| 00:00.11 | foxlit | (it could've been (1,1,2,1,1,3,1), (1,1,4,1,1,1,1)!) |
| 00:01.45 | Semlar | can you call RegisterStateDriver on a frame that doesn't exist yet and have it still function |
| 00:01.59 | foxlit | no. |
| 00:04.15 | Semlar | are CompactRaidFrames just created when they need to be? |
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| 00:22.50 | Semlar | well my beta client patched itself and has marked all the realms as Incompatible |
| 00:24.11 | Semlar | thanks neffi |
| 00:25.13 | Semlar | i had alt+f4'd out of the client and launched it again too quickly and it decided it needed to patch |
| 00:25.33 | Semlar | how do i.. undo this |
| 00:27.16 | kd3|hate`net | wait for blizz to fix it? |
| 00:27.24 | foxlit | 1. Uninstall beta client. 2. Install beta client again. |
| 00:27.41 | foxlit | 3. Sleep while you download 30GB of data. Again. |
| 00:28.13 | foxlit | (but your story sounds strange; what did it patch the beta client *to*?) |
| 00:28.18 | Semlar | what a good question |
| 00:29.03 | foxlit | lower left corner of the log in screen should tell you. |
| 00:29.28 | Semlar | yeah but it doesn't tell me anything because i don't know what it was before it patched |
| 00:29.48 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HodbNvF.jpg |
| 00:30.00 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Public_client_builds |
| 00:30.24 | Semlar | yeah that's.. a higher number than is on this list |
| 00:30.45 | foxlit | 816 is incompatible too, so meh. |
| 00:31.17 | Simca | yeah there was a new exe build, servers will be out of date for an hour or two |
| 00:31.18 | Semlar | i was ON a character running around before i restarted the client :l |
| 00:31.20 | Simca | pretty standard |
| 00:31.26 | Semlar | god dammit |
| 00:31.26 | Simca | you're screwed if you picked now to log out |
| 00:31.36 | foxlit | give it a while; either the servers will figure out that their bits are wrong, or your client will figure out there's a patch. |
| 00:32.02 | foxlit | 833 logs in fine for me. |
| 00:32.37 | Simca | mm then you're out of date semlar |
| 00:33.01 | Semlar | YOU'RE OUT OF DATE |
| 00:33.52 | Semlar | i can log in now |
| 00:33.58 | Semlar | it's all good |
| 00:34.31 | Semlar | anyone know when CompactRaidFrame1 gets created |
| 00:49.12 | Semlar | meh it's not important |
| 00:49.17 | Semlar | hook everything |
| 00:49.50 | Stanzilla | File: D:\BuildServer\WoW\6\work\WoW-code\branches\wow-patch-6_0_2-branch\WoW\Source\Jam/guid.h |
| 00:49.51 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 00:50.14 | elvador | lol, where did you get it? |
| 00:50.18 | Stanzilla | get out |
| 00:50.36 | Primer | He hacked icloud |
| 00:50.39 | Stanzilla | pls no trollerino |
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| 00:51.15 | Simca | he's just linking strings from the exe |
| 00:51.30 | Simca | all of the file names of the cpp and header files are in the exe |
| 00:51.52 | Primer | Guess they didn't ship a stripped binary |
| 00:51.54 | elvador | it was an error i got yesterday, stanzilla just stole it |
| 00:52.25 | Simca | these are stripped exes by blizz standards, they always leave their file names in it |
| 00:52.27 | Simca | idk why |
| 00:53.27 | Stanzilla | steal all teh errors |
| 00:54.24 | Stanzilla | I'd be interested what else is in \6\ next to "work" |
| 00:54.49 | Simca | kittens\ and pronz\ i'm sure |
| 00:57.07 | Gnarfoz | install & configure http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms181712.aspx and find out |
| 01:21.07 | Semlar | neffi i think i need to make this hud thing point out the healers in my raid |
| 01:22.14 | Gethe | that could be usefull |
| 01:32.23 | Semlar | maybe i wouldn't die as much |
| 01:56.17 | Neffi | Semlar: maybe emphasize the nameplates of healers |
| 01:56.34 | Semlar | no for when they're out of range |
| 01:58.16 | Neffi | seems like a good idea. but almost seems like the domain for nameplates |
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| 03:30.21 | plaw | here's one for the audio nerds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUREX8aFbMs |
| 03:30.34 | plaw | also for the volcano nerds as well :D |
| 03:32.09 | Seerah | oooh |
| 03:32.19 | Seerah | must share with my SIL :) |
| 03:40.15 | Dagmar | I don't understand how they're not paddling away as fast as they fuckin' can |
| 03:43.45 | Simca | OnClick handlers won't fire if you've called :Hide() right? |
| 03:45.35 | Neffi | well somebody might call :Click() |
| 03:45.46 | Neffi | but if the frame is hidden, they won't be able to physically click it |
| 03:46.56 | Neffi | b:SetScript('OnClick',print) -> b:Hide() -> b:Click() shows that OnClick handlers do indeed get fired when hidden |
| 03:48.21 | Simca | excellent, ty Neffi |
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| 04:17.09 | Jamash | x5 living steel proc! :D |
| 04:27.23 | Jamash | sky goleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem |
| 04:34.15 | Simca | if you do "local a, b, c, d, e = 0" and "local a, b, c, d, e = 0, 0, 0, 0, 0" in Lua, are those effectively the same thing? |
| 04:34.27 | Simca | or is the first one 0, nil, nil, nil, nil |
| 04:36.46 | Thunder_Child | Ism't that a simple test? |
| 04:36.51 | Thunder_Child | Isn't* |
| 04:37.11 | Simca | yeah, i suppose it is |
| 04:37.44 | Simca | 0, nil, nil, nil, nil vs 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 |
| 04:37.53 | Simca | so yeah not the same |
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| 04:47.58 | Simca | Semlar: did you ever figure out a way to learn if a creature was cached? |
| 04:48.13 | Simca | other than scanning the tooltip after showing it again? |
| 04:50.32 | Semlar | no |
| 04:51.08 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can't, because once you try and fill the tooltip or set the model it caches the creature |
| 04:51.35 | Simca | well i just want a way to see that "yes, there is a creature with this ID" |
| 04:51.45 | Semlar | oh, yeah you can determine if a creature exists |
| 04:52.33 | Simca | setting the model and then checking its path or something? |
| 04:52.52 | Semlar | tooltip is probably better since i think it triggers an event when it gets populated |
| 04:53.07 | Semlar | i'm not sure though |
| 04:53.14 | Semlar | either one should work |
| 04:53.18 | Simca | I thought the problem you were having is that it was slow |
| 04:53.35 | Semlar | you'll have to wait for the server to give you the information for both |
| 04:54.40 | Simca | right now i'm requesting a creature every 20 ms and the info exists in cache; i'm just looking for a way to determine I have the info cached in an equally short amount of time |
| 04:54.43 | Semlar | although you might be able to attempt to set the tooltip to a range of npc ids, then go back after a small delay and fill them |
| 04:55.11 | Simca | mmm, yeah, scanning the same range twice |
| 04:55.17 | Fisker | Lets beat up Simca |
| 04:55.26 | Simca | would double the run time |
| 04:55.29 | Simca | but it might be worth it |
| 04:55.33 | Fisker | Come foxlit I have a plan |
| 04:56.01 | Semlar | well you would only have to go back for ids that didn't have information available immediately after you set the tooltip the first time |
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| 04:56.57 | Semlar | i think once it's been cached you should be able to set the tooltip then scrape it right afterward |
| 04:57.35 | Simca | yeah, good point |
| 04:58.33 | Semlar | brb |
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| 06:25.37 | Simca | another random lua question |
| 06:26.13 | Simca | table.wipe(mytable) and mytable = {} are the same thing if the table is one level deep and doesn't contain any nested tables, yes? |
| 06:26.44 | nevcairiel | not the same, the first clears an existing table, the second creates a new one |
| 06:27.20 | Simca | ok the assembly wouldn't be equivalent, but functionally equivalent? |
| 06:27.24 | Neffi | specifically, something else might hold a reference to your table, Simca, so creating a new one still keeps the old one intact |
| 06:27.40 | Neffi | table.wipe should be quite fast though |
| 06:27.54 | Simca | mmk, thanks |
| 06:28.11 | nevcairiel | the second is probably slightly faster in the short term, but instead produces garbage for the GC to handle, so you would want to avoid creating new tables in like OnUpdate or something |
| 06:28.28 | Neffi | if you're sure you hold the only reference to the table, then replacing it with a new one is fine too |
| 06:29.22 | Simca | this is a timer that runs every 1/40th of a second, so it's essentially onupdate |
| 06:29.39 | nevcairiel | then i would recycle the existing table |
| 06:29.39 | Neffi | better off wiping |
| 06:36.41 | Industrial | hmmmmm, anyone remember -1 or -2 lvl healing waves? :D |
| 06:36.58 | Industrial | in classic/bc, you'd have enough SP to downgrade your spell lvl |
| 06:38.22 | Simca | i remember how pathetic it was that mana regen was so awful that we were forced to do that |
| 06:38.26 | Mr_Rabies | downscaling spells was the dumbest |
| 06:39.14 | nevcairiel | well not really, eventually they just added a new spell with about the specs of the downscaled spell |
| 06:39.17 | nevcairiel | so nothing really changed |
| 06:39.52 | Simca | 1-2 new spells is different than having 2-3 ranks of multiple healing spells on your bars |
| 06:40.04 | Mr_Rabies | it's a much better way to handle it |
| 06:40.35 | nevcairiel | doesnt really change how you heal though, so i dont see the big deal |
| 06:44.08 | Mr_Rabies | the new heals are far more than just downranked heals in most cases |
| 06:46.44 | Gethe | where is an easy place to test out boss frames? |
| 06:52.35 | nebula169 | Gethe: the dailies in townlong with the tank helper or tank proving grounds is where i've tested it |
| 06:53.12 | nevcairiel | oh yeah its usually easier to find a companion that shows up in those frames intead of an actual boss |
| 06:53.14 | nevcairiel | alone anyway |
| 06:53.29 | Gethe | cool thanks |
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| 07:17.25 | plaw | hey folks does this # have any feels yet about the Sammy vr headset with Elite: Dangerous (ping Iriel ;) |
| 07:18.15 | nevcairiel | didnt iriel have a oculus dk2, would he really also have the sammy set |
| 07:18.18 | Iriel | I have DK2, and itâs awesome with that |
| 07:18.41 | plaw | i had no idea he has a dk2 |
| 07:21.02 | Iriel | I ordered it pretty much the moment it was announced |
| 07:21.06 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 07:21.39 | nevcairiel | i'm hoping the consumer version is out like first half of 2015 or so |
| 07:22.07 | Iriel | The 2nd one was available for order almost exactly a year after the first one shipped |
| 07:22.12 | Iriel | (The dev kits, that is) |
| 07:23.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2602906/final-oculus-rift-pricing-hardware-teased-as-gear-vr-reveals-oculus-ready-interface.html |
| 07:24.13 | nevcairiel | it sounds promising if they expect another jump similar to the DK1 -> DK2 quality jump |
| 07:24.31 | nevcairiel | Iriel: did you have a DK1 as well? |
| 07:24.44 | Iriel | I did, I was one of the kickstarter backers |
| 07:24.54 | Iriel | The DK2 is /SIGNIFICANTLY/ better |
| 07:25.03 | Mr_Rabies | almost clocked myself in the face with a coffee mug |
| 07:25.11 | Mr_Rabies | thought it was my significantly heavier beer mug |
| 07:25.23 | Mr_Rabies | picked it up with enough drunken force to lift the big mug |
| 07:25.24 | nevcairiel | consumer is supposed to go 90Hz and increased resolution, that should make for a super upgrade already |
| 07:25.29 | Mr_Rabies | almost cracked it on my own face |
| 07:27.15 | nevcairiel | shouldnt be lifting mugs when youre drunk |
| 07:28.09 | Iriel | nevcairiel: assuming we have pcâs that can drive it 8-) |
| 07:28.31 | nevcairiel | yeah.. |
| 07:28.34 | plaw | stabs the stray ' |
| 07:29.20 | Mr_Rabies | nevcairiel: but how will i drink |
| 07:29.32 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: get a straw |
| 07:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | you mean a sissy stick? |
| 07:29.47 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 07:30.14 | Mr_Rabies | (i love straws for everything but booze) |
| 07:30.29 | Mr_Rabies | aromatics are important yo |
| 07:31.07 | Mr_Rabies | this mug is awesome, though |
| 07:31.12 | Mr_Rabies | probably 3-4 pounds? |
| 07:31.19 | Mr_Rabies | THICK glass |
| 07:31.30 | nevcairiel | big enough to smash your face in, apparently |
| 07:31.50 | Mr_Rabies | well, it was bascially mistaking the coffee mug for the beer mug that did it |
| 07:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | i lifted it with enough force to lift 3-4 pounds and it's like, half a pound |
| 07:32.27 | Mr_Rabies | so i almost just hulked it into my head |
| 07:32.32 | karl_w_w | if it's made of glass and it holds beer it's a glass |
| 07:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | https://retail.libbey.com/Product-Repository/Heidelberg-Mug |
| 07:33.10 | Mr_Rabies | think this is it |
| 07:33.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's thick as heck |
| 07:34.56 | Mr_Rabies | anyways |
| 07:35.11 | Mr_Rabies | to bed i go full o' pale ale |
| 07:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | didn't pay attention and thought i was buying a new belgium variety pack and somehow grabbed the pale ale |
| 07:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | oh well it's tasty |
| 07:36.24 | nevcairiel | i dont like pale ale |
| 07:36.40 | Mr_Rabies | there aren't many varieties i dislike |
| 07:37.02 | Mr_Rabies | the one i probably won't ever try again was a rauchbier |
| 07:37.09 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't -bad- it was just like i was drinking a campfire |
| 07:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | everytime i breathed in it smelled like a campfire for days |
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| 07:54.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.daniellivingston.com/2012/06/measuring-your-own-pupillary-distance.html holy shit what a genius |
| 07:54.32 | karl_w_w | (the genius method is near the end of the article btw) |
| 08:19.35 | Neffi | lol http://i.imgur.com/gFQsfvG.png |
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| 09:25.53 | Industrial | So i logged on to my hunter |
| 09:26.09 | Industrial | and I instinctively wanted to wing clip disengage a npc |
| 09:26.13 | Industrial | T_T |
| 09:26.49 | Fisker | and it was a hostile wisp and you lost grand warlord |
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| 13:53.36 | QQValpen | Afternoon :) |
| 13:57.13 | Semlar | sup |
| 14:05.52 | QQValpen | Not much, you? :) |
| 14:14.28 | Semlar | just addoning |
| 14:14.35 | QQValpen | going well? |
| 14:14.58 | Semlar | i suppose |
| 14:19.43 | QQValpen | great |
| 14:26.23 | g0urra | QQPuppy* |
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| 14:50.44 | Industrial | Hey |
| 14:50.50 | Industrial | /castsequence reset=target Serpent String |
| 14:51.13 | Industrial | only this in a macro isnt enough to only apply it once per mob, but I do see it working in a macro like this: http://wowlazymacros.com/forums/topic/beast-master-hunter-one-button-macros-newest |
| 14:58.46 | nevcairiel | obviously you didnt copy the entire line |
| 15:01.23 | Industrial | yeah, I see I forgot ,null, but with that only in a macro I still can't get it to work |
| 15:01.57 | nevcairiel | because its pointless with that only in a macro |
| 15:04.01 | nevcairiel | this kind of macro is designed to be put in such one-button macros, with other cast lines below |
| 15:04.05 | nevcairiel | otherwise it makes no sense |
| 15:04.48 | nevcairiel | you also typoed sting |
| 15:04.50 | nevcairiel | fwiw :p |
| 15:04.53 | Industrial | right, so i could add something less meaning ful that could also be cast at any time e.g. Kill Command? |
| 15:05.03 | Industrial | and then I could apply one SS per target? |
| 15:05.16 | Industrial | and kill command when usable |
| 15:05.26 | nevcairiel | i guess |
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| 15:14.12 | karl_w_w | you know how to apply serpent sting once per target? |
| 15:14.22 | karl_w_w | only press it one time |
| 15:30.05 | Industrial | yeah, got it though |
| 15:30.24 | Industrial | Can I check for a buff (on me) in a macro and do a castsequence? |
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| 15:30.36 | Industrial | and not/skip if i dont have the buff |
| 15:33.51 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:35.28 | Industrial | Can I jump in a macro? |
| 15:35.43 | Industrial | if so, I'll use it to stop casting. |
| 15:36.02 | Industrial | e.g. for quick kill shots when I'm on a cobra shot |
| 15:36.28 | Industrial | guess not |
| 15:37.37 | nevcairiel | macros cant replace playing for you, and its meant to be like that :P |
| 15:38.41 | Industrial | sure i just wanted jump to cancel casting like it used to |
| 15:38.57 | Gnarfoz | since when does jumping not cancel casting anymore |
| 15:39.08 | nevcairiel | if he has a spell that casts on the move, then it doesnt |
| 15:39.10 | Gnarfoz | also, /stopcasting |
| 15:39.11 | nevcairiel | some hunter shots do that |
| 15:39.12 | Gnarfoz | well yeah |
| 15:39.24 | Gnarfoz | but that should be obvious that it's a property of the class/spell, not a general thing |
| 15:39.47 | Industrial | well kill shot is a %hp proc which has precedence over a running cobra shot |
| 15:39.56 | Industrial | which is cast on move |
| 15:40.15 | Gnarfoz | /stopcasting, again |
| 15:40.42 | Industrial | right |
| 15:40.56 | Gnarfoz | that should work (: |
| 15:45.22 | Constie | I've heard macros used to be able to control movement, and people made ones that would do their corpse runs for them after raid wipes, back in vanilla. |
| 15:45.45 | nevcairiel | more like addons, macros arent long enough for that |
| 15:45.57 | Constie | Oh, I guess so. |
| 15:46.00 | nevcairiel | but yeah that worked for a time in vanilla |
| 15:49.42 | Gnarfoz | AutoTravel ;) |
| 15:50.07 | kd3 | which worked great for running people to their deaths |
| 15:50.26 | Gnarfoz | it worked fine for its intended purpose, too |
| 15:50.34 | Industrial | ^ |
| 15:51.01 | Gnarfoz | but I think it (and everything else) was limited to turning auto-run on/off and turning the character, right? |
| 15:51.21 | nevcairiel | if you can turn the char, you can also make it move forward |
| 15:51.26 | Gnarfoz | obviously. |
| 15:51.27 | nevcairiel | but toggling auto run was probably easier |
| 15:51.36 | Gnarfoz | hm? nah |
| 15:51.37 | Gnarfoz | I meant |
| 15:51.47 | Gnarfoz | actually doing the equivalent of "press S for 1 second" wasn't possible |
| 15:51.51 | Gnarfoz | or was it |
| 15:52.18 | Gnarfoz | you'd have to turn the character 180 ° and then use auto-run? |
| 15:52.41 | nevcairiel | dunno, movement keys are just keybound to normal lua functions as well |
| 15:53.35 | nevcairiel | or used to be anyway |
| 15:53.48 | nevcairiel | ask around here, i'm sure someone from the old guys worked on it back then :p |
| 15:54.14 | Gnarfoz | I basically just did :p |
| 15:54.29 | Gnarfoz | http://wowpedia.org/World_of_Warcraft_API#Movement_Functions I thought it used those that got protected in 1.10, the others were protected from the beginning |
| 15:55.04 | nevcairiel | before 1.6, most of those functions were wide open |
| 15:55.04 | Gnarfoz | too long ago >_> |
| 15:55.10 | nevcairiel | 1.6 added hardware event requirements to most |
| 15:55.28 | nevcairiel | 1.10 to the last few that they forgot |
| 15:55.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I see it now |
| 15:56.33 | Gnarfoz | it's weird, the list uses "protected" for the hardware event, and the function page then says "protected in 2.0" |
| 15:56.37 | Gnarfoz | which is it :O |
| 15:56.56 | nevcairiel | huh |
| 15:56.58 | Gnarfoz | (I'm also never sure on the nomenclature on those... protected, secure, requires hardware event) |
| 15:57.23 | Gnarfoz | list says "protected in 1.10", click the function, it says "requires hardware event since 1.10, protected since 2.0" |
| 15:57.36 | nevcairiel | 1.10 didnt have the concept of protected yet |
| 15:57.47 | nevcairiel | not what we call that today anyway |
| 15:58.22 | nevcairiel | all through 1.x you could still call these as long as you had a drinking bird press one key all the time |
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| 20:29.48 | foxlit | t[0] = 0, wipe(t) |
| 20:31.03 | Neffi | foxlit: ? |
| 20:31.48 | Neffi | It's a weird way to wipe t and reinsert [0] on the same line. What's the point? |
| 20:32.44 | foxlit | The point is that Lua's assignment semantics are fun. Doing this in C would've resulted in an empty t. |
| 20:33.05 | Neffi | ah |
| 20:33.34 | Neffi | We take it for granted, but being able to do a,b = b,a is nice |
| 20:50.26 | Mr_Rabies | kd3: http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2014/09/DragonConDay00-11.jpg |
| 20:50.54 | kd3|hate`net | hahaha |
| 20:51.11 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: are they cosplaying as the carpet? |
| 20:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | that's dragoncon camo |
| 20:52.46 | Mr_Rabies | marriott camo, to be specific |
| 20:53.08 | Mr_Rabies | it actually works fairly well, too |
| 20:53.10 | Mr_Rabies | they did a good job |
| 20:53.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's almost got a dazzle camo look |
| 20:59.28 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/Jk31pKLR |
| 21:01.17 | tlund | has anyone with an account in status frozen gotten beta access via one of the UI-mod websites? (yes, i know it says your account needs to be active, i am just curious) |
| 21:01.58 | tlund | my account is frozen, I plan on playing again as soon as the pre-expansion-patch is released, and I have two addons I want to make sure they work / update before that |
| 21:02.13 | kd3|hate`net | frozen accounts are fine |
| 21:02.17 | kd3|hate`net | banned accounts are not |
| 21:02.35 | tlund | no no, not banned, never banned ofc :) |
| 21:03.19 | tlund | my bnet account has two wow accounts, both frozen, but access to the PTR is still enabled, so I have been able to test my addons there |
| 21:03.40 | tlund | but no beta access yet (applied via both curse and wowinterface) |
| 21:05.30 | Kaelten | We've submitted it to blizz. :( |
| 21:08.56 | foxlit | That :contains() is nasty :( |
| 21:09.18 | tlund | Kaelten: ah so I should not be worried that _I_ don't get access, I should be worried that NO ONE is getting it? :) |
| 21:12.31 | Mr_Rabies | PTR should be opening soon, according to mmo-c, but that's not exactly the most reliable info |
| 21:14.14 | kd3 | it's normally a month before the patch. the systems patch is likely going to be a month before release |
| 21:14.27 | kd3 | so, the ptr coming up next week sounds about right to me |
| 21:18.11 | Alram | ptr is late |
| 21:18.52 | nevcairiel | ptr was supposed to be last week, indeed |
| 21:20.48 | foxlit | if I'm implementing a table.filter(t, func), should I check that func's return value is truthy; true; or not false? |
| 21:21.17 | nevcairiel | just use the truth rules |
| 21:21.26 | nevcairiel | unless you have any need for being more strict |
| 21:21.28 | tlund | so, I want your comment on something. All my friends are bying expansion online. we are going to play together at midnight. just one slight problem - I want the _physical_ collectors edition box (since I have all the others). So I am giving blizzard a lot more money than my friends - my punishment for this is having to wait in line at a store before midnight, at midnight, wait for my turn, get my box, get home, and join up an hour late... this feels .. ... |
| 21:21.36 | tlund | ... wrong? :) |
| 21:21.59 | tlund | i could ofc just buy a regular digital version, then get collectors edition box later and upgrade |
| 21:22.09 | nevcairiel | order it online at one of those places that send you the game key beforehand |
| 21:22.09 | foxlit | welcome to every-collectors-edition-of-wow-ever. |
| 21:22.15 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:22.23 | tlund | foxlit: yes, thank you, I have them all. two of each actually :) |
| 21:22.52 | foxlit | I think I'm giving up on them now. |
| 21:22.57 | tlund | nevcairiel: they .. open the box? :) |
| 21:23.05 | nevcairiel | tlund: yes |
| 21:23.11 | foxlit | The D3 expansion digital deluxe was particularly unappealing; wow's is similarly lame. |
| 21:23.29 | Neffi | <foxlit> That :contains() is nasty :( <- aye. lot going on there. what is this for? |
| 21:23.39 | tlund | interesting. Perhaps I should have a chat with the guys at my local gamestop and ask if they would consider doing the same for me :) |
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| 21:24.02 | foxlit | Personally, I don't understand why they don't just release the physical boxes one week before or something. |
| 21:24.07 | nevcairiel | if you know someone there, they may also cheat for you and give it to you in the evening before the launch |
| 21:24.14 | nevcairiel | yeah foxlit |
| 21:24.18 | foxlit | there's *nothing* in the actual box that isn't made ages in advance. |
| 21:24.44 | nevcairiel | for the normal edition they even have those "digital" boxes now, ie. the normal box, but without a DVD, but only a game code to enter online |
| 21:24.55 | Neffi | I always find your code a bitch to follow, fox. so many 1-letter var names |
| 21:24.55 | nevcairiel | but they didnt do that for collectors |
| 21:25.15 | tlund | foxlit: the only reason for that would be the fact that they miss out on the spectacle that is the midnight launch |
| 21:25.37 | foxlit | but with digital upgrades, don't they anyway? |
| 21:25.50 | nevcairiel | still enough people that go to those, i guess |
| 21:26.04 | foxlit | Neffi: most of those 1-char names have a lifetime of <10 lines. |
| 21:27.03 | Neffi | still makes it hard to follow when you're not already intimate with the code |
| 21:29.19 | foxlit | but anyway, you had a question that I ignored. |
| 21:29.49 | foxlit | This addresses an issue I have with my spellbook. |
| 21:30.37 | foxlit | The spellbook has multiple categories; each category contains multiple elements, each of which is a list of values like ("spell",123456) or ("battlepet",123, 345, 456, 564) |
| 21:31.41 | foxlit | I want to use that code to manage storing the contents of the category. |
| 21:31.46 | tlund | foxlit: yes, but all the hardcore fans (like me, i guess?) still want to CE box, and show up :) |
| 21:32.29 | foxlit | host a pre-release event, imo; developer interaction and so on. Didn't they already do something like that for HotS? |
| 21:32.49 | nevcairiel | those things do kinda exist anyway, but only in like 2-3 locations around the globe |
| 21:33.26 | foxlit | invest in some video links or something. |
| 21:33.50 | foxlit | Probably still better than whatever the local gamestop is arranging for the midnight launch. |
| 21:34.23 | foxlit | Neffi: so does that make sense to you? |
| 21:34.53 | Neffi | yeah, makes sense |
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| 21:35.42 | tlund | foxlit: in stockholm, people dress up at one of the bigger stores in the city |
| 21:35.49 | tlund | s/dress up/cosplay/ |
| 21:36.01 | tlund | haha, awesome purl! |
| 21:38.40 | foxlit | tlund: that could be moved to an arbitrary date, I think :) |
| 21:38.50 | tlund | foxlit: yea |
| 21:39.15 | tlund | they should just do it 6hrs before launch, at 18:00 |
| 21:39.26 | tlund | then everyone can be home at 23, ready to play at midnight :) |
| 21:39.37 | tlund | but I assume blizzard does not allow that? |
| 21:42.09 | nevcairiel | they dont |
| 21:44.01 | foxlit | okay, so something like http://pastebin.com/WcWtLsbq |
| 21:44.47 | foxlit | pity there's no (...[i]) syntax. |
| 21:53.21 | Neffi | how often is this called? |
| 21:54.26 | Neffi | {...} isn't as evil as some people make it out to be, especially because it's only using the array part. It may be faster than recursion in some scenarious because it doesn't involve a lot of stack manipulation C-side (pushing and popping values every recurse) |
| 21:54.35 | foxlit | let's say a max of ~5k inserts/contains in response to user interaction. |
| 21:54.55 | Neffi | This is on user interaction? I'd probably just pack them in arrays |
| 21:55.07 | nevcairiel | 5000 tables on one click seems like a lot, though |
| 21:56.10 | Neffi | yeah, but maybe there's ways to reduce that number |
| 21:56.27 | foxlit | vargarg lists are generally short; write overwrites on purpose to avoid recursing. |
| 21:57.47 | Semlar | it's raining neffi |
| 21:58.13 | Semlar | "pity there's no (...[i]) syntax." isn't that what select's for? |
| 21:58.19 | foxlit | but would nested arrays really win me much? they'd really just replace h[0] with #h, and the negative indices with an additional entry in subtables. |
| 21:59.01 | Neffi | Semlar: select is slow tho |
| 21:59.13 | Neffi | when doing a lot of manipulation with/on the list, that's bad |
| 21:59.15 | Semlar | not as slow as creating a table to select a specific index |
| 21:59.34 | Semlar | and also not as crazy |
| 21:59.45 | Neffi | depends on how many times you need to manipulate that list. one-off call to select is fine. several manipulations of the data makes {...} much faster |
| 22:00.10 | Neffi | {...} is practically an unboxed C array |
| 22:00.24 | Neffi | Not exactly, but close to as fast |
| 22:00.51 | Semlar | select also handles nil entries and tables do not |
| 22:01.13 | Neffi | you're comparing garbage churn to time efficiency. that's a judgment call that depends on circumstance |
| 22:01.23 | foxlit | you'd just do {[0]=select("#", ...), ...} |
| 22:01.27 | Neffi | you can handle them manually by counting them with select('#') |
| 22:07.41 | foxlit | Hm, so the negative indices are probably always in the hash; no Fortran style arrays, right? |
| 22:19.34 | Neffi | foxlit: absolutely are always in the hash |
| 22:20.15 | Neffi | the only thing that gets put in the array part is positive integers, ever. partly because the key needs to be implicit, only the value is stored |
| 22:21.08 | Neffi | iirc the indexing logic is literally "key is positive integer <= array size? return array_part[key], else hash it" |
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| 22:22.46 | Fisker | I have a sore hand foxlit |
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| 22:27.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.39 | Fisker | Seems frownable |
| 22:29.33 | foxlit | clearly the guilty crown school of naming. |
| 22:30.12 | Fisker | I'm scared |
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| 22:47.24 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: you watching trump? |
| 22:47.48 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: I love that saying. "traffic jam" when you have a big taunt in the way of many small minions |
| 22:48.11 | Fisker | Amaz got rekt a few days ago |
| 22:48.28 | Fisker | Like a board with 7 minions |
| 22:49.01 | Fisker | Enemy plays tinkmaster and 1/1 amaz's rag |
| 22:49.12 | jleclanche | i dont watch amaz anymore outside of tournaments |
| 22:49.18 | jleclanche | he's become *way* too annoying on stream |
| 22:49.42 | jleclanche | fucking unbearable. a shame because he was a great streamer |
| 22:51.11 | jleclanche | btw Fisker |
| 22:51.12 | jleclanche | https://github.com/jleclanche/fireplace/commits/master |
| 22:51.16 | jleclanche | still going strong |
| 22:51.37 | jleclanche | I can safely implement around 80% of the cards |
| 22:52.45 | jleclanche | secrets are completely unimplemented because they are one of the major flaws in the current architecture. i have to reorganize some stuff first |
| 22:55.13 | jleclanche | ah awesome, the last-chance qualifiers are soon |
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| 23:55.02 | Neffi | "troll racial seems the best for mage" "but oh god I'm so god-damned ugly" |
| 23:55.21 | Neffi | hardest decision in WoW |
| 23:55.26 | jleclanche | Trump playing the Hearthstone Blizzcon last-chance qualifiers in 15 minutes! |
| 23:56.15 | Semlar | neffi how could you say that about trolls |
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| 23:59.56 | kd3 | phoronix, but wtf: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1 |
