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| 00:43.13 | Gethe | Does anyone know if there are tracking quests for the WoD world bosses like in Mists? |
| 00:43.38 | Simca_ | possibly, but unlikely |
| 00:43.48 | Simca_ | there is a new tracking system in place for world bosses |
| 00:44.01 | Gethe | oh? |
| 00:46.05 | Simca_ | API function Usage: GetSavedWorldBossInfo(index) |
| 00:46.44 | Simca_ | similar to SetSavedInstanceExtend,GetSavedInstanceChatLink,GetSavedInstanceEncounterInfo,GetSavedInstanceInfo,GetNumSavedInstances |
| 00:47.10 | Simca_ | also new is GetNumSavedWorldBosses |
| 00:47.13 | Gethe | kk thanks |
| 00:47.21 | Simca_ | yup |
| 00:48.32 | Semlar | well, there are tracking quests for every rare |
| 00:49.46 | Semlar | some of them are dailies |
| 00:52.35 | Semlar | do you have an example of a world boss? |
| 00:53.15 | Gethe | http://wod.wowhead.com/npc=83746/ |
| 00:53.39 | Gethe | listed in dungeon jornal under Draenor |
| 00:54.42 | Semlar | i don't believe it has a separate tracking quest, but it could be mislabled |
| 00:57.08 | Semlar | so bosses probably only use the new api functions |
| 01:40.27 | p3lim | is there a way to see every attribute of a widget? |
| 01:41.39 | Semlar | yes |
| 01:42.18 | Semlar | you should be able to do something like /run for k in pairs(getmetatable(widget).__index) print(k) end |
| 01:44.37 | p3lim | that's the methods and variables, I'm thinking of the attributes you set and get with Set|GetAttribute() |
| 01:44.39 | Semlar | i may have left out a "do" somewhere |
| 01:44.45 | Semlar | oh |
| 01:45.03 | Semlar | well SetAttribute technically can take any value |
| 01:45.20 | p3lim | which is why I can't just go off a list |
| 01:46.21 | Semlar | you're doing something secure? |
| 01:46.49 | p3lim | maybe, just wanna take a peek at some frames |
| 01:47.18 | Semlar | you want to loop over every attribute that's already been set on a frame? |
| 01:47.25 | Semlar | i'm not sure how you would do that |
| 01:47.36 | p3lim | my exact issue :p |
| 01:47.56 | p3lim | I could probably hook into SetAttribute() or listen to OnAttributeChanged |
| 01:48.16 | Semlar | well it wouldn't work if they've already been set |
| 01:48.22 | p3lim | exactly :p |
| 01:48.55 | Semlar | i think the attributes must be stored in a table somewhere but i don't know how you get at them |
| 01:49.58 | p3lim | or if it's even possible |
| 01:51.27 | Semlar | i suppose if you had a list of possible valid secure attributes you could check |
| 01:52.29 | p3lim | won't do for custom attributes tho |
| 01:52.59 | Semlar | i don't think blizzard uses custom attributes |
| 01:53.05 | Semlar | everything else you can probably hook |
| 01:53.21 | p3lim | true |
| 01:55.21 | Semlar | i actually have this in my cooldown addon to handle non-blizzard buttons hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(CreateFrame('checkbutton', nil, nil, 'SecureActionButtonTemplate')).__index, 'SetAttribute', function() ... end) |
| 01:58.02 | Semlar | so i can "discover" new action buttons |
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| 02:18.18 | p3lim | hm, need a good place to test the extraactionbutton |
| 02:23.41 | Gethe | on beta? |
| 02:24.37 | Gethe | the quest after you disable the dark portal, where you light stuff on fire |
| 02:28.09 | smcn | doesn't your garrison ability turn into an EAB if you drag it off your bar |
| 02:28.31 | Gethe | no they made a new button for that |
| 02:28.44 | smcn | that makes sense |
| 02:28.53 | Gethe | ZoneAbility or some such |
| 02:29.08 | p3lim | Gethe: the first quest chain is bugged |
| 02:29.11 | p3lim | currently |
| 02:29.24 | p3lim | I just went to talador, got the ability there |
| 02:29.31 | Gethe | kk |
| 02:29.41 | p3lim | for some reason the garrison ability in smv doesn't work any more |
| 02:38.09 | p3lim | actually, the draenor abilities are not using the extraactionbutton |
| 02:38.16 | p3lim | they have their own |
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| 03:46.09 | Semlar | kd3: talonpriest zorkra wasn't classified as a rare when i killed him earlier |
| 03:46.34 | Semlar | just a regular elite, quest objective and didn't drop anything |
| 03:47.01 | kd3 | then the tracking quest got reused for the burning front demons |
| 03:47.38 | Semlar | it was a rare at some point because wowhead has it marked as one and there's a comment about him dropping a blue |
| 03:51.35 | Semlar | i have locations for some of the level 100 frostfire vignettes http://pastebin.com/ajc4g375 |
| 03:51.52 | kd3 | thanks |
| 03:52.29 | Semlar | there are more of them but i didn't record them all |
| 03:52.58 | Semlar | mother of goren shares a spawn point with the lava guzzler or something |
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| 04:25.55 | karl_w_w | my phone gets very irritating sometimes |
| 04:26.24 | karl_w_w | it seems way too keen to change orientation when I don't want it to, and very reluctant when I do |
| 04:40.43 | kullervo | karl_w_w: start using the orientation lock |
| 04:42.57 | nevcairiel | I need a phone that does a face check and notices when I'm on my side (ie. In the bed) and rotates appropriately |
| 04:43.58 | Thunder_Child | How exactly would it know you were on your side? |
| 04:44.08 | Thunder_Child | from a picture of your face |
| 04:45.34 | karl_w_w | using the orientation lock just means I need to intervene every single time instead of just sometimes |
| 04:46.46 | karl_w_w | it wouldnt need to know you're on your side, it would just orient depending on which way your face is pointing instead of depending on gravity... or however it does it currently |
| 04:46.51 | Neffi | encoding SD anime from DVD (not BD), what's the sweet spot for x264 settings? there's like a million sources of conflicting info on what I should pass to x264.exe |
| 04:47.19 | karl_w_w | Neffi, the sweet spot is downloading a BD rip |
| 04:47.30 | Neffi | karl_w_w: but BD rips don't exist of this show |
| 04:47.36 | karl_w_w | ah |
| 04:48.18 | Neffi | also all the guides that give the details on the switches either say "warning: extremely outdated" or "you should probably ignore all this and just use ..." |
| 04:50.54 | Neffi | in fact no decent rips of this show exist, which is why I'm snagging the DVDs and ripping myself |
| 04:52.20 | karl_w_w | i remember seeing handbrake settings for anime |
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| 04:54.04 | tz | looks like the DDoS is back |
| 04:54.07 | tz | ho hum |
| 04:54.24 | karl_w_w | ah it is in fact a preset in handbrake |
| 04:57.30 | Neffi | amid all the conflicting info, it seems setting `tune` to "animation", preset to one of the slower ones, and setting a reasonable CRF, should be enough, no? |
| 04:57.56 | nevcairiel | Neffi: trust in the x264 presets. If you have time and want quality, use preset veryslow, and whatever bitrate you want (or CRF if you prefer 1-pass) and go |
| 04:58.20 | nevcairiel | A tune may help slightly, sure |
| 04:58.52 | Semlar | don't do it neffi |
| 04:58.54 | Neffi | I don't know if I prefer 1-pass. I don't know what the tradeoff is. I dont care about encoding time and the target is computer playback. I'm gonna be running the encodes overnight, so they can take hours for all I care |
| 04:59.24 | Neffi | Semlar: but it's a good show :) |
| 04:59.42 | nevcairiel | 2-pass gives you perfect control of the output size, while crf is always a guessing game on the final size |
| 05:00.06 | nevcairiel | Assuming same final size, quality is otherwise the same |
| 05:00.33 | Neffi | ah, I'll just go with crf then. File size isn't that important, but it is favorable |
| 05:00.54 | Neffi | thanks, nev! |
| 05:01.50 | Semlar | i do single pass abr 8-12000 kbits/s when i'm encoding my vidyas |
| 05:02.10 | Neffi | need high quality death shots of you |
| 05:02.11 | Semlar | and then youtube rapes whatever encoding method i use anyway |
| 05:03.19 | Semlar | it still takes me like an hour to upload a 10 minute clip |
| 05:03.25 | nevcairiel | 1-pass encodes with a bitrate target are horrible quality though, unless you just use way too much bitrate in the first place |
| 05:03.50 | Semlar | multipass is just a waste of time |
| 05:03.58 | Semlar | unless you're going for a target file size |
| 05:04.05 | nevcairiel | Use crf then |
| 05:04.30 | nevcairiel | It allows the bitrate to fluctuate if it needs more to encode a particular complex scene |
| 05:04.57 | nevcairiel | With the downside that you cannot predict the final size accurately |
| 05:05.40 | Semlar | anyway, they aren't horrible quality, they're almost indistinguishable from the raw |
| 05:06.16 | Dagmar | CRF is what everyone *should* be using at this point |
| 05:06.30 | nevcairiel | Then you just used too many bits, or you don't have high motion/high complexity parts where the requirement sky rockets |
| 05:06.51 | Semlar | boss fights are full of particle effects |
| 05:07.47 | nevcairiel | Well 12mbit for 1080p is quite a lot anyway |
| 05:08.06 | Dagmar | Acutally, I was digging stuff up on this just last night |
| 05:08.37 | nevcairiel | It may save you upload time if you let the encoder decide how much to use with crf though |
| 05:08.42 | nevcairiel | But shrug |
| 05:08.53 | Dagmar | YouTube actually gives target specs people should use for encoding targets |
| 05:08.58 | Semlar | it's been a while since i messed with my encoder settings, i tuned it for uploading to youtube |
| 05:09.40 | Dagmar | I even stumbled across a couple of directives for locking the max bitrate to something that a Chromecast will be able to play |
| 05:09.47 | Semlar | mostly what i was going for was a relatively small file size without any quality loss after youtube got through with it |
| 05:10.09 | Neffi | " without any quality loss after youtube got through with it" stop smoking crack, Semlar |
| 05:10.10 | Dagmar | So... crf=22 or 23 will get you damn near to raw quality for 1080 |
| 05:10.28 | Semlar | what i mean is, it doesn't matter if i increase the quality of the video on my end, it won't look any better after youtube gets through with it |
| 05:10.41 | nevcairiel | crf value is independent of resolution |
| 05:10.42 | Neffi | ah, h'ok |
| 05:10.43 | Semlar | so there's no point in increasing the file size |
| 05:11.01 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Just trying to highlight that ther'es little point in going higher |
| 05:11.28 | Dagmar | I'm _slowly_ reencoding my local media so that i can be sure it'll play on the Chromecast, which happens to also coincide with how youTube likes things |
| 05:11.30 | nevcairiel | Depends on the source quality too |
| 05:12.08 | nevcairiel | Hit a rather grainy movie and all kind of weird stuff happens |
| 05:12.16 | Semlar | it's sad because i'm pretty sure my video is smaller and better quality before youtube transcodes it |
| 05:12.18 | Dagmar | considering how much Doctor Who I recorded this weekend, I'll maybe be done re-encoding in time for the Christmas special |
| 05:12.40 | Dagmar | Semlar: Are you not using h.264 high profile 4.2? |
| 05:13.04 | Dagmar | Going from one format to another is definitely a contibutor to fidelity loss |
| 05:13.21 | nevcairiel | Hm, shouldn't the chrome cast be able to play Blu-ray quality video? What was it before your reencode that it didn't play? |
| 05:14.27 | Dagmar | I've got videos from the last fifteen years in various flavor-of-the-month formats and all their cooked variations |
| 05:14.30 | nevcairiel | I mean, Blu-ray is just H.264 High at L4.1 |
| 05:14.36 | Dagmar | There's LOTS of stuff it wouldn't play ehhe |
| 05:14.44 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/sRue5v9.gif |
| 05:15.10 | Dagmar | ...and if you don't use CRF it's pretty easy to exceed the maximum bitrate it'll tolerate |
| 05:15.32 | Dagmar | ...just like trying to play back h.284 1080 on a 1.6Ghz box via CPU is dodgy when the bit-rate gets too high |
| 05:15.46 | nevcairiel | Well if you don't use constant quality mode, all other modes give you perfect bitrate control |
| 05:16.04 | Dagmar | ...except the variable bitrate methods |
| 05:16.21 | nevcairiel | There is only so many modes |
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| 05:16.29 | nevcairiel | Crf is kinda variable bitrate |
| 05:16.31 | Dagmar | Those can spin up pretty high in motion-intensive scenes, which leads to a lot of choppy and stuttering bullshit. :/ |
| 05:16.54 | nevcairiel | 2pass ABR is fixed bitrate, as is 1pass ABR |
| 05:17.13 | nevcairiel | Then only constant quality remains, and no one really uses that |
| 05:17.13 | Dagmar | ...and those are where you get ugly blocks and stuff in motion-intensive scenes. |
| 05:17.17 | Dagmar | CRF is really the way to go |
| 05:17.32 | nevcairiel | 2pass ABR is the same quality as CRF |
| 05:17.37 | Dagmar | It's like applying the quality setting for JPG to video |
| 05:17.40 | nevcairiel | It uses the same logic really |
| 05:17.44 | Semlar | unless you're uploading to youtube, which is going to blockify your motion-intensive scenes anyway |
| 05:18.09 | Dagmar | It's a good thing I'm mainly worrying about pushing up videos of nerds doing presentations at a conference, then |
| 05:18.19 | Dagmar | Not a lot of high-motion going on there |
| 05:18.22 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 05:19.48 | Dagmar | It definitely irks me that the latest MythBuntu build has essentially broken streaming playback, again |
| 05:20.17 | Dagmar | I wrote them like 300 lines of code that handles that properly a couple years ago, and the patch was apparently ignored. |
| 05:20.24 | Dagmar | *someone* had a problem with verbose error messages, I suspect |
| 05:20.45 | Dagmar | HTTP streaming is stupidly easier if you just let bloody Apache do it with local file access. |
| 05:21.02 | Dagmar | It's just a bunch of damn Range-Request GETs |
| 05:21.22 | Dagmar | ...and I've never seen anything grab more than 12 chunks at a time... and that was a freaking PDF with chapters |
| 05:22.07 | Dagmar | I'm hoping this time around to see about encoding multiple bitrate streams into a single container, considering that the size doesn't go up an incredible amount |
| 05:22.26 | Dagmar | Just gotta find a free player that's bright enough to try switching |
| 05:23.00 | Dagmar | ...oh and rebuilt the entire goddamn myth box on Slackware because of the craptacular behaviour of this myth build for reasons I'm not wasting time tracking down. |
| 05:23.11 | Dagmar | MythWeb shouldn't make ssh sessions stall. :/ |
| 05:23.44 | nevcairiel | In a single container is probably not going to work well with any player, as they will stream the entire container and not save any bandwidth at all |
| 05:23.56 | Dagmar | Hence why I'm looking for a *smart* lpayer |
| 05:24.05 | Dagmar | Even the stupid ones don't get the entire file |
| 05:24.07 | nevcairiel | Good luck with that |
| 05:24.13 | Dagmar | They only grab the parts they're playing and the parts they're aobut to play |
| 05:24.33 | Dagmar | I may just see what it takes to temporarily *borrow* one from a porn site |
| 05:24.57 | nevcairiel | They probably use independent streams, not the same one |
| 05:25.15 | nevcairiel | Just like YouTube |
| 05:25.17 | Dagmar | Yeah the three I've done this with so far are doing just that, but there's four more I haven't lifted the hood on yet |
| 05:25.55 | Dagmar | I just need to find one, because I'm content to simply be sure my backend encoding is going to work and let the player technology catch upt later |
| 05:27.25 | nevcairiel | Honestly for a http client its just much more ideal to stream one file slowly from start to back instead of having to send a new GET request for every single video frame |
| 05:28.01 | Dagmar | They don't. They request fairly large blocks. |
| 05:28.14 | jnwhiteh | Hrm, the GitHub API appears to have changed a bit |
| 05:28.16 | Dagmar | I had a *serious* concern about how quickly my seek()s were going to happen |
| 05:28.39 | nevcairiel | But if you interleave different bitrate streams, they would need to skip the other ones or its all wasted |
| 05:29.10 | Dagmar | Yeah but they surely don't encode them frame by frame interleaved between versions |
| 05:29.19 | nevcairiel | They do |
| 05:29.25 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure that would be insane and no one would do it |
| 05:29.33 | nevcairiel | Interleaving is based on time |
| 05:29.41 | Dagmar | Yes but individual frames? |
| 05:29.45 | nevcairiel | Sure |
| 05:29.51 | Dagmar | I'm figuring something on the order of .75-3s blocks of times |
| 05:30.28 | nevcairiel | Nah, most containers even have constraints to keep things very tight |
| 05:31.01 | nevcairiel | If you go to the simple case of audio and video, they'll appear extremely close to each other |
| 05:31.04 | Dagmar | If theres three streams in a container and they're literally 123123123 frame by frame then I'm probably just going to abandon that until some sense prevails |
| 05:31.53 | nevcairiel | Since audio and video typically have different frame durations, its not as strict, but still |
| 05:32.28 | Dagmar | Fuck worrying about multiple audio streams for varying bitrates |
| 05:32.39 | Dagmar | The audio tends to be a drop in the bloody bucket |
| 05:33.06 | Dagmar | 5.1 at low bitrates would probably sound like abunch of daleks farting anyway |
| 05:37.43 | Dagmar | I thought the heat factor might be a bigger problem, but it turns out that if you just stick a few more fans inside to pull air straight across the video cards, it doesn't become a problem |
| 05:38.06 | Dagmar | I've got an nVidia 5200 and an 8500 in the same box, with a PVR-500 wedged in between them. |
| 05:38.45 | Dagmar | The 5200 feeds into the second input of the HD-PVR, because on that display I can very, very trivially ad overlays like logos and chyrons in a stupidly easy way |
| 05:39.44 | Dagmar | Frankly I expected I was just going to lose one or more cards during the first three hour "feasibility" test |
| 05:41.39 | Dagmar | Gonna go by Shifty-Mart tomorrow to pick up a pair of Cyber-Shot cameras so I'll have some video sources that were made this decade |
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| 06:08.29 | Kalroth | http://i.imgur.com/thO0kf0.jpg such snuggle, much kitten |
| 06:09.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/iXbjkyH.gif |
| 06:12.18 | Kalroth | dont whack kitty! |
| 06:21.25 | Gethe | it seems blizz has a global "stringHeight" var in the objective tracker |
| 06:23.16 | Semlar | yep |
| 06:25.16 | Semlar | except ObjectiveTracker doesn't appear to exist on live |
| 06:25.48 | Gethe | renamed from WatchFrame |
| 06:26.01 | Semlar | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/live/AddOns it's not here |
| 06:26.45 | Gethe | it wasnt an addon on live |
| 06:26.57 | Semlar | yes it was, it's on wowprogramming |
| 06:27.27 | Semlar | i can't find this block of code on live |
| 06:27.39 | Semlar | stringHeight is here http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/test/AddOns/Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker/Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker.lua |
| 06:27.56 | Gethe | its on beta |
| 06:28.12 | Semlar | oh it's new? |
| 06:28.44 | Gethe | replaceing the WatchFrame |
| 06:28.49 | Semlar | well that's not particularly surprising that it's leaking globals |
| 06:31.15 | Gethe | and that wow programming link has live and test mixed |
| 06:31.46 | Semlar | i'm a little curious about them setting the font string height to 0, then setting the text, then getting the string height |
| 06:33.20 | Neffi | "-- speed optimizations" ok blizzard |
| 06:33.20 | Gethe | probably for the quest item button |
| 06:33.38 | Gethe | inline |
| 06:33.56 | Semlar | i'm almost positive GetHeight on a string does not change based on the text |
| 06:34.21 | nevcairiel | There is a function that gives you the actual text height |
| 06:34.29 | Semlar | yeah, there's a GetStringHeight method for fontstrings |
| 06:35.05 | Semlar | and i'm not sure if that changes based on the text of the string or just if the text is being wrapped |
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| 06:36.12 | nevcairiel | My guess is that it bases this on font size, and wouldn't change depending on the actual text content (ie. all aaaa wouldn't be lower than all AAA) |
| 06:36.53 | Semlar | you would think it would be based on the font size |
| 06:37.00 | Semlar | but now i don't know |
| 06:37.19 | nevcairiel | It seems to work even with varying fobtsy |
| 06:37.22 | nevcairiel | Fonts |
| 06:37.30 | nevcairiel | Easy enough to test |
| 06:39.45 | Semlar | yeah but that would require logging in |
| 06:39.51 | Semlar | that sounds like a lot of effort |
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| 10:24.28 | karl_w_w | today from the 'things I forgot' catalogue: samuel l jackson was in jurassic park |
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| 10:34.47 | karl_w_w | do people really pronounce imgur "imager"? |
| 10:36.02 | nevcairiel | i dont |
| 10:36.11 | nevcairiel | i say image-ur |
| 10:36.21 | nevcairiel | well to be honest, i dont think i ever said it |
| 10:36.23 | nevcairiel | i think image-ur! |
| 10:37.36 | zenzelezz | I pronounce it as if it was a Norwegian word; which is not very similar to what I imagine it is meant to be |
| 10:41.14 | Workfoz | imager is the intended pronounciation, tho |
| 10:45.10 | zenzelezz | pfft |
| 10:45.18 | zenzelezz | next you'll try to convince us it was I-seek-you too |
| 10:57.06 | karl_w_w | there's a lot of names like that Workfoz, which are spelt nothing like they intend it to be pronounced :P |
| 10:57.38 | karl_w_w | i just wish i could think of an example |
| 10:58.09 | karl_w_w | other than "Fasta Pasta" |
| 10:59.29 | Workfoz | Fisker is pronounced "le troll", too |
| 10:59.46 | zenzelezz | depending on which variant of English you speak, "colonel" and "lieutenant" |
| 10:59.48 | Fisker | :( |
| 10:59.49 | Fisker | No |
| 11:00.29 | karl_w_w | i only know of 1 pronunciation of colonel |
| 11:01.03 | zenzelezz | IIRC, English people pronounce it the way it's spelled, while Americans pronounce it something like "kurrnel" |
| 11:01.29 | zenzelezz | while English people seem to pronounce "lieutenant" as "leftenant" |
| 11:02.08 | karl_w_w | colonel is only kernel |
| 11:03.14 | zenzelezz | I've at least heard otherwise in WW2 movies, but I accept those might not always be representative |
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| 12:36.22 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy_ |
| 12:36.35 | Kalroth | :O |
| 12:36.37 | Lopeppeppy_ | Good morning, dahling. |
| 12:38.50 | Fisker | I don't know what it means but I'll take it |
| 12:40.28 | Fisker | Especially when Workfoz is mean |
| 12:40.31 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy_, How Do Some People Write Like This All The Time, Don't They Find It Very Time Consuming? I Have Trouble Even Doing It 'Correctly'! |
| 12:40.44 | Kalroth | slaps karl_w_w around a lot with a bagged Fisker |
| 12:40.53 | nevcairiel | i find it very annoying |
| 12:41.07 | karl_w_w | Sorry Kalroth, I Didn't Mean To Upset You |
| 12:41.10 | Lopeppeppy_ | I Don't no, Karl, its confusing 2 me. |
| 12:41.17 | nevcairiel | somehow i pronounce those lines funny in my head when i read it |
| 12:41.27 | karl_w_w | yeah I do too |
| 12:41.46 | karl_w_w | Like I'm reading it in the cliched william shatner style |
| 12:49.50 | Fisker | So why did you forsake us Lopeppeppy_ ? |
| 12:50.26 | Lopeppeppy_ | Too busy to divide my concentration, Fisker. Students are due back tomorrow, OMG panic at everything we don't have done yet!!! |
| 12:50.35 | Fisker | Ah |
| 12:50.50 | Fisker | Dumb students ruining everything |
| 12:51.08 | Kalroth | can't you just fire them |
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| 12:59.53 | Kalroth | http://www.androidcentral.com/sharp-aquos-crystal-stunning-and-us-bound thats a pretty phone, but i bet it'll be pricey and buggy |
| 13:11.52 | Lopeppeppy_ | I can shove them in the pond with cement shoes, that's about it. |
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| 13:16.19 | karl_w_w | don't know why it would be buggy Kalroth |
| 13:16.48 | karl_w_w | it's just a slightly differently designed phone to all those that have come before |
| 13:17.12 | Fisker | That sounds actually effective Lopeppeppy_ |
| 13:17.25 | Lopeppeppy_ | Water is a nice poison. |
| 13:19.08 | zenzelezz | needs a pretty high dosage before it becomes effective though |
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| 13:23.41 | Lopeppeppy_ | Not true. A couple of tablespoons would suffice under the right circumstances. |
| 13:24.00 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: it's sharp hardware |
| 13:24.08 | Kalroth | hence buggy |
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| 13:30.18 | Fisker | Do we want to know what circumstances Lopeppeppy_ ? |
| 13:35.11 | Lopeppeppy_ | It's not like your lungs can hold that much water and survive, Fisker. You can drown on dry land from just a little bit of water getting into your lungs and then collapsing them. |
| 13:35.32 | Fisker | Oh sure |
| 13:36.52 | Fisker | I thought maybe you had like some experience |
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| 14:11.36 | karl_w_w | so godzilla is actually a decent movie |
| 14:12.18 | karl_w_w | which nobody could have said between 1998 and 2014 |
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| 16:10.11 | nevcairiel | The previous one wasnt that terrible |
| 16:24.14 | TC-Work | I already do like 90% of this. http://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Full-Fledged-Curmudgeon |
| 16:37.10 | karl_w_w | I've got all of them down except not liking new things |
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| 17:30.49 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/gotta-beat-em-all-nintendo-announces-tekken-esque-pokemon-brawler/ |
| 17:31.00 | Neffi | hell yes |
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| 17:57.28 | Semlar | does CRITERIA_UPDATE really need to fire like ten times a frame |
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| 18:30.00 | karl_w_w | yes Semlar, that's how it's programmed |
| 18:30.11 | Semlar | o |
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| 18:54.55 | Cairenn | Shirik: awww |
| 19:12.01 | Neffi | "Even if you are at 1 skill, all of these Draenor recipes can be crafted, and give hefty skillups." making sure I'm reading this new profession info correctly. Basically, it would be a waste of gold to level my new rogue's engineering to 600 before WoD, right? |
| 19:13.56 | smcn | unless you wanted to |
| 19:14.33 | TC-Work | Or had too much gold. |
| 19:15.12 | Maldivia | Neffi: also, a lot if booster items drop, that gives skillups + garison mats |
| 19:15.20 | Maldivia | (but only up till 600) |
| 19:23.44 | smcn | the drop rate is ridic in frostfire when i levelled up after the last beta wipe |
| 19:30.32 | Fisker | Reached murdering spree levels yet Lopeppeppy_ ? |
| 19:30.47 | Lopeppeppy_ | No, they're leaving me right alone today, very joyful. |
| 19:31.32 | Fisker | oh nice |
| 19:31.59 | kd3 | time to be proactive and go on a preemptive murderous rampage? |
| 19:32.16 | Unkle | A murderous Peppy is a happy Peppy? |
| 19:33.28 | Fisker | Who wouldn't be? |
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| 19:34.07 | Fisker | Violence makes happy |
| 19:34.57 | TC-Work | Not to the people on the receiving end |
| 19:35.03 | TC-Work | with few exceptions |
| 19:35.24 | Fisker | Only few? |
| 19:37.13 | TC-Work | Yes. |
| 19:39.44 | Lopeppeppy_ | Death is only the beginning of the fun, Unkle. |
| 19:40.52 | Fisker | That sounds familiar Lopeppeppy_ |
| 19:44.20 | Lopeppeppy_ | It's often quoted, Fisker, and especially by me. |
| 19:45.19 | Lopeppeppy_ | That version comes from the Brendan Fraser mummy movies, but there's a renaissance version of it too. |
| 19:46.33 | Fisker | Oh |
| 19:58.20 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: thanks! \o/ |
| 19:58.26 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:02.45 | Neffi | Ah, cool. Thanks for the info guys |
| 20:03.14 | Neffi | Just rolled on a new server so my gold supply is pretty abysmal. Not trying to spend upwards of 10k leveling engineering |
| 20:03.30 | Dagmar | No deathknight sugar daddy? |
| 20:05.43 | TC-Work | Uh, ew. |
| 20:11.09 | smcn | so this is a weird question, does anyone who watched the soul eater anime know off the top of their head which episode maka asked soul what souls taste like? |
| 20:12.01 | TC-Work | Yes that is a weird question. And that reminds me I should watch it again...sans the ending. |
| 20:14.26 | Shirik | http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/26/fight-over-leg-room-gadget-forces-united-flight-land |
| 20:16.15 | Fisker | What does your fax say Lopeppeppy_ ? |
| 20:18.42 | TC-Work | Shirik: Besides the fact that this is fox news, the last paragraph is very suspicious. |
| 20:18.57 | Lopeppeppy_ | Mostly that screamy fax noise you get when you dial one accidentally. |
| 20:19.59 | Fisker | It's almost bedtime :< |
| 20:20.27 | smcn | season 1 episode 7 ~8:20 in case anyone else wanted the answer to my question |
| 20:22.26 | Neffi | Does the Rut'theran<->Exodar boat still function? |
| 20:22.35 | Neffi | I swear I've been waiting 15 minutes for this thing to sail |
| 20:25.37 | Neffi | oh, you can fly there now. ok |
| 20:25.53 | Semlar | gently soothes neffi |
| 20:26.11 | Neffi | pops his trinket and mangles Semlar |
| 20:26.29 | Semlar | bleeds to death |
| 20:29.26 | Neffi | where do you buy the gilneas mounts? |
| 20:29.31 | Neffi | doesn't even know what they're called |
| 20:29.45 | Semlar | the night elf world tree place |
| 20:29.48 | Semlar | darnassus |
| 20:29.53 | Semlar | wild horsies |
| 20:29.55 | Neffi | you serious? i just ported out of there |
| 20:30.02 | Semlar | i don't know, i don't play alliance |
| 20:30.04 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Horse_mounts#Gilneas_Mountain_Horses |
| 20:30.13 | Neffi | thanks kd3 |
| 20:31.29 | Neffi | with account-wide mounts, if I buy all the alliance mounts, will I also have all the horde mounts? |
| 20:31.54 | Semlar | no |
| 20:32.55 | Semlar | as far as i know faction mounts don't morph into their counterparts |
| 20:33.25 | kd3 | not to my knowledge. they used to, before they were account-wide, but that was a long time ago |
| 20:33.52 | Semlar | i'm basing this on the fact that i have alliance mounts in my mount journal on my horde character on the beta |
| 20:36.15 | Semlar | i don't even know if every faction mount has something that can be considered its counterpart |
| 20:49.30 | Fisker | Night |
| 20:52.36 | Semlar | kd3: before i looted viperlash there was an interactive spear stuck in him, i don't know if it does anything because it disappeared when i looted him |
| 20:56.21 | kd3 | I saw that mentioned in a report. I'll have to try again on a character that hasn't killed him yet |
| 20:56.45 | kd3 | (I've killed it repeatedly, but haven't been able to loot the spear post initial kill) |
| 20:57.29 | Semlar | it was called Bonechewer Spear |
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| 20:57.58 | Semlar | http://beta.wowhead.com/spell=156490 |
| 21:13.57 | Jamash | 2.1.0 wooo |
| 21:15.14 | Semlar | kd3: viperlash also wasn't classified as a rare, even though it had a vignette |
| 21:16.04 | kd3 | the level designers have been quite inconsistent on that count. there's a good number of vignette-ed mobs that aren't actually rare |
| 21:16.21 | Semlar | it still had blue loot and completed the loot quest |
| 21:16.40 | kd3 | yah. they just forgot to toggle the rare flag on the mob |
| 21:17.21 | kd3 | I'm being pragmatic in the addon, duck-testing the mobs. if they act like a rare and drop one item like a rare, then it's a rare |
| 21:18.46 | Semlar | i'm working on a script that will actually spit out the npcID or objectID of something looted within a second or two of a quest being completed |
| 21:19.41 | Semlar | you CAN get the object ID of the chest if you're looting something from them |
| 21:20.00 | kd3 | ! |
| 21:20.07 | Semlar | it shows up in the GUID from GetLootSourceInfo |
| 21:21.10 | Semlar | in my somewhat limited testing, the quest is marked as completed 0.5-1 second after LOOT_READY fires but i don't know how consistent it is yet |
| 21:21.34 | Semlar | some of them might not complete until after you actually loot an item |
| 21:22.19 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure some of the chests don't complete their quest until after you loot them, even though the chest disappears as soon as you open it |
| 21:25.02 | Semlar | also pretty much none of the objects are on wowhead yet |
| 21:25.32 | kd3 | from my hazy memories of previous expansions, objects are one of the last things they get posted |
| 21:40.00 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/krodFHs.png anyone? |
| 21:40.10 | znf | $10 is enough for 2 months of their cheapest VPS |
| 21:41.21 | Semlar | kd3: have you seen any tracking quests that have anything other than the name of the quest filled in on the tooltip |
| 21:43.56 | Neffi | znf: but you can get a ramnode for $15/yr ;) |
| 21:44.13 | kd3 | you mean like http://wod.wowhead.com/quest=33931 for deceptia's smoldering boots? |
| 21:44.17 | Neffi | of course that's 128 MB RAM, 500 GB bandwidth, 12 GB storage |
| 21:45.01 | Semlar | kd3: i just wanted to know if i could filter out anything with a description as not a tracking quest but i guess not |
| 21:45.05 | Neffi | or 80 GB storage for a little less IO performance |
| 21:45.11 | znf | Neffi, what the hell could you run on 128MB ram? :P |
| 21:45.22 | znf | an IRC bouncer? |
| 21:46.02 | znf | my IRC Bot uses more than that |
| 21:46.05 | Neffi | IRC stuff like bots and bouncer, a proxy, a web server that's doesn't need an assload of RAM, a mail server |
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| 21:46.20 | fewyn | i use www.linode.com |
| 21:46.26 | fewyn | i like them |
| 21:46.28 | Neffi | seems like everyone uses linode |
| 21:46.33 | Neffi | I hear they're good |
| 21:46.35 | znf | yeah, I use linode, too |
| 21:46.46 | znf | Neffi, my last uptime record was ~1200 days |
| 21:46.51 | znf | with linode |
| 21:46.57 | TC-Work | I also have linode |
| 21:47.08 | Neffi | If you go small like an Alpine Linux base, your own web server on top of nginx, you should be able to manage a little dev blog or something in 128 MB RAM with some to spare |
| 21:47.13 | fewyn | i have a 3gb instance with them which they don't sell anymore |
| 21:47.24 | znf | I hd the 512MB one |
| 21:47.28 | znf | which they upgraded to 1GB |
| 21:47.30 | znf | then 2gb |
| 21:47.51 | Semlar | kd3: i've had the loot window randomly close for no reason without looting anything, rendering the quest impossible to complete since the chest is gone |
| 21:48.02 | znf | the only reason I lost the uptime is because they actually shut-down the physical hardware that was hosting my VM... |
| 21:48.14 | Semlar | so i guess the lesson is autoloot everything |
| 21:48.15 | Neffi | had to migrate? |
| 21:48.19 | fewyn | also i don't think i'm on an SSD |
| 21:48.34 | znf | Neffi, yup, to their new platform |
| 21:48.38 | Gnarfoz | "VM" - do they have actual VMs? or is it paravirt or container stuff |
| 21:48.41 | znf | with ssd and newer CPs |
| 21:48.48 | Neffi | still, that's respectable uptime |
| 21:48.58 | znf | yup |
| 21:49.01 | znf | once you go linode, you never go back |
| 21:49.04 | Gnarfoz | it's silly uptime, unless you're paying for Ksplice |
| 21:49.17 | znf | unless you can't code a DB properly like TUJ! :D |
| 21:49.27 | Gnarfoz | that, too ;p |
| 21:49.39 | fewyn | erorus is in the process of writing tuj |
| 21:49.51 | fewyn | rewriting* |
| 21:50.04 | Gnarfoz | he's replacing the shitty php with less-shitty php |
| 21:50.05 | znf | yeah, which could take a while |
| 21:50.20 | fewyn | last update indicated it was on track |
| 21:50.22 | fewyn | before warlords |
| 21:50.23 | Gnarfoz | doubt he'll have learned db design in the mean time :D |
| 21:50.33 | Semlar | kd3: can you loot anything less than blue quality from a vignette that's worth tracking? |
| 21:50.36 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: "ksplice" <- I like that their site has a picture of the Windows Update restart alert |
| 21:51.00 | Gnarfoz | they do? appropriate I guess. Oracle humour. |
| 21:51.29 | kd3 | there are a few chests with nothing but garrison resources or gold, or occasionally a poor-quality item. for instance, http://wowpedia.org/Mikkal%27s_Chest |
| 21:51.36 | Neffi | yeah, among what looks to be a GTK restart dialog, and an OS X restart dialog barely visible behind that |
| 21:52.12 | fewyn | he might have after working on wowhwead for awhile Gnarfoz! |
| 21:52.28 | Gnarfoz | doesn't sound like it from his "I give up" blog post |
| 21:52.32 | Gnarfoz | which is pretty recent |
| 21:53.17 | Gnarfoz | I haven't tried, but I doubt it's impossible to make db that DOESN'T require 80k write IOPS around the clock for this |
| 21:53.21 | Gnarfoz | +a |
| 21:53.52 | fewyn | you have to remember he was working with a huge data set *shrug* but then again i don't know anything about databases |
| 21:53.53 | Semlar | kd3: anything of lesser quality that you would consider an addon should mention as possible loot |
| 21:54.04 | Gnarfoz | huge? his dataset is laughably small |
| 21:54.10 | fewyn | what 400 realms or something? then uh |
| 21:54.13 | Gnarfoz | it's in the hundreds of gigabytes |
| 21:54.16 | fewyn | alliance horde versions |
| 21:54.34 | fewyn | it'll be simpler in 6.0 tho |
| 21:54.38 | fewyn | since they are merging the ahs |
| 21:54.53 | Semlar | kd3: i guess it's subjective, i can't decide whether to bother tracking anything that isn't blue |
| 21:54.54 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I have no idea how he ended up with that crazy I/o requirement \o/ I don't use his site anyway, so I'll just see what comes of the rewrite :) |
| 21:55.00 | kd3 | just items that vend for a decent chunk of gold. I'm going to leave mikkal's chest as the one useless item |
| 21:56.30 | Semlar | for the sake of completeness i guess i'll save all of the loot to a table and sort through it later |
| 21:59.15 | Semlar | right now my addon is calling GetQuestsCompleted() every single time CRITERIA_UPDATE fires, which is constantly |
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| 23:05.22 | TC-Work | No no, that sounds correct. |
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| 23:15.18 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_Gentium? |
| 23:18.44 | TC-Work | "by a vote of 2,151 to 5" that's one hell of a difference. |
| 23:19.19 | foxlit | just doesn't seem to be a particularly recognizable idiom in english. |
| 23:20.00 | TC-Work | Because it is not? |
| 23:20.43 | foxlit | Literal parse is not much better, unless this is about trogladytes. |
| 23:25.03 | foxlit | Does it actually have a specific intended meaning, or can you just substitute whatever? |
| 23:26.53 | TC-Work | Literal would be Light Nation |
| 23:27.19 | TC-Work | Nations actually |
| 23:30.12 | foxlit | but it's the english phrase that I can't resolve -- does it actually map to Lumen Gentium? |
| 23:31.08 | foxlit | it would kind of fit if you squint hard enough, but it's not like it's the first thing that comes to mind. |
| 23:31.41 | TC-Work | foxlit: Light Nations -> Light of the Nations. Yes in that Latin is somewhat ambiguous when it comes to translating to English due to English stealing words from everyone else. |
| 23:32.54 | TC-Work | Unless you are refering to your initial comment of 'Light of Humanity' but I have no idea where that came from. |
| 23:32.58 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.37 | TC-Work | Which came from where? It's not on the wiki page. |
| 23:33.37 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.27 | TC-Work | Well translating it back and forth turns into 'Light of the country' so I am still not sure how that came about. |
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