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| 00:06.00 | Neffi_ | I wish we could transmog leather<->cloth. I want to run around in a tuxedo |
| 00:06.26 | TC-Work | You can. |
| 00:06.29 | TC-Work | Just not in game. |
| 00:06.54 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 00:07.05 | fewyn | i should go to blizzcon in a tuxedo |
| 00:07.19 | TC-Work | Yes you should. |
| 00:07.22 | Neffi_ | I can come up with some awesome looking transmogs, but the shoulders, gloves and boots always ruin it |
| 00:09.17 | Neffi_ | this looked much better before I had to add those: http://i.imgur.com/0hnesWi.jpg |
| 00:13.59 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/slowest/advanced neffi |
| 00:17.53 | Neffi_ | true pimp right thur |
| 00:18.32 | Semlar | such a pimp |
| 00:21.21 | Mr_Rabies | kd3: i forget what your isp is, but if you're on ATT, any connectivity issues today? |
| 00:21.26 | Mr_Rabies | mine's like, totally unusable |
| 00:21.39 | Semlar | neffi http://www.wowhead.com/item=33716 this is the staff i was using before |
| 00:21.58 | Semlar | i think it went better with that set |
| 00:26.36 | Neffi_ | Semlar is da purple pimp |
| 00:27.05 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/wyrmrest-accord/Bodypull/advanced |
| 00:27.44 | Neffi_ | that helm works so well |
| 00:28.40 | Semlar | most helms look retarded on a panda |
| 00:29.30 | Semlar | bears aren't meant to wear hats |
| 00:32.10 | Neffi_ | Semlar: wat? http://profileimages.torn.com/42bc9660-87d8-8cd0-1651067.jpg |
| 00:32.26 | Semlar | :| |
| 00:33.34 | p3lim | fucking windows put my entire media drive into read-only mode |
| 00:33.40 | p3lim | WAI |
| 00:35.33 | p3lim | basically means I am now unable to rebase :/ |
| 00:37.28 | Gnarfoz | sounds like it's saving you from yourself :P |
| 00:37.28 | Semlar | the bouncy racial is a lot more useful when you can't just fly everywhere |
| 00:43.44 | kd3 | guh. network printing in linux? easy. yay for IPP. network printing in windows? impossible |
| 00:44.02 | Gnarfoz | uhhhh |
| 00:45.04 | Gnarfoz | not wanting to burst your bubble but clearly, network printing in Windows also works |
| 00:45.15 | Gnarfoz | (and additionally, it also supports IPP, so wtf) |
| 00:47.31 | kd3 | eh, it's having a pain of a time looking for a driver or something |
| 00:47.40 | kd3 | I really don't want to install hp's crapware in a vm |
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| 02:01.41 | Semlar | kd3: do any of the rares *not* drop garrison resources |
| 02:01.51 | p3lim | hm, seems like IsItemInRange is broken on the beta |
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| 02:12.41 | Stanzilla | the returns changed |
| 02:13.21 | Stanzilla | I remember a commit msg about it, from 1/0 to true false maybe? |
| 02:14.03 | Stanzilla | ah there, change IsItemInRange() usage, nowadays it returns nil/false/true instead of nil/0/1 |
| 02:14.08 | Stanzilla | p3lim: ^ |
| 02:14.27 | p3lim | it's nil no matter what, that's how it's broken |
| 02:15.26 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 02:15.41 | p3lim | I'm well aware of the flags changing from 1/0 to booleans, I've even made a forum post about it |
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| 02:44.34 | Torhal | Bring bnet back, Stanzilla. |
| 02:44.41 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 02:45.07 | Torhal | Ass. |
| 02:52.25 | Stanzilla | Torhal: can't even tell if maint or just down for EU |
| 02:52.33 | Torhal | Stanzilla: DDoS |
| 02:55.06 | Stanzilla | Torhal: I know but we have maint today |
| 02:55.08 | Stanzilla | so yeah |
| 02:55.40 | Torhal | sends Stanzilla to a yak shaving exposition. |
| 03:01.54 | Torhal | Stanzilla: http://map.ipviking.com/ |
| 03:12.52 | Stanzilla | fun |
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| 03:42.00 | Stanzilla | yes |
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| 04:34.22 | Cairenn | awwwwwwww |
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| 05:58.12 | Neffi_ | ~whalenuke Semlar |
| 05:58.13 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Semlar with his mind powers. |
| 05:58.18 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 05:58.33 | Semlar | go to sleep |
| 05:58.49 | Neffi_ | I'm about to. I wanted to show somebody what ~whalenuke did |
| 05:59.23 | Semlar | it awakens the kraken |
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| 08:31.04 | p3lim | Anyone want a beta key to The Crew? |
| 08:31.57 | p3lim | I'm not really into driving games, and especially if they are on Uplay :p |
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| 10:18.42 | Semlar | neffi am i online |
| 10:19.17 | Semlar | i don't appear to have a dns |
| 10:19.52 | Kalroth | you're online, silly |
| 10:20.16 | Semlar | i can't access any websites :( |
| 10:20.28 | Kalroth | hands Semlar 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 10:22.55 | Maldivia | 4.2.2.2 also works |
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| 10:55.15 | Semlar | alright i blew out the internet tubes |
| 10:55.31 | Kalroth | tmi |
| 10:56.06 | Semlar | i couldn't get google dns to work either so i don't know what the deal was |
| 10:56.33 | Semlar | i mean i couldn't ping 8.8.8.8, i can ping it now but obviously i have my dns back |
| 10:58.13 | Semlar | i blame obama |
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| 11:14.16 | Semlar | well, it looks like OnTooltipSetQuest doesn't necessarily fire if the quest hasn't already been cached, which makes it almost useless since the data is available immediately if it has been cached |
| 11:21.55 | Semlar | did they change something about how this information is cached, i can't even generate a tooltip for random outland quests |
| 11:28.07 | Semlar | kd3: Matron of Sin is at 38.75, 49.79 in talador |
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| 11:34.18 | karl_w_w | hold me closer tony danza |
| 11:57.26 | Simca_ | semlar, caching of quests is unchanged, at least using :SetHyperlink("quest:QuestID") |
| 11:57.49 | Semlar | i literally can't generate a tooltip for an outland quest |
| 11:58.19 | Simca_ | what's the ID |
| 11:58.23 | Semlar | any of them |
| 11:58.26 | Semlar | 10864 for example |
| 11:58.39 | Semlar | i tried the first like 10 of these http://wod.wowhead.com/quests=8.3483 |
| 11:59.11 | Semlar | the tooltip is just empty |
| 11:59.34 | Semlar | i can generate tooltips for draenor quests |
| 11:59.45 | Semlar | which is my current location |
| 12:00.35 | Semlar | the quests i've tried outside of draenor don't function |
| 12:01.18 | Semlar | i'm not sure if it's based on where you are or what |
| 12:01.26 | Simca_ | doubtful |
| 12:02.04 | Simca_ | pretty sure the caching process is perfectly fine, so it's the tooltip display that is just bad |
| 12:02.12 | Simca_ | lemme double check |
| 12:02.13 | Semlar | well i definitely can't create a tooltip for any quest i've tried outside of draenor |
| 12:05.41 | Semlar | you can test it pretty easily, just hover over the player frame and do /run GameTooltip:SetHyperlink('quest:10864') |
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| 12:11.46 | Simca_ | yeah i can replicate that bug |
| 12:12.15 | Simca_ | but that doesn't prove anything about caching. I'm watching the cache now while iterating questID from 1 to 40000 |
| 12:12.23 | Simca_ | will see in a minute |
| 12:12.50 | Semlar | i've tried some random quests outside of draenor and i can't get any of them to make a tooltip |
| 12:13.58 | Semlar | this is the only way to get the name of a quest from an ID if it isn't in your log, right? |
| 12:14.23 | Simca_ | there is another function, or was. but it only caches quests. |
| 12:14.58 | Simca_ | still waiting for it to finish, but my hunch is that Blizzard implemented the same system they use with items, so quests that haven't been seen in a player's log are held back by the server when you request info |
| 12:15.15 | Simca_ | obvious use being it hides legendary quests. |
| 12:15.42 | Simca_ | outland quests being hidden because this is beta and nobody is in outland questing |
| 12:15.42 | Semlar | well, i've been able to get draenor quests that i've never seen before |
| 12:15.50 | Simca_ | but have other people? |
| 12:16.01 | Semlar | you think it's like a server wide thing? |
| 12:16.09 | Semlar | if anyone unlocks it you can request info |
| 12:16.15 | Simca_ | that's how items are right now |
| 12:16.26 | Semlar | oy |
| 12:16.29 | Simca_ | every night after raid testing I pick up 3-10 new items |
| 12:16.33 | Simca_ | as they drop in raids |
| 12:16.59 | Semlar | well that would explain this behavior |
| 12:19.21 | Semlar | i don't suppose you know where the entrance to the "tomb of souls" is in talador |
| 12:20.42 | Simca_ | NW of Auch |
| 12:21.11 | Semlar | well.. there is what appears to be an entrance at the court of souls on the map but i must be blind because there doesn't appear to be anything here |
| 12:21.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/3XsRGI4.jpg |
| 12:23.05 | Semlar | do you have to do something to open it? |
| 12:23.25 | Semlar | oh hang on |
| 12:23.37 | Semlar | i found it, it's nowhere near where it's marked on the map |
| 12:23.43 | Simca_ | must be at the center of all those roads |
| 12:24.39 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/nPvmFxf.jpg |
| 12:24.56 | Semlar | i was looking all over the place where it's marked and i was like.. there's nothing here |
| 12:25.23 | Semlar | >_> |
| 12:26.19 | Semlar | i need an addon that marks every underground cave entrance |
| 12:26.51 | Simca_ | yay, glad to be wrong |
| 12:26.57 | Simca_ | http://i.imgur.com/mDD3p1S.png caching works fine |
| 12:27.04 | Simca_ | just tooltip display that is broken |
| 12:27.08 | Semlar | oO |
| 12:27.17 | Semlar | so you can fetch the data into the client |
| 12:27.29 | Semlar | and read it outside the game |
| 12:27.41 | Semlar | but you can't populate the tooltips unless someone has seen it on the server? |
| 12:28.00 | Simca_ | maybe? |
| 12:28.10 | Semlar | i mean, some of the quests work |
| 12:28.16 | Simca_ | would be a dumb restriction though because wowhead/wowdb would still have all of them. |
| 12:28.27 | Simca_ | it would only hurt addons and players. |
| 12:28.42 | Simca_ | that's why I think it is probably a bug |
| 12:29.10 | Simca_ | maybe they did something special with tooltips for draenor quests and everything pre-draenor accidentally broke because those quests don't have the right fields or something |
| 12:29.37 | Semlar | could be |
| 12:29.48 | Semlar | they did add some quest api functions |
| 12:29.52 | Semlar | like that questline stuff |
| 12:30.36 | Semlar | mostly i just wanted to be able to fetch the name of a quest and output it to the chat when it got flagged as completed |
| 12:30.55 | Semlar | the tracking quests |
| 12:31.23 | Simca_ | well that should still be feasible, at least for draenor |
| 12:31.31 | Semlar | yeah it mostly works for draenor |
| 12:32.02 | Semlar | i might have to rewrite what i'm doing because OnTooltipSetQuest doesn't seem to fire every time |
| 12:32.43 | Semlar | maybe you have a reliable example |
| 12:34.34 | Simca_ | well, if you do it like this: function fires on QUEST_COMPLETED, runs a list of changed completed quests from the API against list you from your last retrieval, then sets a custom tooltip to the changed questID, and then immediately grabs CustomTooltipLeftText1 as the quest name |
| 12:34.52 | Simca_ | then that should be all you need, shouldn't need to hook anything |
| 12:35.19 | Simca_ | if LeftText1 is "", then you fall back to a case without quest name |
| 12:35.38 | Semlar | nah i have to request data about the quest even after it's completed |
| 12:36.17 | Simca_ | my script only goes over every quest once |
| 12:36.29 | Simca_ | and before this change, the text of every quest flashed across the tooltip |
| 12:36.48 | Simca_ | it requests the data as it needs it and outputs it without any explicit calls |
| 12:37.23 | Semlar | well, even the first time i wrote a quest scanning function that just iterated over a range of ids it had to wait for the data to cache, you couldn't just immediately grab the name |
| 12:37.54 | Semlar | unless maybe the description is separate |
| 12:38.16 | Semlar | nah because all i'm doing is looking at the name right now and it still has a delay |
| 12:38.54 | Simca_ | a delay for the tooltip to be shown should delay your following line to check it though |
| 12:39.22 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/SYpS1WcY |
| 12:39.25 | Simca_ | and the delay must be pretty damn small |
| 12:40.12 | Simca_ | I scan 1 quest every 17ms or so |
| 12:40.36 | Semlar | hm, i have a 0.5-1 second delay before the quest name pops |
| 12:40.46 | Semlar | so you must be doing something different |
| 12:41.12 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.13 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.13 | Simca_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.39 | Simca_ | original code had GameTooltip instead of QuestTooltip, but basically just that |
| 12:41.50 | Semlar | the very first time after you relog it has a <20ms delay? |
| 12:42.16 | Simca_ | yeah, it did. let me wipe my cache again and try a scan purely on draenor quests to see |
| 12:42.52 | Semlar | once the information has been requested, subsequent requests are basically instant |
| 12:42.59 | Semlar | until i relog |
| 12:44.03 | Simca_ | it's hard to say what the delay is without profiling though, it could be up to 150 ms. I know the scan completes slower than it should in theory, so retrieving the packets could be over 20ms |
| 12:44.08 | Simca_ | but certainly nowhere near 1000ms |
| 12:44.29 | Simca_ | or even 500 |
| 12:47.00 | Simca_ | hmm, it goes so fast the tooltip doesn't even show up |
| 12:47.21 | Simca_ | it flickers ocassionally, maybe every 200 quests or so |
| 12:47.28 | p3lim | Rukhmar, the world boss in Arak, where exactly is he? |
| 12:47.40 | Semlar | i think he flies around |
| 12:47.48 | p3lim | in the entire zone? |
| 12:48.45 | Semlar | i'm not really sure |
| 12:48.53 | Semlar | he certainly isn't stationary though |
| 12:50.54 | Simca_ | 200 quests is about ~7.5 seconds on average |
| 12:51.50 | Semlar | what's your whole script |
| 12:52.54 | Semlar | mine takes at least 10 times that long and i have quests time out that just don't populate the tooltip |
| 12:53.35 | Semlar | like, i have to call SetHyperlink a second time on the same quest ID to actually get information |
| 12:54.05 | p3lim | found a rare in Arak that didn't have any drops, when it died it said "Rukhmar will avenge me!" |
| 12:54.24 | p3lim | and I got an epic quality garrison companion that was standing next to it |
| 12:54.55 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/CkMPl1g.jpg the first time i called it i got nothing, the second time it was instant |
| 12:54.58 | p3lim | this was at Dreadtalon Peak |
| 12:55.09 | Simca_ | if you reduce the speed from 1/30, it might yield more interesting results (it's too fast for the tooltip to display info atm), but here: http://www.curseforge.com/paste/kxebl7r8m51ya046/ |
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| 12:56.24 | Semlar | yeah well i'm starting to think it behaves differently if the tooltip is visible |
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| 12:57.31 | Simca_ | ohhh, move the GameTooltip:Show() after the sethyperlink, depr |
| 12:57.34 | Simca_ | derp* |
| 12:57.54 | Simca_ | that's why it wasn't showing anything for me. i must have moved it for some reason a while ago |
| 12:59.53 | Semlar | this is just for caching info though, you don't actually scrape the text |
| 13:00.33 | Simca_ | lemme see if that other function still exists |
| 13:00.41 | Semlar | you may see the odd quest name pop up on the tooltip but that doesn't necessarily mean you can output the name that fast |
| 13:00.51 | Simca_ | yeah i guess |
| 13:01.05 | Simca_ | have you tried calling it twice? |
| 13:01.07 | Simca_ | like |
| 13:01.13 | Semlar | mine's taking like 0.3 seconds to output a random quest |
| 13:01.16 | Simca_ | just line 1 call tooltip, line 2 call tooltip |
| 13:02.35 | Simca_ | meh, it doesn't work any better |
| 13:02.46 | Semlar | yeah i don't think it makes a difference |
| 13:03.10 | Simca_ | sucks there is no event for caching like GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED |
| 13:04.48 | Semlar | well, it wouldn't be so bad if OnTooltipSetQuest didn't seem to not always fire |
| 13:05.25 | Semlar | i may just set a timer to call it again if it fails the first time |
| 13:05.36 | Semlar | because i know the quest IDs i'm requesting information about exist |
| 13:10.24 | Simca_ | "HaveQuestData" was one of the functions added in 6.0 |
| 13:10.32 | Simca_ | checks quest cache status supposedly |
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| 13:12.28 | Semlar | yeah |
| 13:13.09 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure this is actually failing the first time i call it because the font strings don't exist yet on the custom tooltip and it isn't firing the event |
| 13:13.43 | Semlar | once the tooltip is populated with something it seems to work after that |
| 13:14.12 | Simca_ | call show twice? |
| 13:14.16 | Simca_ | haha |
| 13:14.34 | Semlar | i'm just going to not inherit GameTooltipTemplate and add my own font string |
| 13:14.41 | Simca_ | I should found a company called silly solutions, inc |
| 13:16.18 | mikma_ | http://i.imgur.com/rQcobEz.png |
| 13:24.31 | Semlar | alright well screw it, i can't figure out why this is failing the first time i call it but i can fix that by just calling it once when the script starts |
| 13:24.43 | Semlar | THUS SOLVING THE PROBLEM FOREVER |
| 13:26.27 | karl_w_w | mikma_, http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/massive-great-white-shark-closes-cottesloe-beach-20140827-1091mm.html |
| 13:29.12 | Semlar | if i call tip:SetHyperlink('quest:0') immediately after creating the tooltip it seems to work the way i expect it to |
| 13:29.26 | Semlar | but that doesn't make any sense |
| 13:30.05 | karl_w_w | wait |
| 13:30.18 | karl_w_w | coding wow addons is supposed to make sense? |
| 13:30.30 | Semlar | :( |
| 13:30.48 | Semlar | i suppose not |
| 13:32.46 | Semlar | i'm probably missing something but i don't care because it currently works |
| 13:32.57 | Semlar | which is good enough for me |
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| 13:40.29 | foxlit | 196/3^j... this is getting ridiculous :( |
| 13:42.12 | VIad1 | "Zones are already in production for the next expansion, so things should finally be better moving forward." |
| 13:42.14 | VIad1 | XD |
| 13:57.46 | p3lim | Semlar: the quest POI zones on the minimap, are they accessible to us? |
| 13:57.53 | p3lim | if you know |
| 13:58.16 | Semlar | what do you mean, the bonus objective things or the blobs |
| 13:58.20 | p3lim | blobs |
| 13:58.35 | Semlar | you can tell it to draw the blobs |
| 13:58.58 | Semlar | i'm not sure if you can request like coordinates or anything |
| 13:59.00 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 13:59.33 | p3lim | Hrm |
| 13:59.34 | Semlar | well, actually if you're on the quest i'm fairly sure you can get the center of the nearest blob at least because i think it puts an icon on it |
| 13:59.43 | p3lim | Yeah |
| 14:00.08 | p3lim | GetDistanceSqToQuest works well for that, but the blob can be quite large |
| 14:00.14 | p3lim | and it can be quite small too |
| 14:00.33 | p3lim | so I was wondering if I could get data on the actual blobs, like the border |
| 14:00.41 | Semlar | i highly doubt it |
| 14:01.24 | Semlar | the blobs aren't even drawn in a way that you can access them |
| 14:01.38 | p3lim | they've got a tooltip tho |
| 14:03.06 | Semlar | i haven't done anything with them on the beta so maybe they've changed something |
| 14:03.30 | Semlar | the only thing i've done with them is drawn all of the quest blobs at once for my map addon |
| 14:05.30 | Semlar | you're after the distance to the nearest edge of a blob or something? |
| 14:05.40 | p3lim | possibly, yes |
| 14:06.06 | p3lim | because the "radius" of a quest from the center is too random |
| 14:06.39 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/UBRE4Dp.jpg |
| 14:06.44 | p3lim | it can go from a box of 5x5 meters to covering the entire zone |
| 14:07.53 | Semlar | if it has a tooltip they may have made it into a frame you can access but i don't know about that |
| 14:08.43 | Semlar | it may be like the rest of the map area hotspots where it just checks your mouse coordinates onupdate |
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| 14:09.25 | p3lim | WorldMapBlobFrame:GetNumTooltips() WorldMapBlobFrame:GetTooltipIndex(i) |
| 14:11.10 | p3lim | the blobframe covers the entire map tho, and everything seems to be c-side |
| 14:11.40 | Semlar | in my experience you just told it to draw a blob for a quest and that's about as much control as you had over it |
| 14:11.54 | p3lim | yeah seems like it |
| 14:13.11 | Semlar | you might dump its metatable and see if there's anything new in it |
| 14:13.37 | p3lim | looked through the code, doesn't seem like theres anything worthwhile |
| 14:20.25 | Semlar | kd3: http://pastebin.com/18XF198n some coordinates for talador vignettes |
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| 14:25.55 | p3lim | hm, there's this tho <QuestPOIWidget>:UpdateMouseOverTooltip(x, y) |
| 14:26.39 | Semlar | you could ping that in a grid out from the center of the POI to check for data |
| 14:26.52 | p3lim | I'mma try it |
| 14:26.55 | Semlar | that may not be a great idea |
| 14:27.05 | p3lim | prolly not :D |
| 14:27.33 | Semlar | actually |
| 14:27.49 | Semlar | you'd only need to draw a ray from the poi to the player's position |
| 14:28.32 | Semlar | if you're checking for the nearest edge |
| 14:28.45 | p3lim | oh yeah that's right |
| 14:28.59 | Semlar | that's only slightly less crazy though |
| 14:29.06 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, some are rather oddly formed, a straight line to the center could miss the nearest part |
| 14:29.27 | p3lim | still better than using only the center |
| 14:30.02 | Semlar | uh they'd have to be pretty oddly formed for that to make a difference |
| 14:30.16 | nevcairiel | heck a bunch of quests even have multiple blobs on the map because several areas have the same mobs |
| 14:30.30 | Semlar | yeah, but the game gives you the center of the nearest blob |
| 14:30.48 | nevcairiel | you just need a sharp corner in the blob, and its easy to miss it if youre badly positioned to it |
| 14:31.19 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 14:31.40 | Semlar | if you're drawing a line from the player to the center of the blob it's going to intersect the nearest edge |
| 14:32.15 | foxlit | | blobs are convex. |
| 14:33.12 | Semlar | granted i don't know math so maybe i'm not the person to ask |
| 14:33.35 | foxlit | imagine a C. |
| 14:34.52 | Semlar | i don't know what coordinates the game will give you in that scenario |
| 14:35.13 | Semlar | assuming blobs can even be concave |
| 14:36.00 | Semlar | if you're standing RIGHT next to one of the curved edges, i don't know if it's going to give you the coordinates of the middle of the thickest part |
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| 14:37.13 | Semlar | that could be at least partially accounted for if you wanted to draw more than one ray |
| 14:39.40 | foxlit | or just a rectangle. |
| 14:40.59 | foxlit | the closest point wouldn't be on a line between you and its center. |
| 14:45.57 | p3lim | actually, you're both wrong :p |
| 14:46.35 | p3lim | stupid buttons aren't even centered: http://i.imgur.com/mhwa2Dv.png |
| 14:47.05 | Semlar | is that the nearest point |
| 14:47.19 | Semlar | or just a random point |
| 14:47.21 | p3lim | all 3 quests have the blobs in the same place, but the "center" POI icons are moved out on the edges for readability |
| 14:47.26 | p3lim | probably fixed point |
| 14:47.44 | p3lim | I've moved around, relogged, retaken the quest, all the same point |
| 14:48.36 | Semlar | well |
| 14:49.25 | Semlar | assuming the function instantly returns data, you'd have to draw multiple rays to get an idea of where the leading edge is |
| 14:49.51 | Semlar | which is probably be more trouble than it's worth |
| 14:49.58 | p3lim | still inaccurate, and it can even fail completely |
| 14:50.10 | p3lim | GetDistanceSqToQuest is probably as good as it gets |
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| 14:53.18 | p3lim | oh they are actually centered |
| 14:53.29 | p3lim | SetPOIIconOverlapDistance |
| 14:54.49 | p3lim | it's not used anywhere is blizz's code, not does it have a Get equivalent so I could read the default value |
| 14:54.56 | p3lim | s/not/nor |
| 14:55.46 | Semlar | do you set it to 0 to make them stack up or what |
| 14:57.14 | p3lim | yup |
| 14:57.19 | g0urra | anyone who's in The Crew beta? |
| 14:57.30 | p3lim | g0urra: got a key, not gonna install uplay |
| 14:58.08 | g0urra | why not? |
| 14:58.19 | p3lim | because it's uplay |
| 14:58.30 | g0urra | and why is uplay so bad? |
| 14:59.20 | p3lim | I gave a lecture about it here about a week ago, I've finally calmed myself down now so I'm not gonna repeat it :] |
| 15:00.14 | g0urra | alright, your loss |
| 15:01.14 | p3lim | not into driving games in any case |
| 15:01.48 | g0urra | well I got 3 beta keys to give away and the beta runs out on friday |
| 15:02.04 | p3lim | got one to give away as well ;) |
| 15:02.25 | g0urra | no shit |
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| 15:24.28 | Semlar | p3lim: you can make your own blob frame |
| 15:24.42 | p3lim | true |
| 15:24.56 | p3lim | but it's still a lot of work |
| 15:25.10 | Semlar | not that it really makes it a viable option |
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| 15:25.10 | p3lim | it's really accurate tho |
| 15:25.39 | Semlar | what is this, just to point to the nearest quest? |
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| 15:26.10 | p3lim | it's to get the distance between the player and a specific quest |
| 15:26.30 | Semlar | to what end though |
| 15:26.41 | Semlar | just to display a more accurate distance? |
| 15:27.17 | p3lim | I'm adding a button ala ExtraActionButton for special quest items, and I base which item is shown by the closest quest with an item |
| 15:27.51 | p3lim | issue is that it has no limits other than the continent where it would show the item, so I have to add distance measurements |
| 15:28.00 | Semlar | the watch frame can sort quests by distance, but i don't know if it's the same as the quest distance function |
| 15:28.15 | p3lim | I'm currently just checking if GetDistanceSqToQuest is less than 200000 |
| 15:28.21 | p3lim | it is |
| 15:28.32 | p3lim | the proximity option uses GetDistanceSqToQuest |
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| 15:29.42 | p3lim | but as I mentioned earlier, this is not that accurate, as the size of the blobs can vary a lot, and 200k is just a number I picked for testing |
| 15:30.01 | p3lim | the distance api is dead on to the center tho |
| 15:32.31 | Semlar | the max yards across they can create an instance to be is 34k |
| 15:33.22 | p3lim | oh? |
| 15:33.55 | p3lim | source/proof please |
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| 15:41.51 | Semlar | an instance can't physically be larger than that |
| 15:41.51 | Semlar | and the land area of existing maps don't really utilize anywhere near the entire space |
| 15:42.11 | Semlar | as far as i can tell from what i know about the map, their map building program is limited to 64x64 tiles of 533 and 1/3 yards each |
| 15:42.19 | Semlar | and they basically paint terrain onto that |
| 15:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, seems like MSBT is somewhat broken, what alternatives are there nowadays? :o |
| 15:43.46 | zenzelezz | broken how? |
| 15:44.28 | Mr_Rabies | can't change the font apparently, according to a handful of people on the comments |
| 15:45.55 | Semlar | hm, if you look at the azeroth map on the beta right now it's drawing my arrow over the maelstrom |
| 15:45.55 | Semlar | while i'm in talador |
| 15:45.56 | Semlar | of instance size? |
| 15:47.18 | Mr_Rabies | eh guess i'll try it for myself |
| 15:48.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's certainly possible that 5+ people in the past month that commented on MSBT are dumb |
| 15:49.30 | Trela | Mr_Rabies: The font issue is real. The font can be changed if brute forced, but will never thus reseting upon reload. |
| 15:50.02 | Mr_Rabies | well then, guess i didn't need to try it for myself then, lol |
| 15:50.15 | Mihau | *will never save |
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| 15:50.42 | Mihau | It is not fun fixing the font either since it is burried in the options. |
| 15:50.49 | Semlar | or that i'm showing up on the azeroth map |
| 15:50.49 | Semlar | p3lim: :O |
| 15:50.49 | Semlar | you want me to explain why i think the world is flat and only 34k yards across? |
| 15:50.50 | Semlar | just replace the default font file in the folder? |
| 15:50.50 | Semlar | if you can't swap it out in the interface |
| 15:50.55 | Mr_Rabies | wow, that font is terrible |
| 15:51.02 | Mr_Rabies | guess i'll see what else is out there |
| 15:51.44 | Semlar | why not just physically replace the default ttf file |
| 15:52.14 | Mr_Rabies | because it's likely just gonna break with WoD anyway, no real reason to keep using a broken abandoned addon |
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| 15:52.55 | Semlar | well, if it does what you want aside from that for the time being, it seems like a fairly simple fix |
| 15:53.20 | sb | there is no alternative to MSBT |
| 15:53.22 | Semlar | not using it now because it may not work in the future seems odd |
| 15:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | if something's not in active development i'll seek alternatives every now and then |
| 15:53.33 | sb | so it has to be fixed anyways :p |
| 15:53.55 | Mr_Rabies | if it's not in active development and i haven't even started using it, i'll find alternatives immediately |
| 15:54.34 | Semlar | i never update anything |
| 15:56.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's your opton to do so |
| 15:56.25 | Mr_Rabies | option* |
| 15:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't use old addons if there are alternatives in active development |
| 15:56.53 | Semlar | i just mean i don't know what active development means |
| 15:57.17 | Semlar | i have addons i haven't touched in a year that work the same as they did |
| 15:57.33 | p3lim | an addon doesn't need active development, only patching if required |
| 15:57.43 | p3lim | active development is only for when it's still being developed |
| 15:57.55 | p3lim | addons become final quite fast |
| 15:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | updated in the last year or so, generally, or updated for the latest interface version reasonably soon after the patch, for me, at least |
| 15:58.43 | Mr_Rabies | if it seems like the addon could be abandoned i'd rather not use it at all since i can't fix it myself if it breaks |
| 15:58.48 | p3lim | there is no reason an addon should be updated just for the toc number |
| 15:59.10 | p3lim | I've got addons 6-7 years old that still works fine |
| 15:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | they don't have to, but i also won't use it if i can find an alternative that has, p3lim |
| 15:59.17 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: where are you looking at this info?= |
| 15:59.20 | Semlar | eh, if it's abandoned, but does what you want aside from a minor fix, i would use it anyway |
| 15:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | what info, zenzelezz |
| 15:59.29 | zenzelezz | the MSBT info |
| 15:59.36 | Mr_Rabies | i installed it |
| 15:59.44 | Mr_Rabies | but on curse comments, initially |
| 16:00.06 | Semlar | i mean i can't say anything about the integrity of the addon since i don't use it, but dismissing it out of hand might be premature |
| 16:00.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather not get accustomed to it |
| 16:00.11 | zenzelezz | I see. Just loaded its page on wowinterface, and the top says "Fixed issue introduced with Patch 5.4 where the fonts could not be changed" |
| 16:00.16 | zenzelezz | sounds like the very issue |
| 16:00.38 | Mr_Rabies | same version that's on curse, it's broken |
| 16:00.53 | Semlar | also p3lim god dammit you can't just ask me something and then go afk! |
| 16:00.58 | zenzelezz | shrugs |
| 16:01.03 | zenzelezz | doesn't seem discontinued anyway |
| 16:01.17 | p3lim | Semlar: I had dinner, it required more immediate attention :p |
| 16:01.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's been broken for a while and the author hasn't commented on it, and it hasn't been updated in a year |
| 16:01.27 | Semlar | >:l |
| 16:01.28 | Mr_Rabies | that's abandoned as far as i'm concerned |
| 16:01.45 | Mr_Rabies | if he decides to come back to it great, i might use it then |
| 16:01.57 | p3lim | I'm pretty sure I've seen blobs stretch and fill an entire zone before tho |
| 16:02.06 | Semlar | what did you want proof of |
| 16:03.13 | Mr_Rabies | p3lim, as i see it, updating the toc is a sign that you've tested it with the latest version and it seems to be working, if it goes on too long without that happening i'd rather not use it |
| 16:03.33 | p3lim | you said something about the blobs' radius or something could not exceed 34k |
| 16:03.41 | Mr_Rabies | i will if i can't find alternatives that do what i want, but if i can find alternatives, i'll use those |
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| 16:09.29 | Semlar | a world can't be larger than 34k yards across |
| 16:09.29 | Semlar | so a blob certainly isn't going to exceed that size |
| 16:09.57 | p3lim | hm |
| 16:10.01 | Semlar | also that would be a gigantic quest area |
| 16:13.03 | Simca_ | <Mr_Rabies> because it's likely just gonna break with WoD anyway, no real reason to keep using a broken abandoned addon |
| 16:13.21 | Simca_ | i've been updating it for WoD and posting the versions on mmo-champion, casually |
| 16:13.46 | Mr_Rabies | i found xCT+ and it seems pretty neat so far |
| 16:13.48 | Simca_ | maybe I'll take over real dev if I have time/there are real issues |
| 16:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | gonna see how it does in the raid tonight |
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| 16:14.13 | Semlar | EK is one of the largest maps and it's 27k yards vertically |
| 16:15.44 | Semlar | and that's counting up to the isle of queldanas which isn't part of the same instance |
| 16:16.07 | Shirik | whee; today marks the first time I made it into the FishEye release notes :D |
| 16:17.28 | Semlar | each continent is a separate instance so you shouldn't be able to calculate distances "between" them outside of how they're represented on the azeroth map |
| 16:26.27 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: testing MSBT out of curiosity now, and the default fonts seem to work fine for me. Sometimes had to select a different font first before one would work, but all of them worked in the end. Might be my luck |
| 16:26.37 | Mr_Rabies | it won't let me select fonts at all |
| 16:27.07 | Mr_Rabies | it just has this doofy balloon font |
| 16:27.14 | Mr_Rabies | if i go to the fonts thing it's totally empty |
| 16:27.52 | zenzelezz | guess I'm just lucky then |
| 16:28.08 | zenzelezz | or it could be some freak addon combination for you, don't know if you use any other addons |
| 16:28.40 | Mr_Rabies | i use a lot of other addons, and trela's having the same issue |
| 16:28.53 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps the version on curse is broken and the one on wowinterface works |
| 16:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | regardless, xct seems to be doing the job and it's being updated |
| 16:29.14 | Mr_Rabies | xct+ |
| 16:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | i really just want something that can consolidate the constant barrage of incoming damage and heals into something i can actually decipher |
| 16:33.31 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, but i didn't consider how delayed the text would have to be to consolidate, hmm |
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| 16:39.16 | TC-Work | It should have the option of time to consolidate. |
| 16:39.45 | TC-Work | I think parrot was set to 3 seconds. |
| 16:41.40 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy_ |
| 16:41.57 | Lopeppeppy_ | good morning, dear. How's the weather? |
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| 16:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure the technical term for that is a "glomp" Fisker |
| 16:45.26 | Fisker | weather is greyish Lopeppeppy_ |
| 16:45.27 | Fisker | evening here |
| 16:47.23 | Mr_Rabies | mannn really wish more people were playing |
| 16:47.31 | Mr_Rabies | now's the perfect time to level alts unless you hate questing |
| 16:47.43 | p3lim | Semlar: keep in mind I'm working with squared numbers here, I'm maxing the distance to ~450 yards |
| 16:47.52 | Mr_Rabies | in which case the dungeon queues can be absurd at certain levels |
| 16:47.59 | Semlar | squaresville |
| 16:49.02 | p3lim | this api is funny tho, it works across continents, so I'm currently in SW, that's ~65k yards from the east coast of Arak :p |
| 16:49.34 | Mr_Rabies | oh geez this weekend is gonna be hot for dragoncon |
| 16:49.45 | fewyn | dargon |
| 16:49.50 | Mr_Rabies | and possibly stormy |
| 16:50.02 | Mr_Rabies | 90-95F all weekend |
| 16:51.58 | Lopeppeppy_ | stay inside with AC? |
| 16:55.32 | Fisker | I don't want to die Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:00.44 | Fisker | I died :( |
| 17:02.15 | Lopeppeppy_ | I am too late? |
| 17:02.39 | Lopeppeppy_ | applies the defibrillator. |
| 17:04.33 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:04.37 | Fisker | http://gridland.doublespeakgames.com/ |
| 17:04.43 | Fisker | Warning though |
| 17:04.45 | Fisker | It's addictive :( |
| 17:05.13 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, lil timmy's white kitten is just sitting in place in stormwind |
| 17:05.14 | Mr_Rabies | never seen that |
| 17:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | on its own |
| 17:05.28 | Mr_Rabies | oh, he must have just despawned |
| 17:05.36 | Mr_Rabies | because it's gone now too |
| 17:06.09 | Fisker | damnit |
| 17:06.11 | Fisker | I died again |
| 17:09.13 | Fisker | The nightmares begin |
| 17:09.34 | TC-Work | Fisker: Your warning was not enough |
| 17:11.16 | karl_w_w | Fisker, I don't understand the purpose of this game |
| 17:12.18 | TC-Work | To win |
| 17:13.43 | sb | Semlar: where are your msbt builds? |
| 17:13.54 | Semlar | don't look at me |
| 17:14.15 | sb | oh, Simca_ |
| 17:14.17 | sb | sorry :) |
| 17:15.40 | Simca_ | no worries |
| 17:21.46 | mikma_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/27V4p Nude portraits! |
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| 17:31.16 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.28 | Fisker | jumps and takes a tongue for Lopeppeppy_ |
| 17:33.37 | bluipodcow | http://www.snopes.com/info/news/daterapenails.asp |
| 17:33.39 | Lopeppeppy_ | .... *gigglesnark* |
| 17:33.42 | bluipodcow | Interesting |
| 17:33.58 | Lopeppeppy_ | That was for Fisker, not for blue. |
| 17:34.04 | bluipodcow | I read that as giggle shark |
| 17:34.37 | bluipodcow | I now has this Vision of Lopeppeppy_ as a giggling shark |
| 17:34.48 | Lopeppeppy_ | Giggling T-Rex, blueberry. |
| 17:35.33 | bluipodcow | Kk |
| 17:35.45 | Semlar | kd3: all of the "gift of anzu" vignettes are the weapons you can loot at shrines to terokk |
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| 17:38.17 | Fisker | Not the giggles |
| 17:42.17 | mikma_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/hVj44 relevant to dateraping |
| 17:44.56 | Fisker | Yay |
| 17:45.09 | Fisker | You lost your underscore |
| 17:46.01 | bluipodcow | Men! |
| 17:47.07 | Fisker | Hey bluipodcow |
| 17:47.18 | bluipodcow | Hey |
| 17:47.21 | bluipodcow | Lo |
| 17:48.15 | Fisker | Heylo |
| 17:51.20 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker, oh man it's a robot |
| 17:53.08 | Fisker | :? |
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| 19:33.46 | Fisker | sends Lopeppeppy a smiley face |
| 19:34.28 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 19:35.54 | Fisker | So the picture is right |
| 19:36.01 | Fisker | You do like smiley faces |
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| 19:44.04 | Arrowmaster | 4 interviews in 3 weeks (if the guy that called today ever emails me the details including the address) |
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| 20:15.32 | TC-Work | Shirik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Azd9z3l9I |
| 20:38.53 | foxlit | TC-Work: 2 minutes nobody will ever get back :*( |
| 20:39.30 | TC-Work | foxlit: Not my fault you clicked a link that specifically had Shirik's name attached to it. |
| 20:41.46 | foxlit | TC-Work: is it that Shirik would find this interesting, or was it just intended to steal his two minutes? :) |
| 20:42.17 | TC-Work | foxlit: Hopefuly interesting, he has a thing for magnets. |
| 20:42.38 | Fisker | Why does death suddenly appear foxlit? |
| 20:42.45 | foxlit | (plus, that's a link in a public chat channel, so it doesn't matter whose name you attach to it, it's going to get clicked.) |
| 20:43.15 | TC-Work | Right, but I don't take blame for that. |
| 20:44.56 | foxlit | Blame gets assigned externally, it doesn't matter whether you take it or not :) |
| 20:47.25 | foxlit | But if you'd like to test that theory, I suggest placing boxes with mouse traps and a "Shirik, put your hand in there!" signs in public areas. |
| 20:48.51 | foxlit | (feels like that style of contraption should have a name) |
| 20:49.07 | kd3 | schmuckbait? |
| 20:49.23 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 20:55.39 | smcn | do mages still have spellsteal in wod |
| 20:56.17 | kd3 | yes |
| 20:56.52 | Fisker | Does Cairenn still not know what the fox says in wod? |
| 20:57.00 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 21:14.46 | Fisker | poor Lopeppeppy stuck at work |
| 21:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | Just about logging out, actually. Finally. Kids arrive tomorrow at 7am, lots to do! |
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| 22:57.36 | Arrowmaster | room for blizzcon at decent close by hotel: $95 per night plus taxes (17%+), room for one night event at small hotel: $105 total |
| 22:58.43 | Arrowmaster | i guess that one is $89 before taxes |
| 22:59.38 | Fisker | My room is free to you |
| 23:00.31 | Semlar2 | get a room you two |
| 23:00.45 | Fisker | That's what I'm trying to |
| 23:01.32 | Arrowmaster | you know im a top right? |
| 23:01.59 | Fisker | I do now |
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| 23:32.11 | smcn | so what's the deal with beta leveling realm 1 |
| 23:33.47 | Dagmar | There's a lot of bugs? |
| 23:34.04 | Dagmar | It's probably just not back up yet |
| 23:34.53 | smcn | just think it's weird that it's the only beta realm down atm and there's nothing on the forums or twitter about it |
| 23:44.10 | Dagmar | It's acutally up, although it's restarting in three minutes |
| 23:44.21 | Dagmar | This *might* be why they're restarting it |
| 23:44.35 | smcn | lol |
| 23:44.50 | Dagmar | ...although I'd like to think they're patching because the Garrisons appear to have suffered more regressions than fixes lately. |
| 23:45.12 | Dagmar | I just logged in, did my mining and herb garden, flipped some leather cooldowns |
| 23:45.52 | Dagmar | By the way, can I interest you in your very own copy of [A Compendium of the Herbs of Draenor]? |
| 23:45.55 | smcn | oh that was my bad |
| 23:46.22 | Dagmar | Perhaps [A Guide to Mining in Draenor]? |
| 23:46.33 | smcn | newp |
| 23:47.36 | smcn | so yeah i'm just dumb i was sitting at realm selection expecting it to auto-update when the server came back up like on live |
| 23:48.05 | Dagmar | I'm reasonably sure they're dropping because they want to be sure that the books *will* drop, but seeing as how I don't do either of those tradeskills, and I got another copy of the skinning book WHILE SKINNING this weeked, I'm beginning to wonder |
| 23:48.27 | smcn | yeah it just seems to be the gathering ones that do that i've just got them in my bank |
| 23:48.35 | Dagmar | It *really* doesn't make sense to get teh skinning book while skinning something. |
| 23:48.53 | Dagmar | Ohh... Putting them in the bank. That's a good idea |
| 23:49.08 | Dagmar | I've got space in there now due to the new materials page |
| 23:49.24 | Dagmar | I've just been keeping a copy of each and destroying them every few days |
| 23:49.37 | smcn | lol |
| 23:49.57 | Dagmar | They drop within the first fifteen minutes of hassling any humanoid NPCs |
| 23:50.28 | Semlar | the skinning book i got raised the cap from 600 to 700 |
| 23:50.29 | Dagmar | THey're starting to feel like direct mail advertisements |
| 23:51.08 | Dagmar | Yeah they're how you get flagged for the new tradeskill cap, but some of them are dropping _all the time_ whether you have that tradeskill or not, so long as you don't currently own a copy |
| 23:51.42 | Dagmar | ...but, Blizz has another four years to go before they're as annoying as the damn baby formula people |
| 23:51.47 | Semlar | that reminds me i need to pick up archaeology |
| 23:52.03 | Semlar | half the chests in spires require archaeology |
| 23:52.18 | Dagmar | Ooo... |
| 23:52.28 | Dagmar | I've not seen the book for that |
| 23:52.41 | Dagmar | I was beginning to wonder if they'd even done any work on it for post 90 |
| 23:52.44 | Semlar | i think i just need to pick it up from a trainer |
| 23:52.59 | Dagmar | The new cap or the skill? |
| 23:53.03 | Semlar | the skill |
| 23:53.07 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 23:53.14 | Semlar | the chests just say "Requires Archeology" and taunt me |
| 23:53.31 | Dagmar | I was going to log back in to file a report if we're getting the other books from every nook and cranny in the landscape, but Archaeology we actually still had to upgrade from a trainer |
| 23:53.58 | Dagmar | Heh I wonder if you'll get fossil fragments |
| 23:54.39 | Dagmar | "Your amateurish attempts at grave robbing have destroyed this artifact. Collect 10 to try to create something you can sell at a flea market." |
