 | Gnarfoz | not reject it |
| 00:18.27 | Gnarfoz | you are right though |
| 00:18.32 | Gnarfoz | it magically split it up |
| 00:18.47 | Gnarfoz | let's hope "cbenners" reads his mail, then |
| 00:19.10 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: no, more |
| 00:20.10 | Gnarfoz | I'll ask Nils to get me a name/address if this one doesn't work out, then :P |
| 00:20.15 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/BfVCys8.png |
| 00:20.16 | znf | see? |
| 00:21.15 | Gnarfoz | could have also aborted the entire session of course |
| 00:21.27 | Gnarfoz | the crucial part is: it still says "queued" at the end |
| 00:21.44 | kd3 | bleh, looks like I still have 9-something gigs left to download for ptr. I think I'll pass |
| 00:21.55 | Gnarfoz | the only line you usually get in the "undelivered mail" mails is the actual line that errored |
| 00:22.03 | Gnarfoz | which leaves you (or rather, me) guessing |
| 00:22.22 | znf | kd3, silly |
| 00:22.31 | Gnarfoz | but... then I realized that it's my own mail server I'm mailing over, so I just looked at the logs and saw the separate log lines for both recipients |
| 00:22.33 | znf | should have copied your MPQs into the PTR |
| 00:22.52 | Stanzilla | the ptr does that znf |
| 00:22.56 | Stanzilla | still stuff left to download |
| 00:22.58 | znf | since when? O.O |
| 00:23.04 | Stanzilla | today |
| 00:23.11 | znf | holy shit smart |
| 00:23.19 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/509483534952984576 |
| 00:23.47 | znf | the hell is wrong with my twitter today |
| 00:23.52 | znf | I keep getting SPDY errors |
| 00:23.59 | Gnarfoz | not so spdy, eh? |
| 00:24.27 | Gnarfoz | good thing everyone has facebook in the US https://www.facebook.com/christopher.benners |
| 00:24.30 | znf | it's probably my fault for doing a flag-spree :D |
| 00:24.37 | Gnarfoz | at least he seems to still be working for them ;P |
| 00:25.41 | Gnarfoz | http://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherbenners |
| 00:25.43 | Gnarfoz | ...what |
| 00:25.51 | Gnarfoz | IT service management analyst |
| 00:26.06 | Gnarfoz | how does HIS email end up attached to a fucking netblock |
| 00:26.08 | znf | what does that even mean? |
| 00:26.16 | Gnarfoz | no idea |
| 00:26.35 | znf | definately not network stuff :D |
| 00:27.50 | Gnarfoz | well, https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/lookup.html?source=ripe&key=2a04%3Ae800%3A%3A/29&type=inet6num :\ it's all I've got :p |
| 00:28.11 | Gnarfoz | *nukes all related browser tabs* |
| 00:28.36 | znf | https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/lookup.html?source=ripe&key=MAINT-BLIZZARD-EU&type=mntner |
| 00:28.39 | znf | that's even more sad |
| 00:28.46 | znf | https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/lookup.html?source=ripe&key=CB13440-RIPE&type=person |
| 00:29.00 | znf | call him :D |
| 00:29.03 | Gnarfoz | yes... |
| 00:29.06 | Gnarfoz | I can click links too |
| 00:29.17 | znf | wait |
| 00:29.18 | znf | calls him |
| 00:29.31 | Gnarfoz | good luck |
| 00:29.37 | nebula169 | znf, you missed https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/lookup.html?source=ripe&key=RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT&type=mntner and https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/lookup.html?source=ripe&key=ORG-BEI2-RIPE&type=organisation |
| 00:30.00 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: and http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf ... slacker, znf |
| 00:30.18 | znf | why would I care for RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT and ORG-BEI2-RIPE? :-| |
| 00:30.30 | znf | should mail marko@blizzard.com |
| 00:30.37 | Gnarfoz | because the latter is actually useful |
| 00:30.53 | Gnarfoz | I knew there was one more name I missed from way back when I first researched this |
| 00:31.09 | znf | the fuck |
| 00:31.19 | znf | this call is not covered by your current plan |
| 00:31.23 | znf | wth my VoIP provider? |
| 00:31.37 | nebula169 | can't call internationally? |
| 00:31.40 | znf | yeah |
| 00:31.41 | znf | wtf |
| 00:32.29 | Primer | most VOIP providers block that until you expressly ask them to add it |
| 00:32.34 | znf | works now |
| 00:32.39 | Primer | because there's a lot of hacking in VOIP |
| 00:32.41 | znf | had to use 00 |
| 00:32.43 | znf | instead of +01 |
| 00:34.04 | Gnarfoz | it should have been +1, anyway |
| 00:34.05 | znf | ok, got to an operator |
| 00:34.10 | znf | I know it should |
| 00:34.14 | znf | so, ipv6 dt, right? |
| 00:34.20 | Gnarfoz | what >_> |
| 00:34.32 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i don't see it, but is there a keybinding set for "summon random mount" |
| 00:34.33 | Gnarfoz | do you want the email? |
| 00:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | or do i have to drag it to an action bar and bind that :/ |
| 00:34.50 | Mr_Rabies | (on 6.0) |
| 00:35.09 | Gnarfoz | don't try and call someone in a totally different timezone with random "someone said ipv6 doesn't work" stuff :p |
| 00:35.12 | nebula169 | i did the latter, didn't look through the keybinds, though |
| 00:36.25 | znf | Gnarfoz, they're working on it |
| 00:37.22 | znf | he forwarded to their negineers |
| 00:37.25 | znf | engineers |
| 00:37.31 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 00:37.40 | znf | apparently that guy still works for blizzard (the korean dude) |
| 00:37.42 | znf | but his email is wrong |
| 00:38.14 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: so he's a secret agent sent by Blizzard to disrupt Riot's operations! :P |
| 00:38.33 | znf | and I need to have a chat with my VoIP provider asking why the fuck does this shit sound like a tin-can |
| 00:38.47 | znf | local calls sound perfect |
| 00:38.48 | Gnarfoz | znf: so... wait, did you talk to someone? which number did you call, then |
| 00:38.50 | znf | but this was horrible |
| 00:38.55 | znf | I talked with Benners |
| 00:39.03 | znf | +01 (949) 9551380 ext. 14894 |
| 00:39.06 | znf | that's the extension :P |
| 00:39.13 | Gnarfoz | obviously |
| 00:39.15 | znf | at least the number is correct! :D |
| 00:39.29 | Gnarfoz | could have called some other number too, though, so I'm just confirming |
| 00:39.38 | znf | yeah |
| 00:40.07 | znf | tl;dr - got your email, Chris Wiese ? |
| 00:40.10 | znf | what's your name exactly? :D |
| 00:40.24 | znf | Wiese, ok |
| 00:40.26 | znf | I got it |
| 00:41.50 | Gnarfoz | fascinating |
| 00:42.32 | znf | I always like how them americans talk :P |
| 00:42.34 | znf | lots of "yeah..." |
| 00:43.38 | Gnarfoz | he's near L.A., shouldn't it be lots of "like" :D |
| 00:44.00 | Gnarfoz | or well, think he's from Texas, or at least went to college there, too much stalking already ;p |
| 00:44.42 | znf | uhm |
| 00:44.42 | znf | I just realized something weird |
| 00:44.42 | znf | if I tilt my head to the left/right |
| 00:44.42 | znf | I have a slight buzzing in my headphones |
| 00:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | you sure it's the headphones |
| 00:45.57 | Gnarfoz | there, if you're curious what I wrote |
| 00:47.23 | znf | ok, I just got your email |
| 00:47.27 | znf | but my gmail says "34 minutes ago" |
| 00:47.28 | znf | wtf? |
| 00:47.32 | Gnarfoz | I redirected it |
| 00:47.47 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you can't put arbitrary dates/times in the headers |
| 00:48.08 | znf | I was pretty sure gmail changes that timestamp to the actual time it received the message |
| 00:48.16 | Gnarfoz | clearly... it doesn't :D |
| 00:48.37 | znf | that should really be the way servers work |
| 00:48.43 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 00:48.53 | Gnarfoz | znf: it shows the actual recieve time in the list |
| 00:49.00 | Gnarfoz | but when you open the mail, it shows what's in the headers |
| 00:49.06 | znf | indeed it does |
| 00:49.07 | Arrowmaster | if the time is too far off it will probably be flagged as spam though |
| 00:49.17 | znf | still weird |
| 00:49.46 | Gnarfoz | not really, there's a reason proper email clients (:P) have columns for both "created date" and "received date" |
| 00:50.18 | Gnarfoz | gmail just does... something ^^ and makes you guess |
| 00:50.44 | Gnarfoz | huh, gmail doesn't show s/mime certs at all? |
| 00:50.52 | Gnarfoz | (well... as a dumb attachment) |
| 00:51.02 | Gnarfoz | -certs +signatures, of course |
| 00:51.59 | Gnarfoz | god damnit, I've only worn these contacts for 14 hours and I can already not imagine going back to wearing glasses >_> |
| 00:52.46 | kd3 | I just can't do contacts. fighting the 'zOMG something touching my eye. BAD!' instinct was too hard for me |
| 00:53.40 | znf | Gnarfoz, what brand? |
| 00:54.27 | znf | also, how often do you have to take them off? |
| 00:56.56 | Simca | Semlar: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14277648254#1 reported that bug |
| 00:56.59 | Simca | and the cache bug |
| 00:59.27 | Gnarfoz | is the brand terribly important? :o |
| 00:59.45 | Gnarfoz | Johnson+Johnson |
| 00:59.47 | znf | Gnarfoz, uhm, yes? |
| 01:00.04 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 01:00.16 | znf | because different materials? :D |
| 01:02.07 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 01:02.11 | Gnarfoz | https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Yh4owzQLqp9H9kGDOEmJ1MRk2fqcThP6nVyJEjoEMnkb=w1313-h985 |
| 01:03.10 | znf | oh, so 1 day only? :-( |
| 01:04.16 | znf | because I was looking at http://www.bausch.com/our-products/contact-lenses/lenses-for-nearsighted-farsighted/purevision2-contact-lenses |
| 01:04.19 | znf | Approved for extended wear up to 30 days*. |
| 01:04.47 | Gnarfoz | there's lots of choices available, that's just what the optometrist gave me |
| 01:05.18 | znf | I am only considering contacts because I saw these that you can wear for 30 days |
| 01:05.28 | Gnarfoz | I'm only trying them out to see how contacts even feel/handle, etc. day lenses seem appropriate for that ^^ |
| 01:05.28 | znf | replacing them daily (or taking them off when I sleep) is a big no no |
| 01:05.46 | znf | true |
| 01:05.58 | nebula169 | hurts my eyes thinking about wearing a contact for 30 days |
| 01:06.00 | Gnarfoz | there's ones you can wear even longer, but you do have to take them out and clean them regardless |
| 01:06.58 | znf | I don't want to get them out and clean them :( |
| 01:07.03 | znf | I can barely put eyedrops! |
| 01:07.44 | Gnarfoz | please talk to an ophthalmologist ("eye doctor" :P) and optometrist (optician?) before just getting "it says 30 days!" contacts and doing whatever you think seems sane :P |
| 01:08.35 | znf | oh, btw, does wow happen to have surround support? |
| 01:10.58 | Gnarfoz | doesn't particularly look like it |
| 01:11.29 | nebula169 | Enable Software HRTF [1] |
| 01:11.32 | nebula169 | Using Control Panel Speaker Mode 7.1 |
| 01:11.38 | nebula169 | maybe? |
| 01:11.39 | nebula169 | :p |
| 01:11.43 | znf | I can only find threads from ~2009 |
| 01:11.53 | znf | then some people in ~2011 complaining that it doesn't work :D |
| 01:12.47 | znf | I have a "small" fear that my headphones will die soon |
| 01:12.57 | znf | last year they died ~1 week before warranty expired |
| 01:14.11 | Gnarfoz | just in time, then. |
| 01:14.16 | znf | yup |
| 01:14.25 | znf | oh, it was November |
| 01:14.33 | znf | ok, so I have 2 more months to worry about it |
| 01:14.49 | Gnarfoz | nebula169: yeah, there's that "enable headphone mode" option (not sure what you're looking at there), which, I think, means using HRTF, but the other thing you pasted I see nowhere |
| 01:16.21 | nebula169 | oh, i just looked at sound.log, thought i remembered seeing it init openal/eax but didn't see anything like that |
| 01:18.18 | Gnarfoz | ah, sound.log, yeah |
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| 01:18.37 | Gnarfoz | well, "using speaker mode" doesn't imply they're feeding it signals on any channels other than L and R ^^ |
| 01:20.12 | Gnarfoz | znf: well, at least the PDFs say that the contacts CAN be prescribed (!) for both daily and continuous wear (i.e. including over night); but for the love of your eyesight, ask a professional first :o |
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| 01:20.21 | znf | ofc I will... |
| 01:20.37 | znf | I'm not going to get contacts by my own :D |
| 01:21.17 | Gnarfoz | ^_o |
| 01:21.53 | znf | I'm still on the fence for doing lasik |
| 01:21.59 | znf | I have the money, but... dunno |
| 01:22.36 | Gnarfoz | I'd check alternatives out first ^^ |
| 01:22.54 | znf | why, if I may ask? |
| 01:26.30 | Gnarfoz | because the alternatives are not permanent :P |
| 01:26.46 | Gnarfoz | (mainly: contacts, you're already wearing glasses anyway) |
| 01:27.57 | znf | yeah, and I hate them |
| 01:28.16 | znf | my current ones leave a red mark on my nose :( |
| 01:28.27 | znf | and I can't seem to get them positioned properly to not do that anymore |
| 01:28.28 | Gnarfoz | and I hear that LASIK (also, check out which procedure that would actually be, there's at least a handful of different techniques that are (wrongly) referred to as LASIK) has a good chance to cause dry eyes, which means you'll run around with eye drops in your pocket for... well, a long time, probably |
| 01:28.52 | znf | I read about that, seems there's like a 1% chance |
| 01:29.06 | Gnarfoz | 1%? nah, that's the most common complication |
| 01:29.36 | Gnarfoz | if the most common one is only 1%, you could practically call it "safe" :D |
| 01:29.59 | znf | that's what I remember reading |
| 01:30.10 | Gnarfoz | maybe you need a lighter frame & lenses? smaller nose bridge? differently shaped one? a frame with "nose pads" instead? etc. |
| 01:30.42 | znf | I have nose pads |
| 01:30.52 | znf | I had them replaced to softer silicone ones |
| 01:30.57 | Gnarfoz | also, correctly centering + seating your glasses is also optician/optometrist territory (especially if you have problems with it) |
| 01:31.03 | Gnarfoz | well, :| |
| 01:31.36 | Gnarfoz | go to a body mod salon and have them implant some metal under the skin on your nose! |
| 01:31.45 | znf | that looks weird :D |
| 01:31.51 | znf | I saw those thingies |
| 01:31.52 | znf | no way |
| 01:32.09 | Gnarfoz | definitely... but apparently some people like that sort of thing ^^ |
| 01:32.24 | znf | so, oppinions |
| 01:32.48 | znf | I want to make a simple system (ie: web ui) that lists all active leases in my dhcp-server |
| 01:33.10 | Stanzilla | wasn't znf the guy with the totally out of place looking glasses that made him look like the blind guy from star trek? |
| 01:33.23 | znf | Stanzilla, you saw ONE PICTURE! |
| 01:33.24 | znf | >_< |
| 01:33.36 | Stanzilla | star trek guy confirmed |
| 01:33.47 | znf | :-( |
| 01:33.54 | Primer | Znuff LaForge |
| 01:34.20 | znf | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10361524_757341494307724_3656614037578126398_n.jpg?oh=d7cafbe1ad6ccecf0e17dd311e4df098&oe=54938216&__gda__=1418967420_c7911dfd9ebb0566b18dc83a308d6cc6 |
| 01:34.21 | znf | c'mon |
| 01:34.28 | znf | I don't look like that :( |
| 01:34.42 | Stanzilla | yes you do |
| 01:34.46 | Gnarfoz | that looks a lot different than what I had in my head |
| 01:34.50 | Primer | At least you don't have gray hair :( |
| 01:35.15 | znf | Gnarfoz, uhm, I'm afraid to ask... |
| 01:35.26 | Gnarfoz | no you're not |
| 01:35.45 | Gnarfoz | and I meant I remembered a way older picture |
| 01:35.55 | Gnarfoz | with curly hair? almost afro |
| 01:35.59 | znf | ah, the one with the pink shirt |
| 01:36.03 | znf | still have curly hair... >_< |
| 01:36.09 | znf | I was just fatter in that picture |
| 01:36.13 | Gnarfoz | not on those pictures ^ |
| 01:36.26 | Gnarfoz | (well, it's too short to tell) |
| 01:36.34 | znf | yeah, if I keep it short you can't really tell |
| 01:36.58 | znf | also different glasses back then, made my face look weirder |
| 01:37.35 | znf | so, anyway, I was saying |
| 01:38.00 | znf | I want to make a simple system (ie: web ui) that lists all active leases in my dhcp-server. I got this part, I get everything into an associative array |
| 01:38.10 | Primer | in...PHP? |
| 01:38.21 | znf | also I need to compare it to another list (from my firewall) |
| 01:38.33 | znf | question is, I need the data in almost-realtime |
| 01:38.57 | Primer | That's not a question |
| 01:38.59 | znf | is it worth storing that data in a database if the state of items is stored in my router anyway? |
| 01:39.22 | Neffi | can you query those items from the command line? |
| 01:39.44 | znf | yeah, I'm actually getting them from the router with its own API |
| 01:39.50 | Neffi | if so any language with a socket API and a popen is enough |
| 01:40.01 | Primer | indeed |
| 01:40.07 | znf | I already have that, that's not the issue :P |
| 01:40.23 | znf | I'm just wondering if I should even use a database for this project |
| 01:40.25 | Primer | Only store in a db if you plan to keep historical data |
| 01:40.27 | Primer | otherwise no |
| 01:40.29 | znf | good |
| 01:40.32 | Neffi | I don't see why you'd store them in a database over just querying them on-demand |
| 01:40.34 | Primer | makes no sense |
| 01:40.42 | Primer | IMO |
| 01:40.50 | znf | thanks, that's what I thought, just had some second doubts |
| 01:41.01 | Neffi | You'd just end up potentially presenting outdated data via the HTML UI. It's not like performance for this has to be sub-microsecond |
| 01:41.02 | znf | like, I'm getting data like this: http://c.n-zone.ro/ |
| 01:41.13 | znf | so an array of the things I need |
| 01:41.23 | znf | should be fairly easy to do what I need! |
| 01:41.40 | Primer | yup, PHP |
| 01:41.50 | znf | yeah, it's easier for me to stick to what I know :D |
| 01:42.00 | Neffi | Use Lua ;) |
| 01:42.12 | Primer | nothing wrong with PHP |
| 01:42.15 | znf | why would I use lua in a web environment? :D |
| 01:42.16 | Primer | was just wondering |
| 01:42.38 | Neffi | znf: i don't see why not. Was just teasing, really, but Lua's up to the task |
| 01:43.04 | znf | I know it is, but I always found anything else than PHP to be a pain to get working under apache |
| 01:43.12 | znf | I still have nightmares from that time I tried to use mod_perl |
| 01:43.23 | znf | I was young and foolish and I didn't know! |
| 01:43.28 | Neffi | For just an HTML UI, do you really need a proper web server? |
| 01:43.54 | znf | I run other websites, too :P |
| 01:43.55 | Neffi | Then again I'm no web dev, so you probably outrank me in this wisdom |
| 01:44.12 | TC-Work | I tend to do cgi for simple shit. |
| 01:44.29 | znf | I mean, the environment is already there |
| 01:44.32 | Gnarfoz | uhm what, Dell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hITOahA4cnU |
| 01:44.34 | TC-Work | My boss got less than happy at that so now I am bashing my head against django. |
| 01:44.48 | TC-Work | and js |
| 01:44.53 | Neffi | your boss got upset over cgi? |
| 01:45.04 | Gnarfoz | no, via cgi |
| 01:45.41 | TC-Work | cgi as common gateway interface, not graphicss. |
| 01:45.44 | TC-Work | graphics* |
| 01:46.00 | Gnarfoz | nobody was thinking graphics |
| 01:46.08 | Gnarfoz | (maybe Stanzilla) |
| 01:46.10 | TC-Work | I was. |
| 01:46.28 | Gnarfoz | you... what |
| 01:46.28 | TC-Work | CGI is one of our primary aliases. |
| 01:46.30 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:46.35 | znf | huh |
| 01:46.35 | TC-Work | I work at a VFX house. |
| 01:46.45 | Stanzilla | (I wasn't) |
| 01:47.00 | znf | nah, Stanzilla thought it was some secret alpha/beta version of $populaSoftware |
| 01:47.00 | znf | :D |
| 01:47.05 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: o.O |
| 01:47.07 | Stanzilla | (no) |
| 01:47.12 | Neffi | why the `what`? |
| 01:47.15 | Gnarfoz | it's not a real house, then |
| 01:47.21 | TC-Work | But the reason he got upset was because it didn't have the same look as the rest of the facility. |
| 01:48.12 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: should have probably been a 'why' in hindsight |
| 01:48.26 | Neffi | ah, that makes more sense. I can agree with that sentiment |
| 01:48.49 | znf | I think it was mostly a http://i.imgur.com/Y0Wp5o5.jpg |
| 01:49.22 | Gnarfoz | right, I'm losing track of which "what" we're talking about, so I guess it's time to sleeeps |
| 01:49.26 | znf | soooo... now I need to brush my ajax skills |
| 01:49.43 | znf | weren't we talking about this? <Gnarfoz> you... what |
| 01:49.44 | Gnarfoz | (and take out these contacts... hopefully that's not as hard as putting them in) |
| 01:49.47 | Neffi | znf: http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo152/TWBNuts/brushie.gif |
| 01:49.53 | Gnarfoz | I think it might have been about the Dell link, znf |
| 01:50.02 | Gnarfoz | because I also "what"'d there |
| 01:50.04 | znf | Why do you even photobucket, Neffi? :-| |
| 01:50.10 | Gnarfoz | what is now a verb, just FYI |
| 01:50.16 | Neffi | google images D: |
| 01:52.03 | znf | looking at that video |
| 01:52.17 | znf | is anyone actually setting IPs manually (not DHCP) in a data-center? |
| 01:53.22 | Gnarfoz | definitely |
| 01:53.22 | Neffi | dude, you don't manage your IPs via a chalkboard in the break room? |
| 01:54.49 | Gnarfoz | if you had properly set up and managed DHCP |
| 01:54.57 | Gnarfoz | that's only one step away from network booting! |
| 01:55.01 | Gnarfoz | can't have that. |
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| 01:55.11 | Gnarfoz | so we stay at least two steps away. |
| 01:55.12 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 01:55.57 | znf | uhm |
| 01:56.07 | znf | looks at his network booting setup |
| 01:56.13 | znf | ok |
| 01:57.19 | Gnarfoz | (you don't have to, of course, but it lends itself to it - you'd already have the necessary host<>mac mapping) |
| 01:57.39 | Gnarfoz | tomorrow is long-ass network meeting day, incidentally |
| 01:57.44 | Gnarfoz | so I sould catch some sleep at least >_> |
| 01:58.22 | znf | I just have a tools thingie that I boot over with ipxe |
| 01:58.36 | znf | stuff like gparted live iso, ubuntu netinstall, memtest etc. |
| 01:58.38 | Gnarfoz | zomg starts at 10:00 |
| 01:58.44 | znf | heh |
| 01:58.44 | Gnarfoz | fuck my colleague |
| 01:58.48 | znf | you're screwed :D |
| 01:59.21 | Gnarfoz | a bit |
| 02:00.48 | Gnarfoz | wanders off... until Workfoz appears, all annoyed by stupidly long meeting with people who grasp even less of our planning than me - but they're the ones responsible |
| 02:01.10 | znf | hmmm, let's see if I can find a jQuery/bootstrap module that can provide some sort of function/filter for a table |
| 02:02.25 | znf | and found it! |
| 02:02.26 | znf | awesome :D |
| 02:12.47 | znf | <3 Bootstrap |
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| 02:35.57 | Stanzilla | PlaySoundFIle() not working is a bug and should be fixed in a future Beta build. |
| 02:35.57 | Stanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.57 | Stanzilla | In addition, functions that involve add-ons (GetAddonInfo, GetAddonDependances, etc.) should take the name or index. |
| 02:35.59 | Stanzilla | thank god |
| 02:36.11 | Stanzilla | that was so stupid |
| 02:38.44 | znf | I hope the playsoundfile thing also fixes custom sounds |
| 02:39.02 | znf | or did they fix that already in the beta? |
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| 02:53.30 | jleclanch | Fun exercise |
| 02:53.41 | jleclanch | Try to guess within 3 seconds of reading what community this refers to: ""My kid loves it, but I'm the one who has to deal with the mods and the shitty YouTube videos and ad-filled garbage forums made by a community that's somehow never heard of GitHub."" |
| 02:59.54 | kd3 | :( looks like the ms buyout of mojang is actually going to happen |
| 03:01.23 | Neffi | jleclanch: umm... minecraft? |
| 03:02.08 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 03:02.21 | Stanzilla | kd3: "Perhaps of greatest interest to Minecraft fans is that Persson will stay with Mojang through its transition to Microsoft but plans to leave beyond that, according to Bloomberg." is the craziest part |
| 03:02.49 | jleclanch | Neffi: yeah obviously |
| 03:03.09 | Neffi | well that can apply equally well to a few games |
| 03:03.28 | Neffi | but minecraft is the first one that comes to mind, obviously. skyrim is next |
| 03:03.34 | jleclanch | the minecraft situation is absolutely pathetic |
| 03:03.59 | jleclanch | this should have been a great project. went to complete shit despite so much potential and a huge following. incredible how much waste... urgh |
| 03:04.04 | Neffi | I wouldn't know. But the skyrim mod community is so incredibly disjointed it's amazing that they've come up with some of the incredible stuff they have |
| 03:10.36 | Stanzilla | gg, ptr just crashed when I switch to fullscreen windowed |
| 03:11.20 | kd3 | known: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14279268439#1 |
| 03:12.04 | Stanzilla | that said In game |
| 03:12.10 | Stanzilla | mine crashed in the login screen :D |
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| 03:12.57 | Stanzilla | also it even crashes when I leave that option alone and just change other stuff |
| 03:13.50 | Stanzilla | I guess it's their dx11 shader (from the error msg) |
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| 04:30.55 | znf | I don't understand this |
| 04:31.14 | znf | $(this).prev('input').val(''); works just fine if I call the function via a mouse click |
| 04:31.29 | znf | but doesn't if I call it via the escape key |
| 04:31.32 | znf | wtf |
| 04:33.06 | Trela | Welcome to Javascript. Abandon all hope. |
| 04:36.51 | znf | this is amazing |
| 04:37.12 | znf | the only browser where everything about that function works as expected is... IE11 :-| |
| 04:37.30 | Torhal | sells Trela to Microsoft for $2B. |
| 04:37.57 | Trela | Only if I get a 10% cut. |
| 04:38.18 | znf | I'd settle for %1 |
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| 04:57.22 | Simca | lake working as intended: http://i.imgur.com/7zOsvFi.jpg |
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| 04:59.26 | Simca | "help there's a lake in my lake!" |
| 04:59.28 | Jamash | Simca: At first I couldn't see what was wrong, it was too ridiculous for my brain to process. |
| 05:00.28 | Simca | the game thinks the same thing, since it keeps swapping me between flying and swimming |
| 05:01.05 | znf | 30 minutes later... |
| 05:01.14 | znf | "how the fuck did this work on IE11? it shouldn't have!" |
| 05:02.02 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/pWY7qs1.png #usefulbugreports |
| 05:04.20 | Primer | man, you'd think the PTR would be smart enough to at least copy your damn key bindings over |
| 05:05.10 | Primer | doh, changed some graphical settings and it seg'd |
| 05:05.25 | Simca | don't change graphical settings ingame or it will crash' |
| 05:05.27 | Simca | known bug |
| 05:05.30 | Simca | use Config.wtf |
| 05:05.36 | Primer | thanks |
| 05:05.40 | Simca | yep |
| 05:07.33 | Primer | why is UI scaling NOT the default? |
| 05:07.50 | Fisker | I like you Simca |
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| 05:11.09 | Primer | dammit, it crashed on exit |
| 05:14.16 | Primer | ok, not liking these talent changes |
| 05:14.27 | Primer | Howl of Terror is a talent again |
| 05:24.14 | znf | Primer, what do you mean? |
| 05:24.19 | znf | I don't use UI scale |
| 05:24.22 | znf | why should it be default? |
| 05:25.35 | znf | especially since uiscale=1 is not the same as uiscale disabled |
| 05:27.12 | znf | sleep time! |
| 05:35.24 | zenzelezz | are they doing something particularly special during this week's maintenance? I don't recall last time I saw a 12-hour scheduled one |
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| 06:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | oh jesus |
| 06:18.52 | Mr_Rabies | porting my addons folder to ptr was ill-advised |
| 06:21.00 | zenzelezz | I suppose "porting" means "copying" in this case? |
| 06:21.26 | Mr_Rabies | er yeah |
| 06:21.32 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i meant |
| 06:22.15 | Mr_Rabies | basically, everything's broken, lol |
| 06:22.34 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully some of these abandoned ones either get picked up or their authors return |
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| 06:54.24 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies, abandoned doesnt mean shit |
| 06:54.51 | karl_w_w | it just means it hasn't been updated in over a month or during the current patch |
| 06:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | it does if i can't fix them myself |
| 06:55.07 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i don't mean the tag abandoned or whatever, wherever that might be |
| 06:55.49 | Mr_Rabies | i mean my personal definition, which means hasn't received any updates in a few months or since the latest content patch |
| 06:56.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's abandoned if no one's working on it, as far as i'm concerned |
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| 07:15.45 | nevcairiel | its only abandoned if it also breaks, otherwise the author may just be happy with how it is! |
| 07:16.17 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: Xloot work? |
| 07:16.27 | Xuerian | (Screw downloading the ptr >_>) |
| 07:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | don't use it, sorry :( |
| 07:16.36 | Xuerian | </3 |
| 07:16.54 | Mr_Rabies | if you have the 5.4.8 ptr, it'll migrate, or i think even Maldivia's migrated from live? |
| 07:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | or somethign |
| 07:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | and then it's only ~10GB download total, and you can play way sooner than that |
| 07:17.12 | Xuerian | pff, I don't have any ptr, I don't play this silly game |
| 07:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | i can check it, i guess |
| 07:17.38 | Xuerian | Nah it's fine, I'll get complaints if it breaks :3 |
| 07:17.54 | Mr_Rabies | how do you update addons without having access to the game for testing? :o |
| 07:18.19 | Xuerian | The free-under-20 account |
| 07:18.45 | Xuerian | Which I guess could apply to the ptr. No idea |
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| 07:21.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's commendable you update addons without caring about the game anymore, i wouldn't do it |
| 07:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | soon as i login i get an error |
| 07:25.31 | Mr_Rabies | pming it to ya |
| 07:31.20 | Maldivia | yeah, I mine migrated from live |
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| 07:49.36 | Shirik | has returned! |
| 07:49.39 | Shirik | be afraid! |
| 07:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | BEWARE, I LIVE |
| 07:50.18 | Mr_Rabies | RUN, COWARD |
| 07:50.29 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:50.38 | Fisker | You're a bad man |
| 07:50.45 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:50.48 | Shirik | no I am not :( |
| 07:51.19 | Fisker | I feel hate for the one who took mother |
| 07:52.36 | Mr_Rabies | so mythic mode's in, but not transforming gear, SOO wise |
| 07:52.40 | Mr_Rabies | it seems locked at 20 players |
| 07:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | which is gonna create hell on oct 14 or whenever this hits |
| 07:52.55 | nevcairiel | mythic is supposed to be locked at 20 |
| 07:53.10 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i didn't know if it applied on SoO or just WoD stuff, though |
| 07:53.27 | nevcairiel | they intentionally converted SoO to the new system for players to experience it |
| 07:53.29 | Mr_Rabies | buncha 10 man groups are gonna explode on launch day, i imagine |
| 07:53.38 | nevcairiel | that also includes scaling 10-30 players for normal and heroic |
| 07:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't have the new loot system though :( |
| 07:53.58 | nevcairiel | mythic gets a new loot system? |
| 07:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | no, WoD does |
| 07:54.23 | Mr_Rabies | the transforming armor pieces that change stats depending on spec |
| 07:54.45 | nevcairiel | would hardly call that a loot system, its more a property of the item, not how the items are distributed |
| 07:54.49 | nevcairiel | but yes, thats only on WoD items |
| 07:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | weird for them to change one raid dynamic and not the other |
| 07:55.17 | nevcairiel | its not a raid thing, it applies to pretty much all gear |
| 07:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | because essentially removing both (current) 10 and 25 man heroic mode and replacing with 20 man mythic is gonna get cray |
| 07:55.46 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but the primary goal is a raid one |
| 07:55.55 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 07:56.07 | Mr_Rabies | the other goals are nice in that hybrids won't have to carry multiple sets around for armor pieces |
| 07:56.24 | Mr_Rabies | but the main goal is doing away with the int plate problem |
| 07:56.29 | Mr_Rabies | and int mail, etc |
| 07:56.46 | nevcairiel | thats hardly the primary goal |
| 07:57.09 | nevcairiel | its much more important to them to allow players to experience the diversity of their class more |
| 07:57.36 | Xuerian | Seems like an opportunity to make cool, unique items instead of having to hit a quota each time |
| 07:58.01 | Mr_Rabies | i guess it's just how you see it i guess |
| 07:58.05 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:58.06 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i guess i guess |
| 07:58.13 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 07:58.14 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:58.19 | Fisker | Do you know why apple users are suddenly very enthused about mobile payments using NFC? |
| 07:58.30 | Fisker | I do not understand the sudden appreciation for dated technology |
| 07:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | just died in SoO because i got stuck behind trash, and did "teleport to graveyard" |
| 07:58.43 | Xuerian | o_O |
| 07:58.45 | Mr_Rabies | it ressed me inside the instance at the beginning :D i forgot about that |
| 07:58.52 | nevcairiel | in any case, they would've had to re-design half of the SoO loot tables and throw out a bunch of items to do that change, makes no sense really |
| 07:58.54 | Kalroth | Fisker: you better Watch it, smarty pants! |
| 07:59.05 | Mr_Rabies | such a QoL improvement to not have to die, zone out, zone back in |
| 07:59.20 | Shirik | Fisker: because they have forgotten that apple uses security through obscurity |
| 07:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | i'm convinced the new night elf run animation is a WIP |
| 08:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | because it's almost exactly like the female pandaren run animation |
| 08:00.26 | Mr_Rabies | male night elf, taht is |
| 08:00.27 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid, i run faster than other night elfs, it looks different anyway |
| 08:00.33 | nevcairiel | but i'm also female |
| 08:00.35 | Mr_Rabies | dunno about female Nelves |
| 08:01.19 | Kalroth | hot |
| 08:01.20 | Mr_Rabies | your upper body bounces around like your spine is detached |
| 08:01.38 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully it gets cleaned up a bit between now and 6.0, or at least WoD |
| 08:01.50 | nevcairiel | didnt notice such things with the female |
| 08:01.52 | Mr_Rabies | the sprint animation is much smoother |
| 08:06.40 | Mr_Rabies | i still don't get why #showtooltip is still required for /cast macros :( |
| 08:07.00 | Mr_Rabies | they should do #notooltip to do what's currently default, and bake #showtooltip in |
| 08:08.32 | nevcairiel | seems like a useless thing to complain about though |
| 08:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | what does? |
| 08:11.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's dumb to have to type #showtooltip at the beginning of every /cast macro, who doesn't use it for any reason other than it won't fit in a really advanced macro? |
| 08:12.11 | nevcairiel | the p oint is, you spend more time complaining now than it would ever take to just do it :P |
| 08:12.41 | Mr_Rabies | but what about thousands of people doing it hundreds of times each? surely that takes time |
| 08:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, i literally did it /while/ complaining about it |
| 08:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't expect someone from blizzard to pop in and go "okay fixed it rabies thanks for the idea" |
| 08:13.50 | Mr_Rabies | i was starting a discussion on the issue :o |
| 08:14.18 | nevcairiel | nah, you're complaining |
| 08:16.05 | nevcairiel | the game has so many issues, if i could make a list of 10 that get fixed, that surely wouldn't be in the top 100 :P |
| 08:16.10 | Mr_Rabies | discussion never comes from someone expressing frustration |
| 08:16.30 | Mr_Rabies | in fact, we're not discussing it now or anything |
| 08:18.07 | Mr_Rabies | the big issues are the obvious ones people talk about all the time, those will get tended to with time, but if there are small annoyances throughout with a relatively easy fix, why not discuss those? |
| 08:19.14 | Mr_Rabies | looking at all the amazing ui changes in 6.0, it kinda baffled me that that wasn't changed yet, and it's probably because not enough people are discussing it |
| 08:19.59 | nevcairiel | maybe you should discuss it somewhere that blizzard is actually known to follow then |
| 08:20.40 | Mr_Rabies | okay sure i'll only discuss the game in official channels cool thanks for the idea |
| 08:22.59 | Mr_Rabies | (i'm basically asking if you're so opposed to discussion why randomly be a jerk to me about it and instead just ignore the conversation?) |
| 08:23.27 | Mr_Rabies | now i feel like i have to be a jerk in response because that's how i'm wired i guess, and i really don't mean to :( |
| 08:24.26 | nevcairiel | all i'm saying is that no amount of discussion is going to change anything, unless blizzard sees it |
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| 08:27.32 | Mr_Rabies | they're not gonna see it in here, no, but doesn't mean we can't discuss it and i can't slowly sway public opinion in my favor on these things with time |
| 08:27.59 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i feel that's far more effective than one of hundreds of posts on a forum without a suggestions subforum anymore anyway |
| 08:28.13 | Mr_Rabies | hundreds of posts that hour* |
| 08:28.25 | Mr_Rabies | either way |
| 08:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even wanna discuss it anymore |
| 08:30.03 | Constie | I don't put in #showtooltip when it's a macro that I just bind to a key and never put on a visible bar, but even then it wouldn't hurt to have it shown by default. |
| 08:30.53 | Mr_Rabies | apologies for being a jerk nevcairiel, i probably took your comments too harshly |
| 08:30.57 | Mr_Rabies | i do this when i'm tired |
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| 09:30.14 | Workfoz | IRC at 160 km/h - Datenautobahn is not a misnomer ð |
| 09:31.02 | nevcairiel | i hope you arent the one driving |
| 09:32.14 | Workfoz | Haha, nah, I'm not |
| 09:37.58 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: if you check scrollback from around when I pinged you last night, you'll see that, apparently someone is now on the DTAG/blizz IPv6 case |
| 09:38.07 | nevcairiel | really |
| 09:38.17 | Alram | Workfoz disrupting car systems with all those irc packetz |
| 09:38.21 | Alram | inb4crash |
| 09:38.23 | Alram | rp |
| 09:38.27 | Alram | rip too |
| 09:39.52 | Workfoz | Clogging the Datenautobahn with IRC packets |
| 09:40.15 | nevcairiel | not that it really matters that we get to use IPv6 with WoW, but still would be nice to get it fixed |
| 09:40.42 | sb | nevcairiel: does matter if you are behind some stupid "dual stack light" solution |
| 09:40.50 | nevcairiel | sb: get proper isp |
| 09:40.59 | nevcairiel | also, if you're not dtag, it may even work for oyu |
| 09:41.48 | sb | not me, i called them and told them to give me real dual-stack because it want to access my surveillance camera from the interwebs, they did :D |
| 09:42.01 | sb | well it works, but its laggy :| |
| 09:42.06 | sb | bad routing |
| 09:42.10 | nevcairiel | point is, its a dtag problem here |
| 09:42.14 | sb | i see |
| 09:42.51 | nevcairiel | dont think dtag even does dual-stack l ite |
| 09:42.59 | nevcairiel | their netblock is big enough |
| 09:43.06 | nevcairiel | .. for now anyway |
| 09:44.05 | nevcairiel | in other topics, can i use character boost on a level 90 char to get free professions? |
| 09:44.06 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:47.59 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/y3JMAP9.jpg haha |
| 10:23.22 | Workfoz | nevcairiel: I think so, yes |
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| 11:10.05 | sb | but professions are already ~free in WoD |
| 11:10.25 | sb | loot some garrison items, get 5 points / item |
| 11:17.07 | nevcairiel | for 0 to 600 thats still a lot of those items |
| 11:17.33 | nevcairiel | and it requires mats to combine with those garrison items |
| 11:25.14 | Semlar | loots sb |
| 11:25.45 | sb | nevcairiel: which can be bought for garrison ressources |
| 11:30.26 | zenzelezz | which professions are you thinking of? Gathering is rather simple and quick to level, and certain crafting too |
| 11:30.41 | nevcairiel | lw |
| 11:30.47 | Semlar | raid professions only professions |
| 11:30.52 | nevcairiel | gathering is trivial to level these days |
| 11:30.53 | zenzelezz | never done that one |
| 11:31.02 | zenzelezz | was gathering ever non-trivial? |
| 11:31.31 | nevcairiel | well these days you can just fly around mop zones from 1 on |
| 11:31.36 | nevcairiel | dont have to go to old continents |
| 11:31.43 | Semlar | i feel like gathering professions should be separate from the rest |
| 11:31.47 | zenzelezz | really? |
| 11:31.56 | nevcairiel | at least mining and herbing |
| 11:32.00 | nevcairiel | not entirely sure about skinning |
| 11:32.32 | zenzelezz | so they have plants (etc.) that take no/low skill, or do all the resources not have a minimum? |
| 11:32.54 | karl_w_w | http://goo.gl/maps/R0ky2 effective blurring |
| 11:33.15 | nevcairiel | you can gather the normal resources, but you dont get the normal results |
| 11:33.41 | nevcairiel | you get fragments, of which 10 make one normal resource, ie. instead of 5 herbs, you get 5 fragments, making half a normal herb :D |
| 11:33.48 | zenzelezz | I'll have to try that sometime |
| 11:34.16 | sb | Semlar: there are no more raid professions :p |
| 11:34.32 | sb | eh, no raid professions anymore |
| 11:34.59 | zenzelezz | on another note... so I'm playing The Walking Dead, season two... and there does not seem to be any way to skip the credit screen... which runs after each episode. Grmbl |
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| 11:35.39 | Semlar | do professions not give bonuses any more or something |
| 11:35.48 | nevcairiel | they do not |
| 11:36.16 | Semlar | really? |
| 11:36.21 | sb | yes, really |
| 11:36.37 | nevcairiel | they wanted to take the raid reason out of the equation for your choice in professions |
| 11:36.47 | nevcairiel | so they no longer give a personal stat bonus |
| 11:36.55 | sb | Semlar: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13423478/#professions |
| 11:36.59 | Semlar | that's going to make a lot of people not bother taking professions |
| 11:37.16 | nevcairiel | thats fine |
| 11:37.17 | sb | you still need flasks, can craft some stuff etc. |
| 11:37.29 | sb | but yes, its fine if you dont take any profession at all |
| 11:37.33 | Semlar | i don't like that change |
| 11:38.28 | nevcairiel | makes it easier for those that bother to sell stuff if all those lazy people just buy of the AH instead |
| 11:41.11 | sb | damn :D |
| 11:42.01 | nevcairiel | being forced to pick a certain professiong for a tiny raid bonus was always stupid, i appreciate being able to choose without being branded by min/maxers as not-optimal :p |
| 11:42.38 | Semlar | well, every crafting profession has the same bonus, more or less |
| 11:43.00 | Semlar | but it gave you a reason to level one |
| 11:43.30 | Semlar | it's certainly the only reason i ever leveled any professions |
| 11:43.42 | nevcairiel | i like being able to craft stuff |
| 11:44.06 | nevcairiel | but I also like being able to gather stuff that i need for crafting |
| 11:44.23 | Semlar | which is why i think gathering professions shouldn't count toward your 2 profession max |
| 11:44.35 | Semlar | or should automatically come with your profession |
| 11:44.42 | nevcairiel | maybe next expansion |
| 11:45.30 | sb | oh, damn, they are also removing 2h flasks |
| 11:45.36 | sb | qq |
| 11:47.11 | Semlar | 2 handed flasks |
| 11:47.22 | zenzelezz | Semlar: I'm glad I wasn't the only one who read it that way |
| 11:47.33 | Semlar | this is what happens when you play diablo |
| 11:48.14 | zenzelezz | that's not where I get it from |
| 11:48.39 | sb | mhhhhh - 2 handed flasks |
| 11:48.42 | sb | that would be cool |
| 11:49.01 | zenzelezz | back in Anarchy Online there were 1-handed and 2-handed weapons; blunt and edged, so you saw "1hb/1he/2hb/2he" all the time |
| 11:49.26 | nevcairiel | sb: how do you know mixology is being removed? |
| 11:50.10 | sb | flasks are only 1 hour on beta - so its only a guess |
| 11:50.41 | nevcairiel | i cant log onto my own char, its broken |
| 11:50.43 | nevcairiel | or the realm is |
| 11:54.25 | Semlar | mixology is a raid bonus so if they're taking those out it's probably being removed |
| 11:54.41 | nevcairiel | it doesnt make you stronger |
| 11:55.10 | Semlar | it doubles the duration of flasks |
| 11:55.16 | nevcairiel | which is not stronger |
| 11:55.48 | nevcairiel | everything else gave you extra stats, not just make you save a bit of gold |
| 11:55.57 | Semlar | it's a reason to pick it up over other professions |
| 11:56.30 | Semlar | why have some other profession if i'm going to be able to use half as many flasks |
| 11:57.02 | nevcairiel | you could've applied that argument to live as well =p |
| 11:57.35 | Semlar | yes, but if they're removing their raid bonuses so people don't feel pressured into leveling a profession just for raiding |
| 11:57.58 | nevcairiel | there is a difference in between being able to compensate that difference with gold, or not even being given the chance |
| 11:58.19 | nevcairiel | i can't buy stats to compensate for the lw bonus enchant, or something |
| 11:58.56 | Kalroth | lw enchant works outside of raids tho |
| 11:59.03 | nevcairiel | so do flasks! |
| 11:59.12 | Kalroth | so neither is a raid bonus! |
| 11:59.19 | Semlar | flasks aren't their raid bonus though |
| 11:59.31 | Semlar | they have some infinite flask they get too |
| 12:00.07 | Kalroth | i think they should remove flasks and go back to elixirs being removed on death! |
| 12:00.11 | nevcairiel | in MoP that flask gives 320 in one stat, while actual flasks give 1000 |
| 12:00.39 | Semlar | yeah, but the other flask is to give them their stat bonus whenever so they are brought up to par with other professions without having to use a flask |
| 12:00.49 | nevcairiel | alchemy doesnt have a proper raid bonus |
| 12:00.52 | nevcairiel | ie. no bonus stats |
| 12:01.21 | Semlar | is that true |
| 12:01.39 | Kalroth | nev would never lie |
| 12:01.43 | Kalroth | you're thinking of Fisker |
| 12:01.49 | Fisker | I would ne ver lie |
| 12:01.51 | Fisker | never* |
| 12:02.02 | Kalroth | that's a lie |
| 12:02.12 | Semlar | alchemy doesn't have a stat bonus if they're using a flask? |
| 12:03.05 | nevcairiel | hm, i think i was wrong, it also made the normal flasks slightly stronger |
| 12:03.11 | Semlar | that's what i thought |
| 12:03.44 | Kalroth | but that's still not limited to raids |
| 12:04.10 | Semlar | none of the stat bonuses are limited to raids |
| 12:04.17 | nevcairiel | anyhow, that even reinforces the point, the extra stats are the r aid bonus, not the duration! |
| 12:05.20 | Semlar | alchemy would be objectively the best profession to level for a raider if they kept the 2h flask duration, yes? |
| 12:05.45 | Semlar | do other professions offer an incentive? |
| 12:06.05 | nevcairiel | dunno, i dont have other professions |
| 12:07.32 | nevcairiel | on the other hand, alchemy is probably the only professions with a steady stream of customers, with the itemization changes gems and enchants will be needed much less |
| 12:08.06 | Semlar | so i should just have alchemy and engineering |
| 12:09.35 | Semlar | i don't know what engineering gets in wod but engineering is obviously the superior profession |
| 12:10.46 | nevcairiel | all of the fancy items engineering can build become bind on equip, so the engineer isnt the only one that can benefit anymore |
| 12:11.33 | Semlar | madness |
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| 12:47.28 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, my delicious fiends. |
| 12:48.43 | Semlar | don't eat me |
| 12:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | I have not had breakfast yet. You look juicy. |
| 12:50.13 | Semlar | hides |
| 12:50.30 | mitch0 | sod off |
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| 12:55.54 | Fisker | so slow |
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| 13:03.33 | Kalroth | Notch gettin' richer |
| 13:05.03 | Fisker | old |
| 13:05.11 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:05.17 | Kalroth | ur old |
| 13:05.23 | Fisker | Yep :( |
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| 13:05.55 | Kalroth | rude ip |
| 13:06.15 | Fisker | you're rude |
| 13:06.20 | Fisker | I'm changing it |
| 13:06.24 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy forsaketh me though |
| 13:06.43 | Kalroth | She left to make pancakes |
| 13:08.20 | Fisker | Oh |
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| 13:17.59 | Generate | Greetings |
| 13:19.04 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
| 13:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | Avast, ye scurvy dogs! |
| 13:27.33 | Fisker | You're a scurvy dog |
| 13:27.40 | Fisker | guess what I got in my inbox Lopeppeppy |
| 13:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | A watermelon! |
| 13:28.06 | Fisker | e-mail inbox |
| 13:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | Blizcon tickets |
| 13:28.46 | Fisker | yes |
| 13:28.53 | Fisker | You must be some kind of supergod |
| 13:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | There was a question about that, Fisker? |
| 13:29.32 | Fisker | hides |
| 13:29.36 | Fisker | Of course not |
| 13:34.12 | zenzelezz | I so love statistics on choices in games. "You and 7.1% of players didn't hold the baby" |
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| 13:38.28 | sb | uh, fisker going to blizzcon? |
| 13:38.36 | Fisker | obviously |
| 13:38.40 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy is jelly |
| 13:41.58 | Lopeppeppy | No, |Jelly| is jelly, I am more like a fine marmalade. |
| 13:45.52 | Fisker | Jealous Lopeppeppy is jealous and wants to go to Blizzcon in 2 months |
| 13:47.44 | Lopeppeppy | Jealous Peppy is now cooking a meal for 250 of her best friends on November 8, so I will be preoccupied and not able to attend your shenanigans. |
| 13:47.54 | sb | Fisker: you know, when DHS is checking up on you, the "i once killed a guy" thingy will be fun when traveling to blizzon :p |
| 13:48.17 | Fisker | I hope so sb |
| 13:48.26 | Fisker | wow Lopeppeppy |
| 13:48.29 | Fisker | not even in the top 250 |
| 13:48.31 | Fisker | harsh |
| 13:52.41 | Lopeppeppy | I go camping with 10K of my best friends in August every year. You are totally invited. |
| 13:55.19 | Fisker | well at least I'm in the top 10k then? |
| 13:58.32 | Lopeppeppy | Without doubt. |
| 13:59.48 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 14:00.04 | Fisker | You're also in my top 10k then Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:37.56 | pompy1 | http://kotaku.com/chinese-subway-is-accidentally-calling-people-goons-1632879817 |
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| 14:40.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.41 | mikma | no, it's not |
| 14:49.47 | mikma | enter from middle, exit from sides :P |
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| 14:51.18 | Semlar | don't tell me what to do |
| 14:52.49 | mikma | EXIT |
| 14:56.19 | Alram | Fisker, you are our live reporter at blizzcon right |
| 14:56.24 | Alram | or do you plan on "socializing" |
| 14:56.37 | Fisker | What is socializing? |
| 14:56.43 | Alram | k good |
| 14:59.15 | Arrowmaster | fisker is going to blizzcon? |
| 15:01.52 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Apparently. |
| 15:07.14 | Fisker | apparently |
| 15:08.58 | Alram | Torhal: are you going to blizzcon? |
| 15:11.36 | pompy1 | He better be. |
| 15:11.51 | Alram | bye fisker |
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| 15:12.04 | Alram | who is thomas larsen Fisker |
| 15:12.18 | Fisker | who? |
| 15:12.37 | Ackis | some turd that's who |
| 15:12.38 | Alram | * Fisker (~thomas@larsen.rocks) has joined |
| 15:12.43 | Alram | and why does he rock |
| 15:12.44 | Fisker | shhh |
| 15:12.46 | Fisker | idk |
| 15:12.55 | Alram | or does he have rocks |
| 15:13.01 | Alram | and is it a rock company |
| 15:14.13 | Fisker | maybe |
| 15:19.25 | Torhal | Alram: Kaelten claims it to be so. |
| 15:19.37 | Alram | Fisker, can you kidnap Torhal for me |
| 15:19.54 | Torhal | Dafuq? |
| 15:19.55 | Fisker | I am going to have my way with Kaelten |
| 15:20.00 | Fisker | So no Torhal |
| 15:20.04 | Torhal | Fisker: Just feed him tequila. |
| 15:20.06 | Torhal | Easy. |
| 15:20.21 | Alram | Fisker, why not both |
| 15:21.19 | Kaelten | tequila? yes. Fisker? i'll pass (off offense bro) |
| 15:21.26 | Kaelten | tequila? yes. Fisker? i'll pass (no offense bro) |
| 15:21.31 | Kaelten | fucking autocorrect |
| 15:21.34 | Kaelten | gods I need sleep |
| 15:21.38 | Fisker | O_o |
| 15:21.40 | Fisker | you do |
| 15:21.42 | Fisker | that made no sense |
| 15:22.08 | Kaelten | today I blame the color gamepedia and the letter M |
| 15:22.46 | Alram | how is internal qa going on gamepedia |
| 15:22.50 | Alram | are all my wiki edits intact |
| 15:22.54 | Alram | if not im going to rek something |
| 15:30.29 | Fisker | What has the letter M done Kaelten |
| 15:31.59 | Semlar | murder |
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| 16:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | alestane. Save me from the grammar jerks. |
| 16:24.26 | Fisker | I'll save you |
| 16:24.47 | Fisker | There's not supposed to be a comma |
| 16:24.51 | Fisker | runs |
| 16:28.02 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: To be fair and within reason, it's rather black and white. |
| 16:28.16 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you're a jerk too. |
| 16:28.24 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:29.14 | Fisker | Give me a tanto then Lopeppeppy |
| 16:29.20 | Fisker | I have failed you |
| 16:29.27 | Lopeppeppy | TC, there are some aspects which are always in flux. For example, the word "website". We are still using an ancient style of "Web site", while the Chicago Manual of Style has moved on to "website". RAWR. |
| 16:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you are forbidden to erase the stain of dishonor in such a messy fashion. Instead, you shall take photos at Blizcon and share them with me! |
| 16:30.12 | Fisker | I would rather the knife thing |
| 16:30.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:32.51 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 16:33.37 | Fisker | It's a thing reserved for friends in the top 250 list |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker | :P |
| 16:34.15 | Fisker | Just need to find 245 other people to make up |
| 16:36.00 | Lopeppeppy | ... unacceptable answer. |
| 16:36.40 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: Well I would think it depends on the dictionary as well. |
| 16:36.54 | Fisker | Oh well what are you gonna do about it? |
| 16:37.44 | TC-Work | The CMoS could say that the new web 10.0 term for bandwidth is now splooge tunnel. Doesn't make them correct. |
| 16:38.46 | Fisker | Language evolves |
| 16:39.03 | Fisker | Dictionaries observe not dictate language |
| 16:39.18 | Fisker | Website > web site |
| 16:39.18 | Semlar | NO, WORDS CAN ONLY BE ONE THING |
| 16:39.23 | TC-Work | But we need a common ground for communication and they deliver it. |
| 16:39.46 | Fisker | Though it's not strictly grammar more to do with terminology |
| 16:40.11 | TC-Work | True, I used a bad analogy. |
| 16:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | grammatical style covers terminology and they/theirs/your/yours/you're |
| 16:40.46 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 16:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | We are SUPPOSED to be a Chicago Manual entity. Makes me rawr when we don't follow their rules. |
| 16:40.59 | Fisker | I wouldn't say that's the case with web site though |
| 16:41.26 | TC-Work | Wait...so you are the jerk? |
| 16:41.32 | Fisker | But yeah website all the things |
| 16:42.02 | Semlar | who put chicago in charge |
| 16:42.03 | Fisker | You're the jerk ;( |
| 16:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | No, our editing director is the jerk, she won't allow us to follow the most up to date Chicago because she doesn't use the online version, she uses a print version that's 3 freakin years old. |
| 16:45.14 | Fisker | So not so much grammar jerk as technicality jerk |
| 16:45.18 | Fisker | :P |
| 16:45.26 | Fisker | (I'm being one: () |
| 16:46.31 | Fisker | Anyway come get your pictures at blizzcon |
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| 16:57.18 | Lopeppeppy | Evil Fisker is evil. "Come and get me, if you can!" |
| 16:57.47 | Fisker | I'm not evil |
| 16:58.02 | Semlar | that's just what an evil fisker would say |
| 16:58.16 | Fisker | Just inviting you to glorious blizzcon |
| 17:02.39 | Fisker | Thoughtful Fisker is thoughtful |
| 17:03.00 | TC-Work | Why is it glorious? |
| 17:03.59 | Fisker | Because I'll be there duh |
| 17:05.45 | fewyn | The 10- year anniversary celebration will begin in-game on Friday, November 21 and will last until Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 10 a.m. PST. |
| 17:06.32 | nevcairiel | they did say it was going to last long enough for everyone |
| 17:08.58 | TC-Work | Fisker: You going to be there for the dinner as well? |
| 17:10.57 | Fisker | Apparently I have no choice in the matter TC-Work |
| 17:11.37 | TC-Work | Fisker: Well if, for example, your flight arrives after thursday then it would be somewhat difficult to be there. |
| 17:11.55 | Fisker | It does not |
| 17:12.26 | TC-Work | I suspect I will be disappointed. |
| 17:12.30 | Fisker | You will be |
| 17:13.56 | Fisker | But why? |
| 17:14.14 | TC-Work | My expection of you vs reality. |
| 17:14.52 | Fisker | ah |
| 17:15.00 | Fisker | Then you will definitely be disappointed |
| 17:17.06 | Fisker | Are you going TC-Work ? |
| 17:21.05 | TC-Work | Fisker: Planning on the dinner, but I found I am not really fond of conventions., |
| 17:21.18 | TC-Work | s/.,/./ |
| 17:21.42 | Fisker | Me neither |
| 17:21.46 | nevcairiel | if you live in the area, only going to the dinner is certainly an option |
| 17:21.47 | Fisker | or travelling |
| 17:21.48 | Fisker | or people |
| 17:22.03 | TC-Work | Yet you are going. |
| 17:22.10 | Fisker | Yes |
| 17:22.36 | TC-Work | hypocrisy much? |
| 17:22.56 | Fisker | Not at all |
| 17:23.03 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: Yup. Trying to poke Primer into going as well. |
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| 17:26.25 | Fisker | going to dinner only would be silly though TC-Work |
| 17:26.36 | TC-Work | Fisker: Why? |
| 17:26.36 | nevcairiel | for someone from europe, certainly |
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| 17:26.50 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 17:27.32 | TC-Work | Could do the dinner and sites in the area instead of Blizzcon. |
| 17:28.03 | TC-Work | Like taking a vacation in the area on this date. |
| 17:29.03 | Fisker | Vacation is silly |
| 17:29.14 | Fisker | Why would I do that |
| 17:29.20 | TC-Work | What do you call going to blizzcon? Work? |
| 17:29.36 | Fisker | Yep |
| 17:30.04 | TC-Work | Hardly. |
| 17:30.18 | TC-Work | I doubt it's even work for wowi/curse. |
| 17:30.44 | Fisker | Why would I work for them? |
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| 17:31.21 | TC-Work | Why would you not? |
| 17:31.42 | Fisker | idk |
| 17:32.01 | Fisker | Anyway I'm not going for recreational purposes |
| 17:32.21 | Fisker | But I'm not there on business |
| 17:32.42 | smcn | you're stalking someone |
| 17:32.58 | nevcairiel | isnt that recreational for him |
| 17:33.13 | Fisker | There's nobody to stalk smcn |
| 17:33.24 | TC-Work | Right. Blizzcon will be empty. |
| 17:34.12 | Fisker | Nobody I would be stalking then |
| 17:36.40 | Fisker | Why do you need to know why I'm going anyway? |
| 17:36.42 | TC-Work | See, and I bet $5 you will not act like this in person. |
| 17:37.04 | Fisker | Like what? |
| 17:37.31 | TC-Work | Exactly. |
| 17:38.24 | Fisker | Answering rude questions honestly? |
| 17:39.09 | TC-Work | I didn't ask you a question. |
| 17:39.33 | Fisker | You did |
| 17:40.00 | TC-Work | Not a rude one. |
| 17:40.05 | TC-Work | Since that is subjective. |
| 17:41.00 | Fisker | If subjective is a definition of whether or not certain terminology can be used then you have a very limited vocabulary |
| 17:41.59 | Fisker | Asking unsolicited personal questions are seen as rude by many people |
| 17:42.24 | Fisker | Since you're not going to elaborate on your reasoning, I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt |
| 17:48.23 | TC-Work | Which personal question was unsolicited? |
| 17:50.11 | Fisker | I don't know why you're bothering me with it instead of just leaving me alone |
| 17:50.29 | Fisker | Most of the latter half of the conversation was unwanted |
| 17:51.53 | Constie | Could a macro find the highest-ilevel DPS in my raid and set it as my focus target, for lazy Tricks of the Tradeing in LFR? |
| 17:52.32 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:52.40 | nevcairiel | macros cant do smart things |
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| 17:53.15 | nevcairiel | you could write an addon that could do this based on values from skada or something, but only out of combat, ie. you need one fight first to figure out who does good dps :P |
| 17:54.57 | Constie | That's what I do manually right now. I have to type/click a couple of things myself and that's a lot of work! |
| 18:01.47 | smcn | oh yay a new build before stress testing |
| 18:02.19 | Simca | considering how often the servers have been crashing without stress testing, they needed a new build lol |
| 18:02.29 | Simca | or the servers wouldn't have had a prayer |
| 18:02.54 | smcn | yeah levelling realm 01 has had a slew of problems the past few builds since pax |
| 18:02.59 | nevcairiel | i'm still wondering if its just my character on beta levelin 01 thats broken, or the whole server is practically entirely unusable right now |
| 18:03.05 | smcn | it's the latter |
| 18:03.09 | nevcairiel | started ever since the build this week |
| 18:03.13 | nevcairiel | was perfectly fine on the weekend |
| 18:03.17 | nevcairiel | i cant even login anymore at all |
| 18:03.20 | smcn | yup |
| 18:03.49 | smcn | i've gotten in a few times just letting it sit on "retrieving character list" |
| 18:03.52 | smcn | it takes like 5 minutes |
| 18:04.00 | smcn | and then another 5 stuck on 90% loading |
| 18:04.01 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.09 | nevcairiel | then it stuck on loading, and never finished for me |
| 18:04.33 | nevcairiel | luckily addon stuff i could just do on the other realms |
| 18:04.40 | nevcairiel | still would've liked to level a bit tho :P |
| 18:06.11 | smcn | i'm on my 3rd char on beta i think i need to stop or i'll be sick of leveling before it even comes out |
| 18:06.28 | nevcairiel | i've never gotten beyond shadowmoon, so its ok |
| 18:06.34 | smcn | lol |
| 18:06.42 | nevcairiel | dont really want to either |
| 18:07.17 | nevcairiel | was nice to see how it progressed though, from very rough to actually quite finished now |
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| 18:08.02 | smcn | yeah that's my fav part of playing betas |
| 18:08.24 | smcn | especially since i report a lot of stuff |
| 18:08.29 | nevcairiel | tanaan was really quite broken the first time i went through there |
| 18:09.13 | Alram | it was awful in alpha |
| 18:15.17 | fewyn | so google leaked 5 million accounts |
| 18:15.29 | fewyn | highly recommend password changes and 2 factor auth being enabled |
| 18:15.48 | znf | link? |
| 18:16.03 | znf | found it |
| 18:17.09 | znf | most importantly, where do I check it to see if I'm there? |
| 18:20.05 | fewyn | the site is down |
| 18:20.07 | fewyn | that has the list |
| 18:20.25 | Mr_Rabies | it's most likely not an actual google account leak |
| 18:20.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's most likely a combined database from other leaks |
| 18:20.49 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah, if you don't have 2fa, change password and then enable it |
| 18:20.51 | fewyn | still you should enable 2 factor auth! |
| 18:21.14 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:21.14 | Mr_Rabies | i guess we'll see in the next week or so |
| 18:23.40 | nevcairiel | man my phone freaked out when i turned on 2-factor :p |
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| 18:32.39 | Jamash1 | I'm more concerned with losing access to my 2fa than getting my account haxored |
| 18:33.25 | Jamash1 | anyway if my google 2fa is on an android tablet then really aren't I just using my google account to access my google account? |
| 18:36.50 | nevcairiel | i get a text, even if my google acount breaks down, my carrier hopefully still sends me texts |
| 18:36.52 | TC-Work | Do you log in to your phone using your google UN/PW? |
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| 18:48.40 | karl_w_w | has any game been released on more platforms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_II:_The_World_Warrior |
| 18:53.51 | Jamash1 | TC-Work: Google Voice |
| 18:55.14 | TC-Work | Jamash1: I meant to say tablet, but you still don't access your phone with that. |
| 18:55.27 | Jamash1 | TC-Work: I don't get texts on my phone |
| 18:55.57 | Jamash | Phone texts = money, google voice = free |
| 18:56.21 | Fisker | I got google voice kinda |
| 18:56.28 | TC-Work | Jamash: I was refering to your other comment. about accessing a google account with a google account. |
| 18:56.55 | TC-Work | And yes, I am aware of gvoice, I used it when it was still grand central. |
| 18:57.09 | nevcairiel | Jamash: receiving a text from google costs you money? o.o |
| 18:57.25 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: He means paying the carrier for it., |
| 18:57.42 | Jamash | I mean, if I were to use 2 factor authentication with google voice, then I would log in with my google account to receive the text to verify my google account |
| 18:57.42 | nevcairiel | anything is possible in the US |
| 18:58.14 | TC-Work | I thought 2 factor auth was the token app and the text was just a secondary means. |
| 18:58.30 | nevcairiel | nah, you can use the text as primary secondary factor |
| 18:58.31 | Jamash | which wraps back around to losing access to it if my tablet breaks |
| 18:58.59 | Jamash | unless the 2fa data is backed up...to my google account |
| 19:00.00 | Fisker | I did that |
| 19:02.06 | TC-Work | Jamash: Well, why did you set up a security system that is circular? |
| 19:03.30 | Jamash | TC-Work: I didn't, because that would be pointless. |
| 19:03.52 | Mr_Rabies | man, am i gonna have to farm for lesser charms again |
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| 19:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | i'm down to 465, and upgrades are gonna take charms instead of valor after 6.0 but before WoD (where they're going away?) |
| 19:05.47 | Jamash | dang I need to run an ethernet cable along the ceiling, I was getting ~2MB/s over wifi-g and now I'm getting 16.38MB/s over wired |
| 19:06.04 | Jamash | but running cables along the floor is not cool |
| 19:06.59 | TC-Work | Unless you have a drop ceiling, attaching to the moulding should be the same top or bottom. |
| 19:07.07 | Jamash | I'm very lazy |
| 19:07.46 | TC-Work | Wouldn't it be easier to do it along the floor? Assuming you don't have to go over a doorway. |
| 19:08.24 | Jamash | living room -> hallway (in front of bathroom) -> my room |
| 19:09.55 | TC-Work | Could always try Ethernet over Poweline. Not sure what the degradation is though. |
| 19:10.15 | Jamash | yeah if I had a budget I'd look at that, right now I'm between jobs |
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| 19:31.03 | karl_w_w | hmm if you pin and then unpin the bnet app to the taskbar you can no longer right click it |
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| 19:45.32 | Fisker | How's the technical grammar jerking going Lopeppeppy ? |
| 19:45.46 | Lopeppeppy | Nowhere near as fun as most jerking tends to be. |
| 19:46.26 | Fisker | Darn |
| 19:48.37 | Mr_Rabies | are there any disadvantages to using external libs? i imagine the version of a lib addons are packed with is tested to be compatible in most cases? |
| 19:52.06 | nevcairiel | the disadvantage is that the author may yell at you for running an unsupported mode if you try to complain later :p |
| 20:07.58 | TC-Work | Pfft, authors. Getting yelled at by a wet noodle. |
| 20:08.25 | smcn | i'm detecting a flaw in that analogy |
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| 20:19.40 | Kesava | i like how people moan about being cheated for gold by a level 1 character running a "casino" |
| 20:19.42 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.11 | TC-Work | smcn: Oh? |
| 20:36.35 | nevcairiel | oh, another beta build |
| 20:36.39 | nevcairiel | hopefully it'll be usable again |
| 20:42.04 | smcn | i wonder if they're adding cinematics, would be fitting to have stress testing with them |
| 20:43.39 | smcn | heh the servers are up but the patch isn't yet http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14278908435?page=6#102 |
| 20:43.45 | nevcairiel | i would think they delay those until live |
| 20:44.27 | nevcairiel | iirc, stuff like the wrathgate cinematic were never in the beta either |
| 20:50.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's just extra stuff to download that they know will work |
| 20:51.03 | Mr_Rabies | and spoils story |
| 20:51.08 | nevcairiel | as if they care about the download |
| 20:51.13 | nevcairiel | but yeah the spoilers |
| 20:51.27 | nevcairiel | and there are a bunch of cinematics this time |
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| 20:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | Good night, Westley. Good work, sleep well. I'll nost likely kill you in the morning. |
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| 20:58.32 | Arrowmaster | ohh new hangouts app |
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| 21:04.43 | Arrowmaster | thats weird, i enable the option in the new hangouts to ring my gvoice in hangouts and i got two prompts that i had an incoming call |
| 21:07.42 | Simca | cinematics were added two builds ago |
| 21:07.47 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: If the call was from "Opportunity" I guess it's too late now. |
| 21:08.05 | Simca | 12/13 are encrypted, and the server is withholding the keys, as it should |
| 21:08.14 | Simca | if they're smart, they won't enable them until launch |
| 21:08.43 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: opportunity was saturday night |
| 21:13.02 | g0urra | I wonder what this reminds me of.. http://puu.sh/btPEX/49f672df40.jpg |
| 21:13.20 | kd3 | what is that, a screenshot for ants? |
| 21:15.16 | smcn | build is pushed to app |
| 21:23.46 | g0urra | kd3: game ad on facebook |
| 21:24.55 | Unkle | kd3: It's a screenshoot for kids who don't read too good and stuff. |
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| 21:39.43 | g0urra | http://puu.sh/btRHi/7c9a6e1b21.jpg |
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| 21:53.06 | foxlit | hm, I'm reasonably sure I had a lua json encoder lying around somewhere :/ |
| 21:54.03 | foxlit | (with all the hilarity that is converting base 1 arrays to base 0 arrays) |
| 21:55.50 | Simca | I wrote a WDB parser in lua |
| 21:56.09 | foxlit | have that too. |
| 21:58.07 | foxlit | the only kind of meh part is parsing floats from byte[], but I'm sure there's already a lib for that if you can't be bothered to look up the spec and do the math. |
| 22:09.11 | foxlit | okay, I'm going to conclude that I'm insane and I wrote no such thing. Maybe it was the array index conversion when decoding JSON instead. |
| 22:13.10 | foxlit | so any suggestions for something that converts lua values to json, handling utf8 encoded strings correctly? |
| 22:17.10 | Simca | https://twitter.com/kurtismcc/status/509827657580572672 too much testing for the stress test |
| 22:17.17 | smcn | lol |
| 22:18.31 | Neffi | foxlit: have you looked over http://lua-users.org/wiki/JsonModules ? |
| 22:18.57 | Neffi | some are pure Lua. not sure if there's any pure Lua that handle utf8, but if not maybe you can fork and modify |
| 22:21.08 | foxlit | yes; that page is linked from json.org. Kind of too many options to consider tradeoffs. |
| 22:21.44 | Simca | use them all, time them, keep the fastest |
| 22:23.08 | foxlit | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libjson-1-0/ |
| 22:26.40 | foxlit | or ignoring unicode, something like http://pastebin.com/yQwRgHsv |
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| 22:30.04 | Neffi | Look at the source of them and fine one that looks simple and clean |
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| 22:37.09 | TC-Work | Neffi: Doubles as dating advice. |
| 22:37.37 | Neffi | <_< |
| 22:38.15 | TC-Work | Anyone know a good way to do geometric shape detection in JS? |
| 22:44.01 | smcn | playing through tanaan on leveling realm 2 it's nice people are actually saying good things in general chat |
| 22:55.20 | foxlit | Did they do anything to content in tanaan since beta launch? |
| 22:55.49 | foxlit | I kind of ran through it at the beginning of the beta, and it was a horrible, off-putting experience. |
| 22:56.58 | Simca | yeah |
| 22:57.05 | foxlit | The entire thing felt like an on-rails scripted tutorial that lasted way too long. |
| 22:57.40 | Simca | it's still like that but the rails are less stiff and frustrating, mainly because less bugs and better spawn mechanics when crowded |
| 22:58.35 | foxlit | Didn't hit a lot of spawn contention issues; it was just that the gameplay... wasn't there. |
| 22:58.51 | nevcairiel | Its kinda supposed to be like that, since it's what freshly boosted chars are supposed to play and learn the class |
| 23:00.06 | foxlit | Maybe it works as a tutorial, though I doubt that. |
| 23:00.22 | nevcairiel | I didn't think it was that long though. |
| 23:01.05 | nevcairiel | It was terribly bugged for a long time, so give it another chance ;) |
| 23:01.40 | foxlit | The problem is that it's like an hour of killing things that don't meaningfully hit back, looting stuff on ground, and fedexing between NPCs that have all the depth of a cardboard cutout with a "LORE CHARACTER" name attached. |
| 23:02.36 | nevcairiel | Stuff in the zone after doesn't really hit harder... |
| 23:03.04 | foxlit | At some point through the zone I discovered that my feral druid was wearing balance gear. |
| 23:04.02 | nevcairiel | In smv a single moonfire kills enemy's, I just collect them and wait for them to die from it |
| 23:05.01 | foxlit | Can't really judge it as a tutorial; only noticed that some quests unlock ability sets. |
| 23:06.21 | foxlit | (which seems underwhelming, as it's basically dumping ability sets on you and saying "hey, these are damage abilities" "hey, these are heals!" "hey, these are things that are neither heals or damage", without really telling you how to use them.) |
| 23:07.02 | nevcairiel | Maybe it does, I didn't run it that way |
| 23:07.16 | foxlit | I'm not sure you can run it that way. |
| 23:07.28 | foxlit | 90 premades start with everything unlocked, don't they? |
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| 23:07.55 | Dagmar | Everything except the Overfilled Bank raid |
| 23:07.57 | nevcairiel | Yes |
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| 23:42.45 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/a3PzyGMU << getting somewhere, maybe. |
| 23:43.45 | Neffi | Is there some tool to parse this and show a representation of it? |
| 23:45.16 | foxlit | eventually, eventually. |
